November 19, 2025 • 56 mins
Follow the Epstein Money
The Epstein Transparency Act, which passed unanimously in the Senate after near-unanimous House approval. Buck breaks down what this means: once President Trump signs the bill, the Justice Department will have 30 days to release Jeffrey Epstein-related files. The discussion explores whether these disclosures will provide real answers or lead to further demands for transparency. Buck emphasizes the unanswered question of Epstein’s billion-dollar fortune and the suspicious financial transactions flagged by JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank. He argues that following the money is key to uncovering the truth.
Clay Calls in from Italy
Clay calls from Rome and shares details of his mission: delivering an invitation for the Pope to throw out the first pitch at a future Chicago White Sox game, a unique gesture tied to the team’s new ownership and stadium plans. This segment blends sports, faith, and global intrigue, making it a must-hear for fans of both baseball and world affairs.
A Critical Race in NC
Buck welcomes Michael Whatley, former RNC Chair and current candidate for U.S. Senate in North Carolina. Whatley details the fallout from Governor Roy Cooper’s veto of legislation requiring sheriffs to honor ICE detainers, which has led to a surge in illegal immigration and crime. They discuss shocking statistics, including 21,000 students absent from Charlotte schools in one day due to immigration enforcement fears, and over 200 arrests of criminal illegal aliens in recent ICE operations. Whatley warns of the massive financial burden on state resources—from Medicaid to education—and contrasts his tough-on-crime stance with Cooper’s record of vetoing tax cuts, police pay raises, and bills protecting women’s sports. He predicts the North Carolina Senate race will be the most expensive in U.S. history, with Democrats pouring in hundreds of millions to flip the seat.
The Misled Boss Babes
Buck dives into a Pew Research study on marriage trends among Gen Z, revealing that only 61% of 12th-grade girls want to marry compared to 74% of boys. He critiques cultural messaging that promotes “boss babe” ideology and hookup culture, arguing it misleads young women and undermines long-term happiness. Buck contrasts this with a resurgence of traditional values among young men, who increasingly reject toxic masculinity narratives and embrace leadership, family, and faith. He calls for a cultural reset that prioritizes stable family formation and meaningful relationships over superficial social media-driven dating norms.
Listeners join the discussion, sharing real-world observations about generational shifts in marriage and family priorities. Buck closes with candid insights on dating culture, noting how social media amplifies superficiality and how men and women differ in what they value in partners. He underscores timeless truths about purpose, family, and the pursuit of meaning beyond material success.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. A lot going on,
so we know yesterday when I was on the air
with you, Oh, Clay will in fact call us from
his super secret mission abroad this hour, So we're gonna
(00:20):
set that up for you. Clay's out for the week's traveling,
but he wants to tell you what he's been up to.
One of you might have already guessed it, which was
a pretty remarkable, remarkable thing. But he'll be joining us
later on, and we also have Michael Wattley joining He's
running for Senate North Carolina, so looking forward to that
(00:41):
as that conversation gets rolling. Now. Now, we had yesterday
the House all voting in favor of except for one guy,
a Republican voting in favor of the Epstein Transparency Act.
And then we had and last night the Senate passing
(01:05):
the same bill unanimously. Senators locked in agreement, automatically passing
the bill as soon as it came in from the House.
Just looking at the updates here. Once the President signs
the bill, the Justice Department has thirty days to release
materials related to Jeffrey Epstein. Now this is moving. The
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President has already said that he believes this is or
that he's supportive of this. Now he has said that
he thinks this is the right move. So we're going
to get into what's going to happen here. It's not
like we're going to know all of the details even
for some time here. There may be further redactions that happen,
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or rather that we will have to contend with, because
my sense is if the redactions are extensive enough, then
people will say that's not gonna fly, that's not good enough.
There have to be more things that are released. So
that's one possibility. Another possibility is that there's nothing massive
(02:16):
I say massive in the information that is released, the files,
if you will, of this investigation, and then people just
say they hid stuff, and there's still a clamoring for
more transparency, more. Those are all the things. Those are
some of the things that I think could come out
of this. But there was this today as I was
(02:37):
preparing for our show. Here this is cut twenty seven Pambondi,
the Attorney General, referring to the Epstein investigation as a
pending investigation. Play twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The issue with the new information that you just indicated,
are is the Department seeking information perhaps from the Epstein
is State because mister Blanche did not have that information
when he interviewed de Lane Maxwell. What new information? And
would you limit the new investigation to just those named
persons that the President talked about or is this a
(03:12):
broad open ended investigation.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I would refer to the Deputy Attorney General's post that
he put out on X and we will We're not
going to say anything else on that because now it
is a pending investigation in the Southern District of New.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
York, a pending investigation. Meanwhile, the House has demanded Epstein
financial records from JP Morgan Chase, Deutsche Bank, and the
US Virgin Islands. That's just in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
A few things here I can't tell you. I don't
know obviously, none of you know, no one outside of
a very small circle nose in this release that Donald Trump,
I am very confident, is going to sign the final step,
if you will, before the release. And then there's thirty days,
so we're gonna wait a bit. We're gonna wait a
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bit for this information. I don't know exactly how many days,
but they have up to thirty days to release. Maybe
it'll come much faster than that. We'll see how the
bureaucracy handles this. But I sit here and I say
to myself, because you know, and the House has already
released sixty five thousand documents related to Epstein, you know
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very well that I have been pounding a certain drum
on this issue of follow the money, follow the money.
It is completely unthinkable, unthinkable to me, or rather it
should be unthinkable maybe a better way of putting it,
that we do not have a full accounting of how
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Epstein pulled together a fortune that was approaching a billion dollars.
This guy did not create some new product, He did
not found some company. He was not some hedge fun
guy running thirty billion dollars of other people's money. There
are ways you can make a billion dollars. Tax advice
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is not one of them. It's just not one of them.
And so this then brings up how did he make
this money? Why is it that there were some people
in Epstein's orbit who were unbelievably and I mean that
in the real sense of can't believe it, unbelievably generous
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to him. Why the money, I think is the single
best chance we have to get these answers. According to
subpoenias that were just put out by the House, JP
Morgan Chase began an internal investigation into accounts previous held
by Epstein, flagging some forty seven hundred transactions as suspicious.
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Epstein held accounts and bench with the bank with Deutsche
Bank from twenty thirteen until twenty eighteen. So they're going
back in here into the money trail, and I sit
here wondering how it is. And by the way, I
want to be clear that sometimes I will ask questions
here that are rhetorical because something isn't adding up. How
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is it possible that we don't have a full and
clear understanding of where all of Epstein's money came from.
We've had a little bit here, a little bit there,
but this should be obvious. And I might add, if
it's somewhere already, if they have the the flow chart
of funds, if it's in the release, why haven't we
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already been given it? Why is it taking all of
this pressure and all of this time. Why is it
taking us to this place to be in a situation
to finally get those answers? So there's more that is
coming out here. Now. I think you can pretty much
(07:12):
set your watch to this one. No matter what happens
here with the files. In terms of nothing, this is
all about getting Trump for the Democrats. And there's something
very grotesque about Democrats suddenly caring they didn't care about
this during the Biden administration, suddenly caring so much about
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the Epstein files, Epstein's victims, all of this. It's hard
not to view it as posturing, because it is posturing,
meant to create the moral high ground from which they
can throw mud at Donald Trump, or at least the
appearance of such a thing. No matter what happens with
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these files, I can assure you they will not say,
you know, you know, up is cleared. Trump didn't do
an It didn't do anything. And so that also brings
us to why I think Trump wasn't so immediately in
favor of the release, because no matter how much transparency
he offers, or rather he gives, and for a lot
(08:17):
of people, I understand, this is a file through on
a campaign promise, So you want it irrespective of anything else,
and that's very valid, and clearly Trump has decided that
that's what's going to happen. This should have been done.
I think a lot of people recognize now sooner. A
lot of you were calling in and demanding it, to
which I just kept saying, Yeah, I want more transparency.
(08:38):
I don't have the files, right, it's not in my
power to release them. All we can do is air
as we did, our sense that there's more here and
that there's more to be uncovered. And I think that
that has certainly happened. I think that has certainly been
a very real motivation here right, telling people having the
(09:04):
Trump base come forward and say we don't have the
answers we want. We're not accepting anything else. It's time
for this all to come clean now. Speaker Johnson, he
is pointing out here, this is cut one. He's saying
that the president has nothing to do with it. Democrats
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are going to weaponize it. Just be prepared for this.
They're going to attack Trump even if his name doesn't
appear one more time in the files. Play clip one.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
This is a political exercise for Democrats. And it pains
me to say it. I wish that was not the truth,
but it is, and it's undeniable. This is as deceitful
and dishonest, as their pointless stunt was to shut the
government down. Democrats are using the Epstein tragedy, the unspeakable
evils that this guy committed with his trafficking ring and
all of the abuses that they that they made these
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young women go through. They're using that as a political
weapon to try to distract from their failures as a
party and to try their best to try to tie
President Trump somehow into this wretched scandal. The President had
nothing to do with it. He's been very clear and
he has nothing to hide, and that's why he's endorsed
the vote today.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think that's where we are. I think the President
is about to show all of his naysayers, detractors, haters.
They're haters, they're not detractors, and they're deranged. In many cases.
They hate him in a way that is that is irrational,
and that is extreme to the point of being unhealthy.
