May 12, 2025 • 40 mins
A deadly terrorist attack in Kashmir has reignited one of the world’s most dangerous conflicts — but this is nothing new. In this episode of The David Rutherford Show, former Navy SEAL David Rutherford delivers a powerful deep dive into the decades-long India vs. Pakistan conflict and what it means for global security today.
From the 1947 Partition to nuclear brinkmanship in 2025, Rut unpacks the religious, political, and military roots of the dispute, exposing the roles of China, Russia, the U.S., and Pakistan’s ISI. With firsthand experience on the ground, he explains why this region remains a geopolitical powder keg—and how close we came to nuclear war last week.
đź“Ś Topics Covered:
- The April 2025 Kashmir attack and its global fallout
- How the British partition ignited 75 years of bloodshed
- Terrorism and Pakistan’s deep state (ISI, LeT, Taliban)
- India’s rise, U.S. alliances, and China’s hidden interests
- Why nuclear escalation is a real and growing threat
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you didn't think possible nuclear war with Russia and
Ukraine was big, well stand by, because now we got
to worry about Pakistan in India. Welcome to the David
Rutherford Show. What's Up? Team. I wanted to put out
a little bit of a disclaimer for the show that's
(00:23):
been aired on Monday. We recorded it on Friday. Today
is actually Saturday. I just saw on AX that President
Trump and his team have negotiated a ceasefire deal between
Pakistan in India, and thank God for that. We feel
very bust for those people, but we still hope that
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you tune in and enjoy because I go very in
depth as to the historical realities of what's taking place
between these two areas in this conflict area of Kashmir.
I also talk extensively about the geoplastical implications in terms
of the relationships with US in India, Russian India, China
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and Pakistan. And then obviously I talk in depth about
the nuclear realities of these two countries. So even though
there's a ceasefire, we're not sure how that long, how
the how long that will stick, or or or whether
or not terrorist attacks will continue. But for now we
hope you enjoy uh the information that I provide. Thank you.
(01:35):
What's up everybody? Welcome back to the show. I'm so
fired up that you're here. You know, today's show is
something that is a little bit more complex than what
we typically deal with, but it's critical to help you
gain a greater understanding or a greater appreciation for the
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recent conflict that has broken out in India and Pakistan.
So before we get into my analysis, I just want
to read you a quick report of what basically triggered
this from happening. An attack occurred on April twenty second,
twenty twenty five, in Baja Saran Valley near Pahlgam Jamu
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and Kashmir, India. Five armed militants equipped with M four
carbins and eight K forty sevens attacked a group of tourists,
killing twenty six civilians, mostly Hindu tourists, one Christian, one
local Muslim, and one Nepali citizen and injuring seventeen. The
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assault targeted non Muslim tourists, with reports of selective killings
after religious identification. The Resistance Front TRF, a proxy of
the Pakistani based L E t Or Lashkarga e Taliba,
claim the responsibility, citing opposition to non local settlement post
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KASHMIRS twenty nineteen status change, Indian authorities linked the attack
to Pakistan, alleging involvement of l ET operatives and the
Inner Services Intelligence or ISI of Pakistan. That's their CIA,
with digital traces to safe houses in Muzafarabad in Karachi.
(03:30):
All right, so now you know why they started launching
missiles at each other. But there's a lot bigger context
to what's going on, right, and so before we go
into what I believe are the key three analysis that
you have to kind of take into consideration when you're
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when you're wondering, all right, how substantial is this? Is
it a regional small regional conflm, does it break out
into a greater regional challenge? Is it going to affect
international trade shipping lanes? Is it going to affect world peace?
Or more importantly, is it going to affect a global security?
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So before I get into that analysis, what's really understand,
what's really critical to understand is that this is not
a new circumstance. This is not something that just all
of a sudden out of the blue and a very
docile piece you know filled region of the globe that
this took place. This has been going on for a
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very long time. In fact, what really ignited this was
came after the British partition of India or British India
in nineteen forty seven on August fifteenth, essentially when a
post World War two was restructuring the map of the world,
and so the British Empire decided, well, you know what,
(05:00):
we're going to give these people their freedom. We're going
to step back a much as a result of the
efforts for one of my favorite heroes in history, which
is a gentleman by the name of Mahatma Gandhi. If
you don't know who he is and you've never studied him,
I highly recommend you do a little deep dive dig
(05:21):
into groc say who is Mahatma Gandhi. One of the
greatest resistance fighters for peaceful resistance in the history and
he played a major influence on Martin Luther King. This
guy was a brilliant man who was educated in Britain
as a barrister and then took on this quest to
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make India independent and then from that independence they broke
free Pakistan, broke free Why, pretty simple, pretty common in
this area as well as around the world. Pakistan is Muslim,
in India is Hindu. Right, So the basis of really
this dispute originated over the Kashmir region, and it's in
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this region where you have those two different religious sects
integrated into each other. They live side by side in
different settlements, different towns, different cities, and so that really
plays a major role. You know, when they first split off,
it didn't take very long before conflicts began to broke out,
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you know. And you know, the partition itself has really
been kind of marked by heavy violence ever since it happened,
with rough estimates of two hundred thousand to two million
casualties and a displacement of fourteen million people. Right now,
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when you start to look at those numbers, it's very
obvious to me that this is a region that has
been strife with conflict ever since that separation. Now, what
many people want to go, well, you know, what is
the substantial nature of that conflict, And the conflict is
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not just you know, these little border skirmishes of you know,
terrorist organizations or British i should say, Indian military units
firing over the border. Peeping people back. I mean, you know,
the first Kashmir War was in nineteen forty seven and
nineteen forty eight that was triggered by Pakistani tribal incursions.
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There was the nineteen sixty five war, and this conflict
began with Pakistan's Operation Gibraltar, which it was an infiltration
across the line of the line of control that separates
these two, escalating to a seventeen day war. Again in
nineteen seventy one participated by the Bangladesh Liberation War in
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East Pakistan now Bangladesh. This war resulted in Pakistan's surrender
of over ninety thousand troops and the creation of Bangladesh.
