June 29, 2025 • 28 mins
Flute or fife? Fox’s Dana Perino tells us what she wishes someone had told her. Clay and Buck have new books coming out this winter!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I wanted to play this because I was one of
the people that probably went after her the most aggressively
on this, and it feels like Michelle Obama is still
trying to act like she wasn't a diva for refusing
to attend Jimmy Carter's funeral.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
She's been addressing it on her podcast that no one
is evidently listening to, and she made herself out to
be the victim for being unwilling to go to Jimmy
Carter's funeral and listen to this gobblygook from Michelle Obama,
who I would argue is probably the most overrated person
(00:56):
in all of America. This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yesterday, I argue that the.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Most overrated person in the world by Clay Travis. That's
gonna get Yes, she is the anti Patrick Swayzee. Patrick
Swayzee the most underrated nineteen eighties actor. For those of
you who were listening yesterday in the third hour of
the program, Michelle Obama the most overrated person in the world.
I find her to be very unlikable, and since she
has left office, I find her to be frankly insufferable.
(01:24):
Even have you ever read her Princeton thesis of you
would I have?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I have?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's that bad? Would? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Because remember thesis? You could go find my thesis. I'm
not saying it was very good, but you know it
was on like basically the Communists of taken over and
using speech codes. I told people mine it was the
burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. Remember the Civil War? Nerd for
my History Honors thesis yet.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But so what was harming? I want the video of you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
First of all, we know that out in the battlefield
doing the reenactments, you're playing the fife because it's the
closest thing to a flute.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Let's.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They had fif's in World War Two. Now I could
play the fife in the Revolutionary War. We're having all
the job they didn't do in the Civil War.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think they had moved on.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I think the technology was such that they had moved
on from the fight.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
On the sixties.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh man, I don't think people still play the fife now,
I don't think it's we have some Civil War reenactors.
What would wind instrument? Were they playing out in the
field in the Civil War or real? I think they
had real, uh fluial flutes by then. Well the food
has keys and stuff. I don't think you would take
(02:34):
that out. That's gonna be tough to clean. I think
they had them. I think they had the flute in
the in the Civil War. By the way, what about
the is it insanely brave or insanely dumb? Sometimes they overlap.
Can you imagine being the guy who was in the
military that didn't have done and just played while people
(02:54):
were shooting and shooting. I thought I thought about this before,
like to be the like the drummer boy and the
Revolution or something, and I'm like, I want a musket.
I want like a backup musket. I would not be
you know, holding the colors, holding the regimental colors was
also you know the flag bearers, like the flag guy,
because the flag guys they needed to know where I.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Flag guy. You're like walking around with a big target up.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In these Oh yeah, well, well I'm not saying I
would do it, but I'm saying, at least the flag
guy had to be super brave, Like, I can see
the use.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Why did they have the flute guy?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Like, why not just get the flute guy a gun
and play less instruments? Play You know the answer to this,
because when it comes to a battle, what gets you
as fired up as some groovy flute tunes?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I I think the flute. I think the flute was
in high power by the time we're talking like Battle
of Gettysburg.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think it's probably the peak of flute playing anywhere.
Like the flute guy in the flute.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Back in the day in the camp was the star
of the military camp in eighteen six.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What else are you gonna do? Well? Gambling?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A lot of gambling, I bet with cards, probably drinking cards.
I've heard rumors about moonshine being probably probably a little
bit of alcohol consumption. But in terms of sheer entertainment,
the preacher and the flute guy and the flute guy
was way less judgmental and made you think about dying less.
So I bet he was the most popular. So I
(04:28):
can turn us back from this digression.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That is my fault.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Some of our Civil War super nerds, you and Clay,
the secret society of Civil War super nerds that you
guys all belong to. Let us know what the instrument
situation was in that era, because we all think of
the breaches and the fife and the drums for the Revolution.
But were they just not playing music out in the
battlefield the same Maybe they just the rifles were accurate
(04:51):
and far enough at that point that you really didn't
have as much of the music out there. I don't know,
I don't know. I'm trying to think back now. According
to producer Alley, who's using chat GPT for and It's Worth,
flutes played an important role in communication and boosting morale
during the Civil War. They were used to signal daily
routines like waking up, marching, or going to bed, and also,
as I just said, provided entertainment. It's probably the peak
(05:13):
of the flute influence in American culture was right then
and there. And I mean so the flute player on
that battlefield was a badass who was responsible for morale
of everybody else. So the flute player was kind of
like the Rambo of his era. Let's be honest. I
hope the flute guy didn't have to be involved in
the full charge. I hope they were like, hey, flute guy,
you can stop, you know, six hundred yards from the
(05:35):
from the ramparts, because can you imagine the flute guy
just walking into cannons, Like, I mean, things got really
rough in the in the you know, I just finished
my Grant Turnow biography, right, and so I've kind of
gone through the Grant campaigns and obviously when it would
get hand to hand, somebody at some point probably got
beaten senseless by a flute. That actually happened.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
They had a tough way to go, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And by the way, if you had to pick somebody
to fight into hand, I think I'd picked the guy
with the flute.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You watch the if I'm there in the If I'm
there in the ramparts and the drummer with a saber
that I got over with the I'm going after flute guy. Yeah,
the drummers got like pretty strong forearms. I don't think
you go for the drummer. I think you go for.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Flute guy for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You imagine like when they're sitting around after the battle,
they're like, you know what happened to Timmy If flute
guy got.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Him was nasty to the head. Timmy got taken out
by the flute guy.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, the flute guy was tougher than we thought, like
just totally people making fun of his instrument, and he
he went berserker rage out there on the battlefield. It's
like it would be the Remember when Scarlett and Going
with the Wind she married the guy and then he
died of the disease before he got out to actually
fight in the battle. Do you remember that she really
liked spoiler alert Ashley uh uh no, sorry, she liked
(06:55):
rhtt Butler No, Ashley Wilkes, I can't remember. I'm getting
confined love trying. I'm putting something out there right now.
