November 14, 2025 • 25 mins
Former district attorney Kim Ogg joins the Tudor Dixon Podcast to break down the growing divide inside the Democratic Party over crime, public safety, and law-and-order policies. Ogg explains why she faced intense backlash after challenging the party’s increasingly radical direction and calling for a return to common-sense governance. Ogg discusses how cashless bail policies are affecting crime rates, the impact of new technologies on the criminal justice system, and the media’s role in shaping public perception. Ogg also highlights ongoing threats to victims’ rights and argues for a more responsible, balanced approach to policing and prosecution. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As you all know,
and as you've all seen over the past few weeks,
the Democrat Party is changing, and not all Democrats are
eager to accept those changes.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
But it's weird because it seems like if you.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Step away, and I don't mean step away from the
party completely, but I'm saying, if you step away from
those radical ideals, you get this intense reaction. And my
guest today, former District Attorney of Harris County, Texas, Kim Ogg,
is one of those people that has experienced some of
that blowback from just stepping away from some of the
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Democrat ideals. Welcome, former district Attorney. We're so pleased to
have you on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I think your topic is relevant and a lot of
people feel exactly like you stated that the parties moved
away from common sense and things that we all used
to agree on that weren't considered partisan, such as crime.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's interesting because this morning I was on Newsmax and
they were playing a clip from one of the national
TV shows and this woman said, I have been a
Democrat for my entire life, a lifelong Democrat, And you
know this is decades of being a Democrat, and I
have seen the party change, change, change, And she said,
I identify with Bernie Sanders, and anyone who doesn't is
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not a Democrat. And I was shocked. I thought, what,
that's the change.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Wouldn't you say that's the change.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I would say that the last democratic socialist that we
read about in history was in Germany, in pre war Germany,
and that this concept that the government is supposed to
provide everything for us is wrong. What the government is
supposed to provide and what we all used to agree on.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Is public safety.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
That we need to be able to go to the
store without getting robbed, that we need to allow kids
to be able to play in our yards, that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
What we see under bad democratic policies related to public
safety are cashless bail and thousands of murders that just
don't have to happen. And that's the murders. There's a
lot of rapes and robberies when people are out on
bond and they have no skin in the game. Their
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mother's house isn't up, we're not seeing trials for.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Years and years.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
You get mayhem in the neighborhood. And I find that
regular people, including Democrats, don't want to live next to
a murderer or a rapist on cashless bail. They think
that person should be in jail, held pre trial, with
a quick trial, and that's how things.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Should be, and that's how they used to be.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
And it's been a huge shock to me as a
district's attorney in the fourth largest jurisdiction in the country,
to watch Democrats in control of some of our major
urban areas, including Houston, go to the this pro crime
agenda and act as though victims are the villains.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh yes, and the criminals are the good guys. That's
just not the way it is.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That has shocked me, the protection for the criminal.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And I will say on both sides, I've seen these
weird changes in certain people in the parties as well,
and there seems to be I don't know if it's
the improvement or the invention of social media. I don't
know what it is, but there is this desire to
be personally famous in politics, which I think is a
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terrible situation, and I think we've seen that. To me,
has been what's pulled the Democrats to the socialist side.
You at AOC, you have Bernie Sanders who started it.
You've got Mom Donnie Now who is out there, and
they are like these these characters that people just want
to follow.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And even Marjorie Taylor Green on our side.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I heard her the other day on Megan Kelly's show
saying that she is mad because Speaker Johnson should have
kept the government, should have kept the House in session
during the government shutdown, because they could have been passing bills.
And I thought, that's bizarre to me that that's your focus.
When you don't have the actual fundamentals of government are
not there. You're not funding law enforcement, you're not funding
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our military. You get to the point where you start
to have the fundamentals of government used as a weapon
against the people to get what you want politically. And
I feel like that is what we are seeing right
now in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's shocking to me. But having you on here from.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Texas, it is really shocking to me because you were involved.
You were the district attorney when the Jocelyn Nungary case
first came out.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I was, and I have become close to the family.