There was the nineteen ninety nine Cargo War, where Pakistani
troops and militants infiltrated across the line or loc into
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the Kargol district, leading to a conflict where India recaptured
seventy five to eighty percent of the intruded area. Now
you know, these these have been This region is imbued
with conflict, there's just no doubt about it, right, and
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it all seems to stand behind this one little section.
Now you know, there's also another aspect that took place
where China came in and they captured a significant portion
of this region that included what they believe were portions
of Tibet and the surrounding areas. So now you've got Pakistan, India,
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and China all kind of in the mix for this
particular region. All right, So what is my analysis? All right?
So there are three critical aspects of this region that
I think would benefit you to understand. First and foremost
is kind of the geopolitical aspect of it, right, and
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why do these countries play such a significant role. Well,
first and foremost, Pakistan has over one hundred and twenty
million people, like ninety nine percent Islam. And then India
is what one point three to one point four billion
people in India and that region's broken up into a
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lot more, but the primary group are Hindus. And so
you know, those two countries have very significant ties to
superpowers in the area. Obviously, Pakistan is very connected to China.
China utilizes a great portion of this region as an
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access to the Indian Ocean. There's a bunch of military
routes that travel through and work in Pakistan. China also
provides with a very substantial number of weapons systems into Pakistan.
They also have economic support as well. Now, Pakistan is
not a country that has a very substantial economic prowess
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at all, they do have some natural resources that give
them some very viable influence into China. Of course, Pakistan
also has pretty interesting connections to a lot of the
other troublemakers in the region, which originally from a gentleman
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by the name of Aq Khan. Ak Khan is known
as the grandfather of Pakistan's nuclear program. And the real
kind of kicker to that whole thing is that, you know,
Aq Khan was known for selling his nuclear abilities in
his understanding of building nuclear actors where he gained in
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Europe back in the nineteen seventies. Well, anyways, he sold
a lot of that information to Iran and North Korea
in particular, and so you know, as we think about
the broader impact of the region, Iran plays a significant
role with their relation to Pakistan. Now, India, on the
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other hand, has a very unique position in the world,
not only just because of their size and their explosive industrialization.
They are real powerhouse some very different types of uh
UH development, from the tech region UH to antibiotics and medicines,
to car manufacturing UH two different types of industrialization, and
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India plays a major role in that in their ability
to trade all throughout the world, but in particular in
kind of that India UH Asia region. So you know
they and then they also have a profound amount of
natural resources UH that give them a very substantial Now
(12:34):
their GDP compared to UH, India's is radically different. Now, Jordi,
would you look up that for me? Would you would
you look up what the differences between India and Pakistan's
GDP for me? Real quick? Absolutely? One second, thank you.
So as we think about you know, India, one of
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the things that a lot of people don't recognize is
that they've got very strong close ties to Russia. Right A.
Much of India is very much bigger army than Pakistan's.
Is has been enabled by Russian missile systems, Russian jets,
Russian arms and ammunition. So Russia has played a very
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significant role in the arming and and and development of
India's military. The other component that you have to understand
with Russian Pakistan, right, Pakistan was a significant conduit to
help and support the Mouhaja Deen in the in the
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Russia Afghan war, which really kind of was a proxy
war between US and Russia that we ran through Pakistan
and their intelligence services. We would actually I've met UH
and known a bunch of guys that actually trained UH,
the muhaj Deen fighters in Pakistan on on different missile
systems to take out Russia. So Russia has no love
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loss for Pakistan at all. So you have the Russia, India,
and then most recently and the most significant thing that's
taking place with this geoplit political aspect of this is
that Trump just orchestrated a giant deal with India. Now,
if you want to think about kind of our geostrategic
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battle taking place with China, what are the core elements there?
First and foremost, it's China dominates, you know, are industrialized.
They you know, we offshored all of our industrialization over
to China for cheap labor. So they control all of
our medicines, They control I mean, you remember during COVID
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what took place, right the supply routes got shut down
because China's shut down, and we were put in a
very difficult national security problem. So what's one way to
solve that by strengthening our ties to India, who has
a massive workforce that are ready to join the world economy.
(15:07):
I know what you're saying, Yeah, but rut an whole.
What about bricks? This is where it gets super complicated,
right now? What is bricks? Right? Bricks is the alliance
between Brazil, India, China, Russian and South Africa. It's thereby
even complicating this thing even more. Right, why are they
(15:30):
all together? They want to weaken the American dollar? Right, So,
I know what you're saying, Well, how do you keep
track all this? You know, coach Rutt. And the hard
part is to recognize that much of what takes place
in foreign policy, geostrategic policy, you know, you're befriending your
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enemies in order to gain strength in a particular region.
And so there's a lot of that taking place in
this It's very complex, all right. So you've got you know, Russia, India,
You've got China or Russia, India, America, India, China, Pakistan,
(16:13):
I Ran Pakistan, North Korea, Pakistan going on at the moment,
All right, did you come up with those GDPs?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I sure? Did you ready for him?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah? Please?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
India's is about three point eight trillion and Pakistan's is
about three hundred and seventy five billion, and so it's
about ten times larger than Pakistan. India is about ten
times larger than Pakistan. Do you want to know growth
rates or population?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Uh? Not populations, but if what if you could look
up for me, look up the size of the militaries,
that'd be great. Okay, sorry about the interruption, but we
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All right? So we heard that the economic difference is monstrous.
I mean it's radically different. So if you have these
strategic positioning taking place where America is hedging its bets
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against Chinese dominance, right, we've seen it with the tariffs
that are if you've done any economic reports and I'm
hoping to bring Bryce gil back on to give us
a real deep dive on the tariffs and what they have.