I have never seen Gone with the Wind, which is
really crazy. I know, the most successful movie of all time,
I think so. Yeah, if you add up like the
dollars for inflation and all that stuff, yes, can we
reverse to Ashley Wilkes And then Ashley was with Melanie
(07:20):
and then she ended up with a guy, and the
guy she married spoiler alert it's been one hundred years,
but spoiler alert, he dies in camp. He doesn't even
make it. It's like the getting killed by the flute guy.
You can't die before the battle even happens. I got
to take your word on all that because I haven't
seen the movie. I'm gonna reverse this now, because we
started this conversation somehow we got to who is the
member of the military band that you want to fight
(07:42):
during you know, different eras the flute guy, fluke guy, clearly,
but Michelle Obama unlikable.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Her thesis was basically a person a.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Big whine about how poorly she was treated at Princeton
is sort of the idea. Yeah, and this one she's
whining because people were upset because she didn't do the
right thing and go to Jimmy Carter's funeral. I think,
if you're a first lady or you're a former president,
the least you can do, the absolute least you can do,
is just show up and sit at the funeral to
(08:13):
show respect for America. Michelle Obama would not do it,
and she says she's the victim because people were too
tough on her for that choice.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Listen, my decision to skip the inauguration. You know what,
people don't realize from my decision to make choices at
the beginning of this year that suited me were met
with such ridicule and criticism, like people couldn't believe that
I was saying no for any other reason that they
had to assume that my marriage was falling.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know. It's like, while I'm here really trying to
own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that
was right for me, and it took everything in my
power to not do the thing that was right or
that was was that that was perceived as right, but
do the thing that was right for me. That was
(09:06):
a hard thing for me to do. I had to
basically trick myself out of it. And it started with
not having anything to wear. I mean I had affirmatively
because I'm always prepared for in a funeral anything I have.
I walk around with the right dress. I travel with
clothes just in case something pops off. So I was like,
(09:26):
if I'm not going to do this thing, I gotta
tell my team I don't even want to have a
dress ready. Yeah. Right, because it's so easy to just say,
let me do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I mean, does she think she's the good guy here?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Being an adult, I watched this last night, Buck and
I sent it in to producer Greg. Being an adult
means that you often do the right thing even when
you don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That is the sign I.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Would argue more than almost anything else, of maturity and
becoming an adult not doing the thing that you might
prefer to do because it is better for you to
make the choice that is better. And she said it
took everything in my power not to do the right thing.
Maybe that's a sign that you should do the right thing.
If it takes everything in your power to convince you
(10:16):
to do the thing that is not right. Maybe this
is like the whole concept of I'm gonna live my truth. Well,
there is no your truth. There's the truth, and you
either live by it or you don't. You don't get
to define truth. You can make your own opinions. But
this whole universe of it took everything in my power
to not do what was right is an actual quote
(10:37):
she said, Well, I just think we should remind media
matters that Clay's quote of the day so far as
Michelle Obama most overrated person in the world, most overrated
person in the world, she's the and by the way,
I hope they get the full headline right, most overrated
person in the world, and she's the anti Patrick Swayze,
who is the most underrated person in the world in
(10:57):
my opinion. Make sure you get that headline right. Clay
Travison as Patrick Swayze underrated, Michelle Obama overrated, and somehow
that's gonna be racist. Of course, Clay Travis thinks the
white man is underrated and the black woman is overrated.
This is what happens marga world. It's just she's kind
of Can I say it? I think I can say it.
It's kind of a kind of a bitch and not
(11:17):
a very likable one. Frankly, you can use that word.
You're buck, just bucks. Now, he's really nervous. She's she
to me, not going to Jimmy Carter's Carter's funeral and
then turning yourself into the victim.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
She's the bad guy. She's the bitch here period. Sunday
Hay with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Dana Perino of Frock Fox News.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You all know her.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
She's got a book that just came out this week.
I wish someone had told me the best advice for
building a great career and a meaningful life. And perhaps
we'll even get her to weigh in on flutes versus
fifes and other fascinating conversations today on the show, Dana,
thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Hey, I thought you were having me on to talk
about the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh no, that's my data, that's my area of expertise.
Maybe you and I can do a whole segment where
we discussed the draft. Because Clay had to tell me
that this was even happening, so I had zero idea,
but nowally, I love the idea Dana read sports is
one of my favorite parts of Fox News. I love
the idea of Dana and Buck try to figure out
(12:26):
sports related issues like you guys, just with no help,
just come together and try to determine some sports related conclusion.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I got you a week. I really loved the I
love watching the NFL Draft because I liked it watching
all the people, like like in the families and like
their excitement. I think that's so fun And wve tweeting
the draft is some one of my favorite things to do,
so I'm gonna make sure I'm doing that tonight. Like,
who wouldn't want to like? Who wouldn't want to live
in Arizona? That sounds fun? They got cute uniforms too.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, I'll just tell you. I've actually never seen the draft,
so I think we've established that Dana's knowledge clay of
this exeed mind substantially. I've never watched an NFL draft
in my life, so maybe tonight will be my first time.
Dana tell us about about the book a little bit here.
I mean, you've had a huge career. You were White
House Press secretary under Bush. Now you're at the five
(13:17):
Fox doing all this amazing stuff. What's the book telling
everybody out there?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
So it's called I Wish someone had told me the
best advice for building a great career and a meaningful life.
And I've done a book before called everything Will Be Okay.
And actually, I remember you all had just started your
show together, and when that book came out, you had
me on and it was such a fun conversation. I
remember exactly where I was standing and where we did that.