There is a new victims rights group that is formed
not just around this case, but around thousands of murders
that occurred my eight year two terms. We filed more
than three thy five hundred murders. Just imagine the math.
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That's more than one a day. So I met not
just Joscelyn Nungerra's family after her incredibly horrible death and murder,
but I met thousands of other families in the same position.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And these are not statistics.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
These are people's brothers, mothers, husbands, wives, children. It didn't
have to happen. It doesn't have to keep happening. Criminal justice.
In the age of DNA and the Internet and so
many technological advances, almost any crime can be solved. What's
weird is that people don't seem to want to solve them.
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Some people, some people in the Democratic Party and some
people in power who act more like social influencers than
real leaders.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Because it takes guts.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
To stand up against the inevitable criticism that you receive online.
My thought is, you know online doesn't vote, either, does
do huge contributions.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
By people like George Soros.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
People vote, and it's people that we're supposed to be
serving in government, and the first duty of government is
to keep us safe. So we are failing, I think,
in this country, and it's the political system that's failing us.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And that's just.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Going to require people getting off their phones, being involved,
knowing who their judges. DA's local government is not just
the folks we elect to Congress.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, that has been something that we on the Republican
side have just started to sadly, just started to figure
out these prosecutors, the district attorneys.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We need to be aware of their ideology. Because you have.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Stated, and I want to mention this, you have stated
that it is not a partisan position. However it has
become a partisan position. Why why has it become a
partisan position? I mean, the law is the law, right,
It's like math. It either is or it isn't.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I say that all the time. The law is a
simple math problem.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You apply the law to the facts, and there's either
sufficient evidence for somebody to be held in jail and
convicted or there's not.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So you're correct. It was never intended to be partisan.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yet we've seen leftist Democrats throw race into the conversation,
which is like gasoline on fire, because we do have
a divide in the country between black and brown and white,
but we don't disagree and never really disagreed overprotecting ourselves
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and our family and our expectation that law enforcement would
do that. And when race was injected, especially during the
George Floyd riots and protests, what we saw was a
movement to defund police with no alternative option behind it,
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as though people were just going to stop robbing and
raping and pillaging. And while I don't agree with what
happened to George Floyd, I think that the murder conviction
was valid based on the evidence that I read about.
My thought is that you don't wipe out an entire
system because somebody did something wrong or handled a situation inappropriately.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And someone died.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That was terrible, but it doesn't mean you throw out
the entire system. And so I think that the Democratic
Socialists took that, they took advantage of the situtuation and
they really began trying to socially engineer local government in
the big urban areas. And what I found was that
people don't understand the justice system. It's an assembly line.
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You have cops, you have prosecutors, you have judges, you
have jail, prison, probation, parole. They don't know who's responsible
for what. But they don't want to be endangered by
people who are violent and out on the street, and
many in Houston from our judges elected local Democratic judges
allowed people out on fifteen and sixteen bonds. The absurdity
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of arresting somebody and then letting them out, arresting them
and letting them out. They would let fugitives out that
crime stoppers would put rewards out on so that we
could catch them and they would be out on a
personal recognizance bond. This is unacceptable, but it took our
public a long time to really understand it was judges
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doing this. They were democratically elected, and we saw correction
during the twenty twenty four elections, and I think we're
going to see further corrections in twenty two twenty six.
I know that I'm supporting Republican candidates and I'm still
a Democrat on paper, but at the primary voting places
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as well, and this time I'm going to have to
say the Republicans are offering a more common sense position
on not just crime, but on many topics.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And that's what's made me.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Much more aligned with Republicans these days than with Democrats.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
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You said something earlier that crimes, all crimes can be
solved with DNA. We have the ability to solve these crimes.
So many states have a ton of unsolved crimes on
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their caseload.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And if we look at just the state.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Of Michigan where I'm from, or the state of Illinois
where we see Chicago, we have a massive amount of
unsolved crimes just in this Midwest area. And you know,
we hear people saying, all the president doesn't need to
send troops into or a National Guard into Chicago, But
what about the people who have lost their family members
and they have no closure, and they know those people
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are still out on the streets. And in Michigan, we
don't have enough crime labs to do what you're saying.