They've been affecting China recently, so we're paying attention to
that in the in the near future on the Dave
Rutherford Show. So you have tariff wars, all right, how
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do we adjust our ability to temper off China's control
and a lot of stuff. Well, we partner with India,
then you have so what do they do? They're going
to back this skirmish and potentially try and weaken India's
abilities and get them focused on this skirmish or conflict.
(18:59):
All Right, right, what you got? What you got for
me in terms of.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Size, So in terms of the size of India versus
Pakistan and their military the active military personnel, India's got
about one point four to six million, Pakistan's got about
six hundred and fifty four thousand. So you're talking about
India having twice as many active personnel as Pakistan. And
(19:24):
there's a global fire power index in which India ranks
fourth globally and Pakistan is ranked twelveth.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, that's awesome. All right, next numbers, and have these
prep for me as a little teaser to what's to come.
Can you look up in their nuclear arsenals for me? Yes? Yeah,
thank you. All right, So, now that you have a
little bit better understanding of the geostrategic relationships they're positioning
in terms of GDP growth impacts, natural resources, you know,
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the next one I want to move into is a
real problem, and this is the terrorism issue coming out
of Pakistan. Now I can tell you I have a
lot of intimate prior knowledge of that situation. And what
makes it particularly difficult is that the United States has
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had kind of this very let's say, tricky relationship with
the Pakistani ISI right after nine to eleven with the
Prime Minister basically George Bush Junior reached out and said, listen,
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we're going to deliver the hammer unless you help us
hunt down al Qaida, and as well as those who
helped him, maybe Mulah Omar, and they shook their head
and said, yep, absolutely all good. And so when we do,
we invaded and I was there not even a year
after that. You know, we're going after these guys what
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a lot of people don't recognize and don't know, and
that have come out in a bunch of different posts
nine to eleven kind of early invasion books about that
whole situation was the Pakistani ISI was actually airlifting thousands
of of Al Kaeda members and senior Talban leaders out
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of Afghanistan into Pakistan. And so as we're trying to
go get the job done, the Pakistani government, their c
you know, their CIA, the ISI was running ups to
get these very valuable people, these terrorists, out of Afghanistan
and into the protected tribal regions of the Northwest Frontier
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Province as well as Baluchistan, which is the south south
what would be East region. And it's kind of an
old disputed region and a lot of people in that area.
I've always wanted Balluti and to have its own independence.
That's where mulah Omar was down near spin Bulldock and
Queta there was. That's where all those routes were going
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back and forth. And those were the same routes that
America used to help get the Muhajaden in and attacking
the Russians back in the eighties. All right, So you know,
Pakistan for many years was a pretty low key I'm
not going to say low key, but they were certainly
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not as aggressive as they started to become in the
late seventies the most aggressive, and seventy nine they burned
down the embassy, the American embassy. They've been had these
terrorist organizations that have been active and played an active
role in international terrorism since kind of really the Islamic
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Revolution took place, right so you have the ISI that
is not only supporting and harboring and funding al Qaeda.
Let's just get to my next experience where I actually
worked in Pakistan when I was at the Agency doing
a bunch of different things, but at the lead up
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and after the Bin Laden raids. So that's where I
really began to understand the massive connection where I really
I think that shocked the world the true impact of
what Pakistan's hidden Islamists were capable of, not only I
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mean you could argue that they're safe patches for Klead,
Shake Mohammad, and Bin Laden, but also being able to
fund other events with LT. Now this new organization that's
springing out of Lat and then you also have the
Pakistani Talban that's a different organization out there as well,
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So the LT. All of a sudden in two thousand
and eight, you had the Moonbai attacks. Now this is
what a fat part of this history that people aren't
really aware of. You had a woman come back in
whose father used to be the Prime Minister of Pakistan
back in the seventies Butu but then his daughter came
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back in after being aunked Ran became the Pakistani PM,
which in her whole thing was she's going to try
and maybe not democratize in the way we think about it,
but more so open up Pakistan to greater relations with
the Western world. Well, she was assassinated by a suicide
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bomber and was killed. I think it was six when
she was blown up. So with the six bombing of
her that re instituted power and in control from the
Pakistani military and Isi. I didn't understand the magnitude of
that power until I went there and worked in twenty eleven.
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Now post her assassination in two thousand and eight was
the Mumbai incident, and for me, this was the first
time that I really began to pay attention to this
Kashmir region. And in that assault which you had, which
you had ten members of led infiltrated into Mumbai via
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an old school you know, these little you know rafts
that they hit the shore backpacks filled with aks and grenades,
and these men split up and they essentially ended up
murdering one hundred and sixty six people in India. They
hit a train station that was devastating, just wholesaling, slaughtering
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people that were cowering in fear. And then they went to, hey,
we look up what the hotel. The name of the
hotel is the only five star hotel that was attacked
in the Mumbai incident. I forget what the name was,
and then look up how many people died there? For me,
but they assaulted this hotel and just randomly try started
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killing foreign visitors and people and then ended up burning
the hotel to the ground. Did you find that, Jeordi.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So this was at the taj Mahall Palace and Tower hotel.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
How many people were killed there?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
A total of one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
People in the hotel and the train or both.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I think it was one hundred and seventy five total.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Okay, so thanks for correcting me on one hundred and
seventy five total, both at the train on the street
and then in this hotel. So that really got me
to a space where you know, oh my god, this
is a much bigger problem. They utilize these organizations because
what the theory is is that the ISI trains, equips
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and supports these people and their terrace actions not only
in India but in the broader area of the region.
So you have this tear terrorism problem, right, and India
has had a very difficult time dealing with it. Well.
When Mody came into office twenty fourteen, I think, Jordi,
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we look up make sure I'm dialed in on that one.
When Mody came into office, he changed, as you know,
he evolved. He said, We're not going to tolerate this anymore.
