Francis Ellis | Beating Cancel Culture & Finding Comedic Tone At Barstool + NFL Playoff Review - Bussin' With The Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Alright, we're good.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You like busting with the boys, hanging with the best
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
We're here just drinking beer and making that baby.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm hanging with the Fellers, Busting with the boys.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Bro, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the episode of Busting
with the Boys, Episode three eleven, Preten three ten, dude,
three ten. We have a lot to look forward to
today on this show. We have Francis Ellis with us,
very long episode and then who knows how long this
is inter just gonna go. As we're speaking right now,

(01:01):
Black Monday's going on. Some coaches have already been fired. Obviously,
we live in Nashville, Tennessee, so there'll be some conversation
around the Tennessee Titans where they gonn do with the
first pick? Will Levis. Who's the issue? Who's the problem?
Is the GM is the head coach?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Maybe Amy Adamstunk, who still lives with Houston, she's the problem.
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are going to start. Teams are disappointed weren't run a plus.
I'm gonna go back to JV.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Hofey before we get into that.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
If you are a barstool surviving fan, there is spoilers
of tonight's episode, So I just wanted to put.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
That out their fair fair point.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
As you're listening, there are spoilers of Monday night's episode,
so just be cautious in this Francis episode spoilers.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Maybe we can do that too in the end place,
we have some alarms shounting off. Just put spoilers around
our faces.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Before we get into the NFL. Is that where we
were going to j JP four, That's what I was.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Well, I saw JP trying to talk and I was
trying to bring out my thought, and I was like,
I'm gonna bring JP in after.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Should we go college football?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Let's go college first. Let's go college.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And for everybody curious that follows along and watches the
locker room as well, we will be hat We will
be dropping the college football Playoff preview four yesterday tonight
on Tuesday, that drops at six pm. And then our
NFL playoffs, our wildcard weekend that will drop tomorrow morning
on Wednesday at six am. So that is how we're

(03:10):
separating the locker room this week. A lot of awesome games,
we got all the best teams, we get to talk
about all the best teams. Now playoff picture in the
NFL started out.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
The National Championships on Monday. Are we going to include
that or how are.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
We going to do that? No? National Championships on like
January twenty eleven, Yeah, the next weekend.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
You're right, there's still around. I know it's there are
so many teams out there.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeaheah, that's true. All right, Yeah, good talk. Yeah, do
we want to talk about did we touch on Michigan Alabama?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Ge?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
We touch on the ball? We touch about it?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, wild series of against really quest but I'm sure
if you tuned in you probably did. Unless you're an
Alabama or a Michigan fan. The first half of that
quarter was just fucking crazy, drunk drunk, raining down God,
just raining down the missiles of rain. And well, you said,
four plays, three turnovers in four plays.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, they put a stat on the screen that was
like Alabama's starting drive starts on their own twenty five
Michigan starting drives opponents twenty first yard line.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, just crazy, And it shows how bad Michigan's offense
is the entire year, because we got the ball in
the red zone on three separate occasions based on turnovers,
and we came away with nine points.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
So game could have got away in a hurry.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Alabama, a lot of guys sat out Michigan, a lot
of guys sat out, a lot of transfers from Alabama,
a lot of transfers from Michigan. So we said, we
thought the Jaln Millroe was gonna be the deciding factor
in this game.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
And he was.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
He was a deciding factor in this game. He just
didn't play well. It was tough for him. My heart
goes out to him because you wanted to have a great,
long career. He hurt himself more than helped the l
himself in a situation.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now the positive, the positive is bold as bad of
a season as Michigan had. You guys ended on the
best note of any team in college football. People.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
I will made the best three win team in collegeable
history a couple of years ago, and there there was
an argument to that. So not an argument, okay, right,
And so now here I go because I've thought about
it a little bit too, and I've actually dug.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
A little deep on I was gonna tea five lost teams.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Michigan is the only team since nineteen ninety one to
be unranked and defeat two top fifteen teams consecutive weeks,
them and the University of Arizona. So there's a little
smidget right there. I'll dive a little deeper in. But
you look at our points per game, our points, it's
just bad all around. But just find a way to win.

(05:35):
Find a way to win those last two three weeks.
And dude, I don't want to be that guy, but
they started clicking when I spoke to the team. I
don't know what I said. They're three and oh, they're
three and oh they've covered the spread every single time
since I've spoke to that team. What you say to him, Doug,
So obviously public speaking is not an issue.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of memories after this one, boys.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, but I literally got up there and I basically
told them, thank you, thank you for putting back the
culture of Michigan that people look at the team teams
I played for. We were terrible, so I never got
to see what like the culture of Michigan, the amazing blue,
like the Michigan men mentality. You guys are that regardless
of what your record reflects. And just told them to
be present, be present, And those boys been fucking present,

(06:21):
been present. So shout out Michigan. Dude, r I p
the SEC.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Your tough loss for Bama, tough loss for South Carolina.
It was it was uh not the original showing that
the SEC usually does in bowl games. They don't matter now.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
That it's not about not mattering. What mattered. What's happening
now is there's an equalizer between all the other conferences
and the SEC. SEC used to pay their players. Now
everybody else can also pay their players. Everyone's getting figured out.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
You watch the way them Huskers celebrated the Pinstripe Bowl,
and you tell me that that game doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Yeah, it matters by.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
One of the prancing around listen't think it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Mattered to Illinois beating the South Carolina game cock scene,
no matter how many guys sat out, you're gonna you're gonna, actually,
in your brain think that that uniform didn't show up
excited to play. You saw Shane Beamer ready to fucking
throw bows, which I absolutely love, love, I love Beilma
doing the little taunt thing. I love Shane Beemer just
getting chaos like I loved that Bowl game. I love
watching that Bowl game those river South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, no question. But Beemer better be careful because a
couple of years from now. Hold he might belam. Hold
they look a little too similar. Can put a little
that weight on that coaching. Waight now he's fit, Now
he can lose it. How do you look at Shane
Beemer's body? You think he could turn into Brett Beilama.
I saw have him Mike rabels As twenty eighteen. He

(07:43):
came in a little static Brett Beelm's huey goueie body
after you. I'm just saying, word of caution, Coach Beemer,
keep it tight, brother, because those calories get away from
you fast when coaching gets stressful.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You see Bei Lama, he will see what he's dealing with.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
He will never have to walk back across the field
at the pay step. Brett Beelman was walking back. My
boy was out of breath just from hitting this one
on him, and it took a slow walk back. Ref
could have give him a delay a game.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
And it's just a word of caution. It's just a
word of caution. That being said, though, all these are
the schools being able to pay. Now you see a
changing at the tide. You see it kind of happening.
Go ahead, sir, question ahead.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
And this one's the JP. Why was Ole miss clowning
Shane Biemer? I didn't understand.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That that was Juice Wells, wasn't it. So Juice Wells
came from South Carolina, but I thought he had a
solid relationship. Yeah, Juice is the show went.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
I don't know what's going on with him, bro, I.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Mean he went villa mode that one.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, Like Shane Biemer said something midyear after we beat
somebody and was like, you know, we had some guys
they said that they didn't believe we had a quarterback
and they didn't want to play with them, and so
we're seeing how that's going right now. So that was
like the dig and then Juice Wells catches like his
sixth pass of the year in the bowl game. We
would have made Juice well as a top two round pick.

(09:03):
Now he might go undrafted, which is tough for him.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
It sounds like somebody's getting a sleeper in the draft.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
Then they could be.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
It depends. He dropped a lot of balls this year
and I want him to do well. Like a lot
of South Carolina fans hate him to the death, but
I mean I want him to do well, dude.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
We will get to the draft in a little bit. Obviously,
our beloved Tennessee Titans have the first overall pick, and
we live in Nashville, Tennessee. We'll give him a reclass
for that.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Shout out the Patriots, Shout out the Patriots taking care
of business against the Bills yesterday.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
But dude, these last playoffs were nuts. I mean, quickly, man,
let's get a moment of silence for the Oregon Ducks.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I love you Dan, Love you Dan. That was crazy.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
That's Michigan's fault. I mean, they woke up a fucking giant. Yeah,
that is wild. They are incredible, reredible that bankroll did
show up.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Now that freshman bro, bro. But listen, how an alien.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
How many times have you seen guys that are freshman
phenoms lose draft status because they get into this Like
when we watch a Lebron James or Patrick Mahomes or
Tom Brady and we see them play so well for
so long, we get like this, we kind of get
callous to the idea of how great these guys are.
And I feel like that window is so much shorter
in college, Like this kid's having an insane freshman season.

(10:28):
This is might be a hot take if you're so
good at a freshman. We were like, this kid is
the top wide receiver in this draft class. He's a
top ten pick right now, why not sit out the
next two years and just say fuck it?

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Two years is a long time.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
So Chase was it, Jamar Chase did it for one year.
But Johnny Manziel good good example. He goes in, he
wins the Heisman as a freshman. Those last couple of
years haven't hurt them a little bit. And if the
thirty first pick in the draft, maybe he's not.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
I think the way Jeremiah Smith is built is like
he's built to last. And that dude, I mean he is.
He does not look like an eighteen year old that
at all.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
He's a man.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
And the balls he's catching is like it's not gonna
be like a lack of Yeah, like it's not gonna
be a lack of.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Right, he's fighting that ball, he's a heats that he
missile for that ball.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
He's incredible. You're saying sit out the next two years
just to protect himself.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
So he goes no, It's more it's more of like
a haha take, but like, yeah, he he could probably
he could probably sit out the next two years, he'll
still be a first round draft pick.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's basically what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, like I you, I mean, you play next year,
you think about that the following year if you if
you do the same thing as you did, and you
look at the team, maybe coming back and like saying it,
but I mean he is NFL ready wide receiver one
right now.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah on an NFL team. Incredible And they just beat
the brakes off the ducks.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Man, like before it even starts.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I felt for him. Thirty thirty four to nothing.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
The game was over at the coin flip, they just
said they at that look in their eye.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Man, I'm telling you, all those teams that got to
play the week before I think helped them out. Now,
obviously Ohio State had to uh I think. I was
talking with Tate, He's like, I mean Ohio State had
to sit out like however many weeks before. But I'm
sud there thinking, I'm like that that is true. You
guys had to sit out that long. But losing to Michigan,

(12:21):
and as loud and as crazy as that moment was
for them, like they were just they were so pissed off,
they were so dialed in and focused. I'm not saying
Oregon wasn't, but they're just salivating. They're salivating to right
that wrong because they've had to wait for weeks and
they're preparing like and again, I say that, and you
almost have to assume that Oregan wasn't. I'm not saying that.
I'm just I feel like the type of motivation that

(12:44):
Ohio State had and to get whatever rust they might
have had against an Indiana football or not Indiana Tennessee
beating Tennessee like you kind of right, right, you get
Tennessee fans, you get a game in against Tennessee before
you go and play Oregon. The closest one is Arizona State, Texas.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Arizona State should be playing this week.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Now, you don't know, I that should have been a
targeting penalty. They should have gotten into the opponent territory.
Who knows if they would have moved the ball anymore,
and that kicker probably would have missed the fel.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Probably would have missed Feld. You're right, Yeah, there's a
lot of what ifs.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
There there are there are what is but that should have, definitely,
without any doubt, should have been a targeting penalty.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Without Yeah, in the world we live in now, that
is one thousand percent like a textbook targeting penalty. Hell
with a helmet and he's you know, can't protect it,
and it's a textbook no call.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
With a team like Texas.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Counter Stallion's kind of take on it, like there should
be a tiered system of targeting, Like basically, yeah, I
like that, like a five to five yard I didn't
mean to We did make contact in the head, like.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Kind of like running into the kicker versus roughing the kicker, right, yeah, no,
I did. I like that.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
It makes me a little nervous when you start to
add these gray areas in these in these rules, because
there is already so much of a human element to
them to make a judgment call right there, right then
and there.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
But by doing that, does that remove a ref's judgment,
Like you at least have three chances.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
And so you know it's you know, it's targeting.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
But then you get into the world of like, okay,
is it tier one or tier two or is it
tier two or tier three? And now you go back
and forth and those extra five yards or whatever it
is the you know, kick him out of the game.
That's such a big deal at that point. So what
are we talking about this because that's what tier is
that the highest heier is.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
He would give it a like make it a five
yard penalty. Guy stays in the game.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
And the kid doesn't get kicked out. That's the thing.
If it's targeting, the kid also gets kicked out. Like
the penalties are so expering. It's like NBA, you got
flagrant one, flagrant two and the uh the example of
Arizona State the week before that number seven who put
that liquor that could have just been a five year
old penalty to where you don't give him fifte yards
and kick him out of the game or kick him
out of the first first half of the next because
that was that was under the chain safety first. Did

(15:00):
you see that his number seven if you're watching it
was number seven who got the safety on Texas. That
was his first play back in the game.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
No shit, Yeah, Shamari Simmons and he was the only
one that could lock down Golden is that name?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah? Yeah? I mean, dude, that so fun.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
That game was awesome to watch, and Will brought a
good point in Chicago when we were talking about is
Texas didn't move the ball at all other than the
couple explosive plays ahead one on special teams, yeah, and
then that run. Other than that, ASU's defense handled business
the entire game. And ASU's offense, although they weren't coming
with points on the board because if they had an
adequate kicker, they actually run away with that game in

(15:38):
a sense because they're in the red zone in the
territory to kick so many times. They are moving the
ball twenty five to twenty five on a consistent basis.
The top in that game was wild.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
Can I get on soapbox for the Big twelve for
like ten seconds? Yeah, I just want to say everybody saying, oh,
Arizona States defense is only good because they blitz every play.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
They blitz every play.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
They're not that physical, don't have grit like you know
Big ten or sec A. SU came to play and
I was State came to play against Miami too. I mean,
the Big twelve has good, gritty, strong defenses. It's not
just the high flying offenses of old of the Big Twelve.
It's a lot of programs that really have good running.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Games, like a SU, like a Texas Tech.

