June 10, 2025 • 32 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine and Karol discuss the recent protests and riots in Los Angeles, focusing on the media's portrayal of events, the role of law enforcement, and the implications for public safety and political discourse. They reflect on the historical context of protests, the reactions from local and federal authorities, and the challenges of addressing violence while maintaining First Amendment rights. They also delve into the recent fallout between Donald Trump and Elon Musk and discuss the exchange between Simone Biles and Riley Gaines. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey guys, we are back on normally normalistics, but when
the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Mary Cappenham and I'm Carol Marcowitz. Hi Mary Catherine.
How was your very calm and no news weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You know, as always very chill.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, we all have different traditions for how we
kick off writing season, right and.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
What's yours For me?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I just like to kick back and watch X. That's
really my way of honoring that moment. I don't burn anything.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's really your mistake.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't know about your family.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I don't do a lot of civil unrest in general,
but I don't know what you guys are doing to
march this mark this important occasion.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You know, we went to the beach.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We watched it unfold from the Florida shore. So yeah,
that was an exciting few days of la setting itself
on fire again.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
What's funny about.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It is the media taking all of these different approaches
to covering what is going on in la So let's
start this off with what is going on in La.
Ice is deporting people and they are a lot of
the stories that you may hear are actually untrue.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Like right before we went to air.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I heard that the really prevalent story over the weekend
was that ICE had raided a home depot, and that
turns out to be false.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Can I throw some context from law enforcement in here. Yeah,
So when they gather in a large parking lot, huge
numbers of very skilled operatives, those people are not there
to pick up day laborers in a line at home depot. Yeah,
they were going to do that, they wouldn't need all
those assets.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Exact.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Those people are simply staging in a home depot or
a Walmart parking lot. So then they can go out
and serve the semi dangerous warrants that they have been
given to serve.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's how that works.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, because of these arrests and deportations that they are
doing on again criminals, there have been protests that devolved
into riots with Mexican flags and fires and burning the
American flag.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I got to tell you, I am an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I don't understand the perspective of you better let me
stay in this.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Country or I will burn it down. Really don't get that.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I don't get it either.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think and I think, Look, this is a situation
where in the past, pre twenty twenty, I would have
had a lot more leeway for protesters and said, like, Okay,
let's look, the law enforcement presence needs to be like
really on their game and careful and all that stuff,
and all that stuff is true, like I don't want
them overstepping.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I am done right with people burning.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Down American cities, and I think a lot of people
are done like fool me once in twenty twenty, And
I've been watching this since like what was it Seattle
World Trade Organization when we were like in our teens,
And I've been watching this the whole time. They destroy stuff,
They stand in front of cars and then complain that
the cars didn't like leave them alone. You're in a street,
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They ruin businesses, they hurt people, and because it's for
the right reasons, being the left reasons, we all have
to just be like it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They mean well, but they don't mean well.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They don't mean well, And in fact, their cause in
this case is stopping the federal government from federal warrants
on people who largely have already been convicted of a
violent crimes. So they're in the country illegally, they have
warrants out for them. From the federal government, which a
sanctuary city cannot block. The federal government comes in to
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do so, and people line the streets to attack them
physic when they come to serve the warrants. And by
the way, the warrants I looked up some of them.
Bill Malujin has been reporting on this. The warrants are
for people who again have convictions. There was I looked
at a brief list a three Mexican nationals and one
Filipino national who had each a.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Sexual assault or a deadly assault with the deadly weapon charge.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I want to keep them in the country for sure,
not charged.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Conviction, right, and we're just gonna be like, sure, stay Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So the big controversy of force is that Donald Trump
sent in the National Guard, and this apparently is a
very terrible thing to do in the middle of a riot,
and Governor Gavin Newsom of California really didn't want him
to and is now blaming the presence of that National
Guard on the riots escalating, which is absurd. And there's
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a lot of evidence that the National Guard actually only
protected federal buildings.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
They did not do very much at all.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And as we go to air the New York Times
is reporting that Newsom says California will sue Trump over
National Guard deployment, which is a great use of California's resources.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, and to this point, when the federal officers come
to serve the warrants that it is their duty to serve,
they clearly need protection of those folks who are unable
to do their job because of this, these crimes being
committed upon them. In the city of La LAPD or
California Highway Patrol or one of these law enforcement organizations
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would be the people to do that, but they say
that it took two hours for them to respond. Newsom
and Bass, the governor and mayor, are like, we're doing
everything we can, right, Well, we've.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Seen everything y'all can do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
For since it's not going to cut it to the
point about whether the National Guard is the issue and
has escalated the riots, Let's go to the LAPD chief
who will tell us whether this is going on. Because
a reporter, of course asked him, this is Trump's fault, right, curious?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do you think that the presidence of National Guard increased
the level to this kind of situation?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, you said that it's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Do you think that if you control it with them, without.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Them, it's could be a different.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Situation, you know, I don't know. That's a very interesting question.
What was the catalyst for us seeing the second and
third day of this becoming increasingly more violent. To be
able to say it's because of the National Guard, I
can't because they're aren't enough on the ground at this
point to make a difference. I've seen civil unrest a
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number of times before, and generally the second and third
days are more violent than the initial phase, and so
this is not much different from that pattern. But certainly
I think there's a number of things that cause people
to come out. Much of it is they watch this
and see it on TV, social media, whatever social media
outlets they follow, are asking them or telling them to
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come down and be part of this, and they do
that and they come out here. And many come out
and just want to see what's going on. They're out
there with their cameras, but they're putting themselves in harm's
way and potentially setting themselves up for a criminal future.
When you look at some of the things that are
happening here, somebody could easily be killed, and if you're
a part of that, then you're going to be facing
those charges as well. Talk to the DA just a
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couple of minutes ago, and the DA will file felony
charges on individuals where it's appropriate, but won't be shy
about doing that where it is appropriate. And also the
potential for federal charges given the type of environment we're
in and the federal authorities don't play.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
All authorities don't play well.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And I hope there are felony charges at home too.
