April 2, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Tudor and Calley Means discuss the ongoing reforms in the Health and Human Services sector under Secretary Kennedy. They explore the inefficiencies and corruption within the healthcare system, the impact of food and drug regulations on public health, and the urgent need for transparency in medical devices and pharmaceuticals. The conversation highlights the alarming rise in childhood chronic diseases and the cultural and corporate influences that shape health policy. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We have an exciting podcast for you today because we
have Calli Means with us. He is the co founder
of True Med and you've seen him both and he
and his sister both on the show before. But now
life is a little bit different for Calli because he
has a very important role as a senior advisor to
the new Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Callie, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's great to be her tutor.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Obviously, everybody is watching what's going on right now. We're
seeing some cuts at the Health Agency. You're certainly going
to see attacks from the left on that. But I
think that a lot of this is what people were
looking for on a certain side of the aisle.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
A man the right side of the aisle, for sure,
people are looking for this.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I think there are people that maybe on the left
side of the aisle are wondering exactly what that means.
But I think, you know, you guys have explained very
well that there is not only bloat, but also that
there has been a lot of stuff going on perhaps
in Health and Human Services that is not necessarily best
for our health.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Well, I think this shouldn't be a left right issue.
It should be readily apparent that the argument that the
left is now making that more spending and more staff
at HHS equals better health is just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We spend three to four.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Times more than European countries per capita on healthcare and
we're the sickest country in the developed world. We have
the most bloated bureaucratic healthcare system in the developed world
and where the worst. So what Bobby Kennedy with President
Trump are saying is that actually, more efficiency, more focus
on these health institutions doing their job is actually goes
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hand in hand with better health. And I think clearly
when Maha Moms came out and voted in the twenty
twenty four election, they were not voting for more government bureaucrats.
They were actually voting to remove a lot of these
leaders at our healthcare agencies.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That just factual.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We have overseen an explosion of croc disease if Secretary
Kennedy and President Trump weren't making moves and installing proactively
great new people like Marty McCarey at the FDA and
Jay Bardishari at NIH who took over, who will take
over this week?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know, then what did people vote for?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So I think everyone should be very encouraged by the
fact that we're making HHS more efficient and installing great
new people in there.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, and when you say great new people, I think
that's the part that we want to focus on because
we have had so many questions about what is actually
in our food, what's actually in our drugs, And that's
something that obviously the Maha moms were saying, gosh, we've
got all of this food die. We saw Vonnie Harry
come out to Michigan and talk about the food dies.
Now we're seeing kind of on a state level, people
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taking a different look at this.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think it's fascinating. I think I've shared with you
before that my own.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Niece has had a situation with food dye where it
caused her to have ticks. She doesn't have any food die,
but it's almost impossible. I mean, it is shockingly difficult
to eat without food dye if you get food at
the local grocery store. You've seen a strange partnership with
the legislatures and the state wide level.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think it was West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That just said they're cutting food dye, So what does
that look like moving forward?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So I think the framework for Secretary Kennedy is that
he's laid out the problem of the explosion of childhood
ARCT disease in the campaign and rallied a lot of
people to come to the trunk fold. And now it's
time to execute power. And he's showing the playbook that
he's going to use. And part of that is state
federal partnerships. I mean, this administration really believes in federalism,
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and I think one of the problems is you've had
these top down health mandates, top down food manates. I
think we remember Michelle Obama who was trying to impose
top down standards to school districts to not eat meat.
This is actually a much more bottoms up approach. And
where he started was that states oversea in many ways.
The food Stamp, the SNAP program, and that's the fourth
(04:03):
largest entitlement program. We've spend about one hundred and twenty
billion dollars to subsidize food a year for lower income folks.
The number one item on that program is soda, which
just is insane. I mean, before we get into any
divisive policy, we can all agree that we should not
be government subsidizing soda for lower income kids. Nobody's trying
to ban anything, but like these subsidies should be cut.
(04:25):
It's over ten billion dollars a year. The governors, it
turns out, can request waivers to adjust the snap ingredients,
and until the Trump administration, those waivers in requests have
been rejected by the federal government that's co opted by
big food money. So now that you have Secretary Kennedy
brook Rowlands in charge at the USDA, they've asked for
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these waivers and states have stepped up. West Virginia, as
you mentioned, the most obese state in the country. Over
eighty percent of the of the state is overweight or obese.
The governor was being besieged by soda lobbyists and he
said no to them, and he stood up issued this
waiver and it was amazing. This event had you know,
thousands of Maha moms and he's been getting national attention.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
He said, you know, I think what Secretary Kennedy has.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Is is the voters are really rewarding people that show courage,
and Secretary Kennedy is able to shine a light. So
the governors of Utah Arkansas of Louisiana and many other
states on the list have followed suit.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So it's a really.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Cool example, and we can, I think, follow this playbook
when it comes to things like school lunches and other
programs where there's a federal state partnership. That's a big
message for this administration. Every single governor should be calling
Secretary Kennedy and figuring out how to make America healthy.
And I can promise these governors you're going to be rewarded.
You're going to be invited to the White House with
(05:48):
President Trump and Secretary Kennedy, be celebrated as a courageous governor, and.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We're going to make sure that the.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Political benefit you receive will outweigh the anger that the
soda lobbyists have behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, I mean, but it goes beyond anger because this
is a lot of money, and that I think is
where people go, I don't understand how this happened. You know,
there's a massive amount of the public that says, how
could it be that the government that is an agency
that is supposed to protect our health could be bribed?
