Drake Maye for MVP? Week 10 NFL Recap + Joey McGuire On Texas Tech’s BYU Win & The Transfer Portal

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (02:09):
Packer's mind life. Do you do you like keep up
with the college football world?

Speaker 5 (02:13):
I mean I watch it casually. I don't study it
or follow it to in depth.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, but it's so much fun to watch college football knowing.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
It's a great product. It's just a mess of a sport.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Knowing as much as you know about college football, or
or just football in general, when you watch college you
see all these idiotic mistakes taking place, so all these
crazy explosives happen. It is so entertaining. The NFL. It's
just it's so put together, that's the thing. It's like
the good teams are just gonna play good ball, continue

(02:47):
to win, do their thing. Like you watch the Patriots,
it's like they don't make mistakes. They have their explosive
runs here and there the other exploit, but it's like
they're just gonna keep trudge along. They might be the
best team is Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
You're coach of the year right now? Greg?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, I think so, I think And again I'm not
sure if they have the roster. I think there's a
lot of people saying, you know, they're gonna win the
Super Bowl. I'm not there yet. I think obviously they're
a great story. I think Drake may finds himself in
the top, you know, probably three guys in the MVP race,

(03:20):
three or four. I can make an argument that are
all kind of in it together. I think Varebel is
the front runner byle I can't. I'm trying to think
who would even be McDonald?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
McDonald.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
I guess the reason Verbel. I guess the reason Verebel
holds it for me is just considering obviously he's just
getting started. Yeah, you know, like he's just he's brand new,
and and how bad they've been prior. It's not so
much that they're good, it's how fast they've gotten good.
I think we saw elements of Seattle last year, even

(03:51):
though the offense was a bit disjointed, and obviously he
McDonald realized pretty quickly that he had to get that
figured out bringing in Kubiak. But yeah, that's what That's
what gives the lead in my mind to Vrabel, just
how good he's gotten a team that's been bad for
I mean, they've been like bad, bad for multiple seasons
prior to him getting there.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, who oh, yeah, I forget he does. He's probably
got o port NOOI say they're gonna win the super Bowl,
but let me ask you this his video, his video
with Robert Kraft in the suite.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Hey, listen, they are good. I'm just I'm not there.
I'm not ready to say they're going to win the
super Bowl yet.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Super Bowl is a stretch.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The only thing holding them back is a roster because
they really they have the buy in. They play, they
play the game well, but it's like, at what point
do you get overwhelmed because they just they actually just
don't have the talent on the roster to be like, Okay,
this is a super Bowl contending team, but they Drake
May I mean, imagine if he had like number one
wide receivers not not Stefan Diggs is coming off in

(04:53):
a cl not Boody, who you know, kind of has
been like a you don't really know what he is.
He's a two or is he a three? He's just
who It doesn't matter who's out there. He is just
putting the ball where it needs to be.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Tight En Henry. Let me ask you guys something. If
the Patriots win the a f C East, and let's
just say they're three four lost team and there are
one seed in the a f C, how do you
not give Drake May the m v P if he
continues to play at the level, Like I don't know,
who's in your mind probably.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Think if he gets the number one seed, I think
you do.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
The not the knock, because I agree, but the knock
is going to be their schedule because everyone even when
you put out I know it's the NFL, but even
when I tweeted out yesterday, the Patriots are the best
team in the NFL, and all all the people that
are anti Patriots is just all the conversation is revolving
around their schedule and how bad it is because they
what they were fourth last year in the AFC East,

(05:47):
So your fourth obviously you're playing against all the other
fourth as well.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I just think, so you got him winning the
super Bowl. If you're saying that the.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Best I think the best team in the NFL right now,
I think the I think the Super Bowl winner is
going to come out of the NFC West.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
You think the Patriots right now are playing at a
higher level than the Rams than the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I think they're playing at a higher level. Yes, from
what they have, they are doing more with less than
the other team. Drake may is playing MVP caliber right now,
November tenth, whatever day it is, They're the best team
in the NFL. Even though I mean the Seahawks put
a crazy display on defense and offense, and Sam Donald's
playing credible. I think eventually the Patriots are going to lose.

(06:27):
They're going to lose one or two or even three
more games, even with the easy schedule they have. I
Sean McVay, McDonald, those are the two coaches that I
see hoisting Lombardi at this point going into the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's a mind twist right there. I got Seattle on
the Rams better than the if they played tomorrow. I
got Seattle and the Rams both beating the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I agree, God Seattle, Seattle.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
We talked about I think we talked about this last
week that coming into the season, the presumption.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Was the AFC had all the heavy.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Hitters, right know, the three big horse you know, m
VP guys with Lamar, Josh Allen and and Mahomes. And
then the next tier of a FC teams that everyone
thought were on the rise. I mean, I think everyone
Denver has I guess the best record. Aren't they right
now the best? I don't think anyone pretends that they're
the best team in the conference. I don't think that's

(07:21):
if you've watched them play at.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Last week.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I mean, after that game was easy to jump ship.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
Sorry, no, no, So.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
I think coming into the season, right it's always been
where do all the heavy hitting quarterbacks lie. They've they've
lied in the a f C. Now they've got another
one in Drake May. But I think right now, the
best teams, the best balanced offense, defense, passing, game coaching.
I think the best teams are in the NFC. I
think the depth of quality NFC teams, even if all

(07:53):
the superstar name quarterbacks might be on the other, you know,
in the a f C. I think the Rams, I
think Seattle. I still think Philly's going to be in
it down the stretch, just because they've got their rosters
so good and they've been there before. You know, you could.
I still think Green Bay is going to be in
the mix when it all comes. You know, Tonight's game
is going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Detroit.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Detroit's still going to be in the mix. Dan Campbell
takes over play calling. They score a thousand points in
five hundred yards, so it's uh. I just I think
the quality Tampa Bay. I think if they ever get
all of their guys back healthy. I know they lost
obviously yesterday to New England, but you know it feels
like that's a roster that just needs to get some
of their guys back and their contender. I mean, you

(08:37):
look at the potentially the seven teams out of the
NFC in the playoffs, I think you can make an
argument that all seven, regardless if you're the seventh while
you're the seventh seed wildcard or the number one seed
with the bye, I think you can make an argument
you could see all of them making a run.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that absolutely. Yeah. I
just the thing about the Patriots that right now making
the best team to me is the balance they have
on offense. Like Drake May has been outstanding throwing a
deep ball. But I know this conversation always goes back
to the run game, Greg, but they ran the ball effectively.
They had explosives. Was it Henderson? Is that his name? Henderson?

(09:16):
Two explosives, two touchdowns, the fact that he's as fast
as he is, he's able to look over the silence.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Should I score?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Should I not score? Like that, that team, to me
is playing the best football in the NFL. Right now
we're going I mean, did you guys were able to
watch the Seattle Cardinals game? No, that was incredible. The
game was just watching Seattle and then being able to
take over in the first quarter. Was I think they
scored their twenty first point like three seconds into the second.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Quarter, because then they have a defensive touchdown.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
They had two defensive touchdowns. It was Knight who caused
both fumbles, and it was DeMarcus Lawrence who picked up
the ball both times and scored touchdowns. And like the
players were like identical. I might have been the same
as thatc Blitz. And then the first drive obviously Sam
Donald goes in those at the JSN. Who's putting up
numbers that no one's ever seen before. He's on pace
to break the record. Like that was a fun, fun

(10:07):
game to watch.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
How do you go out?

Speaker 6 (10:12):
No go ahead? No go ahead? I was just gonnaga.
I was going to say, you said.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Just to look ahead the next weekend because Rams got
Seattle next weekend.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, I got the game.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Oh what do you what do you think?

Speaker 5 (10:24):
It's the best game of the season from a pure
from a pure football team standpoint, coaching, rosters, quarterback play,
all of it, style of play. I think I think
through eleven weeks it's the best.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
It's the best. Now can the game live up to it?
Who knows.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
We've had some incredible, fun, dramatic games, great endings, overtimes,
so who knows if it lives up to that. But
just the billing of the matchup, two of the best
three teams at worst for two of the best four
at worst in the entire league going going up against
each other. I am thrilled that we got this game.

(11:04):
And they're two of my favorite teams to study. I
think the style in which they play, they're both using
that big personnel stuff we talked about at length last week.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
We talked about Seattle's doing.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
It out of twelve and the Rams are The Rams
have been an eleven three wide receiver team for a
thousand years, and all of a sudden, now they're in thirteen,
big jumbo personnel, big bodies, and they're just wearing teams out.
I think it's a fascinating storyline, both teams, both quarterbacks.
I think it's the through eleven games, the game of

(11:34):
the year.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, no, I agree. Who would you have? Who would
you edge it out to going into this game?

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I'd have to tell you on Friday. I haven't started,
like really diving in and studying them just yet. I've
had each team once, but real early in the season,
I had the Rams in that game that they really
played well through the first half, and then Philly came
to life blocked a couple of those field goals there
at the end to beat the Rams in Philly early.

(12:04):
And then I had the week one game of Seattle,
so it was the first game of Kubiak, first game
of Sam Darnold. They lost at home to the forty
nine ers. So it's been a while since I've actually
studied them and had them. I just watched them from afar,
But I think they're both really good. Come Friday, I
can give you a better assessment. But man, it's the

(12:26):
best matchup bar none.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Staying in the NFC previewing tonight's game with the Packers Eagles,
who do you see coming out on top of there
in Green Bay.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
I saw a stat that Green Bay hasn't lost back
to back games in like twelve years or something outrageous,
So you know, I always kind of look at those
stats with a grain of salt because, like, none of
these guys were ever a part of that twelve year run.
But we saw green Bay stink it up. I was
there live called it in that loss to the Panthers.

(12:57):
So I expect them to bounce back. I expect them
to be a little bit more aggressive offensively at home.
I've just seen Philly too many times be look dead
to rights and then you look up in the fourth
quarter and they're winning. They're just such a hard team
to beat traditionally over the last couple of years. If

(13:18):
you put a gun to my head right now, I
think Philly's, Philly wins. But I think Green Bay looks
light years better than they did last week. I think
they take the the Governor off. I think they put
the game in Jordan Love's hand. Let him go out
there and be the dynamic passer that he is. Don't
play the style of all these other teams want to

(13:38):
and muddy it up. Is the weather going to be nice?
I have no idea is they're going to be a
decent night in Lambeau. Do you guys have any idea,
no clue.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Let's pretend that it is a little chilly.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, things a little bit.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
But if it's a neutral, normal day and they can
you know, they can let it rip and throw it,
I think, uh, I mean, I have to imagine that
a hell of a lot better than they did last
week against Panthers.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I dude, I got a question for you, just from
a broadcasting standpoint, when you obviously you're one of the
best in the game now, but when you were first
starting and you would catch a game like that Packers
Panthers game last week, was there like a new level
of stress when we'd be like, yo, this game's lotless,
kind of shitty. There's nothing really to talk about, whether
there's like a panic mode in the second half or

(14:23):
was it always kind of just easy for you to
go through everything.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
No, those are the worst. Those are the worst games, right.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
So that's the irony of calling games is you know
you're never gonna make everybody happy. Everybody thinks when you're
negative or critical of their team or a decision that
you don't like the coach or you have history with
the organization, or you know it's because of some random
game earlier in your career and you've hated the team
ever since. It's all nonsense, right, Like we call games
that we hope are competitive, we want them to be dramatic.

(14:52):
We want them to be a one possession game in
the fourth.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Quarter and have a little drama.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Now, the Packers Panthers game last week was that it
was a game winning walk off field goal, so there
was drama. It was just it's just bad ball, right,
There's not a lot of points. Nobody can score touchdowns.
It's a rock fight, it's one hundred handoffs. It's just
it's not entertaining football. But the saving grace is the end.
The ending can sometimes save a game that wasn't overly

(15:20):
cooperative throughout. And I think that's as a broadcaster, that's
all we care about. We don't care who wins who loses.
We don't have narratives, we don't out we don't, you know,
determine the outcome of the game. People think we're calling
for penalties or not, like we call it as we
see it. I could care, I couldn't care less who wins,

(15:40):
but we do want drama. We do want close games.
We want the game to come down to the end
and be situational and managing the clock and managing timeouts,
and that the strategy that comes out of drama, at
least to me personally, is like, those are the games
I live for. We've been very lucky this year. We've
had a million great endings, had one yesterday in Chicago

(16:01):
coming back and the forth to beat the Giants, So
that that's what we pull for. But those real clunky games,
especially the blowouts, it's a challenge, right You kind of
the blowouts turn into a daytime talk radio show and
you just start covering random topics throughout the league. The
game really is just going on in the background. In

(16:23):
the second half when it's a thirty point blowout.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
We're talking about bad football. What the hell happened at
the Panthers bro dropping against the Saints?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, that that was bad. I mean, listen to.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Kind of one where you're like sitting there like, oh,
you know, could the could the Panthers be a fun
story in the division?

Speaker 5 (16:45):
I know, I I man, I had a bad feeling
all week, you know. I mean, you guys have been
on these teams right, Like, let's be honest here, we've
all been in locker rooms that all of a sudden
you get a taste of your first winning as that group, right,
guys have had success in random places. But maybe that
group of guys has not experienced a ton of success.

