May 13, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a fiery and thought-provoking discussion centered on immigration, race politics, and media hypocrisy, with a spotlight on the controversy surrounding President Donald Trump’s decision to welcome approximately 50 white South African migrants into the United States. This hour dives deep into the cultural and political backlash from the left, exposing what the hosts describe as the Democratic Party’s selective outrage and racial double standards.
Clay and Buck begin by highlighting the stark contrast between the left’s outrage over a small group of legal, white South African immigrants and their years-long support for millions of illegal immigrants crossing the southern border. They argue that the backlash reveals a deeper issue within the Democratic Party—what they call an entrenched anti-white sentiment and a fractured identity politics coalition that is increasingly alienating working-class and minority voters.
The hosts explore the deteriorating conditions in South Africa, including racially motivated land seizures, violence against white farmers, and political rhetoric from South African leaders that openly threatens the white minority. They play clips from South African political figures and U.S. media pundits, including a controversial MSNBC segment defending land redistribution and CNN commentary suggesting white South Africans should “go back to Germany or Holland.” Clay and Buck challenge this logic, questioning how long someone must live in a country to be considered native and drawing parallels to American immigration debates.
The conversation expands into a broader critique of the left’s immigration policies, arguing for a merit-based system that prioritizes skilled, English-speaking immigrants who can contribute to the U.S. economy. They compare immigration to a professional sports draft, advocating for America to “draft” the best and brightest from around the world rather than importing unskilled labor.
The hour also features listener reactions, including calls for CNN’s Jake Tapper to appear on the show and answer for his past coverage of President Biden’s cognitive decline. Clay and Buck debate whether Tapper should be held accountable for what they see as media complicity in covering up Biden’s unfitness for office.
In a lighter segment, the hosts celebrate the New York Knicks’ playoff success and share a humorous anecdote about Clay’s wife defending King Henry VIII’s legacy—aside from the beheadings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour of play and Buck kicks off now.
And we told you yesterday about this story. I wanted
to follow up on it. You have about fifty fifty
or so South African Afrikaner migrants who have been welcomed
into America my President Trumpet the administration. This is not
(00:25):
even a busy hour under the Biden border in one
sector of the border in terms of migrants, and those
were illegals. These are, of course legal migrants who are
entering the country at our request, with our permission, as
they are supposed to. But Clay, we now have to
address something and it is not something that I ever
(00:47):
thought would come up in quite this way. The Democrats
are just furious about America's warm embrace of African migrants
into our great nation. They all of a sudden have
a problem with I thought we were a nation of immigrants.
(01:10):
I thought that everything was supposed to be this way,
where we just bring in people from wherever or in fact,
they thought it was supposed to be that people could
just choose to come, they could break our laws, they
could just show up. We all know what's going on here.
And it's very interesting because they're quite upset by this situation,
and it's because I think it shows a lot of
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the rot, the moral and intellectual rot that has completely
overtaken the Democrat Party and the left, and specifically on
issues relating to not just immigration but race. And this
is shown by the fact that they are so upset
over fifty white migrants showing up from South Africa. And
(01:56):
the reason is that they're showing up because the government
of South Africa, which is now is black. I mean,
everyone who runs the country essentially is black, is being
racist to their white minority. And this is something that's
very hard for the Democrat mind to accept or comprehend.
How is it possible we have trained and told everybody
(02:19):
for so many years, Clay that white people are the
bad people whenever it comes to race relations, that any
injustice that occurs in the realm of race must be
white people doing it to somebody else. And this is
where this whole thing has turned into something of a
farce because Democrats suddenly find themselves upset about the Scott Jennings,
(02:43):
who does, as we know, great work on CNN. He
pointed this out last night on CNN when they had
a panel on this. This is cut nineteen listen in.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I do think it's not alleged discrimination that these people
are facing in South Africa. I mean, the law there
absolutely allows their property to be confiscated. They are subject
to racial discript eminations, some have been subject to violence
from some reports that I have read.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I mean, we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Fifty something people, and the people who seem to be
angriest about this today had no problem with twenty million
coming here, some of the worst people in the world
coming here, including gang members and so on and so forth.
So I don't have a lot of sympathy for the
folks who are outraged today after what happened to this
country over the last several years over fifty something people
who are clearly being discriminated against in South Africa.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Clai, I mean, if you asked the average MSNBC guest
or CNN host, who would you rather have here an
a legal MS thirteen gang member or a legal immigrant
from South Africa fleeing oppression who happens to be white.
I think we all know the answer. Yeah, it's not
a difficult call. And to me, this is emblematic of
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one of the major structural issues that the Democrat Party
has they're racist against white people now as a huge
part of their base, also anti Semitic as a huge
part of their base. And this identity politics coalition that
we all were told they had built during Obama's presidency.
(04:12):
You talked about how Obama did not have any sort
of substantial sort of a glow, He didn't have any
ability to transcend or bring his popularity to other people. Right,
his coattails did not actually drag very many other people
into office. In fact, the reality was things went worse
(04:33):
for Democrats. But look at what they've done since, because
this is the natural result of this. They ran Hillary
Clinton in twenty sixteen, and what did they argue? It's
her time, It's time for a woman to be president.
They tried to identity politics coalition Hillary into the White House.
Then they actually went back completely on it and went
(04:54):
with Joe Biden, the oldest, whitest, as we just said,
least mentally and physically competent president that we've probably ever
had in any of our lives. And they dragged him
across the finish line because buck I think they got
lucky with COVID happening, which allowed them to hide him
in the basement otherwise Trump would have won comfortably in
twenty twenty and then in twenty twenty four would they
(05:14):
do They went back to the identity politics coalition and
they got stamped and they cannot escape it. Now they
have unleashed the crazy inside of their party, and the
crazy is of the opinion that white men were and
are the root evil of society. And then of course
(05:36):
it's expanded to Hispanic men and Asian men and black men,
because all of masculinity is now toxic and they do
not have anyone.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They don't have anyone.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
This this is where I come back to again, Who
is a normal dude in the Democrat Party? Who is
just a guy that you would like to have a
beer with that has in any way a prominent voice
in the Democrat Party. To me, this is all connected
to the problem they had. They recognized the issue. They
tried to bring in a guy like Tim Walls, but
they are hemorrhaging support from normal men all over the country.
(06:11):
And I think a lot of normal women have followed
them too. But this is profoundly a rebellion from the
Democrat Party being led by men such that, remember Buck,
they had Obama try to lecture black men for not
showing up and supporting Kamala enough. Remember that right in
the tail end of the campaign they had Obama. Their
big strategy on how to turn out black men was
(06:33):
to have Obama tell all black men out there, Hey,
you're being a little bit sexist because you're not supporting
You're not supporting Kamala enough. All of this, I think
is blowing up in their faces. And I think when
you see a story like this out of South Africa,
it is evidence. And I sent to Greg we'll see
when this clip comes in. But on interviews, leaders in
(06:56):
South Africa are basically saying, hey, we need to kill
more white people in the country. Well, there's you're talking.