Trump Arrangement syndrome. But they're not going to ever say
(10:31):
that it's enough. You can never convince the people who
have been trying to dirty Trump up with Epstein that
there's not more to be found that would prove that
Trump is really the bad guy. So just be prepared
for that, and in fact, Chuck Schumer is out there
saying already that this is and this has cut three
one of the worst, most damaging moments of the Trump presidency.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
This will go down as one of the most damaging
moments of Donald Trump's presidency. In trying so hard to
hide the truth, Donald Trump has provoked the fiercest rebellion
he's ever faced among his own supporters, both in Congress
and around the country. All the line, all the broken
promises about transparency, all the bullying and threats to members
(11:13):
of Congress who wanted these files released, it's all blown
up in Donald Trump's face. His usual methods of intimidation
and dishonesty have failed spectacularly in this instance.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So we are to believe if you listen to Chuck
Schumer there, who's had a rough go of it lately,
you know, the whole Schumer shut down disaster for him. Politically,
people are realizing the guy's too old. Whatever fastball used
to have is no longer there. Chuck Schumer is saying,
this is such a disaster. We are to believe that
the Biden doj which was on a jihad against Trump,
(11:51):
we are to believe that they had derogatory information about
Donald Trump while they were prosecuting him in a two
federal criminal trials that were, as we know, political, totally
politically motivate, but that they didn't release this. How does
(12:13):
that add up? You know, they never really address this.
They just didn't pay attention. It's not hard. You have
all these files, especially now with AI. I'm going to
tell you something. You could find Trump's name and find
every reference to him in seconds doing a simple search.
And you could use AI to find anything that even
vaguely is Trump adjacent in all these documents. So don't
(12:35):
tell me all they didn't have the manpower, they didn't
have the ability to figure this out. No, they're doing
this because for one thing, unfortunately, they have been successful
and completely changing the national political conversation away from the stupidity,
the selfishness, and the absurdity and the destruction of the
(12:58):
Schumer shutdown they've already managed. Notice, does it even feel
like we had a month long government shutdown for no
good reason except for a Democrat tantrum? Feels like it
was years ago now because they've completely shifted the conversation
that's already happened I can't stop it. You know, I
wish I had the power to direct the whole national conversation.
We've got millions of you who listen, but there's you know,
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three hundred and fifty million people in the country when
you add all the illegals, something like that. So here
we are, and we're going to see Trump. We're going
to see Trump signing this, and then there's going to
be more files released and we'll continue to work through them.
I do not believe there will be a smoking gun.
I was actually on with Piers Morgan for his show
(13:40):
which will be airing later today, and Peers dramatically strenuously
disagrees with me on this. He thinks that there are
people who are going to go to prison over the
what's in the I completely I just don't see it,
because the DOJ then would have to admit that they
were holding files that should have brought prosecution for child
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sex traffickers. Really, they're right at the deal. I mean,
I'm not saying that it's impossible to believe the dj
would do that, but it's pretty extreme. That's that's quite
a stretch. And then they're going to release it and
have to say, oh yeah, we were covering up for
these guys. Are people even going to accept this? Ask
(14:23):
yourself this question. Ask it now? Are people going to
accept if they do put out all this stuff they've
got in their possession? Will there be an acceptance that
this is everything that they really have? Will we ever
get all the answers? This is the reality of this
moment we find ourselves in. I want to take your calls,
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
Welcome back into the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
As the name implies, there are two of us, but
some of us go on fancy International Man of mystery
tours and stuff their faces with delicious pasta and do
other cool things.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But they will call in from said mission. Mister Clay
Travis joins us. Tell us where you are first, Clay.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
I am in Rome.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I'm overlooking the tomb of Augustus. And I got to
go and see the Pope today in the Vatican to
to you know, complete this this idea, yeah, that we had,
which I think was a pretty cool one to invite
the Pope to come to Chicago and throw out an
(17:08):
opening pitch for the Chicago White Sox. So all of
this has has happened. Today it's evening, getting ready to
go out and have some wine and have a good dinner.
But it was an awesome day.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So UH, that was.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
The super secret trip. I didn't want to step on
anything about the about the process of getting that invite
out to the Pope. But UH got to meet the
ambassadors UH to Italy and the UH and the UH
Vatican City got to be there for the UH for
the offer to the Pope.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And UH.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
There's video and UH and footage. I think that's going
to be up on OutKick soon that we'll try to
get shared with you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So so you you have met with the pontiff. You're
not you're not a Catholic, right, Clay? I am not? Yeah,
and you're not.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
And uh but it was it was a yes.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But certainly what I was gonna say is of people,
right for our Catholic audience is like a really really
big deal. You know, it would be amazing to be
able to actually meet the Pope in person. What was it?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I mean, take us through this, So it's did he
did he tell you that? You know, Nick Saban is
the greatest of all time? Like did he make a
sports choke?
Speaker 9 (18:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Did he bless you? Take us? Take where did you
see him? You got to give us some of these details.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
So on Wednesday they do a open public forum, a
sort of pope address in many different languages, you know,
with probably ten fifteen thousand people maybe more than that
in the in the square outside of Saint Peter's outdoor.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It was a great weather.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
I believe they have a big public area down on
the in the in the larger sort of plaza there.
We were up close to the stage. He does all
of his all of his homily, his address in multiple
different languages, and then afterwards there are people that he greets.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And the new.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
Owner of the Chicago White Sox happens to be a
law school classmate of mine, and we were a couple
of months ago sitting around trying to think of ways
that he could introduce himself to the people of Chicago.
And I had seen the JD Vance presents a Chicago
Bears jersey to the Pope, and I said, you know
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what we should You should invite him to come and
throw out the first pitch at a proposed new stadium
that they are in the process of of working through
in Chicago for the White Sox. And that seems like
a good idea, And then the process of okay, well,
how do you get in touch with the Pope to
(20:05):
be able to get a meeting. He seems really really
excited at the idea. He got a For people out
there who are sports fans, the Chicago White Sox won
the World Series in two thousand and five and Pope Leo,
obviously not the Pope then, was in the crowd at
the World Series and so he's a huge White Sox fan.
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And so my friend, the new owner, one of the
new owners soon to be officially the owner, got the
whole team from two thousand and five to sign a
White Sox jersey from that year, and then also conveyed
the offer to the Pope, you know, schedule permitting for
the Pope to come and throw out the first pitch
(20:51):
when they opened the stadium. Pope hasn't been, to my knowledge,
to Chicago since nineteen seventy nine. So again, this happened
early this morning in uh, in the Vatican and is
becoming a big story obviously in Chicago, and I think
a lot of people are finding it to be, uh,
just a you know, awesome, cool story in general. Uh overall,
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if you are you know, there's not a particular political
connotation to it or anything like that, but if you
are a fan of sports, it's just kind of cool
to have an American pope and someone who is going
to to hopefully in the next couple of years be
able to come to Chicago and uh and and do
something incredibly unique and awesome in the in the city.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So that's kind of so the offer was made, but
we don't know, we we don't yet know if the
Pope is going to be able to do this. Is
that is that right?
Speaker 9 (21:46):
Well? He just I mean the Pope's schedule, as one
might imagine, is very busy. He said that he wants
to do it. We've got to figure out exactly what
the date is, but it's kind of what I would
say as a conditional acceptance. He knew that the offer
was coming. He was excited to be able to get
the offer, to get the jersey, to be able to
meet and Uh, I think he's going to Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think he's.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Going to try and uh and and I mean he
said he's going to try and do it, so it
could it should be a pretty awesome event.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Look at you, globe trotting so like making just.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Trying to do good things and make the world a
little bit better place, as everyone assumes that I always
will be trying to.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Do and Clay Clay is uh is making his making
his moves over there at the Catholic Rock of Saint Peter,
that is the church. Uh So, now tell me what
you think about the epstein Foss since we got you
on the phone, says we got you.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
I'm glad that everybody has voted to release him. Buck,
You've got the rest of the show. I am going
to have abundant amounts of wine tonight and have a
great dinner in Rome. Uh you you brought I hope that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Uh, I'll handle it. I'll handle it. You go have
some gelato with Laura and the kids. Go have fun
and very cool. Congratulations on the meeting with the Pope,
and thank you sir. Come come back Friday or Monday,
whatever you got. We'll see you then. Okay, we'll do
I'll see you, have fun, mat have a good dinner.
So I they said, there you go. Clay met the Pope.
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So there's that, and that was why he was. He
was gone this week. It's very exciting, very exciting. The Pope.
Also we did have I was going to read the
email from from Sissy who said that that's what she
thought was happening. And that's a pretty remarkable, pretty remarkable call.
She said, I'm looking forward to hearing the details of
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Clay's super secret trip on the show. My guess is
he got a once in a lifetime interview with the
Pope since he's a baseball fan, just a wild guest.
There you go, you nailed it, and Sissy, we got
your follow up. Ema, Oh my goodness, I got it correct,
Clay in the Pope. Maybe I should buy a lottery tickets.
So we did, and that was before Clay tweeted about
this or put it out on x But this was
before that happened. Clay was supposed to reveal this on
(24:05):
the show, but he's Clay. He does whatever he wants.
So there we are team, Why don't we Because we're
gonna have kind of a hard turn coming up here
into the world of from meeting with the Pope to
the release of the Epstein files. We have a little
bit of a transition to do, and we'll rack and
(24:25):
stack some calls and some talkbacks on this one, because
I think that what we are seeing is hopefully what
many of you have been demanding all along. We also
have the White House weighing in on the filibuster via
Caroline Levitt and Trump really rolling out the red carpet
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for the Saudi leadership, which is something that I think
this is a good thing for the region, a good
thing for America, for the Middle East, I mean good
thing for America. I think you might see a normalization
of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia under this Trump presidency,
furthering the Abraham Accords, and I think you might see
(25:12):
the big move in the Middle East with regard to that,
and Trump is trying to bring that about. Of course,
there are the detractors, the haters out there, the people
who are upset that Trump would sit with the head
of state of a country that, whether we want to
deal with the Saudis or not, is critical to our
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energy infrastructure or rather energy market, and we really don't
have a choice. So why not have a constructive relationship
with the Saudis. Why not try to encourage them to yes,
invest in America, which is a huge focus from Trump,
but also to do what they can to liberalize. I
know Saudi Arabia is an autocracy. I'm fully aware of
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the and I know about the past with Saudi Arabia's
role in unfortunately exporting the what we used to refer
to very much as the Wahabist ideology, which is a
radical interpretation of Islam setting up Wahabist mosques all over
the world. They've moved away from that. They've become a
(26:19):
constructive partner for security in the region, and they're making
overtures toward a better relationship with Israel, and that would
be very helpful for Middle East peace and stability. So
that's why that's going on. Also, something else, we're gonna
have Michael Watley joining us later. He's running for Senate
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up there in North Carolina, a very important Senate seat.
