Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 14 2025

TDS is Real

Clay and Buck talk about new trade deals struck by President Donald Trump with Ecuador, Guatemala, El Salvador, and Argentina, aimed at lowering tariffs on key goods like beef and coffee. They highlight how these agreements reflect the administration’s focus on economic growth and affordability, especially as inflation continues to impact everyday Americans.

The conversation pivots to the political ramifications of what they label the “Schumer Shutdown,” with White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt delivering a scathing critique of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and the Democratic Party. Clay and Buck argue that the shutdown was a strategic failure for Democrats, causing unnecessary pain for American families and military personnel while yielding no policy victories. Vice President JD Vance is praised for his leadership and messaging, particularly his criticism of Democrats for prolonging the shutdown despite having previously agreed to the same spending deal.

Clay and Buck explore the broader psychological and cultural impact of what they call “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” referencing a Wall Street Journal article and Buck’s upcoming book, Manufacturing Delusion. They argue that political hysteria, media manipulation, and identity politics have created a climate of irrationality, particularly among left-leaning voters. This leads to a discussion of fabricated racial incidents in sports, including the Bubba Wallace noose story and LeBron James’ unsubstantiated vandalism claim, which they say reflect a pattern of media-driven mass delusion.

Things That Make Us Go Hmmm...

deep dive into the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, the California gubernatorial race, and the broader failures of Democrat-led governance. The hour opens with President Donald Trump’s explosive post on Truth Social, calling for a federal investigation into Epstein’s financial ties with prominent Democrats including Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and institutions like JP Morgan Chase. Clay and Buck argue that renewed focus on Epstein is a strategic distraction by Democrats to deflect from the political damage caused by the recent government shutdown. They assert that if Trump had any real connection to Epstein’s crimes, Democrats would have weaponized it years ago during their aggressive legal campaigns against him.

The hosts explore the mystery surrounding Epstein’s wealth, questioning how someone with no major business ventures or hedge fund credentials could amass hundreds of millions of dollars. They highlight suspicious wire transfers, unexplained real estate gifts, and the lack of transparency from major banks. Buck shares insights from XAI search results, noting that no definitive public explanation exists for Epstein’s financial empire, which raises serious questions about institutional accountability and political protection.

Steve Hilton for CA Gov!

Interview with Republican gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton. Hilton criticizes Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass for their failure to rebuild homes destroyed in wildfires nearly a year ago. He describes a bureaucratic nightmare where residents are trapped in a loop between insurance companies and permitting offices, despite public promises of streamlined recovery. Hilton also slams California’s water mismanagement, accusing state leaders of wasting valuable rainwater to protect the delta smelt instead of supporting agriculture in the Central Valley.

Hilton outlines his campaign platform, which includes $3 gas, cutting electric bills in half, eliminating state income tax on the first $100,000 of income, and ending abusive litigation practices that target small businesses. He explains how California’s Private Attorney General Act has enabled trial lawyers to file extortionate lawsuits, costing businesses millions annually. Hilton promises to appoint reform-minded officials to dismantle these systems without needing legislative approval.

The interview also touches on the political climate in San Francisco and San Jose, where pragmatic Democrat mayors are beginning to reject far-left policies. Hilton argues that California’s one-party rule has led to systemic failure across education, affordability, and public safety, and calls for balanced governance. He shares his experience as a senior advisor in the UK government and emphasizes his readiness to implement executive reforms from day one.

Be Open to Being Wrong

A major announcement from the U.S. State Department designating several European Antifa factions as foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs), including groups based in Germany, Italy, and Greece. Buck Sexton explains the legal and financial implications of this designation, emphasizing the shift in how the U

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay, Travis
and Buck Sexton Show, known to many of you as
the Clay and Buck Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Same show. Very important.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
We've got a lot to talk to you about on
this lovely Friday. I cannot believe how close Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Actually is already.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
We will get into some debates and discussions in the
next few weeks about cobbler, for example, and some of
the most delectable, the most delectable of dessert treats. Some
of you Southerners are going to get are gonna get
fired up again as we discuss your favorite various Thanksgiving sides.
I don't even know what they are. Sometimes there's these

(00:43):
these funky names. We will have discussions about all of
that and also some very important things that are going on,
no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Like first up, we got Trump.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
The White House has struck new trade deals with four
countries Ecuador, Guatemala, El Salvador, and Argentina to lower tariffs
on select goods like beef and yes, Clay coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thank you crocked coffee, because we did look into getting
coffee from Hawaii. Like everything else in Hawaii, it is
muy expensivo. It is very is that actually how you
say it in Spanish? I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It is very probably not probably, this seems unlikely, but
it's I think I just made that's not. I don't
speak any Spanish, so I feel good about the MOI,
but I don't know right I'd leaned.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Into the MOI.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
But the rest of it I took French and Arabic
in school, so you can make of that what you will. Anyway,
there's these new trade deals BS for Crocket coffee. That's
always exciting too. Go subscribe Crocket Coffee dot com because
the tariffs are gonna affect the price of coffee, just
like it's affecting a lot of other things right now.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You see, You've also got jd Vance weigh in on
the housing crisis. Pete haigseeth the Secretary of I have
to keep saying it just so that it gets redone
in my mind, you know, so that everyone doesn't have
to keep on sending in.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's the Secretary of War, now, I know. But it's
been a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I used to work with DoD folks, and I
used to I used to brief the Secretary of Defense
on occasion. It's not really something that comes that naturally
to me, so I'm working on it. But Hegseth has
announced an operation to remove narco terrorists from our hemisphere,
so it feels like that is something that is going
to be heating up. We've already discussed some of the

(02:34):
deployments of US military forces into the Caribbean way more
than we've seen in a very long time. And then,
of course, Clay, we have the designation of Antifa abroad
as an international terrorist organization.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's something we should discuss.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
But first stuff, I did want to just dive into
this Caroline Levitt off the top rope here on the
Schumer shutdown, and I do think it will be known
increasingly to everybody as the Schumer shutdown, because it was
very much pushed by Chuck Schumer and some of the
Democrats around him. But here is the White House Press