(17:06):
No matter how you fight it, there is an element
in the NFL to learn how to have a little success,
whether that's individually, whether that's collectively as a locker room.
And all of a sudden, the Panthers look and there
one game over five hundred, they just beat you know,
they just beat the Packers, who people thought was an
NFC contender on the road in Lambeau, And you start

(17:26):
feeling pretty good about yourself and you start thinking that
teams are beneath you. And obviously the Saints are coming
into Carolina as a one win team at the time,
and on their rookie quarterback they bench Rattler and that.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
So it's amazing how quickly you.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Can forget your past, and you can forget just the
reality and just say, you know what, let's just.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Stay locked in on what we're doing. One week. We
have not arrived.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
We are not that good, right, Like all those things
that you had to constantly remind yourself as a player.
The teams that can sustain winning over long periods of time,
there is an art to learning how to deal with
success and learning how to deal with expectations. When you're
the underdog and you're just a fun story and if
you show up and upset the better team, great, but
no one expects anything from you. That's actually an easy

(18:11):
way to play. And I think for a lot of
these teams that are just now starting to experience success,
it takes a little time for them to get accustomed
to it.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, and takes some success right now. The Chicago Bears,
they went like, there was the last seven. Yeah, there's
six and three right now.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, it's it's just wild too. I wonder how that game.
I mean, they were up Jackson Dark he runs like
a QB power to the left side, right, gets a
little concussion, gets a little conkyed, and they're up by
ten at that point. Am I correcting? Is that right?

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:43):
It was seventeen to seven, So seventeen seven they're driving.
They're either on the fringe of the red zone or
in the red zone. They were give or take twenty
plus side. I can't remember exactly the.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yard line he ran.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
He had run the ball really well, he had already
run for two touchdowns prior, and he ran a play,
got into the open field and CJ. Gardner Johnson put
a hit, but he didn't hit him in the head.
He hit him dead on the left arm, which is decided.
He was carrying the ball and the ball popped up.
He grabbed it, and then he got driven and he
like face planted into the turf and the ball popped out.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
So instead of them going.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
In at minimum to make it twenty to seven or
potentially twenty four to seven, they get nothing, and then
they the next oh and then the next drive they
get the ball back, and so Chicago goes down kicks
a field goal to make it seventeen to ten. Now
in the fourth quarter, Russ takes over. He takes them
the length of the field. They get down to fourth

(19:41):
and goal, the one yard line to make it up
seventeen ten. They're trying to make it twenty four ten,
and they kick a field goal fourth and goal. The
Bears have too many men on the field, so we're
expecting them to accept the penalty, go half the distance
to the goal and get fourth and half a yard
and try to score a touchdown. They elected to decline

(20:02):
the penalty. They take the three points and that made
it twenty to ten and they didn't score another point.
Caleb Williams took him on back to back touchdown drives
in the fourth quarter and the game was over.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yo, I have no idea what to make of Caleb Williams. Dude,
I'll just at some point he's a damn good football player,
but also he just has these crazy like lapses in
judgment sometimes, and yeah, he just holds the ball for
I don't know. You could give me more of insight
on that. I'm just I don't know what to buy.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Well, if I was a left tackle, I would agree
with you, because I think cast protecting from him is stressful.
I don't think you now. I say that, and then
I look at yesterday. If I'm the offensive line in Chicago,
I'm buying him a stake dinner right now. Because the
Giants pressured him at one of the highest rates of
the entire season that the Bears had faced.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
They could not get him on the ground.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
It was almost like a you know, like you see
those videos, are those like really talented high school kids
where it looks like they're playing the wrong sport and
they just no one can tackle.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
Then that's really what it looked like.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
I mean, Thibodeau had him ten times in the backfield,
couldn't get him down. Brian Burns has them, can't get
him down. He's escaping, he's scrambling, he's making really accurate
throws downfield. He got killed by drops yesterday. His team
had probably six drops easy.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Of all the tape that I had watched of him
and all studying him, yesterday was by far the most
impressive ball he's played.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
I think through his first year and a half in
the league.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
He was incredible escapability, not taking sacks, which obviously was
a huge issue last year. And then he was a
lot more accurate throwing the ball downfield. That had kind
of been his shortcomings coming into the game. His accuracy
completion percentage was down, but his guys let him down
a little bit with some drops. But he was He
was fantastic, and then obviously the two game, the back

(22:00):
to back touchdown drives to win the game.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Late.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's as good a ball as he's played, It's as
good a ball as you can play. At the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'll tell you what day Bowl is not helping himself
out with these hot seat conversations.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I just think they I think if you're the ownership
with the Giants, you got to sit there and be like,
you have a very unique quarterback personality wise, you have
a very unique running back who's hurt personality wise. They've
given they've given the Giants life. You have a pass
rushing unit that every single guy can get double digit
sacks that they really wanted to throughout the season, like
give him one more year. But the whole decision on

(22:34):
fourth and one, thin at the penalty and not taking
it like that to me is like you just you
gotta you gotta go for it.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Bad fourth quarter losses, Yeah, we have the lead by ten,
you're up.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
Do what they have the The Giants have had the
lead by ten points in four in the fourth quarter,
a ten pointly in the fourth quarter four times, lost
all four.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Games, right, and I'm saying, like the last two, like
that's that right there, the last two Like with the
Bears and the Broncos, that decision on take hey, we'll
decline this another opportunity to try to score points and
go up twenty four to ten. Yeah, he doesn't help.
All I'm saying is he's not helping him So are
you calling for his head? Right, No, I'm saying he's

(23:14):
not helping himself. He doesn't help himself.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, And it's just.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
I agree because so much of the ball at times
looks really good, you know. And again, they're playing without
Molikue neighbors, they're playing without Skataboo, Like they're depleted a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
At the skill positions.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
I think defensively, they are grossly underperforming the amount of capital,
draft capital, free agent, you know, just in a cap,
you know, allocation only the Steelers have spent more money,
Like they've gotta get more out of the defense.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
And you know, you have ten point leads.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
I don't care if the offense takes a knee every
play for the rest of the game. Like, at some point, somebody,
one of these first rounders, one of these top ten picks,
one of these hundred million dollar man, somebody upfront needs
to just make a play and end the game with
a sack of strip, fumble something. They can't take the
ball away, they can't close games. And and then just

(24:07):
some of the decision making and now what was ironic
was he Davel was super aggressive, rightfully, so super aggressive
with fourth down the rest of the game. I think
he went for fourth down three or four times. Now
they only got one, but he was super aggressive the
entire game, not settling for field goals. The wind was
a little tricky, so that like forty plus yard field

(24:27):
goals was a little dicey for both sides.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Fourth and goal on the half yard.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Line, Yeah, yeah, you got you gotta go after that,
I mean, I mean that's I'm sure you're seeing in
the broadcast being like, okay, they got to go forward here,
and then you're we were found.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
We were adam it, and then the second we said it,
the second they didn't go for it. It just felt
like that was the knockout punch. And again it was
it was Russ's first drive taken over. So Dart got
on the fumble, Dart hit his head and he kind
of got up slow, and then we kind of watched
him go to the side and no one really checked

(25:02):
him out. He kind of waved everyone off, and we
thought he was just disappointed that he fumbled, is why
he got up slow. He came back out, he took
two more plays and then he disappeared into the tent
and we never saw him again. And obviously Russ takes over.
But on the first drive, Russ's drive took him down
to the one yard line. Russ Rush tried to take
it in on third down, he went back to pass,

(25:24):
kind of got caught up in the pocket, took off
ran Hard, got stopped at the one, and then they
kicked the field goal. So the first drive with Russell
Wilson prop was by far their best drive and their
most likely scenario to score a touchdown. And then over
the next six plays following that field goal, they had
six plays for minus two yards.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
So it was just it was over.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah. Do you were you able to watch the Bills
Dolphins game at all?

Speaker 6 (25:53):
I wasn't it was going on the same time as ours.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Because I kind of I put it on and it
was already sixteen zero. It was like right before half.
And then in the third quarter, Josh Allen takes them
all the way down the field throws a pick in
the end zone. I don't know if this is before
or after they do like their version of the Toush push.
He gets like six seven yards, The ball gets popped out,
and it just seemed like every single time the Bills
started to catch a little bit of momentum, the Miami Dolphins,

(26:17):
wo to me, are as good as dead in the
NFL season, Like they just kept stopping them and coming
alive and putting Josh Allen, who is the running MVP,
and the situations where okay, go do MVP things and
he just didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, it was well and too like once the explosive
pop against the Bills defense, which we've talked about before,
like the running game a chain. Yeah, like when those
explosive play plays happen and you're just Josh Allen on
the sideline, You're just I mean you saw it a
couple of times. Yeah, his body language and him answered
at the podium after the game. It just seems like
a little bit of spark has been taken away from

(26:51):
Josh Allen a little bit. But yeah, I could not
believe the Dolphins beat their ass yesterday, beat.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Their ass, and think of the two weeks that you know,
we talk about Carolina having a letdown, right, we talk
about you're not used to being in that position. You
just have a huge win on the road in Lambeau.
But think of the last couple weeks of the Bills.
They win by forty against the Panthers on the road.
Then they have a huge matchup against the Chiefs where

(27:17):
they really play well and they win against their biggest rival,
like and all of a sudden, it's like, all right,
the Bills are back. Any concern before the bye week,
We're not worried about those two losses. Like, they are back.
And then you said it, the Dolphins were dead. Everybody
was shocked that they didn't make a coaching change after
that Thursday Night debacle a couple of weeks. What was

(27:37):
that last week and the week before. Yeah, so you know,
I give the Dolphins a lot of credit. That is
not easy, man. We've all been on those teams, most guys.
Maybe not everybody, but most guys have been on those
teams where it's just a tough season, it's a lost season,
and it really just comes down to finding out in
the locker room, like who truly is willing to compete
when you're not really in the running for anything and

(27:59):
you're really just playing for pride and you're playing for
all this stuff. People stand at the podium and talk
about but are you really willing to do it? That's
pretty impressive, Like to come out and beat one of
the top the printial, one of the top teams in
the league, a division rival. I give them a lot
of credit, man, because they were in the bullseye. People
were taking shots from all over the place calling for

(28:19):
people's jobs. And tell you what, the NFL is a
funny world, man. It can flip on a dime, especially
this year, because I'm not sure there.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
Is a clear cut top dog.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
I think we have a group of teams that we
think are the going to pull away. But it is
a very very even league right now. And obviously that's
by design.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah too, like going off of it, like when you're
out of it and being on those teams, it's like
when you're pretty much out of everything, and like the
GM gets fired and movement is happening in the organization.
Like also your schedule kind of changes as a player too,
like you'll do more walk through. It's like coaches start
switching it up because it's like, hey, we're not fined
for nothing. Guys seem a little depleted. Let's take care

(29:05):
of him a little bit more so to show up
and put an ass beating on the Bills like they did.
It is like they're having fun in the locker room.
The team is still fighting, which is you know, hats off,
Hats off to the staff, have hats off to the
players for still like staying in the fight.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, it's just so confusing when we talk about the
Panthers and how they are. They're a little bit above
five hundred. Maybe this group's number one before, so it's
like understandable they go and drop them for the Bills.
It's like, you guys have since Josh Allen's been your quarterback,
you have had success. You've been competing for Super Bowls,
going deep in the playoffs every single year and having
two back to back wins. Obviously, you have to get

(29:39):
up very get up big for your biggest rival like
the Chiefs last week. But there should be no drop off,
like you no, because.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You've had coaches been there forever.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, you got Josh Allen, Like, I don't know, I
don't know what to make of that.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, yeah, going over.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
So it makes this league so hard though, right because everything
we say about the teams that aren't used to winning
having to learn how to sustain the other side of
that coin is human nature of the reason certain organizations
don't have prolonged success, right with the Bills have done,
the Chiefs, the Patriots, some of these teams that have
had long sustained periods of success. That is an absolute

(30:14):
opposition to the way human nature works. It's the opposition
of the way the league is designed. So that's equally challenging, right,
That is an equally hard thing to do to get
up knowing you are everyone's biggest game week after week.
Maybe the roster is a little depleted, maybe the injuries,
maybe you're not as good as you were in the
years past.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
But that when people see that Bill's.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Uniform and they see Josh Allen behind center, they just
assume it's the same Bills team we've seen over the
last couple of years, this close to, you know, get
into a Super Bowl. So expectations on either side of
that coin can be crippling.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
What do you make in of the AFC North Pittsburgh
Steelers going out to the going out to LA getting
pretty handled by the Chargers and Ravens Now, Ravens are coming.
Ravens are coming, and Ravens are coming.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
I think the Ravens win it.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah, I mean, and I know it sounds silly, and
they were left for dead and there was problems, and
the defense was historically bad yet albeit injured, and obviously
Lamar's out and how long is he gonna be out
with the hamstring? And it seemed like the sky is
falling and you look at the and I think everyone
who looked at the division said okay, right. You know,

(31:24):
at the moment, the Steelers were on top. And I
think at times the Steelers had looked really good. And
I think at times Aaron Rodgers has looked like Aaron Rodgers.
And the defense makes I think the defense makes critical
plays more than they are just like an overall good unit.
I think they've spent a gazillion dollars on the defense.
I think on a play by play basis, I don't
think they're particularly great. I think they make incredible splash plays,

(31:48):
right like it's the fourth quarter, you haven't called TJ.
Watts name yet, and then it's stripped sack fumble and
it's like the game is over. So like that's where
they've kind of rested their head and that's where they've
made their money. When they don't get those splash negatives.
I think they're just okay. Last night kind of I'm
with you. They got it, you know, they got taken

(32:08):
to them by by the Chargers. I still think they're solid.
I still think, like most years, the Tomlin led team
is going to be a playoff caliber group. They're going
to find themselves in it somehow, some way. But if
I'm a bet man today, I think a healthy Lamar
and a Baltimore team that's in a tough, bad division,

(32:29):
I think they're the favorite to win it in my
in my mind at least.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, they're minus two seventy on Fandel. They're only one
game back.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Right now, So what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Minus two seventy So if you bet, you have to
bet two hundred and seventy dollars to win one hundred dollars,
and so they're they're.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
So that means there so they have the that would
be the worst odds.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, they're They're the Ravens. Even though they're not leading
the division right now, the sportsbooks saying they're still a
heavy favorite to win the division. So it speaks more
about Pittsburgh not being They're not gonna be able to
hang on. They're gonna be too inconsistent, right.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
And Aaron didn't obviously didn't play well, But I don't
understand why your running back Jalen Warren has been playing
so well and it's getting been that get out of
jail free cart in a lot of ways. For your
running game. Last night, you start running Johnson more, who
you know hasn't really been seen since he had that
muffed kickoff return early in the season. It's like, why
why aren't you staying with this guy unless there's an

(33:24):
injury we don't know about. Yeah, because he's like saved
them a lot of ways, like twelve personnel, big guys
we talk about, like the way they run the ball,
like Warren, it does a great job of running the
outside zone and then the perimeter run game as well.
And then as Johnson, he's kind of proven did a
great job at Iowa. It's kind of proven, like he's
he's got to learn a little bit more before we
can see if he's really gonna be successful. Like just

(33:44):
keep doing the same thing. When your defense has a
great game last week and I have to travel across
the country to the West Coast against a really good
defense of Jesse Mentor's Chargers, you just I don't understand
that unless there's an injury we just don't know about. Yeah,
it's frustrating.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Just need Yeah I had him plus three. You had Pittsburgh.
Mine needed it. Yeah, Pittsburgh was underdogs.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah I had him as well. That's that's heartbreaking, dude.
What do you What can you make of JJ McCarthy
for me? Like, there's times he seems like, oh, this
kid really has juice, Like he's got a couple of
third downs, he's putting the ball in a perfect spot
only where the wide receiver can catch. And then other
times he's scrambling. It's third and six and he's got
like twenty yards of open field in front of him,

(34:30):
and he decides, I'm just gonna throw it into double coverage.
So I'm gonna take this play action pass and throw
a deep shot into double coverage as well. Like, I
know you're not a coach, and I hate putting you
on the spot, but like, what do we got going there?

