June 26, 2025 • 60 mins
PC Pres Corps Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into the explosive fallout from a leaked intelligence report questioning the effectiveness of a recent U.S. military strike on Teran. Hosts Clay and Buck, alongside commentary from Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, launch a full-throated defense of the mission and President Donald Trump’s leadership, while sharply criticizing the mainstream media for what they describe as politically motivated reporting. The hour opens with a breakdown of the CNN and New York Times leaks, which suggested the strike may have failed. Buck Sexton, drawing on his intelligence background, explains the complexities of identifying leakers and the dangers of politicizing classified information. The hosts argue that the leak was a deliberate attempt by the “deep state” to undermine President Trump’s credibility and military success. Pete Hegseth’s fiery Pentagon press conference is a focal point, where he accuses the press corps of rooting against Trump and downplaying the bravery and precision of U.S. pilots. The segment includes a viral moment where Hegseth is questioned for not explicitly acknowledging female pilots, prompting a broader discussion on gender politics in the military and media. A former female military pilot calls in to express support for Hegseth, dismissing the controversy as media-driven nitpicking. Why What Happens in NY Matters Everywhere the political upheaval surrounding New York City's mayoral race, highlighting the rise of Democratic Socialist candidate Zohran Mamdani. Clay and Buck analyze the implications of Mamdani's nomination, emphasizing how his progressive platform—backed by figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders—signals a broader shift within the Democratic Party. They explore the national ramifications of this political momentum, warning that what happens in New York could soon influence Democrat-led cities across the country. The hosts critique Mamdani's proposals, including an 800% increase in funding for hate crime prevention and his assertion that the criminal justice system is inherently racist. They argue these initiatives are more about left-wing indoctrination than effective governance. The conversation also touches on Mamdani's savvy use of social media and his appeal to younger voters, many of whom are financially supported by their parents and drawn to socialism despite benefiting from capitalism. Local Story with National Reach Eric Adams, the current NYC mayor, is portrayed as a potential moderate counterweight, possibly running as an independent. The show discusses the strategic challenges Adams faces, especially if former Governor Andrew Cuomo enters the race, potentially splitting the anti-Mamdani vote. The hosts also examine the fractured state of the Democratic Party, debating whether it can still suppress far-left candidates or if it will continue to “double down on crazy.” President Donald Trump is referenced as a stabilizing force, particularly in contrast to the chaos the hosts associate with progressive policies. They highlight the effectiveness of Trump-era immigration enforcement, with praise for figures like Tom Homan and Stephen Miller, and criticize sanctuary city policies that undermine federal law enforcement. The hour concludes with a broader cultural critique, linking the rise of socialism to generational entitlement and a rejection of meritocracy. The hosts argue that capitalism’s success has ironically enabled the luxury of anti-capitalist sentiment, particularly among younger, affluent urban voters. Do You Buy This Story? Jamaal Bowman's questionable story about being yelled at by a white dude in Yonkers, NY. Media bias and the decline of CNN’s credibility. Jake Tapper lectures us on the purpose of journalism. Clay and Buck point out that CNN has become a partisan outlet, losing its former status as a trusted news source. They dis
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you rolling with us as
we are diving into the biggest stories of the day
and beyond probably, but also it's going to have a
(00:20):
lot of fun with you as we break down everything
going on in the larger universe. And right off the
top here, we had a big conversation about this yesterday,
the fact that there was a leak to CNN and
The New York Times that suggested the attack on Saturday
evening here in the United States on Tehran was not
(00:43):
actually effective, and that has been pushed back on aggressively.
And it started really early this morning at eight am Eastern,
when Pete Hegseth came out and just went to town
on the press and the reporting surrounded this. Now, I
want to play some of these cuts because it was
a pretty intense press conference, but I'll start with a
(01:06):
conversation that we had yesterday, which was about the challenge
the difficulty of finding out who leaked this information, particularly
as it appears that it may well not have been accurate.
So Buck, you worked in the intelligence community when you
saw this report was leaked, did you think initially, hey,
(01:30):
this is kind of unheard of. Did it totally seem
maybe not a positive thing, but not an unexpected thing.
And I know we talked about this some yesterday, but
what are the difficulties that would be inherent in figuring
out who actually leaked to this because it is certainly
classified information.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, the fact that somebody would take this to the
press so early on in the process and that it
was already known to be a low confidence assessment just
means somebody wanted to blunt the narrative of Trump is
just kicking ass and making excellent decisions as commander in chief.
And this war those who said, it's not even a war,
(02:13):
it's a military strike, okay, you know, think of all
the countries that we have had military operations in that
we would not consider ourselves to be at war or
in the midst of a war.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But Clay, this was meant.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
To have a political ramification, because if you wanted this
to have US national security in mind, if you wanted
to be somebody said, hey, guys, hey, I'm worried about
the reactors. I'm worried that there could still be a
lot more here. We didn't get enough. What you would
want is to wait until you pull together all of
(02:47):
the best sources, get it rock solid, and then work
its way up the chain through the CIA director or
the DiiA director in this case, and then at that
point you know you would have done your due diligence.
This wasn't a due diligence moment. This was somebody who
decided I'm going to be the one who reigns on
(03:08):
Trump's parade. Here, this was an individual. This was a
deep stater. This is someone who did not have the
interests of the United States in mind, but the interests
of a very bitter and weak and feckless looking Democrat
machine in mind, and hope to take away some of
the sense of a bulliance and some of the congratulations
(03:31):
that have been going around, not just for Trump's decision,
but for the men and women who flew the airstrikes themselves,
for the Pentagon pulling this off, the intelligence community for
having these sites mapped out play.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's a big win. But this would to me, this
is a bit like saying.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Somebody from within the intelligence community after the bin laden
raid is raising concerns that there was really, you know,
no document exploitation that came out of that raid, or
maybe that we didn't even get bin laden.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So why would you do that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You would only do that if you were trying to
hurt Now, of course that didn't happen because somehow our
team doesn't do those kinds of leaks. That's always a Democrat,
left wing thing when there's a leak of classified to
hurt a commander in chief.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But that's what this was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's very clear there's no way that this person could
have had the level of visibility necessary to with a
Remember it's a low confidence assessment.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Clay I was.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
In the room many times with people from d IA, CIA, NSA,
go down the list all of them, and there were
squabbling over who's right about very important and we were
at war, right, we were in the midst of a war,
and you know things like, hey, could a surge in
Baghdad work to stabilize things? Let me tell you something,
(04:45):
a lot of fighting and dissenting voices over that. The
notion that one person has the keys to the kingdom
on the damage assessment is absurd. It's just a political hit,
and that's why they should go after the leaker.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
All right, so let me play some of these cuts.
This was from the Pentagon earlier today. Secretary of Defense
Pete Hutt Hegseth. I do give a lot of credit.
We've talked about this on the program. They made everybody
get there early eight am Eastern time start for this
to dominate the news cycle for the day. Here's hegseet
(05:20):
blasting the press in particular for these leaks. This is
cut too.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Because you, and I mean specifically you, the press, specifically
you the press corps, because you cheer against Trump so hard.
It's like in your DNA and in your blood to
cheer against Trump because you want him not to.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Be successful so bad.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You have to cheer against the efficacy of these strikes.
You have to hope maybe they weren't effective, Maybe the
way the Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Administration is representative isn't true. So let's take half truths.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Spun information, leaked information, and then spin it, spin it
in every way we can to try to cause doubt
and manipulate the mind, the public mind over whether or
not our brave pilots were successful.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How many stories have.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Been written about how hard it is to I don't
know fly a plane for thirty six hours.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Has MSNBC done.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That story as Fox? Have we done the story how
hard that is? Have we done it two or three
times so that American people understand, How about how difficult
it is to shoot a drone from an F fifteen
or sixteen or F twenty two or F thirty five,
or what it's like to man a Patriot battery, or
how hard it is to refuel mid air. Giving the
American people an understanding of how complex and sophisticated this
(06:40):
mission really was. There are so many aspects of what
our brave men and women did that because of the
hatred of this press, corps are undermined because your people
are trying to leak and spin that it wasn't successful.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's your responders. Okay, so that's one. Let's continue. This
sounds a little bit like Fox and Friends or a
hit that Pete Hegseth is doing on Fox News. And
it's one reason I think that Trump wanted him in
this position because he is a very talented communicator, and
that matters in this world where you are really having
(07:17):
to lace on the gloves and go head to head
with the press every single day. Here's cut three more
on Hegseth saying, the classified information, as you said, Buck,
is leaked to try and harm Trump cut three time
and time again.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Classified information is leaked or pedled for political purposes, to
try to make the president look bad. And what's really
happening is you're undermining the success of incredible B two
pilots and incredible F thirty five pilots, and incredible refuelers
and incredible air defenders who accomplish their mission set back
a nuclear program in ways that other presidents would have dreamed.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
How about we celebrate that.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
How about we talked about how special America is that
we only we have these capabilities.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think it's too much to ask.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Unfortunately for the fake news, so we're used.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
To that, but we also have an opportunity to stand
at the podium and read the truth of what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And the reality is.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
You want to call it destroyed, you want to call
it defeated, you want to call it obliterated.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Choose your word.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
This was an historically successful attack and we should celebrate
as Americans, and it gives us a chance to have peace,
chance to have a deal, and an opportunity to prevent
a nuclear Iran, which is something President Trump talked about
for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean guns blazing here. I don't think we mentioned
the New York Times getting upset about the fact that
heg Seth praised our boys, and so he was actually asked,
we have this cut. And I couldn't believe he was
actually asked, why not acknowledge female pilots that participated instead
(08:53):
of congratulating the boys?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
This is cut for why not acknowledge the female pilots
that also participated in this mission. The early messages that
you sent out only congratulated the boys. So when I
say something like our boys and bombers, see, this is
the kind of thing the press does.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Of course, the chairman mentioned a female bomber pilot. That's fantastic.
She's fantastic, She's a hero. I want more female bomber pilots.
I hope the men and women of our country sign
up to do such brave and audacious things.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But when you spin it as because I say our
boys and.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Bombers is a common phrase, I'll keep saying things like that,
whether they're men or women. Very proud of that female pilot,
just like I'm very proud of those male pilots, and
I don't care if it's a male or a female
in that cockpit, and the American people don't care. But
it's the obsession with race and gender in this department
that's changed priorities.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And we don't do that anymore. We don't play your
little games. I love this. I mean, I can't believe
that's a real question he got to ask. But it's
good that we see that.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
This is what the press still pretends is their job
right is to push They're just asking questions. We'll get
to Jake Tapper's latest on that. Really they're always pushing
an agenda. No one thinks that Pete Hegseth was undermining
any woman who This is a bit like saying, hey,
when you when you were talking, you said, hey, you guys,
great job. Why didn't you say you guys and girls?
(10:10):
I mean, it's absurd, it's it's childish, it's it's focused
on nothing. But I also think that what the shows
you play is in these you know, the media, the
non Fox media and the Democrat media, the non aligned
leftist media. They have been making a lot of jokes
about how Fox News essentially has staffed this Trump administration.