That's where you say, gosh, these are the things that
politicians don't talk about, but they should talk about.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Why aren't we capable of solving the crimes.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It is not for lack of evidence, it's for lack
of tools to analyze the evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And that's something I think we should be looking at
as well.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
It's funding, and that's where Republicans can really make a
difference and make gains at the polls by.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Funding the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
The essentials in government and in law enforcement, and our
DNA and crime labs are essential. We're underfunded here in Houston.
I complained about it, and complained about it. I went
to city council, I went to the commissioners, and you know,
you get a lot of lip service. Now we have
a mayor in Houston, another Democrat treated much like I've
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been treated as an outcast in the party, as somebody
who because we don't agree with every single thing that
Bernie Sanders or AOC says.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And by the way, I agree with very few.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Of those things, if any, we're suddenly not good Democrats.
And because of that, I said, you're right, I'm a
bad Democrat, but I believe in law and order we
must fund our crime labs.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I have to argue they're not Democrats.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Tell me, I mean, I don't think that AOC and
Bernie Sanders are Democrats.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't think that that makes you bad.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, yes, if you don't agree with them, that doesn't
make you a bad Democrat that maybe makes you a
real Democrat.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, let me tell you who is really fueling the fire.
I think it's I think it's national and local media.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
We see a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
In print media of misinformation, deliberate misinformation spins on things
like bail reform, cashless bail reform. We hear is working
just great. Well, I'm talking to hundreds of families each
year that who've lost you know, their loved ones in
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horrible ways, like Joscelyn's rape and murder here in Houston
in June of twenty twenty four, some to illegal aliens,
and this desire and promotion by the media to once
again villainize Ice, to empathize with illegal immigrants. We're all
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for legal immigration. Our countries founded by immigrants, but we're
for legal imag and we're all for helping people. But
violent folks don't want.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
To be helped.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
They need to be separated from our community.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I think.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's the basics have just been lost by the Democratic Party,
both nationally and locally. I think normal people will continue
to make these corrections, and they are going to vote
more Republican if crime continues and Democratic socialists continue to
push this agenda of pro criminal I can't see it
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any other way. Open borders pro crime, bad policies that
result in tragedies for ordinary families.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It just isn't going to keep selling.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And I think people have wised up to a lot
of the media and they're watching programs like yours well.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I think that what we're seeing with this defense
of illegal immigration is interesting because you know, when Obama
in office, the Democrats were absolutely not for illegal immigration.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
He was considered the deporter in chief.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
They were supportive of that, they were supportive of immigration reform.
I do know that, and I haven't heard that talked
about in many, many years now. I would say it's
shocking to me that I've heard all of this about
like open borders letting these people in the humanitarian issue
of allowing people to come in from other countries, but
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there has been no solution in we need more judges,
we need more cases to come through, we need more
opportunity for these people.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And you have the people that do it right and
they wait your years for it, and then you have
these people that come across the border.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You pointed out that one of the murderers in the
Jocelyn Nunger a case had actually raped an American citizen
in Costa Rica, and that was like exposing that truth
was way.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Too much for the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Well, they really came after me. You know.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
It's all an allegation until it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But a citizen did come forward and did identify one
of the accused murderers in Joscelyn's case. And because we
have a Soros da who was promoted and defeated me
in a primary, I've watched him dismiss case after case
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after case for political cronies, our public corruption prosecutions that
we worked so hard to bring before the public because
nobody likes being cheated out of their tax dollars. We
saw those being dismissed. We've seen a huge dismissal rate
of violent offenders. And I was very concerned that other
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victims out there might be disillusioned, to disillusioned to come forward,
if there were other victims, that this woman who did
come forward might feel abandoned. And so the public has
a right to know just how dangerous the people they're
dealing with in our justice system are. And it's true,
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everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but I put together
a committee that reviewed all of our capital murder cases
in Harris County, and they felt there was sufficient evidence
in the case to move forward for the death penalty.