The thing is we can't count on that because we
haven't been able to count on that for the last
five years. Meanwhile, the LAPD the day before or this
had been upgraded to unrest by the head. They released
this news release and said today demonstrations across the city
of Los Angeles remained peaceful, and we commend all those
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who exercised their First Amendment rights responsibly. The Los Angeles
Police Department appreciates the cooperation of organizers, participants, and community
partners who helped ensure public safety throughout the day, saying nonetheless,
they remain ready to respond should.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Things go badly. I don't know what the disconnect is between.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The police sheet and the Public Affairs Office, but it
wasn't peaceful the first time, And protesters are not protesters
once they're setting things on fire, they are not protesting.
See Paul, it's not First Amendment rights to throw rocks
off of overpasses onto police vehicles.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That's not your First Amendment pleasure. There.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So the three lines of kind of defense about this
from the left is it's not violent. If it is violent,
that's bad optics for us, So stop being violent. Or
the violence is very contained. And so each of those
is getting its own hearing obviously.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
That you know, the no violence is taking place. You
just talked about that.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Adam Shift tweeted, violence is never the answer. Assaulting law
enforcement is never okay. Indeed, doing so plays directly into
the hands of those who seek to antagonize and weaponize
the situation for their own gain.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Don't let them succeed.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, maybe the optics aren't really what the problem is here.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Maybe it's actually the violence that's the issue.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, it's a problem in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And by the way, somebody did some digging and found
that some of these groups that organized these protests that
became riots were actually funded by the California state government government.
And because they have so much money to spare, and
Karen Bass and Newsom are like releasing press releases at
the time about all the money they got partly from
the federal government as well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right, that makes it.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Worse because I think you can call up your bud
over at the the agitators group and say, hey, we
actually really need you guys to not be violent, like
they're your buddies. You gave them many millions of dollars,
and they're not doing that because in fact, they prioritize
law breakers and illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants who have
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committed criminals crimes above that over their own citizens.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well, the media is helping them with that narrative
of you know those three things. Again, if the violence
is happening, it's just bad optics.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Or it's contained. Here's we're going to roll a clip
from ABC News.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if
you move law enforcement in there and the wrong way
and turn what is just a bunch of people having
fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation
between officers and demonstrators.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So I can't believe that's real.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
That's the local ABC.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And by the way, you should be able to count
on local news to least understand that this is a
problem for local people. I love the idea that applying
law enforcement to the law breakers is where things go awrid.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's going to be warm in there a good time,
Mary Catherine, you.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Are videotaping people setting fire to Waymo vehicles, which are
self driving vehicles, someone's property, someone's asset, and they're just
having a good old time doing that, And if the
police come and break that up, that would be the.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Problem is over.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, you don't want that.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Who normal thinks this way?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
No one.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Who is the constituency for this, Well.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And also Brian Stelter at CNN, he thinks that we
don't understand that only a small part of LA is
on fire, not the whole thing. You got to say
that it's only a small small part of Los Angeles
that is feeling these riots.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Let's roll that clips.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
On one level. Protests are always about images, about spectacle.
You might even say it's about theater, and we are
seeing that play out in LA. And I think it's
valuable to have that perspective as we see some of
these pictures, especially as we zoom out and we recognize
that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking. The entire
city of La La is home.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
To millions of people.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Most of them are having a normal day here on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Cool, Yeah, most people are having a normal day. So
was I in Florida? It didn't affect me over here.
The chiron on that clip was as La.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I believe it was as Elie riot spread. So do misinformation?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Misinformation?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
The misinformation is really what we're all worried about here.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Because La is large and someone in a much richer
part of town is insulated from this, does that make
throwing rocks off of overpasses onto policemen?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Okay, yes, I don't think that was the take on
January sixth.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I think the take was attacking law enforcement is bad
from Stelter, and that it didn't matter that other parts
of the capital or other parts of Washington were undisturbed
by this particular conflagration.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
At the Capitol. Was that, sure, do they apply the
same standard here? They do not.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So when the La Police chief, as you mentioned, said
yesterday they're shooting commercial grade fireworks at us, we are overwhelmed.
I think what he should have said was, But think
of all the people in LA who are not had
their commercial grade fireworks shot at them, So everything is
okay over here.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't live in DC proper for this reason. I've
watched cities do this for many years, and they don't
seem to care about the people who live in their
cities unless they're those people who love to do this
part of.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
The city experience.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But it's just so incredibly damaging to normal law abiding people,
and they enforce the laws to the nth degree on
those who are willing to obey the laws.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So they give out a ticket once every seven seconds
for parking ille in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But something like this, it's fine, We're gonna give it
a pass for a while, right, gott to buy off
some steam in the summer, you know it is.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Our friend John Echtel, who we love even though he
makes fun of us for being women. He retweeted the
Brian Stelter clip and said, imagine covering a tornado in
this manner. They are nearly quote, there are nearly five
hundred thousand free standing domiciles in the city, so destruction
was relatively minor. End quote, and then he said that
(14:36):
Guy Benson refers to this as anti journalism. Its purpose
is to leave the audience intentionally uninformed, and that's exactly
what this is.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I guess the analogy also would be all LA matters. Right,
Let's just pull out for the big picture.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
If you do zoom out from LA, you will see
that largely LA is without riots. And then if you
zoom out further, you'll see that the only riots all
summer long will be in blue cities. You'll see the
whole country without riots, Chicago and.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
New York and LA. Yeah, why do we attribute this? Brian? Right?
What could it be? What could it be?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
A lot of people tried the same kind of arguments
In twenty twenty, I pulled up a column that I
wrote in The New York Post at the time. But
you know, CNN's correspondent Josh Campbell was tweeting about Portland
while Portland was partially on fire, saying that he was
enjoying a burrito in a park and everything was fine.
Paul Krugman tweeted something similar about New York when there
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were riots and broken windows and fires set in d C.