(13:43):
And that book was really targeted to young women going
through their quarter life crisis. This book is post COVID
and it is not geared just to young women. I
made it much more broad based. And also because I
have advanced in years since when I left the White House,
a lot of people that I met toward back then
are still coming to me for advice, and they've become executives,
(14:04):
moms and dads. They are looking for the next step
in their life. They're making big career transitions, and so
I realized I didn't have all the answers myself. I
interviewed over forty people, many the people here at Fox
News and like Gutfeld, Harold Ford, Junior, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith,
Jimmy Fayala you name it, Darien here, but also like
(14:25):
my college roommate, my husband, and Dirk Spentley. That's why
I was thinking of. Of course, I think of Nashville
and meaning Clay Travis, Nashville, Derek Spentley to talk to
them everything from how to start, how to get your
foot in the door, how to get a promotion, how
to be intentional with your time and a work life balance.
(14:46):
And I know, Buck, your new dad, and all of
this is I'm sure you'll be able to write a
book of advice for dads anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh I would.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would love that. But I have to tell you, Dana,
as I'm talking to you, it's always reassure when I
find out that my wife is actually listening to the
show and she texted me and says, make sure you
tell Dana that I got a lot out of her
book Everything will Be Okay. So Carrie Sexton is a
fan of book one and now will be a fan
of your most recent book.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I am sure your your wife is so lovely. Well,
you know I love hearing that. And one thing I
did find out, guys, is when Everything will Be Okay
came out, it was a big success. Everybody loved it,
but some there were younger guys, especially around here at Fox,
We're like, what about one for us? And there's been
insatiable need of young people who they really want to
be successful, and they're just looking for us to give
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them the blueprint, and we don't have the answers. Of course,
one of the best things that I've learned and that
I could pass on is that I really worried away
my twenties for no reason. I was so trying to
plan out my life, and everything that happened great in
my life is not because I planned it. And if
you aren't educated American, you already won life's great lottery.
(16:01):
And so all you have to decide is how hard
do you want to work?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I think that's so well said, and thanks for coming on, Dana.
I had a professor at Vanderbilt Law School, Larry Soderquist,
who has since passed, but he was an incredible business
professor and his big thing to us when we were
in law school. And I'm sure there's some kids out
there that are going to grad school or you're going
to take the bar exam soon coming up this summer.
(16:26):
And he said, you are already set. He said, you
guys have done the hard work of getting into law school.
He said, the question you have to decide going forward
with your legal careers is how do you want to
work this.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Law degree?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He said, But you're never going to be homeless, you're
never going to be hungry. The big concerns in life
you have taken care of, and you should think about
that more than you do all of you. And I
thought that perspective was super important. And I think it
reflects upon what you said, where there are a lot
of kids out there in their twenties. They get out
to school, they get out of grad school, they have
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these quarter like crises I had won myself, and they
wonder what else is out there? And I think this
is an important lesson that you're trying to teach them.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Is that one.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You're still going to be trying to figure out a
lot of things when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties,
and sixties. Nobody has all the answers, but you're probably
going to be okay.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh absolutely. And one of my favorite mentors was President Bush,
and I remember he would talk about the importance of
not being so risk averse, that America was built on
people willing to take a risk and to be pioneers.
And I think about Elon Musk right, like he takes
risks all the time, like landing rockets on chopsticks. But
(17:45):
because he was able to, he was willing to take
a risk, you can get great reward. And I remember
I was really hesitant to start my own business after
I left the White House because I had a million
reasons that were stupid really looking back. And the President
said to me, ask us this, what is the worst
thing that could happen to you if it fails? So
I saw of Hemden had for a minute and he said,
(18:06):
so you're telling me the worst thing that could happen
to you. An educated American woman who was the White
House Press secretary start throwing this say it fails, and
the worst thing you have to do is go back
and work for another PR firm. That's the worst thing.
And he said, I'm not persuaded by that, And that's
really helpful to me. I learned from doctor Samantha Boordman.
When people are dealing with anxiety, and of course, of
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course we all do, and also we're surrounded by young
people who have a lot of it, you ask yourself
what's the worst thing that could happen, and what's the
best thing that could happen? And usually what happens is
somewhere in the middle, and it can calm you down
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yes, I think there's an old quote from one of
the great Stoics that we suffer more in imagination than reality.
It might have been Seneca, or it's one of them.
So it's a version. You know, Dane is updating it
for the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But this is very true or not?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Jackie Waters when I interviewed him for this book, Jesse
Waters talks about the Stoics as well. In this book.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, Jesse Waters and I are apparently brothers from another mother.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I had no IDEA.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Fun fact, Jesse doesn't even know this, but maybe he
was in I think it was like an English one
oh one class at Trinity College with my older brother
at one point, to give your sense to what a
small world it was. Then Mason transferred went to a
different school. But yes, Jesse and I have been give
me the t Yeah, Jesse and I have and ship's passing.
Then Mason assures me he might have popped his collar,
(19:24):
but he was a very nice guy. But yes, we've
got Dana Perino with us right now, and she's got
a new book out which you guys should all check out,
and her books have been huge successes up to this point.
So what's uh, You know, if you're if you're looking
now for the the people out there who are going
to be grabbing this book, if there's one thing that
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you want them to really take out of it today,
or rather one thing that they would read and you
hope they could apply to their lives as soon as possible, Dan,
And what would that be?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well, I think we've covered a lot of it, and
especially what I'm hoping is that when people read this,
they will realize they don't need to worry as much.
One of the reasons that you seek out a book
like this is because you're trying to get some answers
the things that are bothering you. So I'm hoping that
that is true. But I would also pass on this advice.
Most of the mentees that come to see me, they
are definitely interested in professional guidance, but they also are
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looking for meaningful personal lives. They would love to meet somebody,
they want to get married, they want to have families,
and they want to find a work life balance that
will allow them to have a great, wonderful, meaningful life.