(03:11):
Secretary at play.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Cut one, President Trump and Republicans shellacked Chuck Schumer and
the entire Democrat Party.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
After forty three days.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Of Chuck standing out there trying to bravely hold the
country hostage and inflict massive pain on the American public,
Chuck got absolutely nothing and now the knives.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Are out for him.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
The Democrat Party is in complete disarray, and the truth
is they have been for ten years since President Trump
came on the political scene. They ran Senator Jillibrand and
Senator Mansion out of town. Now they're running Chucky Schumer
out of town. It's too bad. He turned into a Palestinian.
He did it for nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
There you go. That was last night on Fox. Clay.
I do think that.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
The Democrat this is a big l for them. This
is a big loss going up on the board. Although
they could point to these elections, I think they were
going to win those elections anyway. Honestly, I don't think
there were any surprises. This is Democrat states, or at
least Democrat momentum in a place like Virginia.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I think Jay Jones is the only one where you
look at and you say, boy, this was disgusting. I mean,
the attorney general who said that he wanted to kill
a political opponent's kids and piss on their graves. I'm
not sure what the official standard for behavior is, but
I would say, yeah, you know, that's a tough one
to get past. And I think candidly, I don't think

(04:38):
Republicans would have voted for someone who said that. I mean,
there's been a lot of evidence. You can go to
Alabama for instance, where the Democrat candidate won.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Remember Roy Moore.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
There were the hit pieces that came out against him,
the judge that would have won, and then the Washington
Post came out and had a story about his alleged
involvement with young girls. And I'm not trying to re
litigate that case in any way. I'm just saying in Alabama,
which is a deeper red state, as a result, a

(05:12):
Democrat ended up winning that Senate seat, that was Republicans
saying yeah, we can't roll with this. I think good, decent, honorable,
reasonable Democrats should have said, yeah, we'll stick with Jason
miaras he's already the existing attorney general, and we shouldn't
reward people who say things like what Jay Jones said. Now,

(05:36):
the dark side of that election is some Democrats actually
may have voted for him because he said that, which
is meaning, you know, not only were they looking past
what he said, some of them said, you know what,
I agree with him. There was a great Trump derangement
syndrome article in Yesterday's Wall Street Journal Buck saying that

(05:56):
it basically meets all the clinical definitions of it. Was
a psychiatrist basically walking through that Trump derangement syndrome is
real that and not in substantial number of people out
there have lost the ability to be rational and reasonable
in any way based on their antipathy for Trump. And

(06:17):
I think that's true for a lot of people out there,
and it happened in the Ags race.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I think it's also really important to note that my book,
which is coming out in February, which is called Manufacturing
Delusion and available for pre order right now on Amazon,
Clay goes into exactly that how do you make people
politically crazy, as in delusional and not able to see reality?
And clearly Trump derangement syndrome is the most apparent manifestation

(06:46):
of that that we see right now. There was the
COVID madness, there's the trans stuff, There's a whole bunch
of things, but there is a clear ability and it,
unfortunately is very prominent in America these days to make
a lot of people really nuts in the service of
a political agenda to believe crazy things. And that is

(07:06):
very scary because it is when people believe untrue and
crazy things that terrible things happen to societies. Go get
the pre order now. Manufacturing delusion, that's what we call it.
That's what I just did.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Right before this show, I did a fun Zoom podcast
show with Will Caine, who obviously has a show on
Fox News. Now your longtime friend, but we talked a
lot about the delusion. If you had been a diehard
sports fan, Buck, I think you would have seen so
much of the delusion going on in the world of sports,

(07:43):
and certainly saying men can be women as part of it.
But even just going through it was fun to kind
of go through some of these crazy stories. Over the
last week, there have been a lot of just justy
smalllette style stories made up in sports Lebron for instance.
For those of you out in LA, you'll remember this.
It almost gets no attention. He I think, falsely claimed

(08:06):
that somebody scrolled a racial slur on his twenty million
dollar mansion in LA, the Brentwood area of LA. And
I went through and did an investigation, called the police,
asked for police reports, the kind of things that someone
who is in media should do, and the LA police
just dropped that case and said we'd have found no

(08:27):
evidence that there was ever a crime committed. Most people
have no idea that happened, because at least Fox News exists.
In the world of politics, the New York Post exists,
there are entities that will kind of go in Shepherd
and look into stories like these. Now OutKick does. Certainly
there are hardly anything in sports where people will actually

(08:49):
ask these questions and say, wait a minute. Lebronesse small
letted that entire racial slur on the Gate store. Yes,
I think the evidence is that he did, but because
nobody covered it, it is kind of just a vanishing story.
Remember the Bubble Wallace noose story that averaged a hysteria
for sure absurd that NASCAR was super racist and that

(09:12):
some guy decided, Hey, I'm gonna send a message. We're
going to have a noose in Bubble Wallace. And then
the FBI got called in. The FBI and they did
a big investigation, and they were like, this has been
here for years, and it's actually a common way to
tie anot That was the conclusion. It's just I think
these things would tie in well with your book. But yeah,

(09:32):
I hope we're coming out of them. But I'm a
little bit afraid that we might.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Not well, I even there's even a whole trans chapter,
and of course deal with the Riley Gain situation, and
that guy who was a girl who's or pretended to
be a girl to swim, and the fact that people
go along with this stuff. And I'll say this, the
fact that people sit around and pretend like Donald Trump
is Hitler is crazy. And then that there are news
shows where they still talk about the rise of fascism

(09:57):
and they speak about Trump in a way that is
meant to terrify emotionally and psychologically weak people. Now, I
mean that it is not meant to amuse them. It
is meant to terrify the psychologically weak in the audience
of the New York Times the other and there's a
lot of neurotic people often confuse IQ with psychological strength.