(10:33):
And what's interesting is, yeah, guess what. Now You've got
people who are both qualified to do the job, people
like Dan Bongino and and Hegseeth and others who are
also really good at media and comms themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yes, and so if you think back to.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Other times, we've had people who are running, you know,
Department of Defense, We've had people who were in these
kinds of cabinet level position, Secretary of Say, look look
at Secretary of Say Rubio. I mean that guy might
as well have been a Fox contributor for the last decade.
He's been on Fox, you know, as much as anybody.
They're good at this, and so the ability that the
media has to attack them, trip them up, undermine them,
(11:11):
and then focus on that instead of what's actually happening
is vastly diminished. I mean it's almost non existent at
this point.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Can you imagine being a Pentagon News reporter and we
just had the strike that we did on Iran and
you get a limited amount of time to ask questions
and a limited amount of things that you can even
ask about because they're only going to be whatever it is.
Five six seven people called on that. That would be
the thing that you went in as a Pentagon reporter
(11:41):
to focus on was the fact that one female was
there and said when the when he said the boys
in the planes or whatever the heck used to be,
that that would be your focus. It even is stunning
to me.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Still this all makes sense, though, because their job. If
you work for the Washington Post and you're in the
Pentagon briefing room, or work for the New York Times
and you're in the White House, the only way you're
going to get any attention and that your readership, which
is hyper partisan, is going to like your reporting is
if you manage to attack successfully, get them to stumble,
(12:16):
get to pull some sound bite.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They don't actually care about the information.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
They don't They're not there to ask relevant, reasonable questions
and get back objective data for the American people. They
are there to be partisan attack dogs, and so if
they don't do that, they're not actually serving the purposes
of their paper.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I get the part as an attack dog thing, but
to think that your audience is obsessed because he used
the word boys and did you see.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Who asked that question? Did you see who asked that question?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
She's been wagging her finger at people for saying you
guys for the last twenty years, I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I just I can't believe that that is real. And
by the way, the New York Times got savaged in
their live chat because they had a male reporter who said,
in real time, Hey, well, actually you know there was
a girl. First of all, when the idea that boys
and girls or guys or we all understand the concept,
(13:23):
I mean, I imagine it comes from the boys in the
bombers is also a phrase boys in the boat, which
was one of the best selling books, A great book
by the way, But is there are there any women
that were actually offended by that? I just the fact
that that would be a question that's asked of the
Secretary of Defense in a limited public availability situation where
(13:46):
he doesn't answer a lot of questions, is actually even
for left wing media, I think a huge embarrassment for them.
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Speaker 2 (15:31):
Mamadanni Mania sweeping the Democrats all across this land of ours,
and uh, we all know from yesterday that this guy,
Zoran Mamadani is the Democrat nominee for the mayor of
New York City. Now that's not a done deal. There
(15:52):
are some long bomb in the end zone hopes that
maybe Eric Adams could pull this off, or maybe there's
some Cuomo deal, although I think Cuomo now is just
considered a loser right the comeback play, the comeback has
(16:13):
not worked out the way that Cuomo wanted these. The
spaghetti and meat balls was not as good as he
was hoping for. It's because it was a.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Total whiff by me, Buck, I mean, I really thought
that they had rolled out the red carpet for him.
I thought he was going to win the mayoral race
and would then use it as the jumping off point
to be a candidate in twenty twenty eight. Instead, I
think his political career is over. I think I think
he gave up the political ghosts, so to speak, in
that loss and the way that he lost.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So now here here's again, I have to I bring
this to.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Your attention because so go with New York City, so
go with a lot of other Democrat cities. I think
this is going to be viewed. So if you live
in Texas and you're like, well, that's New York's problem. Yeah,
but you know he's live in a city like Houston
or Dallas, which is Democrat majority.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Unfortunately, this might affect you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You know, obviously, if you live in California, you're in
a Democrat enclave statewide. You know, there's a lot of stuff,
a lot of stuff that that will filter out from this.
And I think it's an interesting test case because you
already have national level them. You had Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton,
I don't even know he was on Twitter. He was like, hey, here,
you're a socialist. You love those pretty ladies. I lock
(17:29):
pretty ladies too. We should talk, you know. Bill Clinton
all of a sudden giving his congratulations Komaney himself, just kidding.
Komane didn't congratulate him, but it would have been funny
if he had. Komatie did say that they've won the
war though, that is I do have that one here.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
We'll get to that later.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Bill Clinton, congratulations to Zorn on your victory, wishing you success.
Well yeah, yeah, nothing really interesting there. But Bill Clinton
weighed in AOC and Bernie there's really there's really a
decision that's being made with AOC within the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
There's the AOC.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Bernie pathway, and then there's the you know, somebody who's
the Democrat in charge of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
What's that guy? I'm forgetting blanket. You know, there's like
the Basheer.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Or the governor of Maryland or the you know, there's
that Like, I'm a Democrat, but I'm not like one
of those crazy Democrats. They'll do whatever Chuck Schumer and
Nancy Pelosi tell them, but they pretend.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Not to be right.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Right now, you've just had a big win go up
on the board for the crazy AOC wing of the
Democrat Party. And I understand you might say, Buck, they'll
never be able to win a national election. Kamala lost
by in the.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Electoral college, which is what matters.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
A couple of hundred thousand votes really right, meaning I
understand she lost by a lot more she lost the
popular vote. I'm not taking away from Trump's enormous victory.
It was fantastic, but if you were able to shift
a couple of hundred thousand votes in half a dozen states,
really less than the half dozen states would have been president.
So don't let's not get complacent about the fact that
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the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime is somebody who
wasn't that far. It was not like a you know, Mondale,
absolute thrashing. Okay, this was something that was closer than
it should have been. Now let's just just because of why,
I don't want you to think, oh, this is just
New York City's problem. This is that's like saying Soros
(19:27):
prosecutors were New York's problem. Oh wait, hold on a second.
They were in every major city in the country for
a while. There were Soros prosecutors in Saint Louis and
and in Philly, and in la and the let you
now you get it on the list right Chicago. Soros
money all over the country. So you have to watch
these trends. Clay, let's get into some of the crazy
(19:48):
stuff here. Socialist democrat Zoran Mamdani. Something that he says
he wants to do this is cut nine. This guy
says he wants to eight hundred percent in tree hate
crime prevention play this.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I know that Jewish New Yorkers, like Jewish Americans, are
fearful in this moment of antisemitism. And ultimately, it's through
the conversations I've had with Jewish New Yorkers that I
have developed a proposal for the Department of Community Safety
that would include an eight hundred percent increase in funding
for hate crime prevention programs. Because ultimately, we cannot simply
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say that anti Semitism has no home in this city
or no place in this country. We have to do
more than talk about it. We have to tackle it.
And that's what we will do. Through this funding and
through this commitment, we will root out bigotry across the
five boroughs.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Let me just throw this out there, Clay.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
This is going to absolutely not work at all to
stop any bigotry, but it will be a way to
fund left wing and doctrination programs in community centers, schools
and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, and look, I think what you're saying is so
important because a lot of people think, oh, New York City,
that doesn't really impact to my life in a substantial way.
I think who with the mayor of New York City
is impacts all of our lives, even if you live
in the smallest town in Alabama or the most remote
(21:12):
part of Utah. The decisions made in New York City,
given its primacy as the financial capital of the world,
have a major residence, and the idea that New York
City is going to potentially elect a guy like Mom
Donnie should be a clarion call for sanity to ring forth.
(21:34):
And I think maybe some of these parents that are
subsidizing all their kids to live in New York City.
Producer Ali made a good point yesterday, But I do
think it's true that a lot of Mom Donnie's voters
are young under thirties, who otherwise wouldn't be living in
New York City but for the fact that their parents
are helping to pay their rent and they have decided
(21:57):
they like socialism. The parents like capital because that's how
they can afford to take care of their kids. But
I do think that there's a generational divide here, and
I think as you break all of this down, Unfortunately, look,
I don't know that the Democrat Party, this is a
(22:18):
good question for you, buck is still in a powerful
enough position that they would be able to knock out
a Bernie Sanders candidacy now that they would be able
to knock out an AOC candidacy. Now, I think the
party is so fractured and so broken, and you might say, okay,
well that's good. The problem is they could win. I
(22:39):
don't think it's a crazy idea that Bernie Sanders could
if he weren't eighty three or eighty four or whatever
the heck he is, that he could catch fire, someone
like him could catch fire and end up as the president.
I don't think it's a crazy, ridiculous idea. I'm gonna
tell you something.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I watched a lot of these Mom Donnie videos and
the guy is the guy is very slick. He understands
social media. He comes across as just objectively, he comes
across as affable and pretty humble and a guy who
just wants to talk to people. He did this whole
(23:19):
video it's now gone pretty viral play where he goes
around talking to like you know, if people call him
like halal carts, like the meat, meat and rice carts
that are in New York City, asking them like why
is it so expensive? Like why is it ten or
twelve dollars? Now for this wouldn't couldn't be less. And
he has these guys he goes right in and they're saying, Oh,
(23:40):
it's because of city permitting. The city permitting process is
corrupt and takes too long and it's too expensive. And
he goes, oh, we're going to fix that. You know,
say what you will about the fact that he was,
you know, freezing. There's a whole bill Ackman has a
whole takedown to this guy. Freezing rent prices is just
going to make the housing shortage worse course, because.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It means that, you know, there are expenses that are already.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Baked in and people have to build more, and they
don't want to build more if they can't actually charge
the market rate anyway. So here he's an economic illiterate,
but he understands Mom, Donnie understands story, and he understands
social media and how to connect with an audience. I
you know, don't don't sleep on this guy. Everybody, you know,
we have this thing, you know, and I know we've
(24:24):
done this with AOC two. Oh you know she's this
guy doesn't strike me as dumb. Wrong, yes, dumb. No,
he doesn't strike me as dumb. And you know, horrible
ideas certainly. But this is the other you know, the
option that Democrats have is not is to say we're
not going to go towards the center and try to
reform our crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We're gonna double down on crazy. We're just gonna package
it better.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh I think AOC sees this and says I'm running
for president now in twenty twenty eight. Absolutely, I've said
that's all along.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You asked me right after this election, who's going to
be the leader Democrat Party as well? He AOC at
one point, and then I've also mentioned Wes Moore, the
governor of Maryland.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But those are the pathways.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
There's the AOC hard left socialist, just say the stuff
that you want to say as and then there's.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
The oh I'm not like them, I'm more normal.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And then you get the AOC policies. But you get
somebody who pretends to be something else during the election cycle.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That's the way sure approach. The Democrat Party has the
ability to slap down someone like Bernie Sanders if he
were running today, which if I'm looking at AOC, I'm saying,
mom Donnie just ran through. What did mom Donnie do? Well?
He's pretty good on social media you may think, and
I certainly think that AOC is economically illiterate and a moron.
(25:44):
There's a huge audience for what she puts out on
social media, and she's skilled at that. Now I don't
I hope that her overall policies are so crazy and
she would do such a poor job even of defending
those policies that she not be capable of winning an election.