There's a there's a song that goes back to the
days of apartheid, and it was it's they talk about
killing the bore, which is a reference to the Dutch
ancestry africaner farmers.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And Look, there was a repulsive and immoral system of
apartheid in South Africa and when it was then removed,
they unfortunately replaced it with something that it could have
been a rule of law everyone is treated equal democracy,
but what they replaced it with was a racial entitlement state.
(07:38):
So certainly not as bad as apartheid was, but still bad.
I mean they've still got big you know, you still
have rules that disenfranchise the seven percent. You know, it's
a small, pretty small minority of the country, but the
seven percent of the country that is white explicitly so.
And the country is having huge, huge problems. I mean,
(08:01):
if you look at the economy, crime, I mean, all
of the issues of governance for certainly the last thirty
years or so that you could measure in South Africa,
it the place is a mess. And they've got rolling blackouts.
They literally can't keep the lights on in this country.
And this was not something that had existed previously. So
they've got a lot of challenges, a lot of problems.
(08:22):
But bring it back here for a second. Why you know,
for first of all, as you've pointed out, you know,
Disney like freaks out and doesn't want to have the
baseball game in Georgia or something. What was it again,
I know, over the Atlanta over the new Georgia voting bill,
which actually has increased the number of people that are
(08:43):
out in their vote. But yeah, they pulled the All
Star Game out of Atlanta. So so the hint of
the smallest injustice in this country that you know affects
people that the left cares about is a national crisis.
But an open policy of racial discrimination, which is what
it is in South Africa, we should be opposed in
principle because it is based in principle against racial discrimination
(09:07):
anywhere in any form. We just had to have a
reckoning with this in our own country where the affirmative
action policies that had been in place were racist, They
were wrong, they were unconstitutional. Supreme Court finally has started
to write that right, that wrong and clay the Democrats,
though they're so up I actually watched this MSNBC panel
(09:30):
this morning on this here is this is twenty one.
They're angry that we took fifty South African migrants. They
really this is a big problem for them. Play twenty one.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
So deeply and morally wrongheaded and repulse of these are
the descendants of the people who created the most diabolical
system of white supremacy in human history at Caritheid. This
is a modern replacement there in a country where, by
the way, white people make up seven percent of the
population and own seventy eight percent.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Of the farm land.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
So actually there's no injustice here. It's taking places away
from refugees. We're really being crushed by authoritarian governments and
for these folks who have never had anything happen to them.
And Trump amazingly called it a genocide, one of the
worst lies I've ever heard him say. There's just been
a small handful of farmers that have been killed over
the past ten years. No land has actually been expropriated.
(10:23):
It's just a forest and a sham and a moral ugliness.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's not a small handful of people that have been
killed to start with that, okay, but beyond that, clay,
So what do they want to have happened here? Because
what they did in Zimbabwe, this is why I brought
it up yesterday, was land expropriation. It was okay, too
many white people here own land. We're taking it and
we're giving it. And that's why I brought up that documentary,
Mugabe and the White African and we're giving it to
(10:49):
the people. You know, what happened the country started to
basically starve. I don't think they really want to go
down that route in South Africa, but they don't want
to say that because they don't want to actually have
to face the realities of the system that they are
presiding over. Listen to this. This is from June of
twenty eighteen, but I wanted to play it. This is
(11:09):
Julius Malema. He's a leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters.
In an interview, he says, we're not calling right now
for the killing of white people. This is the kind
of environment that exists. This is a media interview, cut
thirty seven.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I don't know what's going to OpenD in the future,
I'm saying to you with not called for the killing
of white people at least for now, I can't guarantee
the future. Yeah, but I mean you'd understand somebody watching that,
especially as it gets shared.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
On Twitter, they freak out.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
It sounds like a genocidel. Ah, can I babies, Can
I baby? I'm not calling for the slot of white people,
at least for now. I can't give you gante of
the fusion, especially when things are going the way they are.
Some text especially think if things are win the way
they are, there'll be a revolution in this country.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I can tell you now, I'm not for the execution
of white people right now. And he doubles downward he's
very clear. He's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's like,
don't be a.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Bit of myss. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's not misspeaking. If you have an issue with that,
you're a cry baby. And then there's also the singing.
I meant to get to this, but I got diverted.
The singing of the song shoot the Boar, you know,
shoot the Farmer, which has been there's video of that
which is circulated from I mean, it's a stadium full
of people. It's like, let's say, I don't know, forty
thousand people or something, we're all singing shoot the white people.
(12:30):
And this is from the head of a political party, right,
So you know, if the head of the libertarian party
in this country was I'm just picking a random party,
but you know, if the head of any party in
this country was having rallies where they're saying we're not
calling for the execution of our fellow citizens yet, or
cheering and chanting about it, I think people would have
a problem with that. But you see, Democrats always have
(12:50):
to pretend, they have to pretend to be the heroes
and the civil rights struggles that they had nothing to
do with and so whenever you bring up South Africa,
all they want to talk about is southad Africa from
forty to fifty sixty years ago. Yeah, they don't want
to talk about South Africa today, which is the problem,
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Speaker 1 (14:24):
Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. All right, So Buck,
CNN last night, I think you'd mentioned this a little bit.
Scott Jennings got into it with some of the panelists
on the CNN primetime show, The Abby Phillips Show, and
I want you to listen to how crazy The answer
(14:44):
is here from this woman who's debating. We'll figure out
her name in a sec but she says, well, if
they're not happy in South Africa, they should just go
back to the country that they came from hundreds of
years ago. Because I think this gets into a really
interesting question, at what point are you a native of
where you actually live? I would argue it's way less
(15:06):
than hundreds of years ago, but listen to this discussion.
She says, if they're not happy, they should just go
back to Germany or Holland or wherever.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Thirty five thirty plus years ago, they went through the
partheid system ended and they reformed their constitution under the
great leader of Nelson Mandela, and that allowed for a
racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But South Africa did it.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
And they reformed their constitution. And part of that is
that the people who are native to that land deserve
their rightful land back. That is not what the Afrikaaners
actually want to have happened, which are the white Africans
and so who are not originally from Africa who colonize
South Africa also, and so that is what they are
(15:55):
saying is discrimination. Now, if the constitution in South Africa
is discriminator, right, they have their text and balances in
that land just like we do, and that is for
them to So if the Africaners don't actually like the land,
they can leave that country they are to come here.