I announced we were going to seek the death penalty
while I was DA and literally a judge has threatened
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to hold me in contempt for announcing the death penalty
that we would seek it against these murders, and for
violating what he calls a gag orderer and what I
call a violation of my First Amendment rights. They've even
tried to silence the victim's mother and grandfather and family.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And courts have.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
No right to, in a free country, to limit the
free speech the child. They don't have the right to
prevent free speech at all. But literally, a democratic judge,
the Soros prosecutor, joined with the defense to hold me
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in contempt instead of pushing for trial against the murderers.
It's an absurd situation. I was cleared by the State
Bar of Texas a week ago, which I'm grateful to
my lawyers for helping get that done. And we'll see
what happens with this contempt action. It was based on
the state bar complaint, and so we intend to file
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emotion to dismiss. But let me tell you, it's no
fun to be villainized as the chief law enforcement officer
in the fourth biggest jurisdiction in the country for simply
doing my job well.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And I think it's important for us to point out
that this was a twelve year old girl, a twelve
year old who was violently raped and murdered. And I
cannot imagine. I have two twelve year old daughters. I
cannot imagine what that mother is still going through to
this day. And to be told to be villainized and
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to be told that you can't speak about it.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
What has this country come to If.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
We get to the point where we say you, as
the victim, have no rights, it's shocking to me.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
It is, and that's why we have to fight back.
We need to elect people who want to do things,
not be someone. We need real leadership in the country,
and it's an opportunity for Republican candidates all across America
to advance on common sense public safety issues where we
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simply agree that violent people should be separated. We're not
making personal judgments. That's for the Higher Court, as we call.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
God.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
But on Earth, we have the laws of Man. It's
important they're enforced. That gives us an orderly society where
people can make the greatest living in the world. It's
the best country in the world. But if we lose
control of our streets through bad democratic policies that have
already failed that they keep clinging to, then our country
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will fail. So I look forward to greater leadership out
of the Red team this time around. I think you're
going to see corrections and I want them to end
this government shut down because the more we have people
doing their jobs unpaid or facing criticism like they are
at ICE and in other places in the government for
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simply doing their job. It's not a popularity contest. Laws
are passed by our government. We don't have to like
them all. If you don't like them, change them, but
do it the right way, not through defunding through elections.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Let's take a quick commercial break. Will continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You've been a huge opponent and you mentioned it to
ending cash bail Give us a little bit, give us
some education on that, because I think people hear that.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
But you know, if you've never.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Been in a situation where you've needed cash bail or
you know someone, you don't really know what that means.
So what is the impact of ending that? What does
it due to the country.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
So this push by Democrats over the last seven years
to end bail entirely is one of the most bizarre
platform positions I've seen any party take. It makes sense
that if somebody commits a crime and they are captured
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and they're sufficient evidence to bring that case forward, that
we would want to hold that violent person in custody
until could be heard. And that's why we need funding.
The labs are so important, and yet we had to
push by the Democratic Party to vail entirely or just
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to let people out.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
For free, no skin in the game whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That makes no sense and it endangers everyone to have
people who are charged with serious crimes let out with
no depoosit, no security that they will return to court,
and no protection for their neighbors. You know, if they're
in custody, we at least know where they are and.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
We can try them.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So the push for cashless bail is a senseless, senseless
policy position.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I fought against it because.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I saw the direct impact, which was a huge spike
in crime, and that that is probably the single biggest reason,
and we've seen a spike in crime in urban areas
in the country because cashless bail was pushed by the
Democrats in all the major areas through their prosecutors. I
pushed back as a Democrat because it didn't make any
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sense and it got a lot of people hurt and killed.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I know the state of Texas is very lucky to
have you. I appreciate having you on the podcast today.
I think it's rare that we see someone who's willing
to come out and say I am with this. This
is my party, but I'm willing to cross the line
for people who I think are doing the right thing.