We're going to rise up and really started to institute
a very substantial sense of Hindu nationalism or populism or
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religious I don't want to call it religious dogmatism, but
you know, to get behind the fact that they are
profoundly Hindu and they should represent that. Was I right
on the date on that twenty fourteen, Yeah, twenty fourteen,
Thank you, buddy. So now Mody gets in there, starts
projecting himself around the world as a very significant leader,
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you know, in this fight between these two. But yet
these guys, they just continue to wreak havoc on them. Now,
the other major incident that I want to talk about
a little bit was in two thousand and nineteen the
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Powama attacks in the Jammu and Kashmir region. It was
February fourteenth, right, This was a suicide bomber on a
paramilitary convoy that killed forty Indian soldiers. And this was
the group was J E. M Jaishi Mohammad and they
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had claimed responsibility for this. So you know, these things
are ramping up and every time, you know, they keep going.
I think India has had a pretty substantial restraint. Well,
they're done as as I would imagine we would be
done as well if we were taking these many terrorist
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attacks ourselves. So what are they going to do? They're
going to launch these strikes. Now, what's taking place in
the current engagement is pretty substantial, and what makes this
is the final aspect of my evaluation, if you will,
and that is the fact that both of these countries
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have nuclear weapons. Sorry for the interruption, especially in such
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Thank you. Back to the show. I don't know about you,
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but I'm pretty over holding my breath as a result
of the last several years in Ukraine, in Russia and
what's taking place there, And in no uncertain terms, all
you got to go do is go back to the
video and you can watch just about every significant Russian
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leader said, hey, nuclear weapons are on because we understand
who's fueling this, we understand where weapons are coming from,
we understand what's that state, we understand what's going on. So, uh,
we're not going to play any games. If you don't
uh curtail any missile attacks or attacks into the you know,
(31:13):
into Russia, Mother Russia, then we're gonna be forced to
launch a nuclear reaction. Now. I don't know about you,
but I certainly I spent enough time listening to people
that were not only uh loosely involved in in you know,
(31:36):
the Cuban missile crisis, but certainly understood and and and
felt the effects of what that was, which was, you know,
the last time we were very close to nuclear annihilation. Now,
what's what's really been amazing for us in Russia is uh,
that assured nuclear deterrence, that assured destruction. Knowing that, hey,
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if you go and we detect we are bombs automatically launch. Uh,
there's a great book out there. We look up the book,
her names and she wrote a book on a nuclear war.
It'll come up. She's she's been on Joe Rogan, she
was on Sean Show. But wrote this really intense, unbelievable
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book that describes nuclear annihilation. Did you find it?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Annie Jacobson's book A Scenario?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Annie Jacobson's book Nuclear War A Scenario? Do yourself a
favor or that's kind of an odd thing to say
in that Jory maybe not call it a favor, but
it educates yourself, as what I'm saying, and go read
that book. And if you're not becoming a ardent anti
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nuclear person, nuclear weapons person, then I don't know what
will make that. And that's where we're at. You know,
these two organizations, these two countries, India and Pakistan, neither
one of them have signed the nuclear proliferation agreements. India,
how however, has stated that we are not a first strike.
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We're not going to be in that first strike. We
will only respond for Pakistan. And they're cowboys, right, and
if they feel the threats too high, they could launch that.
So nuclear Even if it's a tactical nuclear strike, Even
if it's small and you take out let's say seventy
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million people, that's still going to initiate a nuclear winner
because that fallout will obviously that radiation is going to
get in and around the atmosphere and cover substantial portions
of the Earth. Did you find out what those numbers were?
What are they? I did?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So they're about neck and neck. India has approximately one
hundred and seventy two warheads and Pakistan has approximately one
hundred and seventy warheads. And it should be noted that
Pakistan is producing a little bit more per year than
India is, so India is slightly ahead, but Pakistan's growing faster.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Both those countries have stated, though by twenty twenty, twenty
thirty or twenty twenty, twenty twenty, it was a recent
one like twenty six, twenty seven, maybe that they both
want to be up to about four hundred nuclear devices.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
They want like almost double or basically.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Double, basically a little more double in the next three
to five years. That's not good. We don't need these
types of countries increasing nuclear arsenals. We need a degree decrease,
all right, so now that you have a broader overview,
what are my thoughts? What's my My opinion is that
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China is already on the horn calling up UH, their
folks in in UH Pakistan and telling them, hey, an
halt enough of this ship, stop what you're doing, an
holt uh enough because the disruption to their UH tactical access,
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shall we say, to the Indian Ocean, as well as
you know, to their access into both UH Pakistan, but
also more importantly, I think, for them into Afghanistan because
they just got all the contracts UH with UH for
all their rare earth minerals, in particular lithium, which is massive.
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And then also it gives them a direct conduit to
their partners in Iran. So that's that's another thing. Whereas
I would also be willing to say that people within
the Trump administration, maybe Mark o'rubi or someone is on
the phone with Mody and saying, hey, what the hell
(36:05):
are you doing and halt We just signed a great agreement.
Don't you don't go flexing right now. Let's get you
built up. Let's, you know, increase your defenses, increase your military,
Let's give you a bunch of other you know abilities
to shoot down you know, an anti missile defense or
missile defense system. Let's sell you in a couple F
(36:25):
thirty fives or F sixteen's or whatever it is, and
slow your role, like chill a little bit, all right,
and stop with what you're doing. So, although it seems
to be something that could cause and is causing some
consternation for the global population and particular people of the region,
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I do believe that the influence is so substantial on
both of those countries in their current states, particular the
relationship between India and the United States, obviously in Pakistan
and China, that this will hopefully be disfused in the
(37:07):
next several months. I think in these regions there's a
lot of sable rattling, so people don't lose face. But
I definitely don't think this is going to escalate now.
Making predictions like that not always the best thing to do.