They can actually even go to where their native land is,
(16:15):
which is probably Germany.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Are you against and coming here Holland from Holland? Are
you against in coming here.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I'm against the hypocrisy of this.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
A minute, I think we can have a big discussion
as it is.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
How I have to be careful that to curse sometimes
and I listen to some of these cliffs go back
to their native land. Like if you say that in
the United States about somebody who's been here like ten years,
you are a crazy racist, right, go back to where
you came from. Yeah, minutes, if you're a friend of
Aragua gangbanger who lies to immigration authority, sneaks into the countries,
(16:48):
you can beat your wife in human traffic.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
The lives are like.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
He's as American as Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
How wild is this?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
They wanted to go back to Germany and Holland from
where the hundreds of years ago. There's a million ways
to analyze this. Whatever it's anti whiteness was made fashionable
in the Democrat Party. Was mandatory belief in the Democrat
Party that people say, well, what about the white people
vote Democrat? Yeah, they're collaborators with the ideology. They think
(17:18):
that they're above it and better than the other white
people that have to be constantly maligned and undermined. Fair question,
because I do think this is interesting. How long do
you have to live somewhere to be considered a native?
I think if people have been somewhere for I'm trying
to the math them. I had three hundred and fifty
some odd years because the Dutchyst India Company landed in
(17:39):
South Africa. By the way they built the country too,
there was no country. Of course, there were warring African tribes.
The Zulu tribe was a conquering tribe that came one
hundred and fifty years after the Dutch arrived there. But
no one knows history, so you know whatever, it's like, Oh,
why don't we give the give all of our land
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Clay and Buck. We want to take a bunch of
your calls and talkbacks here before we close up shop
in the back half of this hour, So light us
up eight hundred and two A two two eight A
two on those phone lines, and you know what, actually, Clais,
(19:03):
take a couple now, and then we'll dive back into
this discussion because I agree with you the yeah, the
white South African should go back to where they came
from in the sixteen fifties, like what hundreds of years ago.
This is like me or you being like you should
just go back to Ireland or England, like what, I've
been here for hundreds of years.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's it's remarkable.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I mean, just imagine if you applied that to
other people and their races, for example, in this country,
like go back. If you said to anybody, go back
to where you came from in America and they were
non white, it's a it's a.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Huge, huge scannel.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But here we are on TV as CNN commentators like
they could go back to I don't know, I don't
think the South Africans have spent a lot of time
in Germany that she's referring to. But just go back
to Germany. And then somebody else interjects holland you know, like,
oh oh, that makes it easier.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
These people have been in South Africa for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well this is an easy talk about We like this one. AA.
Jerome from Des.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Moines, Clay and Buck, you guys are awesome. Thanks for everything, short.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And sweet man, thank you, you know, just take a
little pick me up there. I appreciate that. Thank you, Jerome.
And we've also got BB Dustin from Phoenix, hit it.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Hey clon Buck Dustin from Arizona.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Man, I think you guys should get Jake Tapper on
there and really hammer him. I want Buck to do
what Clay did to Mike Tens.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
That would be awesome radio.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Thanks guys, keep up to go work Clay.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
If if we have Taper on and if he deserves
the code red, are you gonna call for a code red?
Or you're gonna be like I hear you like the Eagles?
They play football too, you.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Know I am not.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I think Jake Tapper should have to explain to this
audience why he is in any way trustworthy when he
did not cover Biden's dementia when he was on air
daily on CNN, and I think you should have to answer.
I think you should have to answer question. I don't
think he'll come on. I think he will find a
reason not to come on because he has goaded me
that he should be allowed to come on to respond
(21:04):
to us. So okay, okay, you know he's gone right
to me and said, you know, I don't know what
you're saying on your show. I think you do know
what you're saying, because you're like texting me and telling
me you want to come on. So I look the
caller for people who forgot. I do not feel like
typically it is our job to fight with people who
come on the program in general, But when you won't
(21:29):
answer a like for people who don't remember. I got
really fired up at Mike Pence because he wouldn't answer
a question about whether, if he were elected president, he
would pardon Trump in the event that Trump they tried
to put him in prison. I think that is an
integral question that a presidential candidate should have to answer.
And when you are running for president, which is an
(21:49):
entirely hypothetical base decision, right, all you say is if
I am elected, then I will do If A, then
I will do B.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
The entire presidency is an extended hypothetic And when he said, well,
I don't really want to get into hypotheticals, to me,
it was insulting to the audience because his answer was actually, no,
he wouldn't have. And I think Mike Pence's political career
is over. I think he couldn't get elected in the
state of Indiana to any office right now. That's my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong. I certainly know he has no presidential
(22:18):
future in this country. I remember Clay decided to hand
out a spanking on air that day. But when you
disrespect the audience. I'm not saying that I'm going to
agree with every guest, or that you're going to agree
with every guest, and we shouldn't. There should be a
variety of perspectives. But when you lie or when you
are dishonest with this audience, it is an insult to
(22:40):
I think the audience, and that upsets me as I
just hold also because they're not being honest. One thing
that we don't do here is we don't invite people
in or invite people on under the auspices of hey,
you know, you said something really interesting. We'd love to
just have a conversation and then ambush them. They used
to do that to me at CNN all the time.
I would go on at CNN, they would I'm not
(23:01):
making this up at all. I'm not not exaggerating that
I'd be sitting there with my little earpiece and they'd say, hey,
we're actually going to change the topic, and you know,
the anchor wants to pull in this tweet that we
just found that's basically like, hey, why are all Republicans
such evil racist? So like you're gonna respond to that?
I mean, they would do, they would. It was just
ambush stuff all the time. We don't ambush people. If
Tapper and Alex whatever his name is comes on the show,
(23:23):
they know in advance that I think this whole project
is absolute garbage, that this speaking truth to power thing
is preposterous, that they were part of the lie, that
they were cowards when it mattered, and that trying to
tell us now the facts that they should have told
this at least a year if not more ago is
not it's not praiseworthy. It's just an effort in political
(23:48):
cya and trying to cash in on the line. So
they know that we feel that way. So if they
come on, just understand it's not like, hey man heard
you did a great book. You want to come on
and have a conversation because this so just to be clear,
so we'll come right out of the gates. It would
not be a normal interview because I'm gonna say so.
I never so we've played the you know anyway. I
don't want to get ahead of whether whether we have
the guys on or not. We'll see, But I do
(24:10):
think that it's important to keep in mind that when
we invite people on, they know if it's going to
be you know, to invite them on to have a
conversation or if we have a problem with what they're saying,
and this would be in the latter. So there's no
there's no like, there's no surprise here, there's no U. Anyway,
let's get back into this South afric conversation here for
a second, because I thought this was also really interesting.
(24:32):
MSNBC's yamiche Al Sindor, who is very upset this is
twenty two the notion that South Africans, the you know, Africaner,
white South Africans can assimilate well play twenty two.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white
South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as as
much of a security risk.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's really causing a.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Lot of people to be appalled, frankly, and I also
to tell people that there's violence that they're talking about
that are dealing with these Afrikaaners. I've been hearing from
people that say there is violence in South Africa, but
it's affecting everybody of every single race.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I mean, that's a non sequitor at the end. But
let me just throw let me just throw this out there.