And that's something that we're going to be talking to
(06:22):
the author of No. More tears the dark Secrets of
Johnson and Johnson on Monday, and that's kind of when
you hear what he has to say, it's been kind
of shocking to see how much these corporations have bought government.
And they bought government essentially. And I mean that's essentially
what you were just saying talking about the governors being
brave and fighting against this. It's bravery because not only
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do these lobbyists exist, but they own certain essentially people
in the government.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, this is what I think so exciting about Secretary
Kennedy's tenure is that this corruption, I'm sure you've seen
a lot of it, and this influence, it's peddling, this
corporate capture, it's been able to hide behind closed doors.
You know, it's been able to hide in these secret
meetings where you know, truly for the past twenty thirty years,
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you've had time and time again, soda lobbyists able to
keep this ten billion dollar subsidy from the food stamp
program to coke. It actually makes no sense. And what's
happening now is there's a light being shined. I mean,
you have the American Heart Association, the American Heart Association
come into Texas with a lobbyist and argue for soda
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on snap And this has been actually happening for twenty years.
If you go to the American Heart Association's website, which
is a group that sets the standard of care for
cardiology in the country, they're top donors are all food companies,
millions of dollars. They're a paid lobbyist for food companies.
And I've seen this early in my career. They've gone
(07:53):
to state capitals for the past twenty years and argued
for terrible policies like this. But now they come they
make this argument. They don't realize it's twenty twenty five,
but President Trump's in charge, the Secretary kids.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
In charge, and that video got tens of millions of views. Immediately.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
You just had Andrew Huberman the Top Healthcare podcast are
talking about it. So the American Heart Association actually had
the reverse course. They said it was a mistake, but
it was not a mistake. They've been lobbying for food
companies for decades, but they're finally getting caught. So that's
an interesting dynamic. You know, when I was starting with
Bobby Kennedy and chatting with the truck folks about two
(08:31):
years ago and really wanting to get this issue more
front and center. A lot of lawmakers told me, we
care about this issue, but the phones aren't ringing off
the hook. This isn't a grassroots issue. This idea of
showed himself. We're getting a lot of calls.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Two years ago, there wasn't this. There was clearly this
frustration of moms.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
There was clearly this care about what's happening to chric
disease you've heard about on the podcast. People will grab it,
but it wasn't politically organized. There weren't phones ringing off
the hook. And a dynamic now is wherever Secretary to
Keaty talks about, there's focus on that area.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So moms on the local level are calling.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And there's when you have that right you see it, Tutor,
tell me if you don't see it in a different way.
I mean, when there's grassroots activity on the local level
behind an issue, it really it can defeat the big
money interests.
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many people came out here to go protest at Kellogg
and it is a big deal on those podcasts, like
you said, and I think that's something that the left
hadn't anticipated, and as we see them kind of melting down.
(10:45):
It's interesting because if you look at the breakdown of
talk online, the online podcasts that are right leaning have
about a half a billion followers. On the left leaning side,
it's one hundred million. You know, that's a massive differences,
and that's I think what we saw in the election.
But that's what we see with public health because people
are now saying, oh, my gosh, were we lied to?
(11:08):
And based on what I'm learning from you and from
Gardner Harris and from some other folks, is that, yeah,
we were actually lied to in like major ways.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We were lied to.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And I take this personally because it goes beyond just
the food that we're putting in our systems.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
It also goes to the drugs that we're putting in
our systems.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I think that's also something that Secretary Kennedy is
very concerned with, and the way these drugs were approved,
even though they have a lot of clinical trials that
are showing that they actually aren't doing what the people
what the organization and the corporation is saying that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It goes beyond that. I mean, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I look at what I read in this book, what
I've seen on podcasts, what you've said, and I think
to myself, how do they get it all done.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
One thing that shocked me when.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I had this conversation that will air on Monday was
medical devices have no tracking system. Medical devices that go
into your body have no tracking system. And it just
by chance came up because it was we were talking
about how Johnson and Johnson had put this MESSI into
women that was destroying their bodies. And I said, you know,
(12:17):
it's interesting because when I had when I had my
reconstructive surgery after breast cancer, they put these breasts I
plants in that they said that I then read were
causing cancer. And I called my doctor at Johns Hopkins.
He goes, oh, yeah, you should have those taken out.
And I said, but you know, now that I think
about it, no one called me. And he said, we
have no way of tracking in the United States, but
(12:38):
other countries do. We have no way of tracking. I
mean it's like if Kellogg's has to recall something, we
all get a notice. But if you have to recall
a hip replacement or a breast implant, or anything that
goes into a human body.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
This is all by design.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Would I always go to when we talk about dysfunctional
healthcare system is or people talk about how bad the
websites are to sign up, you know, all the different frustrating.
You know how non transparent payment is. A lot of
people talk, Oh, this could be so much better. It's
this is the largest industry in the country is healthcare.
Healthcare is the largest and fastest strong industry in the country.