And my experience was unusual. I met my husband on
an airplane twenty eight years ago, and there's a million
reasons why we might not have met, or that we
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could have talked ourselves out of it. But choosing to
be loved is not a career limiting decision. It actually
made all the difference for me. And I'm hoping that
young people can take that away and realize that investing
in yourself in a commitment is a great way to
enhance your life and your career.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I got a great I got a reverse for a second. Here,
take us into this. This is a great story of romance.
You met your husband on a plane, like what was
the first move here? Did he spill his his peanuts
or his seltzer and your lap?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
How did he get this going?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go
on the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody
had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.
I was working for a congressman. I was coming back
from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And
I was on an American Airlines flight. I almost missed
the plane because it was my first time driving out
to the new Denver International Airport, which might as well
(21:33):
be in Kansas.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's so far away, it's accurate.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And so the last two people to get on the
plane were myself and this guy. And I sat down
in the window seat and he said, would you like
me to put your bag up above? British accent strong
moves A strong move, Yeah, accent accents are helpful. No
wedding ring handsome. And he had a book called The
(21:58):
Tailor of Panama by John McCarey. I said, oh, I said,
do you like that book? So we started talking about
books and for two and a half hours. We talked
for a long time. I remember asking him what do
people in Europe think about Bill Clinton? And he said
they think he's a clown. And I was like, oh, wow,
we're going to get along great. But then I remember
looking at the window and saying a prayer to God
(22:20):
that I know I asked you to help me find someone.
But he's much older than me, he lives in England.
My career is on the right track. I didn't think
I would meet somebody on an airplane, but I couldn't eat, sleep, drink,
concentrate anything after I met him, and about six weeks
later we had our first date when he was back
(22:41):
in the States in New Orleans, and six months later
I moved to England. Twenty eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm
just kind of curious, Hey, I'm going to move to England.
I met a guy on an airplane.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, so you hit the nail on the head of
One of the reasons I wrote the book because one
of the things I worried about in my twenties was
how am I going to get a job, How will
I succeed? How will I pay my bills? Then? How
am I going to meet somebody. How am I going
to then? What are people going to think about me?
For wanting to be with this man who is much
older than me, lives in England, and that I'm leaving
my job and career to go live in England and
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who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah, and
I worried myself to death. And this a woman of
a family friends that don't give up on this chance
to be loved and.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The data one superpower that I've learned is to not
care what people think who don't matter to you, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
But you know what it's so interesting is that we
have to learn this lesson over and over again because
your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe
you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher
or from other friends. And all of these young people
are always thinking about what others are thinking about them
and how they're being judged. And what I remind them
is that actually we all just think about ourselves all
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the time. Somebody has time to think about you.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And by the way, especially in a social media age,
people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived
than they would have been in the past.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Quickly.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Wait, can I ask her a question that, Dana, do
you think that? Do you think that women? I'm putting
you on the hot seat a little bit here. Everybody
loves data, Pirno, everyone's gonna love this book. You're on
the hot seat.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do women in this era care too much about men's height?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite
five foot one. So even Gottzald is a little tall
to me. So just kidding, he is not tall to me.
The women care too much about height? I mean maybe,
I mean I know that it's sort of awkward. It depends,
like I don't you don't see.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana? How
tall is your husband?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Let's just let's just.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Go through this about I would say five to ten.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Okay, this is like he's like tall, but not you know,
you didn't date like you're not a five to one
lady who married a six foot five guy.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
We've had some conversations on the show recently about this.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
He's tall for someone from Scotland.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
How about that fair enough?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't even know if that's just a shot at
Scottish men by the way, that you just I wouldn't
have been tall for someone from Scottish.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Men are short. Is this true?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, the book, by the way, is fabulous. I have
met her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Us out show.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
He is great. He is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, hey, by the way, you're listening to a guy
who may get canceled at any moment. No idea what
might happen from one second to the next week. Someone
one had told go ahead and Dana Perino, go buy it.
You're gonna like it, Dana, We appreciate the time you
do fantastic or till we said high thank you. Same
to you, Clay. I was struck by something as we're
(25:52):
talking to Dana.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Who who? It is true?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Everybody my wife loves Dana. Everybody loves Dana. Her book
is fantastic. I'm sure the last book was fantastic. I
have a book title for you for your next book,
because we know the topic. I have a title for you.
Do you want me to tell you the title now
or when we come back. I want to hear your
title when we come back. We've got a title for
the book and it's probably not going to surprise you.
(26:15):
But I'm curious if your title is somewhat similar to
the title. We've got an idea. Now that you're telling
me this, I feel like it could be, but you
have just to be clear, Clay has not told me
the title of his forthcoming book. I have a title
in mind for him, and I think some of you
are really going to like it. So that's what we
call it. Ease in the business.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Uh you switch? Is it me or you? Who's supposed
to know? It's me? It's me? Oh, I blew it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Sorry, the least flowers are throwing you off, buddy, I
need something. The leaf blowers just track me everywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I hate those guys. Sundays with Clay and Bus.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
By the way, I want to say, Dana Perino maybe
the nicest person on air at Fox News, but if
she had to get into a royal rumble with the
other nicest person in my experience, Shannon versus Dana Perino
for the title of nicest person on the air at
Fox News would be like the Jordan Lebron debate of
the Fox News era.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
But they are the two nicest people on the planet.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I would I would concur they're two of the nicest
people have come across in this, in this business and
just in general. But Clay, your book is going to
be about masculinity in America today. I think your book
title should be the First Amendment. And dudes, that's good.
You are going to be it's The book title is
(27:34):
going to be Buck Balls B A L LS how
Trump one men? Uh and it all it has on
the cover is just two big basketballs. One hundred percent.
This is this is what, this is what. Yes, you're
all very welcome. That is Buck's title is very good.