Next thing, you know, people will start if I get
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too many of these wrong, people are start calling me
the Jim Kramer of national security, and god, I don't
want that, Moniker. So I hope this has been informative
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If you didn't think possible nuclear war with Russia and
Ukraine was big, well stand by, because now we got
to worry about Pakistan in India. Welcome to the David
Rutherford Show. What's Up? Team. I wanted to put out
a little bit of a disclaimer for the show that's
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been aired on Monday. We recorded it on Friday. Today
is actually Saturday. I just saw on AX that President
Trump and his team have negotiated a ceasefire deal between
Pakistan in India, and thank God for that. We feel
very bust for those people, but we still hope that
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you tune in and enjoy because I go very in
depth as to the historical realities of what's taking place
between these two areas in this conflict area of Kashmir.
I also talk extensively about the geoplastical implications in terms
of the relationships with US in India, Russian India, China
(01:07):
and Pakistan. And then obviously I talk in depth about
the nuclear realities of these two countries. So even though
there's a ceasefire, we're not sure how that long, how
the how long that will stick, or or or whether
or not terrorist attacks will continue. But for now we
hope you enjoy uh the information that I provide. Thank you.
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What's up everybody? Welcome back to the show. I'm so
fired up that you're here. You know, today's show is
something that is a little bit more complex than what
we typically deal with, but it's critical to help you
gain a greater understanding or a greater appreciation for the
(01:58):
recent conflict that has broken out in India and Pakistan.
So before we get into my analysis, I just want
to read you a quick report of what basically triggered
this from happening. An attack occurred on April twenty second,
twenty twenty five, in Baja Saran Valley near Pahlgam Jamu
(02:22):
and Kashmir, India. Five armed militants equipped with M four
carbins and eight K forty sevens attacked a group of tourists,
killing twenty six civilians, mostly Hindu tourists, one Christian, one
local Muslim, and one Nepali citizen and injuring seventeen. The
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assault targeted non Muslim tourists, with reports of selective killings
after religious identification. The Resistance Front TRF, a proxy of
the Pakistani based L E t Or Lashkarga e Taliba,
claim the responsibility, citing opposition to non local settlement post
(03:05):
KASHMIRS twenty nineteen status change, Indian authorities linked the attack
to Pakistan, alleging involvement of l ET operatives and the
Inner Services Intelligence or ISI of Pakistan. That's their CIA,
with digital traces to safe houses in Muzafarabad in Karachi.
(03:30):
All right, so now you know why they started launching
missiles at each other. But there's a lot bigger context
to what's going on, right, and so before we go
into what I believe are the key three analysis that
you have to kind of take into consideration when you're
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when you're wondering, all right, how substantial is this? Is
it a regional small regional conflm, does it break out
into a greater regional challenge? Is it going to affect
international trade shipping lanes? Is it going to affect world peace?
Or more importantly, is it going to affect a global security?
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So before I get into that analysis, what's really understand,
what's really critical to understand is that this is not
a new circumstance. This is not something that just all
of a sudden out of the blue and a very
docile piece you know filled region of the globe that
this took place. This has been going on for a
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very long time. In fact, what really ignited this was
came after the British partition of India or British India
in nineteen forty seven on August fifteenth, essentially when a
post World War two was restructuring the map of the world,
and so the British Empire decided, well, you know what,
(05:00):
we're going to give these people their freedom. We're going
to step back a much as a result of the
efforts for one of my favorite heroes in history, which
is a gentleman by the name of Mahatma Gandhi. If
you don't know who he is and you've never studied him,
I highly recommend you do a little deep dive dig
(05:21):
into groc say who is Mahatma Gandhi. One of the
greatest resistance fighters for peaceful resistance in the history and
he played a major influence on Martin Luther King. This
guy was a brilliant man who was educated in Britain
as a barrister and then took on this quest to
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make India independent and then from that independence they broke
free Pakistan, broke free Why, pretty simple, pretty common in
this area as well as around the world. Pakistan is Muslim,
in India is Hindu. Right, So the basis of really
this dispute originated over the Kashmir region, and it's in
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this region where you have those two different religious sects
integrated into each other. They live side by side in
different settlements, different towns, different cities, and so that really
plays a major role. You know, when they first split off,
it didn't take very long before conflicts began to broke out,
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you know. And you know, the partition itself has really
been kind of marked by heavy violence ever since it happened,
with rough estimates of two hundred thousand to two million
casualties and a displacement of fourteen million people. Right now,
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when you start to look at those numbers, it's very
obvious to me that this is a region that has
been strife with conflict ever since that separation. Now, what
many people want to go, well, you know, what is
the substantial nature of that conflict, And the conflict is
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not just you know, these little border skirmishes of you know,
terrorist organizations or British i should say, Indian military units
firing over the border. Peeping people back. I mean, you know,
the first Kashmir War was in nineteen forty seven and
nineteen forty eight that was triggered by Pakistani tribal incursions.
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There was the nineteen sixty five war, and this conflict
began with Pakistan's Operation Gibraltar, which it was an infiltration
across the line of the line of control that separates
these two, escalating to a seventeen day war. Again in
nineteen seventy one participated by the Bangladesh Liberation War in
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East Pakistan now Bangladesh. This war resulted in Pakistan's surrender
of over ninety thousand troops and the creation of Bangladesh.
There was the nineteen ninety nine Cargo War, where Pakistani
troops and militants infiltrated across the line or loc into
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the Kargol district, leading to a conflict where India recaptured
seventy five to eighty percent of the intruded area. Now
you know, these these have been This region is imbued
with conflict, there's just no doubt about it, right, and
(08:45):
it all seems to stand behind this one little section.
Now you know, there's also another aspect that took place
where China came in and they captured a significant portion
of this region that included what they believe were portions
of Tibet and the surrounding areas. So now you've got Pakistan, India,
(09:07):
and China all kind of in the mix for this
particular region. All right, So what is my analysis? All right?
