April 8, 2025 • 60 mins
U.S.-China trade war
Florida Gators' victory in the NCAA tournament, highlighting the excitement and predictions made by the hosts. The conversation transitions into a detailed analysis of the stock market movements, emphasizing the significant bounce back and the media's portrayal of these fluctuations, particularly in relation to Donald Trump's presidency. The hosts critique the media's tendency to use the stock market as a tool to attack Trump, noting the inconsistency in coverage when the market is up versus when it is down.
The show delves into the economic policies and trade disputes, particularly focusing on the U.S.-China trade war. The hosts argue that Trump's approach to trade and economic policies, including tariffs, is strategic and aimed at long-term benefits despite short-term disruptions. They emphasize the resilience of the American economy and the administration's efforts to maintain stability.
Clay's useful law degree
A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to discussing Trump's legal victories, including recent Supreme Court rulings that support his executive authority. The hosts highlight the challenges posed by federal district court judges who attempt to block Trump's actions, framing these legal battles as part of the broader resistance against his administration.
The conversation also touches on the Supreme Court's decision regarding the Alien Enemies Act deportations, reinforcing Trump's ability to enforce his policies despite judicial opposition. The hosts argue that these legal victories demonstrate Trump's adherence to constitutional principles, contrary to the portrayal of him as authoritarian by his critics.
Dire wolf comeback?
The show features an intriguing discussion about the resurrection of the Dire wolf using DNA technology, drawing parallels to the concept of bringing back extinct species as depicted in Jurassic Park. The hosts debate the ethical and practical implications of reintroducing extinct animals, considering the potential risks and benefits.
Salena Zito on America First
Journalist Selena Zito provides insights into the Midwestern manufacturing sector and the impact of Trump's policies on local communities and America First. Zito shares her observations from visiting a steel mill in West Mifflin, Pennsylvania, highlighting the optimism among workers and the potential for revitalizing American manufacturing through strategic tariffs and investments.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
In Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, congratulations to
the Florida Gators. Buck Sexton and I both nailed it,
said the Florida Gators are going to win the NCAA tournament.
They did in a really fun game last night. We'll
maybe have a little bit of fun with that. Buck's wife, Carrie,
is a Florida Gator alum, and I know many of
(00:23):
you out there listening across the country are Gator fans
as well, Houston Cougar fans.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Probably great season.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Probably not going to be as angry at me today
and the talkbacks as they were yesterday. Since Florida one
covered as I told you they were going to do,
we'll have some fun with that. We also will continue
to be CNBC and Fox Business. Since everybody is suddenly
obsessed with what the day to day movement of the
stock market is, let me go ahead and tell you
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right off the top.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The Dow is up roughly one thousand points today. For
those of you who have been obsessively following the stock
market during the Trump battle, S and P five hundred
up about two and a half points two and a
half percent, that is, and the NASDAC up about two
and a half percent. So I am your business a
(01:17):
business beat writer here giving you the absolute latest on
the stock market. In all seriousness, stock market is bouncing
back quite a lot, as we told you it was
likely to do. And I saw Buck something that I
thought kind of perfectly epitomized the way the market is
being used to attack Trump right now. CNN yesterday, when
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the stock market was down, had the stock market ticker
on their screen constantly all day long. Hey it's down, this,
it's down that Today the stock market is surging, going
to have one of its best days in probably months,
maybe years. And CNN at the time that I was
watching it not have the ticker showing that it was
(02:02):
back up substantially. But again general lesson here. They are
going to use whatever they can to attack Trump. The
stock market is going to go up, and it's going
to go down. I told you if it's below where
it is today eighteen months from now, and if the
inflation is up, I'll come on and I'll wear a
clown costume and I'll tell you, hey, you know what,
(02:23):
I was totally wrong. I think it's going to resolve itself.
I think by the summer, many of these trade disputes
will be decided. The battle with China is going to
be longer lasting because China has been for decades now
taking advantage of the global free trade marketplace to rig
it game in its favor, and it will take a
long time, I think, to potentially get a resolution there.
(02:47):
But we told you at some point water is going
to find its level. The markets have seemingly adjusted to
this trade war that is now underway. Big drops Thursday, Friday,
big bounce back today, and we will see kind of
how this plays out. But I think you should know
that the main attack here is just find anything that
(03:08):
is negative and decide to use it as a cudgel
against Trump. Other news today, Buck's last radio show as tomorrow.
You're gonna be on tomorrow too, Yeah, yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Thought you were out. I thought you were out my
last full day. And for those of you are saying, like,
how do you know it could happen, Yes, it could happen,
like in five minutes. Let's let's hope. K not because
I'm the middle of the show, but I would go
with my wife at the hospital. But because the baby's
gotten a little big the doctors would like us to induce.
So that's why you were inducing tomorrow. But you're gonna
be on the show tomorrow. I'm gonna be on the show, Toro.
(03:47):
I'm finishing the show tomorrow, grabbing my go bag with
the wifey going to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, I thought you were at the hospital tomorrow. Okay,
So Buck has one more show.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'm actually gonna do a live segment from the hospital
during the they'd like, yes, Clay. Here, I am seventh
floor of the Miami the sideline reporter of the baby delivery. Okay,
I thought today was the last day You'll be in
tomorrow and then the baby is scheduled to arrive. So
Buck in his final moments of getting ready for a
baby to arrive. All right, what's your take as we
(04:18):
sit here in the stock market does as the stock
market does bounce back, how many days in a row
do you think it would need to bounce back for
the latest? Oh my goodness, the world is burning down.
Remember when it was the first term, everything Trump did
world War three would trend, you know he would. And
when he killed Solimani, it was immediately every decision that
(04:40):
he made was in some way going to lead to
imminent catastrophe, and then by and large none of that occurred.
And the one thing that actually caused the biggest calamity
was something he was not responsible for at all, which
was COVID escaping from a Chinese lab in you know,
January of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And now that sort of set the whole world on fire.
But Trump had nothing at all to do with having
caused it in any way, unless you want to say, hey,
Fauci had something to do with it from years and
years ago, which I think is fair based on gain
of function research. But you would think that people would
have learned their lesson. But they just have to run
around these left wingers and many of their legacy media
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allies as if we are in the midst of an
unprecedented catastrophe over and over again, and the catastrophe is
constantly shifting. The signal leaked Jeffrey Goldberg Atlantic story was
gonna burn everything down. Now that's completely gone, and the
new thing is, oh, Trump's tariff battle is going to
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destroy the world. That's the new calamity.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Well, they've had to come to grips with something in
the anti Trump media, which is that their credibility in
the public's mind. And I mean that broadly. I mean
that even for Trump voters, right, it's just evaporated. We're
in a totally different world now. Just the front page
of the New York Times is not enough to convince
(06:07):
someone of anything's truth anymore. Broadly, everyone recognizes, I think,
much more clearly than ever before, that the media is
running anti Trump ops on a regular basis, choosing what
to cover, how they cover at everything, and so clay.
They no longer have the ability, They no longer have
the ability to induce there's that word again, to induce
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panic across the country the same way. Now. Their audience
still demands it and wants it at some level, but
even they, I think, have become a little bit numb
to Trump panic syndrome. The synapses are kind of fried.
For the Libs, they can't get themselves quite as freaked
out now because we were told even a matter of
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what six months ago, that he would be hitler, and
now we're seeing no, it's actually fine. It's all fine, Libs.
You know, this was the one thing when I was
with Bill Maher on his show, and you know, he
just had dinner with Trump, recently. Yes, I tried the
one thing that I tried to convince him of that
I thought I might make a little ground, as I said,
I promise you Trump is not Hitler and it's all
going to be fine. And he refused, He said, I disagree.
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I think the country's over if he wins. Well, now
we just went and had dinner with him. So put
that one. Put one in the column for the Buckster
was speaking truth to mister Bill maher on that obviously,
So Clay, this is the administration continuing to keep promises.
And also I think to be very focused on what
the agenda is irrespective of whatever the media says. And
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that's the Trump doesn't give a you know what about
what they say. Is actually a powerful political tool right now,
or it's a powerful political reality, and I think he
should continue to do this. They also, we haven't mentioned it.
We'll get into it more later. Supreme Court just came
down five to four on the Alien Enemies Act deportations,
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and the White House is going to be able to
continue to do that. And I know there's a change
of venue. We can get into some of those specifics,
but it is not in fact the case that this
was open and shot Trump can't do There's no actually
Trump can, So we should continue to look at that
as well. But I think on the economic side of things,
they're really running out of stuff to tell us is
(08:20):
going to cause the depression because of Trump? Right, They're
running out of levers to pull here on this one.
Because if this was supposed to be Black Monday, as
they were saying, as Kramer said, to whatever degree anyone
thinks that guy should be listened to, I think the
answer should be almost not at all. But what are
they going to keep saying?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
This?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Is this going to be the walls they're closing in
with the impeachments all over again? You know, I think
that they still are completely ineffectual at their efforts to
derail this administration, which is to the benefit of the
American people.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I think that's totally true, and I think it's important. Again,
I'm pulling up since I'm the stock market reporter right now.
You know, your stocks are basically the exact same price
as they were in May of last year, so eleven
months ago. If you did not feel as I would
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imagine most of you did not eleven months ago, if
you did not feel like you were on the verge
of imploding. Then stocks go up, they go down, and
I believe that we will soon, you know, continue that
that upswing in the Trump era over the next couple
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of years. But you don't know when This average stock
market price, you know, in every year on average goes
up eight or nine percent, but there's a wide range
of how that can go. And I would just say,
look at prices back in May of last year. If
you weren't panicked, if you weren't sitting around staring at
the walls thinking to yourself, oh my goodness, how am
I going to live? Probably take a breath and and
(10:00):
realize that you're okay.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, well, Clay, beyond that, though, you know that the
stock market is just an indicator. Let's talk about America
and the economy as well. Here they said, meaning the
people that are freaked out about Trump as a profession,
they said that he was going to crash the stock
market with this. He didn't. Okay, it didn't happen. And
this is probably the moment of maximum disruption as it
(10:25):
relates to market perception. Because we'll get into some of
these specifics. There's negotiations ongoing this country's come forward and said, hey,
let's figure this out. Fifty countries plus already have said
all right, let's get a deal going here. So there
will be a greater degree of market certainty and a
greater degree of the economy is okay, right. The perception
(10:46):
of stability will create additional stability with this, which I
think also Clay goes to Trump and his team understand
these fundamental currents within the economy, not just the stock market,
about manufacturing, about trade, about employment, about the price of gas,
the price of eggs, the price of mortgages. All of
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these things are in consideration, and this team knows what
they are doing and is trying to achieve something. You know,
you can just tell the Democrats were hoping. They were
hoping for the stock market to go down forty percent yesterday, yes,
because that would in their minds, that would be okay,
we're back baby, the end of the Trump presidency. It
didn't happen, and now we're going to see who's right
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and who's wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And I definitely think again, for all of you out there,
just trust to the extent you trust us on anything,
eight or nine percent a year every ten years, the
S and P five hundred, it is going to double.