But I think you're starting to see that the Democrat
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Party had two pathways. They could wake up and be
somewhat more sane, or at least pretend to be more
sane and take the more moderate path as they move
towards twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, or they
could double triple and quadruple down on crazy. And it
seems to me that the early returns, based on what
(26:27):
we saw in New York City, are that they're going
to double triple, quadruple down on crazy. And you know,
now we're in a situation where Eric Adams is the
savior of New York City, and that's only if they
can get Cuomo to officially drop out, if they can
find a way to kind of corral this strange coalition
(26:47):
that potentially he would be able to bring to bear,
and that would require black voters interestingly deciding that they
had to show up in a monster number for Eric
Adams in order to offset a lot of these young
white voters that have fallen in love with socialism.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So you've got Mamdannie talking about the eight hundred percent
increase in the anti bigotry forces, not police, like, I
don't know what they're going to be bigotry prevention programs. Also,
as we know in New York, talking about if you're
talking about anti Semitic or anti Asian bigotry, yeah, probably
(27:27):
not gonna if you're a leftist, you're not going to
like the demographics that are disproportionately targeting those groups. This
is just a matter of fact, a matter of numbers
and data. But put that aside for a moment. Here
is really at the heart of it, Mamdani saying that
our criminal justice system, this is cut eight, is just
straight up racist.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
The alternatives are things that we must look to immediately,
both with regards to you neighborhood groups who do anti
violence work and are shown to be more effective than
the police, but also asking you know, if we have
an understanding that our criminal justice system is racist, which
is a quite a general understanding now it seems to
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be shared by many, many people. And how can we
simultaneously be investing in it as the way we both
judge and determine the futures of so many people in
our state.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now that was twenty twenty, granted, but the criminal justice
system in this country is actually not racist.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It is not racist.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I know that this is something Democrats love to say.
But the laws are the laws, and we.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have talked about this before, and to me, the way
that this gets destroyed is if you just push back
anybody who says this, just nod and say super sexist too.
Why are men charged with crime?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Men do really unfair those murdered laws. Men do all
the murders.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
This is my favorite argument, Clay. We've been making it
here for a long time because they don't know what
to say, because they have to admit, Yeah, men commit
more murders. We just threw sorry, guys, we're the ones
who kill people. Does that mean we should change the
murder laws? Does that mean that murder laws are sexist?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It does not.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's pretty strong argument.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
It's a good one to use on your kids or
grandkids if they bring that home with you sometime instead
of immediately combating them there say, you know what, I've
been thinking about this a lot. Why are men in
prison at such higher rates than women? I think maybe
we need to go back and look at all of
our laws. They're very sexist, and see how your kids respond.
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friend Caroline Levitt taking questions right now on the intel
leaks surrounding the Iran operation. We have been talking about
(30:48):
the big decision that New York City is going to have.
What do you think Cuomo does? I was totally wrong.
I thought I did think he would run for mayor.
I look like a genius. Told I can put this
one in the forget file. Clay, Okay, you've made some great.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Calls, this one. This one didn't quite work out as
we thought, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
What's the best Let's pretend that you were giving advice
to Andrew Cuomo. Is it to now get behind mom
Donnie and just kind of step off to the side,
or is it to try to run as an independent
and maybe have a secret deal behind the scenes. Because
(31:28):
if he runs as an independent and Eric Adams runs,
then Mom Donnie's definitely gonna win because they will split
the Mom Donnie opposition vote.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I think he's a two time loser, and that means
the best thing that he can do is to get
an agent and find his way onto an episode of
Law and Order where he plays a probably elderly mobster
or something along those lines, maybe a corrupt politician. I
do not think that he has a future in New
(31:59):
York politics anymore after this. I don't see it, because
you know, you can't win the no, He'll just be
playing spoiler at that point. If I'm a New Yorker
and I'm New York adjacent in my heart, right, I mean,
if I'm a New Yorker still though voting. You know,
I talk to my family about this all the time,
and I want what's best for New York. Not just
for all of our fantastic wo R listeners and podcast
(32:20):
listeners in the New York area. We want the best
for all of you, but also my own family is there.
So when when we talk about safe streets in New York,
I'm thinking about my mom, my dad, my sister, and
I'm thinking about people who I love and mean a
lot to me. So that means that I want what's best.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
In what way is Andrew Cuomo an improvement over Eric Adams?
I have to say I don't think he is. And
so that's where the problem. You've got a guy who's
already mayor, already in the job. Not horrible, Okay, he's
not good, you know, I think Eric Adams And let
me know w O R listeners if you want, if
(33:00):
you think this is a fair grade. I think he's
a you know, if the Blasio was an F, I
think Mayor Eric Adams is probably a C minus maybe
a C. You know, I think that's that's a fair
you know, he's not intentionally maliciously destroying New York.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
He's just not a very good manager. Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
He was good on the issue. Let's take a few things.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
He tried to help on the crime issue. Brought in
somebody good here with Jesse Tish to run the NYPED
as commissioner. He spoke out in a way that I
think was really important for the Trump campaign. Actually he
didn't speak on behalf of them, but when he said
guys were flooded with all these migrants, this is crazy.
He was honest about that. And said he didn't want anymore.
So he did do some things that are there's nothing
(33:44):
I can do. Blasio did nothing that is good. Everything
to Blasio did was in my in my mind, every
decision he made was against the interest of New Yorkers.
And we can just forget about him. But you know,
didn't he run for president? By the way, didn't he
run for president?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
For a second?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he did, wasn't he One of those guys
was like, I'm also on this stage.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Everyone was like, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So Clay, I think that Eric Adams is the non
mom downy hope of New York now.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And is that enough?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And people who are gonna tell me, Buck, you can
get behind Curtis Sliewell, you can get behind Curtis Sliewill.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Obviously I agree with Curtis. I like Curtis.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
We've had him on the show several times. You've had
him on the show. You know he's it's an eighty
twenty democrat city guys, It's just not gonna happen. It's
just not gonna happen. I wish you know that that
wasn't the case. But you just had the most radical
leftist win the Democrat primary. You're not about to win
over a lot of Democrats to be a Republican. That's
(34:38):
not gonna happen to vote for a Republican.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
A part of me wonders whether there might be such
a panic setting in among the Wall Street universe that
somebody with hundreds of millions of dollars a lah of Bloomberg.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well Ackman is by saying he's gonna spend huge money
Bill Ackman, who's kind of happy.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
To get him. We need to get him on the
show because I think that would be an interesting conversation.
But he has been tweeting that there are people out
there that he thinks he could help to persuade. The
challenge is, whoever is opposed to Mom Donnie, everybody else
has to drop out, and there has to be one
focal point of, Hey, this is the guy or the gal,
(35:21):
as the case may be, who is going to go
head to head against Mom Donnie, and everybody has to
get behind this person. My concern is, I think Cuomo's
ego is involved here. Now, Eric Adams, I don't think
there's any way he's going to drop out, And then
Curtis Sliwa, you start getting all these different groups, and
(35:43):
it's hard to get to fifty percent plus one when
you've got bes many different splintered individuals running. De Blasio's
presidential campaign, by the way, good research by Ali. He
ran from May sixteenth, twenty nineteen to September twentyth, twenty nineteen,
spent one point four million dollars, and everybody just kind
(36:06):
of laughed him out of the arena, because even New
Yorkers were like, this is one of the craziest things
we've ever seen that a guy who's this didn't the
guy this unpopular would decide to run? Did it? Build?
The Blasio make news most recently Buck, because he and
his wife announced that they were going to basically have
an open marriage. Am I wrong about this?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think I know this and tried to forget it
because I don't really need to know this stuff. But
I believe there's something like that that has occurred.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, they made a public statement that they were staying married,
but they were going to be with other people. I mean,
what a ridiculous guy that dude was the fact that
he could get elected actually makes me terrified because Mom, Donnie,
to your point, Buck is actually a super articulate smart,
(36:56):
charismatic guy who's just wrong about everything, but he's not
an unlikable person, if that makes sense. He's wrong about everything,
but not unlikable, and also smart and savvy when it
comes to trying to understand how to make arguments on
social media. Yes, I think that he's more formidable than
(37:17):
a lot of people looking from the outside are are
assessing right now.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And that's something to keep in mind as we go forward.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So look, I'm totally I hope I'm wrong on this one,
and I hope that this is something that you know
that does not come to pass. But here is, let
me see, We've got Tom Homan laying down the law. Here.
You know, there's this whole separation of powers thing, and
(37:47):
here is Tom Holman saying, look, you can't kick ice
out of New York, buddy. It's called federal law play sixteen.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
He's vowed to kick the quote fascist ice out of
New York City. Okay, So how do you intend to
deal with that? Because I would guess there's gonna be
a lot of criminals and Iranian seals and whatnot in
New York City.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
The job's not done there. What do you say to
this guy.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
Good luck for that douggle law trumps him every every
every every day, every hour, every minute. We're gonna be
in New York City. Matter of fact, because there's a
sanctuary city. President Trump made a clear week and a
half ago, we're going we're going double Downald triuple down
on sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
If we can't arrest the bad guy and accounted.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
You know, one agent rest and one bad guy, they
released him in the streets like New York does every day.
We got to send whole team to look at this
this guy.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, that's gonna be a showdown that I don't think
it's gonna go well for Mam Donnie. By the way,
I don't think that he wants to be on the
other side of Tom Homan on the immigration issue because,
first of all, legally Holman's right, and second of all,
if there's anything that looks like a showdown, this Mam
Donnie guy is gonna shrink away from that fight very quickly.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm not sure anybody in the entire Trump team is
working harder right now than Tom Holman is. I mean,
if you look at.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That Pean Miller, I mean when we saw him, Steven
Miller looks like he looks like he lives on a
cot on.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
The White House floor right now. I mean he's going
through a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
There are a lot of guys who are working unbelievable
hours because they see this as the eighteen months when
Trump is able to be his most effective and efficient
version of himself. But the amount of media that is
out there that Tom Holman is doing on a day
to day basis and the amount of success that he
is having is frankly unparalleled. And I know we talk
(39:35):
about this on this program and try to make sure
that we reference it often. I'm not sure in our
lives that there has ever been anything that government has
fixed faster and more effectively than the border under Trump
when you consider historic failure under Biden. And it was
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as if a light switch just got flipped or got
off whichever direction you want to go, and overnight everything
changed and it became flawless. And you know that's the
case because it suddenly isn't talked about anywhere, But my goodness,
this is the number one thing Trump said he would fix,
(40:16):
and they don't want to give him any credit for it.
But Tom Holman and the team and Steven Miller is
a part of this too. They've just been unbelievable on
this front.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Also, want to bring this to your attention again because
I know, you know, we talk about this and it's like, oh,
we're so new York focused and bucks from New York.
And maybe that's why a lot of people are focused
in on this all over the country right now, because
it's a playbook that I think you're going to see
replicated elsewhere, and you could even see replicated in the
twenty twenty eight election cycle, which I know feels like
(40:44):
an eternity.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Away, but it's not. I'll be here before you know it.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
And socialist Mamdanni Kami Mamdani this is cut ten is saying, yeah,
what I did, this should be the playbook. This absolutely
will work in other cities in other states across America.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Play it. You're a proud Democratic socialist.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Do you think that is a platform that would work
for other candidates running in other parts of the country.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
I think ultimately this is a campaign about inequality, and
you don't have to live in the most expensive city
in the country to have experienced that inequality. Because it's
a national issue and what Americans coast to coast are
looking for are people who will fight for them. And
part of how we got to this point was through
the endorsements of Congressman Alexandria Ocasio Cortes and Senator Bernie Sanders,
(41:31):
who've been leading this fight against oligarchy across the country.