It's the most employed industry in the country. It's something
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consistently is the same way. It's because the invisible hand
of the system wants it that way, and and the
system benefits from a completely obfiscated, non transparent system.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So I think that's why it's so important.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know what President Trump and Bobby Kennedy had talked about,
which is like the step one of mahas just giving
patients the truth. He Secretary Kennedy said. With the cuts,
literally departments at HHS, different agencies sell data to each other,
they protect their own data between different agencies. The degree
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of dysfunction of healthcare system is beyond human comprehension.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That is what's so shocking to me, because I'm reading
about this stuff and I think to myself, the only
place I've heard about this where a company can get
away with poisoning you or putting a defective device inside
of your body would be like China or Russia, where
there wouldn't be a massive news organization that comes out
and says no.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But the reason we also have pharmaceutical ads.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So the media is funded by the bad guy in
many cases. And I'm not saying that all pharmaceutical companies
are bad, because I don't believe that, but to be clear,
there are people, there are bad actors who get to
use their leverage, their funding, leverage over the media to
stop any bad press from coming out. So if there
is a product that is no good, if there is,
(14:46):
I mean, even when you go through the details of
the JAY and J vaccine.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
For COVID, there was so much hidden.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I want to mention there's a guy that is
making news today, Peter Stein. He's a top of fish
that was at the Food and Drug Administration.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He was let go.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
His job was to oversee the reviewers that evaluate the
new drugs and people. So this is news now, you know,
because people are like, oh my gosh, they got rid
of this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And here it's at the same time when next week.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This book is going to hit, people are going to
find out that there have been drugs.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That have been approved with no record of efficacy and
in fact the opposite.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
A record of death in the in the clinical trials.
And to me, in some of these cases, I'm like,
these people are getting pressed because they're being let go.
I'm wondering if they should be getting pressed because they
should be under investigation.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So this is breathless coverage right now of Peter Marx,
who's the FDA top science, the top scientists, the FDA
the top vaccine regulator.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
When you read the front.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Pages of every publication today, it's an attack on science.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's how can this possibly how can secretary?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Can they possibly treat the pharmaceutical industry this poorly? Now,
I totally agree with you. There's good people the pharmaceutical industry.
We should have a thriving pharmaceutical industry. What I try
to do is just step back to the just overarching
incentives of our healthcare system, which nobody can argue make
money when more people are sick. The pharmaceutical industry, the
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hospital industry, even the insurance industry.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
They make money when there's more sickness in America. That's
just a fact.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And that incentive has totally captured our institutions and.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Wars evident, no more, No, there was no clearer.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Evidence of that than this guy, Peter Marx. You know,
over his tenure as being the top science that day
since twenty twelve, he time and time and time again
overruled scientists of the FDA in favor of pharma. I mean,
one example is that in twenty twenty, the two top
vaccine scientists at the FDA, we're raising some concerns about
(17:06):
the Code vaccine, particularly around whether it should be mandated
to soldiers. He pushed those two vaccine scientists out and
said they were bringing transud it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
This guy has no background in vaccines.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
He has somebodies at a muscular dystrophy drug company which
the FDA Expert Advisory Panel said caused massive ToxS and
loads and liver issues.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He approved that.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Drug against advice, and now that drug has caused death
recently for a young person of liver failure and is
being recalled. There's many, many instances like this where he
did pharma's bid in for whatever reason, went against the
expert opinion and the drug ended up being recalled. And
there was another case with an Alzheimer's strug which caused damage.
So these are the type of people at the FDA,
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And for whatever reason, when we have the highest rates
of diabetes o VC, we're the top in the world
in cancer rates two hundred twelve countries, we are the
worst cancer it's in the world of any country. We're
basically towards the worst or worst and almost every currencies rate.
And then the media acts surprised and offended when we
change personnel. So this is what Secretary Kennedy really is
(18:12):
fighting against. And I think what the America people need
to understand when they see one of those articles.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
The reason there are pharmaceutical ads and basically when you're
watching cable news now, it's essentially a long pharmaceutical infomercial.
You basically have sky Rizzi commercials interspersed with the newscasters
talking about how great the latest farmer drug is.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So that's an effort to buy the news itself.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
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a situation where you can't actually tell the truth on
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It's been interesting to watch Secretary Kennedy because this isn't
a power struggle for him, This isn't a money grab.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
He has said four years, this is truly who he is.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I want to end childhood chronic disease, and I think
ending childhood chronic disease ultimately goes into adulthood too, because
those kids are.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Going to grow up. I mean, our generation.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Grew up on foods that were unhealthy, on medications that
were being given at a moment, too many medications. I mean,
we now have the most depressed society with the most
depressive depression medications. And what we were talking about, what
you'll hear us talking about on Monday, is that oftentimes,
once one of these drugs gets passed by the FDA,
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it's very hard to ever have it reviewed. Even if
there is information coming back saying this isn't effective, it
just stays as an approved drug. And then you've got
these drug salesmen from the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing it, pushing,
and keep pushing it and keep pushing it with the doctors.
So you have that, but you also have kids with
fatty livers. We've really never seen that before. I mean
(21:53):
that was my doctor was talking to me about the show.
Oh yeah, we've got these kids with fatty livers now.