If you really significantly get sick to your stomach watching
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the stock market, then don't pay a lot of attention
to the stock market and recognize that whatever is not
going a little bit perfectly, they are going to immediately
weaponize against Trump. And you don't make decisions typically in
your own life on a day to day basis. You
would never I think this analogy is so good. You
(12:13):
would never look at what Zillo says the value of
your house is and be like, oh my goodness, I've
got to sell my house right now. Your house is
constantly fluctuating in price. You have no idea what it's
going to be worth. Most people do well on their
houses because there is a significant cost associated with selling
a home. With moving. Most people move into a house
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and they stay there for years. And if you do that,
if you make a solid decision, the best financial decision
most people make is buying a house and holding on
to it. Same thing's true also of stocks. We'll take
some of your calls. By the way, We're also scheduled
to be joined by Selena Zito, who does a good
job of reporting from out in the Midwest. Kind of
the middle part of the country about what she's seeing
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on the road and what she's seeing and all these
different communities.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, her calling card for a lot of us who
remember the twenty sixteen election is she was the one
who said that people in the media and the Democrats
took Trump literally but not seriously, when they should have
taken him seriously but not literally. And also was reporting
from russ Belt flyover whatever you want to call the
de industrialized areas of the country and said, no, I'm
(13:25):
talking about twenty sixteen now, right when this was still
shock to a lot of people, she was doing that
reporting saying, no, people are really it, this is a movement,
this is real. So she's got an update now eight
years later on that for us that I think Klay
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Speaker 2 (15:07):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. Okay, I understand,
and it feels like getting a law degree was actually
a good decision solely based on being in media, because
there are so many court decisions that are constantly coming down,
not only when Trump was running for office, but now
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as a part of the Trump era.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So let me hit you with the latest ruling.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That just came down in the last What am I
looking at this in the last twenty minutes or so?
The Supreme Court headline at the Wall Street Journal, Supreme
Court lets Trump fire federal employees. The Supreme Court on
Tuesday lifted a lower court order that blocked the Trump
administration from firing sixteen thousand federal employees, saying that these
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organizations that claim they were harmed lack legal standing to
challenge the layoffs. Order was unsigned, but two liberal justices
opposed it, suggesting that it was it would have otherwise
been a seven to two decision. This was to overturn
an injunction put in place by the US District Court
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Judge Alsop in San Francisco requiring the reinstatement of all
of these employees that the Trump administration was seeking dismiss. Okay,
So what's going on there? Also was the decision that
came down relating to Trump's executive power to deport individuals
from this trenda ragua gang. Basically, the Supreme Court is
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coming in and slapping down these federal nationwide injunctions that
are being put in place by these district court judges.
So Trump's executive authority and power is being reinforced by
the Supreme Court, which is telling these federal district court
judges you have to lift these injunctions. Now, we talked
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about this. The Trump two point zero resistance is not
coming from the legacy media. It's not even coming from
the Democrat Party. It's coming from left wing judges at
the district court level that are deciding to try to
enjoin that is stopped basically Trump from undertaking his executive authority.
And we talked about it within the context Historically, Trump
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has more nationwide injunctions than Biden had in four years already,
than Obama had in four years already. These judges are
trying to throw themselves to thwart the Trump agenda and
forcing the Supreme Court to come in and say, hey,
you can't do this.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, I think it's also important context that not only
the number that you laid out shows that something is
clearly a miss here, right, four years versus sixty days,
and he already has more injunctions. But also Clay, in
both cases of Obama and Biden, those were presidents who
said openly I don't have the authority to do this thing,
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and then did the thing. So those are those are
presidents who were reckless about the use of executive power,
just just flagrantly making stuff up doing you know, when
you're talking about, oh is it the administration, look look
at what they use against Trump. It's the Administrative Procedures Act.
Was all due notice given in all the forms checked
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before you can fire a single of federal employee. With
Obama or with with Biden, it was, yeah, you don't
owe money to the student loans anymore. You know, we're
just gonna make that go away for you. Right, We're
talking about big things that they had clearly no authority
to do whatsoever. So I just think that when you
keep it and when you have it in that context, clearly,
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you know, right leaning judges are like, look, you know,
I may not like what's going on here, but unless
they violate the law, clearly, I'm not going to try
to step in. Left wing judges are I don't like Trump.
I'm going to find a way to stop him. Perfect
example of this judge Boseburg, who has really become the
pinnacle of the resistance. You know that he wasn't supposed
to get the case. I just heard this the other day.
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It was amazing. He wasn't the judge on duty for
the flight leaving. You know, remember, first of all, this
is in DC, and why is this falling undo the
DC jurisdiction. There's all these questions. But Clay, he stepped
in and was like, oh no, I want this one.
That's not how that That's not how that's supposed to work.
The judge that hates the president isn't supposed to shove
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aside other judges in the rotation. Think about this, Clay.
You know, if somebody was charged with murder and some
judge shoved another judge out of the way, Oh no,
I want this case because everybody knows I hate this defendant.
Nobody would think that was okay. It's exactly what Boseburg did.
And also, all these federal district court judges really do
think that if they oppose Trump, they're also setting themselves
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up for promotion, because again, for those of you out there,
and I understand sometimes your head rolls back into your
head over this. There's the federal District court judge level,
which is the lowest level of the district court judges.
Then there's the Circuit Court, and then there's the Supreme Court.
So these lowest level judges are trying to put in place,
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like this guy from San Francisco is trying to put
in place a ruling that applies nationwide, and eventually it
works its way into the Supreme Court, and they say no.
And remember the precedent that they're putting in place about
executive power and executive authority applies for all future presidents.
So what they're trying to do is Trump resistance two
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point zero is almost exclusively the province so far of
the judiciary. And to your point, Buck, it certainly is
interesting that all these judges claiming that they are trying
to def in the Constitution from an authoritarian dictator. Actually
the Supreme Court is saying, time after time, Trump has
the right to be able to do what he's doing.
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And I think it's important to point out that Biden
knew many times when he was taking action, for instance,
when it came to the extension of the lack of
evictions under FEMA authority, that he didn't have the ability
to do that, and he even said, this will just
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buy a few more months for us to be able
to keep this policy in place. He defied what he
knew the law was. Trump on so many of these,
so many of these legal issues when he gets up
against these resistance judges, Clay, how many times have we
been told and all these people like I'm especially the
former Conservatives or former Republicans out there, you know who
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they are.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I'm so I'm so principled. What Trump is doing is
flagrantly violating the Constitution. And then it turns out when
real judges look at it, they go, no, this is
he has the power to do this time and again,
remember the so called Muslim band that wasn't a Muslim ban.
It was a countries that can't vet and have a
lot of terrorsts coming out of them ban.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, they said he couldn't do that. He ended
up being u correct on that. The courts eventually upheld
it right. They made some kind of a modification to
the first order to clarify, but it wasn't some crazy idea.
It was based on Obama administration designations of terror supporting countries.
But they just they have no ability Trump arrangement syndrome.
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It's so tiring, isn't it, Clay. They can't They keep
telling you they're objective. They can't be objective when it
comes to this guy.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
What about Crazily Remember when the Colorado is Supreme I know,
everybody just tries to forget all this stuff happened. You
don't hear it talked about very often, But the Colorado
Supreme Court said Trump couldn't be on the ballot. Yeah,
And it went all the way to the United States
Supreme Court and all these people out there, we're saying, well,
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under the Confederate you know, clause of the whatever it was,
the fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth Amendment. I don't even remember what
the specific battle was, but it was one of those
they said, this is a really difficult legal issue. I
think there's a very strong case that he shouldn't be
able to be on the ballots at all. I remember
reading all these editorials in the New York Times, and
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then the Supreme Court said no, nine, oh, you can't
do this, and when you get slapped down no by
the United States Supreme Court and trying to argue, actually,
they have the right to do this. I think a
lot of people it was Lucy and Charlie Brown, you know,
are you really.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's the football going to get pulled, football going to
get pulled.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
In New York Times saying no, this is a really
legitimate legal argument that they've made, and then the Supreme
Court says, nine, No, you can't do this, Colorado Clay.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was the Democrat Apparatus that was telling us just
a year ago that you can prosecute a president criminally
for decisions that he makes as president. Right, think about that.
I don't like the air strike he did throw them in. Yeah,
that was effectively the argument that they were making. The
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Supreme Court had to clarify. No, if he's acting within
presidential capacity, you can't say that's a criminal matter. It's
a his discretion matter. But they needed that to be clarified, right,
I mean, yeah, I think if we could run a
tape play the whole show of CNN Legal experts in
New York Times legal experts, you're just wrong over and
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over and to your point, in some of these cases,
they're wrong nine. Oh yeah, has to be like, you
guys are insane, even who is herself insane?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, even this with the San Francisco District judge, everybody's
telling us, oh, we don't know whether the president has authority.
We told you on this show. Yeah, this is the
very province of presidential authority. Even this was seven to two.
You know, even this order striking down what the San
Francisco judge did was very clearly telling him this is
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not within the province of your powers. The president has
the ability to do this. And again, this is why
so many of these rulings are not designed to win.
They're designed to delay. It's it's like if you're if
you're putting you know, back in the day, somebody's on
the train tracks and you're trying to just put a
bunch of burning logs on them. Your goal is not
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to end the ability of the train track to exist.
It's just to slow everything down. It's all dilatory tactics,
that's all that's going on here. And you know in
this order about the this is the one that just
came down.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That is it's essentially saying, hey, you can't the judge
that said you have to rehire. Everybody needs to needs
to slow as slow his role here. Slow slow the
role here because the people that brought the suit to
get them reinstated don't even have standing right, correct, So
they have no right to be in core on this issue.