Washington Post journalist Dan Zach at the time wrote, you know,
he posted an idyllic scene in a park and said,
Washington d C is simply out of control.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's like, real people are going to be.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Hurt by stuff like this and minimizing it does not
help them. So here we are twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
They're trying it again. I don't think they're going to
succeed as well.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And it's worth.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Noting It's worth noting that the federalizing of the National
Guard and sending it into a city is the subject
of the notorious Tom Cotton op ed the New York Times,
which got our buddy out of Rubinstein in trouble accepting
this Senator's.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Op ed with everybody agrees with now. I mean, you know,
they probably probably agree to it then too, but everybody
agrees with now.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
There has been this shift where like people are going
to put up with less of this, and I think
the Trump administration some people are saying, oh, they want
us to riot, and they say, okay, well, first so
you could just not yeah, you could not riot. Second
of all, if he wants a do over of twenty
twenty and would like to approach that differently, and you
oblige him by doing this, and you give him visuals, yes,
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optics of a guy on a motorbike around burning police
cars waving a Mexican flag as your symbol.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't think that's gonna go well for your party.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, So, speaking of losers, how are the Democrats doing?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But can I make one last point about safety? As
your daughter pointed out, who's a teenager, she's just didn't
we just learn that that they're not that great with
fire in La, so like maybe we shouldn't be extracurricularly
setting things on fire.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
She's just very down to earth.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
She's not super into politics, but she sees the whole picture.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
You know. She zoomed out.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
As you mentioned, the party mechanics are going great for
the Gems, right.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
They have a leader at the d n C.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Ken Martin, who's just kind of like the sort of
guy you want at the DNC, who's like a sort of.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Anonymous, a little worrying.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
His job is to just run elections the best he
can allocate resources, which is as boring as.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
It sounds, and get people elected. That's his job. And
then his deputy became David.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hawg Oof, who has been making a bunch of trouble
for him as this wonder Ken twenty five year old
doesn't know all that much about winning elections, but knows
a lot about being famous on Instagram and ex right,
and is basically saying I want to primary everybody and
then saying things that the left disapproves of on mar
like dudes like to have fun.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, something like that was right, It's like it was
something like that.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It was very obvious.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But I just I don't even want to give him
credit because yeah, he's not totally insane, but he is
totally insane in a lot of other ways.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well yeah, I mean he's trying to walk back his
insanity of yours past, but in service of primarying a
bunch of people who would otherwise be slightly more normal on.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
The Democratic right side.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right, So Ken Martin is like the normy in this
if we can one enormy And what's his new take
on running the Democratic Party with David Hogg as his
second in command?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So a video surface of a phone call that they had,
and Ken Martin told party leaders that he's unsure about
his ability to lead the party because of.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Infighting created by David Hogg. I'll be very honest with you.
For the first time in my one hundred days on
this job.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
The other night, I said to myself for the first time,
I don't know if I want to do this anymore.
This was a May seventeenth zoom meeting of DNC officers.
In a recording obtained by Politico, Martin tears up a
few times during the call. Yeah, he chokes up, and
he's clearly very upset about his inability to do this.
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David Hogg wants these primaries to happen for people who
are not super into politics or listening to the show,
because you are normies and we love the normies. The
political party don't get involved in primaries. In fact, if
they do get involved at all, it'll be on the
side of the incumbent to keep the seat and to
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make I have as many people on their team win
as possible. It's not about ideology to the party. It's
about party membership. So this idea that David hobg wants
to primary all these people, it's clearly upsetting Ken Martin
because he knows they're going to lose these seats and
that is quite a big deal to him.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, there's a universe of about eighteen House seats that
are up for grabs.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Basically it could be flipped. And the problem is when
you start primarying.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
People, you add numbers to that eighteen or so, which
means you add the money that you have to do
to play in all of those And Ken Martin's looking
at his numbers and going, oh my gosh, what's going
to happen here? By the way, can I just say
the tearing up is sad and I'm not picking on
him at all. The Left is relentless. Its ability to
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exact pain on its own members or on the opposition. Yeah,
is really something.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Own members even more than the opposition, I would say.
And you know, the circular fire squad, as I like
to say, and I've said for many years, never misses.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
So that's why they do it.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, So, but David Hogg is twenty five, and I
think people need to understand that he has zero political
experience and they made him vice chair. They gave this
kind of power to as twenty five year old, because again,
like you said, he's.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Famous on the internets.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
He's done almost nothing in his life except fail at
starting a pillow company because he felt.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It would be really important to compete with my pillow
for some reason. Sure, and he failed at that.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So the fact that he's in this leadership role is insane.
Even if he does occasionally say things that are not
totally bad shit.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, and he's making it impossible for the normy to
do normy things, which is what the Democratic Party needs.
By the way, can I say that both the riot
story and this story broke at the end of the
week where we had the most Jerry Springer esque break up.
Oh gosh, Trump and Elon Musk, Like, the right is
just like falling flat on its face and like very
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comically having this blow up, and the left is like,
but we can out do that.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think we can out do it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They're like, watch this, it's funny because we recorded our episode,
so we recorded on Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
This all hit on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
After our episode aired, the Elon and Trump fiasco, And
I have to say, our number one fan, my husband,
said that we should have done a special episode to
address it. Maybe we'll consider stuff like that in the future,
but we didn't in this case.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So now it's been a few days and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Elon is like tweeting through it. Yesterday he retweeted jd
Vance praising Donald Trump with a little American flag. It
felt very reminiscent of the show Seinfeld when George quits
his job in a huff and then regrets it and
just shows up on Monday hoping that everybody forgot it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, because this is like three days after he retweeted
the idea approvingly that we should impeach Donald Trump, fans
should become president, and he's like, oh. He also threatened
at one point to decommission some of his rocket technology.