So there are three critical aspects of this region that
I think would benefit you to understand. First and foremost
is kind of the geopolitical aspect of it, right, and
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why do these countries play such a significant role. Well,
first and foremost, Pakistan has over one hundred and twenty
million people, like ninety nine percent Islam. And then India
is what one point three to one point four billion
people in India and that region's broken up into a
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lot more, but the primary group are Hindus. And so
you know, those two countries have very significant ties to
superpowers in the area. Obviously, Pakistan is very connected to China.
China utilizes a great portion of this region as an
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access to the Indian Ocean. There's a bunch of military
routes that travel through and work in Pakistan. China also
provides with a very substantial number of weapons systems into Pakistan.
They also have economic support as well. Now, Pakistan is
not a country that has a very substantial economic prowess
(10:39):
at all, they do have some natural resources that give
them some very viable influence into China. Of course, Pakistan
also has pretty interesting connections to a lot of the
other troublemakers in the region, which originally from a gentleman
(11:01):
by the name of Aq Khan. Ak Khan is known
as the grandfather of Pakistan's nuclear program. And the real
kind of kicker to that whole thing is that, you know,
Aq Khan was known for selling his nuclear abilities in
his understanding of building nuclear actors where he gained in
(11:24):
Europe back in the nineteen seventies. Well, anyways, he sold
a lot of that information to Iran and North Korea
in particular, and so you know, as we think about
the broader impact of the region, Iran plays a significant
role with their relation to Pakistan. Now, India, on the
(11:48):
other hand, has a very unique position in the world,
not only just because of their size and their explosive industrialization.
They are real powerhouse some very different types of uh
UH development, from the tech region UH to antibiotics and medicines,
to car manufacturing UH two different types of industrialization, and
(12:14):
India plays a major role in that in their ability
to trade all throughout the world, but in particular in
kind of that India UH Asia region. So you know
they and then they also have a profound amount of
natural resources UH that give them a very substantial Now
(12:34):
their GDP compared to UH, India's is radically different. Now, Jordi,
would you look up that for me? Would you would
you look up what the differences between India and Pakistan's
GDP for me? Real quick? Absolutely? One second, thank you.
So as we think about you know, India, one of
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the things that a lot of people don't recognize is
that they've got very strong close ties to Russia. Right A.
Much of India is very much bigger army than Pakistan's.
Is has been enabled by Russian missile systems, Russian jets,
Russian arms and ammunition. So Russia has played a very
(13:18):
significant role in the arming and and and development of
India's military. The other component that you have to understand
with Russian Pakistan, right, Pakistan was a significant conduit to
help and support the Mouhaja Deen in the in the
(13:40):
Russia Afghan war, which really kind of was a proxy
war between US and Russia that we ran through Pakistan
and their intelligence services. We would actually I've met UH
and known a bunch of guys that actually trained UH,
the muhaj Deen fighters in Pakistan on on different missile
systems to take out Russia. So Russia has no love
(14:03):
loss for Pakistan at all. So you have the Russia, India,
and then most recently and the most significant thing that's
taking place with this geoplit political aspect of this is
that Trump just orchestrated a giant deal with India. Now,
if you want to think about kind of our geostrategic
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battle taking place with China, what are the core elements there?
First and foremost, it's China dominates, you know, are industrialized.
They you know, we offshored all of our industrialization over
to China for cheap labor. So they control all of
our medicines, They control I mean, you remember during COVID
(14:46):
what took place, right the supply routes got shut down
because China's shut down, and we were put in a
very difficult national security problem. So what's one way to
solve that by strengthening our ties to India, who has
a massive workforce that are ready to join the world economy.
(15:07):
I know what you're saying, Yeah, but rut an whole.
What about bricks? This is where it gets super complicated,
right now? What is bricks? Right? Bricks is the alliance
between Brazil, India, China, Russian and South Africa. It's thereby
even complicating this thing even more. Right, why are they
(15:30):
all together? They want to weaken the American dollar? Right, So,
I know what you're saying, Well, how do you keep
track all this? You know, coach Rutt. And the hard
part is to recognize that much of what takes place
in foreign policy, geostrategic policy, you know, you're befriending your
(15:53):
enemies in order to gain strength in a particular region.
And so there's a lot of that taking place in
this It's very complex, all right. So you've got you know, Russia, India,
You've got China or Russia, India, America, India, China, Pakistan,
(16:13):
I Ran Pakistan, North Korea, Pakistan going on at the moment,
All right, did you come up with those GDPs?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I sure? Did you ready for him?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah? Please?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
India's is about three point eight trillion and Pakistan's is
about three hundred and seventy five billion, and so it's
about ten times larger than Pakistan. India is about ten
times larger than Pakistan. Do you want to know growth
rates or population?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Uh? Not populations, but if what if you could look
up for me, look up the size of the militaries,
that'd be great. Okay, sorry about the interruption, but we
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All right? So we heard that the economic difference is monstrous.
I mean it's radically different. So if you have these
strategic positioning taking place where America is hedging its bets
(18:14):
against Chinese dominance, right, we've seen it with the tariffs
that are if you've done any economic reports and I'm
hoping to bring Bryce gil back on to give us
a real deep dive on the tariffs and what they have.
They've been affecting China recently, so we're paying attention to
that in the in the near future on the Dave
Rutherford Show. So you have tariff wars, all right, how
(18:36):
do we adjust our ability to temper off China's control
and a lot of stuff. Well, we partner with India,
then you have so what do they do? They're going
to back this skirmish and potentially try and weaken India's
abilities and get them focused on this skirmish or conflict.
(18:59):
All Right, right, what you got? What you got for
me in terms of.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Size, So in terms of the size of India versus
Pakistan and their military the active military personnel, India's got
about one point four to six million, Pakistan's got about
six hundred and fifty four thousand. So you're talking about
India having twice as many active personnel as Pakistan. And
(19:24):
there's a global fire power index in which India ranks
fourth globally and Pakistan is ranked twelveth.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, that's awesome. All right, next numbers, and have these
prep for me as a little teaser to what's to come.