Speaker 5 (34:43):
I think he's a young quarterback who hasn't played a
lot of ball, right, I mean you think he lost
his entire rookie year last year to injury, and then
you know, obviously Sam Darnold steps in and has an
amazing season and carries it over. He missed a serious
amount of time this year with the high ankle. You know,
we covered it a couple of those Vikings games where
he was out and limited, and they turned it over
to Carson Wentz. So I think the reality for young

(35:07):
quarterbacks in this league is they need to practice, They
need game reps, they need practice reps. And when you
think since he's come into the league, since he got drafted,
the amount of time forget the games, the amount of
practice reps lost due to injury, it's real. And I
think we've seen quarterbacks that play for Kevin O'Connell in

(35:27):
that system. Going back, we can rattle off five six
guys off the top of our head. Even the year
that Kirk Cousins got knocked out, Kirk Cousins was playing
so good he tears his achilles, and then he rolls
in a bunch of guys that we didn't even know
still were in the league, and.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
They just keep winning and winning and playing good ball.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
And then obviously what he did last year with Sam
and then even at times before he got banged up,
Carson Wentz played well and then we found out that
he was really dealing with something serious that led to
the decline, So that offense is built for good quarterback play.
I still think JJ McCarthy's very talented. I think he
looked like a young, talented quarterback. I think sometimes he
looks in rhythm. I think he's competitive. I think he's

(36:05):
got a little shit to him, and then I think
at times his head pops off, and I think that's
very common, especially for that style of quarterback. And I
don't think, you know, I think the Drake Mays of
the world and guys that come in and are a
little bit more polished and a little bit more refined
and play within the system, and they're not so you know,
improv run around, scramble. Those guys have a little bit

(36:27):
of a higher floor, just in the sense that you're
not going to get the ebbs and flows and the
chaos right. But sometimes the spectacular that you get from
JJ McCarthy and Caleb Williams when they're spinning in circles
and running around, there's a magic to that. There's a fun,
entertaining aspect. The question is is it's sustainable. And I
think what we know and have seen throughout the league.

(36:48):
Is if you can sprinkle those plays in, great, they're
great like get out of Jail free cards. You can't
rely on that style play in play out. You have
to learn how to play within the confines, understand the agressions,
understand what you're seeing, and play in rhythm. And I
think that's the element right now. That's still a little
bit of a learning curve with Kevin O'Connell up there.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
For McCarthy, Yeah, the learning curve I feel like is
the key phrase there, because again it's you got this
young quarterback who just doesn't have the scarring that these
other VET quarterbacks have that Kevin O'Connell's been able to
work with, Like this is kind of the first pick
that he's getting to work with and he hasn't had
a whole lot of reps in the film room, on
the practice field. Just having those QB conversations, I feel

(37:29):
like there is that high level of IQ that you're
going to have when sitting in a room with Kevin
O'Connell breaking down offense. So we're just not going to
be able to grade. People are going to grad JJ McCarthy,
but you're not going to be able to actual to
actually get a feel for him, probably until the middle
of next year, first part of next year, within those
first six games. Yeah yeah, it's to me, it's like, yeah,

(37:50):
it's a rookie quarterback. He's out there. This is his
fourth was it his fourth game? I think fourth fifth game?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Right around there, one of those two right right, yeah,
right now, I'm with you. I just you see so
many flashes that's like, oh, this cake can be special,
and then he just does things You're like, what are
we doing here?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah? Just think he was talking about head spinning, the
chaos that ensues in certain moments to where you think
you're in control, but not in a way that you
want to have. As like a Poys quarterback who's seen
and played a lot of football, right right, so when
that happens, head goes down, he's going to be trying
to make plays and everything else. Again, very much a
young quarterback who there's just not enough, they're not enough

(38:31):
of a sample sizer body of work to great him hard.
People will because again, you're in professional football, that's.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
The j you're a top eleven pick.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, yeah, fair. Do we have any more for Greg
before we let him know about this bet, the Boys
parlay that's still aliveing well tonight.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think that's the biggest key right there before we
let him go.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, Greg, you're the man. Thank you for coming on.
Have you kept up with this bet? The boys parlay,
Ricky doubdle hit anytime touchdown, Jamior Gibbs hit anytime touchdown.
Come on, doll hit anytime touchdown. We have one left
to night.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
One more Greg, one more Lake.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
And it's it's Jalen Hurts anytime touchdown. The Lunch team
coming into.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Green listen, I think tush push is going to be
at the center of attention today. Remember Green Bay amongst
other teams, Green Bay was like front and center trying
to eliminate the play. I mean, if you're Siriani, I
think I'm trying to do it as many times in
lambeau Field as the opportunities present themselves, so they get

(39:33):
inside the three or four yard line. I think we
if it's first and goal inside the five, I think
we're seeing Tush push one.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Tush push two, Tush push three, Tush.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Push four and saying I got four downs to toush
push into the end zone. So of all the guys
you just mentioned I I'm probably I don't want to
jinx it, but like I'm feeling best about that.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Nick Sirianni has a huge opportunity for the ultimate troll,
and that's to start the first play of the game
in a touch push first, past them first and ten
you're on the twenty five.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Gotta respect that under center and.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Just hey, you guys wanted this because it'll go for
four or five on the first place.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
I'm on record, especially if they like shifted to it.
You know, just don't like walk out of the huddle
and just run now like that you're gonna run it
like disguise it to some capacity. But I'm on record,
I haven't maybe not quite as much this year, but
didn't it feel like with Kelsey two seasons ago it
was either two or three seasons ago. Now I can't

(40:31):
keep track of it all, but it felt like they
were getting three yards every time they ran a tush push.
Like it wasn't like get a foot and a half,
they were getting like three otes. I thought for a
while there when they had Kelsey and they were really
rolling a couple years ago with the toush push, and
it was new and teams weren't necessarily accustomed to it
at that point. I thought, at the end of the game,
like four minute offense, I thought they could have gotten

(40:53):
first and ten, gotten under center and run four consecutive
Toush pushes at the end of a game to get
a first and take a knee like I thought. I
think they could. I think back then. I don't know
if they can do it anymore, but I thought a
couple of years ago, ten yards and four Toush pushes
I thought was totally reasonable.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, I would love to see that level of petty
from Sirianni.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Would love to see it.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
I'm not sure if they're there right now, but yeah,
you gotta win. There would still be great television, wouldn't it.
I'm a huge Toush push I'm a huge Toush Push fan.
I think it's a I think it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
You think it's good for football.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
I think it's great for the strategy of the game.
I mean, is it the Philadelphia Eagles responsibility to carry
what's good for the NFL on their backs? I don't
think it's their responsibility, Like the optics that I don't
think any of that is any of their issue. I
think it is a play that is highly effective. I
think it's a play that nobody else seems to be
able to get right.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
And it is anire.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
It is baked into every single decision that they make offensively,
from what they call on third and four to what
they do on first and ten, to what they do
on the plus side of the field, to what they
do in the goal line.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
I think there is.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
A really deep, highly thought through strategy that the tush
push being in their back pocket for a yard and
a half when you snap the ball at if you
told the league, I have to play first and ten,
but you get to play first and eight, it's a
huge advantage.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I love it until I hate it.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
I listen, would I want to be the guard?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
What I want?

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Would I want my neck broken and dumped on top
of I don't know what? I want to be the
middle linebacker? Get I'm not saying I want to defend it.
But I think if I'm the coach, it's highly productive
and it's a huge part of what they do.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, I'm not like A I don't love it like
I think it's amazing, but I hate the idea of
banning the toush push because it's so effective. Like it's like,
that's to me, that's such a ridiculous argument. And it's like,
if you think something's not effective, learn to do it yourself,
or just keep doing it until eventually some DC comes
along that understands how to beat it, and then it's beaten.

(43:07):
But you can't just get rid of a play because
it's good. Yeah, that's that's a crazy argument.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
That I love until I hate it comes in when
the officiating gets a little gray, because I think it's
a hard play to officiate, especially it's like a couple
of weeks ago when we saw what was the Burns
kind of ripped the ball out, they called it dead.
It's like, dude, that is he stripped.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Him right, and he's laying on top of five different bodies.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So the controversy for me is more when it's like, uh,
it could be officiated poorly, like when fall starts are
kind of happening, like you know, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
But I'm with I guess, I guess the simplest way
to put it is if it was such an easy play,
if it's if it's the ultimate Madden glitch, how come
they're the only team in the league that does it
consistently well.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Right, I know, because when teams try it and they're
bad at it, it's.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
Like they've never practiced it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah, what are you guys scatting? Like, what's the
philadelph Eagles doing it?

Speaker 5 (43:56):
At least that there's a coaching element, there's a person element.
There's a lot of factors that go into whether or
not that play is realistic for your team or not.
And you know, we can go around a lot of
teams over the last couple of years and say that
they were disproportionately better at something than the rest of
the league. And if the notion was let's get rid

(44:17):
of everyone else's advantages, people would laugh at you.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, yeah, this would be a fun I don't.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Want Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is not allowed to be
a three technique and spike into the A gap and
make the guard miss because he's so no one else
can do it as good as him, and he tackles,
and he tackles you for a loss every time.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's not fair. Get rid of it.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
It's not fair.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
We don't get an Aaron Donald. How come you guys
get Aaron Donald.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Yeah, I don't have Aaron Donald, that's not fair that
you could play a three technique in that capacity. I
can't do it, so we should ban it.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah. I don't understand why the Cowboys, the Commanders, or
the Giants haven't tried to contract Jason Kelsey and be like, hey,
teach us, Like, just throw an absolute bag at him,
two million bucks, Jason, come in for a week.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
I don't think Kelsey would do it. I think Kelsey's
a loyal Philly guy. I think he's a loyal Philly
guy who's making a lot of money. I don't I
think he is. Like, I think he would go to
his deathbed before he let up any of those in
house secrets of Jeff Stoutlin and those guys holds the keys.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, he would need some Saudi money.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Yeah, well, now that's a different album.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Eight figures, nine figures.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Big for one week of work. Big Domb's not letting
that happen.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Big Big Dom would set that out.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
Nopele figure that out quick.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
You're the man, bro, Thank you for man.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Appreciate you, man. Have a go. One'll talk to you soon.
Plus Titans, they hold the number one pick in the
draft right now, do you see him holding onto that
prestigees honor or do you see them letting that slip
away from their from their fingertips.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Are recording just asking me a question.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I think we're doing both.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I would say, I mean prestige.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
Sure. Last year we sell back toward to into the
first pick. It was who was the Jets that there
was one team that they won on Week eighteen. I
think it was the Jets. Well, we were going to
have the second pace at the Brown No, I think
it was the Jets. Yeah, they backdoord in the first pick.
They want a crazy game. We got the first pick,

(46:17):
so at least now we know three weeks ahead. Who knows,
we still play the Saints, Jets, could you know, squeak
out a couple more losses?

Speaker 6 (46:25):
Who knows?

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Maybe we do some dumb shit?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Who dumb shit?

Speaker 8 (46:30):
And what at that point in the year where it's
like football doesn't mean as much as it used to.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
See Jack Jackson's defeated man in the month of November.