I do think there are risks for everybody here for
the GOP in the future, for he has promised to
spend a bunch of money for Elon himself, who has
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these businesses that are entangled with the government, as all
businesses are at this point, where particularly space travel businesses
to the American people who might lose out on the
actually really good stuff he does.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And actually some like tiny account tweeted at him and
said like, please don't decommission this rocket, like we need you.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We kind of all need to be together, and he's like, okay, fine.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I won't.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, he's very reachable.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He is and like, look, both of these men are
somewhat volatile. The funny thing about this blow up is
that Trump, even though Trump at one point at the
high Road, you know, Trump at one was like, maybe
we'll cancel all his contracts, But largely he looked like
the calmer of the two. And I do think accusing
Trump of being on Epstein's list, which is without evidence, absolutely,
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and if Democrats had that information inside the federal government
at any point, we would have known about it by now. Like,
coming back from this is going to be tough, but
there's always the chance with these guys that like half
of it is pro wrestling fighting.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
All of my friends who are very committed MAGA people
were extremely upset about it, Like, are the people who
are having a good time and we're enjoying it. Are
the people who don't like Trump or don't like Musk
or don't like both of them?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And they were like, this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But the people who really like Trump did not like
him falling out with Elon. It was uh, you know,
I heard from friends that were like, please tell me
this is fake, Please tell me this is just trolling.
I couldn't tell them that because I didn't think it
was again accusing somebody of being a child molester. Accusing
the President of the United States being child molester is
(25:14):
sort of it's across the line.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I would say, yeah, yeah, that's a pretty clear line.
And they had been so I think, look, Trump has
always seemed quite affectionate toward Elus, right, yeah, including in
the meeting that they had in the Oval Office last
week where he's handing him the key to the White House,
and like, look, I wish that doge had been done
less mercurially and more professionally, and that you could like
(25:39):
I had higher hopes for that than were realized. But
I always have higher hopes than are realized because it's
the federal government. But so like part of it is
just like move along, go back to the things that
you're good at.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But they were on such good terms and then all
of a sudden it was like, right, like sad out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But maybe they're finding a way back, as Elon kind
of lovingly retweets him, which is really all Trump wants
is admiration and retweets.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And he's still the world's richest man, which means he's
got cachet in a little power. I will note I
saw somebody tweet I should really verify this first. What
the hell I saw somebody tweet that Bill Gates made
a visit to the White House while this dust up is.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Happening, So like tech bro exactly, He's like, I'm rich.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Dude, We're going to take a short break and come
right back with normally the other dust up this weekend.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Just can you guys not do it on weekends.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Like every weekend?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Take some weekends off.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
So out of nowhere, Seemingly, Simon Biles tweets bully someone
your own size, which would ironically.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Be a male Riley Gaines.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Making fun of Riley Gaines's buff amazing body is kind
of just a really low blow and confusing because some
Biles has a pretty buff body.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So it's crazy to me that in this discussion, which
to my knowledge she's never been in before, she decided
on a Saturday night to jump in with body shaming
a female athlete. We're having lots of muscles, Like, my friend,
you have so many muscles. I am in support of
both of you having all those muscles. I don't know
(27:24):
why you started out by saying like, oh, let's conform
to traditional feminine beauty standards and not be strong, was
her first outing bizarre on this she went she went
harder by saying, at Riley Gains, you're truly sick all
of this campaigning because you lost.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
A race, straight up sore loser.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding
a way to make sports inclusive or creating a new
avenue where trans feel safe in sports. Maybe a transgender
category in all sports? Okay, can I just say.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, you know, go ahead, I was going to say this.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know who had been be an interesting and powerful
leader to do that. Yeah, so Mbiles right, if she
wants a third category, it also acknowledges, yeah, that they're
not the same as women.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But I also want to say that, until five minutes ago,
saying that we should have a separate transgender category was
anti trans Literally, if you look up conversations from a
year ago, you'll find that conservatives were saying we should
have a separate category. Obviously, kids who identify as something
else should be able to play in sports anyway, but
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they clearly can't compete. Boys cannot be in girls' sports,
So that transgender category is only now okay to say,
and only because people like Riley Gaines made this conversation
a national topic.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yes, and by the way, the bullying to which she
refers is simply pointing out that boys are competing with girls.
There is a Minnesota softball team that won its state
championship because there's a guy throwing heater from the mound
underhanded to young women, and so that that pitcher pitched
(29:06):
a bunch of shutouts and they won the state championship.
Riley points this out, and this is considered bullying ridiculously.
It's bullying from everyone involved to let this person steal
prestige from women who have worked really hard to get
to the state championship. And by the way, one thing
that annoys me about these one percent or female athletes
(29:27):
as a mediocre female athlete myself, once you have reached
the heights of a Simone Biles or a Megan Rappino, right,
first of all, you didn't have to come up through
a system in which there was a threat of men
repeating against you at any point. You got to the
absolute pinnacle. And like Simone Biles may never be surpassed.
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You get to the absolute pinnacle and then you're like, oh,
but these guys like they're not important, like their dream
isn't as important as what mine was. I'm totally insulated
from this. Have accomplished everything I want to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Before it held that ladder up.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, and now I'm just gonna pull latter up. And
by the way, elite gymnasts in particular are insulated from
this in a way that more amateur or like lower
level gymnasts are not so USA Gymnastics I read from
Jennifer Say, who's an expert in this allows transjitter athletes
up until you get to like the varying lead levels,
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because they know that that's not fair right lower down
and you're trying to make your dream happen.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Who might run up against a Marissa.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Those girls should should have to compete against the boys.
But once you reach elite levels, like you know, Simone Biles,
obviously all bets are off.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's disappointing. I'm it makes me sad.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It's unfortunate. And there was a big tennis match. I
don't I don't follow tennis. I gotta tell you it
was one of those things. But Coco Goff is from
South Florida, and the people of South Florida were losing
their minds when she so I do know a little
bit about that.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But she is the cutest.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
She won the French Open at I believe she's twenty
one years old. I believe she's following a similar track
to Serena Williams when it comes to accomplishing these amazing
things that I'm at stunning ages. And she just seems
like the most positive, positive, kindest, sweetest athlete. Yeah, And
I've admired her every time I've seen her win something
(31:25):
thus far because she always just seems cool. And she
was showing on TikTok today her little apparently you don't
get to take the trophy trophy, you get a minier
true trophy, and she's like, it's like carry on size.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
And she's disapplaining. It's everyone adorable. She's get fresh air.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I hope it stays that way.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And maybe and she won't have to compete against dudes,
say high school tennis, who has to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Mary Cappenham and I'm Carol Marcowitz. Hi Mary Catherine.