(10:20):
Not true at all. A lot of very high IQ
people actually have tremendous difficulties dealing with.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
The world around them.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yes, famously, you could see like that guy Nash from
a Beautiful Mind if we've seen movies about this, others
the correlation between even genius and delusion and psychological issues.
Howard Hughes, I mean, there's all kinds of stuff right
where you can point to this and see My point
here is that there are a lot of very psychologically

(10:48):
fragile people who have coalesced. And this is true if
you look at things like heavy SSRI usage, you look
at rates of self described depression, anxiety, all this clusters
on the left side of the political aisle, and so
their media apparatus is constantly feeding into their neuroses and

(11:09):
their actual.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Phobias they have. There are trumphobic people out there. I
had a friend in college, a good friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Who was always a lib. He texts me, He's like,
what are you going to do when the stormtroopers are
pulling you and like your friends off the street. And
I felt bad for him, Like, you really think that
that's going to happen? You live in an alternate universe.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
They really do.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
And the delusional nature of this, I think many of you.
Here's the positive. I think there are tons of you
out there listening right now that have come to see
the truth. And I think every day and every week
and every month, we add a few more people out.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
There insanity world.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And the reason that I would be optimistic about this,
some of you would say, Okay, Clay, what are you
basing that optimism in the number of people who didn't
vote Trump in twenty sixteen that by twenty twenty four
did vote Trump.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
It is an.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Extraordinary increase in Trump's support. And you know, you go
back to twenty sixteen, I think it was sixty four
million ish people voted for Donald Trump. A lot of
those people over the years ahead have have passed away.
So we probably have added twenty million Trump voters between

(12:32):
twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four. That's a sign that
sanity will win. But boy, it's been a battle, buck.
And that's what I come back to and just look
at optimistically, is we probably have seen between twenty sixteen
and twenty twenty four around twenty million of you, many
of whom are listening to us right now. We're not

(12:53):
Trump voters in sixteen, and by twenty four they said
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nation has been going on. This is an optimistic thought
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Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
We hope all of you are having a great Friday.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
We're going to head out to LA talk with the
California gubernatorial candidate, Steve Hilton, friend of ours, about the
situation in LA. As Gavin Newsom attempts to elevate his
profile and argue that he's done a good job out
in California.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
We'll see what the latest is there.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But as we begin the second hour of the Friday
edition of the program, I teased this which has happened
in the last hour or so President Trump on Truth
Social Posts. As follows now that the Democrats are using
the Epstein hoax involving Democrats not Republicans, to try and

(15:26):
deflect from their disastrous shutdown and all of their other failures.
I will be asking A. G. Pambondi and the Department
of Justice, together with our great patriots at the FBI,
to investigate Jeffrey Epstein's involvement and relationship with Bill Clinton,

(15:46):
Larry Summers, Reid Hoffman, JP, Morgan Chase, and many other
people and institutions to determine what was going on with
them and him. This is I'm reading from President Trump
another Russia, Russia, Russia scam with all the arrows pointing
to the Democrats. Records show these men and many others

(16:09):
spent large portions of their life with Epstein and on
his island. Stay tuned, triple exclamation points. All right, So
buck you and I earlier this week said, beyond the
shadow of a doubt, what I believe is true and
what I've seen many other people, even begrudgingly people on

(16:31):
the left, come around and discuss. Which is President Trump's
association with Epstein was dropped at the time that it
was earlier this week to try to distract from the
fact that Democrats had acted a disastrous shutdown and had
suddenly decided they needed to bend the knee, and as

(16:52):
a result, they were trying to basically just distract from
a storyline that otherwise would be told associated with their
own failures. I've said for a long time, and we'll
open up the phone lines eight hundred two two two
eight eight two. It's Friday. You guys can weigh in
on this if you would like I've said for a

(17:13):
long time, if President Trump were involved in any kind
of significant way with Jeffrey Epstein, do you think Joe
Biden would have said on it for four years while
he was trying to bankrupt President Trump, while they were
going through Milania's underwear drawer at Mar A Lago, while

(17:34):
they were charging him with criminal offenses in South Florida
and in New York and in Georgia and all of
these places. Do you really think that they would have
been in the situation where they were just not paying
attention to wrongdoing that Trump was involved with Epstein. It's crazy,

(17:56):
It doesn't add up. I totally co sign on that,
and I would add to a clay. You could even
take a few steps back and say, is it likely
that maybe, just maybe the one figure who has done
more to defeat the forces of the demonic left than
anybody else in America in the last decade, that they

(18:19):
lied about in every imaginable way, the Russia collusion hoax.
They were telling everybody that he was working with Putin
on some secret Kremlin nonsense.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know that the lies that they have told about
Donald Trump are completely absurd. They lied about all that,
and then they brought four bogus criminal prosecutions. The guy
almost made up to eighty years old, never once indubted
for anything, then four all held to coincide with an
election year, and then also civil suits brought, including I mean,

(18:52):
what the Letitia James one was preposterous beyond words. What
is more likely that this is yet.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Another effort to lie about Donald Trump, to try to
bring him down, or even just to slow.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Him down a bit. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I think they know they're not going to bring him down,
but to slow him down politically or clay. After all
of those lies, they finally found the one. They found
the smoking gun in the Epstein files that they've had
for many, many, many years and gone through a million times.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Already, give me.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
A break, like, this is just this is absurd, This
is not serious. People cannot make this argument to me
and be taken seriously correct. And so Trump is now saying, okay,
if you want to aggressively go back into the Epstein story.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Why would we not?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Why would we not decide that we're going to actually
go to what is the real only mystery I think
of Epstein at this point, which is how did he
actually get all the money that he had? And I
understand some people out there like, oh, you know, you
don't really break down the difference of wealth. But there's

(20:06):
a big difference between being worth ten million dollars and
being worth one hundred million dollars. And there's a big
difference between being worth one hundred million dollars and five
hundred million dollars or seven hundred million dollars. And as
you get up in those big numbers, it becomes almost
impossible to be worth five hundred million dollars or more,

(20:30):
and they're not to be a really traceable way that
your wealth exists.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Now, maybe you inherited it.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
There's lots of super rich people out there that inherit
vast sums of money that occurs, and but that's connected
to at some point a windfall that someone in the
family got. You're a Walton air because Sam Walton did
what he did with Walmart. You're an air of the Rockefellers,
or of the Gettys, or any of these numbers of

(20:59):
these fans that are just as easy as wealth imaginable
to trace, because it's already been traced before he's got
everybody already knows.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
So, but you can't.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
But I'm just here to tell you you can't be
worth over five hundred million dollars without typically there being
something that you created, something massive that you owned and
you sold. Except for Jeffrey Epstein, How is he so

(21:27):
incredibly wealthy despite the fact that he's never really created anything.
He's never founded a company that was wildly successful, he's
never made uh you know, he's not a hedge fun
guy who has multi billions of dollars that he's managing
and he's taken a share of. It just doesn't add up.