Clay our whole immigration system is based on we pick
people for things that we think are worthy to pick
and that will be good. So things like being able
to speak English matters, yes, things like do you have
cultural or familial ties into this country already matters. And
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bringing in third worlders who can't speak English, with no
education in any language whatsoever, whose first act on US
soil is illegal and then they immediately want their welfare,
which is what Biden did for four years, and it's
happened a lot before then too. That's actually not what
our immigration system is supposed to be. Assimilation is supposed
to happen. We just had the NBA draft yesterday, and
(25:50):
this is the argument writ large that I would support
on immigration. We should be taking the most skilled practitioners
of all different sorts of disciplines from all over the
world and bringing them here and allowing our setup, our
foundational legal systems to let those people have more success
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than they would otherwise be able to have in their
native country. I don't think we should be bringing in
people that are not highly skilled. This is my argument
for legal immigration, and it's the opposite of what was
happening there and what the Trump team, to my Knowledge
has argued is these are highly educated English speaking individuals
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who will be immediately able to go to work and
provide tax paying support in the United States. And I
think most of you out there, regardless of where we're
bringing people in. Would I like to bring in more doctors, Yes,
I think we could use more highly skilled, highly trained
doctors from other parts of the country. Would I like engineers,
Would I like incredibly talented software engineers. Would I like
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all of the best experts in so many different fields
of medicine and beyond from other parts of the world
to be able to come here and found new companies
and be more successful. Yes, that is the first round
draft pick analogy of the American immigration system, which we
need more of and less focus on unskilled immigrants. I
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mean one thing, you know, I in my forthcoming book,
which will be out, it looks like January if next year.
The one of the chapters play I get into is
on the immigration issue. And I just talk about being
at the US Mexico border, specifically in the San Diego sector,
and you sit there and you're looking, and you go on,
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there's there's the reality on one side of the border,
the reality the other side of the border and there's
a fence and you can see it in real time,
and you go on one side of this fence is chaos, disorder, crime,
you know, all kinds of problems. On the other side,
it's like a beautiful nation. It's like a beautiful state park,
and you know, ten million dollar homes down the beach.
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It's the same beach. The difference is the people there
and the political system.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That they have created.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right, this is we have to get back down to
a very very basic understanding of reality here. And VIP
email from Ron, which I think is actullently. He says,
this woman, meaning a CNN commentator, has no clue what
she's talking about. When the Dutch came to South Africa,
there were no natives. There were no native tribes. The Zulus,
which as I said this, were much further north. The
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other tribe in the area where the Bantu, who were
with a wandering people. They were not settled. They did
not have cities, they did not have towns. They were
essentially herdsmen on the move. I added that part, but
that's what he's saying. South Africa was empty. There were
no settlements. The Dutch made South Africa and settled where
there weren't actually people. The Afrikaaners are the original natives
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in that sense. Even the Zulus weren't organized as a
power yet. So the land mass of Africa we are
to believe in apparently belongs to people, the entire land
mass of darker skin because and what's fascinating about this
as you say, okay, well, you're gonna have to explain
that to the whole Northern African contingent that are Arab
(29:15):
Muslims that came as part of waves of conquest. By
the way, like we could play this game all day,
how long do you have to be somewhere to be
considered a native is a really difficult question for people
who want to argue against argue colonies and colonizers. Let
me just point this out.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
If you believe human.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we all in
some way are native to Africa. So all these individuals
would be is doing a return to their ancestral homeland
when they came from Holland or wherever in Europe back
to Africa. Let me ask you a fun one. Are
the Palestinians native to Palestine?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
They are not not under these rules. They first of all,
there is no there is no Palestine. But put that aside.
Were they in the region, No, they absolutely were not
in the region. It was Greek settlement and then it
was and Jewish. But I'm just saying, I mean the
Mediterranean basin ancient Greece and Jews and Phoenicians. And guess
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what they were Arab invaders who showed up and brought
Islam and decided, Hey, we're going to replace the holiness
in this city with our own stuff. So are they
Are they original? No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Actually, well it's.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Just around since the seventh century. Man, they're late to
the game. But yet it's their land. Well it's just
so arbitrary, right, like when you are going to decide
when is a land claim valid and when is it
not valid?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
And historically everyone is from Africa, right, so all you're
doing when you are coming to South Africa is returning
to your ancestral homeland. Now, look, this is also absurd
because if you say, like you're a native New York,
Everybody's like, okay, yeah, your life you have spent in
New York. I'm a native Tennessee and I've spent most
(31:05):
of my life in Tennessee. Nobody would argue it, but
our lives are relatively short periods. But this is why
you get into how arbitrary this whole thing is. I'd
also just point out that, I mean, you look at
something like the US, the US, you know, expansion into
the West and the birth of Texas, and you know
who is fighting with us against fans of Comanche raiders
(31:28):
for example, other native tribes that they had dispossessed from
their land and in some cases murdered, mutilated, and enslaved.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
They were all fighting each other here, and they built
no cities, and they had no written language, and some
of them were so ticked off at the others that
they joined the white guys to hunt down their hated
enemies because they stole their land. I mean, more research
on the French and Indian War, Like they allied to
French to kill a lot of us, right, I mean,
but historically, yes, your point is there were many different
(31:59):
native tribes that fighting for generations.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
We got here.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
America is thankfully the greatest country that's ever existed in
the history of the world. But it is funny to
me that, oh, you can tell the South African white
people go back to your country on CNN and they've.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Been there hundreds of years.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But this, fundamentally, this is just exposing the anti whiteness
that is a central organizing belief of the American left
and the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
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You were saying you got caught in the subway with
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, couple
of things. We had Mother's Day on Sunday. I meant
to mention this before. I think it was Friday of
last week. Laura pulled me aside as wives do, and
she said, you and Buck were totally wrong about one
of the conversational topics you were involved in. And I said, Okay,
(34:40):
was not expecting it to be this. She said, you
both completely underrated Henry the Eighth as a British king.
She said downside, yes, he may have headed some some wives.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I said, Laura, you're gonna get me canceled for your
opinion sharing it on television. But she was like, he
was actually a great king. He's one of the greatest
British kings of all time. Now she is obsessed with
the royal family. The other day I walked into the kitchen.
She's listening to like British podcasts on The Harry Charles Relationship.