And I will tell you just the striking difference when
I go. I went to a choir festival last week
and the kids came out, and the striking amount of
children who are in middle school who are really considerably
overweight and these are not. It's not like, you know,
(22:17):
all those kids parents just don't care. I don't believe
that for a second. I believe that it is very
It is a struggle to get foods that are healthy
for our kids right now, because I believe that the
reason we're seeing this is that the food is causing
this problem what our kids are ingesting.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But it's not just that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I will say, also, doctors want to put kids on
antidepressants immediately that cause them to gain weight?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
How can this also be? Why is there no oversight
over this?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So you're getting me very fired up here, and honestly,
like I get emotional thinking about this because because we're
working right now on a report the President Trump has
asked for in an executive order, which is to really
analyze what's causing this chronic disease crisis, analyze the trends
of child to chroract disease on analyze how the US
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compares to other countries. And we've solicited input from experts
around the country. And our initial notes, which is simply
bullet points of statistics, is fifteen hundred pages and I
just turned to a random page and it's shocking statistics
about child and a chronic disease. This report is going
to just shock the country, and it's just.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Shocking how we got here. And I think that's.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Why, you know, millions of moms and independents and young
people who would probably four years ago never considered voting
Trump came to Trump for the first time because Bobby
really awakened that issue.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
So the Trump administration is really going to lay out
this problem.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It's going to be the first government administration history to
really call this stuff out. Because actually, it's interesting seeing
these policy debates, there's really a lot of lobbying pressure
to not even release the truth. Like actually explicitly explicitly
what food companies and pharmer companies argue is it's not
(24:06):
even policy.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
They're literally like it's going to hurt us to release
that data.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So I think one thing Bobby, Secretary Kennedy and President
making clear is so we can have policy debates, but
we're not going to take lobbying input on releasing transparency
data to the American people. That ship has sailed, so.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
They're going to take goodness, you know. I think what's
so powerful is Secretary of Kennedy has power.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Now he has his hand on top of the largest
department in government. It's actually, ah just the largest by
budget government department in the world.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And he's going to be able to do these things
like the Snap reform.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
He issued a guidance on baby formula that we're going
to immediately figure out why baby formulas so dysfunctional in
the United States, make America the leading country for baby formula.
He issued this ruling on the grass standards of the FDA.
Right now, we have self fully seeing our food. You
talked to Bonnie about this. We don't even know what's
in our food. The food dies are in there because
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the food industry is able to put them in without
even checking, you know, whether you're conservative or liberal. Complete
self policicing wild West, where literally the government doesn't even
understand what's in our food and there's no studies on
the chemicals and our food. I mean that that doesn't
make any sense even just from a basic transparency standpoint.
So so Bobby Kennedy, day after day is announcing these
actual actions, and you know, I think this system's been
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rigged by you know, thousands of small steps. And I
think if we can just get this momentum on actions
that Secretary Kenny's taking again and again and again, in
four years, we're going to be amazed with how different
the system looks. One that isn't so callous about you know,
children's disease, about vaccine injuries, about the food we're putting
in our kids' mouths.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I mean, we've just become immune to all these issues.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And I think I think we're gonna have much different
culture in four years if we keep it up well.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And I think that the shocking thing and moms in
America has been to hear folks like you come out
and say, you know, it's not like this in Europe.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
They're not allowed to do this. Wait a minute, what why?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Ronnie Harry food Babe has become one of my best
friends and my unslicited thoughts to her as always you know,
she holds up the ingredient list between the US and Europe,
and you know, it's three ingredients in McDonald's fries in
Europe in seventeen here and then the fruit loopsky have,
you know in Europe, but watermelon juice and beet juices
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and carriat juice, and here it's crude oil derived you know, substances,
a bunch of other chemicals that they don't have in Europe.
I tell Fannie, just like, hold those up until the
end of time. Like the European comparisons are so powerful
because I don't want to give Europe much credit, and
they frankly don't have a.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Very good healthcare system.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
They have inviolable, like inefficient socialist systems in a lot
of ways. The point is it's not about the intricacies
of health policy. We have a cultural and almost corporate
cronyism corruption issue where we just have such powerful interests
that are predicated on you know, cheap, addictive food and
then and then sick care. And and that's one thing
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this report is going to have, the presidential report, there's
there's going to be over one hundred comparisons between Europe,
you know, from everything from you know, the vaccine schedule
to school lunches, to pharmaceutical prescription guidelines, you know, to
standards for kids on exercise. We are like an order
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of magnitude off, you know, not even mentioning that. You know,
A big one is pesticide use. I mean, again, a
lot of discussions to have a lot of policies to
talk about. These are complicated issues, but we should know
the truth. We should know the truth that the US
is dramatically an outlier on things like pesticides. We have
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worse pesticize standards than China. You know, these developing countries
can afford the disease.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
And sickness and poisoning at their population.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So we actually have some of the worst standards for
some of these things actually in the developed or developing world.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
As our healthcare system gets bigger, we have to be
recognizing the fact that that means people are getting sicker.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It is really sick care.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's trying to treat symptoms, and as you treat symptoms,
you get more and it just keeps continuing to blow up.
I look forward to that report, I really really do,
because I mean, just from what you're saying, school lunches.