(21:49):
And so Trump is asking, Hey, how about these banks
start to explain some of these transactions? And I think
that's a really great question, because Buck, I will tell
you the banks typically pay a lot of attention if
a million dollars is being wired from one place to another.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
I was looking and reading about this.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
There were times when there were tens of millions of
dollars being wired around to Epstein, some of these transactions
were over one hundred million dollars, Buck, Clay, in the
world is going on here?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Have you ever have you ever seen the place that
was raided on the Upper East Side in the seventies,
Have you ever told that spectacular? I mean so, I
grew up a few blocks from there, and I always
knew growing up growing up there that the townhouses between
Madison and Fifth Avenue in the sixties, the seventies and
some of the eighties truly used to belong to industrial

(22:45):
barons of the turn of the century. I mean some
of them they're now museums or their embassies or you know,
they've transformed a lot of them. But the ones that
are still lived in by people, I think they say
that that house that he lived in was a sixty
to eighty million dollar townhouse. It's a true mansion, a
mansion in one of the most expensive for square foot

(23:07):
real estate places on the planet. And he was given it.
He didn't purchase it, it was given to him. That's
a very strange move. And you look at a lot
of the other things here too.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Look this this guy.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
There's the idea that they're.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Going to be able to get away with not having
more transparency on this, I think is just that's just
going to fall by the wayside.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
They're going to.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Because now the Democrats have opened and they're selectively picking
oh what about this, what about this, trying to insinuate things.
There's no they're no wrongdoing of any kind than anything
they've released. They're just oh so and so said this
they're releasing selective hearsay from Epstein in order to try
to make at some level, I'm annoyed because now it
is working and that we're all talking about this instead

(23:58):
of the huge Democrat failure of the shutdown. We're talking
about this instead of instead of affordability, which Democrats won't
that's going to be the as Ive said, you're gonna
hear about that until we're all just so sick of
the word.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
But you know, used to be pay your fair share.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
That was the thing we were hearing from Democrats ad
nauseum in the Obama era.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Pay your fair share, Pay your fair share. It's going
to be affordability.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
But Clay, when Trump weighs in on this one, I
think he might have wrongfooted some of his critics here
because why can't we on what basis could we be
excluded from seeing the financials.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Of all of this?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's a great question. So what should I've been asking
for a long time. That's always the thing that has
not added up to me at all. And that's always
the component of this that I've heard people say, oh,
we know, and then I always say, well.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
But the public doesn't know. We should know what happened here.
That's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's a lot of money, right, I mean they went
after Donald Trump with thirty four felony charges for a
book key being not even error, just keeping the books
the way that he wanted to over What was it
one hundred and fifty grand? Oh basically yes, right, It
wasn't like something like that. It was like one hundred
something grand for the for the you know, the NDA payment.

(25:14):
And they don't they can't tell us this the idea
that he was a financial advisor too. I know something
about this. I know some financial advisors. One percent is
pretty standard in the industry. So please don't call it
and say, buck, I'll get you a great deal. You know,
I'll do half a percent, right, I'm just saying about
one percent is usually what an asset manager for individuals
will take.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Some will take two.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
But that can be a little, you know, that's all
that that People will say that feels like a lot,
especially over time. How do you get from I manage
assets for really for really wealthy people, as Jeffrey Epstein's too,
I'm worth six hundred million dollars that clay they have
found correct. This guy was operating at a level of
wealth and sophistication. I'm sure there was money stashed in

(25:58):
accounts that has not been found. And his argument, because
I've read this, the argument seems to be that he
was really good at finding tax avoidance strategies. Okay, there
are lots of those guys out there that are pretty
good at finding tax avoidance strategies. And I read some
of these emails where he's saying, Hey, I expect to

(26:19):
be paid eighty million dollars this year. It just doesn't
add up, and so I give Trump credit here. I
think this is a this is a move that's going
to make some people, can I particularly these banks.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I just want to say that the first thing that
comes up from groc Okay, for anyone.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Who says, oh it's shut up, this is non or
this is the first you grock, I will say this
is a big thing for me.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Clay, I always wondered, when am I when are those
are those leftists at Google going to lose my search business?
They have I grock now over Google every time if
I'm just looking for basic information, Grock over Google. Every
time I went into grub, which is the x Ai search.

(27:06):
For any of you who don't have it. It's very useful,
I'm gonna tell you, and it gives very good information.
I use it for a whole range of things. And
I am an I'm an investor. Just a full disclosure.
I'm an investor, also an XAI. But here's what comes up.
The origins of Jeffrey Epstein's wealth remain one of the
most debated and opaque aspects of his life. No definitive,

(27:29):
fully documented explanation has been made public. Much of what
is known has come from court documents, investigative reporting, and
statements by people who knew him, Clay, no definitive explanation
has been made public. That is unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
That is unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean they clearly could where where who was given
him the money? And there's been a financial accounting on
his death because when you die, obviously as a part
of the will in the estate, they have to figure
out what your assets are. There've been the huge lawsuits,
so the Epstein victims have gotten paid out substantial, like

(28:08):
over one hundred million dollars I think, among other dollars.
I think is even more than that. So there's been
a financial settlement of some sort there. But yeah, how
the money ever got there. Nobody can really explain how
he went from a guy buck He worked as a
teacher at a Manhattan private school, so I mean he

(28:31):
had no money, right. I mean, we probably got some
teachers out there listening in man asteral.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
His credentials to get that job too. And this guy's
been a fraudster his whole life. In addition to everything else.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
He ends up being worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
It just again, it does not add up. And I
think a lot of you out there they've skipped over
where the money came from that allowed him to even
have this lifestyle. But I think it's the most important
question out there. So Trump is saying now, and Trump
has no love lost for a lot of these banks

(29:05):
because they debanked him. As Eric Trump has come on
and talked about with us. Suddenly the Trump organization after
his first term couldn't even have bank accounts, So good
for him.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I like this move.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
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turn into the holidays here for a second.