Speaker 8 (46:37):
Right now, Yeah, I mean, hopefully some things shake out.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
But what would shake out? Because you're saying, hey, we
might do some dumb shit, I'm thinking, do you want
the Titans to lose the rest of their games. For
the one pick, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (46:51):
All I can think about is right now in Nashville,
it's thirty four degrees. All the home games following right
now November tenth will most likely be very frigid, and
I'm not looking forward to being in Nissan Stadium in
that weather.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
You should be looking forward to who's who in the
zoo When it comes to this fan base, it is
the this is the stretch where you're in your stripes
right here. You want to know who's in the foxhol
with the Tennessee Titans, right And.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
We've learned about the foxhole too, like ten people. That's good, dude,
all you need, all you need is ten.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Really eleven football.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
But I'm just yeah, I'm at that point where it's
just it's difficult.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
You're abysmal year last year. It's tough for the Titans.
That's like, hey, we're gonna get back on track. We'll
figure it out. Callahan new year. Two years in a
row of it going like this, the fan base is gonna.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
I think the big positive look at is how much
salary cap that we have and just the cap space,
like that's that's the positive we haven't.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Had that in a long time.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Yeah, so who knows, but yeah, that is. I mean,
by the time it's you know, midway through the spring,
my allegiance is just fully back on. We're winning the
super Bowl. So I do hope that we do something
special with the Cavs face, and I hope they hire
the right guy. Until we've hired the right guy, I
can't really make any decision, and I just kind of

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linger in this horrible Titans Tennessee football limbo.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
But yeah, you know we're gonna be in Nissan. Tighten up, man, fun.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Show up. We can hit some tier talk. Let's hit
some tier talk. We have a shout out here, mister
James at the mister James eight on X. Anyone going
to talk about how clutch Caleb Williams is when the
game is on the line. Hashtag tier talk. I think
we did, Yeah, we had. We had a great, fun
little breakdown with old Greg there. I'll tell you what,
I am the guy looking in the mirror being like,

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how long am I going to continue to kind of
doubt the Chicago Bears, And uh so I pull up
their schedule and I hate them do this, but it's
like all right, Let's try to find some wins. Let's
try to figure out who the Bears have been. Dallas,
the Raiders. Oh these is yeah, this is who they beat.
Dallas split them wide open? That defense? Who has to

(49:11):
split them wide open? They beat the Raiders by one,
Commanders by one. They beat the Saints, They they beat
the Bengals, they beat the Giants.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
So I just.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Throwing that out there, because they are six and three.
You gotta give I. I do enjoy watching coach Johnson's
post game speeches in the locker room. Yeah, he's like, hey,
we're here every week, but we ain't apologizing for how
we win. Gives out game balls. I do love his energy.
I love how the locker rooms having a lot of fun.
I think the boys are rallying around the idea that
they are playing meaningful games in November, hopefully December.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And that is what you pulled up. The wins that
they've had as a team, You've ignored that and you
just look at the record and be like, we can
play with anybody, We can play with any We can
play with anyone right now.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Big opportunity. Who who they got next week? They got
the Vikings?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Give me the next three.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Okay, Vikings Division rivalry that'll be in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Can probably see them winning that.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Then they have they host the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Okay, you can see them winning that.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Then they go to Philly. But if you go, if
you go two and one, you're again you're sitting there
at eight and four, you're sitting there eight and four,
eight and four ball club playing some meaningful games in December,
which would be the Packers at Green Bay host the Browns, Okay,
then they host the Packers again, then they go out

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to San Francisco and play the Niners, and then they
host the Lions.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Eight, nine and eight ball club wild Card. But is
it I don't know if it is in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
NFC will be tough, I was gonna say, especially yeah,
NFC West, the way that they're playing right now, they
could be looking again three in there.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah. Yet the Packers are gonna make it, the Lions
are gonna make it, the Eagles are gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
But we should be able to let Chicago fans have
as much fun as possible.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Have fun because you said in the beginning of the
year you deserve this. We need new Halloween costumes next year.
Can't just be Mike Dicka. It can't just be Mike Dicka.
Get some fingernails painted. Let's let your kids go crazy
out there. Huh So. Yeah, Caleb Williams and is impressive
though how elusive he is and I didn't see like

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I didn't see the entire game. I saw bits and pieces,
but his ability to escape the pocket ran out to
the left a couple times, one for a touchdown when
he got down to the one yard line.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Thrown across the body, he is like, he is extremely talented.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Like if you get if Ben Johnson could harness that
energy when Dan Orlofty's talking about the habits and everything
like that, if they can get that done.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Boys, it seems like they're trending that way ten and seven?
Why not? Why not the Chicago Why not you?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
There's gotta be an upsetting there somewhere. It'd be good
for football. It would be for football.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Why not the Bears? Here's another tier talk from Adam
Sullivan to hashtag tear talk. Are the days of a
true pocket passer in the NFL? Gone? A set your feet,
get completions or take the sack? QB seems extinct. Not
everyone can be my homes, But it seems like you
have to have some type of mobility anymore to be
consistently productive in today's NFL.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Look at Matthew Stafford, like he's he's got a little
mobility to him. Actually a couple times he got himself
around a little bit. But I mean he's a true
he's a true pocket passer. Jared Goff, true pocket passer.
Like these are guys that are dicing up the league
right now, playing really really good ball. Is it dead? No?
Are we in a you know, we gotta worry about
this animal because it's becoming extinct. We got to think

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them to the zoo. Hopefully they can procreate with something else.
That's kind of the world we're living in.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
You'll have somebody getting at two of them. You'll have
the traditional list I think always in forever, it's at
most positions. Yeah, but there are these mutants that are
now coming into the league across the board. Right we
were having the breakdown last week. We were talking about
tight ends, this semi positions with backers and tight ends.
You see it a lot with receivers, like you have
to come in being able to block crazy man.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
They were like the first iteration of the alien. Yeah,
that was the first alien to step foot on the
grid iron.

Speaker 9 (53:16):
I feel like the like Christian ponders of the world
are are over though, Like how there used to be
that middle of the pack QB in the NFL that
was just pocket passers. I feel like they're going to
be extinct.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, where like.

Speaker 9 (53:28):
Everybody every on the right, like Max, Max Jones, those
are like great players. But mac Jones is like we
know ceiling.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Do we do? We know mac Jones the ceiling or
we just now seeing I would say mac Jones or
we just seen the second floor would be.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Would be that leveled up middle of the pack, right exactly.
But you gotta be the best of the best. You're
just gonna sit back there in that pocket.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Sam Darnold, Sammy d that's like he's athletic, but he's not.
He does he's got some urgency, he's.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Got some Yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
I would say he's like athletic, as athletic as bow Knicks.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, Sam Donald doesn't have quarterback
design runs in the play, but for him, bow Knicks does.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
But he could.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Dog. I don't think. I don't think Sam Donald is
getting other than your hey QB paint once in a while.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I would say if Sam Donald arm shoulders everything else,
if he had the genetic of bow Knicks, he would
not be as successful as bow Knicks were. With the
athletic ability, I'll say if you I'm saying Sammy D,
He's got a much better arm, much better accuracy, much
better arm strength if you gave him bow Knicks's makeup

(54:46):
as far as arm strength and accuracy. Like, but like,
he doesn't have the athletic ability. I'm just saying he
doesn't have the athletic They're not.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I don't think they're in the same category. Knicks is like,
you're he's your first tier. I'm starting a creative player.
He's gonna have a level of ac athleticism. Yeah, but
he's not. I mean he's not Lamar Jackson's Notting Homes
Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I'm saying Sam Darnold is not as athletic as bow Nicks.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Yeah, but who would you rather have? D?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Like Ty Simpson is going to be coming out that urgency,
high ball a pie, yeah, mobility.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
And it's going to be a Sammy D compared to
by Simpson is like Ty Simpson is the perfect example
of like the new pocket passing quarterback Yeah, where it's like, yeah,
he's got he can move his legs a little bit,
but like there's no quarterback design runs, being like, we
got to get.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
That's a pocket pass Baker.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
Where would you where would you categorize Baker gamer?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, he's he's an elusive he's elusive.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, Baker would be like, yeah, pocket quarterbacks like that,
you need to have that ability. Baker's got that.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Baker doesn't have design runs. He's out, he's not a
dual threat.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Like, so, is that what you're saying is that you
need to be you need to have design runs in
order to be athletic.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I think that's where I'm leaning as we're kind of
having like a think tank right now on the bus. Yeah,
there needs to be two to three quarterback design runs.
That's like, oh, the coaching staff believes you can run
like that. Caleb Williams can run like that. Lamar Jackson. Obviously,
Mahomes is a unique one. We're not doing QB design
runs with Mahomes. But he's shown me enough. He's shown

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me enough elusivity to get around a little bit. I
like that. Jalen Hurts quarterback design runs, Josh Allen quarterback
design runs. Aaron Rodgers pocket passer, used to be able
to he Drank Malle quarterback design runs. He's got a couple.

(56:39):
Drake May's kind of got it all he can. He
can't fuck you, Drake mayhold the ball up here. You
see did you see the one yesterday? He actually had
the ball up here. The guy was trying to get it.
He had the ball like this, pusted you down and
then threw the ball. So, yeah, Drake May's got it.
He's got the technique in.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Fundamentals's got some cute feet. I wouldn't say he's got
design runs, but he's got cute enough feet to make
a little bit of magic.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
But he's more of you're saying.

Speaker 7 (57:07):
You're saying Jordan Love sweet.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
He's got the sweetest, sweet, sweet sweet feet.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
What about Jordan Love?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Completely different player when he's under pressure as opposed to
clean pocket. Is he elusive? I don't know you can
pass your You're bringing up the my man's tweet like, yeah,
Cam Woarre's got running ability to him. Not a quarterback
design run guy though, not a quarterback, but for his
life he can make some magic with Yeah. He gets
out a little bit like he's more elusive than he's like, Okay,

(57:36):
you got your sam Donold's, then your Drake May is
probably a level above that on the elusivity chart. And
then it goes up and up and out. Baker's above,
I would say above Cam.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
We might need a graphic for this.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
Donald.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
We're talking a lot of essentially the meet.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
There's thirty two two tears. It's kind of where my
brain is going right now.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
The median now of quarterback play is not as much
pocket passer. It is now more having.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Legs out of the starting quarterbacks. Who is the perfect
balance in this in this discussion?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
That's a great, great question.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, you got Josh Allen, Drake May, Patrick Mahomes, he
would it would be Jalen hurts Man or doesn't turn
it over. He's a good quarterback. But we're talking about
who's the best in this conversation.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Could you imagine Justin Herbert of Eagles, Justin Herbert quarterback, buddy,
perfect quarterback. I love this question. I mean Lamar Jackson's leg,
Lamar's legs.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Baker's ship.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, Baker's Baker's moxy.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Okay, uh dude, arm strength I know we kind of
want to lean Josh Allen, but what about Kayleb Williams,
Rock buddy, he can the freaking ball.

Speaker 10 (59:03):
I was watching the forty nine Ers game and Caleb
Williams like the difference between his throw and Mac Jones.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
No, I love Mac.

Speaker 10 (59:09):
Jones, but Caleb can can rip it every time he throws.

Speaker 6 (59:13):
Stafford. Stafford can rip it.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Stafford.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, you want Stafford's brain, you can. We're putting Stafford's
We're putting Stafford's accuracy.

Speaker 7 (59:24):
Stafford's putting it wherever he wants. He doesn't have to look,
and he's just yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I mean Aaron Rodgers, arm bro I mean, obviously he's old,
he's old.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Starters, but we're forgetting Joe Burrow, Like, do not want
his achilles?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah yeaht up waste, not.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Want his legs?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Joe Burrows Yeah yeah, yeah, face.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Hair, Patrick Mahomes playmaking ability? Is that? Is that a category?
Can we put that in there?

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Joe Burrow? Joe Burrow's serial killer brain.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Drake May's deep ball or got some good quarterbacks out there?
We got some good quarterbacks out there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
No tier talk from Chris Fratelli hashtag tear talk. This
is for Taylor as former players, how can you explain
the Baker, Danny Dimes, Donald mac jones career resurgence coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
It's gotta be it's yeah, right, it's yeah. Dudes being
locked in, dudes being high draft picks, getting knocked off
their pedestal, finding a new place, new energy, new way
to go about their study, habits, their processes like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
And not buying into the doubt that kind of creeps
in your mind when you are having down moments.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
It shows that these guys that get drafted obviously very
high to the worst teams just truly get put in
an awful situation, brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Situation, and it takes like a true talent to overcome
those brutal situations.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
I mean, you're gonna tell me, I said, you're truly fucked.
I mean, you're gonna look at me and tell me
I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
I think, like question if you're a generational guy doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I mean Joe Burrow, Joey b I'm so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Glad you brought him back in the conversation because I
truly forgot about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Joey Be is the only one to go into a
ship franchise and turn it completely around in the last
five ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
That's kind of fair.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
It's fair. It's fair face value. It's fair at face value.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
But like Drake May, we'd obviously have to bring up
something like it's like, so you're to Manny came in.
They were brutal, and I said, five to ten years, okay, that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Was over twenty that was not nice. If you took
Joe Burrow and you put them on the Jets turns
it around.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I feel, I mean, they didn't draft, they didn't draft,
they didn't draft Jamar Chase. Like Arry, I think the.

Speaker 10 (01:01:55):
Jets would be Jets would be kind of nice with Burrow,
with that defense, they had some some Quinn and Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Williams gone, and then like if.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
He was on the Jets, the Jets drafted Zach Wilson.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
He's third on the death chart.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
How sick are you if you're like the Jets, you're
the Cardinals Josh Rosen a few years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
I mean Kyler Murray like he like he got he
drafted number one overall and like, I mean, they're still
kind of ship.

Speaker 10 (01:02:22):
Kyler Murray is a good one. Not to steal this
tier talk but do you think Kyler Murray will have
a resurgence on a new team next year he's not
with the Cardinals. Do you think there's a chance that
Kyler can become that type of quarterback that needs the
chance he goes to Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, he's gotta go. He's gotta everyone. There is to
be a line at the door the Rams. Yeah, there
needs to be like a seminar and like the Cape
the Kevin O'Connell just puts on once a year. It's
all like backup quarterbacks. That's how quarterbacks play gets better. Wait, Jets,

(01:02:57):
oh have success. He's got to go to Minnesota first,
and then it does matter where he goes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Didn't know golf won a Super Bowl with the Rams. Yeah,
he lost, lost to Bowl, went to Super Bowl. He
like he was one in that because I feel like
turn it around.

Speaker 7 (01:03:11):
He turned it around, like he was there. They were
kind of bad for a couple of years and then
they like once McVeigh got hired, they went and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I was just saying, Detroit, you never turned around.
They still win when sixteen they still sucked. Yeah, that
is a great argument for Joe Burrow and how good
he is with Stafford at Detroit.