It is really truly country over party. You look at
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it that way. I appreciate that. I wish we could
see more people like that. Former District Attorney Kim Ogg,
thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Thanks so much for bringing these issues to light. The
public needs reporters, and they need people like you who
will give time to an issue, let us explain it
and then let people decide for themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I appreciate that you.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Thank you so much, and thank you all for joining
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Speaker 2 (25:16):
Thank you so much and have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As you all know,
and as you've all seen over the past few weeks,
the Democrat Party is changing, and not all Democrats are
eager to accept those changes.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
But it's weird because it seems like if you.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Step away, and I don't mean step away from the
party completely, but I'm saying, if you step away from
those radical ideals, you get this intense reaction. And my
guest today, former District Attorney of Harris County, Texas, Kim Ogg,
is one of those people that has experienced some of
that blowback from just stepping away from some of the
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Democrat ideals. Welcome, former district Attorney. We're so pleased to
have you on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I think your topic is relevant and a lot of
people feel exactly like you stated that the parties moved
away from common sense and things that we all used
to agree on that weren't considered partisan, such as crime.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's interesting because this morning I was on Newsmax and
they were playing a clip from one of the national
TV shows and this woman said, I have been a
Democrat for my entire life, a lifelong Democrat, And you
know this is decades of being a Democrat, and I
have seen the party change, change, change, And she said,
I identify with Bernie Sanders, and anyone who doesn't is
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not a Democrat. And I was shocked. I thought, what,
that's the change.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Wouldn't you say that's the change.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I would say that the last democratic socialist that we
read about in history was in Germany, in pre war Germany,
and that this concept that the government is supposed to
provide everything for us is wrong. What the government is
supposed to provide and what we all used to agree on.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Is public safety.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
That we need to be able to go to the
store without getting robbed, that we need to allow kids
to be able to play in our yards, that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
What we see under bad democratic policies related to public
safety are cashless bail and thousands of murders that just
don't have to happen. And that's the murders. There's a
lot of rapes and robberies when people are out on
bond and they have no skin in the game. Their
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mother's house isn't up, we're not seeing trials for.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Years and years.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
You get mayhem in the neighborhood. And I find that
regular people, including Democrats, don't want to live next to
a murderer or a rapist on cashless bail. They think
that person should be in jail, held pre trial, with
a quick trial, and that's how things.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Should be, and that's how they used to be.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
And it's been a huge shock to me as a
district's attorney in the fourth largest jurisdiction in the country,
to watch Democrats in control of some of our major
urban areas, including Houston, go to the this pro crime
agenda and act as though victims are the villains.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh yes, and the criminals are the good guys. That's
just not the way it is.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That has shocked me, the protection for the criminal.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And I will say on both sides, I've seen these
weird changes in certain people in the parties as well,
and there seems to be I don't know if it's
the improvement or the invention of social media. I don't
know what it is, but there is this desire to
be personally famous in politics, which I think is a
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terrible situation, and I think we've seen that. To me,
has been what's pulled the Democrats to the socialist side.
You at AOC, you have Bernie Sanders who started it.
You've got Mom Donnie Now who is out there, and
they are like these these characters that people just want
to follow.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And even Marjorie Taylor Green on our side.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I heard her the other day on Megan Kelly's show
saying that she is mad because Speaker Johnson should have
kept the government, should have kept the House in session
during the government shutdown, because they could have been passing bills.
And I thought, that's bizarre to me that that's your focus.
When you don't have the actual fundamentals of government are
not there. You're not funding law enforcement, you're not funding
(04:18):
our military. You get to the point where you start
to have the fundamentals of government used as a weapon
against the people to get what you want politically. And
I feel like that is what we are seeing right
now in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's shocking to me. But having you on here from.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Texas, it is really shocking to me because you were involved.
You were the district attorney when the Jocelyn Nungary case
first came out.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I was, and I have become close to the family.
There is a new victims rights group that is formed
not just around this case, but around thousands of murders
that occurred my eight year two terms. We filed more
than three thy five hundred murders. Just imagine the math.
(05:09):
That's more than one a day. So I met not
just Joscelyn Nungerra's family after her incredibly horrible death and murder,
but I met thousands of other families in the same position.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And these are not statistics.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
These are people's brothers, mothers, husbands, wives, children. It didn't
have to happen. It doesn't have to keep happening. Criminal justice.
In the age of DNA and the Internet and so
many technological advances, almost any crime can be solved. What's
weird is that people don't seem to want to solve them.