And I think that in focusing on working people and
their struggles, we also return back to what makes so
many of us proud to be Democrats in the first place.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Not shine away from it at all, Clay, I think
you will see more people try to play this. Remember
the whole thing about socialism is that all you have
to do you find as many people as possible who
are unhappy with some aspect of their day to day life,
and you tell them it's not your fault. There's nothing
that you can do to change this. Other people are
(42:05):
the reason for this. I'm going to hurt those other people,
usually financially, sometimes more than that, but I'm going to
hurt those other people and take their stuff and give
it to you and make your problems go away. It's
very appealing. It works for a reason, and so we
have not seen the end of this. You know, on
the right, we yell socialism and act like it's some
(42:26):
kind of argument ender a lot of people, a lot
of you, especially gen X and gen Z. They love
their socialism. They don't know what it is, but sounds
good to them.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
The biggest flaw of capitalism is it provides the wealth
and luxury to think you don't need capitalism anymore. It's
just the lesson out there is you have to have
the freedom and the time and the wealth in order
to make these arguments. And I look at those Mom
Donnie celebration partners. Those aren't poor kids celebrating Mom Donnie winning,
(43:00):
not people struggling to put food in their mouths. I
know who they are. I know who they are.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I used to socialize in New York with a lot
of people that would fall into the Mamdani category. M clay,
you know I often mentioned Naval Ravakan. Did you see this?
I just thought this was a perfect one liner on
this whole situation. He wrote, socialism is the suicide pact
of mediocrity. It is absolutely true, and that really gets
(43:27):
the psychology of it. If there are people that have
more than me, people work you know that are doing
more than me, people that are happier and enjoying more
than me.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I want a.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
System of power that will pull them down and promises.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
To pull me up.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And even if it doesn't pull me up, as long
as it pulls them down, I'll be happy.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
This is why I thought sports was such an important battleground,
because sports is the ultimate meritocracy. Best man or best
woman wins, and as soon as they can start to
create the idea that there's something wrong with that, or
that a boy can be a girl's champ and all
this other stuff, they destroy the underbelly of much of
success in the meritocracy in the country, which is embedded
(44:11):
in sports. You know, I made this argument something fun
for you guys to think about. Is there anything more
trusted in America today than the scoreboard? Think about that
for a minute, and where everybody sits around and argues
about everything the scoreboard in a game, if it's a
little bit off, everybody's standing up like that, Hey that
(44:32):
bucket was just made. Now. You may be upset with
officials every now and then, but I would argue that
the scoreboard might be the most trusted symbol in America today,
that we trust it to be able to tell us
who's winning and who's losing, and at the end, of
a game, everybody says, you know what that team won
or that team lost. Think about it for a minute.
I really think it might be number one. Look, I
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want to say thanks. I've met a ton of you
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you say please don't say positive things about it up
here because it's getting so crowded, but it is amazing
in the summer up here. We've been all over the place.
Traverse City News Talk five eighty has been taking care
(46:26):
of us every single day here this week, and I
appreciate all of you bucks been down in Miami. I'm
sitting here in a jacket because it's only like sixty
five degrees today. But new affiliate that we have up
here in Traverse City, Michigan WTCM five eighty they've had
me all week. They have been fantastic couple of cuts
(46:47):
that I want to play for you because I think
they kind of get at the failures that CNN in
general has been having. First of all, every evening they
just have sort of the Star Wars universe of crazy
left wing peddler arguments. And Jamal Bowman, who lost his
(47:08):
Democrat primary and no longer has a job, was on
he is the guy who pulled the fire alarm and
was defeated in the New York City area district which
he was representing. Here he is saying, and I want
to get Buck's reaction to this, that he was confronted
on the street and heckled, and this is what he
(47:31):
has to deal with on a regular basis. Listen, I
don't want to fight. I just want to chill. I
just want to know. I was in I was walking
down the street the other day.
Speaker 7 (47:40):
Some white dude, ballhead, he looked me, called me a
piece of in my face, said I'm gonna get what's
coming to me. Why not deal with that dog in
Yaker's New York can tell you I'm not making that up.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Do you buy it? Buck? Do you think Jamal Bowman?
Speaker 3 (47:56):
I think he's making it up. Yes, I think he's
making it up.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Jamal Bowman, I've seen bench three plates on each side.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
He's a big dude. H Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I mean so, I just I don't buy this story.
And it's one of these things you can never prove
or disprove.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't believe that somebody went up to him in Yonkers.
And you know, I'm just glad he didn't say that.
You know, the guy yelled like this is a maga
country or whatever like this just sounds fake to me.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I just don't buy very often big dudes being confronted
by probably small and if the guy who confronted Jamal
Bowman would have to be a heavyweight boxer or an
NFL defensive lineman to be appreciably bigger than Jamal Momen.
(48:41):
First of all, I don't think most people know who
Jamal Bowman is, and I don't mean that to be
to insult him. I just I don't think most people
in New York City have any idea who he is.
So the percentage of people that would hate him enough
to taunt him face to face and know him is
what like one of New York.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Also, the way he tells the story, did he did
he do something like rude to somebody and then they
responded because they're supposed to think? I guess that someone
came after him because he's Jamal Bowman. I don't know,
maybe he was. Maybe he was having a loud speakerphone
conversation or doing something that sets people off that made
you know, I gave somebody on my plane ride over
(49:22):
to France Clay an extra set of headphones. Oh no,
Because I turned around, I said, I have a spare.
I have a spare.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
He was wise. It was a guy.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's a white guy in his fifties, okay, very well dressed,
like very you know, uh hoity toity at like Louis Vuitton,
baggage and uh. And he thought he could watch his
iPad like he's a little kid with no headphones on.
So I actually had a spare, had the wired set
in my bag, and I said, here you go, here's
(49:54):
a wired set of headphones. And he kind of stared
me down for a second and realized, like, so, now,
what's your excuse?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
So he put them on. Now I have to watch
them though.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
That is really really so he gave him back to
you at the end of the day. He did trip.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
He rolled them up, rolled them up nicely, and gave
them back to me at the end. So now this
is my new move.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I'm going to carry an extra set of headphones in
public places and offer headphones to people who are on
the side of barbarism and think that we want to
hear your cell phone conversation or your iPad noises or
whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
This is funny because on my flight up to Michigan
with the Travis Boys, my oldest son wanted to watch
Trump's address about the bombing of Iran, did not have
wireless phones or his or a plug to put in,
and my wife, who was in the row in front
(50:45):
of us, turned around and complained about our oldest son
making too much noise while he was watching Trump's address.
So she would have certainly appreciated if you had had
an extra pair of headphones for my son. All right,
that Jamal Bowman claiming that he's this also always reminds
me what there are people who behave awfully towards famous people.
(51:11):
But the idea that the Jsse Smallett this is Maga country.
The number of Trump voters who knew who use Smallett
is or was in that era was zero. I mean,
there was nobody watching what was the show Empire. The
number of Trump voters watching Empire frequently enough that they
knew who Jusse Smallett was that they would feel compelled
(51:35):
to not only know who he was, but know his
politics and taunt him in Chicago at two am. So
one of the craziest stories.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
On a freezing called winter night, to lie in wait
with the deuse, Yes, and some kind of thing to
spray on him because you're that angry about Jesse Smollette,
who nobody who voted for Trump had any idea whom
he was.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yes, yeah, that would be. That was a strange one,
and you would.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Think that the media might have actually questioned some of that,
particularly because our good friend Jake Tapper wants all of
you to know what the role of the media really is.
So you got to see an in jabal bowman saying
he's getting taunted because of who he is. Here is
Jake Tapper lecturing everyone about what it is. The job
(52:20):
of the media really is, asking questions.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Is literally our job, demanding facts and answers instead of
just taking a president's word for it. No, that's actually
that is That's actually not their job, though. Is This
is where I have a really I have a big
bone to pick with all these people who call themselves journalists.
We have seen what their job is, depending on where
they work. The job of a CNN employee is to
(52:47):
tell Democrats in the audience what they want to hear
and to hurt Republicans in terms of public perception in
every way that they can. That is the job. That's
actually the job. If you don't do that, you will
be fired. So that what the job is this, it's
to ask questions and get the truth to the people.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
That is a lie that is meant.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
To cover for the actual job, which is to tell
Democrats what they want to hear and attack Republicans in every.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Way you can. What do you think. Let's pretend that
suddenly you or I were in charge of CNN and
they said, hey, we've been listening to your radio show.
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
They should do it as we would shake that place up.
It'd be amazing. Okay, so is it salvageable? Like, let
me just give you a hypothetical.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
If Meghan Kelly, who obviously had a very successful show on.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Fox News, look at you, look at you always given Mammy.
Look Meghan's great. She was always great to me in
my career at everything else. But she's always number one
on your list for who's gonna I think.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
She's the smartest, most talented person in digital space that
I don't work with. Does that make sense? So? Wow?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Who would you put top of this and send this
to Meghan.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Well, I think she is. I think she asks really
smart questions. I think she gets to the heart of
issues if I were running so But the question here is,
let's pretend that I am running CNN and I say, hey,
I want to change. We kind of get away from
the Jake Tapper world. We can't have this stenographer for
the Democrat powerful anymore. We're going to shake things up.
(54:23):
Could Megan Kelly, who I think I'm just telling you,
I think is the most talented independent voice in media today?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
All right, all right, I mean I think Megan's great too,
But yes, okay, could she be alone?
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Would she be able to produce an audience? Or CNN's
brand so broken that even if you put somebody who's
good at television and good at doing a show, people
wouldn't respond to it because their brand is broken. In
other words, how salvageable do you think it is? Right?
Speaker 2 (54:50):
You would have to accept that during the change process
from being a Democrat propaganda outlet, you would lose a
lot of audience and then have to rebuild audience. Yeah,
the audience of CNN right now does not want anything
(55:11):
to be told to them that is outside of what
the DNC would approve and send themselves. They don't want
to hear it, and so you would have to accept
that there'd be that painful ratings transition period and then
I think you could build into something else. But that's
you know, that's a risk that executives at these places
(55:32):
are very rarely willing to take any risks.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
I think CNN's brand is in terminal decline.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
I think CNN will exist in kind of the way
that ABC News in some of these places. Yeah, sure
they'll have some audience, but a shadow of their former.