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Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are
joined now by our friend candidate for governor of California,
Republican candidate for governor, Steve Hilton. And Steve, we appreciate
you giving us the time here on a Friday, as
I know you're campaigning all over the state. What is

(31:20):
the latest on the rebuild in LA? And I believe
there is the answer is virtually nothing. But how much
are you hearing from people that are just fed up
over the inability of people to rebuild the homes that
they lost in the wildfires?

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Coming up on nearly a year ago?

Speaker 8 (31:39):
Now, So I laughed because it's laughable, Clay, It's just unbelievable. Apologies.
It's for the noise. I'm on the road. I don't
know if you can hear in the middle of a
very major storm pouring with rain, of course, which Gavin
Newsome and the idiots in charge are going to let
run out into the ocean instead of storing it and

(32:02):
getting it to our great egg industry. I'm in the
central valley of the farmland all around me. You're not
going to get this water because they're going to send
it out to the ocean to protect the delta smelt.
That's another story on the Palisades. It's laughable. They haven't
done anything. All the time. I'm there hearing from people
who are so incredibly frustrated. They get just sent from

(32:23):
one ridiculous bit of bureaucracy to the next. They go
to the building department, it's a different person each time.
They say we can't give you a permit until you
get your insurance. You go to the insurance, they say
we can't give insurance until you get a permit, and
it's just round and round. This is all months after
Karen Bass ludicrously made an announcement saying I have just

(32:44):
signed an executive order streamlining permitting to help rebuild LA.
Nothing's happened. And here's the reason why, when you actually
look behind that. I actually watched the video of the
press conference where she made the announcement. Here are the
words she actually spoke. I have signed an executive order
tasking agency heads with developing paths forward to streamlining bermitting.

(33:09):
They're in a nutshell. You have the explanation as to
why nothing works in California. You've got these ridiculous machine
politicians who have no clue how anything works, never done
a real job in their lives, no understanding of how
to make change happen. Totally ideologically driven, not practical, and
that's why we're in such a mess. That's why last

(33:31):
bit of news for you today, just seen a poll
just come out showing me in the lead in the
governor's race, ahead of all the candidates, including all the Democrats.
People are sick of this nonsense in California, and it's
time to change. We're going to get that change next year.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, that was the next place I wanted to go
with you, Steve, which is you have to think that
at some point the people have suffered enough, regardless of
where they're ideologically aligned, at some point, you just want
stuff to work. At some point, you just want to
be safe. You're sick of waiting in lines that never
get anything done anyway, And I was wondering if you

(34:06):
could speak to what we saw in San Francisco recently.
It came to our attention that the mayor of San
Francisco now isn't some Republican, not a MAGA guy, but
isn't completely certifiably insane, and was willing to take a
more reasonable approach toward Trump's offer of trying to assist

(34:27):
in the cleanup. So do you view that as indicative
of what's going on more statewide where people are seeing
the craziness for what it is? Is that more specific
to San Francisco? I wanted your take on what's going
on up there.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
Yeah, No, it's really interesting. I mean the mayor you're
speaking about, Daniel Leering, he's a friend of mine. I've
known him for years. He's a Democrat, but he's a
non crazy Democrat, let's use that term. And he's definitely
the kind of person that you either. He's focusing on
practical things, he's not an ideologue. There's another mayor, less

(35:01):
well known in San Jose just the other end of
the San Francisco Bay Matt Mayhan, who's also got that
more pragmatic approach. So you've now got the Bay Area
with two major mayors who are in that category, and
it does show that people are waking up now. The
Bay Area obviously very heavily Democratic, and so it's not
surprising that you're going to have Democrats elected. They're a

(35:26):
Republican really wouldn't be able to make it work in
the Bay Area. I think, however, statewide, I think that
exact same mood that I'd say desperation for change is
what will help me win next year as governor as
a Republican because across the state it's a much more

(35:46):
Republican state actually than people think. The base Republican vote
in California it's been pretty steady for the last twenty
years or so. It's just over forty percent. So that's
a gap that is big, but it's not unbridgable. And
the scale of their failure every single measure you look at,
we are the worst performing state in America. Highest unemployment rate,

(36:09):
highest poverty rate, highest cost of occurrans rent home prices,
the worst business climate in America, ten years and are,
according to Chief Executive magazine US News and World Report rankings,
fiftieth out of fifty for affordability, fiftieth out of fifty
for opportunity, the worst reading scores in the country. I mean,

(36:31):
it just goes on and on. They've failed on every front,
and people are really sick of it. That the difference
this time is they're going to have a really strong, clear,
common sense, positive alternative that I'm laying out there. Three
dollar gas, your electric bills cut in half, a home,
you can afford to buy your first one hundred thousand
of income free of state income tax. They've never It's

(36:53):
going to be a real shock to them, I think,
to face a candidate like me who's got the business experience,
the government reform experience, the media platform. They to take
them on, and I'm going to take them apart. And
I'm really looking forward to it.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Isn't it interesting? Steve? That was all really well laid out.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
There are lots of states that have Democrats and Republicans
involved that can be successful. There are tons of red
states that basically have just said hey, Democrats, thanks, but
no thanks. Maybe they still have power in some way
a little bit like in Nashville area where I live,
which is deeper red state, but Nashville is a little

(37:31):
bit blue. But anything that Democrats completely control, that is
where there is no alternative party, you have abject failure.
Do you get the sense like it doesn't mean that
Californians have to believe that Republicans have all the answers,
but just to say, hey, maybe a monolithic commitment to

(37:53):
Democrats is not getting us the best possible result. Are
you picking up on that when you're traveling around the
state and make your argument one.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
Hundred I was just about to say exactly that, Clay,
which is that you know and I get real, you
know when we do our town halls and have meetings,
real nodding along when I make the point that, look,
we've now had fifteen years of one party rule. They've
controlled every statewide office, supermajority in the legislature, all the