We just got to notice from the school saying, you know,
we're complying with all of the state requirements. And I
love our school, but our kids have cinnamon rolls at
lunch and Bosco sticks and they were so concerned with
(28:37):
the Bosco sticks having that mazzarella and they had to
teach the extra extra help at lunch CPR because and
the Heimlich maneuver because of that instead of getting healthy.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, that's the thing that blows my mind, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And so I look at that and I say, man,
what will we do with school lunches? And you brought
up formula I just like baby formula not being filled
with nutrients. It's shocking. So we definitely look forward to
that report. We're so glad that you are where you
are right now. I mean I remember months ago interviewing
you and thinking where could this man go and how
can he help us? And there you are as a
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senior advisor in Health and Human Services, And it just
brings tears to my eyes because we're so proud of you.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Kelly means, thank you so much, thanks.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
For all you do.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yep, thanks for coming on the podcast, and thank you
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Speaker 1 (29:30):
Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We have an exciting podcast for you today because we
have Calli Means with us. He is the co founder
of True Med and you've seen him both and he
and his sister both on the show before. But now
life is a little bit different for Calli because he
has a very important role as a senior advisor to
the new Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Callie, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's great to be her tutor.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Obviously, everybody is watching what's going on right now. We're
seeing some cuts at the Health Agency. You're certainly going
to see attacks from the left on that. But I
think that a lot of this is what people were
looking for on a certain side of the aisle.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
A man the right side of the aisle, for sure,
people are looking for this.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I think there are people that maybe on the left
side of the aisle are wondering exactly what that means.
But I think, you know, you guys have explained very
well that there is not only bloat, but also that
there has been a lot of stuff going on perhaps
in Health and Human Services that is not necessarily best
for our health.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Well, I think this shouldn't be a left right issue.
It should be readily apparent that the argument that the
left is now making that more spending and more staff
at HHS equals better health is just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We spend three to four.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Times more than European countries per capita on healthcare and
we're the sickest country in the developed world. We have
the most bloated bureaucratic healthcare system in the developed world
and where the worst. So what Bobby Kennedy with President
Trump are saying is that actually, more efficiency, more focus
on these health institutions doing their job is actually goes
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hand in hand with better health. And I think clearly
when Maha Moms came out and voted in the twenty
twenty four election, they were not voting for more government bureaucrats.
They were actually voting to remove a lot of these
leaders at our healthcare agencies.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That just factual.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We have overseen an explosion of croc disease if Secretary
Kennedy and President Trump weren't making moves and installing proactively
great new people like Marty McCarey at the FDA and
Jay Bardishari at NIH who took over, who will take
over this week?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know, then what did people vote for?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So I think everyone should be very encouraged by the
fact that we're making HHS more efficient and installing great
new people in there.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, and when you say great new people, I think
that's the part that we want to focus on because
we have had so many questions about what is actually
in our food, what's actually in our drugs, And that's
something that obviously the Maha moms were saying, gosh, we've
got all of this food die. We saw Vonnie Harry
come out to Michigan and talk about the food dies.
Now we're seeing kind of on a state level, people
(02:48):
taking a different look at this.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think it's fascinating. I think I've shared with you
before that my own.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Niece has had a situation with food dye where it
caused her to have ticks. She doesn't have any food die,
but it's almost impossible. I mean, it is shockingly difficult
to eat without food dye if you get food at
the local grocery store. You've seen a strange partnership with
the legislatures and the state wide level.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think it was West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That just said they're cutting food dye, So what does
that look like moving forward?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So I think the framework for Secretary Kennedy is that
he's laid out the problem of the explosion of childhood
ARCT disease in the campaign and rallied a lot of
people to come to the trunk fold. And now it's
time to execute power. And he's showing the playbook that
he's going to use. And part of that is state
federal partnerships. I mean, this administration really believes in federalism,
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and I think one of the problems is you've had
these top down health mandates, top down food manates. I
think we remember Michelle Obama who was trying to impose
top down standards to school districts to not eat meat.
This is actually a much more bottoms up approach. And
where he started was that states oversea in many ways.
The food Stamp, the SNAP program, and that's the fourth
(04:03):
largest entitlement program. We've spend about one hundred and twenty
billion dollars to subsidize food a year for lower income folks.
The number one item on that program is soda, which
just is insane. I mean, before we get into any
divisive policy, we can all agree that we should not
be government subsidizing soda for lower income kids. Nobody's trying
to ban anything, but like these subsidies should be cut.
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It's over ten billion dollars a year. The governors, it
turns out, can request waivers to adjust the snap ingredients,
and until the Trump administration, those waivers in requests have
been rejected by the federal government that's co opted by
big food money. So now that you have Secretary Kennedy
brook Rowlands in charge at the USDA, they've asked for
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these waivers and states have stepped up. West Virginia, as
you mentioned, the most obese state in the country. Over
eighty percent of the of the state is overweight or obese.
The governor was being besieged by soda lobbyists and he
said no to them, and he stood up issued this
waiver and it was amazing. This event had you know,
thousands of Maha moms and he's been getting national attention.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
He said, you know, I think what Secretary Kennedy has.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Is is the voters are really rewarding people that show courage,
and Secretary Kennedy is able to shine a light. So
the governors of Utah Arkansas of Louisiana and many other
states on the list have followed suit.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So it's a really.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Cool example, and we can, I think, follow this playbook
when it comes to things like school lunches and other
programs where there's a federal state partnership. That's a big
message for this administration. Every single governor should be calling
Secretary Kennedy and figuring out how to make America healthy.
And I can promise these governors you're going to be rewarded.
You're going to be invited to the White House with
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President Trump and Secretary Kennedy, be celebrated as a courageous governor, and.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We're going to make sure that the.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Political benefit you receive will outweigh the anger that the
soda lobbyists have behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, I mean, but it goes beyond anger because this
is a lot of money, and that I think is
where people go, I don't understand how this happened. You know,
there's a massive amount of the public that says, how
could it be that the government that is an agency
that is supposed to protect our health could be bribed?
And that's something that we're going to be talking to
(06:22):
the author of No. More tears the dark Secrets of
Johnson and Johnson on Monday, and that's kind of when
you hear what he has to say, it's been kind
of shocking to see how much these corporations have bought government.