Now ABC News still has a pretty big TV audience,
but it's a shadow of what it was twenty or
thirty or thirty years ago. So I think that that's
where I don't think CNN is going to be able
to turn this thing around.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
I know, to look at it, surely from a business
market perspective. If Fox News has around seventy percent of
the news audience on cable, and it does, and it's
got an incredibly loyal brand, what is CNN's angle Because
that leaves thirty percent. MSNBC, whatever you think about them,
(56:20):
has the left wing angle covered. Why would you not
go after some of the seventy. This is why.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
And I was there and observe this when it happens. CNN,
under Jeff Zucker's leadership, if you can call it, that
ignominiously ended in scandal. CNN decided to become MSNBC with
different letters, anti trump Ism, completely crazy, treat all the
(56:47):
actual conservatives who would have come on your air like trash.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
This is what they did. And so that space that
they were at least.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Theoretically occupying of somewhere in betwe between Fox and MSNBC,
that just became untenable. They were just another version there
were MSNBC with less honesty, and that is not a
tenable brand. That that's not a place where you can
really be.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
And so that's what ended up happening to them. But
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
I mean, if you had told me, if you had
told me when the tea Party was getting their thing going,
don't worry one day. Not only will Trump call CNN
fake news to their faces, but he'll essentially destroy the
death star of propaganda that is CNN.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
I would have said that sounds amazing, And we're pretty
much there, oh, totally. And again they only have about
ten or fifteen percent of the overall news marketplace, and
you know what it really comes through. It used to
be when big news happened, people would turn on CNN
because they trusted them to get big news. I still
(57:52):
think about CNN back in the day a Bernard Shaw
and the scud stud whatever that guy's name was, during
the First Gulf War, when that really made CNN's brand
as somebody that could you could trust. Now they don't
even get turned on when big news happens. Fox News
I think had four point nine million viewers when they
Iran attacks happened. Nobody else was even close to them.
(58:15):
And it just feels like CNN is in a terminal decline.
And I wonder at this point if there's anything they
could do to change the trajectory that they're on. And
I don't know that they could, but I would be
trying to undertake radical change I think if I were
in charge of CNN. Yeah, I mean it would have
to be.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
You know, when you're doing a you're doing some housing
construction stuff, but when you're doing a renovation and people
say I'm going to tear it down to the studs,
CNN really needs to be torn down to the studs.
You need to get all the way, you know, get
all the way into the dry wall and really pull
things apart in there to rebuild.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
You can't just do a little code of paint and
call it a day. That's totally what's, by the way,
happening with the intelligence agencies right now too. We'll see
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you rolling with us as
we are diving into the biggest stories of the day
and beyond probably, but also it's going to have a
(00:20):
lot of fun with you as we break down everything
going on in the larger universe. And right off the
top here, we had a big conversation about this yesterday,
the fact that there was a leak to CNN and
The New York Times that suggested the attack on Saturday
evening here in the United States on Tehran was not
(00:43):
actually effective, and that has been pushed back on aggressively.
And it started really early this morning at eight am Eastern,
when Pete Hegseth came out and just went to town
on the press and the reporting surrounded this. Now, I
want to play some of these cuts because it was
a pretty intense press conference, but I'll start with a
(01:06):
conversation that we had yesterday, which was about the challenge
the difficulty of finding out who leaked this information, particularly
as it appears that it may well not have been accurate.
So Buck, you worked in the intelligence community when you
saw this report was leaked, did you think initially, hey,
(01:30):
this is kind of unheard of. Did it totally seem
maybe not a positive thing, but not an unexpected thing.
And I know we talked about this some yesterday, but
what are the difficulties that would be inherent in figuring
out who actually leaked to this because it is certainly
classified information.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, the fact that somebody would take this to the
press so early on in the process and that it
was already known to be a low confidence assessment just
means somebody wanted to blunt the narrative of Trump is
just kicking ass and making excellent decisions as commander in chief.
And this war those who said, it's not even a war,
(02:13):
it's a military strike, okay, you know, think of all
the countries that we have had military operations in that
we would not consider ourselves to be at war or
in the midst of a war.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But Clay, this was meant.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
To have a political ramification, because if you wanted this
to have US national security in mind, if you wanted
to be somebody said, hey, guys, hey, I'm worried about
the reactors. I'm worried that there could still be a
lot more here. We didn't get enough. What you would
want is to wait until you pull together all of
(02:47):
the best sources, get it rock solid, and then work
its way up the chain through the CIA director or
the DiiA director in this case, and then at that
point you know you would have done your due diligence.
This wasn't a due diligence moment. This was somebody who
decided I'm going to be the one who reigns on
(03:08):
Trump's parade. Here, this was an individual. This was a
deep stater. This is someone who did not have the
interests of the United States in mind, but the interests
of a very bitter and weak and feckless looking Democrat
machine in mind, and hope to take away some of
the sense of a bulliance and some of the congratulations
(03:31):
that have been going around, not just for Trump's decision,
but for the men and women who flew the airstrikes themselves,
for the Pentagon pulling this off, the intelligence community for
having these sites mapped out play.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's a big win. But this would to me, this
is a bit like saying.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Somebody from within the intelligence community after the bin laden
raid is raising concerns that there was really, you know,
no document exploitation that came out of that raid, or
maybe that we didn't even get bin laden.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So why would you do that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You would only do that if you were trying to
hurt Now, of course that didn't happen because somehow our
team doesn't do those kinds of leaks. That's always a Democrat,
left wing thing when there's a leak of classified to
hurt a commander in chief.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But that's what this was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's very clear there's no way that this person could
have had the level of visibility necessary to with a
Remember it's a low confidence assessment.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Clay I was.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
In the room many times with people from d IA, CIA, NSA,
go down the list all of them, and there were
squabbling over who's right about very important and we were
at war, right, we were in the midst of a war,
and you know things like, hey, could a surge in
Baghdad work to stabilize things? Let me tell you something,
(04:45):
a lot of fighting and dissenting voices over that. The
notion that one person has the keys to the kingdom
on the damage assessment is absurd. It's just a political hit,
and that's why they should go after the leaker.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
All right, so let me play some of these cuts.
This was from the Pentagon earlier today. Secretary of Defense
Pete Hutt Hegseth. I do give a lot of credit.
We've talked about this on the program. They made everybody
get there early eight am Eastern time start for this
to dominate the news cycle for the day. Here's hegseet
(05:20):
blasting the press in particular for these leaks. This is
cut too.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Because you, and I mean specifically you, the press, specifically
you the press corps, because you cheer against Trump so hard.
It's like in your DNA and in your blood to
cheer against Trump because you want him not to.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Be successful so bad.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You have to cheer against the efficacy of these strikes.
You have to hope maybe they weren't effective, Maybe the
way the Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Administration is representative isn't true. So let's take half truths.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Spun information, leaked information, and then spin it, spin it
in every way we can to try to cause doubt
and manipulate the mind, the public mind over whether or
not our brave pilots were successful.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How many stories have.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Been written about how hard it is to I don't
know fly a plane for thirty six hours.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Has MSNBC done.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That story as Fox? Have we done the story how
hard that is? Have we done it two or three
times so that American people understand, How about how difficult
it is to shoot a drone from an F fifteen
or sixteen or F twenty two or F thirty five,
or what it's like to man a Patriot battery, or
how hard it is to refuel mid air. Giving the
American people an understanding of how complex and sophisticated this
(06:40):
mission really was. There are so many aspects of what
our brave men and women did that because of the
hatred of this press, corps are undermined because your people
are trying to leak and spin that it wasn't successful.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's your responders. Okay, so that's one. Let's continue. This
sounds a little bit like Fox and Friends or a
hit that Pete Hegseth is doing on Fox News. And
it's one reason I think that Trump wanted him in
this position because he is a very talented communicator, and
that matters in this world where you are really having
(07:17):
to lace on the gloves and go head to head
with the press every single day. Here's cut three more
on Hegseth saying, the classified information, as you said, Buck,
is leaked to try and harm Trump cut three time
and time again.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Classified information is leaked or pedled for political purposes, to
try to make the president look bad. And what's really
happening is you're undermining the success of incredible B two
pilots and incredible F thirty five pilots, and incredible refuelers
and incredible air defenders who accomplish their mission set back
a nuclear program in ways that other presidents would have dreamed.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
How about we celebrate that.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
How about we talked about how special America is that
we only we have these capabilities.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think it's too much to ask.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Unfortunately for the fake news, so we're used.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
To that, but we also have an opportunity to stand
at the podium and read the truth of what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And the reality is.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
You want to call it destroyed, you want to call
it defeated, you want to call it obliterated.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Choose your word.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
This was an historically successful attack and we should celebrate
as Americans, and it gives us a chance to have peace,
chance to have a deal, and an opportunity to prevent
a nuclear Iran, which is something President Trump talked about
for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean guns blazing here. I don't think we mentioned
the New York Times getting upset about the fact that
heg Seth praised our boys, and so he was actually asked,
we have this cut. And I couldn't believe he was
actually asked, why not acknowledge female pilots that participated instead
(08:53):
of congratulating the boys?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
This is cut for why not acknowledge the female pilots
that also participated in this mission. The early messages that
you sent out only congratulated the boys. So when I
say something like our boys and bombers, see, this is
the kind of thing the press does.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Of course, the chairman mentioned a female bomber pilot. That's fantastic.
She's fantastic, She's a hero. I want more female bomber pilots.
I hope the men and women of our country sign
up to do such brave and audacious things.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But when you spin it as because I say our
boys and.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Bombers is a common phrase, I'll keep saying things like that,
whether they're men or women. Very proud of that female pilot,
just like I'm very proud of those male pilots, and
I don't care if it's a male or a female
in that cockpit, and the American people don't care. But
it's the obsession with race and gender in this department
that's changed priorities.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And we don't do that anymore. We don't play your
little games. I love this. I mean, I can't believe
that's a real question he got to ask. But it's
good that we see that.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
This is what the press still pretends is their job
right is to push They're just asking questions. We'll get
to Jake Tapper's latest on that. Really they're always pushing
an agenda. No one thinks that Pete Hegseth was undermining
any woman who This is a bit like saying, hey,
when you when you were talking, you said, hey, you guys,
great job. Why didn't you say you guys and girls?
(10:10):
I mean, it's absurd, it's it's childish, it's it's focused
on nothing. But I also think that what the shows
you play is in these you know, the media, the
non Fox media and the Democrat media, the non aligned
leftist media. They have been making a lot of jokes
about how Fox News essentially has staffed this Trump administration.
(10:33):
And what's interesting is, yeah, guess what. Now You've got
people who are both qualified to do the job, people
like Dan Bongino and and Hegseeth and others who are
also really good at media and comms themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yes, and so if you think back to.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Other times, we've had people who are running, you know,
Department of Defense, We've had people who were in these
kinds of cabinet level position, Secretary of Say, look look
at Secretary of Say Rubio. I mean that guy might
as well have been a Fox contributor for the last decade.
He's been on Fox, you know, as much as anybody.
They're good at this, and so the ability that the
media has to attack them, trip them up, undermine them,
(11:11):
and then focus on that instead of what's actually happening
is vastly diminished. I mean it's almost non existent at
this point.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Can you imagine being a Pentagon News reporter and we
just had the strike that we did on Iran and
you get a limited amount of time to ask questions
and a limited amount of things that you can even
ask about because they're only going to be whatever it is.