Speaker 7 (16:24):
They had trouble later in the season, but I just
wanted to get that out there. Baylor played great against
l C. I was happy with that performance.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
They lost, but came back a little bit.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Yeah, what's your what do you.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Say, like ASU, what was the point of the they're gritty?
Where did Texas come from? Where did Texas come from?
Twelve even matchup?

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Yeah, but Texas played in the SEC championship this year.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think what you're getting big.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Needs to be looked at a little more higher regard. Okay,
that's we we'll take that.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, agree with the A and eleven in bowl games? Yeah?
Not good brutal?

Speaker 4 (17:13):
I mean yeah, if you were, let's actually quickly go
through and just tier the conferences real quick. I think
it will be pretty consistent on board. Top three tiers
would be big, ten than.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
The SEC then twelve. Yeah right, I don't think I
mean that is that?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Do we even anybody arguing that at all?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
No? I don't think arguing on that.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
To Yeah, the ACC's record something. I do think that
could happen for the bowl games to incentivize it more.
Since everybody is getting paid, it should be if you
win this game, that bowl pays your team, So like
every kid gets.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Five races like a playoff bonus.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that could make it electric
even in these other Bowl games.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, but listen, if you got a kid that's gonna
go to the NFL, you need a little more of
incent up.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Than five thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I mean, not getting stars get fifty.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah it get some money. You have to put fifty
across the board for everybody.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, which would be a lot for one hundred and
five guys on a football team.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, interesting, that's a good thou like.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Uh, like, what does basketball do they have like the
March Madness actual bracket to win it all and they
have another bracket.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
To have that?

Speaker 5 (18:20):
I that would.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think it would.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Because if then you would have a Nebraska movie forward,
a Michigan movie forward, if there'd be Will and Ies dialogue,
you'd have these other other teams being able to do
a bunch of that would be fun.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
I don't think Will confident Lawan's dialogue carry.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah. Yeah, forgive it time, bro, give you time because
I love you. Threw that in there, like we're gonna
move the needle. Yeah yeah, come on now, I'm telling you,
let's do a quick prediction.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
We'll go to the NFL. Yeah, or do you want
to wait for locker room?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Definitely pretty Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I guess Penn Stale look good.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
I mean, Notre Dame look good.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I think Texas will put up a better fight. I
think Texas will put up a better fight than people
are anticipating. With Ohio State, they have to know they
have like the best pass defense like in the country,
and their defense that been don't break mentality. Offense has
got to figure it out and move the ball a
little bit more because Ohio State can get up on them.
But I think that they're going to compete a lot
more than people are anticipating because Ohia steaks now had

(19:22):
two blowouts, so there's no reason to think Ohio State's
not just gonna walk through this game.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Quinn ewers too, like, I mean, I know, yeah, people
want to say what they want to say about him,
but that was ice cold at the end of air.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Did you see that the dude the ball kind of
hit the ground on that touchdown pass? Yeah? I was
seeing that. Yeah, that the play. Yeah, the fourth thirteen
that Texas caught, he catched it in the back half
of the ball like in one of the frames that
goes down and touches the ground as he gathers it
back in his body. I was gonna say, and they
don't even they didn't even look at it right now

(19:59):
against the s U that field goal bounce for Texas.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think you saw the field goal bounced in after
it got tipped.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Are two points right?

Speaker 5 (20:10):
So I mean obviously they counted as nothing, but and
they're trying to figure out what does the rule mean.
I don't know what do y'all think it should mean.
I personally think if it bounces in, that'll be awesome
if it counted. But if it bounces in like it
hit the ground, it gets tipped like in the game,
Texas tipped it, it bounced and it went in through
the goalposts.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Isn't that what is trying to argue right now?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, they appealed it. They appealed it. And look, I know,
shout out Dealey for taking full accountability and kind of
breaking this play down, But bro, I just what do
you do? Cover zero?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Like you can't let anybody get in front of you.
You play the sticks, You play the sticks. You don't
let anything behind you.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
And hey, yeah, if you think you see a you
saw it hit the ground sherif's in there.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
That is crazy because I would love to see Asu
playing right now. I love to see.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
You got dudes like Brandon Walker out there talking about
Cam Scattabow. Isn't that good?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's just Crazyqueen that.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Mid game bro ninety nine yards receiving, we got forty
six yard pass, one hundred and forty yards rushing.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The kid came to play man.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
And the thing that's sick is I want to pull
up if we can find this a comparing contrast of Quinn.
You were stats in that game and Sam Levitt's because
Sam Levitt was talking crazy pregame. I'm the best quarterback.
I'm gonna show wanting the best quarterback, and Scatibo is
essentially like I should have been. I'm the best running
back in all of college football and they're gonna find
out and he you walk away. You look at Scatabo's

(21:46):
stats and you're like, goddamn, I mean he might be.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
And they just I mean, that line just could not protect.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Could not protect. It was tough to watch, but uh,
I mean yeah, yeah, I mean Quinn played better having that,
having that, but are inflated because of overtime. It's crazy,
who's it who talking about g.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Yours because that nobody in Texas wants him to be
the quarterback. And you know he knows.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
That, which is wild, I know.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
And then to make that throw. I know in his
head he's probably thinking, screw all of y'all, and wat's
what I do against Ohio State is probably what's going
through his head.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Hopefully. I just on that last play defensively, just talking
about that to me, if you want to go zero,
yeah you need to go you need to go true zero,
or in my opinion, you play coverage, but you can't
do the whole simulation Cover zero play into a cover four,
Like you either got to go all out, have one
extra guy getting into the quarterback so he as to
throw it right now, or you have to stay back

(22:46):
and play coverage because right here you go to that
back view of that last play, I mean, yeah, you
got seven up stop, they send six and they have
six guys to block, you know what I mean, Like,
you're not running true cover zero right there. You've got
to bring one extra guy because he honestly could even

(23:07):
hit the deep out route on this fourth and thirteen
two because the dude, beat his leverage to the outside.
Look at this uh Nickel down here, boo, keep going
even he gets open.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah yeah, I've never been a huge fan of send
the house in a critical game situation.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Not fourth and thirteen. You're thinking like fourth, like in
six seven, keep.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Everything in front of you getting tackled.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
The way your guys cann have blitz feet. Yeah, like
he can't really have blitz feet when they got enough
to pick up everybody because you're bailing.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, yeah, you're you gotta bail and play catch up
versus all these guys running their routes. You feel bad
for that safety. I love the fact that Dillingham came
and you know, owned it not once but twice, But
I don't I'm personally not a fan.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Of that play because I think Dilly said the safety
has to pick up anything intermediate. So he ends up
trying to dive down and chase that out route versus
staying deep in a true cover four because that out
that out that corner post that he gets, he gets
hit on the safety in the middle of the field,
basically vacates the middle of the field to go try
to dive on that deep out right and you're right too.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
If you're gonna you have to bring more than six,
like you've got to get home in the situations, have
him throw off his back foot.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Obviously quarterback is easy to play. But that's just go
to the play coverage.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Beginning right before the snappits I hate this little line.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
What's his line down right now?

Speaker 4 (24:32):
There's showing I mean, yeah, yeah, you have ammo yeah,
and then that guy in the far left he drops out.
But the problem is like that three technique.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
First, Oh, Arizona State senting six right here, Texas has
got seven and they're in max pro. Oh yeahs H
two H three.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
I I don't like if I if you're going to
send a max protection, you need to like overemphasize one gap.
So I originally thought this was an avalanche, but it's
avalanche is three up the middle, and you either get
there with emotion and then the guy come the guy
who goes in most of him and then comes in,
or you just have a guy kind of sitting four
yards behind and bring him up. When you have that
many up the middle and you have three of the middle,

(25:13):
you now you essentially unless your gap scheme blocking, you're
not You're not able to pick that up because the
backs can get there. That's when feet get in the way.
Some people trip over, and that's when you get into
the quarterbacks lap. But if you're doing this type of
Ammo blitz, which is just two a gaps up the
middle and dropping a guy into his zone, the left
tackle is one of the most important people in this thing.
And this is this kid's a first round pick. As

(25:35):
soon as he sees his guy drop, which that end
does a bad job of like showing that he's gonna
come and then drops, he needs to now start screaming
to his left guard to bump everything back, because you
have to assume there's more numbers the opposite way than
you if there's a blitz going away from you.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
So if this guy right here, yeah, you're saying, send
him through this gap that is going to be produced
by the left tackle.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
No, I mean the blitz. They're in a seven up. Look,
if they brought all of them that you're in like
a true zero this one, I would have maybe had
like a.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Personal outside guys.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
I would have yeah, yeah, I would have. I would
have personally liked to see another guy up the middle.
You're only gonna bring six.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
This right here, and this, you would send those two.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
On and then have like what would just like a
bracket type of defense in the back end.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, I mean you're playing cover zero. Yeah, you're playing
a true cover zero.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
You're just you're basically like, hey, guys, hold up in
front of you as much as pustle, keep everything in
front of you, and pray to God that rush gets home.
And if you bring it, it's getting home. He's got
to throw it as fast as possible. Sometimes before these
guys can get other break, he might have to try
to hit this checkdown and then it's a gang tackle
vice tackle situation. But I mean ifans or butts, dude.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Great game, phenomenal game game.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
And we're going back and forth on those bets, being
like do we do we cash out? Like my bet
was sitting at like sixteen, but I couldn't do It
would have been sick to my stomach if if I
would as one. And then you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You got to write that out, have to write Yeah,
you have to ride that out. We'll talk about we'll
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a good game. I think so too. You don't think so?

(28:09):
You think so? You think Georgia was that bad JP?