And they bought government essentially. And I mean that's essentially
what you were just saying talking about the governors being
brave and fighting against this. It's bravery because not only
(06:45):
do these lobbyists exist, but they own certain essentially people
in the government.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, this is what I think so exciting about Secretary
Kennedy's tenure is that this corruption, I'm sure you've seen
a lot of it, and this influence, it's peddling, this
corporate capture, it's been able to hide behind closed doors.
You know, it's been able to hide in these secret
meetings where you know, truly for the past twenty thirty years,
(07:11):
you've had time and time again, soda lobbyists able to
keep this ten billion dollar subsidy from the food stamp
program to coke. It actually makes no sense. And what's
happening now is there's a light being shined. I mean,
you have the American Heart Association, the American Heart Association
come into Texas with a lobbyist and argue for soda
(07:31):
on snap And this has been actually happening for twenty years.
If you go to the American Heart Association's website, which
is a group that sets the standard of care for
cardiology in the country, they're top donors are all food companies,
millions of dollars. They're a paid lobbyist for food companies.
And I've seen this early in my career. They've gone
(07:53):
to state capitals for the past twenty years and argued
for terrible policies like this. But now they come they
make this argument. They don't realize it's twenty twenty five,
but President Trump's in charge, the Secretary kids.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
In charge, and that video got tens of millions of views. Immediately.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
You just had Andrew Huberman the Top Healthcare podcast are
talking about it. So the American Heart Association actually had
the reverse course. They said it was a mistake, but
it was not a mistake. They've been lobbying for food
companies for decades, but they're finally getting caught. So that's
an interesting dynamic. You know, when I was starting with
Bobby Kennedy and chatting with the truck folks about two
(08:31):
years ago and really wanting to get this issue more
front and center. A lot of lawmakers told me, we
care about this issue, but the phones aren't ringing off
the hook. This isn't a grassroots issue. This idea of
showed himself. We're getting a lot of calls.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Two years ago, there wasn't this. There was clearly this
frustration of moms.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
There was clearly this care about what's happening to chric
disease you've heard about on the podcast. People will grab it,
but it wasn't politically organized. There weren't phones ringing off
the hook. And a dynamic now is wherever Secretary to
Keaty talks about, there's focus on that area.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So moms on the local level are calling.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And there's when you have that right you see it, Tutor,
tell me if you don't see it in a different way.
I mean, when there's grassroots activity on the local level
behind an issue, it really it can defeat the big
money interests.
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many people came out here to go protest at Kellogg
and it is a big deal on those podcasts, like
you said, and I think that's something that the left
hadn't anticipated, and as we see them kind of melting down.
(10:45):
It's interesting because if you look at the breakdown of
talk online, the online podcasts that are right leaning have
about a half a billion followers. On the left leaning side,
it's one hundred million. You know, that's a massive differences,
and that's I think what we saw in the election.
But that's what we see with public health because people
are now saying, oh, my gosh, were we lied to?
(11:08):
And based on what I'm learning from you and from
Gardner Harris and from some other folks, is that, yeah,
we were actually lied to in like major ways.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We were lied to.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And I take this personally because it goes beyond just
the food that we're putting in our systems.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
It also goes to the drugs that we're putting in
our systems.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I think that's also something that Secretary Kennedy is
very concerned with, and the way these drugs were approved,
even though they have a lot of clinical trials that
are showing that they actually aren't doing what the people
what the organization and the corporation is saying that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It goes beyond that. I mean, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I look at what I read in this book, what
I've seen on podcasts, what you've said, and I think
to myself, how do they get it all done.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
One thing that shocked me when.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I had this conversation that will air on Monday was
medical devices have no tracking system. Medical devices that go
into your body have no tracking system. And it just
by chance came up because it was we were talking
about how Johnson and Johnson had put this MESSI into
women that was destroying their bodies. And I said, you know,
(12:17):
it's interesting because when I had when I had my
reconstructive surgery after breast cancer, they put these breasts I
plants in that they said that I then read were
causing cancer. And I called my doctor at Johns Hopkins.
He goes, oh, yeah, you should have those taken out.
And I said, but you know, now that I think
about it, no one called me. And he said, we
have no way of tracking in the United States, but
(12:38):
other countries do. We have no way of tracking. I
mean it's like if Kellogg's has to recall something, we
all get a notice. But if you have to recall
a hip replacement or a breast implant, or anything that
goes into a human body.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
This is all by design.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Would I always go to when we talk about dysfunctional
healthcare system is or people talk about how bad the
websites are to sign up, you know, all the different frustrating.
You know how non transparent payment is. A lot of
people talk, Oh, this could be so much better. It's
this is the largest industry in the country is healthcare.
Healthcare is the largest and fastest strong industry in the country.