But the title of my book is legitimately just balls
(27:55):
B A L LSU And uh, yeah, it's gonna be
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I wanted to play this because I was one of
the people that probably went after her the most aggressively
on this, and it feels like Michelle Obama is still
trying to act like she wasn't a diva for refusing
to attend Jimmy Carter's funeral.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
She's been addressing it on her podcast that no one
is evidently listening to, and she made herself out to
be the victim for being unwilling to go to Jimmy
Carter's funeral and listen to this gobblygook from Michelle Obama,
who I would argue is probably the most overrated person
(00:56):
in all of America. This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yesterday, I argue that the.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Most overrated person in the world by Clay Travis. That's
gonna get Yes, she is the anti Patrick Swayzee. Patrick
Swayzee the most underrated nineteen eighties actor. For those of
you who were listening yesterday in the third hour of
the program, Michelle Obama the most overrated person in the world.
I find her to be very unlikable, and since she
has left office, I find her to be frankly insufferable.
(01:24):
Even have you ever read her Princeton thesis of you
would I have?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I have?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's that bad? Would? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Because remember thesis? You could go find my thesis. I'm
not saying it was very good, but you know it
was on like basically the Communists of taken over and
using speech codes. I told people mine it was the
burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. Remember the Civil War? Nerd for
my History Honors thesis yet.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But so what was harming? I want the video of you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
First of all, we know that out in the battlefield
doing the reenactments, you're playing the fife because it's the
closest thing to a flute.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Let's.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They had fif's in World War Two. Now I could
play the fife in the Revolutionary War. We're having all
the job they didn't do in the Civil War.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think they had moved on.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I think the technology was such that they had moved
on from the fight.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
On the sixties.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh man, I don't think people still play the fife now,
I don't think it's we have some Civil War reenactors.
What would wind instrument? Were they playing out in the
field in the Civil War or real? I think they
had real, uh fluial flutes by then. Well the food
has keys and stuff. I don't think you would take
(02:34):
that out. That's gonna be tough to clean. I think
they had them. I think they had the flute in
the in the Civil War. By the way, what about
the is it insanely brave or insanely dumb? Sometimes they overlap.
Can you imagine being the guy who was in the
military that didn't have done and just played while people
(02:54):
were shooting and shooting. I thought I thought about this before,
like to be the like the drummer boy and the
Revolution or something, and I'm like, I want a musket.
I want like a backup musket. I would not be
you know, holding the colors, holding the regimental colors was
also you know the flag bearers, like the flag guy,
because the flag guys they needed to know where I.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Flag guy. You're like walking around with a big target up.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In these Oh yeah, well, well I'm not saying I
would do it, but I'm saying, at least the flag
guy had to be super brave, Like, I can see
the use.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Why did they have the flute guy?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Like, why not just get the flute guy a gun
and play less instruments? Play You know the answer to this,
because when it comes to a battle, what gets you
as fired up as some groovy flute tunes?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I I think the flute. I think the flute was
in high power by the time we're talking like Battle
of Gettysburg.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think it's probably the peak of flute playing anywhere.
Like the flute guy in the flute.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Back in the day in the camp was the star
of the military camp in eighteen six.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What else are you gonna do? Well? Gambling?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A lot of gambling, I bet with cards, probably drinking cards.
I've heard rumors about moonshine being probably probably a little
bit of alcohol consumption. But in terms of sheer entertainment,
the preacher and the flute guy and the flute guy
was way less judgmental and made you think about dying less.
So I bet he was the most popular. So I
(04:28):
can turn us back from this digression.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That is my fault.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Some of our Civil War super nerds, you and Clay,
the secret society of Civil War super nerds that you
guys all belong to. Let us know what the instrument
situation was in that era, because we all think of
the breaches and the fife and the drums for the Revolution.
But were they just not playing music out in the
battlefield the same Maybe they just the rifles were accurate
(04:51):
and far enough at that point that you really didn't
have as much of the music out there. I don't know,
I don't know. I'm trying to think back now. According
to producer Alley, who's using chat GPT for and It's Worth,
flutes played an important role in communication and boosting morale
during the Civil War. They were used to signal daily
routines like waking up, marching, or going to bed, and also,
as I just said, provided entertainment. It's probably the peak
(05:13):
of the flute influence in American culture was right then
and there. And I mean so the flute player on
that battlefield was a badass who was responsible for morale
of everybody else. So the flute player was kind of
like the Rambo of his era. Let's be honest. I
hope the flute guy didn't have to be involved in
the full charge. I hope they were like, hey, flute guy,
you can stop, you know, six hundred yards from the
(05:35):
from the ramparts, because can you imagine the flute guy
just walking into cannons, Like, I mean, things got really
rough in the in the you know, I just finished
my Grant Turnow biography, right, and so I've kind of
gone through the Grant campaigns and obviously when it would
get hand to hand, somebody at some point probably got
beaten senseless by a flute. That actually happened.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
They had a tough way to go, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And by the way, if you had to pick somebody
to fight into hand, I think I'd picked the guy
with the flute.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You watch the if I'm there in the If I'm
there in the ramparts and the drummer with a saber
that I got over with the I'm going after flute guy. Yeah,
the drummers got like pretty strong forearms. I don't think
you go for the drummer. I think you go for.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Flute guy for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You imagine like when they're sitting around after the battle,
they're like, you know what happened to Timmy If flute
guy got.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Him was nasty to the head. Timmy got taken out
by the flute guy.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, the flute guy was tougher than we thought, like
just totally people making fun of his instrument, and he
he went berserker rage out there on the battlefield. It's
like it would be the Remember when Scarlett and Going
with the Wind she married the guy and then he
died of the disease before he got out to actually
fight in the battle. Do you remember that she really
liked spoiler alert Ashley uh uh no, sorry, she liked
(06:55):
rhtt Butler No, Ashley Wilkes, I can't remember. I'm getting
confined love trying. I'm putting something out there right now.