Can you look up in their nuclear arsenals for me? Yes? Yeah,
thank you. All right, So, now that you have a
little bit better understanding of the geostrategic relationships they're positioning
in terms of GDP growth impacts, natural resources, you know,
(19:56):
the next one I want to move into is a
real problem, and this is the terrorism issue coming out
of Pakistan. Now I can tell you I have a
lot of intimate prior knowledge of that situation. And what
makes it particularly difficult is that the United States has
(20:18):
had kind of this very let's say, tricky relationship with
the Pakistani ISI right after nine to eleven with the
Prime Minister basically George Bush Junior reached out and said, listen,
(20:38):
we're going to deliver the hammer unless you help us
hunt down al Qaida, and as well as those who
helped him, maybe Mulah Omar, and they shook their head
and said, yep, absolutely all good. And so when we do,
we invaded and I was there not even a year
after that. You know, we're going after these guys what
(21:03):
a lot of people don't recognize and don't know, and
that have come out in a bunch of different posts
nine to eleven kind of early invasion books about that
whole situation was the Pakistani ISI was actually airlifting thousands
of of Al Kaeda members and senior Talban leaders out
(21:25):
of Afghanistan into Pakistan. And so as we're trying to
go get the job done, the Pakistani government, their c
you know, their CIA, the ISI was running ups to
get these very valuable people, these terrorists, out of Afghanistan
and into the protected tribal regions of the Northwest Frontier
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Province as well as Baluchistan, which is the south south
what would be East region. And it's kind of an
old disputed region and a lot of people in that area.
I've always wanted Balluti and to have its own independence.
That's where mulah Omar was down near spin Bulldock and
Queta there was. That's where all those routes were going
(22:09):
back and forth. And those were the same routes that
America used to help get the Muhajaden in and attacking
the Russians back in the eighties. All right, So you know,
Pakistan for many years was a pretty low key I'm
not going to say low key, but they were certainly
(22:29):
not as aggressive as they started to become in the
late seventies the most aggressive, and seventy nine they burned
down the embassy, the American embassy. They've been had these
terrorist organizations that have been active and played an active
role in international terrorism since kind of really the Islamic
(22:49):
Revolution took place, right so you have the ISI that
is not only supporting and harboring and funding al Qaeda.
Let's just get to my next experience where I actually
worked in Pakistan when I was at the Agency doing
a bunch of different things, but at the lead up
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and after the Bin Laden raids. So that's where I
really began to understand the massive connection where I really
I think that shocked the world the true impact of
what Pakistan's hidden Islamists were capable of, not only I
(23:32):
mean you could argue that they're safe patches for Klead,
Shake Mohammad, and Bin Laden, but also being able to
fund other events with LT. Now this new organization that's
springing out of Lat and then you also have the
Pakistani Talban that's a different organization out there as well,
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So the LT. All of a sudden in two thousand
and eight, you had the Moonbai attacks. Now this is
what a fat part of this history that people aren't
really aware of. You had a woman come back in
whose father used to be the Prime Minister of Pakistan
back in the seventies Butu but then his daughter came
(24:14):
back in after being aunked Ran became the Pakistani PM,
which in her whole thing was she's going to try
and maybe not democratize in the way we think about it,
but more so open up Pakistan to greater relations with
the Western world. Well, she was assassinated by a suicide
(24:37):
bomber and was killed. I think it was six when
she was blown up. So with the six bombing of
her that re instituted power and in control from the
Pakistani military and Isi. I didn't understand the magnitude of
that power until I went there and worked in twenty eleven.
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Now post her assassination in two thousand and eight was
the Mumbai incident, and for me, this was the first
time that I really began to pay attention to this
Kashmir region. And in that assault which you had, which
you had ten members of led infiltrated into Mumbai via
(25:20):
an old school you know, these little you know rafts
that they hit the shore backpacks filled with aks and grenades,
and these men split up and they essentially ended up
murdering one hundred and sixty six people in India. They
hit a train station that was devastating, just wholesaling, slaughtering
(25:42):
people that were cowering in fear. And then they went to, hey,
we look up what the hotel. The name of the
hotel is the only five star hotel that was attacked
in the Mumbai incident. I forget what the name was,
and then look up how many people died there? For me,
but they assaulted this hotel and just randomly try started
(26:03):
killing foreign visitors and people and then ended up burning
the hotel to the ground. Did you find that, Jeordi.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So this was at the taj Mahall Palace and Tower hotel.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
How many people were killed there?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
A total of one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
People in the hotel and the train or both.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I think it was one hundred and seventy five total.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Okay, so thanks for correcting me on one hundred and
seventy five total, both at the train on the street
and then in this hotel. So that really got me
to a space where you know, oh my god, this
is a much bigger problem. They utilize these organizations because
what the theory is is that the ISI trains, equips
(26:50):
and supports these people and their terrace actions not only
in India but in the broader area of the region.
So you have this tear terrorism problem, right, and India
has had a very difficult time dealing with it. Well.
When Mody came into office twenty fourteen, I think, Jordi,
(27:14):
we look up make sure I'm dialed in on that one.
When Mody came into office, he changed, as you know,
he evolved. He said, We're not going to tolerate this anymore.
We're going to rise up and really started to institute
a very substantial sense of Hindu nationalism or populism or
(27:36):
religious I don't want to call it religious dogmatism, but
you know, to get behind the fact that they are
profoundly Hindu and they should represent that. Was I right
on the date on that twenty fourteen, Yeah, twenty fourteen,
Thank you, buddy. So now Mody gets in there, starts
projecting himself around the world as a very significant leader,
(28:00):
you know, in this fight between these two. But yet
these guys, they just continue to wreak havoc on them. Now,
the other major incident that I want to talk about
a little bit was in two thousand and nineteen the
(28:22):
Powama attacks in the Jammu and Kashmir region. It was
February fourteenth, right, This was a suicide bomber on a
paramilitary convoy that killed forty Indian soldiers. And this was
the group was J E. M Jaishi Mohammad and they
(28:43):
had claimed responsibility for this. So you know, these things
are ramping up and every time, you know, they keep going.