In the final you can't just suit. You can't just
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go to a federal judge and say, hey, some federal
employees somewhere else got fired and I don't like that,
So hey, judge, I know you hate Trump. Can you
make them hire them back? And the fact that a
lower court judge Clay went along with this sham, it
just shows you how insane these people are and they
don't care. They simply don't care. This is a federal
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judge in Baltimore that ordered the administration to reinstate thousands
of fired probationary workers. One federal judge can say that
you have to rehire thousands of people in the federal
government because some nonprofit has brought a lawsuit in his court.
Get out of here. This is when a judge tried
to tell the President that he had to turn a
plane around and return. Yeah, ton, I mean that's a
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pretty I'm actually glad. I'm glad that he did that,
because that really that was he overplayed his hand big time,
and everyone saw that for what it was. By the way,
because if you can do that, he can say, hey,
turn the F eighteen around, not allowed to bomb the
nuclear reactor and around. By the way, breaking news on
the tariffs, the White House has now imposed one hundred
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and four percent tariffs on China, effective immediately, in response
to China's response to us. So we are this is
a trade war. Just to be clear, this with China,
we are entering trade war territory. The other countries are allies.
We're gonna figure out a nice deal. But China, Clay,
wouldn't you agree, I mean, that's this is a trade
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Speaker 2 (27:29):
Oh yeah, it's the gloves are off with China right now.
So we'll break into that in a little bit more details.
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Podcasts Now We're going to go talk with journalists Selena Zito,
who did a great job covering Trump in the Midwest.
We'll talk to her at the bottom half of this hour.
We've been giving you the absolute latest on everything that's
taking place in the markets. Markets have come back down,
but they are still in the green that as they
are still positive for the day. Trump versus China has accelerated,
(29:27):
with the tariff on Chinese goods going to over one
hundred percent. I think it's important for many of you
out there to realize that we're really not talking about
one policy fits all. It's going to be very different,
but ultimately this trade battle is really about the United
States versus China. Yes, there's going to be some tension
with the European Union, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan, whoever else
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you want to toss out there, But really this is
about the United States versus China. This is the big
battle to be fought. It's going to resolve itself in
the weeks and months ahead. But right now Trump is
retaliating for China's retaliation to US, and I guess the
next question, Buck, is will China retaliate again or is
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this move by Trump to put one hundred tariff on
all Chinese goods going to actually provoke China to say, Okay,
let's sit down, let's talk about a way to figure
this out. So we will see exactly how that pans out.
Bridge Colby committed, confirmed, not committed. We probably need to
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commit some Democrats, but not Bridge Colby and so he
is confirmed. And we have been talking about the liberal
judges and what they.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Have been doing.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Supreme Court in back to back rulings has given Trump
the ability to continue to maintain his.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Overall executive authority. Florida Gators get the win over the
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We both had three fourths of the final four and
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also one half of the championship game. By the way,
we're going to be joined by doctor Art Laffer. We're
trying to get you a wide variety of perspectives on
the trade dispute. Doctor Laffer had a really interesting Wall
Street Journal piece that was up in Yesterday's was up
yesterday online. I believe it's in today's newspaper about how
(31:37):
to resolve the trade disputes. One of the most brilliant
economists in the entire world, and so we will talk
with him about this tomorrow. Okay, something fun buck, Lots
of chaos going on, lots of craziness on a day
to day basis. I bet there are strong opinions on this.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There are reports this was the Time magazine cover that
we have brought back a company has. I read all
about this yesterday. I was fascinated by it yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
The dire Wolf, which is a bigger wolf than the
traditional wolf, has been thanks to using DNA code. A
company is saying they have brought the dire wolf back
from extinction after ten thousand years. Now.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Many of you are going to be familiar with the
idea of the dire wolf because you watched Game of
Thrones and the wolves in that Game of Thrones multi
year saga grew into gigantic killing machines from small puppies.
So I wanted to dive into this book back in
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the day.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
When you and I were young.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
The book before they made the movie Jurassic Park by
Michael Crichton. The entire concept is that they're able to
take the of the dinosaurs from these if I remember
correctly Mosquito's frozen and amber, and that they are then
able to extract that DNA to create new dinosaurs. And obviously,
(33:11):
the Jurassic Park franchise in terms of movies has remained
incredibly durable and powerful for thirty some odd years because
lots of people remain fascinated by dinosaurs in general, lots
of little boys, although not lots of little girls too.
I remember, I think you said your nephew knows everything
about dinosaurs. When I was a little kid, I knew
(33:32):
everything about dinosaurs. There is a great deal of interest still,
obviously in the Jurassic universe.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yes, and there are other species that could already be
brought back. I think, aren't they working on mastodons or
the wooly mammoth? For sure? Maybe the mastodon, the wooly
mammoth I think is basically going to happen. In the
article that I read, they are going to bring back
the sabertooth tiger. They are going they're going to bring back.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So my question, I'm fascinated by what the reaction of
this audience, too good or bad? And let me give
you a question to think about this buck. I was
just out in Colorado over spring break, and I bet
we have a lot of people listening in Colorado right now.
And I know this has turned into a major issue
all over the West. They have reintroduced wolves in lots
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of states and communities where the wolf had basically been eradicated.
And if you have a ranch, ranchers are furious about
this because suddenly what I was told I was in Colorado,
They're like, yeah, everybody in Boulder and Denver decided they
wanted to vote to bring back wolves, and all the
people who live in rural Colorado are like thanks, jerks like,
(34:45):
we have no interest in bringing back wolves, and suddenly
our livestock are getting killed and we're having to worry
about something that we had eradicated. My thought is, now,
these dire wolves, there are three of them that they
say they have brought back, two boys and a that
they named Romulus and Remus, and one girl pop Will
they like in Jurassic Park, eventually find their way out
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and then they're suddenly circulating in the community. They say
that the dire wolf basically covered all of North America
back in the day ten thousand years ago. If you
were out, this thing was from Canada all the way
down into South America. They basically roamed free. They were
wiped out about ten thousand years ago. What is your
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take on the idea, not only of the dire wolf,
saber too, tiger wooly mammoth being bringing back extinct animals
good or bad move?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
What's your take?
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I love the book Jurassic Park, as all of you know,
and so I find this a fascinating entry into the
scientific annals that is going on right now. I think that, man,
the truth is this the same way that you know.
I've never been to I've been to Africa, but I
love knowing that there's all these incredible I'm sorry, I
(36:03):
have been to Africa. That's not true, but I've never
been on safari in Africa, but that I've been to
places where there are no safaris. They've been in some
rough parts of Africa, but I've never I've never done safari,
but I love knowing that there are lions and hippopotami
and all that stuff. So I think that it's tough
for us to separate out the concept of it. This
(36:23):
is why when you brought up the ranchers. I think
that's very afro po, the concept of it versus the
reality of it. You know, a saber tooth tiger is
fine until saber too tiger eats your grandma and then
you're pretty it. This actually came up if you you
remember when this I think it was Cecil the Lion
was the big story and Jimmy Kim they killed him, yes,
(36:45):
and it was like him was like crying on TV
about Cecil the Lion in Africa, who on a lawful
hunt was shot. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Cecil the light
is crying. And look, I love animals, so I get that.
And there's something that's, you know, like I love my
little dog Ginger so much, and yet I'm I'm gonna
lamb shops right for dinner. Like I understand some of
(37:07):
this stuff. We get a little. It's about sentimentality over
pure logic. Okay, But that all said, there was a
really interesting Wall Street Journal article that I remember from
that time, written by I think he was a student
at Harvard or Princeton, who was like, you know what
lions mean in my village? Yeah? I read the people
get eaten? Yeah, like this isn't a game to us,
(37:27):
like we actually have to control the population because they'll
eat your dad, they'll eat your sister, Like, you know,
this is a real thing that happens to real people,
which reminds me of that movie Ghost in the Darkness,
based on a true story. And I know you all
know this and you can go see the stuffed carcasses
of those lions and I'm in a zoo and I'm
in a museum in Chicago. Wasn't Val Kilmer in that movie?
(37:49):
That just yeah, yeah, it was a Valkilmer movie with
Michael Douglas. Kind of a weird casting of Michael Douglas,
but anyway, Val Kilmer was good in it. And that's
based on a true story. I mean, these lie became
habituated to eating people and they're like, wow, people are
slow and kind of weak, like let's just eat them instead.
So this is all a way to say, I think
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for you know, should we bring back dodo birds?
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Totally, like should we bring back species that? But you know,
this is where you also get into clay. I'm here
in South Florida and you have the Boa constrictors and
and also what do you call them? The big. They
look like little dragons on ias. Yeah, yeah, and they
(38:35):
are invasive. Well, boas are definitely an invasive species. I
think iguanas are two. I don't think they're native to hear.
They're basically pets that have escaped and now they're killing
all the native you know, ecosystem animals off, so you
have to go hunt them and deal with them. True thing. Also,
you know that little brown bird that you guys all
think of, the European house sparrow, probably the most common
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bird in the entire United States everywhere, a little kind
of round squat bird. They're an invasive species from Europe
and they have killed off a lot of native bird
species because they will break into another bird's nest and
break their eggs. They're mean, they're mean little birds. The
honeybee is an invasive species. Well, but we like honeybees.
(39:19):
This is, I guess the point, right, We like that
honey People don't realize this. North America, until colonization, had
no honeybees anywhere, and then they slowly spread across the
entirety of the North American continent. But they were a
invasive species that otherwise didn't exist here. Some of you
will remember this too. There was a fear about fire
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ants and how they're going to keep spreading up and
spreading up, and you know, they're dangerous to people if
you step on one of their anhills. And there was
a briefly discussed proposal that I remember reading about the
only real, real natural predators for the fire ants. They
were thinking, maybe we should introduce it's a South American
anteater which has like six inch long claws and weighs
(40:02):
like two hundred pounds. And then they're like, well, if
we introduce that, what's its natural predatory Jaguars? So you
create all these problems, the food.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Chain gets dangerous. Okay, So I am in favor of this.
Here is my thing as a pet, yes or no?
Once they reintroduced you, no, no, no, I'm in favor
of it only for keeping them in captivity. And I
understand some of you are going to say, yeah, that's
the whole point of Jurassic Park. But I like it
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also for endangered species now because in theory, it would
mean there should be no animal that actually vanishes, right,
you should be able to get the existing DNA of
all animals that are alive on Earth today, and we
should be able to create a genetic Noah's Arc of
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all living animals here today and be able to create them.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Now, I don't want if I'm a think.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
About this in terms of the farmers out there and
the ranchers, the idea that you would reintroduce grizzly bears
or wolves that are going to attack my livestock is
I think different than this.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I would nothing else produce these animals, something else that
that would be on the on the docket here go. Uh,
I believe it's I believe it's called a short faced bear.