Five six seven people called on that. That would be
the thing that you went in as a Pentagon reporter
(11:41):
to focus on was the fact that one female was
there and said when the when he said the boys
in the planes or whatever the heck used to be,
that that would be your focus. It even is stunning
to me.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Still this all makes sense, though, because their job. If
you work for the Washington Post and you're in the
Pentagon briefing room, or work for the New York Times
and you're in the White House, the only way you're
going to get any attention and that your readership, which
is hyper partisan, is going to like your reporting is
if you manage to attack successfully, get them to stumble,
(12:16):
get to pull some sound bite.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They don't actually care about the information.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
They don't They're not there to ask relevant, reasonable questions
and get back objective data for the American people. They
are there to be partisan attack dogs, and so if
they don't do that, they're not actually serving the purposes
of their paper.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I get the part as an attack dog thing, but
to think that your audience is obsessed because he used
the word boys and did you see.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Who asked that question? Did you see who asked that question?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
She's been wagging her finger at people for saying you
guys for the last twenty years, I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I just I can't believe that that is real. And
by the way, the New York Times got savaged in
their live chat because they had a male reporter who said,
in real time, Hey, well, actually you know there was
a girl. First of all, when the idea that boys
and girls or guys or we all understand the concept,
(13:23):
I mean, I imagine it comes from the boys in the
bombers is also a phrase boys in the boat, which
was one of the best selling books, A great book
by the way, But is there are there any women
that were actually offended by that? I just the fact
that that would be a question that's asked of the
Secretary of Defense in a limited public availability situation where
(13:46):
he doesn't answer a lot of questions, is actually even
for left wing media, I think a huge embarrassment for them.
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Mamadanni Mania sweeping the Democrats all across this land of ours,
and uh, we all know from yesterday that this guy,
Zoran Mamadani is the Democrat nominee for the mayor of
New York City. Now that's not a done deal. There
(15:52):
are some long bomb in the end zone hopes that
maybe Eric Adams could pull this off, or maybe there's
some Cuomo deal, although I think Cuomo now is just
considered a loser right the comeback play, the comeback has
(16:13):
not worked out the way that Cuomo wanted these. The
spaghetti and meat balls was not as good as he
was hoping for. It's because it was a.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Total whiff by me, Buck, I mean, I really thought
that they had rolled out the red carpet for him.
I thought he was going to win the mayoral race
and would then use it as the jumping off point
to be a candidate in twenty twenty eight. Instead, I
think his political career is over. I think I think
he gave up the political ghosts, so to speak, in
that loss and the way that he lost.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So now here here's again, I have to I bring
this to.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Your attention because so go with New York City, so
go with a lot of other Democrat cities. I think
this is going to be viewed. So if you live
in Texas and you're like, well, that's New York's problem. Yeah,
but you know he's live in a city like Houston
or Dallas, which is Democrat majority.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Unfortunately, this might affect you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You know, obviously, if you live in California, you're in
a Democrat enclave statewide. You know, there's a lot of stuff,
a lot of stuff that that will filter out from this.
And I think it's an interesting test case because you
already have national level them. You had Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton,
I don't even know he was on Twitter. He was like, hey, here,
you're a socialist. You love those pretty ladies. I lock
(17:29):
pretty ladies too. We should talk, you know. Bill Clinton
all of a sudden giving his congratulations Komaney himself, just kidding.
Komane didn't congratulate him, but it would have been funny
if he had. Komatie did say that they've won the
war though, that is I do have that one here.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
We'll get to that later.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Bill Clinton, congratulations to Zorn on your victory, wishing you success.
Well yeah, yeah, nothing really interesting there. But Bill Clinton
weighed in AOC and Bernie there's really there's really a
decision that's being made with AOC within the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
There's the AOC.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Bernie pathway, and then there's the you know, somebody who's
the Democrat in charge of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
What's that guy? I'm forgetting blanket. You know, there's like
the Basheer.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Or the governor of Maryland or the you know, there's
that Like, I'm a Democrat, but I'm not like one
of those crazy Democrats. They'll do whatever Chuck Schumer and
Nancy Pelosi tell them, but they pretend.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Not to be right.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Right now, you've just had a big win go up
on the board for the crazy AOC wing of the
Democrat Party. And I understand you might say, Buck, they'll
never be able to win a national election. Kamala lost
by in the.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Electoral college, which is what matters.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
A couple of hundred thousand votes really right, meaning I
understand she lost by a lot more she lost the
popular vote. I'm not taking away from Trump's enormous victory.
It was fantastic, but if you were able to shift
a couple of hundred thousand votes in half a dozen states,
really less than the half dozen states would have been president.
So don't let's not get complacent about the fact that
(19:04):
the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime is somebody who
wasn't that far. It was not like a you know, Mondale,
absolute thrashing. Okay, this was something that was closer than
it should have been. Now let's just just because of why,
I don't want you to think, oh, this is just
New York City's problem. This is that's like saying Soros
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prosecutors were New York's problem. Oh wait, hold on a second.
They were in every major city in the country for
a while. There were Soros prosecutors in Saint Louis and
and in Philly, and in la and the let you
now you get it on the list right Chicago. Soros
money all over the country. So you have to watch
these trends. Clay, let's get into some of the crazy
(19:48):
stuff here. Socialist democrat Zoran Mamdani. Something that he says
he wants to do this is cut nine. This guy
says he wants to eight hundred percent in tree hate
crime prevention play this.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I know that Jewish New Yorkers, like Jewish Americans, are
fearful in this moment of antisemitism. And ultimately, it's through
the conversations I've had with Jewish New Yorkers that I
have developed a proposal for the Department of Community Safety
that would include an eight hundred percent increase in funding
for hate crime prevention programs. Because ultimately, we cannot simply
(20:25):
say that anti Semitism has no home in this city
or no place in this country. We have to do
more than talk about it. We have to tackle it.
And that's what we will do. Through this funding and
through this commitment, we will root out bigotry across the
five boroughs.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Let me just throw this out there, Clay.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
This is going to absolutely not work at all to
stop any bigotry, but it will be a way to
fund left wing and doctrination programs in community centers, schools
and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, and look, I think what you're saying is so
important because a lot of people think, oh, New York City,
that doesn't really impact to my life in a substantial way.
I think who with the mayor of New York City
is impacts all of our lives, even if you live
in the smallest town in Alabama or the most remote
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part of Utah. The decisions made in New York City,
given its primacy as the financial capital of the world,
have a major residence, and the idea that New York
City is going to potentially elect a guy like Mom
Donnie should be a clarion call for sanity to ring forth.
(21:34):
And I think maybe some of these parents that are
subsidizing all their kids to live in New York City.
Producer Ali made a good point yesterday, But I do
think it's true that a lot of Mom Donnie's voters
are young under thirties, who otherwise wouldn't be living in
New York City but for the fact that their parents
are helping to pay their rent and they have decided
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they like socialism. The parents like capital because that's how
they can afford to take care of their kids. But
I do think that there's a generational divide here, and
I think as you break all of this down, Unfortunately, look,
I don't know that the Democrat Party, this is a
(22:18):
good question for you, buck is still in a powerful
enough position that they would be able to knock out
a Bernie Sanders candidacy now that they would be able
to knock out an AOC candidacy. Now, I think the
party is so fractured and so broken, and you might say, okay,
well that's good. The problem is they could win. I
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don't think it's a crazy idea that Bernie Sanders could
if he weren't eighty three or eighty four or whatever
the heck he is, that he could catch fire, someone
like him could catch fire and end up as the president.
I don't think it's a crazy, ridiculous idea. I'm gonna
tell you something.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I watched a lot of these Mom Donnie videos and
the guy is the guy is very slick. He understands
social media. He comes across as just objectively, he comes
across as affable and pretty humble and a guy who
just wants to talk to people. He did this whole
(23:19):
video it's now gone pretty viral play where he goes
around talking to like you know, if people call him
like halal carts, like the meat, meat and rice carts
that are in New York City, asking them like why
is it so expensive? Like why is it ten or
twelve dollars? Now for this wouldn't couldn't be less. And
he has these guys he goes right in and they're saying, Oh,
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it's because of city permitting. The city permitting process is
corrupt and takes too long and it's too expensive. And
he goes, oh, we're going to fix that. You know,
say what you will about the fact that he was,
you know, freezing. There's a whole bill Ackman has a
whole takedown to this guy. Freezing rent prices is just
going to make the housing shortage worse course, because.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It means that, you know, there are expenses that are already.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Baked in and people have to build more, and they
don't want to build more if they can't actually charge
the market rate anyway. So here he's an economic illiterate,
but he understands Mom, Donnie understands story, and he understands
social media and how to connect with an audience. I
you know, don't don't sleep on this guy. Everybody, you know,
we have this thing, you know, and I know we've
(24:24):
done this with AOC two. Oh you know she's this
guy doesn't strike me as dumb. Wrong, yes, dumb. No,
he doesn't strike me as dumb. And you know, horrible
ideas certainly. But this is the other you know, the
option that Democrats have is not is to say we're
not going to go towards the center and try to
reform our crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We're gonna double down on crazy. We're just gonna package
it better.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh I think AOC sees this and says I'm running
for president now in twenty twenty eight. Absolutely, I've said
that's all along.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You asked me right after this election, who's going to
be the leader Democrat Party as well? He AOC at
one point, and then I've also mentioned Wes Moore, the
governor of Maryland.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But those are the pathways.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
There's the AOC hard left socialist, just say the stuff
that you want to say as and then there's.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
The oh I'm not like them, I'm more normal.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And then you get the AOC policies. But you get
somebody who pretends to be something else during the election cycle.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That's the way sure approach. The Democrat Party has the
ability to slap down someone like Bernie Sanders if he
were running today, which if I'm looking at AOC, I'm saying,
mom Donnie just ran through. What did mom Donnie do? Well?
He's pretty good on social media you may think, and
I certainly think that AOC is economically illiterate and a moron.
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There's a huge audience for what she puts out on
social media, and she's skilled at that. Now I don't
I hope that her overall policies are so crazy and
she would do such a poor job even of defending
those policies that she not be capable of winning an election.
But I think you're starting to see that the Democrat
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Party had two pathways. They could wake up and be
somewhat more sane, or at least pretend to be more
sane and take the more moderate path as they move
towards twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, or they
could double triple and quadruple down on crazy. And it
seems to me that the early returns, based on what
(26:27):
we saw in New York City, are that they're going
to double triple, quadruple down on crazy. And you know,
now we're in a situation where Eric Adams is the
savior of New York City, and that's only if they
can get Cuomo to officially drop out, if they can
find a way to kind of corral this strange coalition
(26:47):
that potentially he would be able to bring to bear,
and that would require black voters interestingly deciding that they
had to show up in a monster number for Eric
Adams in order to offset a lot of these young
white voters that have fallen in love with socialism.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So you've got Mamdannie talking about the eight hundred percent
increase in the anti bigotry forces, not police, like, I
don't know what they're going to be bigotry prevention programs. Also,
as we know in New York, talking about if you're
talking about anti Semitic or anti Asian bigotry, yeah, probably
(27:27):
not gonna if you're a leftist, you're not going to
like the demographics that are disproportionately targeting those groups. This
is just a matter of fact, a matter of numbers
and data. But put that aside for a moment. Here
is really at the heart of it, Mamdani saying that
our criminal justice system, this is cut eight, is just
straight up racist.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
The alternatives are things that we must look to immediately,
both with regards to you neighborhood groups who do anti
violence work and are shown to be more effective than
the police, but also asking you know, if we have
an understanding that our criminal justice system is racist, which
is a quite a general understanding now it seems to
(28:07):
be shared by many, many people. And how can we
simultaneously be investing in it as the way we both
judge and determine the futures of so many people in
our state.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now that was twenty twenty, granted, but the criminal justice
system in this country is actually not racist.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It is not racist.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I know that this is something Democrats love to say.