I have never seen Gone with the Wind, which is
really crazy. I know, the most successful movie of all time,
I think so. Yeah, if you add up like the
dollars for inflation and all that stuff, yes, can we
reverse to Ashley Wilkes And then Ashley was with Melanie
(07:20):
and then she ended up with a guy, and the
guy she married spoiler alert it's been one hundred years,
but spoiler alert, he dies in camp. He doesn't even
make it. It's like the getting killed by the flute guy.
You can't die before the battle even happens. I got
to take your word on all that because I haven't
seen the movie. I'm gonna reverse this now, because we
started this conversation somehow we got to who is the
member of the military band that you want to fight
(07:42):
during you know, different eras the flute guy, fluke guy, clearly,
but Michelle Obama unlikable.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Her thesis was basically a person a.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Big whine about how poorly she was treated at Princeton
is sort of the idea. Yeah, and this one she's
whining because people were upset because she didn't do the
right thing and go to Jimmy Carter's funeral. I think,
if you're a first lady or you're a former president,
the least you can do, the absolute least you can do,
is just show up and sit at the funeral to
(08:13):
show respect for America. Michelle Obama would not do it,
and she says she's the victim because people were too
tough on her for that choice.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Listen, my decision to skip the inauguration. You know what,
people don't realize from my decision to make choices at
the beginning of this year that suited me were met
with such ridicule and criticism, like people couldn't believe that
I was saying no for any other reason that they
had to assume that my marriage was falling.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know. It's like, while I'm here really trying to
own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that
was right for me, and it took everything in my
power to not do the thing that was right or
that was was that that was perceived as right, but
do the thing that was right for me. That was
(09:06):
a hard thing for me to do. I had to
basically trick myself out of it. And it started with
not having anything to wear. I mean I had affirmatively
because I'm always prepared for in a funeral anything I have.
I walk around with the right dress. I travel with
clothes just in case something pops off. So I was like,
(09:26):
if I'm not going to do this thing, I gotta
tell my team I don't even want to have a
dress ready. Yeah. Right, because it's so easy to just say,
let me do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I mean, does she think she's the good guy here?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Being an adult, I watched this last night, Buck and
I sent it in to producer Greg. Being an adult
means that you often do the right thing even when
you don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That is the sign I.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Would argue more than almost anything else, of maturity and
becoming an adult not doing the thing that you might
prefer to do because it is better for you to
make the choice that is better. And she said it
took everything in my power not to do the right thing.
Maybe that's a sign that you should do the right thing.
If it takes everything in your power to convince you
(10:16):
to do the thing that is not right. Maybe this
is like the whole concept of I'm gonna live my truth. Well,
there is no your truth. There's the truth, and you
either live by it or you don't. You don't get
to define truth. You can make your own opinions. But
this whole universe of it took everything in my power
to not do what was right is an actual quote
(10:37):
she said, Well, I just think we should remind media
matters that Clay's quote of the day so far as
Michelle Obama most overrated person in the world, most overrated
person in the world, she's the and by the way,
I hope they get the full headline right, most overrated
person in the world, and she's the anti Patrick Swayze,
who is the most underrated person in the world in
(10:57):
my opinion. Make sure you get that headline right. Clay
Travison as Patrick Swayze underrated, Michelle Obama overrated, and somehow
that's gonna be racist. Of course, Clay Travis thinks the
white man is underrated and the black woman is overrated.
This is what happens marga world. It's just she's kind
of Can I say it? I think I can say it.
It's kind of a kind of a bitch and not
(11:17):
a very likable one. Frankly, you can use that word.
You're buck, just bucks. Now, he's really nervous. She's she
to me, not going to Jimmy Carter's Carter's funeral and
then turning yourself into the victim.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
She's the bad guy. She's the bitch here period. Sunday
Hay with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Dana Perino of Frock Fox News.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You all know her.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
She's got a book that just came out this week.
I wish someone had told me the best advice for
building a great career and a meaningful life. And perhaps
we'll even get her to weigh in on flutes versus
fifes and other fascinating conversations today on the show, Dana,
thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Hey, I thought you were having me on to talk
about the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh no, that's my data, that's my area of expertise.
Maybe you and I can do a whole segment where
we discussed the draft. Because Clay had to tell me
that this was even happening, so I had zero idea,
but nowally, I love the idea Dana read sports is
one of my favorite parts of Fox News. I love
the idea of Dana and Buck try to figure out
(12:26):
sports related issues like you guys, just with no help,
just come together and try to determine some sports related conclusion.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I got you a week. I really loved the I
love watching the NFL Draft because I liked it watching
all the people, like like in the families and like
their excitement. I think that's so fun And wve tweeting
the draft is some one of my favorite things to do,
so I'm gonna make sure I'm doing that tonight. Like,
who wouldn't want to like? Who wouldn't want to live
in Arizona? That sounds fun? They got cute uniforms too.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, I'll just tell you. I've actually never seen the draft,
so I think we've established that Dana's knowledge clay of
this exeed mind substantially. I've never watched an NFL draft
in my life, so maybe tonight will be my first time.
Dana tell us about about the book a little bit here.
I mean, you've had a huge career. You were White
House Press secretary under Bush. Now you're at the five
(13:17):
Fox doing all this amazing stuff. What's the book telling
everybody out there?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
So it's called I Wish someone had told me the
best advice for building a great career and a meaningful life.
And I've done a book before called everything Will Be Okay.
And actually, I remember you all had just started your
show together, and when that book came out, you had
me on and it was such a fun conversation. I
remember exactly where I was standing and where we did that.