Go look up the short faced bear and it's like
a grizzly bear times three. It's a massive land predator. Uh.
That they could also along with the saber it's from
(41:35):
the same era as a saber tooth tiger. They could
also bring that one back. And I think that you know,
you're starting to see we definitely don't want that, right.
I mean, that's that's gonna be the same way that
polar polar bears hunt people. It's really the only North
American land animal. Yeah, I know, grizzlies can wolf has
never actually attacked healthy wolves have never attacked the human
(41:55):
being in the history of North America is at least
what you that's what they announced me. You're gonna say no,
but that's what they say. Okay, that's what the official
statistics are. The wolves won't attack people if they're healthy.
If they're a rabid, that's different. Polar bear see you,
and they're like food food, they do. There's no offens
or butts, and the same thing would be true of
a short faced bear. So you know some of the thing.
(42:17):
Let me hit you with this one, buck. My boys
are obsessed with the megalodon, which is just a giant shark.
In theory, the dire wolf can be kept in inside
of a fenced enclosure and everything else. My concern on
this would be that we would start.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
To create big, massive animals that are in the water,
and those are a lot harder to control. Have you
ever been ton to, say, for instance, the Atlanta Aquarium
where they have the whale sharks. You know, they've never
been able to, for instance, keep I believe this is
still true, a great white shark in captivity. They just
(42:54):
they're impossible to keep inside of museums or aquariums, anything
like that. My concern is that some of these that
we will create will get out. And can you imagine
a world where suddenly you have, instead of a great
white shark, you've got the megalodon suddenly like rolling around
in the ocean deep. That starts to get a little
bit scarier to me. But I think it's the reality
(43:16):
of where we are going. I think you're going to
see all of these extinct animals genetically us able to
bring them back. Now, one more thing, as we go
to break some people are saying this is not the
real animal because of the way they're doing the DNA coding,
and that gets way more complicated and above my pay grade.
But I have read some of those critiques as well.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us. We got a lot of you
weighing in with a variety of questions and let's hit
some of these Selena Zito is scheduled to join us.
He's got a Washington Post op ed about the manufacturing
universe right now in the Midwest. She's done a great
(45:34):
job covering that era area for some time and the
era of the Trump Midwest surge. So we'll talk about
that when she reaches out to us. And she is
now with us now, so we bring in Selena Zito.
She has got a op ed in the Washington Post
where she has been spending time with Midwestern workers. Selena,
I'm curious what you're hearing from people in the Midwest,
(45:57):
an area that used to be the manufacturing of America
that has certainly dried up in many different ways. Jade
Vance has been a huge part of his political career
as talking about the jobs that no longer exist in
the Midwest. What are you hearing from voters in the Midwest,
How do you think this tariff war plays for them?
And how would you assess the politics of what's going
(46:21):
on right now?
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. You know,
I cover a different world, very different than you know,
sort of the very online world, and where I'm at
in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. You know, the heart of the
Great Lakes Midwest, in Appalachia. These people here are very
happy with the tariffs. They have spent the past forty years,
(46:47):
whether it was themselves or their parents or their grandparents,
watching these communities, these churches, the tax spase in their
communities being decimated, and nobody even wrote a story. I mean,
I'm obvious being a little exaggerating here, but there wasn't
this big overt worry about their lives right when when
(47:09):
all their jobs were lost, when everything was taken away
from them. And so they look at it two ways.
They look at it as being patriotic, bringing back American manufacturing,
sacrificing in their four oh one k for the betterment
of the country. But they also look at it as
(47:31):
leveling the pill of playing field. And it's not just manufacturing.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
Talk to a ranter, they're happy, right, Talk to a manufacturer,
small businessman like Tyler Merritt down in Savannah, Georgia, the guy.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Who owns nine line.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
He's thrilled.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
You know, these guys are thrilled. And these are the
people that placed Donald Trump into office. It was the
working class that was at the heart of this election.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
What'd you learn Selena specifically from and thanks for being
here with us. When you went to in West mifflind
Pennsylvania a steel mill and you talk to the folks
at the mill, I mean, just what were your biggest
takeaways both from seeing that operation. I think very few
people who don't work in a steel mill have ever
really been inside one, and also their sense of what
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would they say to people who claim, well, but we
can never make steel the way they do as cheaply
as they do in China, so why even try?
Speaker 6 (48:33):
Right?
Speaker 5 (48:33):
So if people know and check my Twitter feed out,
zdo Selena. I've put the story up for free. It's
a Washington Post story. It is a very detailed, long read,
and it really puts you into the heart of why
people feel the way they do. This isn't just a
steel mill. This is the first steel mill. This is
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the granddaddy of the mall. That was an eighty six
year old hot rolling mill that I spent the day
watching work and watching the men and women work around it.
And these workers who would traditionally be born Democrats. Right
in western Pa, you're usually born Catholic and Democrats. It
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just like goes together. They are the perfect example of
how the coalitions in American politics have dramatically changed, and
now that the Republican Party or the Conservative Populist Party
is now the party that embraces the working man and women,
(49:39):
and so they're very happy and they're willing to take
a bite out of out of their four oh one
case if it means that this will be better for
the future generations. And that's the way these union guys talk.
Like a lot of those union workers that you'll in
(50:00):
the story, they're towards the end of their career, right
they're in their fifties. They said, this isn't about me.
This is about the guy that just started at the
plant two weeks ago. Guys before me did this and
took sacrifices, and my I'm to pay it forward and
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make sure that they are able to retire when they
termed sixty Selena.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
One of the real challenges, and we played a cut
from Trump talking about this, is investment and business management,
building a factory. Those sorts of things take years. In
other words, as you just laid out, it's taken a
couple of generations for all of these jobs to dry up.
This is not something where a light switch got flipped
and things changed. What is the trajectory of changing this
(50:50):
culture that we created where the jobs don't exist? How
long does it take? And to be fair, is anything?
Is this anything that one president can do or do
we have to string together a lot of presidents that
see this as an issue in order to reverse what's
happened too.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
I'm so glad you asked that. Last week I reported
out a story there was the law the tallest coal
stack smokestack in the country was blasted and fell. Its
very traumatic. It is very sad for a coal fired
power plant. Ten days later, because this site is shovel ready,
(51:31):
they announced they are starting. They've already started to turn
this plant into a natural gas plant to facilitate not
just the electricity in Pennsylvania, Maryland and parts of New York.
It's going to be the largest electric power plant in
the country. It is also going to power a data
(51:51):
center for an AI data center. There are going to
be ten thousand new jobs. That's and and it is
a ten billion dollar investment. And that's not even before
the AI data center is built. You know, Bergmann was there.
He was I was at a racking site, a racking
well and he said, Look, our job right now is
(52:15):
to build, build, build. It's more than drill drill, drill,
because this is like the arms race. AI is like
the arms race, and we have to win in this country.
And he pointed to the fact that there are places
like that coal fired power plant and Homer City all
over the industrial Midwest that are ready and capable to
(52:39):
be built. So I think that is where the new construction,
the new jobs. And these aren't just working class jobs.
These aren't just welders, these aren't just artisans that work
with their hands. There are geologists there, chemists, engineers, men
and women with degrees in AI and technology. So it
(53:01):
is a broad reconstruction of how the American economy and
how the American worker approaches the next generation.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
It's fascinating, Selena. You know, you're giving us this other
perspective than what you'd get if you were to flip
on CNBC. It's the sky is falling. And yet if
you go into some of these places like you have,
where people have seen what happens with the offshoring of
American jobs and de industrialization of certain industries, that they're
(53:32):
they're excited about the future. I just wonder you know
what you think the hopes are and the plans are
in these areas. If Trump is able to continue on
this path, what does that start to look like? What
towns are affected? What industries do you think can boom?
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Well, energy is at the top of the list, but
also artificial intelligence, Right, those are the two big booms.
If energy is going well, then that means farming is
going well because of you know, energy and farming go
really hand in hand together. And I think one of
the big things as part of these tariffs is to
(54:10):
give a boost to our American farmer and rancher. So
those are industries you see right then and there, and
then we can talk about our universities. Right our universities
will will will have a bit of a turnaround and
what they focus on. You know, maybe it's not your kids.
You send your kid off for French literature, you know,
(54:31):
maybe they go to school for things that are going
to recreate these communities. The footprint is already there in
places like Indiana, Pennsylvania, or West Miffland, Pennsylvania, or Claysville, Pennsylvania,
and all across and not just in Pennsylvania. It's in Ohio,
(54:52):
it's in Michigan. It's in Wisconsin. Use these places are
already there, and these universe cities already have sort of
the grain to begin these kinds of of new new
degrees that young people can go for. But also the trades.
(55:13):
Like you guys, I'm sure you've talked or listen to
Mike grow you know, the trades are also where we
are going to see a growth and jobs that create
real prosperity, where people can live in the same hometown
that their parents grew up in if they want to, right,
and that that generational investment in a community that's worth
(55:39):
more than money in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Selena, how optimistic are you? You know, we hear a
lot of hey, everything is burning down, the world's on fire.
Based on what you have seen in the reporting that
you have done, how would you accept your overall optimism?
Speaker 5 (55:59):
I think the optimism is great. It's you know, I
straddle two different, very different worlds. When I step on
social media, I see a very different attitude in the
world than what I see and feeling here out here
in the middle of the country, and it's it's always
remarkable to me. And it's sort of like when I
(56:20):
said to President Trump in twenty sixteen when I was
covering him, I said, you know, voters take you seriously,
but they don't take you literally. And my profession takes
everything you say literally and not so seriously. And and
it's still it's that same sort of dichotomy, right It's
it's it's very different in the middle of the country
(56:43):
and in particular among young people. You know, you see
all these protests out there, and they got a lot
of play on social media and the national news. However,
I would argue American politics is all about edition. If
you go to any of these rallies, try to find
(57:03):
someone that's changed their mind, you likely can't because they're
the same people that voted for who lost last November.