And there's some major immigration enforcement operations underway in North Carolina.
That there's pushback of course from Democrats. What's really going
on there? When I tell you I have some stats,
When I tell you how many kids are are staying
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home because of immigration illegal alien immigration enforcement in North Carolina,
I think you're gonna be pretty shocked. And it gives
you a sense of how enormous the scale of illegal
immigration is and the costs associated with this. You are
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paying for this, especially if you live in North Carolina,
live in these districts where the kids are staying home.
You're paying for English as a second language training in
these schools. You are bringing in students from abroad who
are going to be far beyond, a far behind. We
already through the Americans behind grade level, we mean way
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behind grade level, and hold the rest of the class back.
I mean, think about this, if English is not their
first language and then they're put in these classrooms. There's
just so much going on here. We'll talk to Michael
Waltley about the immigration enforcement component of this coming up.
And like I said, we'll get to your calls here
Epstein files. Trump is signing it. Congress has said, all right,
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you're getting the files. Is this good enough? Is assuming
it happens? Is this good enough? Is there more? What
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Speaker 1 (29:31):
Let's talk about what's going on in North Carolina. Our
guest here, Michael Wattley, running for a critical Senate seat there. Michael,
appreciate you joining us here calling in. Tell us what
has been going on with your state when it comes
to illegal immigration enforcement. There's been some very interesting exchanges
(29:53):
I'm seeing online.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yeah. Well, the biggest thing to kind of table set
for all of your listeners. Is the fact that my opponent,
Roy Cooper, when he was the governor of North Carolina,
vetoed legislation which would have forced sheriffs to honor ICE
detainers and move violent criminal illegal aliens out of the state.
And so now we have a system where we have
(30:17):
a revolving door that's putting these criminals back on the street.
They are not being deported, and ICE has come in
to make a number of arrests and help clean up
the mess that Roy Cooper has created in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
People who are trying to get a sense of the
scale of the illegal immigration issue. I don't know if
you saw this, It was being shared broadly online. This
number that in the Charlotte Public School system earlier this
week there were twenty one thousand. Now apparently the CMS
data is not finalized yet, but basically twenty one thousand
(30:54):
students miss school in just the Charlotte Public School District
on Monday, which they say is fifteen percent. I mean,
this is this is kind of stunning. I think that
that many kids are affected by because they have legal
immigrant parents. What's going on here? What can you tell
us about this?
Speaker 7 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I think it's stunning. That when you look at the
you know, millions of illegal immigrants that came across the
border during Joe Biden's administration, ten fifteen million immigrants that
came across. Hundreds of thousands of them were known criminals
who had records, and they still were released into you know,
(31:29):
states like North Carolina. The fact is that North Carolina
should not be a border state, but we are a
border state. And so you know, when we think about
having ice come in and be able to take these
people off the street, and they're saying, you know, there've
been over two hundred plus arrests so far. You know,
these are people who've been arrested who have criminal records,
(31:50):
that people who are wanted for criminal records and need
to be deported. It is absolutely a dereliction of duty
for you know, the sheriff of Mecklenburg County, sheriffs of
of Wake County, which is Raleigh, or you know, Durham
County uh to to not honor these ice detainers. And
it was a dereliction of duty for Roy Cooper to
(32:11):
veto legislation. Would it have forced them to be able
to do that?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What kind of drain on the budget has it been
for the state of North Carolina to have And can
you give us a sense there are some places we
think about illegal immigration a lot, right you think about
New York City and the state of California, Texas, you know,
places along the border the Carolinas don't necessarily come to
(32:36):
mind right away. But can you give some sense of
the of the scale and and also the cost for
the people of your state about illegal immigration uh and
and how much of an issue it has become.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Well, it's a huge issue, you know when you talk
about UH, you know, the federal programs in the state
programs UH to be able to help our needy. And
the fact that we have you know, millions of people
around the country illegal aliens that were on medicaid, the
fact that we actually had to pass legislation as part
of the One Big Beautiful Bill to take illegal aliens
(33:10):
and say that they cannot be on medicaid, and the
fact that the Democrats were fighting extremely hard to try
and put you know, those provisions back into place. When
we look at food stamps, we look at at the
wick programs, we look at you know, schools and and
all of the other costs that are out there. The
societal costs for services for illegal aliens is absolutely stupefying,
(33:35):
and it is it is remarkable that that Democrats in
North Carolina and around the country, including Roy Cooper, want
to fight harder for illegal aliens than they do their
own constituents.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Speaking to Michael Wattley, former R and C chair and
candidate for Senate in North Carolina, I know it's technically
early in that cycle, Michael, but the Republican Party has
already been, you know, moving forward with your candidacy, trying
to trying to back back things up, back you up
(34:09):
in this because I think they recognize, Man, the Democrats,
what kind of money are they going to put behind
Roy Cooper to try to get this Senate see.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Well, it's going to be the most expensive Senate race
in the history of the country. We've seen estimates that
this could be as high as six hundred to eight
hundred million dollars that will be spent in North Carolina.
We know that Democrats are going to pour hundreds of
millions of dollars into the race. It's it's really they're
they're one of two pick up opportunities that they have
(34:38):
all around the country. Susan Collins up in Maine being
the other one. And the fact is, we're going to
have the support of President Trump, We're going to have
the support of the grassroots, We're going to have the support,
you know, from people all across North Carolina to be
able to go toe to toe with that out of
state money. But you know, we we look at, you know,
the amount of money that Roy Cooper is going to
(34:59):
be able to bring in from around the country, and
it's not daunting because as we saw in the last
election cycle, President Trump got outspent by a billion dollars.
Kamala Harris, you know, raised and spent you know, two
point five billion dollars, but she had a terrible message.
And you know, good policy is good politics. So we're
going to win this race even if we're outspent, because
(35:22):
we're going to be focused on creating jobs and raising wages.
We're going to be focused on keeping our kids in
our community safe, and obviously this current conversation is a
big part of that. And we're also going to focus
on making sure that our men and women in uniform
have what they need to protect our interests in our
allies around the world.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I wanted to let you react to Josh Stein, the
governor of North Carolina. Here, Michael, this has cut seventeen
on our on our sheet team. He's he's saying, well,
I'll let everybody hear what he's saying, play seventeen.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
We've seen masks, heavily armed agents and paramilitary garb driving
unmarked cars, targeting American citizens based on their skin color,
racially profiling and picking up random people in parking lots
and off of our sidewalks, going after landscaper simply decorating
a Christmas tree in someone's front yard, and entering churches
and stores to grab people. This is not making us safer.
(36:19):
It's stoking fear and dividing our community. We are a
nation of immigrants, and our state and this country is
stronger because.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Of our immigrant communities.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
Unfortunately, our immigration system is broken, but rather than fix it,
the federal government continues to play politics with it.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So Governor Stein in North Carolina, Michael, does he get
all of his talking points from MSNBC? How does that work?
Speaker 9 (36:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Absolutely? I mean that is lock stock and barrel, the
messaging platform from the far left, the progressive radical left.
The fact is, if Roy Cooper had signed that legislation
and Griff had honored their ICE detainers, then we probably
would not need to have President Trump sending his administration
down here and taking these people off of the streets.
(37:10):
Nobody can dispute the fact that the hundreds of arrests
that have been made are people who have criminal records
and should not be walking the streets, whether it's in
Charlotte or Raleigh or anywhere else in North Carolina. And
the fact is that there are thousands of people who
are in North Carolina jails right now that are not
being turned over to ICE when they are illegal aliens.
(37:32):
Is a huge problem. That is the fault of Roy
Cooper is a total failure of leadership on his part.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Now, Roy Cooper, your opponent in the Senate race, is
going to be trying to convince everybody that, you know,
he's a pragmatic Democrat, one of the reasonable Democrats. Right.
I mean, we're seeing right now in real time what
that actually means on say, illegal immigration and the enforcement
underway from the Trump administration. Democrats are expecting to pretend
(38:00):
that this is like the East German Stazi picking up
innocent people off the streets. Whatever. Where are some other
key areas of difference between what you would bring the
United States Senate versus Roy Cooper. Just so we have
a huge audience all across North Carolina, I want them
to hear from you how you two guys would be
(38:21):
markedly different and what that would mean in the United
States Senate.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Well, we certainly could talk about the fact that he
vetoed six different bills with tax cuts, bounce budgets, police
pay raises, and teacher pay raises. And we can talk
about the legislation that he vetoed that would have kept
boys out of girls sports and men out of women's
locker rooms. But I think that probably the most important
thing that we're going to need to talk about is
(38:45):
keeping our kids in our communities safe. And Roy Cooper,
when he was the governor in twenty twenty, when we
had Antifa and BLM riding all across North Carolina, was
out there marching with them in protest, and also signed
an executive order that basically created cashlest bail and pre
trial release in North Carolina, created a revolving door for
(39:07):
all of our criminals and led to violent crime spikes
in all major North Carolina cities. And that that is
the reason why we had to ren A Zeroska, a
beautiful young lady who was murdered in Charlotte has kind
of been held up as the most vivid example where
her murderer had been arrested fourteen different times and released
(39:29):
under Roy Cooper's soft on crime policies. That we need
to keep our kids in our community safe. That is
the number one function for any government, whether it's state, local,
or federal, and we need, ultimately to have policies that
are going to be set at the federal level to
keep our kids in community safe, and we cannot trust
(39:50):
Roy Cooper with it. But at the end of the day,
this is going to come down to a vote in
the Senate and whether we're going to have somebody who
will be an ally for President Trump and stand up
for the conservative values of North Carolina, or are we
going to have a radical progressive, a card carrying member
of the woke mob like Roy Cooper. And ultimately, at
the end of the day, North Carolina is going to
(40:11):
side with North Carolina values. They do not want a
candidate who's going to fight every day harder for criminals
and illegal aliens than he is his own constituents.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, Michael, make sure that you keep in touch with
us here and our team so that as you get
deeper into this race and you have i'm sure a
debate that will happen with Roy Cooper. You know, we
want to get the word out and continue to talk
about this one because, as you point out, it's North
Carolina and Maine that are the big targets for Democrat pickups.