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
I mean, because you can't necessarily say it about Mahomes
because they were good with Alex Smith before him. You
can kind of say it about Josh Allen like they they.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, Josh, Josh Allen's a good one. Yeah, I mean win.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So your statement kind of just got thrown in the
trash two people, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Uh,
we just said Stafford and Jared Goff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
No, no, no, I think the argument bill playoff team when
they draft because Jared Goff they weren't good that McVeigh
got there, which is great coaching. So that's that's kind
of like the changeing go with there. Jeff's great quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Would you put Herbert in there?

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
I feel like fringe g Herbert, fringe guy. Hebert is
supposed to start his first Gamey Taylor got poked in
the lung and that's how he started.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Philip Rivers. They do it on purpose, so they're always
pretty salty. Chargers were always pretty salty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, they weren't like an abysmal franchise, Like what are like,
what are the worst franchises? The Browns, the Jets. Well,
I see the Giants kind of giants have had success
in this century though, No.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Ye, But before that they had.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Watch, they had Shaun Watson, they had a great defense.
They were competing in the A C South every year Jags,
Trevor Lawrence, je Jade Daniels, Trevor.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Lawrence to Washington is trash this year, man. But even
when he's played there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
They still I feel like w it has the product
truly changed at the quarterback position with the Commanders Jayden Daniels,
Marcus Merita. Has the product really changed that much? No,
I don't think I don't think so either. And it's like,
if you're a Washington fan, you're in hell because this

(01:05:19):
is twenty fifteen twenty sixteen all over again.

Speaker 9 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Just defensively, it's fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Gilimoto. Gillamoto has a nice Gilli Moto. Gillimoto has a
nice tear. We got a Bears fan right here. How
many points per game do you think a head coach
is worth?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Diehard Bears fan here, I'm almost willing to give Ben
Johnson plus six points. This is a per This is
a per team by team basis. See Rabel is like
plus three and a half. But I think at this
point for Able over Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
If you have this whole thought process in one tweet,
Ben Johnson's for sure worth six points. They score on
every drug opening drive and that's just your script, your
top fifteen.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
What would you say McVeigh is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
McVay is tough because Stafford?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah, these are so all these but definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Nine. How you going to just playing the Gillia motto game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
But for Gilly moto? How you giving Ben Johnson six
and Brable three and a half. And you're like, but
I like Rabel.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
That's like me saying the Patriots the best team, but
I also think are better and Red But I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
Andy Reid did it with McNabb and stuff in Philly
and then with Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
You got to give Andy Reid at least plus eight
more than giving double digits Andy Reid more than Braves. Yeah.
I think you look at the historically like their resumes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, uh cam at Cameron Leech twenty three,
George Jonathan Taylor deserves MVP if it keeps this up.
I get it's a quarterback award, but this is a historic,
historic season. Should the NFL move to an MVP and
a MVQB award. No, I think we need to get
back to who's the best player in the NFL, and

(01:07:08):
right now it's Jonathan Taylor. Without a doubt. He's got
Do you have three again?

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:07:14):
I saw a stat between through ten games last year,
Saquon had like I think Jonathan Taylor's had eleven hundred
and thirty nine yards. I think through ten games last
year had eleven hundred and thirty seven yards. So Jonathan
Taylor is ahead of Saque's pace last year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
And he's got to be way ahead of him in touchdowns,
Like what's he on pace for?

Speaker 7 (01:07:36):
He's right now on pace to break the record touchdown wise,
I'm not sure. I think he has like fifteen touchdowns
this year sixteen, So he's not on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, we start having that conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
He's he's what is he in the fandowadds thirds he
moved up from twelve to third after this past weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, he is in the MVP race. It's gonna be
harder for the run back to keep it up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Then it is a quarterback the last quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
No kids in the morning, man, kids in the morning,
the noon. I'm like watching them all.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
Well, if he if Jonathan Taylor runs for like nineteen
hundred yards and like twenty six touchdowns and account has
like four or five more receiving touchdowns, so accunts for
almost thirty touchdowns. Do you think that's MVP worthy?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Would love to see two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I love you get But again, well, what's the what's
the touchdown record for running backs?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Twenty six?

Speaker 7 (01:08:29):
I thought it was twenty seven, twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Davian Thomason in two thousand and six had twenty six
or twenty eight and he won MVP. I think it's
the last running back to win it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
It it truly, it all depends with Drake May and Stafford.
Like Stafford is blowing it up right now.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
Drake already has more touchdown Stafford has more touchdowns this
year already than he did all of last year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yeah. What what's he thrown for in the last three games?
Thirteen stupid? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been having fantasy
you should be playing Yeah yeah yeah. And then again,
Drake May. It's like if the Patriots in the year
and they're the one seed in the AFC and Drake
May continues to play the way he's been playing, with
the stat line he has, it's gonna be very hard

(01:09:16):
to not give it to Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah. That's the problem is like Jonathan Taylor has to
do like those types of numbers you're talking about, like
two thousand and thirty total touchdowns. Yeah, on a show,
but he continues to put on a show man continuing awesome,
like came down to the wire overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
Falcons are the most bipolar team.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
In the bipolar man. They Yeah, they are bro they Falcons.
If you were like a betman, you want to stay
away from the Falcons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're on the
no bet list.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Away from Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah, I mean I think they're either.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Getting blown out or blowing you out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Yeah, yeah, you want to stay away from Miami as well.
I'd put them on the note.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
I feel like even Falcons players like bees On, he's
on the no bet list as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
What's yeah, what's going on? Dude? I have him and
like Algier whatever, dude, who cares? I shouldn't know his name.
Bijon should be starting.

Speaker 7 (01:10:10):
He should be playing every single every snap like he was.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
Two touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Middle of October, We're sitting on ESPN and Darren Lofsky
goes by middle of November, BJ Robbins won't be in
the m v P conversation since then. He's on downhill.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
And here's our here's our last tier talk here from
Jonah conson Jonah K six two on x hashtag teer talk.
Do you think Cleveland Browns fans are the most tortured
in franchise history and what would you do to get
them to a championship level team? I I don't know
that last part of the answer. I would say, are

(01:10:48):
you the most tortured fans? Like there's some there's some
brutal fan bases out there. Machine being with the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Jets, dude. Last week I was doing the Gillette thing
and I went and did a like local Jets podcast,
and the guy just you could tell there was so
much torture behind those eyes, but he was smiling the
entire time like he he's like in twenty years when
we're good, Like I'm gonna be sitting here like I
like people are born into it, which I'm sure they are.

(01:11:15):
The Cleveland I would give the edge of the Jets,
though Baker Market every year is their year. There's always
some sort of glimmer of hope Like this year, it's
they've traded away everything, So like twenty twenty six is
going to be your year and it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
What about?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Uh, I could say I could give the edge to
Cleveland just because you just because you also live in Cleveland.
I mean it takes a real sicko Cleveland or Jersey
to be a diehard Cleveland fan, like a real Cigo. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
But like yeah, I mean you think about those that
the quarterbacks that they have gone through. They've gone through
like thirty quarterbacks and still and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You have Baker Mayfield. Bro, you can just stay with
Baker Mayfield and the way to get a championship. Move
the team fresh. Start first at Eyes, you know, Bahama
team something, do something different, you know, Key West, San Diego,
the San Diego be so sick.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
The San Diego Browns. Yeah, doesn't feel right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, feel right? I mean you don't have to keep
the load of the Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, for real, all right, boys will feel good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I'm trying to figure out where they're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Utah, send them up to Alaska, give Alaska one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Put them overseas. You know they're talking about expanding overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Yeah, move them overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Episode, Electric Weekend of football Electric Electric Weekend. We'll start
with Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Let's do the other one of the way, and just
to let and just to let the audience know, the
sticks are obviously getting higher toward the end of the
football season. We'll be talking all things college football. In
this episode. We're gonna be releasing the NFL. The NFL
won shortly after, but we have a we have a
huge one this week, a massive Saturday that we just
had a and m dominates with.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
The NFL is coming first. Mitch is doing this. That
means NFL comes first, and then show.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Okay, the way we're sitting, so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
You're listening to this, you've already hit the NFL. Yes,
and you want yourself a little college portion. That's what
you're getting at right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Right there we go, There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
You've heard this also on the NFL portion, which we're
gonna shoot a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Yes, and coach Joey McGuire, he's gonna be tuning in
the bust with the boys his big win out Lubbock,
Texas Love. We're covering everything, conference breakdown, Heisman conversations, the
college Football Playoff. By the way, shout out to the
a CEC for ship in the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Bed before everybody in the bed. Who's winning that thing? Now?
Georgia Tech's winn't it? As what's happening? And did Miami
find themselves? Now they're gonna have a possibility to jump
into the championship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Game, so they could like this will be for any
ACC SI goos out there, But Georgia Tech is eight
to one, Virginia gets upset by Wake, Louisville gets upset
by Cal. So you have Virginia as a two loss team,
Louisville's a two loss team. It's a two loss team
in Miami, all two loss teams. So I think it
is safe to say that there will only be one

(01:16:15):
ACC team getting one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
There will only be one, I know, dude, No, I
don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:16:22):
If if Georgia Tech is only has one loss and
they lose their conference championship game, they might not get eliminated.
Because they didn't eliminate SMU last year in the same scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
But that call, that's a great call. They would have
to beat Obviously, with them being a one loss or
losing the championship, that means they're beating Georgia. They'd have
to be george So we need Georgia to take care
of business. We need Georgia to take care of business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Georgia takes care of business only one Accoys. I feel,
is this bust a little anti ACC right now? Yes,
very very Why I'm not pro ok right now? I'm
a I'm an independent. I'm just trying to figure out
I want to be on and I feel like linesman
John and the Sanders, I just want to know where
I stand.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Here's my breakdown of why it seems like we are
now anti ACC. Wasn't before all this chaos started to ensue.
It's like Miami was supposed to be dominant team old
college football season until they did what Miami does. So
when they lost too, it's kind of like, oh shit,
you got Georgia Tech. They were supposed to be dominant.
Who'd they end up losing to Duke not too long ago? Duke,

(01:17:23):
Who's they beat?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Duke. That's right, because they're.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
All Duke just lost a Yukon over the weekend and
has been.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
And Duke has just weirdly been his favorite. It's like
Illinois and other school It's like, what are y'all doing
out here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
In our brains? Because us two sitting up there were
more Big Ten then the boys in the back of
us SEC. We look at SEC, you look at Big Ten,
even the Big Twelve to a certain extent, acc to me,
is just not like as far as depth throughout the
entire conference. Clemson was supposed to be a dog this year.
They weren't. Then Virginia coming out of nowhere. Louisville's a

(01:17:56):
good football team. I will give Louisville credit to me
that they've been somebody who been consistent over.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
The football team, playoff, football team, or just good football team.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
If Louisville would have been a one loss team, that's
where in my brain, that's where you start to Okay,
let's see them getting the College Wall playoff. But again,
acc with all these two loss teams, to me, they're
not a conference that's going to have a lot of
these two loss conversations that the Big Ten's going to
have that, the SEC is going to have that the
Big twelve can have in a couple scenarios.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
A lot of the ACC teams somehow don't play each
other either, That's what says.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Yeah, yeah, that is very odd. That is very odd
how that works out that way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Okay, and the way everybody was talking about again, all
the massive implications going on inside of.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
The chance to get three correct one at one point
there was four that would be arguing, four that'd be
arguing in the ACC.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Around all this chaos talk from the other big games
that are going on, say, oh shit, the ACC could
really blow up all of college football if they have
a lot of the they have like four teams two
with one loss, two with two laws. They're all kind
of beating each other. How do you keep them out?

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
We know what these bad losses over the weekend, these ups.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
We know who they are. We know they are who
we thought they were at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
So not anti ACC, but just these upsets kind of
save college football.

Speaker 7 (01:19:08):
Yeah, I think we're more anti ACC because we want
to see like more SEC and Big ten teams get
in and like with.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
These teams, are you guys, are just you guys are
just you're not anti ACC, you're just more Hey, we
got to keep the timeline correct. And having four A
SEC teams in college playoffs. I think one was invited.
They said, hey, can I bring somebody? Like you can
maybe bring two, but that person wanted to bring two people.
And we're like, this HiT's get a little fucked up.
A couple of people bailed out. Now just maybe one

(01:19:36):
person's coming to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
This bus is pro good football teams getting into college.
For I like, that's it just because they like that,
just because they have the ACC tie that day, and
that's what's unfortunate. But it's like you're seeing these teams
and it's like they're not They're not in these conversations
with everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
It's so it's yeah, because what we're looking at possibly
four SEC teams correct, possibly four big ten teams. Now
that is totally based on Michigan be Ohio State, which
last four years, but we know Ohio State's looking like
a juggernaut. Michigan still figuring it out. But yeah, Indiana
they'll make it, Ohio State will make it. And I'm
assuming Organ Washington shit the bed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah, bring a big ten Washington the bed usc US
season there, Steal has to play Oregon. They do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
They still have to play Oregon, and I think one
other team that you're like, oh, that's not necessarily a
win right there. So you're looking at those three and
that if Michigan can beat Ohio State, you gotta let
Michigan in as well. Michigan wins yeah, well yeah, they're in.
Michigan controls their destiny. There's an absolute fucking juggernaut at
the end of that twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
But hey, if we want it happened last year, If
we want big ten chaos, Michigan wins out and USC
wins out, but go do then you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Have USC schedule real quick. If USC is a two
loss team, they're getting they're in. They are in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
It's Oregon who would be a two loss team that
could not get in. Michigan could not get in. But
as far as Michigan, as far as arguments to get
teams in the like, that's where it's like, Okay, we
would see some good chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Michigan gets in, Michigan wins out, and you beat the
number one team in the country, like you're in, right.
I think that that's that's like a Yeah, that's done right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
That argument is for sure, they're all. All I'm saying is,
if you're looking at these two loss teams and only
one of them gets in, you can't not look at
the head to head with with USC and Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
They got Iowa. But it's it's it's in l A.
And I think that's a much different vibe than an
Iowa say.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Look, it's a tough Iowa football Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
They travel out to the coast, though, Can those corn
fed boys look at the coast for the first time
not get distracted?