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Uh, Yeah, I do, and I Notre Dame. I mean
Riley Leonard, Like, I feel like he's got to be
one of the easier quarterbacks to game plan four. He
had ninety pass yards eighty rush yards. That's not great,
and I don't think you can win a championship with
a quarterback that's kind of consistently.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
They run the ball well. But Penn State, to your point,
is a very good defensive run.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Tea right, and then I think they run it better.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, yeah, like with Singleton and who's the other Allen.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Right, Drew Allery. Yeah so I think. I mean, Notre
Dame has surprised people, but I think Penn State I
would not be surprised if they wipe them.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean they surprised people too because of this coaching
ability from the staff with Freeman down, like some of
these play calls that go when they went for it
on fourth down when they had the punt him out
there and then they sprint it off the field on
the offense.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
That love Freeman, Like, I want to see him do well, but.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Did he win Coach of the Year? I thought they
said he won.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't think he won Coach of the year.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
That during the game they were talking about Coach of
the Year. I don't know if he won it or
he was just like part of the favorite.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
To win it.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
The most handsome man of the year.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
He a handsome boy.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
He's a handsome boy, for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Apparently you're not allowed to sub all eleven at once
like that you should, like you need to be able
to have because Kirby Smart was really pissed about it
and said something about it an oppressor, about how that's
not allowed and you need to like that's I think
that's when you're supposed to get the cross about being

(29:43):
able to give the defense to sub.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, well yeah, usually they do that in regular offensive
players anyway, right when they change personnel. The guy stands
there and they have to like let him sub out
and you are jogging off the field slow.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know what happened with this one, but I
just I just remember seeing that Kirby was super piss worked.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I like I like the idea of like it's obviously,
uh it hurts the defense, but like when subs are
happening Like that is where true coaching comes and play,
like having your guys ready and a wear at all times, like, hey,
they're an eleven right now, but if they go twelve,
we have to go to the base.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So we're gonna throw these guys out.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Be on your just be ready, ultimate communication, ultimate team
game type of mentality that shit fires me up the
game within the game type stuff. But to go back
to Penn State, Oh, who's you know? I think the
most competitive national championship is Penn State Ohiose State.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, based on how it's played out right now.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Basic and their and their last time they played. Yeah,
and you say, like it's hard to beat a team
two times a row. It was proved with Oregon. And
if Penn State on that birth and one or whatever
it is, they get that they beat Ohiose State.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I mean tip of the cap to Ohio State. Man,
they have taken all that noise and said fuck you.
That is impressive, very impressive. And with the give me Texas.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
What was disappointing to at the Notre Dame Georgia game,
like Georgia defensively, like they tackled so poorly on the edge.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Man, which is insane because you watch them against Texas
in the in the first game against Texas or the
SEC championed like the tackling is there.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, there's like plays are there to be made, and
they were just not tackling well on the perimeter.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Maybe they saw like Stockton wasn't the guy and they
just kind of knew, like we don't have.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
The team to kind of get done and running the
ball well in the perimeter or while House they did
a hell of a job doing it against Oregon, they
could not stop that handback play, no, which is crazy.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah, you were kind of explaining a little bit how
it's difficult for linebackers because to me, when we do handbacks,
like this is the same play in no way this
is affecting the defense. But you were explain to why
that's more difficult for.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
On the handback. As a backer, you're stepping with the
motion of the of the running back. When the line
and the running backs going the same way, you're getting
sucked in to kind of like say, say the handback
is starting to go left, you're like sucking in going
to the left at first, and when they bended back
around where Ohio State was really successful doing that. A
lot of teams you do it with like a tight
end or a full back, so you'll start one way

(32:03):
in the lead I and then bend it back the
other way, so the full back or the tight end,
that motion or wrap will take you to your run fit.
It's a lot harder to see when you're doing it
off of a jet sweep. Ohio State was doing a
great job of it with the receiver getting to the
edge and so the backs like stepping toward the receiver
receivers coming background or on a jet suite coming back
to the edge on the other side. So it was

(32:25):
making it really difficult. And with the momentum going that way,
that like left side of the line of scrimmage was
doing a great job, but just kind of walling it off,
like there was no disruption by the Orgon ducks. So
I thought they were torching them on that bend back play.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, it seemed like they just really didn't. I mean,
it's unfortunate because you love Dani, you love the pregame speeches,
all that just didn't feel like Oregon really came to play,
were they, Which I don't know how you don't after
you watch the Tennessee film. You put that film on,
you're like, boys, this is a different team right now
in the October and with.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
The rap too, when you're playing gapped out, you're you're
in your head like when the back step in and
everything's kind of decided. You're trying to aggressively press your
gap versus on a handback, the only guy who can
make the play whoever is responsible for the edge. So
when you get that wrap happen late and the guys
on the edge you got basically a one on one
time because you're trying to press the A gap or

(33:14):
the B gap hard versus like you almost you need
the second level to feel it and get to the outside.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
So if you're game planning that handback that it's same
look that Ohio State was doing multiple times.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Do you bring a safety down?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:26):
I mean, or do you tell your linebackers to be
a little bit loose and flow at the play?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah? Yeah. It's such a game plan thing that you're
gonna have to rep in practice to where if you're
trying to cheat it with two shell and having a
safety come down late or just backer kind of keeping
their death Like hey, don't let this. Don't let the
run game decide within the first step of the running back.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I can't imagine if you're a defense and you're watching
Ohio States through the air, offense being like, we're going
to bring a safety down in the box now to
stop the run game, Like you're you're I mean they
are operating right now.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, absolutely operating. And it was a fun year for
Boise State. But they didn't get whooped. Yeah what they
hold gentry to.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
They didn't get whooped. If you look at the stats
that Boise State outstat at Penn State, they had more
total yards, did better, had more first downs like Pence
the boys stay had two turnovers, and that's what allowed
Penn State to square.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, I mean that's the game, right.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
No, I'm saying Pence or Boise State did a hell
of a lot better than the Like then what the
score looks like and what like all the pundits and stuff, So.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
You're saying, turn the film, don't don't get the score,
turn the film.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Boise State, Like, yeah, they Jenz had like one hundred
and six yards on like thirty carries. So I mean,
he's the best running back in the country. He's bound
to get his But like Maddox Madison played really good,
Like Boisse State held their own a little bit against
k Yeah yeah, one or two fumbles, but again like
that is the game.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
But because Pince they got out on him quick.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, but they were up like fourteen nothing. But then
Bois State kind of like they were going back and
forth for a driver too. And thenviously the turnovers came and.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Just right because boys is a team that's built to
give Gentry the ball thirty times, but he's going to
try and get one forty one sixty right, Like Penn
State's defense at the hell of a job shut him down.
And what you can see, too, is all the glimpses
of gent like he's going to be a monster in
the league because even like he's getting hit and tackled,
like all eleven hats are getting to the football, but
it's taking all eleven to bring this fucking man down. Bro. Yeah, Bro,

(35:26):
he's an incredible running back, dude, incredible.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Who who's you really have? GENTI your skataboo.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Genty that's the answer. That's the answer. That's the answer.
I mean scataboo. Everybody knows. I love scattered but for
the culture.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
I am so interesting to see what that kid runs
at the combine he's got I mean, if he.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I think so to you talking about SAT maybe four seven,
I was telling you that he's talked at like twenty
two miles an hour. I know.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
But he's a guy that strikes me as like a
game speed type guy, Like he's got incredible game speed
where it's like, oh he moves this as was everybody else.
But I feel like he's not a guy that's going
to It might be how pale he is, it might
be how short his legs are, but something about him
getting in a three point stance and running a forty
I feel like he's at a disadvantage. He is a locomotive.

(36:15):
Ten yard split two might.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Be a little toughgas range is going to be like
four or five, eight to four to sixty six.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Okay, I feel like that's doable. That's a workable.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
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(38:13):
want to start NFC AFC.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Let's start AFC. We're a couple of AFC boys ourselves,
or at least the most recent couple AFC cats. Fun slate,
fun slate of games right here.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
But I believe.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I have the answers to all these games. I believe
I already have the answers in my hand. I've watched
the film. Brother, I'm telling you, I am seeing the field.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Big Cat was saying on the Pro Football Show, what
was that Chiefs gotta buy a week. They're gonna take
the lesser team that comes into the Chiefs are gonna
win that game. They're gonna get to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
The're gonna No, I'm just talking about these first three games.
I'm just talking about the first three games we'll get
to the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Smart mona by the Chiefs to just throw that game
against the Broncos to keep Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I mean, because the Broncos mock them. But you look
at this, how you think Broncos are going to do
going to Buffalo?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Do you want me to actually talk about it away
from the locker room, because I'll tell you exactly if we.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Can talk about some of these games or how it
chicken up, I guess, okay, clearly.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
If I'm looking at the Broncos in the Buffalo Bills,
and I'll say probably the same thing in the locker
room is Bill. The Broncos have not been a great team.
They win needed to win one of their last three
games to make it to the playoffs, and their win
came from a Chiefs team that sat all of their guys.
They're not I think when we get to the playoffs,
this is as far as they get. When it comes
to the Steelers in the Ravens, it truly depends on

(39:35):
the offensive game plan because we've seen the Ravens time
and time again. They have an MVP quarterback yet again
who's probably gonna win the MVP go in and they
kind of change up what they've done in the past
to prove something. I don't know what it is. If
they stick to a run game and they're consistent. They
beat the Steelers, and I think the Chargers clearly clearly.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Beat the Houston Texans. That's how I feel.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
If I'm just looking at all those.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Games feel real good to me.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
As I'm saying it on a Monday afternoon, I'll dive
into the numbers a little bit for the locker room,
but just from a gut feeling standpoint. Usually when I
look at numbers is when my bets go wrong. I
start to second guests everything. Yeah, but I look at
that and that's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
And he saw it again this past weekend on Derrick
Henry's birthday. He give them ball twenty one times mopping roll.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Most rushing yards by a running back over the age
of thirty in a single season, keep.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Still tapping into that ability and potential at the age
he's at is just it is incredible. The only is
he the only I think I saw stat the only
running back to have nineteen hundred plus yards two years
in the NFL. I don't know that'd be.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
That's good said though, because he had like eighteen hundred,
then he had the two thousand, and then he had
nineteen hundred again.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
This year, Derrick Henry. Maybe I'm talking out of my
my ass here, but I saw something is Derek ny
is the only running back or the first running back
to have two nineteen hundred plus yard seasons correct and
again at this age, bro, I think it's it's it's
it's awesome. But in the AFC, since we have three
AFC West teams, let's talk about the AFC West a

(41:14):
little bit. I felk the Broncos, like you could not
have had a better year after what has happened over
the last come decade with them. You got Nathaniel Hackett,
Russell Wilson. Just that gets blown up. Sean Payton comes in.
They have they have a tough year last year with
Russell Wilson, they go after bow Nick. Sean Payton talks
about how this is his guy. Kind of a rocky
start at the beginning of the year. But the way
that they've they're back after the year, the way that

(41:36):
the Broncos have have attacked this season, I feel like
they are in a prime. They should feel so happy
with the year that they've had. Yeah, whether or not
they win this game, it's gonna be tough to win
out in Buffalo. They could do it, but you know,
obviously every team could do it. But I feel like
Denver should be riding high with the year that they
they've had. The Chargers, it's like hardball comes in establishes

(41:56):
his culture pretty quickly. They're built on defensive run game.
You got a lot of guys who are like no
names out there on the not no names, but you're
not talking about him like the superstars of the league, like.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
The names Joey Bosa, I mean, Khalil Mack.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah and yeah, but Khalil Mack he's like older.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
It's not like, yeah, he's older, but he's still He's
still a name that even the most casual family will recognize.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
And then who's my boy linebacker piss missile Denzel Perryman.
Oh yeah, Zel Perryman watching him fly around. Uh, but
they've had an awesome year is do we know if
Antonio peers, if he's getting fired or not. I know
we're doing this podcast right now on Black Monday. The
last thing I saw, He's like, as far as I know,
nobody said something to me. Nobody has said anything to me.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
There's an interesting I mean Schefter. So Schefter had a
nice little thing on NFL Live yesterday kind of going
through all the coaches that are on the hot seat,
and when his name came up, it was either Safer
out and they said safe. He said, these things can
change it in any moment, But it feels like they're
gonna hold on off on it for the time being.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, no, No, it's Al Davis, right. They talk about him
being a very impatient owner. Yeah, Mark Davis fault, My fault,
Mark Davis. They talk about him being very impatient as
an owner when you hear all the rumblings of the
fans from Raider Nation. But yeah, maybe they hang on
to him for another year. Yeah, I don't. Maybe they

(43:20):
hang on to him for that for another year. I
know a couple of Raiders fans were talking like it
could be verable because you have the Tom Brady connection.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think wherever Vrabel goes is going
to be huge for that franchise.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It just depends who.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
We saw that he interviewed for the head coaching job
a couple of days ago.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I don't think that's the job the job you want
right now.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Yeah, you know Rogers people are saying, people that are
close to him, they were saying, that's his last game
in the NFL. Then he does a prescontence, but they
must not be that close, and so it just feels
the Jets, as always just feel a little uncomfortable if
you're dipping your tae back in as a head coach.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I want to see what happens with the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Have they come out and said McCarthy's good or not,
because that seems like if you want a fresh start
on a globally known brand and know that you have
enough time to establish your culture, the Cowboys are that team.
That's what makes the Cowboys such a great feeling as
a head coach is because you know, it's not like
the Panthers. It's not like Mark Davis where you get impatient.