(38:21):
big cities and the big counties. Next year it will
be sixteen years of party rule. And I say, look,
you don't have to become a Republican. Let's just agree
it's not healthy to have one party rule for so long.
It never is, never works anywhere. So let's just have
a bit of balance. Even when I'm elected governor as
a Republican, frankly, looking at you know, we're going to

(38:44):
fight for every Republican candidate, and I'm actively on the
road supporting other Republicans at every level because we've got
to elect more Republicans. But it looks like they'll still
have certainly a majority, probably still a supermajority in the legislature.
So it's just a bit of balance that we're looking for.
That argument, I think goes over very well. I've seen
it on people's faces, and it's part of the story.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
I don't know, Steve, if you sat through the pretty
positive spin, but the Schwarzenegger Netflix bio movie that they
made a couple of maybe is a year or two ago. Anyway,
I bring it up because, oh, okay, you have seen it.
I bring it up because one thing that the governator

(39:27):
as we all call him, who was at least theoretically
a Republican, something that he said is once he got
into office that it was impossible to do anything because
the machinery of the state, the government bodies, regulatory agencies,
public sector unions statewide are so powerful and so entrenched
that you can't really do anything. What do you say

(39:49):
to that, How could you break I'm sure there's some
truth to that, but how do you break through that
if you're given a mandate by the people of California
as governor.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
Well, the difference is, and Arnold's a good friend of mine,
I've known him for twenty years. The difference is that
I will go into this with government reform experience. So
I was senior advisor to the Prime Minister in the UK,
my office right next to the Cabinet room.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
There.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
I'm not saying it's a direct read across, of course not,
but it's a similar sized economy and government bureaucracy and
I and neither am I saying that what we did there.
Remember I wasn't the decision maker. I was senior advisor.
It was some perfect success, far from it, but I
learned how the system works. I learned how bureaucrats work,

(40:35):
and how incredibly aggressive you need to be in order
to make change happen. The other lesson you compare President
Trump this time around to the first time around, the
years that were spent in running up to twenty twenty
four getting ready, having the executive orders drafted, the personnel
decisions made, the legal arguments clarified and ready to go.

(40:58):
I'm doing that work right now on a whole range
of issues. Look, we don't have a massive team or
resources like President Trump had in between twenty twenty and
twenty four, but that work is vital. I'll give you
a really specific example, one that is very close to
your hearts. For example, the issue of biological boys in
girls sports. So I went to the track and Field
Championships in Clovis actually here in the Central Valley, back

(41:21):
in the summer when that scandal popped up again, and
I didn't just want to complain about it. I wanted
to lay out what I would do about it. And
so part of one of the people on my team
is Governor Pete Wilson's top legal advisor, and ian I
said to him, Look, how are we going to deal
with this? That scandal of biological boys in girls' sports
and locker rooms all goes back to a law that

(41:42):
was passed in twenty thirteen AB twelve sixty six. Now,
we did the work on that, and it turns out
that the governor has the power to initiate a process
to overturn legislation. That violates the California State Constitution. We
think that law violates the Constitution in two specific places,
Section twenty eight, Sections thirty one. I won't go into
the details, but there's a good example of how when

(42:03):
you if you're properly prepared and ready for battle with
the right attitude, I think you really can do a lot.
The governor's role is much more powerful than people think.
You appoint thousands of people to hundreds of state agencies
and you can direct their work. That's how I'm going
to open up the oil industry so we get three
dollar gas. That's how I'm going to end the scandal

(42:24):
of these extortionate lawsuits that are crippling every small business.
There's a whole range of things where actually by appointing
the right people, kicking out the idea logues and they're
kind of bureaucrasts, and putting common sense people into these agencies,
you can make change happen pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Kind just real quick. On the lawsuits.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I know about this from friends Steve, who just sell
product nationwide, that even if you're selling something as straightforward
as like food, that California, there are these troll law
firms and all they do is bring suits for the
most you know, if you don't have that, there's some
like carcinogen that theoretically exists in the you know, the

(43:01):
beats that you're selling, they'll sue you in California exactly.

Speaker 8 (43:05):
And by the way, why it's another example of the corrupt,
rotten system in California because trial lawyers. If you look
at the donations to Democrat politicians, specifically Gaven Newsom by category,
the number one donor to Gaven Newsom over his years
in the office in California government unions number two.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Trial lawyers, not surprising, and they and the.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
Same with the legislature. So they create all this legislation
that creates opportunity for litigation. So that's another thing you've
got to fight and be ready for because it's crippling
businesses of all sizes and in all sectors. And as
someone who's run a business out I used to run restaurants,
it's a nightmare. At the best of times. In California

(43:48):
is the absolute worst because of these people and what
they're doing. But we really can change this. I mean,
for example, there's something called the Private Attorney General Act,
which has passed in two thousand and four in California.
Sounds obscure, but if you're in a restaurant or a bar,
or farm or anything, you're being hit by these extortionate
lawsuits all the time, and you have to settle, and
it costs you hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions

(44:10):
of dollars a year. It's basically a cost of doing business.
I've got a plan to end that pretty much overnight
by actually understanding how that law is supposed to work,
appointing a labor commission who's going to be on the
side of business, you can make the whole thing go
away without any recourse to the legislature. There's actually a
lot of things you can get done if you really
know what you're doing and you're properly prepared.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Steve Quick on the way out here, have you seen
any impact on the California governor's race based on Mom
Donnie winning in New York City?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Did it sort of rustle the.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Democrats out there to think, way, maybe we're going farther
left wing than I thought. I know there's a lot
of cross pollination between New York City and LA in particular,
or San Francisco too. Any reaction that you've seen in
California from that win.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
Well, I don't know what I don't know what category
to put this in clay, But the latest news on
the governor's race is our friend Eric Swollwell it's about
to jump in the race. We hear next week, so
he's sensing I don't know whether he's sensing an opportunity here.
I can't decide who I'd rather face swoll Well with

(45:19):
the endless opportunity for fang fang jokes or Katie Porter
with the endless opportunity for mash potato jokes. It's a
tough choice that one.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Here we go, all right, Steve, when do we see
you on the debate stage? When does this thing heat
up in California? You're going to be next summer? When
does it actually happen? When does it come together?