(13:43):
And that book was really targeted to young women going
through their quarter life crisis. This book is post COVID
and it is not geared just to young women. I
made it much more broad based. And also because I
have advanced in years since when I left the White House,
a lot of people that I met toward back then
are still coming to me for advice, and they've become executives,
(14:04):
moms and dads. They are looking for the next step
in their life. They're making big career transitions, and so
I realized I didn't have all the answers myself. I
interviewed over forty people, many the people here at Fox
News and like Gutfeld, Harold Ford, Junior, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith,
Jimmy Fayala you name it, Darien here, but also like
(14:25):
my college roommate, my husband, and Dirk Spentley. That's why
I was thinking of. Of course, I think of Nashville
and meaning Clay Travis, Nashville, Derek Spentley to talk to
them everything from how to start, how to get your
foot in the door, how to get a promotion, how
to be intentional with your time and a work life balance.
(14:46):
And I know, Buck, your new dad, and all of
this is I'm sure you'll be able to write a
book of advice for dads anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh I would.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would love that. But I have to tell you, Dana,
as I'm talking to you, it's always reassure when I
find out that my wife is actually listening to the
show and she texted me and says, make sure you
tell Dana that I got a lot out of her
book Everything will Be Okay. So Carrie Sexton is a
fan of book one and now will be a fan
of your most recent book.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I am sure your your wife is so lovely. Well,
you know I love hearing that. And one thing I
did find out, guys, is when Everything will Be Okay
came out, it was a big success. Everybody loved it,
but some there were younger guys, especially around here at Fox,
We're like, what about one for us? And there's been
insatiable need of young people who they really want to
be successful, and they're just looking for us to give
(15:38):
them the blueprint, and we don't have the answers. Of course,
one of the best things that I've learned and that
I could pass on is that I really worried away
my twenties for no reason. I was so trying to
plan out my life, and everything that happened great in
my life is not because I planned it. And if
you aren't educated American, you already won life's great lottery.
(16:01):
And so all you have to decide is how hard
do you want to work?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I think that's so well said, and thanks for coming on, Dana.
I had a professor at Vanderbilt Law School, Larry Soderquist,
who has since passed, but he was an incredible business
professor and his big thing to us when we were
in law school. And I'm sure there's some kids out
there that are going to grad school or you're going
to take the bar exam soon coming up this summer.
(16:26):
And he said, you are already set. He said, you
guys have done the hard work of getting into law school.
He said, the question you have to decide going forward
with your legal careers is how do you want to
work this.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Law degree?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He said, But you're never going to be homeless, you're
never going to be hungry. The big concerns in life
you have taken care of, and you should think about
that more than you do all of you. And I
thought that perspective was super important. And I think it
reflects upon what you said, where there are a lot
of kids out there in their twenties. They get out
to school, they get out of grad school, they have
(17:01):
these quarter like crises I had won myself, and they
wonder what else is out there? And I think this
is an important lesson that you're trying to teach them.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Is that one.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You're still going to be trying to figure out a
lot of things when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties,
and sixties. Nobody has all the answers, but you're probably
going to be okay.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh absolutely. And one of my favorite mentors was President Bush,
and I remember he would talk about the importance of
not being so risk averse, that America was built on
people willing to take a risk and to be pioneers.
And I think about Elon Musk right, like he takes
risks all the time, like landing rockets on chopsticks. But
(17:45):
because he was able to, he was willing to take
a risk, you can get great reward. And I remember
I was really hesitant to start my own business after
I left the White House because I had a million
reasons that were stupid really looking back. And the President
said to me, ask us this, what is the worst
thing that could happen to you if it fails? So
I saw of Hemden had for a minute and he said,
(18:06):
so you're telling me the worst thing that could happen
to you. An educated American woman who was the White
House Press secretary start throwing this say it fails, and
the worst thing you have to do is go back
and work for another PR firm. That's the worst thing.
And he said, I'm not persuaded by that, And that's
really helpful to me. I learned from doctor Samantha Boordman.
When people are dealing with anxiety, and of course, of
(18:26):
course we all do, and also we're surrounded by young
people who have a lot of it, you ask yourself
what's the worst thing that could happen, and what's the
best thing that could happen? And usually what happens is
somewhere in the middle, and it can calm you down
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yes, I think there's an old quote from one of
the great Stoics that we suffer more in imagination than reality.
It might have been Seneca, or it's one of them.
So it's a version. You know, Dane is updating it
for the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But this is very true or not?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Jackie Waters when I interviewed him for this book, Jesse
Waters talks about the Stoics as well. In this book.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, Jesse Waters and I are apparently brothers from another mother.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I had no IDEA.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Fun fact, Jesse doesn't even know this, but maybe he
was in I think it was like an English one
oh one class at Trinity College with my older brother
at one point, to give your sense to what a
small world it was. Then Mason transferred went to a
different school. But yes, Jesse and I have been give
me the t Yeah, Jesse and I have and ship's passing.
Then Mason assures me he might have popped his collar,
(19:24):
but he was a very nice guy. But yes, we've
got Dana Perino with us right now, and she's got
a new book out which you guys should all check out,
and her books have been huge successes up to this point.
So what's uh, You know, if you're if you're looking
now for the the people out there who are going
to be grabbing this book, if there's one thing that
(19:45):
you want them to really take out of it today,
or rather one thing that they would read and you
hope they could apply to their lives as soon as possible, Dan,
And what would that be?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well, I think we've covered a lot of it, and
especially what I'm hoping is that when people read this,
they will realize they don't need to worry as much.
One of the reasons that you seek out a book
like this is because you're trying to get some answers
the things that are bothering you. So I'm hoping that
that is true. But I would also pass on this advice.
Most of the mentees that come to see me, they
are definitely interested in professional guidance, but they also are
(20:16):
looking for meaningful personal lives. They would love to meet somebody,
they want to get married, they want to have families,
and they want to find a work life balance that
will allow them to have a great, wonderful, meaningful life.