So they're not adding anything new. And I think that's
the challenge right now for anything that is against what
President Trump and the Republicans are trying to accomplish. I
(57:28):
was four feet away from President Trump in Butler in
July thirteenth of last year. In fact, I have a
book coming out about it. But one thing I can
tell you in the day after I talked to him,
In the days after I talked to him, he had
this fundamental understanding that there was a reason that he
(57:48):
did not die that day because so many there's so
many reasons why he shouldn't have survived what happened. But
because of that, he will be forever changed and deeals
this urgency to do something because he was given that
moment to be sick.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Selena, selenas you doo. Yeah, great, great work as always,
Thanks for your piece to Washington Post and everything you
do to cover this. And up at clayanbuck dot com. Guys,
we've got her up ed linked there if you just
want to go and grab it quickly we give it
a read. You absolutely should. Selena, thank you so much.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Oh sounds great. Thanks so much, guys.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
Does great work and we'll have some fun a lot
of great talkbacks. Will play them for you when we
come back to close out the Tuesday edition of the program.
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
In Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, congratulations to
the Florida Gators. Buck Sexton and I both nailed it,
said the Florida Gators are going to win the NCAA tournament.
They did in a really fun game last night. We'll
maybe have a little bit of fun with that. Buck's wife, Carrie,
is a Florida Gator alum, and I know many of
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you out there listening across the country are Gator fans
as well, Houston Cougar fans.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Probably great season.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Probably not going to be as angry at me today
and the talkbacks as they were yesterday. Since Florida one
covered as I told you they were going to do,
we'll have some fun with that. We also will continue
to be CNBC and Fox Business. Since everybody is suddenly
obsessed with what the day to day movement of the
stock market is, let me go ahead and tell you
(00:52):
right off the top.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The Dow is up roughly one thousand points today. For
those of you who have been obsessively following the stock
market during the Trump battle, S and P five hundred
up about two and a half points two and a
half percent, that is, and the NASDAC up about two
and a half percent. So I am your business a
(01:17):
business beat writer here giving you the absolute latest on
the stock market. In all seriousness, stock market is bouncing
back quite a lot, as we told you it was
likely to do. And I saw Buck something that I
thought kind of perfectly epitomized the way the market is
being used to attack Trump right now. CNN yesterday, when
(01:40):
the stock market was down, had the stock market ticker
on their screen constantly all day long. Hey it's down, this,
it's down that Today the stock market is surging, going
to have one of its best days in probably months,
maybe years. And CNN at the time that I was
watching it not have the ticker showing that it was
(02:02):
back up substantially. But again general lesson here. They are
going to use whatever they can to attack Trump. The
stock market is going to go up, and it's going
to go down. I told you if it's below where
it is today eighteen months from now, and if the
inflation is up, I'll come on and I'll wear a
clown costume and I'll tell you, hey, you know what,
(02:23):
I was totally wrong. I think it's going to resolve itself.
I think by the summer, many of these trade disputes
will be decided. The battle with China is going to
be longer lasting because China has been for decades now
taking advantage of the global free trade marketplace to rig
it game in its favor, and it will take a
long time, I think, to potentially get a resolution there.
(02:47):
But we told you at some point water is going
to find its level. The markets have seemingly adjusted to
this trade war that is now underway. Big drops Thursday, Friday,
big bounce back today, and we will see kind of
how this plays out. But I think you should know
that the main attack here is just find anything that
(03:08):
is negative and decide to use it as a cudgel
against Trump. Other news today, Buck's last radio show as tomorrow.
You're gonna be on tomorrow too, Yeah, yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Thought you were out. I thought you were out my
last full day. And for those of you are saying, like,
how do you know it could happen, Yes, it could happen,
like in five minutes. Let's let's hope. K not because
I'm the middle of the show, but I would go
with my wife at the hospital. But because the baby's
gotten a little big the doctors would like us to induce.
So that's why you were inducing tomorrow. But you're gonna
be on the show tomorrow. I'm gonna be on the show, Toro.
(03:47):
I'm finishing the show tomorrow, grabbing my go bag with
the wifey going to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, I thought you were at the hospital tomorrow. Okay,
So Buck has one more show.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'm actually gonna do a live segment from the hospital
during the they'd like, yes, Clay. Here, I am seventh
floor of the Miami the sideline reporter of the baby delivery. Okay,
I thought today was the last day You'll be in
tomorrow and then the baby is scheduled to arrive. So
Buck in his final moments of getting ready for a
baby to arrive. All right, what's your take as we
(04:18):
sit here in the stock market does as the stock
market does bounce back, how many days in a row
do you think it would need to bounce back for
the latest? Oh my goodness, the world is burning down.
Remember when it was the first term, everything Trump did
world War three would trend, you know he would. And
when he killed Solimani, it was immediately every decision that
(04:40):
he made was in some way going to lead to
imminent catastrophe, and then by and large none of that occurred.
And the one thing that actually caused the biggest calamity
was something he was not responsible for at all, which
was COVID escaping from a Chinese lab in you know,
January of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And now that sort of set the whole world on fire.
But Trump had nothing at all to do with having
caused it in any way, unless you want to say, hey,
Fauci had something to do with it from years and
years ago, which I think is fair based on gain
of function research. But you would think that people would
have learned their lesson. But they just have to run
around these left wingers and many of their legacy media
(05:21):
allies as if we are in the midst of an
unprecedented catastrophe over and over again, and the catastrophe is
constantly shifting. The signal leaked Jeffrey Goldberg Atlantic story was
gonna burn everything down. Now that's completely gone, and the
new thing is, oh, Trump's tariff battle is going to
(05:43):
destroy the world. That's the new calamity.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Well, they've had to come to grips with something in
the anti Trump media, which is that their credibility in
the public's mind. And I mean that broadly. I mean
that even for Trump voters, right, it's just evaporated. We're
in a totally different world now. Just the front page
of the New York Times is not enough to convince
(06:07):
someone of anything's truth anymore. Broadly, everyone recognizes, I think,
much more clearly than ever before, that the media is
running anti Trump ops on a regular basis, choosing what
to cover, how they cover at everything, and so clay.
They no longer have the ability, They no longer have
the ability to induce there's that word again, to induce
(06:31):
panic across the country the same way. Now. Their audience
still demands it and wants it at some level, but
even they, I think, have become a little bit numb
to Trump panic syndrome. The synapses are kind of fried.
For the Libs, they can't get themselves quite as freaked
out now because we were told even a matter of
(06:52):
what six months ago, that he would be hitler, and
now we're seeing no, it's actually fine. It's all fine, Libs.
You know, this was the one thing when I was
with Bill Maher on his show, and you know, he
just had dinner with Trump, recently. Yes, I tried the
one thing that I tried to convince him of that
I thought I might make a little ground, as I said,
I promise you Trump is not Hitler and it's all
going to be fine. And he refused, He said, I disagree.
(07:12):
I think the country's over if he wins. Well, now
we just went and had dinner with him. So put
that one. Put one in the column for the Buckster
was speaking truth to mister Bill maher on that obviously,
So Clay, this is the administration continuing to keep promises.
And also I think to be very focused on what
the agenda is irrespective of whatever the media says. And
(07:36):
that's the Trump doesn't give a you know what about
what they say. Is actually a powerful political tool right now,
or it's a powerful political reality, and I think he
should continue to do this. They also, we haven't mentioned it.
We'll get into it more later. Supreme Court just came
down five to four on the Alien Enemies Act deportations,
(07:57):
and the White House is going to be able to
continue to do that. And I know there's a change
of venue. We can get into some of those specifics,
but it is not in fact the case that this
was open and shot Trump can't do There's no actually
Trump can, So we should continue to look at that
as well. But I think on the economic side of things,
they're really running out of stuff to tell us is
(08:20):
going to cause the depression because of Trump? Right, They're
running out of levers to pull here on this one.
Because if this was supposed to be Black Monday, as
they were saying, as Kramer said, to whatever degree anyone
thinks that guy should be listened to, I think the
answer should be almost not at all. But what are
they going to keep saying?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
This?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Is this going to be the walls they're closing in
with the impeachments all over again? You know, I think
that they still are completely ineffectual at their efforts to
derail this administration, which is to the benefit of the
American people.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I think that's totally true, and I think it's important. Again,
I'm pulling up since I'm the stock market reporter right now.
You know, your stocks are basically the exact same price
as they were in May of last year, so eleven
months ago. If you did not feel as I would
(09:15):
imagine most of you did not eleven months ago, if
you did not feel like you were on the verge
of imploding. Then stocks go up, they go down, and
I believe that we will soon, you know, continue that
that upswing in the Trump era over the next couple
(09:37):
of years. But you don't know when This average stock
market price, you know, in every year on average goes
up eight or nine percent, but there's a wide range
of how that can go. And I would just say,
look at prices back in May of last year. If
you weren't panicked, if you weren't sitting around staring at
the walls thinking to yourself, oh my goodness, how am
I going to live? Probably take a breath and and
(10:00):
realize that you're okay.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, well, Clay, beyond that, though, you know that the
stock market is just an indicator. Let's talk about America
and the economy as well. Here they said, meaning the
people that are freaked out about Trump as a profession,
they said that he was going to crash the stock
market with this. He didn't. Okay, it didn't happen. And
this is probably the moment of maximum disruption as it
(10:25):
relates to market perception. Because we'll get into some of
these specifics. There's negotiations ongoing this country's come forward and said, hey,
let's figure this out. Fifty countries plus already have said
all right, let's get a deal going here. So there
will be a greater degree of market certainty and a
greater degree of the economy is okay, right. The perception
(10:46):
of stability will create additional stability with this, which I
think also Clay goes to Trump and his team understand
these fundamental currents within the economy, not just the stock market,
about manufacturing, about trade, about employment, about the price of gas,
the price of eggs, the price of mortgages. All of
(11:08):
these things are in consideration, and this team knows what
they are doing and is trying to achieve something. You know,
you can just tell the Democrats were hoping. They were
hoping for the stock market to go down forty percent yesterday, yes,
because that would in their minds, that would be okay,
we're back baby, the end of the Trump presidency. It
didn't happen, and now we're going to see who's right
(11:31):
and who's wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And I definitely think again, for all of you out there,
just trust to the extent you trust us on anything,
eight or nine percent a year every ten years, the
S and P five hundred, it is going to double.