How was your very calm and no news weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You know, as always very chill.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, we all have different traditions for how we
kick off writing season, right and.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
What's yours For me?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I just like to kick back and watch X. That's
really my way of honoring that moment. I don't burn anything.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's really your mistake.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't know about your family.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I don't do a lot of civil unrest in general,
but I don't know what you guys are doing to
march this mark this important occasion.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You know, we went to the beach.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We watched it unfold from the Florida shore. So yeah,
that was an exciting few days of la setting itself
on fire again.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
What's funny about.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It is the media taking all of these different approaches
to covering what is going on in la So let's
start this off with what is going on in La.
Ice is deporting people and they are a lot of
the stories that you may hear are actually untrue.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Like right before we went to air.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I heard that the really prevalent story over the weekend
was that ICE had raided a home depot, and that
turns out to be false.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Can I throw some context from law enforcement in here. Yeah,
So when they gather in a large parking lot, huge
numbers of very skilled operatives, those people are not there
to pick up day laborers in a line at home depot. Yeah,
they were going to do that, they wouldn't need all
those assets.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Exact.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Those people are simply staging in a home depot or
a Walmart parking lot. So then they can go out
and serve the semi dangerous warrants that they have been
given to serve.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's how that works.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, because of these arrests and deportations that they are
doing on again criminals, there have been protests that devolved
into riots with Mexican flags and fires and burning the
American flag.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I got to tell you, I am an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I don't understand the perspective of you better let me
stay in this.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Country or I will burn it down. Really don't get that.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I don't get it either.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think and I think, Look, this is a situation
where in the past, pre twenty twenty, I would have
had a lot more leeway for protesters and said, like, Okay,
let's look, the law enforcement presence needs to be like
really on their game and careful and all that stuff,
and all that stuff is true, like I don't want
them overstepping.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I am done right with people burning.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Down American cities, and I think a lot of people
are done like fool me once in twenty twenty, And
I've been watching this since like what was it Seattle
World Trade Organization when we were like in our teens,
And I've been watching this the whole time. They destroy stuff,
They stand in front of cars and then complain that
the cars didn't like leave them alone. You're in a street,
(03:19):
They ruin businesses, they hurt people, and because it's for
the right reasons, being the left reasons, we all have
to just be like it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They mean well, but they don't mean well.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They don't mean well, And in fact, their cause in
this case is stopping the federal government from federal warrants
on people who largely have already been convicted of a
violent crimes. So they're in the country illegally, they have
warrants out for them. From the federal government, which a
sanctuary city cannot block. The federal government comes in to
(03:56):
do so, and people line the streets to attack them
physic when they come to serve the warrants. And by
the way, the warrants I looked up some of them.
Bill Malujin has been reporting on this. The warrants are
for people who again have convictions. There was I looked
at a brief list a three Mexican nationals and one
Filipino national who had each a.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Sexual assault or a deadly assault with the deadly weapon charge.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I want to keep them in the country for sure,
not charged.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Conviction, right, and we're just gonna be like, sure, stay Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So the big controversy of force is that Donald Trump
sent in the National Guard, and this apparently is a
very terrible thing to do in the middle of a riot,
and Governor Gavin Newsom of California really didn't want him
to and is now blaming the presence of that National
Guard on the riots escalating, which is absurd. And there's
(04:51):
a lot of evidence that the National Guard actually only
protected federal buildings.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
They did not do very much at all.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And as we go to air the New York Times
is reporting that Newsom says California will sue Trump over
National Guard deployment, which is a great use of California's resources.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, and to this point, when the federal officers come
to serve the warrants that it is their duty to serve,
they clearly need protection of those folks who are unable
to do their job because of this, these crimes being
committed upon them. In the city of La LAPD or
California Highway Patrol or one of these law enforcement organizations
(05:31):
would be the people to do that, but they say
that it took two hours for them to respond. Newsom
and Bass, the governor and mayor, are like, we're doing
everything we can, right, Well, we've.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Seen everything y'all can do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
For since it's not going to cut it to the
point about whether the National Guard is the issue and
has escalated the riots, Let's go to the LAPD chief
who will tell us whether this is going on. Because
a reporter, of course asked him, this is Trump's fault, right, curious?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do you think that the presidence of National Guard increased
the level to this kind of situation?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, you said that it's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Do you think that if you control it with them, without.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Them, it's could be a different.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Situation, you know, I don't know. That's a very interesting question.
What was the catalyst for us seeing the second and
third day of this becoming increasingly more violent. To be
able to say it's because of the National Guard, I
can't because they're aren't enough on the ground at this
point to make a difference. I've seen civil unrest a
(06:45):
number of times before, and generally the second and third
days are more violent than the initial phase, and so
this is not much different from that pattern. But certainly
I think there's a number of things that cause people
to come out. Much of it is they watch this
and see it on TV, social media, whatever social media
outlets they follow, are asking them or telling them to
(07:07):
come down and be part of this, and they do
that and they come out here. And many come out
and just want to see what's going on. They're out
there with their cameras, but they're putting themselves in harm's
way and potentially setting themselves up for a criminal future.
When you look at some of the things that are
happening here, somebody could easily be killed, and if you're
a part of that, then you're going to be facing
those charges as well. Talk to the DA just a
(07:30):
couple of minutes ago, and the DA will file felony
charges on individuals where it's appropriate, but won't be shy
about doing that where it is appropriate. And also the
potential for federal charges given the type of environment we're
in and the federal authorities don't play.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
All authorities don't play well.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And I hope there are felony charges at home too.