(44:17):
Jerry Jones is known that family is known to sit
by their head coach long after the rest of the
world has thought they should go, right because McCarthy. We
were sitting there last year going, we think McCarthy should
be gone. At least I was saying that I thought
I thought it was time for him to go.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Jerry Jones is too busy acting in episodes of The Landman.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right now, you run in a football team. Can we
get updates on Mike McCarthy. Can you type in Mike
McCarthy other than Jerry Jones Landman, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Show I've never heard of, and is still photo of
him laying by a hospital bed.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's what he's doing. Can you give you type in
Mike McCarthy. I just see him start typing in Jerry
Jones land Man. I'm like, all right, this is no
update on Mike McCarthy. They're firing them.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Well, we got any news?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Feels cowboy speculation. What's the ladies about him? Yeah? This
stuff probably won't come out for another Should we call schefter?
You have his number? Yeah? Give he's a Michigan guy.
Give the show to say, from one Michigan man to another,
I need some intel. Mike Carthy stander going, Mike McCarthy
stander going forty four? Of course, Yeah, you know, big

(45:35):
cats out there hope and praying for Ben Johnson. Rabes
you got uh, I don't know if they're actual, Like
it's legit rumors with people speculated with John Gruden, I think,
to me, if you're the Bears, Rabel's gonna be an
awesome head coach. But to me, if you're the Bears,
you want to get somebody who is very much offensive

(45:55):
minded or can speak to the quarterback. Because they got Caleb.
They got Caleb Williams, Like you need a fully invest
and buy into that asset, which is Caleb Williams to
see if he has it or doesn't have it. He's
obviously got a lot of talent ability. Then you got
the Jets. Jets will always be interesting. I feel like Vrave,
he's kind of the first big name on the wave
of getting interviews. But I feel like that's just like

(46:17):
Vrave's doing that. You get your name out there, it's started.
He's starting to get interviews all over the place. It
makes the most sense, it seems like with New England.
I mean, New England got that win yesterday and immediately
after the game they did a press release. Robert Kraft there,
this is the hardest thing I had to do in
my career. I've known this gets in two thousand and seven. Yeah,
I mean he was the player. He was a player
there and everything, right, But now that he's gone, it's

(46:38):
like that one makes too much sense that Ray would
just go back to New England. So maybe he goes
to Maybe he goes to New England. What's another one
still in the AFC? That AFC uh? What is that
AFC wes AFC East AFC East Miami Dolphins. You saw
Tyreek Hill? Yeah, that's I.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Mean, that's crazy. Here's here's the problem. I like Tyreek
a lot, but you got like I'm telling you right now, Tyreek,
you are a spoiled boy.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
You're a man.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
For you to say, for you to say, I have
this is the first time I ever missed playoffs and
you've been in the league for ten plus years. Yeah, Bro,
I made the playoffs three times. Some guys never make
the playoffs like you have been lucky to be a
part of an amazing Chiefs team and a Dolphins team
that was successful. But Bro, Bro, you just don't know.
I think you don't know about the heartaches come to

(47:28):
the Titans.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Bro. I think It's hilarious that he utilizes that I
got to do his best for me and my family,
as in, I haven't made the playoffs and I'm out
of here because I got to do it one year.
Haven't made the playoffs. Your family's not send back like dad,
what're we doing? We got to get to the playoffs.
We got to get out of here.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Yeah, Tyr, we don't care you getting paid that much.
We want to see We want to see the playoffs.
We want to see you get that sixty thousand dollars
game chat.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I think Tyreek two he's represented by Rosenhaus, is he. Yeah,
so if he's wanting out, he just signed a three
year deal in twenty four. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
I mean, if somebody wants out a guy like Tyreek,
he still got so munch juice he can go every
once every time. Would be like, yeah, we'll pay for that.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
Garrett brought up a good point. That's Tyreek's profile picture
on Twitter, right.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I mean, that's funny. That is funny that.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I mean, Yeah, Tyreek, like brother, I understand your frustration.
This is the first time we've gone through it. This
is why losing is the best teacher.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
But how many times you make the playoffs twice. No,
I mean one time twice.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
One time, one time in a twenty year career. Yeah,
and I mean I was looking to make it three times.
Like we got thirty years of NFL experience and we've
got four playoff runs.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah. Man, those motherfuckers on the Chiefs that just get
super Bowls and playoffs and and buys and playoffs and
super bowls.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
The only place time he needs to go, though, is
back to the Chiefs. Incredible, He's got to go back.
There's going to be a place to go. It's going
to go back.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
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(50:03):
called you a cheft, he called you back, he.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Called me back, hit him, hit him on, hit him out.
I feel kind of bad because if I'm like, hey,
I want to know about Mike McCarthy, you're on Bust
with the voice of like Taylor is so inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, just say this is gonna be very inappropriate.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, oh hey, that's good.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I'll use that. I'll use that, like, listen, you're gonna
be so pissed and you're gonna think this is so inappropriate.
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when the Boys drop episodes and drop contact. I'm putting my.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Phone a lot. I'm putting my phone a lot. He
didn't answer.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
We're playing. We're playing photo tag and making sure you're
dropping comments, drop comments about the episode. We have a
lot of fun with those.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Oh Taylor Adam on.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
TV so so professional. Before we go to the NFC,
I just want to say I feel terrible for Steelers fans.
They've ended on such a bad note in the regular season.
They've kind of limped into the playoffs. They've been in
such a dilemma because they're always in this spot to
where they're like the fifth through seventh seed. They're in

(51:13):
the middle of the pack and drafting, they can't get
themselves a quarterback. There was a little bit of glimmer
of hope with Russell Wilson early in the year. They
end up going with Russell over Justin Fields and that
just to be in this exact same spot where their
defense is good enough. They kind of came alive last week,
but they just have no offensive firepower. So I just
want to stay before we go to the NFC, my
heart goes out to Steelers Nation because it's it sucks. Yeah,

(51:37):
it sucks, man. I hope they can somehow pull it off.
You we know we love our boy Artie Smith out there,
no doubt, and we love the videos that come through
on my timeline of Mike Tomlin given some juice in
a team.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yes, the intensity of those eyes second to none, a.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Guy who's been there for so long. But it's just
every year there in this exact same spot. This year
seems worse than the others because they're on like a
what a four game losing streak? O, man, dude, Lions
just beat the breaks off the Vikings. Beat the breaks
off the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
I mean, played phenomenal four touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
There's a couple of things that I'll I'll say, I'll
save it for the locker room, but just the Lions
beat the breaks off the bikes.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
The weakness, the only weakness they have is having this
buy was we are finding out it's such a dangerous
place to be unless unless you've been there before, like
the Chiefs, like the Well, no, they've been there before.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, I know, unless you've been they've been there before,
and Chiefs have been there before, so they'll be ready
to Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
These games not as clear cut to me.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
As the A f C games. Has much more depth
in the A f C.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yeah, sneaky team, dude, the Rams.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Sneaky, sneaky Vikings, sneaky Commanders. Could sneaky have an upset
over the Bucks? Yeah, an upside over the Eagles they.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Could, dude, we could be looking at I mean, besides
the Rams, every lower seed winning whichever, I'm going to
assume that the Rams are an underdog in this game.
I haven't looked at the line right now.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I think the Draft DraftKings app has the Vikings favored
by two and a half over the Rams, So yeah,
they have underdogs.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
We're gonna have a game that'll be in l a.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I mean, ultimately, the Vikings and the Lions are battling
for the number one spot in the NFC. You know,
obviously Eagles have too, but these are those are the Vikings.
Eagles and the Lions are the top three teams in
the NFC record wise, I know record.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Wise, but don't get don't know the Packers in there too, guys.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I feel like, don't be a prisoner in the moment. Bro. Vikings.
Yeah they got the rassle, but just think of what
the Vikings have been doing all year long, no.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Doubt, Bro, I'm telling you Vikings are great.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I'm rams are plus two for money.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Line gotch got you. Line's moved a little bit.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
So listen, I'm worried about your commanders in this game.
I'm worried, Baker, Sure, spicy dude. Playing in Florida is
a bitch in the wintertime, cause your body's kind of
used to the cold, your like lungs have gotten kind
of used to it. And then you walk into that
humidity a little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
You know what it's like.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
You remember going to Jacksonville December and being like, what
the fuck is this? Yeah, you're still dealing with this
down here.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
It is different. Yeah, it's tough. No, I'm with you.
Just to me like in the NFC. NFC has all
the games, dude, to where it's like, I mean, sixty
one is not bad?

Speaker 7 (54:42):
Is that the sixty one yeah, sixty one, high sixty one,
low forty nine.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Yeah, I mean that they're never mind the Commanders just
everything to say, Commanders having this kind of momentum going
into a playoffs for the first time in forever, I
mean not since like long before my generation.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
There, like anytime we got in the playoffs, it was
just we just sneak in and we were always coined
the NFC, or least we say, we'd be saying NFC
beast though. I bet your bitch as was run at him,
run at him.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Yeah, those be fun games with their numbers and the Rams.
They had themselves a little bio away. They said, all
their starters Vikings limping into the playoffs after a bad
b from the number one.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
The fun part about the Vikings Rams too, as you
got O'Connell versus mcvayh. Yeah, they've they've been they've been
on the same staff for so long. And again like
Stafford in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Mode, how's the health of his team right now? Yeah,
I think Coop's playing. He's playing.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I think they're pretty healthy for the most part, and
their young un defenses really came along in the back
half of the year. It'd be an awesome match. Bring Fisk,
He's a beast. Brot Su. Yeah, really, that's awesome. It's
tough to crack that Pro Bowl line up. Your first

(56:09):
year brought Bowers. Oh brought Bowers. He got it unanimous, right,
Mike Mayer? Yeah, yeah, you had.

Speaker 7 (56:24):
Some sure, Well correct me if I'm wrong. Fun fact,
first time I think in over twenty years that same
city teams could play in the Super Bowl of Chargers
and Rams.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
It's fun. Fact, it would be fun. That'd be fun.
That's something that I'll probably start betting right now.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I saw something. This is like a it's like a
pretty good point. Obviously, the Chargers in the AFC, uh
Rams are in the NFC. What if they were both
number one seeds and they both made it to then
like the uh division championship. How would that work with
it being like like.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
One on Saturday, one on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
But normally they're both on Sunday?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I'm pretty sure I.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Think that you're talking about Championship week, like NFC champions champion,
the championship that division, the championship games are both on Sunday.
Yeah they are.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, So like, how would that work with like filing
fans in and out.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
You know, they haven't thought about that at all.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I know, but that's like it's a cool thing to
think about.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
That'd be awesome just to see how flip a coin.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
You know, they just flex one game or they have
to break them up.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
But it is cool. But then if you think about it,
the team that played Saturday has that one extra rest
day going into the Super Bowl, So it's like, kind
of how do you make that even.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It still could happen, they don't need to be one seeds.
Like if the Broncos made it on their side and
the Packers made it on their side both in LA
and the Chargers, they both that situation could come up
this year. Insane Final four.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I saw that on Twitter. I'm like, that's interesting, Like,
how would that even work?

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Going nuts right now? Yeah, somebody's figuring that out. Think
about like the Super Bowl halftime show, how quickly they
break that ship down all the time. They really they
just gotta change some turf paint for them. I felt
that would be an easy Yeah, you do you do
a noon game and you do a seven pm game.