If you really significantly get sick to your stomach watching
(11:53):
the stock market, then don't pay a lot of attention
to the stock market and recognize that whatever is not
going a little bit perfectly, they are going to immediately
weaponize against Trump. And you don't make decisions typically in
your own life on a day to day basis. You
would never I think this analogy is so good. You
(12:13):
would never look at what Zillo says the value of
your house is and be like, oh my goodness, I've
got to sell my house right now. Your house is
constantly fluctuating in price. You have no idea what it's
going to be worth. Most people do well on their
houses because there is a significant cost associated with selling
a home. With moving. Most people move into a house
(12:36):
and they stay there for years. And if you do that,
if you make a solid decision, the best financial decision
most people make is buying a house and holding on
to it. Same thing's true also of stocks. We'll take
some of your calls. By the way, We're also scheduled
to be joined by Selena Zito, who does a good
job of reporting from out in the Midwest. Kind of
the middle part of the country about what she's seeing
(12:58):
on the road and what she's seeing and all these
different communities.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, her calling card for a lot of us who
remember the twenty sixteen election is she was the one
who said that people in the media and the Democrats
took Trump literally but not seriously, when they should have
taken him seriously but not literally. And also was reporting
from russ Belt flyover whatever you want to call the
de industrialized areas of the country and said, no, I'm
(13:25):
talking about twenty sixteen now, right when this was still
shock to a lot of people, she was doing that
reporting saying, no, people are really it, this is a movement,
this is real. So she's got an update now eight
years later on that for us that I think Klay
would be really interesting to hear, no doubt. In the meantime,
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Speaker 2 (15:07):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. Okay, I understand,
and it feels like getting a law degree was actually
a good decision solely based on being in media, because
there are so many court decisions that are constantly coming down,
not only when Trump was running for office, but now
(15:30):
as a part of the Trump era.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So let me hit you with the latest ruling.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That just came down in the last What am I
looking at this in the last twenty minutes or so?
The Supreme Court headline at the Wall Street Journal, Supreme
Court lets Trump fire federal employees. The Supreme Court on
Tuesday lifted a lower court order that blocked the Trump
administration from firing sixteen thousand federal employees, saying that these
(15:59):
organizations that claim they were harmed lack legal standing to
challenge the layoffs. Order was unsigned, but two liberal justices
opposed it, suggesting that it was it would have otherwise
been a seven to two decision. This was to overturn
an injunction put in place by the US District Court
(16:23):
Judge Alsop in San Francisco requiring the reinstatement of all
of these employees that the Trump administration was seeking dismiss. Okay,
So what's going on there? Also was the decision that
came down relating to Trump's executive power to deport individuals
from this trenda ragua gang. Basically, the Supreme Court is
(16:47):
coming in and slapping down these federal nationwide injunctions that
are being put in place by these district court judges.
So Trump's executive authority and power is being reinforced by
the Supreme Court, which is telling these federal district court
judges you have to lift these injunctions. Now, we talked
(17:10):
about this. The Trump two point zero resistance is not
coming from the legacy media. It's not even coming from
the Democrat Party. It's coming from left wing judges at
the district court level that are deciding to try to
enjoin that is stopped basically Trump from undertaking his executive authority.
And we talked about it within the context Historically, Trump
(17:34):
has more nationwide injunctions than Biden had in four years already,
than Obama had in four years already. These judges are
trying to throw themselves to thwart the Trump agenda and
forcing the Supreme Court to come in and say, hey,
you can't do this.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, I think it's also important context that not only
the number that you laid out shows that something is
clearly a miss here, right, four years versus sixty days,
and he already has more injunctions. But also Clay, in
both cases of Obama and Biden, those were presidents who
said openly I don't have the authority to do this thing,
(18:13):
and then did the thing. So those are those are
presidents who were reckless about the use of executive power,
just just flagrantly making stuff up doing you know, when
you're talking about, oh is it the administration, look look
at what they use against Trump. It's the Administrative Procedures Act.
Was all due notice given in all the forms checked
(18:34):
before you can fire a single of federal employee. With
Obama or with with Biden, it was, yeah, you don't
owe money to the student loans anymore. You know, we're
just gonna make that go away for you. Right, We're
talking about big things that they had clearly no authority
to do whatsoever. So I just think that when you
keep it and when you have it in that context, clearly,
(18:55):
you know, right leaning judges are like, look, you know,
I may not like what's going on here, but unless
they violate the law, clearly, I'm not going to try
to step in. Left wing judges are I don't like Trump.
I'm going to find a way to stop him. Perfect
example of this judge Boseburg, who has really become the
pinnacle of the resistance. You know that he wasn't supposed
to get the case. I just heard this the other day.
(19:18):
It was amazing. He wasn't the judge on duty for
the flight leaving. You know, remember, first of all, this
is in DC, and why is this falling undo the
DC jurisdiction. There's all these questions. But Clay, he stepped
in and was like, oh no, I want this one.
That's not how that That's not how that's supposed to work.
The judge that hates the president isn't supposed to shove
(19:40):
aside other judges in the rotation. Think about this, Clay.
You know, if somebody was charged with murder and some
judge shoved another judge out of the way, Oh no,
I want this case because everybody knows I hate this defendant.
Nobody would think that was okay. It's exactly what Boseburg did.
And also, all these federal district court judges really do
think that if they oppose Trump, they're also setting themselves
(20:03):
up for promotion, because again, for those of you out there,
and I understand sometimes your head rolls back into your
head over this. There's the federal District court judge level,
which is the lowest level of the district court judges.
Then there's the Circuit Court, and then there's the Supreme Court.
So these lowest level judges are trying to put in place,
(20:26):
like this guy from San Francisco is trying to put
in place a ruling that applies nationwide, and eventually it
works its way into the Supreme Court, and they say no.
And remember the precedent that they're putting in place about
executive power and executive authority applies for all future presidents.
So what they're trying to do is Trump resistance two
(20:48):
point zero is almost exclusively the province so far of
the judiciary. And to your point, Buck, it certainly is
interesting that all these judges claiming that they are trying
to def in the Constitution from an authoritarian dictator. Actually
the Supreme Court is saying, time after time, Trump has
the right to be able to do what he's doing.
(21:10):
And I think it's important to point out that Biden
knew many times when he was taking action, for instance,
when it came to the extension of the lack of
evictions under FEMA authority, that he didn't have the ability
to do that, and he even said, this will just
(21:30):
buy a few more months for us to be able
to keep this policy in place. He defied what he
knew the law was. Trump on so many of these,
so many of these legal issues when he gets up
against these resistance judges, Clay, how many times have we
been told and all these people like I'm especially the
former Conservatives or former Republicans out there, you know who
(21:50):
they are.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I'm so I'm so principled. What Trump is doing is
flagrantly violating the Constitution. And then it turns out when
real judges look at it, they go, no, this is
he has the power to do this time and again,
remember the so called Muslim band that wasn't a Muslim ban.
It was a countries that can't vet and have a
lot of terrorsts coming out of them ban.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, they said he couldn't do that. He ended
up being u correct on that. The courts eventually upheld
it right. They made some kind of a modification to
the first order to clarify, but it wasn't some crazy idea.
It was based on Obama administration designations of terror supporting countries.
But they just they have no ability Trump arrangement syndrome.
(22:35):
It's so tiring, isn't it, Clay. They can't They keep
telling you they're objective. They can't be objective when it
comes to this guy.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
What about Crazily Remember when the Colorado is Supreme I know,
everybody just tries to forget all this stuff happened. You
don't hear it talked about very often, But the Colorado
Supreme Court said Trump couldn't be on the ballot. Yeah,
And it went all the way to the United States
Supreme Court and all these people out there, we're saying, well,
(23:01):
under the Confederate you know, clause of the whatever it was,
the fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth Amendment. I don't even remember what
the specific battle was, but it was one of those
they said, this is a really difficult legal issue. I
think there's a very strong case that he shouldn't be
able to be on the ballots at all. I remember
reading all these editorials in the New York Times, and
(23:22):
then the Supreme Court said no, nine, oh, you can't
do this, and when you get slapped down no by
the United States Supreme Court and trying to argue, actually,
they have the right to do this. I think a
lot of people it was Lucy and Charlie Brown, you know,
are you really.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's the football going to get pulled, football going to
get pulled.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
In New York Times saying no, this is a really
legitimate legal argument that they've made, and then the Supreme
Court says, nine, No, you can't do this, Colorado Clay.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was the Democrat Apparatus that was telling us just
a year ago that you can prosecute a president criminally
for decisions that he makes as president. Right, think about that.
I don't like the air strike he did throw them in. Yeah,
that was effectively the argument that they were making. The
(24:12):
Supreme Court had to clarify. No, if he's acting within
presidential capacity, you can't say that's a criminal matter. It's
a his discretion matter. But they needed that to be clarified, right,
I mean, yeah, I think if we could run a
tape play the whole show of CNN Legal experts in
New York Times legal experts, you're just wrong over and
(24:34):
over and to your point, in some of these cases,
they're wrong nine. Oh yeah, has to be like, you
guys are insane, even who is herself insane?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, even this with the San Francisco District judge, everybody's
telling us, oh, we don't know whether the president has authority.
We told you on this show. Yeah, this is the
very province of presidential authority. Even this was seven to two.
You know, even this order striking down what the San
Francisco judge did was very clearly telling him this is
(25:04):
not within the province of your powers. The president has
the ability to do this. And again, this is why
so many of these rulings are not designed to win.
They're designed to delay. It's it's like if you're if
you're putting you know, back in the day, somebody's on
the train tracks and you're trying to just put a
bunch of burning logs on them. Your goal is not
(25:27):
to end the ability of the train track to exist.
It's just to slow everything down. It's all dilatory tactics,
that's all that's going on here. And you know in
this order about the this is the one that just
came down.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That is it's essentially saying, hey, you can't the judge
that said you have to rehire. Everybody needs to needs
to slow as slow his role here. Slow slow the
role here because the people that brought the suit to
get them reinstated don't even have standing right, correct, So
they have no right to be in core on this issue.
In the final you can't just suit. You can't just
(26:03):
go to a federal judge and say, hey, some federal
employees somewhere else got fired and I don't like that,
So hey, judge, I know you hate Trump. Can you
make them hire them back? And the fact that a
lower court judge Clay went along with this sham, it
just shows you how insane these people are and they
don't care. They simply don't care. This is a federal
(26:23):
judge in Baltimore that ordered the administration to reinstate thousands
of fired probationary workers. One federal judge can say that
you have to rehire thousands of people in the federal
government because some nonprofit has brought a lawsuit in his court.