The thing is we can't count on that because we
haven't been able to count on that for the last
five years. Meanwhile, the LAPD the day before or this
had been upgraded to unrest by the head. They released
this news release and said today demonstrations across the city
of Los Angeles remained peaceful, and we commend all those
(08:10):
who exercised their First Amendment rights responsibly. The Los Angeles
Police Department appreciates the cooperation of organizers, participants, and community
partners who helped ensure public safety throughout the day, saying nonetheless,
they remain ready to respond should.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Things go badly. I don't know what the disconnect is between.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The police sheet and the Public Affairs Office, but it
wasn't peaceful the first time, And protesters are not protesters
once they're setting things on fire, they are not protesting.
See Paul, it's not First Amendment rights to throw rocks
off of overpasses onto police vehicles.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That's not your First Amendment pleasure. There.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So the three lines of kind of defense about this
from the left is it's not violent. If it is violent,
that's bad optics for us, So stop being violent. Or
the violence is very contained. And so each of those
is getting its own hearing obviously.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
That you know, the no violence is taking place. You
just talked about that.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Adam Shift tweeted, violence is never the answer. Assaulting law
enforcement is never okay. Indeed, doing so plays directly into
the hands of those who seek to antagonize and weaponize
the situation for their own gain.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Don't let them succeed.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, maybe the optics aren't really what the problem is here.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Maybe it's actually the violence that's the issue.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, it's a problem in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And by the way, somebody did some digging and found
that some of these groups that organized these protests that
became riots were actually funded by the California state government government.
And because they have so much money to spare, and
Karen Bass and Newsom are like releasing press releases at
the time about all the money they got partly from
the federal government as well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right, that makes it.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Worse because I think you can call up your bud
over at the the agitators group and say, hey, we
actually really need you guys to not be violent, like
they're your buddies. You gave them many millions of dollars,
and they're not doing that because in fact, they prioritize
law breakers and illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants who have
(10:16):
committed criminals crimes above that over their own citizens.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well, the media is helping them with that narrative
of you know those three things. Again, if the violence
is happening, it's just bad optics.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Or it's contained. Here's we're going to roll a clip
from ABC News.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if
you move law enforcement in there and the wrong way
and turn what is just a bunch of people having
fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation
between officers and demonstrators.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So I can't believe that's real.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
That's the local ABC.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And by the way, you should be able to count
on local news to least understand that this is a
problem for local people. I love the idea that applying
law enforcement to the law breakers is where things go awrid.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's going to be warm in there a good time,
Mary Catherine, you.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Are videotaping people setting fire to Waymo vehicles, which are
self driving vehicles, someone's property, someone's asset, and they're just
having a good old time doing that, And if the
police come and break that up, that would be the.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Problem is over.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, you don't want that.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Who normal thinks this way?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
No one.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Who is the constituency for this, Well.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And also Brian Stelter at CNN, he thinks that we
don't understand that only a small part of LA is
on fire, not the whole thing. You got to say
that it's only a small small part of Los Angeles
that is feeling these riots.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Let's roll that clips.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
On one level. Protests are always about images, about spectacle.
You might even say it's about theater, and we are
seeing that play out in LA. And I think it's
valuable to have that perspective as we see some of
these pictures, especially as we zoom out and we recognize
that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking. The entire
city of La La is home.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
To millions of people.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Most of them are having a normal day here on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Cool, Yeah, most people are having a normal day. So
was I in Florida? It didn't affect me over here.
The chiron on that clip was as La.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I believe it was as Elie riot spread. So do misinformation?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Misinformation?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
The misinformation is really what we're all worried about here.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Because La is large and someone in a much richer
part of town is insulated from this, does that make
throwing rocks off of overpasses onto policemen?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Okay, yes, I don't think that was the take on
January sixth.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I think the take was attacking law enforcement is bad
from Stelter, and that it didn't matter that other parts
of the capital or other parts of Washington were undisturbed
by this particular conflagration.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
At the Capitol. Was that, sure, do they apply the
same standard here? They do not.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So when the La Police chief, as you mentioned, said
yesterday they're shooting commercial grade fireworks at us, we are overwhelmed.
I think what he should have said was, But think
of all the people in LA who are not had
their commercial grade fireworks shot at them, So everything is
okay over here.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't live in DC proper for this reason. I've
watched cities do this for many years, and they don't
seem to care about the people who live in their
cities unless they're those people who love to do this
part of.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
The city experience.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But it's just so incredibly damaging to normal law abiding people,
and they enforce the laws to the nth degree on
those who are willing to obey the laws.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So they give out a ticket once every seven seconds
for parking ille in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But something like this, it's fine, We're gonna give it
a pass for a while, right, gott to buy off
some steam in the summer, you know it is.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Our friend John Echtel, who we love even though he
makes fun of us for being women. He retweeted the
Brian Stelter clip and said, imagine covering a tornado in
this manner. They are nearly quote, there are nearly five
hundred thousand free standing domiciles in the city, so destruction
was relatively minor. End quote, and then he said that
(14:36):
Guy Benson refers to this as anti journalism. Its purpose
is to leave the audience intentionally uninformed, and that's exactly
what this is.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I guess the analogy also would be all LA matters. Right,
Let's just pull out for the big picture.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
If you do zoom out from LA, you will see
that largely LA is without riots. And then if you
zoom out further, you'll see that the only riots all
summer long will be in blue cities. You'll see the
whole country without riots, Chicago and.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
New York and LA. Yeah, why do we attribute this? Brian? Right?
What could it be? What could it be?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
A lot of people tried the same kind of arguments
In twenty twenty, I pulled up a column that I
wrote in The New York Post at the time. But
you know, CNN's correspondent Josh Campbell was tweeting about Portland
while Portland was partially on fire, saying that he was
enjoying a burrito in a park and everything was fine.
Paul Krugman tweeted something similar about New York when there
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were riots and broken windows and fires set in d C.