Speaker 8 (45:38):
The primary is in June, the filing deadline is March,
so I would imagine that you know, between March it's
probably the kickoff when we know exactly who all the
candidates are going to be.

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to more exciting video projects that will launch next year.
That I hope that was vague but exciting. That's right, Clay,
that's the.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Way to do a little vague, vague but exciting is
a great, great phrase.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That's the move. That's how you got to do a
media all the time. It's a little bit like my
conspiracy podcast that I want to start, where I just
say the craziest stuff possible. When people ask me for
my sources, I'm just like, I just have a feeling
I've heard from somebody who heard from somebody who had
a feeling.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I'm sorry, I can't reveal my sources to you, like.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
You just just take people in wild directions, see what happens.
But something else that is on my mind here as
we had the designation of here was this actually happened today?
The State Department from the official account, here you go.
Anarchist militants have waged terror campaigns in the United States

(48:47):
and Europe, conspiring to undermine the foundations of Western civilization
through their brutal attacks. The State Department will designate these
four Antifa groups as fto's foreign Terrorist or Organizations. Antifa
aust is a terrorist organization based in Germany, wielding hammers
on unsuspecting victims. They were named a terrorist organization by

(49:11):
Hungary after at tax in Budapest. The International Revolutionary Front
in Italy coalition of violent anarchists, Armed Proletarian Justice, a
Greek anarchist group, Revolutionary Class Self Defense also in Greece,
so they're clay. They've named all these European ANTIFA.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Wings as Foreign Terrorist Organizations FTO. That's a that.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Means once you are an FTO, the US government's ability
and tools to deal with you are considerable. They are
fearsome on the financial side and the legal side, and
even on the kinetic side of things when when the
situation calls for it. So that is a major escalation
and the notion that antifah remember when the FBI director

(49:57):
under Biden said Antifa was an idea IA.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yes, that was a.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Particularly low moment for a very brought low FBI. FBI
under Patel and Bongino. Are they're fixing things? I believe.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Actually, we'll have do we guys, Do we have want
a director Patel on next week? We've been meaning to, Yes,
we do. We have director Cash Pattel will be with
us next week. Do you have questions that you want
us to ask him? You can send those in, I
might add, so we'll pick some of the best ones
if we can, if we have time with him. He's
a very busy man. They're trying to fix the FBI
clay that's going on. Then there's also this, and I

(50:36):
think it ties in because anti fuzz is a bunch
of anti civilization lunatics John Fetterman and and this has
been true for a while. I'll take a step back
and say this. Remember when Elon said that wokeness was
really just an excuse for nasty people to be cruel
and feel self righteous about it. You know, there was

(50:58):
some version of you guys can find that quote for me,
but it was I think he was. That was his
Babylon B podcast appearance with Seth Dylan. I think that's
where he said it. And I'm and that to me
was I was like this Elon guy, he gets it.
That was Yeah, he's a brilliant CEO. Do you remember
that exchange?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah? Percent remember it And and I do think. Look,
there are a lot of mean people on the internet,
and you and I both made our livings on the internet,
so we.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Are quite nice to be fair, like, we we poke
fun and we call it out when we have to,
but we don't get you know, so.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
We don't say anything publicly that we would like. There
is no you're you're a little saltier Clay. Clay likes
to mix it. Clay likes to sometimes break the beer
bottle on the table and get into it with people.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
But you know, yeah, I don't mind.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
When people are owning what they say under their real name.
But one reason the Internet is so toxic is because
so many people haven'tonymous accounts and just pile it all on.
Having said that, I do think in the era that
we live in now, the left is way meaner because
there is a self righteousness that motivates their anger and

(52:14):
their antipathy, and their.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Idea is we're so right that we can be super
mean to people.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And Fetterman has seen it from both sides, and I
thought this was a good clip.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
This is really interesting, CNN's Dana Bash saying that the left.
I'm sorry, Fetterman telling CNN's Dana Bash saying that the
left is just crueler than people on the right in
America that I play eight.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
When I asked my digital team, I said, you know,
you're we're on all the platforms, you know, really, what's
what's kind of the harshest, what's kind of the most personal?
And the answer was immediate they said, oh, blue sky,
its blue sky. And the difference is, I mean the
right would say pally rough things and names. You know,
there's some names I will repeat on on TV. But
but but the the on the left, it was like

(53:03):
they want me to die, or that we're cheering for
your next stroke, or that's terrible, that depression. Want why
couldn't it depression?

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Wan?

Speaker 9 (53:11):
And and I hope your kids find you. Uh, I
mean they even have like the graphic a gift they
have like a stroke, you know, you know in your head,
you know, cheering it. Yeah, and and they said that.
Uh I remember one they claimed, oh the doctor let
us down, and why did they have to save his life?

(53:31):
I mean just really like I just can't imagine people
are are wishing, you know, I wish he dies or
I want him to die, you know, literally cheering for
for a stroke. And I don't know what the kind
of a place where that comes from. I mean, that's
that's much different than just calling me a name, you
know that, And that's that's really been consistent you know,

(53:53):
in that community online Clay.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
The online left embraces and celebrates a demonic viciousness that
is reflected in the broader Democrat party. It's just reality, yes,
And I think it has to do with the belief
that they are good.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
It's really scary sometimes, and I encourage people to think
about it. If you become convinced that you are one
hundred percent right on everything, then you are willing to
dehumanize a lot of people. And I think the left
is more like I question every day. I look at
facts and I say, boy, did I get that right.