Get out of here. This is when a judge tried
to tell the President that he had to turn a
plane around and return. Yeah, ton, I mean that's a
(26:43):
pretty I'm actually glad. I'm glad that he did that,
because that really that was he overplayed his hand big time,
and everyone saw that for what it was. By the way,
because if you can do that, he can say, hey,
turn the F eighteen around, not allowed to bomb the
nuclear reactor and around. By the way, breaking news on
the tariffs, the White House has now imposed one hundred
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and four percent tariffs on China, effective immediately, in response
to China's response to us. So we are this is
a trade war. Just to be clear, this with China,
we are entering trade war territory. The other countries are allies.
We're gonna figure out a nice deal. But China, Clay,
wouldn't you agree, I mean, that's this is a trade
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war now.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Oh yeah, it's the gloves are off with China right now.
So we'll break into that in a little bit more details.
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Podcasts Now We're going to go talk with journalists Selena Zito,
who did a great job covering Trump in the Midwest.
We'll talk to her at the bottom half of this hour.
We've been giving you the absolute latest on everything that's
taking place in the markets. Markets have come back down,
but they are still in the green that as they
are still positive for the day. Trump versus China has accelerated,
(29:27):
with the tariff on Chinese goods going to over one
hundred percent. I think it's important for many of you
out there to realize that we're really not talking about
one policy fits all. It's going to be very different,
but ultimately this trade battle is really about the United
States versus China. Yes, there's going to be some tension
with the European Union, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan, whoever else
(29:50):
you want to toss out there, But really this is
about the United States versus China. This is the big
battle to be fought. It's going to resolve itself in
the weeks and months ahead. But right now Trump is
retaliating for China's retaliation to US, and I guess the
next question, Buck, is will China retaliate again or is
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this move by Trump to put one hundred tariff on
all Chinese goods going to actually provoke China to say, Okay,
let's sit down, let's talk about a way to figure
this out. So we will see exactly how that pans out.
Bridge Colby committed, confirmed, not committed. We probably need to
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commit some Democrats, but not Bridge Colby and so he
is confirmed. And we have been talking about the liberal
judges and what they.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Have been doing.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Supreme Court in back to back rulings has given Trump
the ability to continue to maintain his.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Overall executive authority. Florida Gators get the win over the
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victory over Buck based on being better in the Sweet sixteen.
We both had three fourths of the final four and
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also one half of the championship game. By the way,
we're going to be joined by doctor Art Laffer. We're
trying to get you a wide variety of perspectives on
the trade dispute. Doctor Laffer had a really interesting Wall
Street Journal piece that was up in Yesterday's was up
yesterday online. I believe it's in today's newspaper about how
(31:37):
to resolve the trade disputes. One of the most brilliant
economists in the entire world, and so we will talk
with him about this tomorrow. Okay, something fun buck, Lots
of chaos going on, lots of craziness on a day
to day basis. I bet there are strong opinions on this.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There are reports this was the Time magazine cover that
we have brought back a company has. I read all
about this yesterday. I was fascinated by it yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
The dire Wolf, which is a bigger wolf than the
traditional wolf, has been thanks to using DNA code. A
company is saying they have brought the dire wolf back
from extinction after ten thousand years. Now.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Many of you are going to be familiar with the
idea of the dire wolf because you watched Game of
Thrones and the wolves in that Game of Thrones multi
year saga grew into gigantic killing machines from small puppies.
So I wanted to dive into this book back in
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the day.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
When you and I were young.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
The book before they made the movie Jurassic Park by
Michael Crichton. The entire concept is that they're able to
take the of the dinosaurs from these if I remember
correctly Mosquito's frozen and amber, and that they are then
able to extract that DNA to create new dinosaurs. And obviously,
(33:11):
the Jurassic Park franchise in terms of movies has remained
incredibly durable and powerful for thirty some odd years because
lots of people remain fascinated by dinosaurs in general, lots
of little boys, although not lots of little girls too.
I remember, I think you said your nephew knows everything
about dinosaurs. When I was a little kid, I knew
(33:32):
everything about dinosaurs. There is a great deal of interest still,
obviously in the Jurassic universe.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yes, and there are other species that could already be
brought back. I think, aren't they working on mastodons or
the wooly mammoth? For sure? Maybe the mastodon, the wooly
mammoth I think is basically going to happen. In the
article that I read, they are going to bring back
the sabertooth tiger. They are going they're going to bring back.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So my question, I'm fascinated by what the reaction of
this audience, too good or bad? And let me give
you a question to think about this buck. I was
just out in Colorado over spring break, and I bet
we have a lot of people listening in Colorado right now.
And I know this has turned into a major issue
all over the West. They have reintroduced wolves in lots
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of states and communities where the wolf had basically been eradicated.
And if you have a ranch, ranchers are furious about
this because suddenly what I was told I was in Colorado,
They're like, yeah, everybody in Boulder and Denver decided they
wanted to vote to bring back wolves, and all the
people who live in rural Colorado are like thanks, jerks like,
(34:45):
we have no interest in bringing back wolves, and suddenly
our livestock are getting killed and we're having to worry
about something that we had eradicated. My thought is, now,
these dire wolves, there are three of them that they
say they have brought back, two boys and a that
they named Romulus and Remus, and one girl pop Will
they like in Jurassic Park, eventually find their way out
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and then they're suddenly circulating in the community. They say
that the dire wolf basically covered all of North America
back in the day ten thousand years ago. If you
were out, this thing was from Canada all the way
down into South America. They basically roamed free. They were
wiped out about ten thousand years ago. What is your
(35:31):
take on the idea, not only of the dire wolf,
saber too, tiger wooly mammoth being bringing back extinct animals
good or bad move?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
What's your take?
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I love the book Jurassic Park, as all of you know,
and so I find this a fascinating entry into the
scientific annals that is going on right now. I think that, man,
the truth is this the same way that you know.
I've never been to I've been to Africa, but I
love knowing that there's all these incredible I'm sorry, I
(36:03):
have been to Africa. That's not true, but I've never
been on safari in Africa, but that I've been to
places where there are no safaris. They've been in some
rough parts of Africa, but I've never I've never done safari,
but I love knowing that there are lions and hippopotami
and all that stuff. So I think that it's tough
for us to separate out the concept of it. This
(36:23):
is why when you brought up the ranchers. I think
that's very afro po, the concept of it versus the
reality of it. You know, a saber tooth tiger is
fine until saber too tiger eats your grandma and then
you're pretty it. This actually came up if you you
remember when this I think it was Cecil the Lion
was the big story and Jimmy Kim they killed him, yes,
(36:45):
and it was like him was like crying on TV
about Cecil the Lion in Africa, who on a lawful
hunt was shot. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Cecil the light
is crying. And look, I love animals, so I get that.
And there's something that's, you know, like I love my
little dog Ginger so much, and yet I'm I'm gonna
lamb shops right for dinner. Like I understand some of
(37:07):
this stuff. We get a little. It's about sentimentality over
pure logic. Okay, But that all said, there was a
really interesting Wall Street Journal article that I remember from
that time, written by I think he was a student
at Harvard or Princeton, who was like, you know what
lions mean in my village? Yeah? I read the people
get eaten? Yeah, like this isn't a game to us,
(37:27):
like we actually have to control the population because they'll
eat your dad, they'll eat your sister, Like, you know,
this is a real thing that happens to real people,
which reminds me of that movie Ghost in the Darkness,
based on a true story. And I know you all
know this and you can go see the stuffed carcasses
of those lions and I'm in a zoo and I'm
in a museum in Chicago. Wasn't Val Kilmer in that movie?
(37:49):
That just yeah, yeah, it was a Valkilmer movie with
Michael Douglas. Kind of a weird casting of Michael Douglas,
but anyway, Val Kilmer was good in it. And that's
based on a true story. I mean, these lie became
habituated to eating people and they're like, wow, people are
slow and kind of weak, like let's just eat them instead.
So this is all a way to say, I think
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for you know, should we bring back dodo birds?
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Totally, like should we bring back species that? But you know,
this is where you also get into clay. I'm here
in South Florida and you have the Boa constrictors and
and also what do you call them? The big. They
look like little dragons on ias. Yeah, yeah, and they
(38:35):
are invasive. Well, boas are definitely an invasive species. I
think iguanas are two. I don't think they're native to hear.
They're basically pets that have escaped and now they're killing
all the native you know, ecosystem animals off, so you
have to go hunt them and deal with them. True thing. Also,
you know that little brown bird that you guys all
think of, the European house sparrow, probably the most common
(38:56):
bird in the entire United States everywhere, a little kind
of round squat bird. They're an invasive species from Europe
and they have killed off a lot of native bird
species because they will break into another bird's nest and
break their eggs. They're mean, they're mean little birds. The
honeybee is an invasive species. Well, but we like honeybees.
(39:19):
This is, I guess the point, right, We like that
honey People don't realize this. North America, until colonization, had
no honeybees anywhere, and then they slowly spread across the
entirety of the North American continent. But they were a
invasive species that otherwise didn't exist here. Some of you
will remember this too. There was a fear about fire
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ants and how they're going to keep spreading up and
spreading up, and you know, they're dangerous to people if
you step on one of their anhills. And there was
a briefly discussed proposal that I remember reading about the
only real, real natural predators for the fire ants. They
were thinking, maybe we should introduce it's a South American
anteater which has like six inch long claws and weighs
(40:02):
like two hundred pounds. And then they're like, well, if
we introduce that, what's its natural predatory Jaguars? So you
create all these problems, the food.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Chain gets dangerous. Okay, So I am in favor of this.
Here is my thing as a pet, yes or no?
Once they reintroduced you, no, no, no, I'm in favor
of it only for keeping them in captivity. And I
understand some of you are going to say, yeah, that's
the whole point of Jurassic Park. But I like it
(40:31):
also for endangered species now because in theory, it would
mean there should be no animal that actually vanishes, right,
you should be able to get the existing DNA of
all animals that are alive on Earth today, and we
should be able to create a genetic Noah's Arc of
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all living animals here today and be able to create them.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Now, I don't want if I'm a think.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
About this in terms of the farmers out there and
the ranchers, the idea that you would reintroduce grizzly bears
or wolves that are going to attack my livestock is
I think different than this.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I would nothing else produce these animals, something else that
that would be on the on the docket here go. Uh,
I believe it's I believe it's called a short faced bear.
Go look up the short faced bear and it's like
a grizzly bear times three. It's a massive land predator. Uh.