And my experience was unusual. I met my husband on
an airplane twenty eight years ago, and there's a million
reasons why we might not have met, or that we
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could have talked ourselves out of it. But choosing to
be loved is not a career limiting decision. It actually
made all the difference for me. And I'm hoping that
young people can take that away and realize that investing
in yourself in a commitment is a great way to
enhance your life and your career.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I got a great I got a reverse for a second. Here,
take us into this. This is a great story of romance.
You met your husband on a plane, like what was
the first move here? Did he spill his his peanuts
or his seltzer and your lap?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
How did he get this going?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go
on the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody
had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.
I was working for a congressman. I was coming back
from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And
I was on an American Airlines flight. I almost missed
the plane because it was my first time driving out
to the new Denver International Airport, which might as well
(21:33):
be in Kansas.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's so far away, it's accurate.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And so the last two people to get on the
plane were myself and this guy. And I sat down
in the window seat and he said, would you like
me to put your bag up above? British accent strong
moves A strong move, Yeah, accent accents are helpful. No
wedding ring handsome. And he had a book called The
(21:58):
Tailor of Panama by John McCarey. I said, oh, I said,
do you like that book? So we started talking about
books and for two and a half hours. We talked
for a long time. I remember asking him what do
people in Europe think about Bill Clinton? And he said
they think he's a clown. And I was like, oh, wow,
we're going to get along great. But then I remember
looking at the window and saying a prayer to God
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that I know I asked you to help me find someone.
But he's much older than me, he lives in England.
My career is on the right track. I didn't think
I would meet somebody on an airplane, but I couldn't eat, sleep, drink,
concentrate anything after I met him, and about six weeks
later we had our first date when he was back
(22:41):
in the States in New Orleans, and six months later
I moved to England. Twenty eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm
just kind of curious, Hey, I'm going to move to England.
I met a guy on an airplane.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, so you hit the nail on the head of
One of the reasons I wrote the book because one
of the things I worried about in my twenties was
how am I going to get a job, How will
I succeed? How will I pay my bills? Then? How
am I going to meet somebody. How am I going
to then? What are people going to think about me?
For wanting to be with this man who is much
older than me, lives in England, and that I'm leaving
my job and career to go live in England and
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who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah, and
I worried myself to death. And this a woman of
a family friends that don't give up on this chance
to be loved and.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The data one superpower that I've learned is to not
care what people think who don't matter to you, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
But you know what it's so interesting is that we
have to learn this lesson over and over again because
your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe
you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher
or from other friends. And all of these young people
are always thinking about what others are thinking about them
and how they're being judged. And what I remind them
is that actually we all just think about ourselves all
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the time. Somebody has time to think about you.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And by the way, especially in a social media age,
people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived
than they would have been in the past.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Quickly.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Wait, can I ask her a question that, Dana, do
you think that? Do you think that women? I'm putting
you on the hot seat a little bit here. Everybody
loves data, Pirno, everyone's gonna love this book. You're on
the hot seat.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do women in this era care too much about men's height?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite
five foot one. So even Gottzald is a little tall
to me. So just kidding, he is not tall to me.
The women care too much about height? I mean maybe,
I mean I know that it's sort of awkward. It depends,
like I don't you don't see.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana? How
tall is your husband?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Let's just let's just.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Go through this about I would say five to ten.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Okay, this is like he's like tall, but not you know,
you didn't date like you're not a five to one
lady who married a six foot five guy.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
We've had some conversations on the show recently about this.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
He's tall for someone from Scotland.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
How about that fair enough?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't even know if that's just a shot at
Scottish men by the way, that you just I wouldn't
have been tall for someone from Scottish.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Men are short. Is this true?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, the book, by the way, is fabulous. I have
met her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Us out show.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
He is great. He is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, hey, by the way, you're listening to a guy
who may get canceled at any moment. No idea what
might happen from one second to the next week. Someone
one had told go ahead and Dana Perino, go buy it.
You're gonna like it, Dana, We appreciate the time you
do fantastic or till we said high thank you. Same
to you, Clay. I was struck by something as we're
(25:52):
talking to Dana.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Who who? It is true?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Everybody my wife loves Dana. Everybody loves Dana. Her book
is fantastic. I'm sure the last book was fantastic. I
have a book title for you for your next book,
because we know the topic. I have a title for you.
Do you want me to tell you the title now
or when we come back. I want to hear your
title when we come back. We've got a title for
the book and it's probably not going to surprise you.
(26:15):
But I'm curious if your title is somewhat similar to
the title. We've got an idea. Now that you're telling
me this, I feel like it could be, but you
have just to be clear, Clay has not told me
the title of his forthcoming book. I have a title
in mind for him, and I think some of you
are really going to like it. So that's what we
call it. Ease in the business.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Uh you switch? Is it me or you? Who's supposed
to know? It's me? It's me? Oh, I blew it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Sorry, the least flowers are throwing you off, buddy, I
need something. The leaf blowers just track me everywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I hate those guys. Sundays with Clay and Bus.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
By the way, I want to say, Dana Perino maybe
the nicest person on air at Fox News, but if
she had to get into a royal rumble with the
other nicest person in my experience, Shannon versus Dana Perino
for the title of nicest person on the air at
Fox News would be like the Jordan Lebron debate of
the Fox News era.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
But they are the two nicest people on the planet.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I would I would concur they're two of the nicest
people have come across in this, in this business and
just in general. But Clay, your book is going to
be about masculinity in America today. I think your book
title should be the First Amendment. And dudes, that's good.
You are going to be it's The book title is
(27:34):
going to be Buck Balls B A L LS how
Trump one men? Uh and it all it has on
the cover is just two big basketballs. One hundred percent.
This is this is what, this is what. Yes, you're
all very welcome. That is Buck's title is very good.
But the title of my book is legitimately just balls
(27:55):
B A L LSU And uh, yeah, it's gonna be
one
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