(54:33):
I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong. I think
partly that's legal training, where you have to be willing
to look at the whole argument, you have to contemplate it,
you have to think about precedent. I would encourage everybody
out there be open to the possibility that you're wrong,
because then you will analyze things in a fresh way,
as opposed to constantly reinforcing yourself buck I read. Since

(54:58):
we're talking about Fetterman, want to expand this conversation because
I do think this is important. Fetterman said the day
after he won the Senate race that he thought about
throwing himself off the bridge because he was so depressed
as he was walking. And I do think for everybody

(55:19):
out there who is you know listening to.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Us right now.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
That was probably what most people would consider to be
the apex of John Fetterman's professional life. And on the
day that he won Senate reelection Senate election, he was
walking on a bridge and he significantly contemplated just throwing
himself off of it, and he said the only reason
he didn't do it was because ultimately he couldn't stop

(55:47):
thinking about his kids and that they were important in
helping him come through the dark place that he was.
There are a lot of people out there in very
very dark places. And I do think the conversation that
Fetterman has opened up of hey, try to get yourself
well mentally and physically. We talk a lot about the

(56:08):
MAHA movement, which is you've talked about this buck yourself
like you got a young kid, Hey, I want to
be in shape. I want to be able to help
raise that kid. I want to make sure that I'm
trying to be the best version of myself. And all
that stuff works from a physical perspective. Everybody's got to
work on the mental too, and I do think that
a lot of people in the social media era, I

(56:29):
think we're gonna go back everybody always thinks, you know,
when you look back and you see people smoking on airplanes,
or for those of us who grew up sometimes with
a mom or a dad, you know, just smoking in
a car with the windows rolled up, or we went
into restaurants and they were like, hey, this is the.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Smoking section and this is the non smoking section.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Like my kids look at that stuff and they think
about how silly it is we assume that we're doing
things that are not toxic to ourselves because we get
used to them.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I think social media.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I think twenty years from now, thirty years from now,
people are going to be looking back at what social
media did to this country and they're going to be saying.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
How in the world did we let this happen?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And I just think if you use Fetterman as an example,
and this book that he's got, and we've invited him
on the program, but imagine you win a Senate race
and because of the toxicity surrounding you, your depression is
such that you think about throwing yourself off a bridge.
I don't think that his perspective in that way was
different than a lot of other people might be, even

(57:30):
with success going on in life.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And how can you not have a deep human sympathy
that completely supersedes politics for somebody who's going through that,
anyone who's ever been around someone who is close to
them or they themselves have dealt with real depression, you
would think, and I think that's almost once you get

(57:53):
to a certain age, it's hard not to be in
that category. If somebody who's at least experienced someone who
is dealing with that, you would think that they would
understand that there's a basic human connection, that we all
have a sympathy for people, a revulsion at others suffering
and pain. And for someone to not like Betterman's stand

(58:15):
on Israel and publicly wish him to have another stroke
or to die, or whatever these things are that he's
pointing out, it goes to a lack of humanity. It's
not about political disagreement anymore. It is you have traded
something from your soul. And this is why I went
on Blue Sky the night after Charlie, or the night of,

(58:38):
rather Charlie's assassination. I had to see it for myself.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
It was a.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Deeply dark and disturbing rummaging through the wreckage of people's souls.
It was really bad play. It was really ugly. And
that was people a lot of under their own names publicly,
some of them you know, have have followings, have platforms.
I mean to to to see what happened to Charlie,

(59:07):
A father, a husband, a son, an American, a patriot.
And this is the if there, God forbid, if there
was a high profile assassination of a prominent Democrat activist
or a prominent Democrat politician, and people of any note
on the right were saying, you know, celebrating it in

(59:28):
some capacity, I assure you, including on this program, their
own side, our side, would say, that's disgusting. You're you're
a disgrace to the movement. You know, don't ever do
something like that. Again, Yes, none of that on the left,
none of it. They pretend like it doesn't happen, or
or they pretend that they're on or they're on.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Board with it, not even pretend they're on board with it.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
And Federman himself, I mean, I think I'm glad we
played that clip because I flagged that earlier this week.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
I saw it.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
You can say, Okay, he has unique been in the
crosshairs of criticism in both directions. I mean, look, I've
said this on the program, I thought, and I said,
that he would be a completely ineffective senator and doctor
Oz should have won. I still think doctor Oz would
be a better representative for Pennsylvania. But I think John

(01:00:18):
Fetterman is a reasonable, rational Democrat voice. And when he
says even people who opposed him politically, that is Republicans
have treated him better than Democrats.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I take his word for it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I think it's true, and I do think that for
anybody out there, what is it buck, twenty one veterans
kill themselves every day. I think much of the story
that Fetterman is telling in this book is about how
to deal with depression. Almost all those people are men.
You can criticize John Fetterman for a lot. He seems
like a normal dude in many respects, and I think

(01:00:55):
that's why he has the appeal that he does in Pennsylvania.
He almost threw himself off a bridge, according to his
own book, the day after he won the Senate race,
because of the immense cloud of depression that descended upon him.
You know, get help. We've got a lot of resources
out there. I think it's twenty one veterans a day,

(01:01:15):
almost all men. And look I mean, there are people
out there that will help you. And if you're in
that world right now listening to us, get yourself, well,
there's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
One of the sacrifices that our veterans have made that
we all as Americans benefit from obviously our freedom, our civilization,
our way of life, our day to day lives. But
also no community has done more in our generation Clay
to destigmatize mental health problems getting mental health assistance.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Than the veterans.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, no one has done, because if they need help
for what they saw, it's okay. You know, it's okay
for everybody to get help. Okay for anyone to have
problems because the bravest and the best of us, even
they sometimes can require assistance. So it's one of those
things that I know the people have very strong opinions

(01:02:13):
about the g WAT and what we did in Afghanistan
and Rock and all the rest of it. But one
aspect of that sacrifice our veterans made that has been
I think, very very powerful and very positive for all
of us is that you can say I need help
and it's mental and that's okay, and you should get
it and it's not weakness and it's not something that

(01:02:34):
but that brings me back to the veteran conversation, where
that's actually a mental manifestation of it. Well, talking about
the stroke, that's a mental manifestation of a physical ailment. Yea,
and his own side is saying that wishing that he
was dead.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Madness. Madness.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yeah, and the toxicity out there is real, So just
be conscious of that. And look, I give them credit
for speaking out as a somewhat voice of sanity in
the Democrat Party when they are very few of those.
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