But the laws are the laws, and we.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have talked about this before, and to me, the way
that this gets destroyed is if you just push back
anybody who says this, just nod and say super sexist too.
Why are men charged with crime?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Men do really unfair those murdered laws. Men do all
the murders.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
This is my favorite argument, Clay. We've been making it
here for a long time because they don't know what
to say, because they have to admit, Yeah, men commit
more murders. We just threw sorry, guys, we're the ones
who kill people. Does that mean we should change the
murder laws? Does that mean that murder laws are sexist?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It does not.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's pretty strong argument.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
It's a good one to use on your kids or
grandkids if they bring that home with you sometime instead
of immediately combating them there say, you know what, I've
been thinking about this a lot. Why are men in
prison at such higher rates than women? I think maybe
we need to go back and look at all of
our laws. They're very sexist, and see how your kids respond.
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leaks surrounding the Iran operation. We have been talking about
(30:48):
the big decision that New York City is going to have.
What do you think Cuomo does? I was totally wrong.
I thought I did think he would run for mayor.
I look like a genius. Told I can put this
one in the forget file. Clay, Okay, you've made some great.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Calls, this one. This one didn't quite work out as
we thought, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
What's the best Let's pretend that you were giving advice
to Andrew Cuomo. Is it to now get behind mom
Donnie and just kind of step off to the side,
or is it to try to run as an independent
and maybe have a secret deal behind the scenes. Because
(31:28):
if he runs as an independent and Eric Adams runs,
then Mom Donnie's definitely gonna win because they will split
the Mom Donnie opposition vote.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I think he's a two time loser, and that means
the best thing that he can do is to get
an agent and find his way onto an episode of
Law and Order where he plays a probably elderly mobster
or something along those lines, maybe a corrupt politician. I
do not think that he has a future in New
(31:59):
York politics anymore after this. I don't see it, because
you know, you can't win the no, He'll just be
playing spoiler at that point. If I'm a New Yorker
and I'm New York adjacent in my heart, right, I mean,
if I'm a New Yorker still though voting. You know,
I talk to my family about this all the time,
and I want what's best for New York. Not just
for all of our fantastic wo R listeners and podcast
(32:20):
listeners in the New York area. We want the best
for all of you, but also my own family is there.
So when when we talk about safe streets in New York,
I'm thinking about my mom, my dad, my sister, and
I'm thinking about people who I love and mean a
lot to me. So that means that I want what's best.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
In what way is Andrew Cuomo an improvement over Eric Adams?
I have to say I don't think he is. And
so that's where the problem. You've got a guy who's
already mayor, already in the job. Not horrible, Okay, he's
not good, you know, I think Eric Adams And let
me know w O R listeners if you want, if
(33:00):
you think this is a fair grade. I think he's
a you know, if the Blasio was an F, I
think Mayor Eric Adams is probably a C minus maybe
a C. You know, I think that's that's a fair
you know, he's not intentionally maliciously destroying New York.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
He's just not a very good manager. Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
He was good on the issue. Let's take a few things.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
He tried to help on the crime issue. Brought in
somebody good here with Jesse Tish to run the NYPED
as commissioner. He spoke out in a way that I
think was really important for the Trump campaign. Actually he
didn't speak on behalf of them, but when he said
guys were flooded with all these migrants, this is crazy.
He was honest about that. And said he didn't want anymore.
So he did do some things that are there's nothing
(33:44):
I can do. Blasio did nothing that is good. Everything
to Blasio did was in my in my mind, every
decision he made was against the interest of New Yorkers.
And we can just forget about him. But you know,
didn't he run for president? By the way, didn't he
run for president?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
For a second?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he did, wasn't he One of those guys
was like, I'm also on this stage.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Everyone was like, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So Clay, I think that Eric Adams is the non
mom downy hope of New York now.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And is that enough?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And people who are gonna tell me, Buck, you can
get behind Curtis Sliewell, you can get behind Curtis Sliewill.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Obviously I agree with Curtis. I like Curtis.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
We've had him on the show several times. You've had
him on the show. You know he's it's an eighty
twenty democrat city guys, It's just not gonna happen. It's
just not gonna happen. I wish you know that that
wasn't the case. But you just had the most radical
leftist win the Democrat primary. You're not about to win
over a lot of Democrats to be a Republican. That's
(34:38):
not gonna happen to vote for a Republican.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
A part of me wonders whether there might be such
a panic setting in among the Wall Street universe that
somebody with hundreds of millions of dollars a lah of Bloomberg.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well Ackman is by saying he's gonna spend huge money
Bill Ackman, who's kind of happy.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
To get him. We need to get him on the
show because I think that would be an interesting conversation.
But he has been tweeting that there are people out
there that he thinks he could help to persuade. The
challenge is, whoever is opposed to Mom Donnie, everybody else
has to drop out, and there has to be one
focal point of, Hey, this is the guy or the gal,
(35:21):
as the case may be, who is going to go
head to head against Mom Donnie, and everybody has to
get behind this person. My concern is, I think Cuomo's
ego is involved here. Now, Eric Adams, I don't think
there's any way he's going to drop out, And then
Curtis Sliwa, you start getting all these different groups, and
(35:43):
it's hard to get to fifty percent plus one when
you've got bes many different splintered individuals running. De Blasio's
presidential campaign, by the way, good research by Ali. He
ran from May sixteenth, twenty nineteen to September twentyth, twenty nineteen,
spent one point four million dollars, and everybody just kind
(36:06):
of laughed him out of the arena, because even New
Yorkers were like, this is one of the craziest things
we've ever seen that a guy who's this didn't the
guy this unpopular would decide to run? Did it? Build?
The Blasio make news most recently Buck, because he and
his wife announced that they were going to basically have
an open marriage. Am I wrong about this?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think I know this and tried to forget it
because I don't really need to know this stuff. But
I believe there's something like that that has occurred.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, they made a public statement that they were staying married,
but they were going to be with other people. I mean,
what a ridiculous guy that dude was the fact that
he could get elected actually makes me terrified because Mom, Donnie,
to your point, Buck is actually a super articulate smart,
(36:56):
charismatic guy who's just wrong about everything, but he's not
an unlikable person, if that makes sense. He's wrong about everything,
but not unlikable, and also smart and savvy when it
comes to trying to understand how to make arguments on
social media. Yes, I think that he's more formidable than
(37:17):
a lot of people looking from the outside are are
assessing right now.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And that's something to keep in mind as we go forward.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So look, I'm totally I hope I'm wrong on this one,
and I hope that this is something that you know
that does not come to pass. But here is, let
me see, We've got Tom Homan laying down the law. Here.
You know, there's this whole separation of powers thing, and
(37:47):
here is Tom Holman saying, look, you can't kick ice
out of New York, buddy. It's called federal law play sixteen.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
He's vowed to kick the quote fascist ice out of
New York City. Okay, So how do you intend to
deal with that? Because I would guess there's gonna be
a lot of criminals and Iranian seals and whatnot in
New York City.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
The job's not done there. What do you say to
this guy.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
Good luck for that douggle law trumps him every every
every every day, every hour, every minute. We're gonna be
in New York City. Matter of fact, because there's a
sanctuary city. President Trump made a clear week and a
half ago, we're going we're going double Downald triuple down
on sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
If we can't arrest the bad guy and accounted.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
You know, one agent rest and one bad guy, they
released him in the streets like New York does every day.
We got to send whole team to look at this
this guy.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, that's gonna be a showdown that I don't think
it's gonna go well for Mam Donnie. By the way,
I don't think that he wants to be on the
other side of Tom Homan on the immigration issue because,
first of all, legally Holman's right, and second of all,
if there's anything that looks like a showdown, this Mam
Donnie guy is gonna shrink away from that fight very quickly.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm not sure anybody in the entire Trump team is
working harder right now than Tom Holman is. I mean,
if you look at.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That Pean Miller, I mean when we saw him, Steven
Miller looks like he looks like he lives on a
cot on.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
The White House floor right now. I mean he's going
through a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
There are a lot of guys who are working unbelievable
hours because they see this as the eighteen months when
Trump is able to be his most effective and efficient
version of himself. But the amount of media that is
out there that Tom Holman is doing on a day
to day basis and the amount of success that he
is having is frankly unparalleled. And I know we talk
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about this on this program and try to make sure
that we reference it often. I'm not sure in our
lives that there has ever been anything that government has
fixed faster and more effectively than the border under Trump
when you consider historic failure under Biden. And it was
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as if a light switch just got flipped or got
off whichever direction you want to go, and overnight everything
changed and it became flawless. And you know that's the
case because it suddenly isn't talked about anywhere, But my goodness,
this is the number one thing Trump said he would fix,
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and they don't want to give him any credit for it.
But Tom Holman and the team and Steven Miller is
a part of this too. They've just been unbelievable on
this front.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Also, want to bring this to your attention again because
I know, you know, we talk about this and it's like, oh,
we're so new York focused and bucks from New York.
And maybe that's why a lot of people are focused
in on this all over the country right now, because
it's a playbook that I think you're going to see
replicated elsewhere, and you could even see replicated in the
twenty twenty eight election cycle, which I know feels like
(40:44):
an eternity.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Away, but it's not. I'll be here before you know it.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
And socialist Mamdanni Kami Mamdani this is cut ten is saying, yeah,
what I did, this should be the playbook. This absolutely
will work in other cities in other states across America.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Play it. You're a proud Democratic socialist.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Do you think that is a platform that would work
for other candidates running in other parts of the country.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
I think ultimately this is a campaign about inequality, and
you don't have to live in the most expensive city
in the country to have experienced that inequality. Because it's
a national issue and what Americans coast to coast are
looking for are people who will fight for them. And
part of how we got to this point was through
the endorsements of Congressman Alexandria Ocasio Cortes and Senator Bernie Sanders,
(41:31):
who've been leading this fight against oligarchy across the country.
And I think that in focusing on working people and
their struggles, we also return back to what makes so
many of us proud to be Democrats in the first place.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Not shine away from it at all, Clay, I think
you will see more people try to play this. Remember
the whole thing about socialism is that all you have
to do you find as many people as possible who
are unhappy with some aspect of their day to day life,
and you tell them it's not your fault. There's nothing
that you can do to change this. Other people are
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the reason for this. I'm going to hurt those other people,
usually financially, sometimes more than that, but I'm going to
hurt those other people and take their stuff and give
it to you and make your problems go away. It's
very appealing. It works for a reason, and so we
have not seen the end of this. You know, on
the right, we yell socialism and act like it's some
(42:26):
kind of argument ender a lot of people, a lot
of you, especially gen X and gen Z. They love
their socialism. They don't know what it is, but sounds
good to them.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
The biggest flaw of capitalism is it provides the wealth
and luxury to think you don't need capitalism anymore. It's
just the lesson out there is you have to have
the freedom and the time and the wealth in order
to make these arguments. And I look at those Mom
Donnie celebration partners. Those aren't poor kids celebrating Mom Donnie winning,
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not people struggling to put food in their mouths. I
know who they are. I know who they are.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I used to socialize in New York with a lot
of people that would fall into the Mamdani category. M clay,
you know I often mentioned Naval Ravakan. Did you see this?