Washington Post journalist Dan Zach at the time wrote, you know,
he posted an idyllic scene in a park and said,
Washington d C is simply out of control.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's like, real people are going to be.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Hurt by stuff like this and minimizing it does not
help them. So here we are twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
They're trying it again. I don't think they're going to
succeed as well.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And it's worth.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Noting It's worth noting that the federalizing of the National
Guard and sending it into a city is the subject
of the notorious Tom Cotton op ed the New York Times,
which got our buddy out of Rubinstein in trouble accepting
this Senator's.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Op ed with everybody agrees with now. I mean, you know,
they probably probably agree to it then too, but everybody
agrees with now.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
There has been this shift where like people are going
to put up with less of this, and I think
the Trump administration some people are saying, oh, they want
us to riot, and they say, okay, well, first so
you could just not yeah, you could not riot. Second
of all, if he wants a do over of twenty
twenty and would like to approach that differently, and you
oblige him by doing this, and you give him visuals, yes,
(16:56):
optics of a guy on a motorbike around burning police
cars waving a Mexican flag as your symbol.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't think that's gonna go well for your party.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, So, speaking of losers, how are the Democrats doing?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But can I make one last point about safety? As
your daughter pointed out, who's a teenager, she's just didn't
we just learn that that they're not that great with
fire in La, so like maybe we shouldn't be extracurricularly
setting things on fire.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
She's just very down to earth.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
She's not super into politics, but she sees the whole picture.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
You know. She zoomed out.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
As you mentioned, the party mechanics are going great for
the Gems, right.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
They have a leader at the d n C.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Ken Martin, who's just kind of like the sort of
guy you want at the DNC, who's like a sort of.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Anonymous, a little worrying.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
His job is to just run elections the best he
can allocate resources, which is as boring as.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
It sounds, and get people elected. That's his job. And
then his deputy became David.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hawg Oof, who has been making a bunch of trouble
for him as this wonder Ken twenty five year old
doesn't know all that much about winning elections, but knows
a lot about being famous on Instagram and ex right,
and is basically saying I want to primary everybody and
then saying things that the left disapproves of on mar
like dudes like to have fun.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, something like that was right, It's like it was
something like that.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It was very obvious.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But I just I don't even want to give him
credit because yeah, he's not totally insane, but he is
totally insane in a lot of other ways.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well yeah, I mean he's trying to walk back his
insanity of yours past, but in service of primarying a
bunch of people who would otherwise be slightly more normal on.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
The Democratic right side.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right, So Ken Martin is like the normy in this
if we can one enormy And what's his new take
on running the Democratic Party with David Hogg as his
second in command?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So a video surface of a phone call that they had,
and Ken Martin told party leaders that he's unsure about
his ability to lead the party because of.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Infighting created by David Hogg. I'll be very honest with you.
For the first time in my one hundred days on
this job.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
The other night, I said to myself for the first time,
I don't know if I want to do this anymore.
This was a May seventeenth zoom meeting of DNC officers.
In a recording obtained by Politico, Martin tears up a
few times during the call. Yeah, he chokes up, and
he's clearly very upset about his inability to do this.
(19:46):
David Hogg wants these primaries to happen for people who
are not super into politics or listening to the show,
because you are normies and we love the normies. The
political party don't get involved in primaries. In fact, if
they do get involved at all, it'll be on the
side of the incumbent to keep the seat and to
(20:07):
make I have as many people on their team win
as possible. It's not about ideology to the party. It's
about party membership. So this idea that David hobg wants
to primary all these people, it's clearly upsetting Ken Martin
because he knows they're going to lose these seats and
that is quite a big deal to him.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, there's a universe of about eighteen House seats that
are up for grabs.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Basically it could be flipped. And the problem is when
you start primarying.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
People, you add numbers to that eighteen or so, which
means you add the money that you have to do
to play in all of those And Ken Martin's looking
at his numbers and going, oh my gosh, what's going
to happen here? By the way, can I just say
the tearing up is sad and I'm not picking on
him at all. The Left is relentless. Its ability to
(21:00):
exact pain on its own members or on the opposition. Yeah,
is really something.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Own members even more than the opposition, I would say.
And you know, the circular fire squad, as I like
to say, and I've said for many years, never misses.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
So that's why they do it.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, So, but David Hogg is twenty five, and I
think people need to understand that he has zero political
experience and they made him vice chair. They gave this
kind of power to as twenty five year old, because again,
like you said, he's.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Famous on the internets.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
He's done almost nothing in his life except fail at
starting a pillow company because he felt.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It would be really important to compete with my pillow
for some reason. Sure, and he failed at that.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So the fact that he's in this leadership role is insane.
Even if he does occasionally say things that are not
totally bad shit.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, and he's making it impossible for the normy to
do normy things, which is what the Democratic Party needs.
By the way, can I say that both the riot
story and this story broke at the end of the
week where we had the most Jerry Springer esque break up.
Oh gosh, Trump and Elon Musk, Like, the right is
just like falling flat on its face and like very
(22:17):
comically having this blow up, and the left is like,
but we can out do that.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think we can out do it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They're like, watch this, it's funny because we recorded our episode,
so we recorded on Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
This all hit on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
After our episode aired, the Elon and Trump fiasco, And
I have to say, our number one fan, my husband,
said that we should have done a special episode to
address it. Maybe we'll consider stuff like that in the future,
but we didn't in this case.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So now it's been a few days and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Elon is like tweeting through it. Yesterday he retweeted jd
Vance praising Donald Trump with a little American flag. It
felt very reminiscent of the show Seinfeld when George quits
his job in a huff and then regrets it and
just shows up on Monday hoping that everybody forgot it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, because this is like three days after he retweeted
the idea approvingly that we should impeach Donald Trump, fans
should become president, and he's like, oh. He also threatened
at one point to decommission some of his rocket technology.