(35:16):
I admittedly enjoy some of the drama, but I was
not expecting, of all the opinions that we give on
this show for Laura to be like, you guys did
not give Henry the Eighth the credit that he deserves
other than the beheading of the queens.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He was one of the best kings. I swear she.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Said that she was one of the best kings that
England ever had. Yeah, it's chopped off, as I said,
why too. I wish that I would get the lenia
treatment that Henry the Eighth got from my wife's. Like,
you know, he was a really good leader other than
(35:54):
beheading his wives.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm not if I get canceled over my wife's opinion
of Henry the Eighth. This is gonna be unprecedented, but
I will tell you that I did my research and
he was a very successful king other than the beheading
of the wives, one of the three or four best
and when they rank kings.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
That ever ruled England.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So I was not expecting for our takes on Henry
the Eighth to have triggered my wife, but I wanted
to make sure that I that I cleaned that up
a little bit there. He did leave us with the
Church of England, which is a conversation for another time.
But I don't know how you factored that one with
his legacy. I will have to get to more talkbacks
than everything else tomorrow because we are at time for today,
(36:40):
but yeah, it's gonna be another fantastic show. Go check
out the podcast network in the meantime, and we'll be
back with it tomorrow
All right, third hour of play and Buck kicks off now.
And we told you yesterday about this story. I wanted
to follow up on it. You have about fifty fifty
or so South African Afrikaner migrants who have been welcomed
into America my President Trumpet the administration. This is not
(00:25):
even a busy hour under the Biden border in one
sector of the border in terms of migrants, and those
were illegals. These are, of course legal migrants who are
entering the country at our request, with our permission, as
they are supposed to. But Clay, we now have to
address something and it is not something that I ever
(00:47):
thought would come up in quite this way. The Democrats
are just furious about America's warm embrace of African migrants
into our great nation. They all of a sudden have
a problem with I thought we were a nation of immigrants.
(01:10):
I thought that everything was supposed to be this way,
where we just bring in people from wherever or in fact,
they thought it was supposed to be that people could
just choose to come, they could break our laws, they
could just show up. We all know what's going on here.
And it's very interesting because they're quite upset by this situation,
and it's because I think it shows a lot of
(01:32):
the rot, the moral and intellectual rot that has completely
overtaken the Democrat Party and the left, and specifically on
issues relating to not just immigration but race. And this
is shown by the fact that they are so upset
over fifty white migrants showing up from South Africa. And
(01:56):
the reason is that they're showing up because the government
of South Africa, which is now is black. I mean,
everyone who runs the country essentially is black, is being
racist to their white minority. And this is something that's
very hard for the Democrat mind to accept or comprehend.
How is it possible we have trained and told everybody
(02:19):
for so many years, Clay that white people are the
bad people whenever it comes to race relations, that any
injustice that occurs in the realm of race must be
white people doing it to somebody else. And this is
where this whole thing has turned into something of a
farce because Democrats suddenly find themselves upset about the Scott Jennings,
(02:43):
who does, as we know, great work on CNN. He
pointed this out last night on CNN when they had
a panel on this. This is cut nineteen listen in.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I do think it's not alleged discrimination that these people
are facing in South Africa. I mean, the law there
absolutely allows their property to be confiscated. They are subject
to racial discript eminations, some have been subject to violence
from some reports that I have read.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I mean, we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Fifty something people, and the people who seem to be
angriest about this today had no problem with twenty million
coming here, some of the worst people in the world
coming here, including gang members and so on and so forth.
So I don't have a lot of sympathy for the
folks who are outraged today after what happened to this
country over the last several years over fifty something people
who are clearly being discriminated against in South Africa.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Clai, I mean, if you asked the average MSNBC guest
or CNN host, who would you rather have here an
a legal MS thirteen gang member or a legal immigrant
from South Africa fleeing oppression who happens to be white.
I think we all know the answer. Yeah, it's not
a difficult call. And to me, this is emblematic of
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one of the major structural issues that the Democrat Party
has they're racist against white people now as a huge
part of their base, also anti Semitic as a huge
part of their base. And this identity politics coalition that
we all were told they had built during Obama's presidency.
(04:12):
You talked about how Obama did not have any sort
of substantial sort of a glow, He didn't have any
ability to transcend or bring his popularity to other people. Right,
his coattails did not actually drag very many other people
into office. In fact, the reality was things went worse
(04:33):
for Democrats. But look at what they've done since, because
this is the natural result of this. They ran Hillary
Clinton in twenty sixteen, and what did they argue? It's
her time, It's time for a woman to be president.
They tried to identity politics coalition Hillary into the White House.
Then they actually went back completely on it and went
(04:54):
with Joe Biden, the oldest, whitest, as we just said,
least mentally and physically competent president that we've probably ever
had in any of our lives. And they dragged him
across the finish line because buck I think they got
lucky with COVID happening, which allowed them to hide him
in the basement otherwise Trump would have won comfortably in
twenty twenty and then in twenty twenty four would they
(05:14):
do They went back to the identity politics coalition and
they got stamped and they cannot escape it. Now they
have unleashed the crazy inside of their party, and the
crazy is of the opinion that white men were and
are the root evil of society. And then of course
(05:36):
it's expanded to Hispanic men and Asian men and black men,
because all of masculinity is now toxic and they do
not have anyone.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They don't have anyone.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
This this is where I come back to again, Who
is a normal dude in the Democrat Party? Who is
just a guy that you would like to have a
beer with that has in any way a prominent voice
in the Democrat Party. To me, this is all connected
to the problem they had. They recognized the issue. They
tried to bring in a guy like Tim Walls, but
they are hemorrhaging support from normal men all over the country.
(06:11):
And I think a lot of normal women have followed
them too. But this is profoundly a rebellion from the
Democrat Party being led by men such that, remember Buck,
they had Obama try to lecture black men for not
showing up and supporting Kamala enough. Remember that right in
the tail end of the campaign they had Obama. Their
big strategy on how to turn out black men was
(06:33):
to have Obama tell all black men out there, Hey,
you're being a little bit sexist because you're not supporting
You're not supporting Kamala enough. All of this, I think
is blowing up in their faces. And I think when
you see a story like this out of South Africa,
it is evidence. And I sent to Greg we'll see
when this clip comes in. But on interviews, leaders in
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South Africa are basically saying, hey, we need to kill
more white people in the country. Well, there's you're talking.
There's a there's a song that goes back to the
days of apartheid, and it was it's they talk about
killing the bore, which is a reference to the Dutch
ancestry africaner farmers.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And Look, there was a repulsive and immoral system of
apartheid in South Africa and when it was then removed,
they unfortunately replaced it with something that it could have
been a rule of law everyone is treated equal democracy,
but what they replaced it with was a racial entitlement state.
(07:38):
So certainly not as bad as apartheid was, but still bad.
I mean they've still got big you know, you still
have rules that disenfranchise the seven percent. You know, it's
a small, pretty small minority of the country, but the
seven percent of the country that is white explicitly so.
And the country is having huge, huge problems. I mean,
(08:01):
if you look at the economy, crime, I mean, all
of the issues of governance for certainly the last thirty
years or so that you could measure in South Africa,
it the place is a mess. And they've got rolling blackouts.