(05:52):
Some people, some people in the Democratic Party and some
people in power who act more like social influencers than
real leaders.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Because it takes guts.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
To stand up against the inevitable criticism that you receive online.
My thought is, you know online doesn't vote, either, does
do huge contributions.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
By people like George Soros.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
People vote, and it's people that we're supposed to be
serving in government, and the first duty of government is
to keep us safe. So we are failing, I think,
in this country, and it's the political system that's failing us.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And that's just.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Going to require people getting off their phones, being involved,
knowing who their judges. DA's local government is not just
the folks we elect to Congress.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, that has been something that we on the Republican
side have just started to sadly, just started to figure
out these prosecutors, the district attorneys.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We need to be aware of their ideology. Because you have.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Stated, and I want to mention this, you have stated
that it is not a partisan position. However it has
become a partisan position. Why why has it become a
partisan position? I mean, the law is the law, right,
It's like math. It either is or it isn't.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I say that all the time. The law is a
simple math problem.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You apply the law to the facts, and there's either
sufficient evidence for somebody to be held in jail and
convicted or there's not.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So you're correct. It was never intended to be partisan.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yet we've seen leftist Democrats throw race into the conversation,
which is like gasoline on fire, because we do have
a divide in the country between black and brown and white,
but we don't disagree and never really disagreed overprotecting ourselves
(07:51):
and our family and our expectation that law enforcement would
do that. And when race was injected, especially during the
George Floyd riots and protests, what we saw was a
movement to defund police with no alternative option behind it,
(08:16):
as though people were just going to stop robbing and
raping and pillaging. And while I don't agree with what
happened to George Floyd, I think that the murder conviction
was valid based on the evidence that I read about.
My thought is that you don't wipe out an entire
system because somebody did something wrong or handled a situation inappropriately.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And someone died.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That was terrible, but it doesn't mean you throw out
the entire system. And so I think that the Democratic
Socialists took that, they took advantage of the situtuation and
they really began trying to socially engineer local government in
the big urban areas. And what I found was that
people don't understand the justice system. It's an assembly line.
(09:04):
You have cops, you have prosecutors, you have judges, you
have jail, prison, probation, parole. They don't know who's responsible
for what. But they don't want to be endangered by
people who are violent and out on the street, and
many in Houston from our judges elected local Democratic judges
allowed people out on fifteen and sixteen bonds. The absurdity
(09:28):
of arresting somebody and then letting them out, arresting them
and letting them out. They would let fugitives out that
crime stoppers would put rewards out on so that we
could catch them and they would be out on a
personal recognizance bond. This is unacceptable, but it took our
public a long time to really understand it was judges
(09:50):
doing this. They were democratically elected, and we saw correction
during the twenty twenty four elections, and I think we're
going to see further corrections in twenty two twenty six.
I know that I'm supporting Republican candidates and I'm still
a Democrat on paper, but at the primary voting places
(10:10):
as well, and this time I'm going to have to
say the Republicans are offering a more common sense position
on not just crime, but on many topics.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And that's what's made me.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Much more aligned with Republicans these days than with Democrats.
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You said something earlier that crimes, all crimes can be
solved with DNA. We have the ability to solve these crimes.
So many states have a ton of unsolved crimes on
(12:04):
their caseload.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And if we look at just the state.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Of Michigan where I'm from, or the state of Illinois
where we see Chicago, we have a massive amount of
unsolved crimes just in this Midwest area. And you know,
we hear people saying, all the president doesn't need to
send troops into or a National Guard into Chicago, But
what about the people who have lost their family members
and they have no closure, and they know those people
(12:28):
are still out on the streets. And in Michigan, we
don't have enough crime labs to do what you're saying.
That's where you say, gosh, these are the things that
politicians don't talk about, but they should talk about.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Why aren't we capable of solving the crimes.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It is not for lack of evidence, it's for lack
of tools to analyze the evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And that's something I think we should be looking at
as well.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
It's funding, and that's where Republicans can really make a
difference and make gains at the polls by.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Funding the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
The essentials in government and in law enforcement, and our
DNA and crime labs are essential. We're underfunded here in Houston.