Speaker 7 (58:30):
Or I bet they would do one of them at
the Coliseum.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
No, no, no, Maybe you're gonna tell a team, Hey,
we're gonna do a neutral US home field usc Is Compton. Yeah,
in the Colisseum, the Rose Bowls in Pasadena.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
No one gets where they just played the state.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Yeah, what if they all just play a pick up
game of basketball?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Right? Hey, Before we get into the Francis Ellis interview,
thoughts on Titans having a number one overall pick, it
was gonna blow it. Yeah, I know. It's like the
worst year, especially when you're a team that you know,
everybody talking Titans need a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Bro when it's yeah, and everyone is kind of saying,
this is the worst draft class, Like this draft class
is not that great. It's not that strong. The quarterbacks
Shadrick Sanders. People have been saying first overall pick all
year long. Now all of a sudden's reports coming out
saying he's not like some teams say, he's not a
first round grade.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
There's something.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
There's somebody just like start that people are running.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
That's how shit works, though, there's all this is when
we're gonna start to get in the world of smoking mirrors.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
You can have those team making the teams that are
slotted like twenty through thirty two in the draft, like
a couple of those scouts Conda. Yeah, I don't even
have his first round grade, you know what I mean?
And that right there can just be a headline or
rumor on X Yeah. True, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Was all interesting first overall pick. We got a lot
of picks later in the draft that you can move
around with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Don't We think the number one QB in the draft
is cam Ward.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Though I don't know, dude, he quit halftime.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Bro, It's right, good point, Well you got JP.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I feel like the city of Nashville needs some buzz
and I think they should take Shaudur or Travis Hunter,
either one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Like right, was possible in the times, right, I think the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Move is to trade it. But if you were to pick,
I do think you take Shudar or Travis Hunter solely
for the buzz of like we gotta get this this
city energized again, and those two could do it. And
I feel good about Shadur because at the end of
the day, like he knows how to prepare like a
pro and he's been held to a high standard his
whole life. Cam Ward, like, I mean, I think he'll

(01:00:51):
be really good. But Shadua like, I don't know. I
think he's gonna be a really good NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I think too got good poise. Adam and Taylor, this
is so inappropriate. How are you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Because right now I'm filming an episode of Busting with
the Boys and we were talking, We're like what we
what's going on with Mike McCarthy And I was like, well,
I can call Adam and the Will is like, yeah,
call Adam. Do you know anything about do you care
about if I just put you on speakerphone and Busting
with the Boys right now? This is also being recorded,
so we can cut it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Okay, okay, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
He just.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
He said, you gotta call me afterwards. Yes, mister Sheffer, Yep, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
He said, yeah, yeah, you gotta call me after.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
I think you trade that pic or dude, Hey, what
about kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You talk about Titans. Yeah, that's definitely a possibility because
they they're definitely it seems like they could fuck this
whole time. It would take.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
They would take Justin Fields over Kirk Cousins. Neither one
is gonna yeah, but that's my point. One can at
least run around. But no, I think you. I think
you move around with it. I would love to see
us get that Penn Sam Darnold, Abdull Carter would be
nice to pick up Abdull Carter. The Penn State edge

(01:02:14):
rusher would be sick and a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Is that number eleven for Penn State? Bro? He's like
a Parson's out there running around Bro, his motor and
his speed sideline the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
What's gonna happen with Jeff? Like you have sweat in
the middle, Ye, get you an edge? Because what's Harold
gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Like, yes, he's still gonna be around and sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
That I'm talking about defensive players in the offense put
up thirty points twice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
But yeah, I bet think he'll get I think he'll
get a veteran quarterback in the market. I think you
have to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I think Cali would work better with a vet that
This could sound weird, but a vet that would maybe
have some pushback to be like, no, this is what
I think would work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Aaron Rodgers, he does, he does have Let's go, He's
got Landon Nashville, got a couple of his boys. Olivia
Randall Cobb David Baktiari. Yeah, he's got the bus and
on the bus. Friend of the show, who is.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
The guy that was with Aaron Rodgers the other foot
Poyer the safety He d m me. He said, I
saw a locker room. He's like, if you're actually interested
in doing ayahuasca, we're setting up this whole entire thing
in March, if you'd like to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
I talked to Talan about it. She's like, do not
go to ayahuasca because she's like that that like mentally
alters you forever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
You come out a new man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Maybe maybe, but maybe I'm so enlightened. Something else happens
for content.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Come on to put any bullied into it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I got bullied into calling shefter, Yeah, I could be.
I got bullied into share my mustache. Shut up, JP,
I don't want to hear that bullshit it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
See this is exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
This is it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
I really just clicked in my head you're doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Twenty twenty five, twenty five you said you did say
that is a.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Yeah, you're right, you're absolutely looking to you. Right, it's right.
I'll think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Okay, let me if.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
The Titans place for me to tell you guys, what's
going on in my life, and here I am fighting
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Makeup for the rest of your life.

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
Come on, I don't think change, No, it could.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Okay, I'm teasing. I'm teasing Francis Alice. Hey, this was
an awesome episode for everybody that tuned in and listened
to Stuke Finer. This one has those vibes because Francis
had a lot of big moments throughout his Barcel career
as a comedian. He's been uh he was a character
entire season one. He will be in season two. But

(01:04:54):
this one, what are we laughing at? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Just sure?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
But this is an awesome episode. I feel like he
doesn't have any long form podcasts where he sat down
and kind of talked about his entire career barstool, having
his high moments, having his very low moments, getting fired,
coming back from that, his last year as a whole.
He sheded a lot of good light on what he's
been dealing with in the last year. This is an
incredible episode. I think you guys are really gonna like this.

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Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Just to be safe. We won't talk about all right,
Welcome to bus one of the boys. We were talking
before about Saraian Barstool and tonight's episode and whether or
not something happens, and so we're not gonna talk about it.
We'll leave it alone just in case.

Speaker 8 (01:07:52):
My boy, yeah, I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
You know that movie scene where he's like holding his son.

Speaker 8 (01:07:56):
He's like, my boy, no, no, no, no, what happens there?
Fire He's talking about dead poets society.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Oh, you're talking about dea pots society. I don't even
know what I'm talking about. You've seen the movie scene.

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
It happens in both of those movies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
One am I like my mean video album, My boy
mean video album. It could be when.

Speaker 8 (01:08:17):
Yeah, he dies in Goblet of Fire as well, but
it's possibly Dead Poets Society.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Do you think Will is watching Dead pote Society? Do
you think Will's ever do you think anyone's ever said
to Will? Oh, captain, my captain, Will's gone? Yeah, it
was captain of Nebraska, That's what he's fucking. I guess
they knew I was a captain of Nebraska the Redskins
for a year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I love it. Man.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
Those are good references and good, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Welcome to the Welcome to bus with the boys friends.

Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
I'm thrilled to be truly thrilled to be here. I
was saying to Will. There are very few podcasts for
which I would actually fly to do them, and this
is one of them. And others would be like Rogan THEO.
You know, Okay, Tim Dillon short list. By the way,
I'm not I'm not saying I'm getting invited on those.
I'm saying, you know, I put you guys in that
tier when you when.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
You go and do like tires and you see I mean,
obviously we're all have a relationship with Shane, but you're
a comedian. You're in tires with Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Is there a piece of you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
It's like I'm getting close to the to the experience.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
To like getting on Rogan. Yeah, I want to if
we consider Rogan sort of the the black Belt the Mountaintop.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
I think you have to, right, He's the number one podcast,
like ninety countries, absolutely, so he is the black Belt
the Mountaintop.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
I it is one of those things where I don't
I don't want to speak about it. It's it's it's like, uh,
there's a line from Gladiator where he where I think
it's the original Emperor before he gets killed by his
son and he's like there was a time when Roan was,
you know, so delicate that you could just whisper about
it and it would disappear or something. Yeah, Like I

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don't want to I don't even want want to whisper
about Rose delicate.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Yeah, you know it's in the distance somewhere. You know,
it might be around there for years.

Speaker 8 (01:09:56):
Yeah, I've I've you know, I don't really know what
the row is there. But I'm not going to force it,
that's for sure. I'm not going to ask for favors.
I just know that that is one of those things
that needs to happen. Naturally, and it'll happen if it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Being around Bert and Shane. That's always been their thing
because obviously anybody a pedestrian on the street if they
got a call was like, hey, go on Joe Rogan experience,
they would go on Joe Rogan experience. But the guys
that have been on, when they see you, whether you
talk about wanting to go on the show or not,
they're like, if you ever see them, don't bring up
the show, don't talk about it at all, because that
is when you essentually get NNEX for life. Sure you

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get sent to the.

Speaker 8 (01:10:33):
The Yeah, the Blue Lug ironically. I mean, I've also
heard stories of people who you know, dropped in did
a set at the Mothership just like impromptu or whatever.
Rogan had never met them before, saw their set, and
then was like, want to do the show tomorrow? Right crazy,
and it was just that quick and out of the blue.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah. I think that's how it kind of went down
with Jelly Roll too, right, like he met him maybe
out at the Mothership and out with them for one
night and then literally the next day. Yeah, at that
point was like Jilly rules, Yeah, pretty big, just got
a donkey.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Just got a pet donkey? You see that clip? No, yeah,
his wife bought a donkey yesterday for what?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Just life?

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Just when you have everything, what else do you want?
You want a donkey?

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
Do you know what donkeys are supposedly amazing for is
keeping like coyotes and predators away from the rest of
your livestock.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yes, you should get a donkey.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
I got a great Pyerne.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I don't need a donkey.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
I want That was a conversation though, when we were
going through what do we want to protect our goats?
My first thought with donkeys. The thing with donkeys though,
was a little more aggressive. They're stronger ship too, Like
they'll pick up goats by their neck and just walk
around with them for a little bit. They have to
walk he put them down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Wow, Like they have like lock jar or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
Wild they are. I have a terrible donkey story. Actually,
go ahead, Uh. I have a small place in the
Hudson Valley, New York, and I'll go up there and
it's sort of farm country. And a friend of mine
from up there had asked if I would go to
their house to feed their cat while they were traveling.
And I went to the house to feed the cat,
and I had a small dog with me, our French

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bulldog who just passed away. But he came and they
have two donkeys, and I let him out of the
car and went and fed the cat. And he was
barking at the donkeys. And there was a fence, just
a wood fence that was easily you know, you could
go under it, and he's barking at them from the edge.
They were out in the middle of the field, and
then he went under and started chasing them, and they
were running away from him, running away from him, and

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he was running them in laps, small tiny French bulldog,
and then they all of a sudden just were like,
wait a minute, we're not bothered by this fucking rat.
And they stopped and they turned and they started trying
to stamp on him. And I watched this and I
was like, this is it. It's over. They're gonna cave

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his head in with their gigantic donkey hoo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Now, are you jumping over the fence to go in there?

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
Yeah, at that point I did, and he quickly was like, oh,
I bit off more than I could too, and I
ran over and he came to me because but but
one of the blows glanced off of his fur such
that you could actually see the hoof print coming down
the side of his coat.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
No shit, Yeah, war scars.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
So you saw two donkeys chasing your French bulldogs. Well
they turned the tables, Yeah, turned the tables. You see
this happen and you actually went in there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
To fight the donkeys.

Speaker 8 (01:13:25):
Yes, because my wife at the time, who is now
my ex wife, had I told her. Unfortunately, Koji has
passed away. He was curb stomped by a donkey. Right,
that's just the type of thing that, you know, leads
to little intimacy for quite some.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Time, a long dress. Two questions came from that. Yeah,
well you you made it out of that dust up
without a concussion?

Speaker 8 (01:13:46):
I did. Yeah, the donkeys knew not to fuck with me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Do you have helmets? Yeah? In case you're good?

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Good God.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
You say you about the concussion? Yeah, yeah, I said,
So you made it out of there without getting a concussion. Yeah,
that was gonna be my one of my questions. Great,
what's up with your head?

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
Yeah it's not great. It's hanging on by a string.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
It's so smart, so quick witted. Yeah, yet a pillow
essentially a pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Would you say in that clip, is this brain made
of paper?

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
Yes, our ginger's brains made and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Which on looking at back of people like these dumb
bubs like I guess they're right the way I was
the way.

Speaker 8 (01:14:22):
I know you didn't know that I've had a bunch,
I mean, have I ever? I don't know if I've
told you guys this story about the time that I
got beaten up by the lobster man in Maine. She
was really bad. I got really, really hurt. I told
that on a man chains. Have you heard that story?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
What do you say it in your set? Yes? Yes? Yeah,
well you and all the boys you guys were getting
after it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
Yeah. Well I was trying to stop the fight and
then they just thought I was part of the thing
and they beat me up. So that was one. I mean,
that was a really bad one. That broke my nose
so badly, uh that even when it heeled, I couldn't
breathe out of my left nostril. And I didn't know
that until years later when I started doing cocaine and

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I couldn't get any up. The left nostril tell a problem,
and it was embarrassing because people were like, dude, you
need to alternate nostrils or you're going to deviate your septum.
And I was like, well, that would give me an
excuse to get a rhinoplasty without making it seem like
it's for esthetic purposes, which is exactly what I was
looking for, because nobody wants a guy to get a
nose job.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
You know, from cocaine without excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:15:30):
So anyway, the point is that was one. Then lacrosse
I had like two or three, one of which resulted
in me being taken off the field in an ambulance.
And that was the worst one. That was the word
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Are you laughing at that?