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Can us see out physical the more physical team.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
They've done it before, right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
So it's like this Iowa team is a tough football team.
Now you can't sleep on them. Can't sleep on them.
Then you got to Oregon. That'll be the big one
that'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
In U C. L A. Which we found out this
weekend they've finally been putting their players by the Huskers.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Latif I tried telling everybody, what is I know, I
know we usually we saved Nebraska talk for the end,
but what is the conversation surrounding Lincoln? If TJ. Latiff
has tho that game he had? Yeah, three more times?
Is here a quarterback controversy in Lincoln, Nebraska? Did you
see the I saw I saw somebody tweet that. I

(01:22:18):
saw you tweet that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Did you see Ben Affleck in the corner?

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Did you see?

Speaker 9 (01:22:23):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Did you see Sidney Sweeney's interview last week that was
going viral Coach McGuire, but her denim coach McGuire, he
can hear this. He we're talking about coach ruling the
Huskers right now? Did you Yeah? Did you see the
way Sidney Sweeney answered that pr question last week?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, Until there's a problem I wanna address, I'll if.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
I feel like there's something there, you will hear me
speak on it. But right now, there's nothing there. With TJ.
Latiff and being the future quarterback of Nebraska, this is
one football. He's a freshman, right, and he's a baller.
But again, this is this is this is not a
big enough sample size. If you're gonna get a sample
size of TJ. Latif, and this would actually be a conversation,
you need three or four games of ball before you

(01:23:02):
play like a good defense, because after three or four
games you now have tendencies to where it's like, all right,
they called the game a certain way out there against
UCLA four TG latite to be successful and he bowled
out and UCLA.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Didn't know what you guys are gonna do? Right, I
understand that. Yeah, what the original question was is if TJ.
Latif plays like that for the next three four games.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, if that becomes an issue, that's when Will Compton
will speak on it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Right now, that's what we'll have the conversation. Let's have
the conversation. But coach Rewire, let's get.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Left talking about the Huskers.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
He got a little nervous, got a little nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
He's like I watched Busts with the boys. You're gonna
have to give Will about ten to fifteen minutes with
the Huskers.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Here's what I love. Coach, Hey, please, just let's give
a coach a right of applause real quick for being
in here. Big win, big win and tahos uh. We
have a lot of coaches on that after big games
they get wins and they do a zoom call with
us and every coach like Dan lenn he's got the
big oh in the back with some wings going off.
We had who's the coach for Notre Dame who's the

(01:24:02):
coach for Freeman? Freeman, He's got the nice wood. I
love the simplicity of your desk right now. Looks like
you're sitting at a cubicle. You're keeping the main thing,
the main thing. Well, everybody is like, this team is
spending all the money in the world. How does it
feel to have college game day in Lubbock, Texas and
be able to put on a performance that you guys
did against BYU.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
It was incredible. I wish I would have got to
experience it starting Sunday because they started camping out on Sunday.
There was a there was a party Tuesday night, Wednesday night,
Thursday night that I've never seen anything like it. I
wanted to be a college kid.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
I mean, we got barber's out there, we had two
DJ's out there, we had a couple of people doing nails.
Thursday night went all that long, I mean in the
entire night, So it was pretty incredible. And then having
game day here and it just made it even better
that Friday night going into Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
You got a seven days of parting to taking place.
You've got twenty three transfers and everyone transfer portal classes.
Last year everyone's playing like absolute dogs together like they've
been they have no other since birth. What's the conversation
like with these guys when you're like, hey, listen, I
know there's some pretty girls out there right now and
they're partying Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday for this game,

(01:25:18):
how do you limit distractions and keep these guys focused
on ball? Because we've all been in college, we've all
been out there. There's a couple of parties going on.
Nothing says I want to be undisciplined like a Tuesday
night party, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
A couple of things. One, we embraced it from the standpoint,
like it literally you walked out of our front door
and the tempts were right there outside of our facility.
We connect our facility connects to the stadium and so
it was right outside. So like Wednesday practice, we walked

(01:25:53):
through it going down to the stadium to end practice.
So we embraced it. But the one thing, this is
an old team. We like in our advanced scouting, there
hasn't been a team yet that is taking as many
snaps offensive, defensively and special teams as this team has.
So this is an old team and they understand man,

(01:26:14):
we talk about it all the time, you know, make
it about football, like all the stuff around it. That's
the great thing about college football, the pageantry, you know,
everything that goes on to get to Saturday. But when
that ball is kicked off, we got to make it
about football.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
And they did a.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Great job of doing it, you know, and really policing themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Coach, Clearly, the job is not finished. But going into
the season, you know, the speculation around Texas Tech and
all the guys that you brought in from the portal,
the talk was you guys brought in a lot of mercenaries.
Is this money and everything else paying these players? Is
it actually going to work out? And you were having
conversation with Josh Payton everybody else saying that this is
as close of a group as you've been around. Clearly,

(01:26:57):
the job is not finished. But now looking at the
product that they've put on the field, how proud of you?
How proud are you? And not surprised are you of
what this football team has accomp accomplished this season?

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Yeah? First, I love your hat man, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Hey, thank you. We'll get you one. We will ship
you one today.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Yeah, that's cool. You know, I'm extremely proud. I'm proud
of the guys that we were able to retain the
guys that chose to stay with Baron and Jay Rod
Jack Rodriguez and you know, Ben Roberts, Sheridan Wilson, on
and on an old koy Ake and I don't want
to miss anybody, but I'm proud of those guys because

(01:27:34):
they helped me so much create what it means to
be a Red Raider and what are culture's all about.
And then man, we had such buy in. Well one
reason I think we had such buy in, And if
you came into this building, you would understand this. There's
not one single person, it's on my staff that doesn't
believe that the most important thing we have in this

(01:27:56):
building is the player. And they feel it every single day.
So if you're our head, our head dietitian, your job
is to make sure that you're the best in the
country at what you do, and you make it all
about the player, and it goes on and on from
the trainer to the street staff. And we're like that
every single day. We don't deviate from what we do,

(01:28:16):
so they have a constant reminder that we care about
him at a very high level, and they play like it.
And I'm proud because in this world right now, it's
all about you know, what have you done for me lately?
It's all about me, me, me, and one thing that
you've got to do. In a team sport, it's got
to be about the team. It's got to be about

(01:28:37):
you know, the greater, greater than yourself. And these guys
have really bought into that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Coach you you brought up one name, Jacob Rodriguez, you
guys being in the Big twelve, him being a defensive guy.
You have things going against you from a national media
layscape or national recognition. Why should a guy like Jacob
Rodriguez being the Heisman conversation? And can you talk but
the impact he has as a defensive player on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Yeah, you know, And I don't want to. I'm not
trying to disrespect anybody. I mean, I just go back
and I mean, I'm a football gee, you know, I
mean I'm about to when we get off here, I'm
literally gonna pull up the brackets of the Texas High
School Coaches Association brackets to look through every level of
who's playing who, And you know, I just go back,

(01:29:25):
and I think about different people, like whenever Travis won
it last year, how could you not give it to Travis.
He's the most dominant when you look around college right now,
Like I think the Indiana quarterbacks playing, I think that
the Ohio State quarterbacks playing at a high level for
their positions. I think Jacob rov is, Like, I know

(01:29:47):
there's linebackers out there, like Ohio State's got a linebacker
that's playing at a really high level. I just know
what my guy does down after down after down, and
there's some freaky, freaky stats. It haven't been done by
defensive players. Like the dudes punched out seven footballs this year.

(01:30:07):
He had another interception that he tipped it to his cell,
and then he recovered a fumble, I mean, and then
he had fourteen tackles.

Speaker 6 (01:30:14):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
The dude just's he's an absolute machine and he's everything
right about college football. The dude slept on his floor
as a walk on during the spring semester until I
had a scholarship whenever he transferred from Virginia Virginia. So
it's it's just like there's so many things. Plus his

(01:30:36):
wife's a badass. He's an army of black Hawks, black
Hawks helicopter pilots.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
So shit, ste Dude, that is incredible. Yeah, we need
there needs to be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Like some sort of like ad campaign that takes place
for this individual.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
So there there is one there. Because the last time
a linebacker has been in the Heisman conversation was Mantitao.
Man Titayo had about one and thirteen ten. Right now,
Jacob Rodriguez is on pace to beat that. He's averaging
like eight and a half nine a game. Main Titeo
had seven takeaways during his senior season. Coach has mentioned it.
He's punched out seven balls, he's forced seven fumbles, and

(01:31:15):
he has ten takeaways right now on the season alone.
So I do think that conversation will start really coming alive.
But dude, that is incredible. The whole sleeping on the floor,
that is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
You brought up having conversations with players when you're bringing
a bunch of these guys in and one Newsworthy type
thing was you had a bunch of guys that played
for you last year on the defensive line, and then
you brought in a bunch of individuals as well. I
want to know how that conversation takes place with these
guys that play a lot of snaps for you, they're
expecting to take the next step, they want to be
a starter. They have dreams and aspirations of being in

(01:31:47):
the NFL, and you essentially have to sit there and
be like, hey, we're bringing in these guys, You're going
to be more of a rotational player. Like, talk to
me about those players their ego and how they're able
to put it to the side and understand that the
team's most important, but also like they're chasing their dreams.
Is a very unique situation that you have in a
world that everybody just wants to get the most money

(01:32:07):
and the most playing time. We had a bunch of
cake eaters in college football right now it seems like
Texas Tech does not have any of those.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
You know, it's probably easier on the defensive side of
the ball than on the office side of the ball,
because you know, you do rotate a lot of guys,
so you're gonna have snaps kind of be broken up.
But you know, I think one thing I can tell
you is we brought in dudes like and so I
think if you're real, if you really understand football and
you bring in a Romeo Height and you're sitting there

(01:32:38):
trying to compare yourself to Romelo Height. You find out
real quiet quick that you can't compare yourself to that dude.
When you bring in a David Bailey and you're like, man,
I should be playing over this guy. And then you
see David Bailey play it, You're like, you have to
like be so delusional that you're not supposed to be
behind him. And so I think that helps, Like you
gotta be real careful. I remember saving saying it last week.

(01:33:02):
Got to be in the right guys, who got to
pay the right guys, and and so I think that's
really important. But I do believe talking to these guys
too about look, he is only gonna make you a
better football player, because one, you're gonna try to play
to his level. In two, in the defensive line, you're
not supposed to be playing seventy and eighty snaps. You

(01:33:25):
know you're not supposed to be, And so you get
some of that taken off your body and you're gonna
get to play at a higher level. So they understand that.
But that was one thing that was important. It's like
I was talking to my GM and I was like, man,
when we bring guys in, if they're comparable our guy,
then why are we doing it. We got to bring
in dudes that are definitely gonna make us better and

(01:33:48):
our players can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Coach, I know, I listened to your interview with Josh Payton.
You brought up a couple couple of mentors, a couple
guys along the way, and it was a coach woods
and coach rule. And so I reached out the coach
rule and asked him and told him that I'll be
having you on this morning, and he wanted me to
bring up your first interview with him at I hop
How was that breakfast?

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Well, I've been We went.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
To about three pots of coffee. You know. It was
one of those deals I'll never forget. It was a
Sunday morning, and we had to do it on Sunday
because he works for me, David Martin. He was playing
for a state championship in Oklahoma Friday night, and we
had this deal to where whoever lost had to cross

(01:34:34):
the Red River and go watch the other guy play.
So I was supposed to interview with Coach Roll on Friday,
and I called him. I said, Coach I'll do I'll
come back Saturday morning. I'll do whatever I said, But
I can't watch my buddy not play for the state championship.
And so he won his first state championship. Came back
to Texas and met with coach in Hillsborough and I

(01:34:55):
hop and my wife, whenever I was leaving, she goes,
you know you're never gonna leave.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Why are you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Going to talk to this guy? And I said, man,
there's just something about him and I got to find
out what it is. And whenever I walked out at
the meeting here, I called Debbie and I said, hey,
if he offers us a job of going to favor
and the thing that he talked about is how much
he pour and he does and everything he said he
does he pours into players. I believe in that. I
believe in making these guys men that they're supposed to become, and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
He does that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
He is a tough guy. His teams are physical. I
believe in that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
And so we just hit it off.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
And I tell everybody this, if I hadn't have been
hired by Matt Rule, because I was probably going to
go to college, I had the opportunity, but that was
my son's senior year and everything was going to change.
I wouldn't be at Texas Tech without Matt Role, and
the reason is because he has no ego when it
comes to pour an end of coaches. And I walked
by his office one day day and he said get

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in here. This is like three to four weeks into
the job, and he goes, hey, man, you're supposed to
be a head coach. I've been a head coach fourteen years.
And I was like, you know, I like to think
that I should be. He goes, no, no, no, you're
supposed to be a head coach at this level. Let
me show you what you don't know. And it was
roster management. It was about recruiting. It was about graduating

(01:36:17):
players early, letting them start their masters when they still
had two years left in the program. Like just stuff
like that that you know as a high school coach
I didn't have to deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
That is awesome. That is awesome. He also said, you
loved wearing a jacket in mornings in case they made
the coaches run.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
Well, let me tell you it was. It was pretty
cold one morning and I should have known by his reaction.