I complained about it, and complained about it. I went
to city council, I went to the commissioners, and you know,
you get a lot of lip service. Now we have
a mayor in Houston, another Democrat treated much like I've
(13:22):
been treated as an outcast in the party, as somebody
who because we don't agree with every single thing that
Bernie Sanders or AOC says.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And by the way, I agree with very few.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Of those things, if any, we're suddenly not good Democrats.
And because of that, I said, you're right, I'm a
bad Democrat, but I believe in law and order we
must fund our crime labs.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I have to argue they're not Democrats.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Tell me, I mean, I don't think that AOC and
Bernie Sanders are Democrats.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't think that that makes you bad.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, yes, if you don't agree with them, that doesn't
make you a bad Democrat that maybe makes you a
real Democrat.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, let me tell you who is really fueling the fire.
I think it's I think it's national and local media.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
We see a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
In print media of misinformation, deliberate misinformation spins on things
like bail reform, cashless bail reform. We hear is working
just great. Well, I'm talking to hundreds of families each
year that who've lost you know, their loved ones in
(14:32):
horrible ways, like Joscelyn's rape and murder here in Houston
in June of twenty twenty four, some to illegal aliens,
and this desire and promotion by the media to once
again villainize Ice, to empathize with illegal immigrants. We're all
(14:54):
for legal immigration. Our countries founded by immigrants, but we're
for legal imag and we're all for helping people. But
violent folks don't want.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
To be helped.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
They need to be separated from our community.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I think.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's the basics have just been lost by the Democratic Party,
both nationally and locally. I think normal people will continue
to make these corrections, and they are going to vote
more Republican if crime continues and Democratic socialists continue to
push this agenda of pro criminal I can't see it
(15:35):
any other way. Open borders pro crime, bad policies that
result in tragedies for ordinary families.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It just isn't going to keep selling.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And I think people have wised up to a lot
of the media and they're watching programs like yours well.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I think that what we're seeing with this defense
of illegal immigration is interesting because you know, when Obama
in office, the Democrats were absolutely not for illegal immigration.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
He was considered the deporter in chief.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
They were supportive of that, they were supportive of immigration reform.
I do know that, and I haven't heard that talked
about in many, many years now. I would say it's
shocking to me that I've heard all of this about
like open borders letting these people in the humanitarian issue
of allowing people to come in from other countries, but
(16:28):
there has been no solution in we need more judges,
we need more cases to come through, we need more
opportunity for these people.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And you have the people that do it right and
they wait your years for it, and then you have
these people that come across the border.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You pointed out that one of the murderers in the
Jocelyn Nunger a case had actually raped an American citizen
in Costa Rica, and that was like exposing that truth
was way.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Too much for the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Well, they really came after me. You know.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
It's all an allegation until it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But a citizen did come forward and did identify one
of the accused murderers in Joscelyn's case. And because we
have a Soros da who was promoted and defeated me
in a primary, I've watched him dismiss case after case
(17:24):
after case for political cronies, our public corruption prosecutions that
we worked so hard to bring before the public because
nobody likes being cheated out of their tax dollars. We
saw those being dismissed. We've seen a huge dismissal rate
of violent offenders. And I was very concerned that other
(17:46):
victims out there might be disillusioned, to disillusioned to come forward,
if there were other victims, that this woman who did
come forward might feel abandoned. And so the public has
a right to know just how dangerous the people they're
dealing with in our justice system are. And it's true,
(18:09):
everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but I put together
a committee that reviewed all of our capital murder cases
in Harris County, and they felt there was sufficient evidence
in the case to move forward for the death penalty.
I announced we were going to seek the death penalty
while I was DA and literally a judge has threatened
(18:33):
to hold me in contempt for announcing the death penalty
that we would seek it against these murders, and for
violating what he calls a gag orderer and what I
call a violation of my First Amendment rights. They've even
tried to silence the victim's mother and grandfather and family.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And courts have.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
No right to, in a free country, to limit the
free speech the child. They don't have the right to
prevent free speech at all. But literally, a democratic judge,
the Soros prosecutor, joined with the defense to hold me
(19:17):
in contempt instead of pushing for trial against the murderers.