Speaker 8 (01:15:46):
It's fine?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Like it's a real sport. No, I know, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:15:49):
It's not really real sport, but it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
It's a real sport. Let me say this, you a
scholarship for it?

Speaker 8 (01:15:54):
No, they don't do that at ivy League school. There's
no athletic scholarships, only need based.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
But hold on is like a loophole.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Like if you're a good lacrosse player, you're a good
football player, basketball player, whatever it is.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
You'll get in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
You'll get in, but you won't get money. Yeah, you
don't need the grades at the.

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
Yeah, there's a little more. There's a little more.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Leans switch of muggles and wizards, Like essentially the athletes
are really the muggles.

Speaker 8 (01:16:15):
So they would let a mud blood in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Yes, yes, okay, not to get no, yeah, fair enough,
not to get racial.

Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
But yeah, they'll they'll, they'll kind of give you a
little more wiggle room on academics. But you know, I
wasn't far off academically.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Okay, just a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
So you got you got ambulance cart it off?

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah that one. Yeah, what happened? Stick to the head.

Speaker 8 (01:16:39):
No, I was hit and then I was hit. I
took a shot, like a shot on goal. I think
I jumped and shot, and then a defender while I
was in the air hit me and I like imagine
a receiver going up for a pass. And I came
down and the back of my head hit the turf

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as hard as you know, just whiplash, bang, and I
had a seizure from it. No ship, and that's why
they called the ambulance.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Damn. I don't, I don't. I'm not like.

Speaker 8 (01:17:14):
In my head trauma.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I don't give a fuck, you know, just yes, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:17:22):
So at that at the point is is that I
avoid now, I avoid activities that might induce head trauma.
I don't play like men's league lacrosse. I don't do
any of that stuff. I don't even really play like.
I won't even play men's league basketball anymore. And so
heading into that challenge, I saw what it was going

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to be, and I thought it was a joke. I
was like, surely there must be some.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Catch, especially the way the teams are divvied up.

Speaker 8 (01:17:52):
My god, you know, you put the fucking monstars on
one team and then a bunch of you know, fucking
muggle brained moron. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
So you tell this story and just the context with
Biz and everything else, because in my mind, like, you're
an athlete in my mind, so I'm thinking, like, all right,
if we can just get Francis, he's probably he's gonna
be their force. But then when we were banged up
talking out later that night, it was I was laughing
as hard as I've ever laughed listening to him tell

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this entire story about going up against Biz.

Speaker 8 (01:18:26):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
You and you and Wit were the two people. You're like,
I really got to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Man, you guys watch wit. I mean it's like, okay, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
With to me, hockey player they have great center of balance.
I've had a little scuffle with who's the guy you hate,
James Neil. I've wrestled him and he's he's got it,
And so I just thought to myself, like, hockey players
really are like that when it comes to balance.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Yeah, we could be sneaky.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
Well, that was what I said immediately. You know, if
you asked yourself, is there some body of work that
would lend itself to preparing for this job challenge, which
is physical combat on poor footing? My god, you know,
hockey enforcers right at the top of the list. I
don't know what could be better. Uh So maybe one

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of those like Japanese game show guys that like stands
over the water and like runs and I don't know,
And uh so, sure enough, my first my first opponent
is Kelly Keegs, And I'm like, oh, thank goodness, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Uh and as you're thinking too, like I'm like the
strongest gullery. They're gonna put me up against all these enforces.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Yeah, because before the show you were talking about how
you've been really on your health. You've been moving around,
you've been doing your cold touch you essaisally were being
your character from Tomas Calves are incredible and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Yes, hey, well sculpted body. Yeah, that's that's a great frame.

Speaker 8 (01:19:44):
I got that from my dad.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
You don't say, Dad, look at us. You should see
day for the little pencils day.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
Thanks to our father. So, yeah, what happened to your dad?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Well, well, he's uh, he's actually lost a lot of weight.
Used to be a bodybuilder, used to fight a lot,
wasn't out haulic for an extended period of time, but
that is now he's now sober. So yeah, he's doing
all right, He's doing better. He's doing way better.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
Good heavens.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, that was quite a caniform.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
I asked it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
I knew.

Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
What if his dead was dead, would have been easier
than that. Whatever that thing was that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
We wake up in the alcoholic Yeah, we'd have to
go to a local moteil in the middle of the night.
But yeah, he's doing a lot better now. I'm so
thrilled for both of you. Thrilled, Yeah, so thrilled for
both of you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
Uh so yeah, So then I my second one I
get is is biz?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
And before with Keigs, was there a piece of you
that's like I have to win this if I go? Yeah,
for sure, So there's there's some nerves there.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
But I also I'm I would. I love Kelly. She's
a friend of mine, and I was like, you know,
there's a way to do this that's not barbaric, and
I so I just she she kind of mentioned said
something under her breath like please don't hurt me, and
I was like, we can make it this easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I was like, what's in it for you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
So I just I just nudged her and that was fine,
and and uh, you know, that was totally fine. And
then and then next up, I get BIZ and I'm
standing up there and there you guys started this macho,
fucking mating call thing of who's gonna be the bitch

(01:21:27):
that wears the head gear and the mouthguard? And you
guys were like, fuck that, I'm having unprotected jousting sex,
no condom on my head, let's raw dog each other
to death. And I get up there, I put the
helmet on like a fucking pussy, I've got the mouth
guard and being like and then there's Biz, just clear eyed,

(01:21:51):
just fucking vulnerable, scar tissue around the face, a halo
of wrath protecting him from whatever meaningless blows I might
deliver with my PBC pipe wrapped in foam. You guys
keep saying it was a pillow. That thing had real
structural integrity under the casing. It looks worse for me,

(01:22:14):
but it is it had it had case. Yeah, yeah
it did, so, he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Said, a dumb brain we are. He's using funny words.
Its explaining in such d Yeah, just the what he's
talking about. We're just like, oh, we're having fun, go ahead,
keep talking.

Speaker 8 (01:22:28):
Before the record, before I went up, I turned to
people on my team and I was like, this is
a bad idea, if this is what we think it is.
I have a history of concussions. I don't think I
should do this. And then they're like uh huh, huh huh,
And you could almost just hear them being like, you're
out right if we lose and you don't participate, bye.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
So I was like, all right, I.

Speaker 8 (01:22:48):
Mean I'll take it, and then uh I get up there.
There's Biz, no mouthguard, no headgear, just veins popping out
of his forehead. Somehow he's flexing his face. I've never
seen someone do that before. And I said, in the moment,
I was like, I felt like I was staring down
Miss Peach's alcoholic stepfather, just a fucking pit bull that

(01:23:12):
abused its daughter in human form, you know. And there
he is, and I'm just like, this is a disaster,
this is my nightmare. We're so close. Yeah, we were
so close, and they blow the whistle or whatever, and
I mean he'd hit me twice from both sides before
I had swung. And I get off the thing. I'm like, yep,

(01:23:37):
I can't hear, can't hear anything, just and people are like, good, try,
good try, and I'm like, did I a Yeah? And
then I started feeling sick and I was like, oh, man,
if I throw up, that sucks and that'll be embarrassing.

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So I immediately knew I had a concussion. I know
the symptoms. Luckily, I've had a range of them, and
this one, to me felt like it wasn't. I wasn't
so discombobulated, but I knew I was concussed, and uh,
I didn't want to bring the fucking production to a
screeching halt. I didn't want it. But I also was like,

(01:24:17):
I need I need to get some I need to
get looked at.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah, you know, get a peak. Yeah, I just have
it checked out.

Speaker 8 (01:24:23):
And they brought in an EMT. We did a bunch
of concussion testing and then they like they filmed that,
which I was like, this feels where's my blue tent?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
You know, where's my privacy?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:24:35):
What's going on here? And then they were like, well,
we couldn't release any of the footage because of HIPPA
And I was like, well, then why did you film
it just to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Make you feel comfortably? Yeah, they're doing tests on you.
Follow my finger, yeah, give me the give me the
months of the year backwards exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:24:49):
And she she was like, yes, you have a concussion.
It is my advice that you go to the hospital
to get a cat scan to rule out a brain bleed.
And I would you imagine if you had a brain
bleed from that, I mean, that would have been bad
for everybody. And I didn't want. I didn't want that.

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I didn't want I didn't want it to come back
poorly on the show. We were so in the middle
of it, you know what I mean. At that point,
there was so much momentum. Everyone was so bought in
h and my team had lost, so I knew, you
know you immediately had that thought of like, if I
miss a single secretive conversation, I'm toast right, And even

(01:25:34):
while I was being evaluated for like forty five minutes,
I was like, they're conspiring. I'm out of here. Yeah,
this is bad. And I she wanted me to go
to the hospital. I was like, I don't want to
do that. And it's not because I'm trying to be
a martyr or something like that. I just I hate
going to the fucking hospital. I hate it. When I

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was in seventh grade, I had a really bad staff
and infection in my ankle joint which led to sepsis,
got some scars, well whatever, I'm not going to show you,
and yeah, and I had to spend a month in
a hospital for that, and I was this little kid
and it just fucking left me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
I hate hospitals.

Speaker 8 (01:26:15):
So I didn't want to go. And then she was like,
all right, well, then you have to sign a thing
that makes me say that I gave you the advice
to go, and you're not going on your own, you know, volition.
So I signed that and then we continued. I think
I got voted out the next day. And then I
don't really want to give away too much, but I
think the story is worth telling quickly. I'm in the house, right,

(01:26:39):
the sequestered house. They had a basketball hoop, so I mean,
I'm sequestered in the house. They had a basketball hoop
in the backyard. I'm standing there talking to somebody and
a ball someone's just playing horse or something. Ball bounces
off the rim hits me in the head and it
was like someone just unplugged a laptop. I was having
a conversation and I do not remember what I was saying.

(01:27:02):
I stopped talking, and I think I was talking to
I won't say who I was talking to, but oh no,
I can say it was Ron because Rone was also
it's known that he's out of the game. And we
were talking and he was like, wait, you were saying
and I was like what, and I had no idea
what we'd been talking about. And that was when they
were like all right, and then my face turned green.

(01:27:23):
So then they called an actual doctor and he was like,
I'm taking you to the er. And I go to
the Chicago Er. We're in the middle of Chicago, and
in the emergency room in Chicago. I'm not making this up.
A prison brawl had just taken place nearby. There were
fifteen to twenty prisoners shackled to their gurneys, screaming at

(01:27:47):
each other but needing medical attention. And I'm sitting among them.
This isn't even in the waiting room. This is in
that area in the emergency room where there's like sort
of rooms that have curtains that are pulled, so there's
like a lot of elderly people slowly dying, but also
for some reason, a prison outbreak of enraged people. And

(01:28:09):
I'm sitting there waiting for my cat scan, and each
prisoner has a police officer assigned to stand over them,
and the prisoners are shaken. They're like my own once
I get out of here, you know, And I'm like,
you're not. And they're yelling at the cups who are
just like laughing about it. And it was the most

(01:28:29):
upsetting weight for medical treatment I've ever had. It was
it was so unpleasant, and I luckily I had brought
my headphone, so I'm just sitting there playing chess on
my phone and listening to show Path and because I
was trying to find like peace, and it was because
it was so violent in this area. And after their

(01:28:52):
cat scan machine, they were so delayed because someone had
kept telling them if you move in a cat scan
at all, you have to start over, right, And this
woman apparently was freezing cold and kept asking for more
blankets and should get like five minutes in and then
they'd have to restart. That's what they told me. And
so I was like, it took me an hour just

(01:29:13):
sitting among this you know, prison riot to finally get
to the cat scan. I did no brain bleed, and
then back at the house, back at the house, which
was really fun, by the way. So that's the whole story.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Enjoyed your time more in the competition or at the house.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
House by a mile?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:30:21):
The house was fun and it's tough. I don't want
to like say why because I think that will indicate
who ends up being in the house, But uh, the
house was really really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Vibes were high, vibes got really high. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:36):
It was just one of those things where like as
soon as people were kind of out of the game,
you did the debrief and then everyone was like kind
of able to relax again and just be like that
was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Yeah, because you're in it, trapped in those walls. Dude, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Yeah, is the same as the concept of time when
you're in there truly, Like you could have your phone,
you can see what's going on in the world, but
you are solely focused on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
What's going on, and you're you're paranoid the entire time,
the entire time.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Yeah, And the thing that's crazy, like watching the show
now where we're at at this point, before this next
episode comes out or anything, Like, I am under the
understanding that our entire team is so locked up, and
I'm watching these episodes and they're like, we got to
get out the big three, starting with Taylor, and I'm
like bouncing around, like, bro, we just keep winning, we

(01:31:19):
might make it to the end of this whole thing.