I just thought this was a perfect one liner on
this whole situation. He wrote, socialism is the suicide pact
of mediocrity. It is absolutely true, and that really gets
(43:27):
the psychology of it. If there are people that have
more than me, people work you know that are doing
more than me, people that are happier and enjoying more
than me.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I want a.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
System of power that will pull them down and promises.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
To pull me up.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And even if it doesn't pull me up, as long
as it pulls them down, I'll be happy.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
This is why I thought sports was such an important battleground,
because sports is the ultimate meritocracy. Best man or best
woman wins, and as soon as they can start to
create the idea that there's something wrong with that, or
that a boy can be a girl's champ and all
this other stuff, they destroy the underbelly of much of
success in the meritocracy in the country, which is embedded
(44:11):
in sports. You know, I made this argument something fun
for you guys to think about. Is there anything more
trusted in America today than the scoreboard? Think about that
for a minute, and where everybody sits around and argues
about everything the scoreboard in a game, if it's a
little bit off, everybody's standing up like that, Hey that
(44:32):
bucket was just made. Now. You may be upset with
officials every now and then, but I would argue that
the scoreboard might be the most trusted symbol in America today,
that we trust it to be able to tell us
who's winning and who's losing, and at the end, of
a game, everybody says, you know what that team won
or that team lost. Think about it for a minute.
I really think it might be number one. Look, I
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appreciate all of you bucks been down in Miami. I'm
sitting here in a jacket because it's only like sixty
five degrees today. But new affiliate that we have up
here in Traverse City, Michigan WTCM five eighty they've had
me all week. They have been fantastic couple of cuts
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that I want to play for you because I think
they kind of get at the failures that CNN in
general has been having. First of all, every evening they
just have sort of the Star Wars universe of crazy
left wing peddler arguments. And Jamal Bowman, who lost his
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Democrat primary and no longer has a job, was on
he is the guy who pulled the fire alarm and
was defeated in the New York City area district which
he was representing. Here he is saying, and I want
to get Buck's reaction to this, that he was confronted
on the street and heckled, and this is what he
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has to deal with on a regular basis. Listen, I
don't want to fight. I just want to chill. I
just want to know. I was in I was walking
down the street the other day.
Speaker 7 (47:40):
Some white dude, ballhead, he looked me, called me a
piece of in my face, said I'm gonna get what's
coming to me. Why not deal with that dog in
Yaker's New York can tell you I'm not making that up.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Do you buy it? Buck? Do you think Jamal Bowman?
Speaker 3 (47:56):
I think he's making it up. Yes, I think he's
making it up.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Jamal Bowman, I've seen bench three plates on each side.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
He's a big dude. H Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I mean so, I just I don't buy this story.
And it's one of these things you can never prove
or disprove.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't believe that somebody went up to him in Yonkers.
And you know, I'm just glad he didn't say that.
You know, the guy yelled like this is a maga
country or whatever like this just sounds fake to me.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I just don't buy very often big dudes being confronted
by probably small and if the guy who confronted Jamal
Bowman would have to be a heavyweight boxer or an
NFL defensive lineman to be appreciably bigger than Jamal Momen.
(48:41):
First of all, I don't think most people know who
Jamal Bowman is, and I don't mean that to be
to insult him. I just I don't think most people
in New York City have any idea who he is.
So the percentage of people that would hate him enough
to taunt him face to face and know him is
what like one of New York.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Also, the way he tells the story, did he did
he do something like rude to somebody and then they
responded because they're supposed to think? I guess that someone
came after him because he's Jamal Bowman. I don't know,
maybe he was. Maybe he was having a loud speakerphone
conversation or doing something that sets people off that made
you know, I gave somebody on my plane ride over
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to France Clay an extra set of headphones. Oh no,
Because I turned around, I said, I have a spare.
I have a spare.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
He was wise. It was a guy.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's a white guy in his fifties, okay, very well dressed,
like very you know, uh hoity toity at like Louis Vuitton,
baggage and uh. And he thought he could watch his
iPad like he's a little kid with no headphones on.
So I actually had a spare, had the wired set
in my bag, and I said, here you go, here's
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a wired set of headphones. And he kind of stared
me down for a second and realized, like, so, now,
what's your excuse?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
So he put them on. Now I have to watch
them though.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
That is really really so he gave him back to
you at the end of the day. He did trip.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
He rolled them up, rolled them up nicely, and gave
them back to me at the end. So now this
is my new move.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I'm going to carry an extra set of headphones in
public places and offer headphones to people who are on
the side of barbarism and think that we want to
hear your cell phone conversation or your iPad noises or
whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
This is funny because on my flight up to Michigan
with the Travis Boys, my oldest son wanted to watch
Trump's address about the bombing of Iran, did not have
wireless phones or his or a plug to put in,
and my wife, who was in the row in front
(50:45):
of us, turned around and complained about our oldest son
making too much noise while he was watching Trump's address.
So she would have certainly appreciated if you had had
an extra pair of headphones for my son. All right,
that Jamal Bowman claiming that he's this also always reminds
me what there are people who behave awfully towards famous people.
(51:11):
But the idea that the Jsse Smallett this is Maga country.
The number of Trump voters who knew who use Smallett
is or was in that era was zero. I mean,
there was nobody watching what was the show Empire. The
number of Trump voters watching Empire frequently enough that they
knew who Jusse Smallett was that they would feel compelled
(51:35):
to not only know who he was, but know his
politics and taunt him in Chicago at two am. So
one of the craziest stories.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
On a freezing called winter night, to lie in wait
with the deuse, Yes, and some kind of thing to
spray on him because you're that angry about Jesse Smollette,
who nobody who voted for Trump had any idea whom
he was.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yes, yeah, that would be. That was a strange one,
and you would.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Think that the media might have actually questioned some of that,
particularly because our good friend Jake Tapper wants all of
you to know what the role of the media really is.
So you got to see an in jabal bowman saying
he's getting taunted because of who he is. Here is
Jake Tapper lecturing everyone about what it is. The job
(52:20):
of the media really is, asking questions.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Is literally our job, demanding facts and answers instead of
just taking a president's word for it. No, that's actually
that is That's actually not their job, though. Is This
is where I have a really I have a big
bone to pick with all these people who call themselves journalists.
We have seen what their job is, depending on where
they work. The job of a CNN employee is to
(52:47):
tell Democrats in the audience what they want to hear
and to hurt Republicans in terms of public perception in
every way that they can. That is the job. That's
actually the job. If you don't do that, you will
be fired. So that what the job is this, it's
to ask questions and get the truth to the people.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
That is a lie that is meant.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
To cover for the actual job, which is to tell
Democrats what they want to hear and attack Republicans in every.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Way you can. What do you think. Let's pretend that
suddenly you or I were in charge of CNN and
they said, hey, we've been listening to your radio show.
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
They should do it as we would shake that place up.
It'd be amazing. Okay, so is it salvageable? Like, let
me just give you a hypothetical.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
If Meghan Kelly, who obviously had a very successful show on.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Fox News, look at you, look at you always given Mammy.
Look Meghan's great. She was always great to me in
my career at everything else. But she's always number one
on your list for who's gonna I think.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
She's the smartest, most talented person in digital space that
I don't work with. Does that make sense? So? Wow?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Who would you put top of this and send this
to Meghan.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Well, I think she is. I think she asks really
smart questions. I think she gets to the heart of
issues if I were running so But the question here is,
let's pretend that I am running CNN and I say, hey,
I want to change. We kind of get away from
the Jake Tapper world. We can't have this stenographer for
the Democrat powerful anymore. We're going to shake things up.
(54:23):
Could Megan Kelly, who I think I'm just telling you,
I think is the most talented independent voice in media today?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
All right, all right, I mean I think Megan's great too,
But yes, okay, could she be alone?
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Would she be able to produce an audience? Or CNN's
brand so broken that even if you put somebody who's
good at television and good at doing a show, people
wouldn't respond to it because their brand is broken. In
other words, how salvageable do you think it is? Right?
Speaker 2 (54:50):
You would have to accept that during the change process
from being a Democrat propaganda outlet, you would lose a
lot of audience and then have to rebuild audience. Yeah,
the audience of CNN right now does not want anything
(55:11):
to be told to them that is outside of what
the DNC would approve and send themselves. They don't want
to hear it, and so you would have to accept
that there'd be that painful ratings transition period and then
I think you could build into something else. But that's
you know, that's a risk that executives at these places
(55:32):
are very rarely willing to take any risks.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
I think CNN's brand is in terminal decline.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
I think CNN will exist in kind of the way
that ABC News in some of these places. Yeah, sure
they'll have some audience, but a shadow of their former.
Now ABC News still has a pretty big TV audience,
but it's a shadow of what it was twenty or
thirty or thirty years ago. So I think that that's
where I don't think CNN is going to be able
to turn this thing around.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
I know, to look at it, surely from a business
market perspective. If Fox News has around seventy percent of
the news audience on cable, and it does, and it's
got an incredibly loyal brand, what is CNN's angle Because
that leaves thirty percent. MSNBC, whatever you think about them,
(56:20):
has the left wing angle covered. Why would you not
go after some of the seventy. This is why.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
And I was there and observe this when it happens. CNN,
under Jeff Zucker's leadership, if you can call it, that
ignominiously ended in scandal. CNN decided to become MSNBC with
different letters, anti trump Ism, completely crazy, treat all the
(56:47):
actual conservatives who would have come on your air like trash.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
This is what they did. And so that space that
they were at least.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Theoretically occupying of somewhere in betwe between Fox and MSNBC,
that just became untenable. They were just another version there
were MSNBC with less honesty, and that is not a
tenable brand. That that's not a place where you can
really be.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
And so that's what ended up happening to them. But
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
I mean, if you had told me, if you had
told me when the tea Party was getting their thing going,
don't worry one day. Not only will Trump call CNN
fake news to their faces, but he'll essentially destroy the
death star of propaganda that is CNN.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
I would have said that sounds amazing, And we're pretty
much there, oh, totally. And again they only have about
ten or fifteen percent of the overall news marketplace, and
you know what it really comes through. It used to
be when big news happened, people would turn on CNN
because they trusted them to get big news. I still
(57:52):
think about CNN back in the day a Bernard Shaw
and the scud stud whatever that guy's name was, during
the First Gulf War, when that really made CNN's brand
as somebody that could you could trust. Now they don't
even get turned on when big news happens. Fox News
I think had four point nine million viewers when they
Iran attacks happened. Nobody else was even close to them.
(58:15):
And it just feels like CNN is in a terminal decline.
And I wonder at this point if there's anything they
could do to change the trajectory that they're on. And
I don't know that they could, but I would be
trying to undertake radical change I think if I were
in charge of CNN. Yeah, I mean it would have
to be.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
You know, when you're doing a you're doing some housing
construction stuff, but when you're doing a renovation and people
say I'm going to tear it down to the studs,
CNN really needs to be torn down to the studs.
You need to get all the way, you know, get
all the way into the dry wall and really pull
things apart in there to rebuild.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
You can't just do a little code of paint and
call it a day. That's totally what's, by the way,
happening with the intelligence agencies right now too. We'll see
how that's going. We are.
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