So hundreds of millions of dollars going to be spent
(40:42):
against you. A lot of it's going to come from
Nalabu and Manhattan. But anyway, as you already know, where
can people go to follow what you're doing, help out
pitch in.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Excellent Michael Wattley dot com is the website and they
can follow me on x at Wattley NC.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Bring home the w for us. Michael, thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you again soon, Yes, sir, take care.
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News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay
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Speaker 1 (42:12):
A couple of things today I want to throw into
the mix for our conversation, for our rumination on and
I want to get your thoughts on it. For sure,
I thought this was interesting. It plays into some broader
narratives and concerns that we have. One is this Pew
Pole Pew Research Center came out just a few days ago,
(42:35):
and it's making the rounds now that twelfth grade girls
are less likely than twelfth grade boys to say they
actually want to get married someday. Now more overall of
twelfth graders, so these are roughly eight like eighteen year
(42:57):
olds right a summer seventeen, summer nineteen, but twelfth graders,
I think are basically eighteen eighteen to nineteen. More of
them say they would not get married someday, but not
a lot more. But the thing that I found more
interesting about the data here, and this is also the
kind of polling where I think it. I don't think
it's hard to do this pretty accurately. I think that
(43:17):
you're asking for people's opinions. They're easy enough to find.
They're going to share these opinions, So it's not some
political incentive to mess with this data. It's not like
an election or something. So I think that what's there's
there's something that's concerning here and something that I actually
find encouraging. I'll start with the concerning side of this,
(43:38):
the concerning side of it now, is that sixty one
percent of girls say that they want to get married someday.
As if I'm reading this data correctly, boys are more
likely than girls to say they want to get married
some day seventy four percent versus sixty one percent. Only
sixty one percent of girls say they want to get married.
(44:02):
What is going on here? Well, I think we know
what's going on unfortunately our society, and I think, look,
I've only I've only been around for a certain period
of time, as you know. But for my entire adult life,
to be sure, there has been this I call it
(44:24):
like the Sex and the City Sex and the City effect,
the boss boss girl stuff. There has been a very
clear effort in our culture, a broad, broad effort in
our culture to tell young women to act like men,
not to pretend they're men. That's that's also happening. That's
(44:46):
a separate issue, right, that's the trends thing. But to
engage socially, certainly professionally as men do, and to view
dating and lookup culture the way that men do, and
to instead of having legal equality and illegal right to
(45:09):
choose their own destiny, they should view themselves more as
equal as in the same as men and young women
are not the same as young men. You and I
know this is not a recipe for long term happiness
for women. This is not going to result in good
life choices for most of the women. There are always exceptions.
(45:31):
We're talking about roughly, you know, a big chunk of
humanity here. We're talking about women in the eighteen to
thirty year old age age range here. But I'll tell
you I know this just from if we want to
get anecdotal. I know so many women who are my
age now, they're in their forties that I grew up
(45:51):
with in New York and they had nothing but options,
and a lot of them are not married, and they're
never going to have families now, And what do we
What would I say to them if they wanted to
hear my opinion on this, which I don't think they do.
They're probably not listening to this show. But they were
completely misled by the culture. They were put down a
(46:14):
pathway that was very likely to cause misery. And they're
even little small things along the way here. I remember
when I was when I was graduating from college, everybody
around me wanted to work at an investment bank or
a management consultant. Firm. Maybe that was an It's not
just an AMAS thing though, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Amhers Williams,
you know, Haverford, Stanford, Duke, all these plays. Everybody wants
(46:36):
to they want you want to come out of school.
You want to make one hundred and fifty grand your
first year out of school, which is what you can
make at some of these places as a twenty two
twenty three year old. And so that was what everybody
wanted to do. But the hours, especially in the investment
banking side, were absolutely miserable and brutal. Eighty ninety hour
weeks expected. That was I mean, if you weren't going
(46:57):
to sign up for that. And I just remember thinking,
I was like, how many of the young women that
I knew in that class, really, why do they want
to do that? And this some way say this is
going to sound sexist. It's not sexist. It's just an
objective view of reality. Men and women have different biological
timelines that they're operating under. That is just a fact.
(47:19):
Young women putting themselves in the cubicle farm from age
twenty two to you know, thirty, to try to make
VP at Goldman Sacks and grinding away indoors and do
all this stuff. Should they be able to do this
if they choose absolutely? Is this going to make most
(47:40):
of them happy? Well, I can tell you none of
the ones that I knew lasted. None of them did
it a couple of years, maybe stayed, stayed in finance,
and they all stopped because guys work overwhelmingly. Why do
guys work in finance? Why do guys do any job
where they can try to make a comfortable living Because
they want want to be an attractive partner, a mate,
(48:02):
husband for a woman, so they can provide for a family.
And you know, this is why these guys put themselves
through this. And you know the data on the other
side of this is also very clear. They've run these
experiments and you don't even have to do you just
think through the experiment. Guy sees a beautiful woman, a
beautiful woman, she's wearing a power suit. She's a boss babe.
(48:23):
Guy sees the same woman in a different context, she's
wearing a McDonald's uniform. The percentage of guys who care
about this is very small, very small, just a fact,
just the truth. They've done these They've done these experiments before.
You know, and and we have led so many of
these women down this young women down this pathway. And
(48:44):
it's my generation that I think it is. I'm a
I'm a graybeard millennial. I do have grand my beard.
I'm a gray beard millennial. My generation was just DEI
and a boss babe, sex and the city stuff just
just decimated. Certainly the people people who grew up in
the big cities and were around this really inundated with
(49:05):
this culture. And and it's still happening. These young women,
you know, you don't don't want to get married. I mean,
you can sit and watch all these interviews that there
there's some very actually good podcasters who do these long
form interviews with CEOs who were wildly successful. And one
thing I've never heard and these different some of these
(49:26):
hosts the diary of a CEO guy. There's others. They're
always told the same thing about these guys who have
more money thany know what to do with more success,
they know what to do with if they had to regret,
it was I wish I spent more time with my family.
And if they're asked what they're most proud of, and
they have a family, you know what they say they're family.
I mean, this is all very very much there for
(49:46):
so I really think that there need to be more
voices speaking to you. Young women are not going to
some of you. By the way, very glad you're listening
to the show. But I don't know if a forty
three year old guy telling women about their life choices
is going to resonate with you know, twenty somethings who
love Taylor Swift, Like, I understand that may not be
(50:07):
my prime demographic for my message, but we need more
women who can speak effectively to them. And it's for
their own good because they're being led down a pathway
that is not turning out well. And the fact that
you're getting close to almost half of women don't want
to get married, young women, eighteen year old women, they
don't want to get married. Now you could say, oh,
(50:29):
maybe they still want to have kids, and I would
say to that, you're gonna have kids. You should get married, Okay,
you should. You should have a stable family. Formation shouldn't
do the shouldn't do this, the baby mama thing, or
the shouldn't do this. Yeah, Prouser ally tells me some
people are getting mad at Taylor Swift for getting married. No, no, no,
(50:51):
this is this is very bad message they have. Okay,
on the good, so that's on the bad side of things. Women,
young women are being absolutely brainwashed, misled. It's terrible. I
see it every way. And the results are just going
to be a lot of a lot of misery for
them later in life or a lot of regret. I
should say, you know, people can find purpose and a
lot of things. And I'm not saying you can't find
(51:12):
purpose without a family, and certainly not saying you can't
find purpose without having children, and a lot of people
have difficulty having children. But we're talking it's like policy,
what is going to bring the greatest happiness results for
the greatest number of people getting married, having a family,
pursuing a life where you are focused day to day
(51:33):
outside of your own needs and wants. It's so important.
It's so important to have things that you care about.
Relationship with God, your wife, your husband, your kids, your
immediate family, you know, your family member that you're a
caretaker or taking care of. You have to care a
(51:54):
cause that's actually worthy, not like climate change, but an
actually worthy cause. You have to care about things beyond
yourself because otherwise you'll just go through the scale of
hedonic adaptation. Things get better, you get used to it. Materially,
things get better. You don't care anymore, you know. I
was recently out with a guy is a friend of
(52:16):
a friend, very nice guy, and I'm not putting him down,
but I just thought it was kind of funny. There's
a car called a Pegani, which I think is costs
like four million dollars six minutes a car. It costs
millions of dollars. I don't know producer rally google what
a Pegani costs. It's absurd. And this guy has eight
(52:38):
of them. And let me tell you something, the ninth Pegani,
he's probably gonna lose it, So it doesn't even care. Right,
you reach this point where that stuff doesn't matter. You
have to find meaning and other things, meaning things outside
of your immediate needs at once. On the upside though,
of this, saying pupil, the fact that young men and
(53:00):
I love it's a huge problem for the Democrat Party.
It's a huge problem for the woke left. Young men
have gotten the message. Young men realize toxic masculinity is
a toxic ideology of nonsense. They have realized that that
the suppression of traits and within masculinity, bravery, courage, aggression
(53:26):
concentrated in the right ways, you know, that the suppression
of these things. Wanting to be the leader of a family,
wanting to be the leader of a of a of
a community, well and whatever way that is. I want
to be a leader in the workplace. That the suppression
of that is just absolute nonsense and really destructive. And
(53:48):
young men are realizing this is why they are turning
away from the Democrat Party. That's why young men are
increasingly going back to For those those who are Christian
going back to church, they want more. They want to lead,
They want to be spiritual leaders. They want to be
people that they want to be someone that though their
(54:10):
wife can count on, yes, to defend them, to protect
them physically, but also emotionally and spiritually, to be there for.