Speaker 8 (01:31:21):
I mean, I had the I lived under the exact
same delusion, which was that winning challenges was the key
to everything, and if you perform well in the challenges,
you will make yourself valuable. Clearly, you know the social aspect,
This is not a game that is won by like
the biggest strongest athlete.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
The thing that bugs me about where the game's at
now is how completely worthless stave Portnoy is like not like,
is no help in the strategic mental part of it
like puzzles can't even figure out a child's like blocks.
Stacking the blocks and pulling them through like lost them
the game because when Rea gets the puzzle, she almost
catches up to our team. And he he really can

(01:32:04):
do nothing. He can't throw, he can't let his shoulder
or his arm over his head. Truly worthless to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Yeah, he's a worse off asset than Mincy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
The only yes, I think if you put Mincy and
Dave in an athletic competition, Mincy wins that competition.

Speaker 8 (01:32:20):
Well, was the puzzle aspect too, Dave, Dave, that drove
me so nuts when he was he kept it was this.
We put him so early in the shape because we
knew he wouldn't be great at it, so we figured
give him the easy part because, as you guys know,
the shape got moregan more competent.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
However, not really, not really, It's just how do I
recreate that space.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
And then get it close and then get it and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Just wiggle it in? Yeah, and he had a nut.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Hey, that's when we were operating on our finest flotick.

Speaker 8 (01:32:53):
He did it. He kept doing it backwards. It was
as if he was reading it in like the Arabic
alpha that I think they read it right to left anyway,
and I had to kind of be like no other
I was yelling like no other way, you know, and
it would knock over and they'd go and he would
rearrange it the wrong way again, and I'm like, did somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
I don't know his parents play with him as a child.

Speaker 8 (01:33:21):
And after that challenge, we lost so specifically because of
Dave that I started being like, look, there's real reason
that we should get him out. It's not even mean
he's a liability. We have more team challenges coming. Everybody right, right,
And everyone was like, no, you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
And now you're fucked.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
Yeah, And I was like, I didn't even I didn't
even compute for me that mentioning that we should take
him out would then put a gigantic target on my back.
I was like, he lost us, that we'd all be
safe if not for him. And so let's because you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Were in the room talking to re about it, and
then when you brought it up and then it goes
to your confession and you're like, I think I'm fucked.
Yea by king from.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Good awareness, good awareness and know that you're fucked yea,
it is crazy. It's crazy also watching him back and
seeing how like one little thing would cause a like
snowball effect. I went up to Rico and I just like,
as a joke in my own head for nobody else
but myself, was like, hey, here in your name and
then he sees who'd you go in the room with
the other football player?

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Aaron comes up and taps on the shoulders, I can
I get you here for a second. First time talking
Aria in the entire game. So I kind of just
going through the stairs because like I don't want name
by see it because I'm trying to keep the lowest.
I'm just trying to stay low and not say right.
And Rico sees me and he's like, hey, he runs
the day. Hey, Will and Rarian like they started to
talk and he's like, you know, somebody's like, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Know, Taylor mentioned my name in the whole thing. Taylor
and I just randomly said him, and so that caused
Rico to spiral tell Dave and Arian's out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
He's like, I think all the athletes are getting together.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
I'm like, no, I think I spoke to Aery like
at the beginning, like a be sticking for on a
tavy and that was basically it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
Also the amount of politicking that took place before the show,
Jersey Jerry calling.

Speaker 8 (01:35:04):
He called you, Yes he did, and he called you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Oh yeah, he.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Didn't call me?

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
He did. I got him, got, I got him got.
He's in the wrong drive, dude. He before the before
the first challenge, he looks at me and goes, you
do well, you're in.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
I'm thinking the dawn. It's the craziest thing in the world. Like, Jay,
what makes you think you're calling the shots in this group?

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Why? Like because you went far in the last one
all of a sudden, Like that's a target on your.

Speaker 8 (01:35:28):
Back, right, I think so too. I think uh, I
think previous seasons and your performance in them, it can
only really hurt you, right unless you were just like
a nothing in the first first one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Did you find like, what was the difference is for you?
Because you also did what the most dangerous game? Yeah,
the diabolical speech.

Speaker 8 (01:35:47):
A yes, Yes, that game was my first experience doing
any of these reality game shows at Barstool, and I
went in very naive. I didn't know anything about it.
I kind of was just like I thought I was
probably running the show every time. That game was interesting.
I don't know if you guys watched any of it,
but if you want to challenge, you got to go

(01:36:09):
sleep in a comfortable house for the night. Yeah, and
then the rest of us would sleep in this horrible
tent and it was thirty four degrees we were in
the mountains of Colorado, so it was freezing. You didn't
sleep at all. You were just miserable. You didn't get
to shower, and but it was all And then the
person who was in the house got to select one
other person to bring with them. But it became the

(01:36:31):
case that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
And then those two were immune.

Speaker 8 (01:36:33):
They were immune for that night. But everybody that was
down at the campsite would be like, yeah, tomorrow, we're
voting one of them. Mountain just automatically comfortable because they
weren't there, and they weren't there to like defend themselves,
and so you kind of started getting to a point
where you're like, I don't really want to be in
the house if I want to go along in the game.
And each night at the at the campfire, I would

(01:36:54):
just very clearly say to the four fives, four three
people there, I'd be like listen, if everyone wants to
remain in the game another day, and this group right
here can ensure that tomorrow, provided that one of these
people in the house doesn't win the challenge. Do you guys,
do you see how simple that is? And they were like,
oh yeah, so that just that just carried for like

(01:37:18):
four eliminations until the people wisened up and were like,
Francis has been playing, well we need to get him out.
And I didn't see that coming and I was I
was pretty banged up over it. It really affected me
and people watching it's so easy to say like, wow,

(01:37:41):
I mean, why don't it's a game? How could you
not get the game? Well, you know, it's not really
a game. It's a game, I think on actual Survivor
because they're just random people thrown together, people that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Don't know each other. They get scrubbed to where they
they know that they've had all had z zal communication
with each other before they're all put together.

Speaker 8 (01:38:02):
Right. Our game is affected by interpersonal relationships that have
been determined for years of working together. It's it's affected
by things like contract status, standing at the company, longevity,
power structures like all of that is a huge and
It's what makes I think Surviving Barsol so compelling. It's

(01:38:24):
because you know, people be like, why wouldn't you get
Dave out? And it's like, well, because I don't want
him to dislike me, since I have two months left
on my employment here and like healthcare matters, you know,
especially why the game I like it though I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
You like, you get afraid of somebody not keeping your
job because you kicked them out of a game.

Speaker 8 (01:38:46):
Well, I think that it. It makes it, really, it
makes getting him out that much more explosive if you
do it. You know, the previous season, Big Cat first
guy out, Dave out a couple later, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
These are very huge pieces to.

Speaker 8 (01:39:02):
Fall, and they created ripple effects that lasted for a while,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
And they both hated Jerry for a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
He did for a while, actually still hated him and
even wanted to get him out in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
He was mad that Jerry got out. He's like, I
wanted that blood. But Jerry is still a part of
the company.

Speaker 8 (01:39:22):
And that's because, you know, I think Dave has the
business sense to say, like, well, this is still a
very good employee who's created great work in spite of
what he did to me in this bubble, right, but
other people are not that quick to forgive, and those
grudges that carry from one season to the next are
a major I mean, look at look at how they

(01:39:44):
did the like Marty mush Riha Hank I had, Like
that's a major piece. You don't see that on Regular Survivor.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Yeah, that's something that I was gathering the pieces throughout.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
But I didn't have no idea. I knew that people
were pissed at Marty. I knew something or something Hank,
something happened. There was a team Hank thing for a while,
and I just saw on the internet. I was like,
all right, cool, it seems like they're going through something. Yeah,
and then they get there and find out the things
right that we're going through and that will inevitably be
told to everybody. I was blown the fuck away, like
this shit actually happened, and and she is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
I'm like, my face.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
You'll see, is like, oh my god, that is fucking crazy.
And everybody else is probably sitting there like, yeah, this
is We've known this for four years or how long
it's been going on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Yeah, but my head's been in to say, like an Ostrich.
So I have no idea.

Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
So that is a disadvantage.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Yeah, not knowing.

Speaker 8 (01:40:41):
That type of stuff. And you I think you and
I went into the game. I have a better awareness
of it. But but you know, going into the game,
you were like, I'm going to dominate this game through
winning challenges. I'm just gonna exert my That's my guess
is like you were like, I'm gonna create all audiences
with people that I know in try us. And you

(01:41:01):
banded with you know, Will and the athletes and stuff
like that, and you guys, that worked. You guys won
so many challenges in a row. But while that was happening,
these people who are like survivor enthusiasts and are really
good at the like cloak and dagger aspect of the game,

(01:41:21):
we're just fully like, we're gonna get Taylor, and then
we're gonna get this person, and then we're gonna get
this person. And in a way, winning all those challenges
actually might have hurt you, guys, because it just didn't
make you create you know, you didn't have to be
as nimble, you didn't have to reform new alliances based
on who was getting out the Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Yeah, the whole the winning a bunch. Well, I think
it's kept me in the game so far because.

Speaker 8 (01:41:50):
You might need to cut that. Although again, if you
are out, all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Is fair game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
All of it's fair game.

Speaker 8 (01:41:56):
So we'll just see tonight. I'll also text Rob right
after we're done and see what episode it is.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
My strategy and going into the game not having a
bunch of alliances that I knew there were some people
that I was cool with. I want to get Dave
and Dan out, That's what I wanted. I wanted their
blood on my sword. And I thought to myself, Okay,
Barstools essentially high school.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
There's so many clicks. There's the cool Kid Club, there's that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
I was like, if I try to like associate myself
with the Coolkid Club, I'm at the bottom of that
total poll where I get sniped pretty quickly. So I thought,
if I can get like the band of misfits of
Barstool that are in the group that are kind of
like on the outskirts of like the cool Kid Club,
and get everybody together, like we could run the entire thing,
and you know, it works.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Out the way it does. It works out the way
it does.

Speaker 8 (01:42:39):
I think if there's a subsequent season in a year
or whatever, my guess would be that the Band of
Misfits will actually have a lag up that people.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Will say, I stop being afraid, though they wouldn't be
because to your point, there's a resume that has now
been built which helps create that target for for everybody else.
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Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
Back to the episode, are you and Rudy Good?

Speaker 8 (01:44:20):
Yeah? Totally. And And that was one of those things
where when I got out of the game, I was
just so upset and felt so shocked that because Rudy,
like we truly bonded over these nights of sleeping in
the cold campfires, just like there was so much bonding.
I won him a challenge by like hacking the challenge.

(01:44:43):
I saw something where I was like, well, if Rudy
I can actually help him win, and I'm gonna tell
him right before that I'm gonna have him win and
I'm gonna contribute to his thing, and then he'll win
and he'll choose me to sleep in the house with
him and we'll both be safe, which is exact what
he did. And so we were like just really vibing

(01:45:04):
and having a great time, and then he voted for me,
and I was astounded, a stounded, that's so boy of
mine could do that and I get voted out of
the game. Also, we had to, like we just sleep
in I'm not kidding you, the worst hotel that I

(01:45:26):
have slept in in my life. I mean, there were
times when my parents weren't doing as well as they
are now, and as kids, we would we would stay
in ship places like you know, fucking run down motels
on road twenty four hour road trips up to our
lake house in northern Canada, and it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Sounds weren't doing that well. Is around a road kip
store a lake house we were, We.