They literally can't keep the lights on in this country.
And this was not something that had existed previously. So
they've got a lot of challenges, a lot of problems.
(08:22):
But bring it back here for a second. Why you know,
for first of all, as you've pointed out, you know,
Disney like freaks out and doesn't want to have the
baseball game in Georgia or something. What was it again,
I know, over the Atlanta over the new Georgia voting bill,
which actually has increased the number of people that are
(08:43):
out in their vote. But yeah, they pulled the All
Star Game out of Atlanta. So so the hint of
the smallest injustice in this country that you know affects
people that the left cares about is a national crisis.
But an open policy of racial discrimination, which is what
it is in South Africa, we should be opposed in
principle because it is based in principle against racial discrimination
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anywhere in any form. We just had to have a
reckoning with this in our own country where the affirmative
action policies that had been in place were racist, They
were wrong, they were unconstitutional. Supreme Court finally has started
to write that right, that wrong and clay the Democrats,
though they're so up I actually watched this MSNBC panel
(09:30):
this morning on this here is this is twenty one.
They're angry that we took fifty South African migrants. They
really this is a big problem for them. Play twenty one.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
So deeply and morally wrongheaded and repulse of these are
the descendants of the people who created the most diabolical
system of white supremacy in human history at Caritheid. This
is a modern replacement there in a country where, by
the way, white people make up seven percent of the
population and own seventy eight percent.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Of the farm land.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
So actually there's no injustice here. It's taking places away
from refugees. We're really being crushed by authoritarian governments and
for these folks who have never had anything happen to them.
And Trump amazingly called it a genocide, one of the
worst lies I've ever heard him say. There's just been
a small handful of farmers that have been killed over
the past ten years. No land has actually been expropriated.
(10:23):
It's just a forest and a sham and a moral ugliness.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's not a small handful of people that have been
killed to start with that, okay, but beyond that, clay,
So what do they want to have happened here? Because
what they did in Zimbabwe, this is why I brought
it up yesterday, was land expropriation. It was okay, too
many white people here own land. We're taking it and
we're giving it. And that's why I brought up that documentary,
Mugabe and the White African and we're giving it to
(10:49):
the people. You know, what happened the country started to
basically starve. I don't think they really want to go
down that route in South Africa, but they don't want
to say that because they don't want to actually have
to face the realities of the system that they are
presiding over. Listen to this. This is from June of
twenty eighteen, but I wanted to play it. This is
(11:09):
Julius Malema. He's a leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters.
In an interview, he says, we're not calling right now
for the killing of white people. This is the kind
of environment that exists. This is a media interview, cut
thirty seven.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I don't know what's going to OpenD in the future,
I'm saying to you with not called for the killing
of white people at least for now, I can't guarantee
the future. Yeah, but I mean you'd understand somebody watching that,
especially as it gets shared.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
On Twitter, they freak out.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
It sounds like a genocidel. Ah, can I babies, Can
I baby? I'm not calling for the slot of white people,
at least for now. I can't give you gante of
the fusion, especially when things are going the way they are.
Some text especially think if things are win the way
they are, there'll be a revolution in this country.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I can tell you now, I'm not for the execution
of white people right now. And he doubles downward he's
very clear. He's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's like,
don't be a.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Bit of myss. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's not misspeaking. If you have an issue with that,
you're a cry baby. And then there's also the singing.
I meant to get to this, but I got diverted.
The singing of the song shoot the Boar, you know,
shoot the Farmer, which has been there's video of that
which is circulated from I mean, it's a stadium full
of people. It's like, let's say, I don't know, forty
thousand people or something, we're all singing shoot the white people.
(12:30):
And this is from the head of a political party, right,
So you know, if the head of the libertarian party
in this country was I'm just picking a random party,
but you know, if the head of any party in
this country was having rallies where they're saying we're not
calling for the execution of our fellow citizens yet, or
cheering and chanting about it, I think people would have
a problem with that. But you see, Democrats always have
(12:50):
to pretend, they have to pretend to be the heroes
and the civil rights struggles that they had nothing to
do with and so whenever you bring up South Africa,
all they want to talk about is southad Africa from
forty to fifty sixty years ago. Yeah, they don't want
to talk about South Africa today, which is the problem,
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Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. All right, So Buck,
CNN last night, I think you'd mentioned this a little bit.
Scott Jennings got into it with some of the panelists
on the CNN primetime show, The Abby Phillips Show, and
I want you to listen to how crazy The answer
(14:44):
is here from this woman who's debating. We'll figure out
her name in a sec but she says, well, if
they're not happy in South Africa, they should just go
back to the country that they came from hundreds of
years ago. Because I think this gets into a really
interesting question, at what point are you a native of
where you actually live? I would argue it's way less
(15:06):
than hundreds of years ago, but listen to this discussion.
She says, if they're not happy, they should just go
back to Germany or Holland or wherever.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Thirty five thirty plus years ago, they went through the
partheid system ended and they reformed their constitution under the
great leader of Nelson Mandela, and that allowed for a
racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But South Africa did it.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
And they reformed their constitution. And part of that is
that the people who are native to that land deserve
their rightful land back. That is not what the Afrikaaners
actually want to have happened, which are the white Africans
and so who are not originally from Africa who colonize
South Africa also, and so that is what they are
(15:55):
saying is discrimination. Now, if the constitution in South Africa
is discriminator, right, they have their text and balances in
that land just like we do, and that is for
them to So if the Africaners don't actually like the land,
they can leave that country they are to come here.
They can actually even go to where their native land is,
(16:15):
which is probably Germany.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Are you against and coming here Holland from Holland? Are
you against in coming here.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I'm against the hypocrisy of this.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
A minute, I think we can have a big discussion
as it is.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
How I have to be careful that to curse sometimes
and I listen to some of these cliffs go back
to their native land. Like if you say that in
the United States about somebody who's been here like ten years,
you are a crazy racist, right, go back to where
you came from. Yeah, minutes, if you're a friend of
Aragua gangbanger who lies to immigration authority, sneaks into the countries,
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you can beat your wife in human traffic.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
The lives are like.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
He's as American as Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
How wild is this?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
They wanted to go back to Germany and Holland from
where the hundreds of years ago. There's a million ways
to analyze this. Whatever it's anti whiteness was made fashionable
in the Democrat Party. Was mandatory belief in the Democrat
Party that people say, well, what about the white people
vote Democrat? Yeah, they're collaborators with the ideology. They think
(17:18):
that they're above it and better than the other white
people that have to be constantly maligned and undermined. Fair question,
because I do think this is interesting. How long do
you have to live somewhere to be considered a native?