We want to have our roles. We want to pursue
the best of what it is to be a man.
Young men want to get married in greater numbers. According
(54:31):
to Pew. They want to be masculine, not you know,
just oh, I'm shooting up a lot of steroids and
you know I look like he man or whatever. No,
it's about fulfilling their masculine imperative, their masculine destiny to
be men, that they become good men. They get it
(54:54):
in greater numbers, and it's just because of the failure
of what the left is offering, undermining and the hypocrisy
and the smugness of our culture of leftism and liberalism
and all this other nonsense that's just constantly degrading and
pulling men down. They see it, and they've had enough,
(55:16):
and they know there's something better. And I just truly
hope that the young women of America are on the
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Welcome everybody. Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. A lot going on,
so we know yesterday when I was on the air
with you, Oh, Clay will in fact call us from
his super secret mission abroad this hour, So we're gonna
(00:20):
set that up for you. Clay's out for the week's traveling,
but he wants to tell you what he's been up to.
One of you might have already guessed it, which was
a pretty remarkable, remarkable thing. But he'll be joining us
later on, and we also have Michael Wattley joining He's
running for Senate North Carolina, so looking forward to that
(00:41):
as that conversation gets rolling. Now. Now, we had yesterday
the House all voting in favor of except for one guy,
a Republican voting in favor of the Epstein Transparency Act.
And then we had and last night the Senate passing
(01:05):
the same bill unanimously. Senators locked in agreement, automatically passing
the bill as soon as it came in from the House.
Just looking at the updates here. Once the President signs
the bill, the Justice Department has thirty days to release
materials related to Jeffrey Epstein. Now this is moving. The
(01:29):
President has already said that he believes this is or
that he's supportive of this. Now he has said that
he thinks this is the right move. So we're going
to get into what's going to happen here. It's not
like we're going to know all of the details even
for some time here. There may be further redactions that happen,
(01:52):
or rather that we will have to contend with, because
my sense is if the redactions are extensive enough, then
people will say that's not gonna fly, that's not good enough.
There have to be more things that are released. So
that's one possibility. Another possibility is that there's nothing massive
(02:16):
I say massive in the information that is released, the files,
if you will, of this investigation, and then people just
say they hid stuff, and there's still a clamoring for
more transparency, more. Those are all the things. Those are
some of the things that I think could come out
of this. But there was this today as I was
(02:37):
preparing for our show. Here this is cut twenty seven Pambondi,
the Attorney General, referring to the Epstein investigation as a
pending investigation. Play twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The issue with the new information that you just indicated,
are is the Department seeking information perhaps from the Epstein
is State because mister Blanche did not have that information
when he interviewed de Lane Maxwell. What new information? And
would you limit the new investigation to just those named
persons that the President talked about or is this a
(03:12):
broad open ended investigation.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I would refer to the Deputy Attorney General's post that
he put out on X and we will We're not
going to say anything else on that because now it
is a pending investigation in the Southern District of New.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
York, a pending investigation. Meanwhile, the House has demanded Epstein
financial records from JP Morgan Chase, Deutsche Bank, and the
US Virgin Islands. That's just in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
A few things here I can't tell you. I don't
know obviously, none of you know, no one outside of
a very small circle nose in this release that Donald Trump,
I am very confident, is going to sign the final step,
if you will, before the release. And then there's thirty days,
so we're gonna wait a bit. We're gonna wait a
(04:13):
bit for this information. I don't know exactly how many days,
but they have up to thirty days to release. Maybe
it'll come much faster than that. We'll see how the
bureaucracy handles this. But I sit here and I say
to myself, because you know, and the House has already
released sixty five thousand documents related to Epstein, you know
(04:33):
very well that I have been pounding a certain drum
on this issue of follow the money, follow the money.
It is completely unthinkable, unthinkable to me, or rather it
should be unthinkable maybe a better way of putting it,
that we do not have a full accounting of how
(04:57):
Epstein pulled together a fortune that was approaching a billion dollars.
This guy did not create some new product, He did
not found some company. He was not some hedge fun
guy running thirty billion dollars of other people's money. There
are ways you can make a billion dollars. Tax advice
(05:20):
is not one of them. It's just not one of them.
And so this then brings up how did he make
this money? Why is it that there were some people
in Epstein's orbit who were unbelievably and I mean that
in the real sense of can't believe it, unbelievably generous
(05:42):
to him. Why the money, I think is the single
best chance we have to get these answers. According to
subpoenias that were just put out by the House, JP
Morgan Chase began an internal investigation into accounts previous held
by Epstein, flagging some forty seven hundred transactions as suspicious.
(06:05):
Epstein held accounts and bench with the bank with Deutsche
Bank from twenty thirteen until twenty eighteen. So they're going
back in here into the money trail, and I sit
here wondering how it is. And by the way, I
want to be clear that sometimes I will ask questions
here that are rhetorical because something isn't adding up. How
(06:28):
is it possible that we don't have a full and
clear understanding of where all of Epstein's money came from.
We've had a little bit here, a little bit there,
but this should be obvious. And I might add, if
it's somewhere already, if they have the the flow chart
of funds, if it's in the release, why haven't we
(06:51):
already been given it? Why is it taking all of
this pressure and all of this time. Why is it
taking us to this place to be in a situation
to finally get those answers? So there's more that is
coming out here. Now. I think you can pretty much
(07:12):
set your watch to this one. No matter what happens
here with the files. In terms of nothing, this is
all about getting Trump for the Democrats. And there's something
very grotesque about Democrats suddenly caring they didn't care about
this during the Biden administration, suddenly caring so much about
(07:36):
the Epstein files, Epstein's victims, all of this. It's hard
not to view it as posturing, because it is posturing,
meant to create the moral high ground from which they
can throw mud at Donald Trump, or at least the
appearance of such a thing. No matter what happens with
(07:56):
these files, I can assure you they will not say,
you know, you know, up is cleared. Trump didn't do
an It didn't do anything. And so that also brings
us to why I think Trump wasn't so immediately in
favor of the release, because no matter how much transparency
he offers, or rather he gives, and for a lot
(08:17):
of people, I understand, this is a file through on
a campaign promise, So you want it irrespective of anything else,
and that's very valid, and clearly Trump has decided that
that's what's going to happen. This should have been done.
I think a lot of people recognize now sooner. A
lot of you were calling in and demanding it, to
which I just kept saying, Yeah, I want more transparency.
(08:38):
I don't have the files, right, it's not in my
power to release them. All we can do is air
as we did, our sense that there's more here and
that there's more to be uncovered. And I think that
that has certainly happened. I think that has certainly been
a very real motivation here right, telling people having the
(09:04):
Trump base come forward and say we don't have the
answers we want. We're not accepting anything else. It's time
for this all to come clean now. Speaker Johnson, he
is pointing out here, this is cut one. He's saying
that the president has nothing to do with it. Democrats
(09:24):
are going to weaponize it. Just be prepared for this.
They're going to attack Trump even if his name doesn't
appear one more time in the files. Play clip one.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
This is a political exercise for Democrats. And it pains
me to say it. I wish that was not the truth,
but it is, and it's undeniable. This is as deceitful
and dishonest, as their pointless stunt was to shut the
government down. Democrats are using the Epstein tragedy, the unspeakable
evils that this guy committed with his trafficking ring and
all of the abuses that they that they made these
(09:53):
young women go through. They're using that as a political
weapon to try to distract from their failures as a
party and to try their best to try to tie
President Trump somehow into this wretched scandal. The President had
nothing to do with it. He's been very clear and
he has nothing to hide, and that's why he's endorsed
the vote today.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think that's where we are. I think the President
is about to show all of his naysayers, detractors, haters.
They're haters, they're not detractors, and they're deranged. In many cases.
They hate him in a way that is that is irrational,
and that is extreme to the point of being unhealthy.
Trump Arrangement syndrome. But they're not going to ever say
(10:31):
that it's enough. You can never convince the people who
have been trying to dirty Trump up with Epstein that
there's not more to be found that would prove that
Trump is really the bad guy. So just be prepared
for that, and in fact, Chuck Schumer is out there
saying already that this is and this has cut three
one of the worst, most damaging moments of the Trump presidency.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
This will go down as one of the most damaging
moments of Donald Trump's presidency. In trying so hard to
hide the truth, Donald Trump has provoked the fiercest rebellion
he's ever faced among his own supporters, both in Congress
and around the country. All the line, all the broken
promises about transparency, all the bullying and threats to members
(11:13):
of Congress who wanted these files released, it's all blown
up in Donald Trump's face. His usual methods of intimidation
and dishonesty have failed spectacularly in this instance.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So we are to believe if you listen to Chuck
Schumer there, who's had a rough go of it lately,
you know, the whole Schumer shut down disaster for him. Politically,
people are realizing the guy's too old. Whatever fastball used
to have is no longer there. Chuck Schumer is saying,
this is such a disaster. We are to believe that
the Biden doj which was on a jihad against Trump,
(11:51):
we are to believe that they had derogatory information about
Donald Trump while they were prosecuting him in a two
federal criminal trials that were, as we know, political, totally
politically motivate, but that they didn't release this. How does
(12:13):
that add up? You know, they never really address this.
They just didn't pay attention. It's not hard. You have
all these files, especially now with AI. I'm going to
tell you something. You could find Trump's name and find
every reference to him in seconds doing a simple search.