I do think there are risks for everybody here for
the GOP in the future, for he has promised to
spend a bunch of money for Elon himself, who has
(23:34):
these businesses that are entangled with the government, as all
businesses are at this point, where particularly space travel businesses
to the American people who might lose out on the
actually really good stuff he does.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And actually some like tiny account tweeted at him and
said like, please don't decommission this rocket, like we need you.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We kind of all need to be together, and he's like, okay, fine.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I won't.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, he's very reachable.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He is and like, look, both of these men are
somewhat volatile. The funny thing about this blow up is
that Trump, even though Trump at one point at the
high Road, you know, Trump at one was like, maybe
we'll cancel all his contracts, But largely he looked like
the calmer of the two. And I do think accusing
Trump of being on Epstein's list, which is without evidence, absolutely,
(24:22):
and if Democrats had that information inside the federal government
at any point, we would have known about it by now. Like,
coming back from this is going to be tough, but
there's always the chance with these guys that like half
of it is pro wrestling fighting.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
All of my friends who are very committed MAGA people
were extremely upset about it, Like, are the people who
are having a good time and we're enjoying it. Are
the people who don't like Trump or don't like Musk
or don't like both of them?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And they were like, this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But the people who really like Trump did not like
him falling out with Elon. It was uh, you know,
I heard from friends that were like, please tell me
this is fake, Please tell me this is just trolling.
I couldn't tell them that because I didn't think it
was again accusing somebody of being a child molester. Accusing
the President of the United States being child molester is
(25:14):
sort of it's across the line.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I would say, yeah, yeah, that's a pretty clear line.
And they had been so I think, look, Trump has
always seemed quite affectionate toward Elus, right, yeah, including in
the meeting that they had in the Oval Office last
week where he's handing him the key to the White House,
and like, look, I wish that doge had been done
less mercurially and more professionally, and that you could like
(25:39):
I had higher hopes for that than were realized. But
I always have higher hopes than are realized because it's
the federal government. But so like part of it is
just like move along, go back to the things that
you're good at.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But they were on such good terms and then all
of a sudden it was like, right, like sad out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But maybe they're finding a way back, as Elon kind
of lovingly retweets him, which is really all Trump wants
is admiration and retweets.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And he's still the world's richest man, which means he's
got cachet in a little power. I will note I
saw somebody tweet I should really verify this first. What
the hell I saw somebody tweet that Bill Gates made
a visit to the White House while this dust up is.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Happening, So like tech bro exactly, He's like, I'm rich.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Dude, We're going to take a short break and come
right back with normally the other dust up this weekend.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Just can you guys not do it on weekends.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Like every weekend?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Take some weekends off.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
So out of nowhere, Seemingly, Simon Biles tweets bully someone
your own size, which would ironically.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Be a male Riley Gaines.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Making fun of Riley Gaines's buff amazing body is kind
of just a really low blow and confusing because some
Biles has a pretty buff body.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So it's crazy to me that in this discussion, which
to my knowledge she's never been in before, she decided
on a Saturday night to jump in with body shaming
a female athlete. We're having lots of muscles, Like, my friend,
you have so many muscles. I am in support of
both of you having all those muscles. I don't know
(27:24):
why you started out by saying like, oh, let's conform
to traditional feminine beauty standards and not be strong, was
her first outing bizarre on this she went she went
harder by saying, at Riley Gains, you're truly sick all
of this campaigning because you lost.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
A race, straight up sore loser.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding
a way to make sports inclusive or creating a new
avenue where trans feel safe in sports. Maybe a transgender
category in all sports? Okay, can I just say.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, you know, go ahead, I was going to say this.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know who had been be an interesting and powerful
leader to do that. Yeah, so Mbiles right, if she
wants a third category, it also acknowledges, yeah, that they're
not the same as women.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But I also want to say that, until five minutes ago,
saying that we should have a separate transgender category was
anti trans Literally, if you look up conversations from a
year ago, you'll find that conservatives were saying we should
have a separate category. Obviously, kids who identify as something
else should be able to play in sports anyway, but
(28:30):
they clearly can't compete. Boys cannot be in girls' sports,
So that transgender category is only now okay to say,
and only because people like Riley Gaines made this conversation
a national topic.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yes, and by the way, the bullying to which she
refers is simply pointing out that boys are competing with girls.
There is a Minnesota softball team that won its state
championship because there's a guy throwing heater from the mound
underhanded to young women, and so that that pitcher pitched
(29:06):
a bunch of shutouts and they won the state championship.
Riley points this out, and this is considered bullying ridiculously.
It's bullying from everyone involved to let this person steal
prestige from women who have worked really hard to get
to the state championship. And by the way, one thing
that annoys me about these one percent or female athletes
(29:27):
as a mediocre female athlete myself, once you have reached
the heights of a Simone Biles or a Megan Rappino, right,
first of all, you didn't have to come up through
a system in which there was a threat of men
repeating against you at any point. You got to the
absolute pinnacle. And like Simone Biles may never be surpassed.
(29:47):
You get to the absolute pinnacle and then you're like, oh,
but these guys like they're not important, like their dream
isn't as important as what mine was. I'm totally insulated
from this. Have accomplished everything I want to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Before it held that ladder up.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, and now I'm just gonna pull latter up. And
by the way, elite gymnasts in particular are insulated from
this in a way that more amateur or like lower
level gymnasts are not so USA Gymnastics I read from
Jennifer Say, who's an expert in this allows transjitter athletes
up until you get to like the varying lead levels,
(30:22):
because they know that that's not fair right lower down
and you're trying to make your dream happen.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Who might run up against a Marissa.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Those girls should should have to compete against the boys.
But once you reach elite levels, like you know, Simone Biles,
obviously all bets are off.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's disappointing. I'm it makes me sad.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It's unfortunate. And there was a big tennis match. I
don't I don't follow tennis. I gotta tell you it
was one of those things. But Coco Goff is from
South Florida, and the people of South Florida were losing
their minds when she so I do know a little
bit about that.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But she is the cutest.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
She won the French Open at I believe she's twenty
one years old. I believe she's following a similar track
to Serena Williams when it comes to accomplishing these amazing
things that I'm at stunning ages. And she just seems
like the most positive, positive, kindest, sweetest athlete. Yeah, And
I've admired her every time I've seen her win something
(31:25):
thus far because she always just seems cool. And she
was showing on TikTok today her little apparently you don't
get to take the trophy trophy, you get a minier
true trophy, and she's like, it's like carry on size.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
And she's disapplaining. It's everyone adorable. She's get fresh air.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I hope it stays that way.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And maybe and she won't have to compete against dudes,
say high school tennis, who has to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Well. Thanks for joining us on normally normally.
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