I think if people have been somewhere for I'm trying
to the math them. I had three hundred and fifty
some odd years because the Dutchyst India Company landed in
(17:39):
South Africa. By the way they built the country too,
there was no country. Of course, there were warring African tribes.
The Zulu tribe was a conquering tribe that came one
hundred and fifty years after the Dutch arrived there. But
no one knows history, so you know whatever, it's like, Oh,
why don't we give the give all of our land
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Clay and Buck. We want to take a bunch of
your calls and talkbacks here before we close up shop
in the back half of this hour, So light us
up eight hundred and two A two two eight A
two on those phone lines, and you know what, actually, Clais,
(19:03):
take a couple now, and then we'll dive back into
this discussion because I agree with you the yeah, the
white South African should go back to where they came
from in the sixteen fifties, like what hundreds of years ago.
This is like me or you being like you should
just go back to Ireland or England, like what, I've
been here for hundreds of years.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's it's remarkable.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I mean, just imagine if you applied that to
other people and their races, for example, in this country,
like go back. If you said to anybody, go back
to where you came from in America and they were
non white, it's a it's a.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Huge, huge scannel.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But here we are on TV as CNN commentators like
they could go back to I don't know, I don't
think the South Africans have spent a lot of time
in Germany that she's referring to. But just go back
to Germany. And then somebody else interjects holland you know, like,
oh oh, that makes it easier.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
These people have been in South Africa for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well this is an easy talk about We like this one. AA.
Jerome from Des.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Moines, Clay and Buck, you guys are awesome. Thanks for everything, short.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And sweet man, thank you, you know, just take a
little pick me up there. I appreciate that. Thank you, Jerome.
And we've also got BB Dustin from Phoenix, hit it.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Hey clon Buck Dustin from Arizona.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Man, I think you guys should get Jake Tapper on
there and really hammer him. I want Buck to do
what Clay did to Mike Tens.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
That would be awesome radio.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Thanks guys, keep up to go work Clay.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
If if we have Taper on and if he deserves
the code red, are you gonna call for a code red?
Or you're gonna be like I hear you like the Eagles?
They play football too, you.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Know I am not.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I think Jake Tapper should have to explain to this
audience why he is in any way trustworthy when he
did not cover Biden's dementia when he was on air
daily on CNN, and I think you should have to answer.
I think you should have to answer question. I don't
think he'll come on. I think he will find a
reason not to come on because he has goaded me
that he should be allowed to come on to respond
(21:04):
to us. So okay, okay, you know he's gone right
to me and said, you know, I don't know what
you're saying on your show. I think you do know
what you're saying, because you're like texting me and telling
me you want to come on. So I look the
caller for people who forgot. I do not feel like
typically it is our job to fight with people who
come on the program in general, But when you won't
(21:29):
answer a like for people who don't remember. I got
really fired up at Mike Pence because he wouldn't answer
a question about whether, if he were elected president, he
would pardon Trump in the event that Trump they tried
to put him in prison. I think that is an
integral question that a presidential candidate should have to answer.
And when you are running for president, which is an
(21:49):
entirely hypothetical base decision, right, all you say is if
I am elected, then I will do If A, then
I will do B.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
The entire presidency is an extended hypothetic And when he said, well,
I don't really want to get into hypotheticals, to me,
it was insulting to the audience because his answer was actually, no,
he wouldn't have. And I think Mike Pence's political career
is over. I think he couldn't get elected in the
state of Indiana to any office right now. That's my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong. I certainly know he has no presidential
(22:18):
future in this country. I remember Clay decided to hand
out a spanking on air that day. But when you
disrespect the audience. I'm not saying that I'm going to
agree with every guest, or that you're going to agree
with every guest, and we shouldn't. There should be a
variety of perspectives. But when you lie or when you
are dishonest with this audience, it is an insult to
(22:40):
I think the audience, and that upsets me as I
just hold also because they're not being honest. One thing
that we don't do here is we don't invite people
in or invite people on under the auspices of hey,
you know, you said something really interesting. We'd love to
just have a conversation and then ambush them. They used
to do that to me at CNN all the time.
I would go on at CNN, they would I'm not
(23:01):
making this up at all. I'm not not exaggerating that
I'd be sitting there with my little earpiece and they'd say, hey,
we're actually going to change the topic, and you know,
the anchor wants to pull in this tweet that we
just found that's basically like, hey, why are all Republicans
such evil racist? So like you're gonna respond to that?
I mean, they would do, they would. It was just
ambush stuff all the time. We don't ambush people. If
Tapper and Alex whatever his name is comes on the show,
(23:23):
they know in advance that I think this whole project
is absolute garbage, that this speaking truth to power thing
is preposterous, that they were part of the lie, that
they were cowards when it mattered, and that trying to
tell us now the facts that they should have told
this at least a year if not more ago is
not it's not praiseworthy. It's just an effort in political
(23:48):
cya and trying to cash in on the line. So
they know that we feel that way. So if they
come on, just understand it's not like, hey man heard
you did a great book. You want to come on
and have a conversation because this so just to be clear,
so we'll come right out of the gates. It would
not be a normal interview because I'm gonna say so.
I never so we've played the you know anyway. I
don't want to get ahead of whether whether we have
the guys on or not. We'll see, But I do
(24:10):
think that it's important to keep in mind that when
we invite people on, they know if it's going to
be you know, to invite them on to have a
conversation or if we have a problem with what they're saying,
and this would be in the latter. So there's no
there's no like, there's no surprise here, there's no U. Anyway,
let's get back into this South afric conversation here for
a second, because I thought this was also really interesting.
(24:32):
MSNBC's yamiche Al Sindor, who is very upset this is
twenty two the notion that South Africans, the you know, Africaner,
white South Africans can assimilate well play twenty two.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white
South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as as
much of a security risk.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's really causing a.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Lot of people to be appalled, frankly, and I also
to tell people that there's violence that they're talking about
that are dealing with these Afrikaaners. I've been hearing from
people that say there is violence in South Africa, but
it's affecting everybody of every single race.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I mean, that's a non sequitor at the end. But
let me just throw let me just throw this out there.