I think India has had a pretty substantial restraint. Well,
they're done as as I would imagine we would be
done as well if we were taking these many terrorist
(29:04):
attacks ourselves. So what are they going to do? They're
going to launch these strikes. Now, what's taking place in
the current engagement is pretty substantial, and what makes this
is the final aspect of my evaluation, if you will,
and that is the fact that both of these countries
(29:27):
have nuclear weapons. Sorry for the interruption, especially in such
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Thank you. Back to the show. I don't know about you,
(30:32):
but I'm pretty over holding my breath as a result
of the last several years in Ukraine, in Russia and
what's taking place there, And in no uncertain terms, all
you got to go do is go back to the
video and you can watch just about every significant Russian
(30:53):
leader said, hey, nuclear weapons are on because we understand
who's fueling this, we understand where weapons are coming from,
we understand what's that state, we understand what's going on. So, uh,
we're not going to play any games. If you don't
uh curtail any missile attacks or attacks into the you know,
(31:13):
into Russia, Mother Russia, then we're gonna be forced to
launch a nuclear reaction. Now. I don't know about you,
but I certainly I spent enough time listening to people
that were not only uh loosely involved in in you know,
(31:36):
the Cuban missile crisis, but certainly understood and and and
felt the effects of what that was, which was, you know,
the last time we were very close to nuclear annihilation. Now,
what's what's really been amazing for us in Russia is uh,
that assured nuclear deterrence, that assured destruction. Knowing that, hey,
(32:00):
if you go and we detect we are bombs automatically launch. Uh,
there's a great book out there. We look up the book,
her names and she wrote a book on a nuclear war.
It'll come up. She's she's been on Joe Rogan, she
was on Sean Show. But wrote this really intense, unbelievable
(32:23):
book that describes nuclear annihilation. Did you find it?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Annie Jacobson's book A Scenario?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Annie Jacobson's book Nuclear War A Scenario? Do yourself a
favor or that's kind of an odd thing to say
in that Jory maybe not call it a favor, but
it educates yourself, as what I'm saying, and go read
that book. And if you're not becoming a ardent anti
(32:54):
nuclear person, nuclear weapons person, then I don't know what
will make that. And that's where we're at. You know,
these two organizations, these two countries, India and Pakistan, neither
one of them have signed the nuclear proliferation agreements. India,
how however, has stated that we are not a first strike.
(33:16):
We're not going to be in that first strike. We
will only respond for Pakistan. And they're cowboys, right, and
if they feel the threats too high, they could launch that.
So nuclear Even if it's a tactical nuclear strike, Even
if it's small and you take out let's say seventy
(33:39):
million people, that's still going to initiate a nuclear winner
because that fallout will obviously that radiation is going to
get in and around the atmosphere and cover substantial portions
of the Earth. Did you find out what those numbers were?
What are they? I did?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So they're about neck and neck. India has approximately one
hundred and seventy two warheads and Pakistan has approximately one
hundred and seventy warheads. And it should be noted that
Pakistan is producing a little bit more per year than
India is, so India is slightly ahead, but Pakistan's growing faster.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Both those countries have stated, though by twenty twenty, twenty
thirty or twenty twenty, twenty twenty, it was a recent
one like twenty six, twenty seven, maybe that they both
want to be up to about four hundred nuclear devices.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
They want like almost double or basically.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Double, basically a little more double in the next three
to five years. That's not good. We don't need these
types of countries increasing nuclear arsenals. We need a degree decrease,
all right, so now that you have a broader overview,
what are my thoughts? What's my My opinion is that
(35:02):
China is already on the horn calling up UH, their
folks in in UH Pakistan and telling them, hey, an
halt enough of this ship, stop what you're doing, an
holt uh enough because the disruption to their UH tactical access,
(35:24):
shall we say, to the Indian Ocean, as well as
you know, to their access into both UH Pakistan, but
also more importantly, I think, for them into Afghanistan because
they just got all the contracts UH with UH for
all their rare earth minerals, in particular lithium, which is massive.
(35:45):
And then also it gives them a direct conduit to
their partners in Iran. So that's that's another thing. Whereas
I would also be willing to say that people within
the Trump administration, maybe Mark o'rubi or someone is on
the phone with Mody and saying, hey, what the hell
(36:05):
are you doing and halt We just signed a great agreement.
Don't you don't go flexing right now. Let's get you
built up. Let's, you know, increase your defenses, increase your military,
Let's give you a bunch of other you know abilities
to shoot down you know, an anti missile defense or
missile defense system. Let's sell you in a couple F
(36:25):
thirty fives or F sixteen's or whatever it is, and
slow your role, like chill a little bit, all right,
and stop with what you're doing. So, although it seems
to be something that could cause and is causing some
consternation for the global population and particular people of the region,
(36:46):
I do believe that the influence is so substantial on
both of those countries in their current states, particular the
relationship between India and the United States, obviously in Pakistan
and China, that this will hopefully be disfused in the
(37:07):
next several months. I think in these regions there's a
lot of sable rattling, so people don't lose face. But
I definitely don't think this is going to escalate now.
Making predictions like that not always the best thing to do.
Next thing, you know, people will start if I get
(37:28):
too many of these wrong, people are start calling me
the Jim Kramer of national security, and god, I don't
want that, Moniker. So I hope this has been informative
to you. I really hope that it's enabled you to
get a broader spectrum of what's taking place. You remember,
that's really our job. On the David Brutherford Show, I
(37:51):
said that from the beginning, you're always under the tsunami
of inflammation. Of inflammation, right, that's my body. You're under
the tsunami of information coming at you from all different aspects,
and you really don't have that much time. So hopefully
I was able to consolidate that. And it looks like
we're right around you know, forty minutes. Is that where
(38:12):
we're at right now? Just about? All right? Man? So
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