That they could also along with the saber it's from
(41:35):
the same era as a saber tooth tiger. They could
also bring that one back. And I think that you know,
you're starting to see we definitely don't want that, right.
I mean, that's that's gonna be the same way that
polar polar bears hunt people. It's really the only North
American land animal. Yeah, I know, grizzlies can wolf has
never actually attacked healthy wolves have never attacked the human
(41:55):
being in the history of North America is at least
what you that's what they announced me. You're gonna say no,
but that's what they say. Okay, that's what the official
statistics are. The wolves won't attack people if they're healthy.
If they're a rabid, that's different. Polar bear see you,
and they're like food food, they do. There's no offens
or butts, and the same thing would be true of
a short faced bear. So you know some of the thing.
(42:17):
Let me hit you with this one, buck. My boys
are obsessed with the megalodon, which is just a giant shark.
In theory, the dire wolf can be kept in inside
of a fenced enclosure and everything else. My concern on
this would be that we would start.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
To create big, massive animals that are in the water,
and those are a lot harder to control. Have you
ever been ton to, say, for instance, the Atlanta Aquarium
where they have the whale sharks. You know, they've never
been able to, for instance, keep I believe this is
still true, a great white shark in captivity. They just
(42:54):
they're impossible to keep inside of museums or aquariums, anything
like that. My concern is that some of these that
we will create will get out. And can you imagine
a world where suddenly you have, instead of a great
white shark, you've got the megalodon suddenly like rolling around
in the ocean deep. That starts to get a little
bit scarier to me. But I think it's the reality
(43:16):
of where we are going. I think you're going to
see all of these extinct animals genetically us able to
bring them back. Now, one more thing, as we go
to break some people are saying this is not the
real animal because of the way they're doing the DNA coding,
and that gets way more complicated and above my pay grade.
But I have read some of those critiques as well.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us. We got a lot of you
weighing in with a variety of questions and let's hit
some of these Selena Zito is scheduled to join us.
He's got a Washington Post op ed about the manufacturing
universe right now in the Midwest. She's done a great
(45:34):
job covering that era area for some time and the
era of the Trump Midwest surge. So we'll talk about
that when she reaches out to us. And she is
now with us now, so we bring in Selena Zito.
She has got a op ed in the Washington Post
where she has been spending time with Midwestern workers. Selena,
I'm curious what you're hearing from people in the Midwest,
(45:57):
an area that used to be the manufacturing of America
that has certainly dried up in many different ways. Jade
Vance has been a huge part of his political career
as talking about the jobs that no longer exist in
the Midwest. What are you hearing from voters in the Midwest,
How do you think this tariff war plays for them?
And how would you assess the politics of what's going
(46:21):
on right now?
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. You know,
I cover a different world, very different than you know,
sort of the very online world, and where I'm at
in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. You know, the heart of the
Great Lakes Midwest, in Appalachia. These people here are very
happy with the tariffs. They have spent the past forty years,
(46:47):
whether it was themselves or their parents or their grandparents,
watching these communities, these churches, the tax spase in their
communities being decimated, and nobody even wrote a story. I mean,
I'm obvious being a little exaggerating here, but there wasn't
this big overt worry about their lives right when when
(47:09):
all their jobs were lost, when everything was taken away
from them. And so they look at it two ways.
They look at it as being patriotic, bringing back American manufacturing,
sacrificing in their four oh one k for the betterment
of the country. But they also look at it as
(47:31):
leveling the pill of playing field. And it's not just manufacturing.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
Talk to a ranter, they're happy, right, Talk to a manufacturer,
small businessman like Tyler Merritt down in Savannah, Georgia, the guy.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Who owns nine line.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
He's thrilled.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
You know, these guys are thrilled. And these are the
people that placed Donald Trump into office. It was the
working class that was at the heart of this election.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
What'd you learn Selena specifically from and thanks for being
here with us. When you went to in West mifflind
Pennsylvania a steel mill and you talk to the folks
at the mill, I mean, just what were your biggest
takeaways both from seeing that operation. I think very few
people who don't work in a steel mill have ever
really been inside one, and also their sense of what
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would they say to people who claim, well, but we
can never make steel the way they do as cheaply
as they do in China, so why even try?
Speaker 6 (48:33):
Right?
Speaker 5 (48:33):
So if people know and check my Twitter feed out,
zdo Selena. I've put the story up for free. It's
a Washington Post story. It is a very detailed, long read,
and it really puts you into the heart of why
people feel the way they do. This isn't just a
steel mill. This is the first steel mill. This is
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the granddaddy of the mall. That was an eighty six
year old hot rolling mill that I spent the day
watching work and watching the men and women work around it.
And these workers who would traditionally be born Democrats. Right
in western Pa, you're usually born Catholic and Democrats. It
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just like goes together. They are the perfect example of
how the coalitions in American politics have dramatically changed, and
now that the Republican Party or the Conservative Populist Party
is now the party that embraces the working man and women,
(49:39):
and so they're very happy and they're willing to take
a bite out of out of their four oh one
case if it means that this will be better for
the future generations. And that's the way these union guys talk.
Like a lot of those union workers that you'll in
(50:00):
the story, they're towards the end of their career, right
they're in their fifties. They said, this isn't about me.
This is about the guy that just started at the
plant two weeks ago. Guys before me did this and
took sacrifices, and my I'm to pay it forward and
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make sure that they are able to retire when they
termed sixty Selena.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
One of the real challenges, and we played a cut
from Trump talking about this, is investment and business management,
building a factory. Those sorts of things take years. In
other words, as you just laid out, it's taken a
couple of generations for all of these jobs to dry up.
This is not something where a light switch got flipped
and things changed. What is the trajectory of changing this
(50:50):
culture that we created where the jobs don't exist? How
long does it take? And to be fair, is anything?
Is this anything that one president can do or do
we have to string together a lot of presidents that
see this as an issue in order to reverse what's
happened too.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
I'm so glad you asked that. Last week I reported
out a story there was the law the tallest coal
stack smokestack in the country was blasted and fell. Its
very traumatic. It is very sad for a coal fired
power plant. Ten days later, because this site is shovel ready,
(51:31):
they announced they are starting. They've already started to turn
this plant into a natural gas plant to facilitate not
just the electricity in Pennsylvania, Maryland and parts of New York.
It's going to be the largest electric power plant in
the country. It is also going to power a data
(51:51):
center for an AI data center. There are going to
be ten thousand new jobs. That's and and it is
a ten billion dollar investment. And that's not even before
the AI data center is built. You know, Bergmann was there.
He was I was at a racking site, a racking
well and he said, Look, our job right now is
(52:15):
to build, build, build. It's more than drill drill, drill,
because this is like the arms race. AI is like
the arms race, and we have to win in this country.
And he pointed to the fact that there are places
like that coal fired power plant and Homer City all
over the industrial Midwest that are ready and capable to
(52:39):
be built. So I think that is where the new construction,
the new jobs. And these aren't just working class jobs.
These aren't just welders, these aren't just artisans that work
with their hands. There are geologists there, chemists, engineers, men
and women with degrees in AI and technology. So it
(53:01):
is a broad reconstruction of how the American economy and
how the American worker approaches the next generation.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
It's fascinating, Selena. You know, you're giving us this other
perspective than what you'd get if you were to flip
on CNBC. It's the sky is falling. And yet if
you go into some of these places like you have,
where people have seen what happens with the offshoring of
American jobs and de industrialization of certain industries, that they're
(53:32):
they're excited about the future. I just wonder you know
what you think the hopes are and the plans are
in these areas. If Trump is able to continue on
this path, what does that start to look like? What
towns are affected? What industries do you think can boom?
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Well, energy is at the top of the list, but
also artificial intelligence, Right, those are the two big booms.
If energy is going well, then that means farming is
going well because of you know, energy and farming go
really hand in hand together. And I think one of
the big things as part of these tariffs is to
(54:10):
give a boost to our American farmer and rancher. So
those are industries you see right then and there, and
then we can talk about our universities. Right our universities
will will will have a bit of a turnaround and
what they focus on. You know, maybe it's not your kids.
You send your kid off for French literature, you know,
(54:31):
maybe they go to school for things that are going
to recreate these communities. The footprint is already there in
places like Indiana, Pennsylvania, or West Miffland, Pennsylvania, or Claysville, Pennsylvania,
and all across and not just in Pennsylvania. It's in Ohio,
(54:52):
it's in Michigan. It's in Wisconsin. Use these places are
already there, and these universe cities already have sort of
the grain to begin these kinds of of new new
degrees that young people can go for. But also the trades.
(55:13):
Like you guys, I'm sure you've talked or listen to
Mike grow you know, the trades are also where we
are going to see a growth and jobs that create
real prosperity, where people can live in the same hometown
that their parents grew up in if they want to, right,
and that that generational investment in a community that's worth
(55:39):
more than money in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Selena, how optimistic are you? You know, we hear a
lot of hey, everything is burning down, the world's on fire.
Based on what you have seen in the reporting that
you have done, how would you accept your overall optimism?
Speaker 5 (55:59):
I think the optimism is great. It's you know, I
straddle two different, very different worlds. When I step on
social media, I see a very different attitude in the
world than what I see and feeling here out here
in the middle of the country, and it's it's always
remarkable to me. And it's sort of like when I
(56:20):
said to President Trump in twenty sixteen when I was
covering him, I said, you know, voters take you seriously,
but they don't take you literally. And my profession takes
everything you say literally and not so seriously. And and
it's still it's that same sort of dichotomy, right It's
it's it's very different in the middle of the country
(56:43):
and in particular among young people. You know, you see
all these protests out there, and they got a lot
of play on social media and the national news. However,
I would argue American politics is all about edition. If
you go to any of these rallies, try to find
(57:03):
someone that's changed their mind, you likely can't because they're
the same people that voted for who lost last November.
So they're not adding anything new. And I think that's
the challenge right now for anything that is against what
President Trump and the Republicans are trying to accomplish. I
(57:28):
was four feet away from President Trump in Butler in
July thirteenth of last year. In fact, I have a
book coming out about it. But one thing I can
tell you in the day after I talked to him,
In the days after I talked to him, he had
this fundamental understanding that there was a reason that he
(57:48):
did not die that day because so many there's so
many reasons why he shouldn't have survived what happened. But
because of that, he will be forever changed and deeals
this urgency to do something because he was given that
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We'll talk to you again soon.
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Oh sounds great. Thanks so much, guys.
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