Clay our whole immigration system is based on we pick
people for things that we think are worthy to pick
and that will be good. So things like being able
to speak English matters, yes, things like do you have
cultural or familial ties into this country already matters. And
(25:30):
bringing in third worlders who can't speak English, with no
education in any language whatsoever, whose first act on US
soil is illegal and then they immediately want their welfare,
which is what Biden did for four years, and it's
happened a lot before then too. That's actually not what
our immigration system is supposed to be. Assimilation is supposed
to happen. We just had the NBA draft yesterday, and
(25:50):
this is the argument writ large that I would support
on immigration. We should be taking the most skilled practitioners
of all different sorts of disciplines from all over the
world and bringing them here and allowing our setup, our
foundational legal systems to let those people have more success
(26:11):
than they would otherwise be able to have in their
native country. I don't think we should be bringing in
people that are not highly skilled. This is my argument
for legal immigration, and it's the opposite of what was
happening there and what the Trump team, to my Knowledge
has argued is these are highly educated English speaking individuals
(26:31):
who will be immediately able to go to work and
provide tax paying support in the United States. And I
think most of you out there, regardless of where we're
bringing people in. Would I like to bring in more doctors, Yes,
I think we could use more highly skilled, highly trained
doctors from other parts of the country. Would I like engineers,
Would I like incredibly talented software engineers. Would I like
(26:55):
all of the best experts in so many different fields
of medicine and beyond from other parts of the world
to be able to come here and found new companies
and be more successful. Yes, that is the first round
draft pick analogy of the American immigration system, which we
need more of and less focus on unskilled immigrants. I
(27:17):
mean one thing, you know, I in my forthcoming book,
which will be out, it looks like January if next year.
The one of the chapters play I get into is
on the immigration issue. And I just talk about being
at the US Mexico border, specifically in the San Diego sector,
and you sit there and you're looking, and you go on,
(27:37):
there's there's the reality on one side of the border,
the reality the other side of the border and there's
a fence and you can see it in real time,
and you go on one side of this fence is chaos, disorder, crime,
you know, all kinds of problems. On the other side,
it's like a beautiful nation. It's like a beautiful state park,
and you know, ten million dollar homes down the beach.
(27:59):
It's the same beach. The difference is the people there
and the political system.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That they have created.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right, this is we have to get back down to
a very very basic understanding of reality here. And VIP
email from Ron, which I think is actullently. He says,
this woman, meaning a CNN commentator, has no clue what
she's talking about. When the Dutch came to South Africa,
there were no natives. There were no native tribes. The Zulus,
which as I said this, were much further north. The
(28:28):
other tribe in the area where the Bantu, who were
with a wandering people. They were not settled. They did
not have cities, they did not have towns. They were
essentially herdsmen on the move. I added that part, but
that's what he's saying. South Africa was empty. There were
no settlements. The Dutch made South Africa and settled where
there weren't actually people. The Afrikaaners are the original natives
(28:52):
in that sense. Even the Zulus weren't organized as a
power yet. So the land mass of Africa we are
to believe in apparently belongs to people, the entire land
mass of darker skin because and what's fascinating about this
as you say, okay, well, you're gonna have to explain
that to the whole Northern African contingent that are Arab
(29:15):
Muslims that came as part of waves of conquest. By
the way, like we could play this game all day,
how long do you have to be somewhere to be
considered a native is a really difficult question for people
who want to argue against argue colonies and colonizers. Let
me just point this out.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
If you believe human.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we all in
some way are native to Africa. So all these individuals
would be is doing a return to their ancestral homeland
when they came from Holland or wherever in Europe back
to Africa. Let me ask you a fun one. Are
the Palestinians native to Palestine?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
They are not not under these rules. They first of all,
there is no there is no Palestine. But put that aside.
Were they in the region, No, they absolutely were not
in the region. It was Greek settlement and then it
was and Jewish. But I'm just saying, I mean the
Mediterranean basin ancient Greece and Jews and Phoenicians. And guess
(30:16):
what they were Arab invaders who showed up and brought
Islam and decided, Hey, we're going to replace the holiness
in this city with our own stuff. So are they
Are they original? No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Actually, well it's.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Just around since the seventh century. Man, they're late to
the game. But yet it's their land. Well it's just
so arbitrary, right, like when you are going to decide
when is a land claim valid and when is it
not valid?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
And historically everyone is from Africa, right, so all you're
doing when you are coming to South Africa is returning
to your ancestral homeland. Now, look, this is also absurd
because if you say, like you're a native New York,
Everybody's like, okay, yeah, your life you have spent in
New York. I'm a native Tennessee and I've spent most
(31:05):
of my life in Tennessee. Nobody would argue it, but
our lives are relatively short periods. But this is why
you get into how arbitrary this whole thing is. I'd
also just point out that, I mean, you look at
something like the US, the US, you know, expansion into
the West and the birth of Texas, and you know
who is fighting with us against fans of Comanche raiders
(31:28):
for example, other native tribes that they had dispossessed from
their land and in some cases murdered, mutilated, and enslaved.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
They were all fighting each other here, and they built
no cities, and they had no written language, and some
of them were so ticked off at the others that
they joined the white guys to hunt down their hated
enemies because they stole their land. I mean, more research
on the French and Indian War, Like they allied to
French to kill a lot of us, right, I mean,
but historically, yes, your point is there were many different
(31:59):
native tribes that fighting for generations.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
We got here.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
America is thankfully the greatest country that's ever existed in
the history of the world. But it is funny to
me that, oh, you can tell the South African white
people go back to your country on CNN and they've.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Been there hundreds of years.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But this, fundamentally, this is just exposing the anti whiteness
that is a central organizing belief of the American left
and the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
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Speaker 3 (32:35):
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Speaker 1 (32:36):
You were saying you got caught in the subway with
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We were coming home from a play and it was
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, couple
of things. We had Mother's Day on Sunday. I meant
to mention this before. I think it was Friday of
last week. Laura pulled me aside as wives do, and
she said, you and Buck were totally wrong about one
of the conversational topics you were involved in. And I said, Okay,
(34:40):
was not expecting it to be this. She said, you
both completely underrated Henry the Eighth as a British king.
She said downside, yes, he may have headed some some wives.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I said, Laura, you're gonna get me canceled for your
opinion sharing it on television. But she was like, he
was actually a great king. He's one of the greatest
British kings of all time. Now she is obsessed with
the royal family. The other day I walked into the kitchen.
She's listening to like British podcasts on The Harry Charles Relationship.
(35:16):
I admittedly enjoy some of the drama, but I was
not expecting, of all the opinions that we give on
this show for Laura to be like, you guys did
not give Henry the Eighth the credit that he deserves
other than the beheading of the queens.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He was one of the best kings. I swear she.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Said that she was one of the best kings that
England ever had. Yeah, it's chopped off, as I said,
why too. I wish that I would get the lenia
treatment that Henry the Eighth got from my wife's. Like,
you know, he was a really good leader other than
(35:54):
beheading his wives.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm not if I get canceled over my wife's opinion
of Henry the Eighth. This is gonna be unprecedented, but
I will tell you that I did my research and
he was a very successful king other than the beheading
of the wives, one of the three or four best
and when they rank kings.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
That ever ruled England.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So I was not expecting for our takes on Henry
the Eighth to have triggered my wife, but I wanted
to make sure that I that I cleaned that up
a little bit there. He did leave us with the
Church of England, which is a conversation for another time.
But I don't know how you factored that one with
his legacy. I will have to get to more talkbacks
than everything else tomorrow because we are at time for today,
(36:40):
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