And you could use AI to find anything that even
vaguely is Trump adjacent in all these documents. So don't
(12:35):
tell me all they didn't have the manpower, they didn't
have the ability to figure this out. No, they're doing
this because for one thing, unfortunately, they have been successful
and completely changing the national political conversation away from the stupidity,
the selfishness, and the absurdity and the destruction of the
(12:58):
Schumer shutdown they've already managed. Notice, does it even feel
like we had a month long government shutdown for no
good reason except for a Democrat tantrum? Feels like it
was years ago now because they've completely shifted the conversation
that's already happened I can't stop it. You know, I
wish I had the power to direct the whole national conversation.
We've got millions of you who listen, but there's you know,
(13:20):
three hundred and fifty million people in the country when
you add all the illegals, something like that. So here
we are, and we're going to see Trump. We're going
to see Trump signing this, and then there's going to
be more files released and we'll continue to work through them.
I do not believe there will be a smoking gun.
I was actually on with Piers Morgan for his show
(13:40):
which will be airing later today, and Peers dramatically strenuously
disagrees with me on this. He thinks that there are
people who are going to go to prison over the
what's in the I completely I just don't see it,
because the DOJ then would have to admit that they
were holding files that should have brought prosecution for child
(14:01):
sex traffickers. Really, they're right at the deal. I mean,
I'm not saying that it's impossible to believe the dj
would do that, but it's pretty extreme. That's that's quite
a stretch. And then they're going to release it and
have to say, oh yeah, we were covering up for
these guys. Are people even going to accept this? Ask
(14:23):
yourself this question. Ask it now? Are people going to
accept if they do put out all this stuff they've
got in their possession? Will there be an acceptance that
this is everything that they really have? Will we ever
get all the answers? This is the reality of this
moment we find ourselves in. I want to take your calls,
(14:45):
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
Welcome back into the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
As the name implies, there are two of us, but
some of us go on fancy International Man of mystery
tours and stuff their faces with delicious pasta and do
other cool things.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But they will call in from said mission. Mister Clay
Travis joins us. Tell us where you are first, Clay.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
I am in Rome.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I'm overlooking the tomb of Augustus. And I got to
go and see the Pope today in the Vatican to
to you know, complete this this idea, yeah, that we had,
which I think was a pretty cool one to invite
the Pope to come to Chicago and throw out an
(17:08):
opening pitch for the Chicago White Sox. So all of
this has has happened. Today it's evening, getting ready to
go out and have some wine and have a good dinner.
But it was an awesome day.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So UH, that was.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
The super secret trip. I didn't want to step on
anything about the about the process of getting that invite
out to the Pope. But UH got to meet the
ambassadors UH to Italy and the UH and the UH
Vatican City got to be there for the UH for
the offer to the Pope.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And UH.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
There's video and UH and footage. I think that's going
to be up on OutKick soon that we'll try to
get shared with you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So so you you have met with the pontiff. You're
not you're not a Catholic, right, Clay? I am not? Yeah,
and you're not.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
And uh but it was it was a yes.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But certainly what I was gonna say is of people,
right for our Catholic audience is like a really really
big deal. You know, it would be amazing to be
able to actually meet the Pope in person. What was it?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I mean, take us through this, So it's did he
did he tell you that? You know, Nick Saban is
the greatest of all time? Like did he make a
sports choke?
Speaker 9 (18:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Did he bless you? Take us? Take where did you
see him? You got to give us some of these details.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
So on Wednesday they do a open public forum, a
sort of pope address in many different languages, you know,
with probably ten fifteen thousand people maybe more than that
in the in the square outside of Saint Peter's outdoor.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It was a great weather.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
I believe they have a big public area down on
the in the in the larger sort of plaza there.
We were up close to the stage. He does all
of his all of his homily, his address in multiple
different languages, and then afterwards there are people that he greets.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And the new.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
Owner of the Chicago White Sox happens to be a
law school classmate of mine, and we were a couple
of months ago sitting around trying to think of ways
that he could introduce himself to the people of Chicago.
And I had seen the JD Vance presents a Chicago
Bears jersey to the Pope, and I said, you know
(19:43):
what we should You should invite him to come and
throw out the first pitch at a proposed new stadium
that they are in the process of of working through
in Chicago for the White Sox. And that seems like
a good idea, And then the process of okay, well,
how do you get in touch with the Pope to
(20:05):
be able to get a meeting. He seems really really
excited at the idea. He got a For people out
there who are sports fans, the Chicago White Sox won
the World Series in two thousand and five and Pope Leo,
obviously not the Pope then, was in the crowd at
the World Series and so he's a huge White Sox fan.
(20:29):
And so my friend, the new owner, one of the
new owners soon to be officially the owner, got the
whole team from two thousand and five to sign a
White Sox jersey from that year, and then also conveyed
the offer to the Pope, you know, schedule permitting for
the Pope to come and throw out the first pitch
(20:51):
when they opened the stadium. Pope hasn't been, to my knowledge,
to Chicago since nineteen seventy nine. So again, this happened
early this morning in uh, in the Vatican and is
becoming a big story obviously in Chicago, and I think
a lot of people are finding it to be, uh,
just a you know, awesome, cool story in general. Uh overall,
(21:13):
if you are you know, there's not a particular political
connotation to it or anything like that, but if you
are a fan of sports, it's just kind of cool
to have an American pope and someone who is going
to to hopefully in the next couple of years be
able to come to Chicago and uh and and do
something incredibly unique and awesome in the in the city.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So that's kind of so the offer was made, but
we don't know, we we don't yet know if the
Pope is going to be able to do this. Is
that is that right?
Speaker 9 (21:46):
Well? He just I mean the Pope's schedule, as one
might imagine, is very busy. He said that he wants
to do it. We've got to figure out exactly what
the date is, but it's kind of what I would
say as a conditional acceptance. He knew that the offer
was coming. He was excited to be able to get
the offer, to get the jersey, to be able to
meet and Uh, I think he's going to Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think he's.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Going to try and uh and and I mean he
said he's going to try and do it, so it
could it should be a pretty awesome event.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Look at you, globe trotting so like making just.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Trying to do good things and make the world a
little bit better place, as everyone assumes that I always
will be trying to.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Do and Clay Clay is uh is making his making
his moves over there at the Catholic Rock of Saint Peter,
that is the church. Uh So, now tell me what
you think about the epstein Foss since we got you
on the phone, says we got you.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
I'm glad that everybody has voted to release him. Buck,
You've got the rest of the show. I am going
to have abundant amounts of wine tonight and have a
great dinner in Rome. Uh you you brought I hope that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Uh, I'll handle it. I'll handle it. You go have
some gelato with Laura and the kids. Go have fun
and very cool. Congratulations on the meeting with the Pope,
and thank you sir. Come come back Friday or Monday,
whatever you got. We'll see you then. Okay, we'll do
I'll see you, have fun, mat have a good dinner.
So I they said, there you go. Clay met the Pope.
(23:21):
So there's that, and that was why he was. He
was gone this week. It's very exciting, very exciting. The Pope.
Also we did have I was going to read the
email from from Sissy who said that that's what she
thought was happening. And that's a pretty remarkable, pretty remarkable call.
She said, I'm looking forward to hearing the details of
(23:42):
Clay's super secret trip on the show. My guess is
he got a once in a lifetime interview with the
Pope since he's a baseball fan, just a wild guest.
There you go, you nailed it, and Sissy, we got
your follow up. Ema, Oh my goodness, I got it correct,
Clay in the Pope. Maybe I should buy a lottery tickets.
So we did, and that was before Clay tweeted about
this or put it out on x But this was
before that happened. Clay was supposed to reveal this on
(24:05):
the show, but he's Clay. He does whatever he wants.
So there we are team, Why don't we Because we're
gonna have kind of a hard turn coming up here
into the world of from meeting with the Pope to
the release of the Epstein files. We have a little
bit of a transition to do, and we'll rack and
(24:25):
stack some calls and some talkbacks on this one, because
I think that what we are seeing is hopefully what
many of you have been demanding all along. We also
have the White House weighing in on the filibuster via
Caroline Levitt and Trump really rolling out the red carpet
(24:50):
for the Saudi leadership, which is something that I think
this is a good thing for the region, a good
thing for America, for the Middle East, I mean good
thing for America. I think you might see a normalization
of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia under this Trump presidency,
furthering the Abraham Accords, and I think you might see
(25:12):
the big move in the Middle East with regard to that,
and Trump is trying to bring that about. Of course,
there are the detractors, the haters out there, the people
who are upset that Trump would sit with the head
of state of a country that, whether we want to
deal with the Saudis or not, is critical to our
(25:35):
energy infrastructure or rather energy market, and we really don't
have a choice. So why not have a constructive relationship
with the Saudis. Why not try to encourage them to yes,
invest in America, which is a huge focus from Trump,
but also to do what they can to liberalize. I
know Saudi Arabia is an autocracy. I'm fully aware of
(25:57):
the and I know about the past with Saudi Arabia's
role in unfortunately exporting the what we used to refer
to very much as the Wahabist ideology, which is a
radical interpretation of Islam setting up Wahabist mosques all over
the world. They've moved away from that. They've become a
(26:19):
constructive partner for security in the region, and they're making
overtures toward a better relationship with Israel, and that would
be very helpful for Middle East peace and stability. So
that's why that's going on. Also, something else, we're gonna
have Michael Watley joining us later. He's running for Senate
(26:39):
up there in North Carolina, a very important Senate seat.
And there's some major immigration enforcement operations underway in North Carolina.
That there's pushback of course from Democrats. What's really going
on there? When I tell you I have some stats,
When I tell you how many kids are are staying
(27:00):
home because of immigration illegal alien immigration enforcement in North Carolina,
I think you're gonna be pretty shocked. And it gives
you a sense of how enormous the scale of illegal
immigration is and the costs associated with this. You are
(27:21):
paying for this, especially if you live in North Carolina,
live in these districts where the kids are staying home.
You're paying for English as a second language training in
these schools. You are bringing in students from abroad who
are going to be far beyond, a far behind. We
already through the Americans behind grade level, we mean way
(27:41):
behind grade level, and hold the rest of the class back.