Speaker 6 (01:36:44):
So i' mean we're going to.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
The indoor to do our fourth quarter. And it's in February,
and I've got shorts on, and I said, how's it going, coach,
And he goes, not good. He was pissed off about
something and I should have turned around and got some clothes.
Well I didn't, and instead of doing the fourth quarter
and in or we did the fourth quarter and in
the frost and helped the football field and I froze

(01:37:07):
my tailloff and being on it didn't matter what the
weather was like. I dressed warm for those early mornings
because I didn't know what kind of mood it was
going to be in. And I make sure my taillof
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
While you were telling those amazing stories, I was handed
a note by one of our producers. Texas Tech has
never won a Big twelve championship. And I don't say
that to rub it in. I said, because you're a
staring down the barrel of an opportunity here to bring
home the first Big Big twelve championship to Texas Tech.
Patrick Mahomes is at the game this past weekend. He's
talking about, you know, when I was here, we didn't
really have this kind of environment. It's so amazing to

(01:37:43):
see love of Texas like acting like this crazy. They're
they're they're camping out seven five, six days before. Now
you have an opportunity to do something that Texas Tech
has never done. You have a massive game with college
game be there. Now, you got UCF coming in. How
do you keep the train and keep these guys all
focused knowing that you're have the opportunity to do something

(01:38:04):
that's never been done before at that College'll.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Go back to the coach rule, you know, his big
motto is what's next?

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
And I walked into the locker room. I was one
of the first guys in the locker room after the
game and Jake Brodriguez I think it was the first
player in the game. And I came over and gave
him a hug and said how proud I was of him,
and he goes, Coach, I just want to remind you
this wasn't our goal and we got more in front
of us. He said, let's be happy, but what's next?
And I was like, man, here's a player saying that.

(01:38:33):
He said it to the guys in the weight room
yesterday during our lyft before our team meeting. You know,
we understood what a year this was. You know how
big of a year this was going to be because
we can eliminate so many excuses and things that people
use against us in recruiting. You know, we we have
the best facility in the country. I mean, it's absolutely incredible,

(01:38:53):
and so whenever people say we got better facilities now
they don't. We share at the highest level when it
comes to the revenue sharing. So it's not the money.
You know. The thing that people can use against us
is we've never won the Big twelve. So that's that's
the next box we're trying to check off. So now
we have no excuse to you know, compete for it.
You're in and year out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Coach Man. We're rooting for you the rest of the way, bro,
Thank you for taking time out of your morning to
join busting with the boys. Good luck. The rest of
the way, we will be rooting for you, and we
will be you know, as a linebacker, I'll be helping
try and carry the torch to get Jacob Rodriguez in
more of this national conversation. But thank you, thank you man.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
I'm a big fan of you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
I freaking love it. I love what you do for
college football and really appreciate having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Man, we gotta get out there. We gotta get out there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah, gotta go out there. If this is an invite, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Telling you I'll take care of you. Had the best
steak you've ever had.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Man, we gotta go. We gotta go to an I Hop.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
We gotta have breakfast at I Hop, three pots of coffee,
and then we'll finish it off with the best think
we've ever had. We're gonna get your address. We're gonna
send you a bunch of dad. Which girl are you?
You're obviously a father. How many kids do you have.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
I've got two kids. My daughter is a Red Raider,
she's a fashion designer in Manhattan, New York. And my
son actually coached for coach Rule at Carolina Panthers at
Nebraska and now he's my running back coach.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
So keep it in the house, man, I love him.
That's amazing. We'll get you some dad merch. We're looking
forward to seeing you during spring balls. Give coach went
one more round of a pause. Thank you, coach. Think
you've been taking the time man, Yes, sir, Indiana Penn
State people would keep forgetting that Penn State's got a
top twenty five roster, and they showed. They showed Indiana

(01:40:38):
that right to the end, man, what a throw and catch?
Who is the wide receiver they caught that ball?

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Cooper, Dude, Cooper, unbelievable. And that Fernando Mendoza kid, he
is just do that final drive unreal awesome to see
the way he was spinning the catches that these receivers
are making, like only in spots that they could catch
him starting off and getting sacked to start the drive
was kind of like, oh shit, Like Penn State might
upset this Indiana team. Everybody's gonna be waiting to say

(01:41:05):
overrated all of this stuff you kind of see because
it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Worst team for it to happen to. Yeah, yeah, if
Ohio State got upset by by Penn State, would be
the whole conversation will be around, Well, that's a good roster.
Those guys are all you know, James Franklin's gone blah
blah blah. Indiana loses, It's like they are who we
thought they were. Yeah, yeah, people are begging Indiana to suck.
You think, so what Gi Sa Guigo's They still might
be who we thought they.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Were, they could be, like, that's gonna be the first
thing if they drop a game, if they you know,
college will playoff. Let's say their ranked in the top four,
because that's where they're trending right now. We'll actually get
to watch them against Ohio State most likely in the
Big Ten Championship, so we will get to see. But
I just think, like for Fernando Mendoza, the whole Heisman
campaign and everything else, like there are moments that guys

(01:41:49):
are gonna have to have, and I feel like he
got to have a Heisman moment on that final drive,
like this dude was spinning the rock. But they very
well could be, like they could get their ass beat
like they did last year in the college wool will playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Yeah, they got to walk through for the rest of
their season. They Wisconsin and Purdue. Matt Matt put it
on what's that Wisconsin? That's a good that's a good
Washington football team. What do you argue the best quarterback,
running back, receiver trio and all the Big Ten?

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
What do you got jp?

Speaker 9 (01:42:18):
Matt put it on our radar this morning. One of
the Indiana receivers is from father Ian. He had seven
catches yesterday for like one hundred and thirty yards.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Is this the same kid who was like his career
he had seven catches and just in this game alone,
he doubled his career catches. Probably because I saw a
stat line. I don't remember who exactly it was, but
it was like seven catches, one hundred and thirty something.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
Nashville guys dominating college football.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Dude, boys man love to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
What what are your guys' thoughts on the Fernando Mendoza
Julian saying Heisman race Heisman conversation. I'm fired up about
learning more about Jacob Rodriguez. You see names getting thrown around,
Jeremiah Smith, Jeremiah love, Ty Simpson in the conversation, Emmitt
Johnson getting in the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Hneyards rushing, hun yards receiving in a game this year.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Yeah, I want to say he's the first guy in
the history for Nebraska to really I know somebody was
kind of trying to fact check it, like, I don't
know if that's confirmed. That's what was. You're even Rex
didn't receive, He didn't play receiver as much as a mirror.

(01:43:27):
But yeah, bro, Emma Johnson's flat out bawling, like the
dude should be absolutely an All American for him to
have what does he have? He leads the country. I
believe in all purpose he's one or two. He's one
or two. He's second in rushing, second in rushing. Fourteen
touchdowns he said, two twenty and three touchdowns this past
game against UCLA. He's a baller bro he's balling. But

(01:43:49):
to bring it back, like, what are your guys thoughts
on the conversation, I was going back and forth with
some Ohio State fans. I'm doing my best about yo.
Julian Saying is a stud. I believe he's a stud.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
The only the only game I've been able to watch
of Ohio State that like I really would tune into
was the Penn State game last week and then when
they played Washington, And it's like, Julian Saying is a
good football player. He throw, he gets the ball out quick,
he makes great decisions when he gets in a pinch,
he uses his legs, his limited athletic ability to get
him the first down to move the chains. They don't
have like the best run game in the in the

(01:44:19):
entire world. But my question is, is Julian Saying that
good or does he have the two best wide receivers
in college football and for that reason he is that good.
I'm sure there's some sort of combination of the two.
And being a Michigan guy, I don't want to like
disrespect the kid, because I do think he's balling out
right now, but there is something to be said about,
you know, Jeremiah Smith and was it Cardinell.

Speaker 7 (01:44:39):
Take Carnell tell you, I think he does definitely have
freaks around him. I mean, he's it looks like he's
the Him and Mendoz are tied at plus one sixty
five when the FANDUL sports book at for odds, and.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
The next one's Ty Simpson at plus five hundred, So
right now it's a two man race.

Speaker 7 (01:44:53):
I mean, I think Marcel Reid, with who he's like,
the teams that he's playing, and how he's like played,
I think he should be higher up. But I think
like if Fernando Mendoza wins it, I think it's kind
of like a boring Heisman Trophy winner because he hasn't
like he doesn't really make flashy plays. He just doesn't
necessarily make them. Those mistakes. Niniana hasn't necessarily played anybody
other than Oregon, and I don't think if I remember correctly,

(01:45:15):
he played all that well. Like neither of them have
really had like a oh, that's like their Heisman moment,
that's their Heisman game. Like I think Jeremiah Love he's
a stud and I mean what he put he had
like six touchdowns in one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Game or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Yeah, I remember somebody said he would be the Heisman.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
I forget who it was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
It's just like the comparable that I was diving into
was being surrounded by freaks. People brought up Joe Burrow
and I'm like, yeah, well Joe Burrow threw for like
over six thousand yards or like around six thousand yards
and what sixty touchdowns. Yeah, and he goes on He's,
you know, undefeated season, He's beaten teams Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia,
like the schedule that Ohio States had. If Julian Saying

(01:45:58):
is surrounded by these freaks because like their run game
has been what it's been in the past at Ohio State,
like Julian Saying, like they would be dominating teams and
he would his stat line would be far and above
anybody else's and since it's comparable with Fernando Mendoza, Mendoza
having like a Heisman moment that people got to kind
of witness on the stage against Penn State when Penn
State was about to upset them. I just think it's like, Yo,

(01:46:20):
Bernando Mendoza's has done more with lay with way less
as he's kind of come onto the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
I agree with that, but also like Ohio State, you
can tell the trust they have and Julian standing because
they their run game is not as good, but they
do not want to run the ball. They want to
throw the ball. And so the kid's been putting the
ball in the right spot very rarely, as there are
a lot of like dbs drenched around these wide receivers,
but he's still like he throws a great deep ball,
puts it right in the bucket. I mean, these guys

(01:46:47):
going across the field like there's no one around, but
he's putting it right on the chest to the wide receivers. Yeah,
there's a level of like this kid has a lot
of talent. Obviously, I think he has. If I were
to give it to somebody right now, it would be
Fernando Mendoza, for the reasons you said, like he's doing
he's got less players around him. I think it'd be
sick if Indiana got themselves a Heisman winner Ohio State.

(01:47:08):
How many do they have, like five or six something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Yeah, I just feel like usually in college football there's
somebody who's just dominating the statu sheet. And if somebody
is gonna be doing it, it would be Julian Insane
right now. And it's just not dominant the way that
you would typically see one of these Beast quarterbacks, especially
when you're surrounded by aliens, like dominating the scene all
season long.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
I do like the Marshall Reider. I like the Marshall
read like he is a fucking baller.

Speaker 7 (01:47:31):
Really insane. I think as like an eighty percent completion percentage,
which is kind of insane.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
Throws a good d ball, but again it's just like
he has studs, so it studs.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
You can literally just throw it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Up in it two top five picks.

Speaker 7 (01:47:46):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, Like you throw you throw a
ball up to Carnel Tait and Jeremiah Smith, like a
fifty fifty ball.

Speaker 6 (01:47:52):
It's fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Yeah, it's like eighty twenty.

Speaker 7 (01:47:53):
Yeah, like those those guys are insane. Shout out Ryan
Hartline for recruiting.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
The stat dominators.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Supposed to be Leonora Sellers, DJ Lagway. He got benched
over the weekend. Meyer, he was not got benched.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
What a weird year it's been for quarterbacks. Yeah, like
it was a kid club Nick. He was supposed to
be something special. Yeah, and I haven't really heard about
him at all since who they lose to you early
in the year l s U but somebody else. Yeah,
but this the second loss, when we're like, okay, Clemson's frauds,
it was like kid's been Like now out of the conversation,

(01:48:31):
Nut Meyer, he's got no bleak. He doesn't have a bleak.
Now he's like benched. It's crazy. Diego Pavia, that was
a fun conversation for a week. Now he's seventeenth. He
went off. But I feel like that that conversation's kind
of like gone away.

Speaker 6 (01:48:46):
Is up there?

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Yeah, seventeen quarterbacks.

Speaker 10 (01:48:50):
Okay, I was going I was going to say, I
still think Diego Pobby has a real shot to win
the Heisman if they went out beat Tennessee get into
college football playoff.

Speaker 6 (01:48:58):
I think Poppy has got a real shot to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Win, especially when you get the pavia moments going like yeah,
if they if they win out and he's got the
Paviat moments, he'll very much be in that conversation.

Speaker 10 (01:49:06):
He'll have his Heisman moment if they beat Tennessee when
those other guys don't really have a Heisman moment yet,
but they will play the conference championship against each other.
Mendoza and saying four technically the big ten and the Heisman.
Did I say when I'm taking Vanderbilt money Line versus Tennessee?

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Letting it be known right now, Jack, how'd your Florida
Gators do?

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
This week?

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
We're focused on the next head coach. It was the
worst loss in school history.

Speaker 10 (01:49:35):
To quote Josh Pat, they watched the games in black
and white since the last time Florida was beat that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
But Brian stock Low, Hey, Brian Stocklow.

Speaker 10 (01:49:43):
Lane Kiffin will be the next head coach of the
Florida Gators and Vanderbilt money Line.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
I mean, I don't care what Clump has to say.

Speaker 8 (01:49:53):
His opinion to me is truly that of like a
teenager who doesn't know what breakfast heial he wants to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
You really rounded that out, Jack, because I saw you
like thinking through that insult.

Speaker 8 (01:50:06):
Yeah, I'm not at this point, Tennessee season's over. I mean,
I'm just stoked for Vanny to come in to kneeling
and hear that noise. It's gonna be loud as hell.
People hate Diego, Pavia, Knoxville. It's gonna be loud. And
I'm not saying it's gonna be easy. But Clump texted
our social group me while I was away for a
wedding this weekend. It was the only text I even

(01:50:26):
looked at, and it was Tennessee is gonna lose to
Florida and Vanderbilt.