It's the most employed industry in the country. It's something
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consistently is the same way. It's because the invisible hand
of the system wants it that way, and and the
system benefits from a completely obfiscated, non transparent system.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So I think that's why it's so important.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know what President Trump and Bobby Kennedy had talked about,
which is like the step one of mahas just giving
patients the truth. He Secretary Kennedy said. With the cuts,
literally departments at HHS, different agencies sell data to each other,
they protect their own data between different agencies. The degree
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of dysfunction of healthcare system is beyond human comprehension.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That is what's so shocking to me, because I'm reading
about this stuff and I think to myself, the only
place I've heard about this where a company can get
away with poisoning you or putting a defective device inside
of your body would be like China or Russia, where
there wouldn't be a massive news organization that comes out
and says no.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But the reason we also have pharmaceutical ads.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So the media is funded by the bad guy in
many cases. And I'm not saying that all pharmaceutical companies
are bad, because I don't believe that, but to be clear,
there are people, there are bad actors who get to
use their leverage, their funding, leverage over the media to
stop any bad press from coming out. So if there
is a product that is no good, if there is,
(14:46):
I mean, even when you go through the details of
the JAY and J vaccine.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
For COVID, there was so much hidden.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I want to mention there's a guy that is
making news today, Peter Stein. He's a top of fish
that was at the Food and Drug Administration.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He was let go.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
His job was to oversee the reviewers that evaluate the
new drugs and people. So this is news now, you know,
because people are like, oh my gosh, they got rid
of this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And here it's at the same time when next week.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This book is going to hit, people are going to
find out that there have been drugs.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That have been approved with no record of efficacy and
in fact the opposite.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
A record of death in the in the clinical trials.
And to me, in some of these cases, I'm like,
these people are getting pressed because they're being let go.
I'm wondering if they should be getting pressed because they
should be under investigation.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So this is breathless coverage right now of Peter Marx,
who's the FDA top science, the top scientists, the FDA
the top vaccine regulator.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
When you read the front.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Pages of every publication today, it's an attack on science.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's how can this possibly how can secretary?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Can they possibly treat the pharmaceutical industry this poorly? Now,
I totally agree with you. There's good people the pharmaceutical industry.
We should have a thriving pharmaceutical industry. What I try
to do is just step back to the just overarching
incentives of our healthcare system, which nobody can argue make
money when more people are sick. The pharmaceutical industry, the
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hospital industry, even the insurance industry.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
They make money when there's more sickness in America. That's
just a fact.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And that incentive has totally captured our institutions and.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Wars evident, no more, No, there was no clearer.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Evidence of that than this guy, Peter Marx. You know,
over his tenure as being the top science that day
since twenty twelve, he time and time and time again
overruled scientists of the FDA in favor of pharma. I mean,
one example is that in twenty twenty, the two top
vaccine scientists at the FDA, we're raising some concerns about
(17:06):
the Code vaccine, particularly around whether it should be mandated
to soldiers. He pushed those two vaccine scientists out and
said they were bringing transud it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
This guy has no background in vaccines.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
He has somebodies at a muscular dystrophy drug company which
the FDA Expert Advisory Panel said caused massive ToxS and
loads and liver issues.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He approved that.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Drug against advice, and now that drug has caused death
recently for a young person of liver failure and is
being recalled. There's many, many instances like this where he
did pharma's bid in for whatever reason, went against the
expert opinion and the drug ended up being recalled. And
there was another case with an Alzheimer's strug which caused damage.
So these are the type of people at the FDA,
(17:51):
And for whatever reason, when we have the highest rates
of diabetes o VC, we're the top in the world
in cancer rates two hundred twelve countries, we are the
worst cancer it's in the world of any country. We're
basically towards the worst or worst and almost every currencies rate.
And then the media acts surprised and offended when we
change personnel. So this is what Secretary Kennedy really is
(18:12):
fighting against. And I think what the America people need
to understand when they see one of those articles.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
The reason there are pharmaceutical ads and basically when you're
watching cable news now, it's essentially a long pharmaceutical infomercial.
You basically have sky Rizzi commercials interspersed with the newscasters
talking about how great the latest farmer drug is.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So that's an effort to buy the news itself.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
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It's been interesting to watch Secretary Kennedy because this isn't
a power struggle for him, This isn't a money grab.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
He has said four years, this is truly who he is.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I want to end childhood chronic disease, and I think
ending childhood chronic disease ultimately goes into adulthood too, because
those kids are.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Going to grow up. I mean, our generation.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Grew up on foods that were unhealthy, on medications that
were being given at a moment, too many medications. I mean,
we now have the most depressed society with the most
depressive depression medications. And what we were talking about, what
you'll hear us talking about on Monday, is that oftentimes,
once one of these drugs gets passed by the FDA,
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it's very hard to ever have it reviewed. Even if
there is information coming back saying this isn't effective, it
just stays as an approved drug. And then you've got
these drug salesmen from the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing it, pushing,
and keep pushing it and keep pushing it with the doctors.
So you have that, but you also have kids with
fatty livers. We've really never seen that before. I mean
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that was my doctor was talking to me about the show.
Oh yeah, we've got these kids with fatty livers now.