I mean, think about this, if English is not their
first language and then they're put in these classrooms. There's
just so much going on here. We'll talk to Michael
Waltley about the immigration enforcement component of this coming up.
And like I said, we'll get to your calls here
Epstein files. Trump is signing it. Congress has said, all right,
(28:01):
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Speaker 1 (29:31):
Let's talk about what's going on in North Carolina. Our
guest here, Michael Wattley, running for a critical Senate seat there. Michael,
appreciate you joining us here calling in. Tell us what
has been going on with your state when it comes
to illegal immigration enforcement. There's been some very interesting exchanges
(29:53):
I'm seeing online.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yeah. Well, the biggest thing to kind of table set
for all of your listeners. Is the fact that my opponent,
Roy Cooper, when he was the governor of North Carolina,
vetoed legislation which would have forced sheriffs to honor ICE
detainers and move violent criminal illegal aliens out of the state.
And so now we have a system where we have
(30:17):
a revolving door that's putting these criminals back on the street.
They are not being deported, and ICE has come in
to make a number of arrests and help clean up
the mess that Roy Cooper has created in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
People who are trying to get a sense of the
scale of the illegal immigration issue. I don't know if
you saw this, It was being shared broadly online. This
number that in the Charlotte Public School system earlier this
week there were twenty one thousand. Now apparently the CMS
data is not finalized yet, but basically twenty one thousand
(30:54):
students miss school in just the Charlotte Public School District
on Monday, which they say is fifteen percent. I mean,
this is this is kind of stunning. I think that
that many kids are affected by because they have legal
immigrant parents. What's going on here? What can you tell
us about this?
Speaker 7 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I think it's stunning. That when you look at the
you know, millions of illegal immigrants that came across the
border during Joe Biden's administration, ten fifteen million immigrants that
came across. Hundreds of thousands of them were known criminals
who had records, and they still were released into you know,
(31:29):
states like North Carolina. The fact is that North Carolina
should not be a border state, but we are a
border state. And so you know, when we think about
having ice come in and be able to take these
people off the street, and they're saying, you know, there've
been over two hundred plus arrests so far. You know,
these are people who've been arrested who have criminal records,
(31:50):
that people who are wanted for criminal records and need
to be deported. It is absolutely a dereliction of duty
for you know, the sheriff of Mecklenburg County, sheriffs of
of Wake County, which is Raleigh, or you know, Durham
County uh to to not honor these ice detainers. And
it was a dereliction of duty for Roy Cooper to
(32:11):
veto legislation. Would it have forced them to be able
to do that?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What kind of drain on the budget has it been
for the state of North Carolina to have And can
you give us a sense there are some places we
think about illegal immigration a lot, right you think about
New York City and the state of California, Texas, you know,
places along the border the Carolinas don't necessarily come to
(32:36):
mind right away. But can you give some sense of
the of the scale and and also the cost for
the people of your state about illegal immigration uh and
and how much of an issue it has become.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Well, it's a huge issue, you know when you talk
about UH, you know, the federal programs in the state
programs UH to be able to help our needy. And
the fact that we have you know, millions of people
around the country illegal aliens that were on medicaid, the
fact that we actually had to pass legislation as part
of the One Big Beautiful Bill to take illegal aliens
(33:10):
and say that they cannot be on medicaid, and the
fact that the Democrats were fighting extremely hard to try
and put you know, those provisions back into place. When
we look at food stamps, we look at at the
wick programs, we look at you know, schools and and
all of the other costs that are out there. The
societal costs for services for illegal aliens is absolutely stupefying,
(33:35):
and it is it is remarkable that that Democrats in
North Carolina and around the country, including Roy Cooper, want
to fight harder for illegal aliens than they do their
own constituents.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Speaking to Michael Wattley, former R and C chair and
candidate for Senate in North Carolina, I know it's technically
early in that cycle, Michael, but the Republican Party has
already been, you know, moving forward with your candidacy, trying
to trying to back back things up, back you up
(34:09):
in this because I think they recognize, Man, the Democrats,
what kind of money are they going to put behind
Roy Cooper to try to get this Senate see.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Well, it's going to be the most expensive Senate race
in the history of the country. We've seen estimates that
this could be as high as six hundred to eight
hundred million dollars that will be spent in North Carolina.
We know that Democrats are going to pour hundreds of
millions of dollars into the race. It's it's really they're
they're one of two pick up opportunities that they have
(34:38):
all around the country. Susan Collins up in Maine being
the other one. And the fact is, we're going to
have the support of President Trump, We're going to have
the support of the grassroots, We're going to have the support,
you know, from people all across North Carolina to be
able to go toe to toe with that out of
state money. But you know, we we look at, you know,
the amount of money that Roy Cooper is going to
(34:59):
be able to bring in from around the country, and
it's not daunting because as we saw in the last
election cycle, President Trump got outspent by a billion dollars.
Kamala Harris, you know, raised and spent you know, two
point five billion dollars, but she had a terrible message.
And you know, good policy is good politics. So we're
going to win this race even if we're outspent, because
(35:22):
we're going to be focused on creating jobs and raising wages.
We're going to be focused on keeping our kids in
our community safe, and obviously this current conversation is a
big part of that. And we're also going to focus
on making sure that our men and women in uniform
have what they need to protect our interests in our
allies around the world.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I wanted to let you react to Josh Stein, the
governor of North Carolina. Here, Michael, this has cut seventeen
on our on our sheet team. He's he's saying, well,
I'll let everybody hear what he's saying, play seventeen.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
We've seen masks, heavily armed agents and paramilitary garb driving
unmarked cars, targeting American citizens based on their skin color,
racially profiling and picking up random people in parking lots
and off of our sidewalks, going after landscaper simply decorating
a Christmas tree in someone's front yard, and entering churches
and stores to grab people. This is not making us safer.
(36:19):
It's stoking fear and dividing our community. We are a
nation of immigrants, and our state and this country is
stronger because.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Of our immigrant communities.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
Unfortunately, our immigration system is broken, but rather than fix it,
the federal government continues to play politics with it.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So Governor Stein in North Carolina, Michael, does he get
all of his talking points from MSNBC? How does that work?
Speaker 9 (36:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Absolutely? I mean that is lock stock and barrel, the
messaging platform from the far left, the progressive radical left.
The fact is, if Roy Cooper had signed that legislation
and Griff had honored their ICE detainers, then we probably
would not need to have President Trump sending his administration
down here and taking these people off of the streets.
(37:10):
Nobody can dispute the fact that the hundreds of arrests
that have been made are people who have criminal records
and should not be walking the streets, whether it's in
Charlotte or Raleigh or anywhere else in North Carolina. And
the fact is that there are thousands of people who
are in North Carolina jails right now that are not
being turned over to ICE when they are illegal aliens.
(37:32):
Is a huge problem. That is the fault of Roy
Cooper is a total failure of leadership on his part.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Now, Roy Cooper, your opponent in the Senate race, is
going to be trying to convince everybody that, you know,
he's a pragmatic Democrat, one of the reasonable Democrats. Right.
I mean, we're seeing right now in real time what
that actually means on say, illegal immigration and the enforcement
underway from the Trump administration. Democrats are expecting to pretend
(38:00):
that this is like the East German Stazi picking up
innocent people off the streets. Whatever. Where are some other
key areas of difference between what you would bring the
United States Senate versus Roy Cooper. Just so we have
a huge audience all across North Carolina, I want them
to hear from you how you two guys would be
(38:21):
markedly different and what that would mean in the United
States Senate.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Well, we certainly could talk about the fact that he
vetoed six different bills with tax cuts, bounce budgets, police
pay raises, and teacher pay raises. And we can talk
about the legislation that he vetoed that would have kept
boys out of girls sports and men out of women's
locker rooms. But I think that probably the most important
thing that we're going to need to talk about is
(38:45):
keeping our kids in our communities safe. And Roy Cooper,
when he was the governor in twenty twenty, when we
had Antifa and BLM riding all across North Carolina, was
out there marching with them in protest, and also signed
an executive order that basically created cashlest bail and pre
trial release in North Carolina, created a revolving door for
(39:07):
all of our criminals and led to violent crime spikes
in all major North Carolina cities. And that that is
the reason why we had to ren A Zeroska, a
beautiful young lady who was murdered in Charlotte has kind
of been held up as the most vivid example where
her murderer had been arrested fourteen different times and released
(39:29):
under Roy Cooper's soft on crime policies. That we need
to keep our kids in our community safe. That is
the number one function for any government, whether it's state, local,
or federal, and we need, ultimately to have policies that
are going to be set at the federal level to
keep our kids in community safe, and we cannot trust
(39:50):
Roy Cooper with it. But at the end of the day,
this is going to come down to a vote in
the Senate and whether we're going to have somebody who
will be an ally for President Trump and stand up
for the conservative values of North Carolina, or are we
going to have a radical progressive, a card carrying member
of the woke mob like Roy Cooper. And ultimately, at
the end of the day, North Carolina is going to
(40:11):
side with North Carolina values. They do not want a
candidate who's going to fight every day harder for criminals
and illegal aliens than he is his own constituents.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, Michael, make sure that you keep in touch with
us here and our team so that as you get
deeper into this race and you have i'm sure a
debate that will happen with Roy Cooper. You know, we
want to get the word out and continue to talk
about this one because, as you point out, it's North
Carolina and Maine that are the big targets for Democrat pickups.
So hundreds of millions of dollars going to be spent
(40:42):
against you. A lot of it's going to come from
Nalabu and Manhattan. But anyway, as you already know, where
can people go to follow what you're doing, help out
pitch in.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Excellent Michael Wattley dot com is the website and they
can follow me on x at Wattley NC.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Bring home the w for us. Michael, thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you again soon, Yes, sir, take care.