Speaker 6 (01:50:31):
And I knew he was just saying it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
No, no, there's context, the context.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
I don't want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
I don't want to be on the camera.

Speaker 10 (01:50:41):
Porter posted, uh, Tennessee has a real chance to make
the playoff, and I said, there's no shot Tennessee can
make the playoff.

Speaker 6 (01:50:48):
That's what the discussion was.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Got you got you we do?

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Mitch brought it up Marcel Reed Garrett before we came on.
He was kind of saying that Texas A and M
should be the number one of the team in the country.
My question to you guys, why.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
I mean you're talking about like beating teams bad. I
feel like A and M is beating teams bad. They
beat the ship out of.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Missou closer for a sec? What's that close for a second?

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Okay, second third string quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
I mean okay, but like, but you're talking about like
Ohio State should be blowing people out. They're not really
blowing people out.

Speaker 9 (01:51:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
They also had a close game against Penn State, whose garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Penn State's not going Okay, So who is who is
A and M beat outside of Notre Dame? What do
you mean who's A and M beat outside of Notre Dame.
I'm looking at Auburn. They're not good. Florida is trash.
Arkansas they beat Arkansas by three points. They beat Notre Dame. Yeah,
I sit outside of Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Who's there?

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Who's their best one? They beat Notre Dame by one? Yes,
But so is Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Okay, I'm just telling you my side of the argument.
I think that what they're doing is proving more than
what Ohio State in Indiana's prove.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
I love how Will asked a question. I'm going, here's
your kids have to say? Who the fuck did they
played dunk team.

Speaker 6 (01:52:05):
I don't see nobody. Here's who they're going again.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
Here's what happens. People latch onto the Penn State. Penn
State's a bad football team, like still arguably an incredible roster,
which a lot of these SEC teams have, and they
still end up like laying eggs. Like these teams that
I'm I'm mentioning are like not good. Okay, so people
talk about Ohio State's schedule, Indiana's schedule. It's like, okay, well,
what do you compare?

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Would you compare Penn State's roster in Florida's roster like
in that type of argument.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Yeah, I think I think all these teams are right
off in the SEC at one point time, it's like
this could be a good team because they have good rosters.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
So what was the score for the Penn State Indiana
game right now?

Speaker 6 (01:52:43):
They one score?

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Yeah? Yeah, yeahaha.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
If you're going to compare rosters that way, A and
M beat Florida thirty four to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
They also beat Arkansas by three points. Okay, they almost
got upset by Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Like this conversation will will hear the same thing is
I have one belief and you have.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
The other well, because again, yeah, I'm setting I was
like setting that up because I'm like excited to have
this argument because everybody, everybody want to say a.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Thirty one they're putting up. They beat Notre Dame forty
one to forty.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
At Notre Dame in the year Notre Dame done fumble this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Same points and am should have lost that game. There's
a massive holding on fourth down too, say it again.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Yeah, and I think that they are beating teams at
a larger margin than some of these other undefeated teams.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
I think Ohio State matches up real well against Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
It'll be a great game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Yeah, it would be a fantastic game. I don't think
you can take away Texas at one just because they're
quietly beating everybody. And I think they're covering too Texas
at A and M. No, I'm sorry, Ohio State. You
can't take Ohio State at away at one because they're
just like they beat Texas, which is like their biggest win.
Texas has come back in big way, but that wasn't

(01:54:00):
the team they played a week one. They've just quietly
been doing their thing like their schedule is their schedule.
But they're beating teams, they're covering against teams and they
never seen it. Like they just seem very complete and
they're like onto the next like they seem like they're
stacking blocks as opposed to yea, you know the other
really good teams where it's like, oh shit, are.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
They Nobody has scored over sixteen points against ohioste.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Right, which hasn't happened since twenty thirteen or twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
Fourteen pencety put up fourteen, Perdue put up ten, Wisconsin zero,
Illinois sixteen, Minnesota three, Washington six.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
What are their points? What are Ohio State's points in
those games?

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Hostate?

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
I think so here, I'll rattle it off because they
haven't outside of Ohas State vers Text where they won
fourteen seven, it's been seventy nothing, thirty seven nine, twenty
four to six, forty two to three, thirty four to sixteen,
thirty four to nothing, thirty eight to fourteen, thirty four
to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, they are those teams. They are
the most complete team in college football right now. Yeah, yeah,
seventy And you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Want to know something, I'd love to see him trip
up in the college payoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Whoa buddy, I'm letting you know. This is November twenty ninth.
Oh yeah, perfect game, like running the ball like they
if there's one thing in their defense does not do
extraordinarily well, it's protecting the run. And I'm telling you,

(01:55:32):
if we can get Brian Harley, because I have so
much respect for Brian Hartline like him as an OC,
He's obviously do an incredible job this year. Him as
a recruiter with the wide receivers, like Ohio State is
wide receiver. You know, people want to talk about USU
and all that. It's like you look at recency biased,
all of the best wide receivers in the NFL are
Ohio State guys. He has done amazing. He's got two

(01:55:54):
top five probably two top five top ten picks at
the wide receiver position. Julian stand is playing incredible. But
I'm just telling you, dude. And Arbor Michigan November twenty ninth,
it's it's this is the same two teams as last year,
but Michigan is just a little bit better. Michigan at

(01:56:15):
this point last year was five and four. We're seven
to two. We I think we're gonna stream it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
Hey all to say, love, arguing, love all. That's what
makes this sport insane. I would love to see Ohio
State trip up against Michigan. I'd love to see Indiana
go undefeated in the Big Ten championship. I'd love to
see Ohio State whoop Indiana to where all the conversations
against the Big Ten. Maybe A and M goes undefeated.

(01:56:42):
May A and M makes it goes all the way
to the championship, and then they just somehow lose to
a rematch versus Notre Dame. Then the Independence School, the
Independent School, Notre Dame takes everybody down to where you know,
the SEC hasn't the Big Ten. You know they played nobody.
Ohill State lost to Michigan. Dude, oh I'll State blew
out Indiana. We know Indiana was overrated there, nobody's now
we're in the college football.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
Meanwhile, me while we're sitting here talking about two conferences,
the Big Ten and the SEC, Texas Tech Joy McGwire, Yeah, yeah,
we could just be sitting and be like, hey, SEC's matter,
no Big techs man and Texas chech just fucking runs
through people. In the month of January, Texas Tech Notre
Dame in the championship.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Big twelve in Texas Tech. That's the winner.

Speaker 6 (01:57:21):
I would love to see that.

Speaker 7 (01:57:23):
Texas defense is real, nasty, bro. I think they're like
top three, top five and like points liber game I think.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
And last year, Bro, they were like in the one twenties.

Speaker 6 (01:57:34):
They're unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
I love and they're getting on the bus right too.
They're gonna keep really because I love the idea of
Texas Tech just.

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
Winnings in the best spot right watching Chaos and two, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
The best spot. And also Buddy like just to bring
it back to the Big Ten a little bit. Everyone
and their mother has been like Oregon, we're done with them.
Since they lost Indiana. Everyone's kind of like, ah, you know,
we'll see if they get in the playoff, see if
they don't. Like maybe Dan Lanny has us exactly where
he wants us, because last year they're flying high, right,
they beat the brakes off of Penn State. The Big

(01:58:08):
Ten championship is really just a shootout. But you know
what I'm saying, Everyone's like, this is the team this
and then all of a sudden, a pissed off Ohio
State team just comes and runs through everybody but the Ducks.
Baby I'm the Ducks and also the Dogs bringing the
go back to the SEC. Dogs don't care about your feelings.
They really don't. And they just are quietly winning games

(01:58:29):
and being a top five team and like kind of
covering they covered this past weekend then not covering. But
it's like Kirby Smart does not give a shit He's
gonna be in the SEC Championship against Alabama. Oh fuck,
you're right. I just keep forgetting about A and M.

Speaker 7 (01:58:44):
Did you watch the Oregon Iowa?

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Yeah, I watched. I watched the second half of it.
I was at David Busters with five kids by myself.

Speaker 6 (01:58:50):
Iowa.

Speaker 7 (01:58:51):
I think I think Iowa has it was awesome. Iowa
like their rush defense was like top ten as it
normally is, Like they allowed like ninety yards per game.
I think Oregon rushed for like two hundred yards. They
have like a four headed monster in the running back room,
like they they can like beat whoever.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Dud Peyton said it like Oregon. Everyone thinks it's like
a high flying offense. They averaged six point seven yards
per carry on the ground and it was what forty
two degrees rainy?

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
They beat Iowa at Iowa football, Yes, and it couldn't
have started any better a safety two to nothing right
out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Then and then they would go up with a minute
twenty left in the game, and then it's like, fuck
it done, crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
I was praying for just fourth quarter, it's two to nothing,
Iowa kicks a field goal. Then Oregon goes down and
kicks a game winning field goal to win five.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
Also like that Steelers Chargers game.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
US, Where did Oregon end up on the AP this week?
Because the eight people didn't have Ioway in the top
twenty five last week, so I'm sure they don't see
it as like a quality whatsoever.

Speaker 7 (01:59:59):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Oregon seven, they dropped one spot.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Yeah, I think you could flip miss flip Oregon.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
But oh missus quiet. Everyone's like the hood coach is
leaving and they're just nine and one sitting there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
We have a huge one this weekend. I do think
it's ahead, but it could shake things up.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Who does it Bama got this week?

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
Oklahoma?

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Yeah, because Olahoma's just kind of sitting there a bubble team.
They're talking about them.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Yeah, but as Oklahoma kind of like Missouri were like
just begging to stay in the playoff conversation. And then
it abruptly comes to a halt.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
I thought so until they went up to Tennessee and
we all we all watched that game and it was like,
what the hell is going on here? Dram tier like
the nest. They need better offense, but like, I don't
see it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
Getting more dude, that that injury, I do not see
it getting more.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
Before. Yeah, Florida and Mississippi State don't sleep, don't sleep,
don't see on the rebels.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
And I'm telling dude, that Florida game right there is
a scary one. It shouldn't be scary, but that's when
it gets scary.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Florida is dead freshmen.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Florida is the penn state of the SEC outstanding roster.
Can't put it together. Yeah, down their quarterback?

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Hey Bama two on that g Like yeah, it's like
ty Simpson is gonna have to be connecting with these
explosive plays. He had a couple where he's just missing.
And since Bama can't run the football that well like Oklahoma,
I feel like we'll kind of eat that up and
it comes down to it. It's it feels like a
matchup like Tennessee Oklahoma, where you guys can throw the
ball Well.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
The one thing I like, though, is our defense is
playing their best football right now. Yeah, Like they're flying
around turnovers like that. We didn't have turnovers last year
at all. We had two maybe three this game, but
we turned the ball over in positive territory and only
come out with three. Yeah, So it's like putting that away.

(02:02:07):
Putting that away. Scoring with twenty seconds left in the
first half the last three games is the best feeling.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Yeah, sending that team.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
To the locker room like, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
All right, what do we think is going to happen
in the Big twelve? Who you think is gonna be
in the Big twelve Championship?

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Like, right now, I know we have I think I
think we have watched that game this weekend week?

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
Do you think so? You think by he takes down Cincinnati?

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Yeah? I do what.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
That?

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
No, I'm I'm not saying he doesn't he doesn't need
any Yeah, I don't need anymore. It's just more like
Cincinnati has been a good team. They've kind of been
fun to watch and see what.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
Yeah, b y you Cincinnati YU drops to Cincinnati? Does
that put Utah in the Big Big twelve Championshipnati.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Oh, We've only lost one one conference game, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
And quietless. So Utah is just gonna be in the
Big is gonna be in the playoff?

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
Help Utah last week?

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
There?

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
Well, Utah might need help, but they're gonna be again.
It's like they could finish. They'll finish ten and two
and they'll just be sitting there Prime College Football Playoff conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
And IF yeah for CF because you got IF. You're
gonna have Oregon, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan in there, and
the and the Big Ten and the SEC. You're gonna
have A and M, Alabama, Georgia, oh miss.

Speaker 6 (02:03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
Is there any more that I need to be thinking of?

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
Oklahoma's currently ranked twelve?

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Yeah, but they're currently ranked twelve, I must this is
me assuming they dropped to Alabama, So that would be
the four right there. So that's a ACC is gonna
get one. So now it's nine like G five, G five,
And then you're gonna have two spots for the Big
twelve lost Memphis lost.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
You'll have one. You'll have one the Big Twelve championship.
The Big Twelve champion will get in. Then it'll be
like one one other.

Speaker 7 (02:04:01):
Well, here here's the here's a situation.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
Notre Dame will be in. So that's if Big ten
and SEC get four in, which I don't think will happen.

Speaker 7 (02:04:09):
What if like since he beats b y U and
then since he beats Texas Tech in the Big twelve championship, Dude,
Like I feel like both though obviously Cincinnati will get
an automatic berth Like, you're not gonna leave Texas Tech out?

Speaker 4 (02:04:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
I yeah, I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
And who was saying that the committee the committee keeps
keeps the championship like, doesn't put a lot of weight
in the championship games?

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
Corrects?

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Right, you get the automatical if somebody guess their breaks
blown off, I think that they could. If you could,
if you yeah, if they are two loss teams, which
the only game.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
I see that happening is possibly Indian Oha State.

Speaker 1 (02:04:45):
But Indiana is undefeated and they still get in. Yeah,
if they're one lost team, they that's where it's like
they won't get punished for getting blown out in the
Big Ten championships here. Excellent, all right, that is our
college football talk. Hey, hell of a week, Locker over week,
locker room will be coming out or bus with the
boys will be coming out tomorrow with Kay Adams and

(02:05:06):
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on Thursday, inside the bus Friday, Let's have a week boys.
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