And I will tell you just the striking difference when
I go. I went to a choir festival last week
and the kids came out, and the striking amount of
children who are in middle school who are really considerably
overweight and these are not. It's not like, you know,
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all those kids parents just don't care. I don't believe
that for a second. I believe that it is very
It is a struggle to get foods that are healthy
for our kids right now, because I believe that the
reason we're seeing this is that the food is causing
this problem what our kids are ingesting.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But it's not just that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I will say, also, doctors want to put kids on
antidepressants immediately that cause them to gain weight?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
How can this also be? Why is there no oversight
over this?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So you're getting me very fired up here, and honestly,
like I get emotional thinking about this because because we're
working right now on a report the President Trump has
asked for in an executive order, which is to really
analyze what's causing this chronic disease crisis, analyze the trends
of child to chroract disease on analyze how the US
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compares to other countries. And we've solicited input from experts
around the country. And our initial notes, which is simply
bullet points of statistics, is fifteen hundred pages and I
just turned to a random page and it's shocking statistics
about child and a chronic disease. This report is going
to just shock the country, and it's just.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Shocking how we got here. And I think that's.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Why, you know, millions of moms and independents and young
people who would probably four years ago never considered voting
Trump came to Trump for the first time because Bobby
really awakened that issue.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
So the Trump administration is really going to lay out
this problem.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It's going to be the first government administration history to
really call this stuff out. Because actually, it's interesting seeing
these policy debates, there's really a lot of lobbying pressure
to not even release the truth. Like actually explicitly explicitly
what food companies and pharmer companies argue is it's not
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even policy.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
They're literally like it's going to hurt us to release
that data.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So I think one thing Bobby, Secretary Kennedy and President
making clear is so we can have policy debates, but
we're not going to take lobbying input on releasing transparency
data to the American people. That ship has sailed, so.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
They're going to take goodness, you know. I think what's
so powerful is Secretary of Kennedy has power.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Now he has his hand on top of the largest
department in government. It's actually, ah just the largest by
budget government department in the world.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And he's going to be able to do these things
like the Snap reform.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
He issued a guidance on baby formula that we're going
to immediately figure out why baby formulas so dysfunctional in
the United States, make America the leading country for baby formula.
He issued this ruling on the grass standards of the FDA.
Right now, we have self fully seeing our food. You
talked to Bonnie about this. We don't even know what's
in our food. The food dies are in there because
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the food industry is able to put them in without
even checking, you know, whether you're conservative or liberal. Complete
self policicing wild West, where literally the government doesn't even
understand what's in our food and there's no studies on
the chemicals and our food. I mean that that doesn't
make any sense even just from a basic transparency standpoint.
So so Bobby Kennedy, day after day is announcing these
actual actions, and you know, I think this system's been
(25:30):
rigged by you know, thousands of small steps. And I
think if we can just get this momentum on actions
that Secretary Kenny's taking again and again and again, in
four years, we're going to be amazed with how different
the system looks. One that isn't so callous about you know,
children's disease, about vaccine injuries, about the food we're putting
in our kids' mouths.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I mean, we've just become immune to all these issues.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And I think I think we're gonna have much different
culture in four years if we keep it up well.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And I think that the shocking thing and moms in
America has been to hear folks like you come out
and say, you know, it's not like this in Europe.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
They're not allowed to do this. Wait a minute, what why?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Ronnie Harry food Babe has become one of my best
friends and my unslicited thoughts to her as always you know,
she holds up the ingredient list between the US and Europe,
and you know, it's three ingredients in McDonald's fries in
Europe in seventeen here and then the fruit loopsky have,
you know in Europe, but watermelon juice and beet juices
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and carriat juice, and here it's crude oil derived you know, substances,
a bunch of other chemicals that they don't have in Europe.
I tell Fannie, just like, hold those up until the
end of time. Like the European comparisons are so powerful
because I don't want to give Europe much credit, and
they frankly don't have a.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Very good healthcare system.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
They have inviolable, like inefficient socialist systems in a lot
of ways. The point is it's not about the intricacies
of health policy. We have a cultural and almost corporate
cronyism corruption issue where we just have such powerful interests
that are predicated on you know, cheap, addictive food and
then and then sick care. And and that's one thing
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this report is going to have, the presidential report, there's
there's going to be over one hundred comparisons between Europe,
you know, from everything from you know, the vaccine schedule
to school lunches, to pharmaceutical prescription guidelines, you know, to
standards for kids on exercise. We are like an order
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of magnitude off, you know, not even mentioning that. You know,
A big one is pesticide use. I mean, again, a
lot of discussions to have a lot of policies to
talk about. These are complicated issues, but we should know
the truth. We should know the truth that the US
is dramatically an outlier on things like pesticides. We have
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worse pesticize standards than China. You know, these developing countries
can afford the disease.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
And sickness and poisoning at their population.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So we actually have some of the worst standards for
some of these things actually in the developed or developing world.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
As our healthcare system gets bigger, we have to be
recognizing the fact that that means people are getting sicker.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It is really sick care.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's trying to treat symptoms, and as you treat symptoms,
you get more and it just keeps continuing to blow up.
I look forward to that report, I really really do,
because I mean, just from what you're saying, school lunches.
We just got to notice from the school saying, you know,
we're complying with all of the state requirements. And I
love our school, but our kids have cinnamon rolls at
lunch and Bosco sticks and they were so concerned with
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the Bosco sticks having that mazzarella and they had to
teach the extra extra help at lunch CPR because and
the Heimlich maneuver because of that instead of getting healthy.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, that's the thing that blows my mind, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And so I look at that and I say, man,
what will we do with school lunches? And you brought
up formula I just like baby formula not being filled
with nutrients. It's shocking. So we definitely look forward to
that report. We're so glad that you are where you
are right now. I mean I remember months ago interviewing
you and thinking where could this man go and how
can he help us? And there you are as a
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senior advisor in Health and Human Services, And it just
brings tears to my eyes because we're so proud of you.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Kelly means, thank you so much, thanks.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
For all you do.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yep, thanks for coming on the podcast, and thank you
all for listening. To the podcast For more episodes, go
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Speaker 1 (29:30):
Have a blessed day.
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