It's an absurd situation. I was cleared by the State
Bar of Texas a week ago, which I'm grateful to
my lawyers for helping get that done. And we'll see
what happens with this contempt action. It was based on
the state bar complaint, and so we intend to file
(19:39):
emotion to dismiss. But let me tell you, it's no
fun to be villainized as the chief law enforcement officer
in the fourth biggest jurisdiction in the country for simply
doing my job well.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And I think it's important for us to point out
that this was a twelve year old girl, a twelve
year old who was violently raped and murdered. And I
cannot imagine. I have two twelve year old daughters. I
cannot imagine what that mother is still going through to
this day. And to be told to be villainized and
(20:12):
to be told that you can't speak about it.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
What has this country come to If.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
We get to the point where we say you, as
the victim, have no rights, it's shocking to me.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
It is, and that's why we have to fight back.
We need to elect people who want to do things,
not be someone. We need real leadership in the country,
and it's an opportunity for Republican candidates all across America
to advance on common sense public safety issues where we
(20:45):
simply agree that violent people should be separated. We're not
making personal judgments. That's for the Higher Court, as we call.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
God.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
But on Earth, we have the laws of Man. It's
important they're enforced. That gives us an orderly society where
people can make the greatest living in the world. It's
the best country in the world. But if we lose
control of our streets through bad democratic policies that have
already failed that they keep clinging to, then our country
(21:21):
will fail. So I look forward to greater leadership out
of the Red team this time around. I think you're
going to see corrections and I want them to end
this government shut down because the more we have people
doing their jobs unpaid or facing criticism like they are
at ICE and in other places in the government for
(21:42):
simply doing their job. It's not a popularity contest. Laws
are passed by our government. We don't have to like
them all. If you don't like them, change them, but
do it the right way, not through defunding through elections.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Let's take a quick commercial break. Will continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You've been a huge opponent and you mentioned it to
ending cash bail Give us a little bit, give us
some education on that, because I think people hear that.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
But you know, if you've never.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Been in a situation where you've needed cash bail or
you know someone, you don't really know what that means.
So what is the impact of ending that? What does
it due to the country.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
So this push by Democrats over the last seven years
to end bail entirely is one of the most bizarre
platform positions I've seen any party take. It makes sense
that if somebody commits a crime and they are captured
(22:51):
and they're sufficient evidence to bring that case forward, that
we would want to hold that violent person in custody
until could be heard. And that's why we need funding.
The labs are so important, and yet we had to
push by the Democratic Party to vail entirely or just
(23:14):
to let people out.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
For free, no skin in the game whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That makes no sense and it endangers everyone to have
people who are charged with serious crimes let out with
no depoosit, no security that they will return to court,
and no protection for their neighbors. You know, if they're
in custody, we at least know where they are and.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
We can try them.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So the push for cashless bail is a senseless, senseless
policy position.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I fought against it because.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I saw the direct impact, which was a huge spike
in crime, and that that is probably the single biggest reason,
and we've seen a spike in crime in urban areas
in the country because cashless bail was pushed by the
Democrats in all the major areas through their prosecutors. I
pushed back as a Democrat because it didn't make any
(24:15):
sense and it got a lot of people hurt and killed.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I know the state of Texas is very lucky to
have you. I appreciate having you on the podcast today.
I think it's rare that we see someone who's willing
to come out and say I am with this. This
is my party, but I'm willing to cross the line
for people who I think are doing the right thing.
It is really truly country over party. You look at
(24:40):
it that way. I appreciate that. I wish we could
see more people like that. Former District Attorney Kim Ogg,
thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Thanks so much for bringing these issues to light. The
public needs reporters, and they need people like you who
will give time to an issue, let us explain it
and then let people decide for themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I appreciate that you.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Thank you so much, and thank you all for joining
the podcast for this episode and others go to Tutor
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Speaker 2 (25:16):
Thank you so much and have a blessed day.
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