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News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay
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Speaker 1 (42:12):
A couple of things today I want to throw into
the mix for our conversation, for our rumination on and
I want to get your thoughts on it. For sure,
I thought this was interesting. It plays into some broader
narratives and concerns that we have. One is this Pew
Pole Pew Research Center came out just a few days ago,
(42:35):
and it's making the rounds now that twelfth grade girls
are less likely than twelfth grade boys to say they
actually want to get married someday. Now more overall of
twelfth graders, so these are roughly eight like eighteen year
(42:57):
olds right a summer seventeen, summer nineteen, but twelfth graders,
I think are basically eighteen eighteen to nineteen. More of
them say they would not get married someday, but not
a lot more. But the thing that I found more
interesting about the data here, and this is also the
kind of polling where I think it. I don't think
it's hard to do this pretty accurately. I think that
(43:17):
you're asking for people's opinions. They're easy enough to find.
They're going to share these opinions, So it's not some
political incentive to mess with this data. It's not like
an election or something. So I think that what's there's
there's something that's concerning here and something that I actually
find encouraging. I'll start with the concerning side of this,
(43:38):
the concerning side of it now, is that sixty one
percent of girls say that they want to get married someday.
As if I'm reading this data correctly, boys are more
likely than girls to say they want to get married
some day seventy four percent versus sixty one percent. Only
sixty one percent of girls say they want to get married.
(44:02):
What is going on here? Well, I think we know
what's going on unfortunately our society, and I think, look,
I've only I've only been around for a certain period
of time, as you know. But for my entire adult life,
to be sure, there has been this I call it
(44:24):
like the Sex and the City Sex and the City effect,
the boss boss girl stuff. There has been a very
clear effort in our culture, a broad, broad effort in
our culture to tell young women to act like men,
not to pretend they're men. That's that's also happening. That's
(44:46):
a separate issue, right, that's the trends thing. But to
engage socially, certainly professionally as men do, and to view
dating and lookup culture the way that men do, and
to instead of having legal equality and illegal right to
(45:09):
choose their own destiny, they should view themselves more as
equal as in the same as men and young women
are not the same as young men. You and I
know this is not a recipe for long term happiness
for women. This is not going to result in good
life choices for most of the women. There are always exceptions.
(45:31):
We're talking about roughly, you know, a big chunk of
humanity here. We're talking about women in the eighteen to
thirty year old age age range here. But I'll tell
you I know this just from if we want to
get anecdotal. I know so many women who are my
age now, they're in their forties that I grew up
(45:51):
with in New York and they had nothing but options,
and a lot of them are not married, and they're
never going to have families now, And what do we
What would I say to them if they wanted to
hear my opinion on this, which I don't think they do.
They're probably not listening to this show. But they were
completely misled by the culture. They were put down a
(46:14):
pathway that was very likely to cause misery. And they're
even little small things along the way here. I remember
when I was when I was graduating from college, everybody
around me wanted to work at an investment bank or
a management consultant. Firm. Maybe that was an It's not
just an AMAS thing though, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Amhers Williams,
you know, Haverford, Stanford, Duke, all these plays. Everybody wants
(46:36):
to they want you want to come out of school.
You want to make one hundred and fifty grand your
first year out of school, which is what you can
make at some of these places as a twenty two
twenty three year old. And so that was what everybody
wanted to do. But the hours, especially in the investment
banking side, were absolutely miserable and brutal. Eighty ninety hour
weeks expected. That was I mean, if you weren't going
(46:57):
to sign up for that. And I just remember thinking,
I was like, how many of the young women that
I knew in that class, really, why do they want
to do that? And this some way say this is
going to sound sexist. It's not sexist. It's just an
objective view of reality. Men and women have different biological
timelines that they're operating under. That is just a fact.
(47:19):
Young women putting themselves in the cubicle farm from age
twenty two to you know, thirty, to try to make
VP at Goldman Sacks and grinding away indoors and do
all this stuff. Should they be able to do this
if they choose absolutely? Is this going to make most
(47:40):
of them happy? Well, I can tell you none of
the ones that I knew lasted. None of them did
it a couple of years, maybe stayed, stayed in finance,
and they all stopped because guys work overwhelmingly. Why do
guys work in finance? Why do guys do any job
where they can try to make a comfortable living Because
they want want to be an attractive partner, a mate,
(48:02):
husband for a woman, so they can provide for a family.
And you know, this is why these guys put themselves
through this. And you know the data on the other
side of this is also very clear. They've run these
experiments and you don't even have to do you just
think through the experiment. Guy sees a beautiful woman, a
beautiful woman, she's wearing a power suit. She's a boss babe.
(48:23):
Guy sees the same woman in a different context, she's
wearing a McDonald's uniform. The percentage of guys who care
about this is very small, very small, just a fact,
just the truth. They've done these They've done these experiments before.
You know, and and we have led so many of
these women down this young women down this pathway. And
(48:44):
it's my generation that I think it is. I'm a
I'm a graybeard millennial. I do have grand my beard.
I'm a gray beard millennial. My generation was just DEI
and a boss babe, sex and the city stuff just
just decimated. Certainly the people people who grew up in
the big cities and were around this really inundated with
(49:05):
this culture. And and it's still happening. These young women,
you know, you don't don't want to get married. I mean,
you can sit and watch all these interviews that there
there's some very actually good podcasters who do these long
form interviews with CEOs who were wildly successful. And one
thing I've never heard and these different some of these
(49:26):
hosts the diary of a CEO guy. There's others. They're
always told the same thing about these guys who have
more money thany know what to do with more success,
they know what to do with if they had to regret,
it was I wish I spent more time with my family.
And if they're asked what they're most proud of, and
they have a family, you know what they say they're family.
I mean, this is all very very much there for
(49:46):
so I really think that there need to be more
voices speaking to you. Young women are not going to
some of you. By the way, very glad you're listening
to the show. But I don't know if a forty
three year old guy telling women about their life choices
is going to resonate with you know, twenty somethings who
love Taylor Swift, Like, I understand that may not be
(50:07):
my prime demographic for my message, but we need more
women who can speak effectively to them. And it's for
their own good because they're being led down a pathway
that is not turning out well. And the fact that
you're getting close to almost half of women don't want
to get married, young women, eighteen year old women, they
don't want to get married. Now you could say, oh,
(50:29):
maybe they still want to have kids, and I would
say to that, you're gonna have kids. You should get married, Okay,
you should. You should have a stable family. Formation shouldn't
do the shouldn't do this, the baby mama thing, or
the shouldn't do this. Yeah, Prouser ally tells me some
people are getting mad at Taylor Swift for getting married. No, no, no,
(50:51):
this is this is very bad message they have. Okay,
on the good, so that's on the bad side of things. Women,
young women are being absolutely brainwashed, misled. It's terrible. I
see it every way. And the results are just going
to be a lot of a lot of misery for
them later in life or a lot of regret. I
should say, you know, people can find purpose and a
lot of things. And I'm not saying you can't find
(51:12):
purpose without a family, and certainly not saying you can't
find purpose without having children, and a lot of people
have difficulty having children. But we're talking it's like policy,
what is going to bring the greatest happiness results for
the greatest number of people getting married, having a family,
pursuing a life where you are focused day to day
(51:33):
outside of your own needs and wants. It's so important.
It's so important to have things that you care about.
Relationship with God, your wife, your husband, your kids, your
immediate family, you know, your family member that you're a
caretaker or taking care of. You have to care a
(51:54):
cause that's actually worthy, not like climate change, but an
actually worthy cause. You have to care about things beyond
yourself because otherwise you'll just go through the scale of
hedonic adaptation. Things get better, you get used to it. Materially,
things get better. You don't care anymore, you know. I
was recently out with a guy is a friend of
(52:16):
a friend, very nice guy, and I'm not putting him down,
but I just thought it was kind of funny. There's
a car called a Pegani, which I think is costs
like four million dollars six minutes a car. It costs
millions of dollars. I don't know producer rally google what
a Pegani costs. It's absurd. And this guy has eight
(52:38):
of them. And let me tell you something, the ninth Pegani,
he's probably gonna lose it, So it doesn't even care. Right,
you reach this point where that stuff doesn't matter. You
have to find meaning and other things, meaning things outside
of your immediate needs at once. On the upside though,
of this, saying pupil, the fact that young men and
(53:00):
I love it's a huge problem for the Democrat Party.
It's a huge problem for the woke left. Young men
have gotten the message. Young men realize toxic masculinity is
a toxic ideology of nonsense. They have realized that that
the suppression of traits and within masculinity, bravery, courage, aggression
(53:26):
concentrated in the right ways, you know, that the suppression
of these things. Wanting to be the leader of a family,
wanting to be the leader of a of a of
a community, well and whatever way that is. I want
to be a leader in the workplace. That the suppression
of that is just absolute nonsense and really destructive. And
(53:48):
young men are realizing this is why they are turning
away from the Democrat Party. That's why young men are
increasingly going back to For those those who are Christian
going back to church, they want more. They want to lead,
They want to be spiritual leaders. They want to be
people that they want to be someone that though their
(54:10):
wife can count on, yes, to defend them, to protect
them physically, but also emotionally and spiritually, to be there for.
We want to have our roles. We want to pursue
the best of what it is to be a man.
Young men want to get married in greater numbers. According
(54:31):
to Pew. They want to be masculine, not you know,
just oh, I'm shooting up a lot of steroids and
you know I look like he man or whatever. No,
it's about fulfilling their masculine imperative, their masculine destiny to
be men, that they become good men. They get it
(54:54):
in greater numbers, and it's just because of the failure
of what the left is offering, undermining and the hypocrisy
and the smugness of our culture of leftism and liberalism
and all this other nonsense that's just constantly degrading and
pulling men down. They see it, and they've had enough,
(55:16):
and they know there's something better. And I just truly
hope that the young women of America are on the
precipice of a similar renaissance, a similar rebirth of understanding.
But I'm not sure. I worry women have been greatly
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