Speaker 8 (01:45:47):
Drove twenty two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
What were your struggles like in camp place outside of
New York City?

Speaker 8 (01:45:53):
You know, I think I think it's worth like sixty
grand that that place, Not even kidding you. Yeah, so
my pointing, I've stayed in shit hotels. This place we
had to stay after we got voted out of that game.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Was the worst.

Speaker 8 (01:46:06):
There were so many hairs on the bed women's long hairs,
and they looked like they'd been pulled out by force.
Like these were not shed hairs. These were like, yeah,
hairs like that you could see the follicle. Yeah, there
was intent at the base, clumps, clusters, chemo patient hairs.

(01:46:31):
So anyway, it was terrible. It smelled bad and uh.
But then like within twenty four hours you're kind of like, oh, okay,
I'm back to normal. But I spent that morning writing
this speech, and then as we were like heading to
the thing, I was like, yeah, I wrote something, but

(01:46:53):
it feels a little over the top now. And Pat
from out and about was like, you have to do it.
You have to do it for the show. And I
was like, ah, I just don't know if I feel
it that much anymore, and he was like, find it,
find it within yourself. So I did this speech and

(01:47:14):
it was pretty brutal, and then we ended the show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
And I just went up to Rudy and I was like,
I just I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
Sorry, like I hope you know we're good, and he
was like, oh my god. But I think it was
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
It created a diabolical moment in the barstool Universe.

Speaker 8 (01:47:30):
Yeah, how'd you get in?

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
How'd you get in? The barsel? Didn't you do? Like
the uh the American Idol style?

Speaker 8 (01:47:36):
The first season of Barstool Idol. I had been doing
stand up and tutoring for like six years, and I
was just doing you know, open mics and then check
spots and then.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
That Harvard degree. We probably made a good living with it.
I'm not even kidding you. People are like you imagine
you imagine graduating from Harvard only to be a comedian
or only be a you know, personality barstool. It's like
nothing could have been more valuable to my career trajectory
because I got out of school, didn't really know what
I wanted to do. I'd done some stand up my

(01:48:10):
senior year, loved it, and I was like, all right,
fuck it, I'll move to New York and give this
a shot for two years and if it doesn't work out,
I'll you know, take myself more seriously or whatever. And
I quickly got a job tutoring, and you know, I
was tutoring like this standardized test that like seventh and
eighth graders would take to apply to boarding schools called
the s SAT And there's a lot of schools in
New York that go K to eight and so kids

(01:48:33):
have to apply out and there's just this huge, like
private school community on the Upper East Side where everyone
takes that test and the parents take it as seriously
as the SAT for college, so they'll pay anything.

Speaker 8 (01:48:45):
And I was getting referred from one client to the
next being like, we have a tutor. He's this Harvard
Lacrosse bro who, like our kid, is obsessed with and
is tutoring the test like every other tutor was like
I'm artsy, fartsy old woman, you know, like who was
like a poet on the side and trying to support

(01:49:05):
their poetry but like poetry. Yeah, And meanwhile, like you know,
I'd come over and like brow it up. We'd hit
the pantry after school, eat a bunch of grapes, three sons,
and then we'd get to the vocap list and it
was awesome. It was like the best job in the world,
you know, dunk garus just being a kid again. And
uh I got to a point where I was charging

(01:49:27):
three hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
An hour for that. Oh my good, I had.

Speaker 8 (01:49:32):
I had a wait list, so my I had a
weight list so long that I actually had to hire
friends of mine who were like trying to be actors
or musicians or comedians or whatever, and teach them how
to tutor the test and then I would assign them
to students and I would take a cut of what
they were making. And then I actually just started my
own company, a tutoring you just kept doing this. Well,

(01:49:54):
that was a kind of a hard call, but it
was always in my mind, like I'm going to do
this as a means to and end until I can
theoretically support myself in comedy, right, But it was a
great job. I made like one hundred and forty five
grand a year, and I didn't have to work in
the summer, like the whole summer didn't work and like
the teachers dream, Yeah, it was fucking awesome. And and

(01:50:15):
you know, just worked like four after school, four to
like eight o'clock. And then I would hit like, you know,
three kids in a short radius. I would schedule them,
if they like lived within a block of each other, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
and then I would go to stand up after that
and do like you know, shitty open mics or then
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
You get to sleep in because the work day didn't
start till four.

Speaker 8 (01:50:39):
Yeah, I tried to, like I tried to keep my
shit together and take myself seriously. Like it was hard.
I mean, and you know, in the absence of like, yeah,
I could have slept till noon, but that would have
driven me crazy. So I did that. And then I
finally found I saw a thing for the barsol Idol.
They were like, we're looking for talent. And this was

(01:51:00):
still kind of like in a young phase of the company.
Now did you know about them before you get Yeah,
I've been a fan. I loved I loved the writing.
I liked reading Kevin and Big Kat Dave. I loved
reading those blogs. And this would have been like end
of twenty seventeen is when I saw the thing, I think,

(01:51:22):
and then maybe it was end of twenty sixteen. And
then in like January of twenty seventeen, I had sent
in a stand up tape replying to the email and
they were like, yep, you can come audition. So because
apparently there were like two thousand emails that they can't,
they got and ninety five percent of them were like listen,

(01:51:43):
you know, I don't have any experience, but I'm a
huge barstool fan, I'll do whatever it takes. I'll learn
what I have to do, and then like a handful
where like, here's some relatively related work that I've done
that might lend itself to this job. So because I
sent a stand up tape, they I don't even know
if they watched it, but they were like, oh, he's
an actual comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (01:52:05):
Then I went in and did stand up, which was
like probably a mistake because Dave hates stand up, but
I was very lucky that this guy who went before
me did also did stand up and bombed so hard
that just by contrast, I looked a lot better. And
so then I went up and they were like, yeah,

(01:52:25):
you were better, so okay, and then they passed me
into the like the Hell Week thing where they chose
I think ten people to come compete like it was
the Apprentice, and we had to come to the office
every day Monday to Friday, and at the end of
do a bunch of challenges type shit job, don't write
a blog, go sell merch whatever, and make a video.

(01:52:48):
And then on the final day Dave would fire someone
at the end of every day on Facebook Live Facebook
Live and they'd be like you know, ten thousand people watching,
which it doesn't sound like a lot now, but at
that time, big I never said anybody watching me do anything.
Nobody knew who I was. And so like all of
a sudden, my friends are tuning in like family members,
and I'm just inching forward and and and you know,

(01:53:10):
as the as the tasks became more like talent oriented
instead of just like stupid ship, I was able to
actually show that I could write, and that I could
make funny videos and this and that, and I uh,
I ended up winning that whole thing, got like a
trial contract for six months. Within two months they had

(01:53:30):
bumped me up to full time. And then I was
there for two and a half years, and then I
got fired, and then I was away for three years,
and then I got hired back.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
And now who we are?

Speaker 8 (01:53:40):
It's quite a saga.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
I yeah, I want to ask why I got fired,
but I feel like that's head.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
There's another piece that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
I I go to Barstow, I'm like, hey, how's everybody doing?

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
And I leave. There's another piece of this that there's
like a doctor thing in there.

Speaker 8 (01:53:55):
Yeah, that was do you know about that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Yeah, you've told me about it. You have to tell this.

Speaker 8 (01:53:59):
I mean, this is talk to me like you're meeting
me for the first I feel bad because I want
to shoot the ship with you guys, but these stories
are a little long.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
This is the show. Yes, so we're highlighting you fair enough.

Speaker 8 (01:54:13):
But you know, I watched your guys show and I
love it and I love the way you guys just
you know, shoot the ship with people. So I feel
i'll tell you. I'll tell you as quickly as I can.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Story.

Speaker 8 (01:54:26):
I'm not telling stories quickly. I'm pretty long with so
I apologize for that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
We can talk Fox Sports Drummond a little bit, but
tell the story perfect.

Speaker 8 (01:54:36):
Yes. Yes, So on day three of the Barstool Hell
Week thing, I had had a surgery. I mentioned the
getting beaten up by the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
The lobster Man, which you kind of really brushed over
because Will knew what it was and You're like, yeah,
that's stuck. And then you talked about cocaine in your nose.

Speaker 8 (01:54:58):
Yes, so I the lung. The short story of that
is that I was in Portland, Maine, when I was
a sophomore in college, home for Christmas, when out with
some buddies, bars clothes. We were pretty banged up, went
to the pizza place in the old Port, filed into
a booth. I saw some guys that I used to
play sports against at a rival school, but who I
was friendly with. We'd like played travel sports together, and

(01:55:20):
I went over to say hi to them and was
sitting with them for like five minutes. One of them
saw these two girls come in. They were like screaming
at each other, almost fighting, and he chirped them, and
then one of their boyfriends came over and was like,
that's my girlfriend, and he said something like, you know,
keep your dogs on a leash or something insane, something insane,
and then the big guy punched him in the face

(01:55:41):
and broke his nose, and his nose exploded all over
the pizza. I sort of got he was pulling blood
all over the pie, which we wanted. And then they
all started getting out of the booth to like fight,
and I was like, am I part of this? Like
what the fuck? And then I was like trying to
set down, but then we got pushed outside and then

(01:56:03):
one of the guys from his team just like knew
what he was doing. He knew he kicked me in
the face with like Timberland boots on and knocked me
to the ground, and he got over my back and
just grabbed my coat collar and he's like he's I'm
not even kidding, he's he's saddled me, like he's I'm
facing that way and he's behind me facing the same

(01:56:25):
way with my coat collar bringing me to the right
height like it's t ball and just swinging around my
face and I'm just on all fours being like.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
Oh no, I can't do anything.

Speaker 8 (01:56:37):
This is terrible. Probably hit me nine times. I broke
my orbital bone, I had hairline fractures of my gums,
my nose was broken, as I said, and obviously a concussion.
And dude, he finally he like he was it was
so one sided that he just got off and like
helped me up and was like are you okay? And

(01:57:00):
I was like, if you're okay? Yeah, He asked me
if I was okay, and I I had had this
idea for a couple of years that like, at some
point as a man, you needed to get into a fistfight,
and that you had to earn your stripes and like
prove yourself as a man. And I was stoked that
I had found one had taken my punches and you know,

(01:57:23):
lived to like keep moving forward. So I actually dapped
the guy up. I swear I got it. And by
the way, i've told this story before. I told it
on Matt and Shane's and I'm telling it here, and
if I ever did Rogan, I'd want to tell it
on there because I have been looking for this guy
for fucking years and I'm hopeful that at some point

(01:57:47):
he'll hear me tell this story. We were at Joe
was it Bill's Pizza and the old Port. I think
it's on Commercial or Exchange Street now it's out of business.
It was December twenty third, two nights before Christmas. There
was a ton of snow coming down down and I
feel like he would have to remember this, and if
you were that guy, we should reconnect, not to fight,

(01:58:10):
just to tell the story, because I feel like I
have the story right, but I'm like it was obviously
it's a little hazy, but he helped me up. We
dapted it up. They got into a cab, they left
because someone had pulled the fire alarm to summon the police.
And I actually remember it was the guy who owned
the place, who were like one of the pizza people
pulled the fire alarm and yelled, the police are on

(01:58:31):
their way, and I was like, doesn't that summon the firemen?
And nobody laughed. Just foreshadowing of the weak comedian I
would be for years of the long road ahead. And
so anyway, so then we had to take We took

(01:58:51):
that guy who had his nose broken to the hospital,
and then we went back to my buddy's place. And
I was hurt, but I was very drunk, so like
I didn't I just was like spitting out a lot
of blood, but I didn't think for some reason, I
didn't think I needed to go to the hospital. I
went to bed and I woke up and I had

(01:59:13):
swallowed so much blood through my own septum that I
was very nauseous. And I got up at like six am,
raised to the toilet and threw up all this blood.
Because your body cannot digest blood. Did you know that? No,
it's an interesting like scientific trigger for your stomach where

(01:59:34):
if it senses that there's blood pooling, it thinks that
you have internal bleeding or some kind of really bad problem,
and it will alert you of this by making you nauseous.
This is what I was told, So I threw up
all that blood and then I went home, walked in
the door on Christmas Eve at seven am, greeted by

(01:59:55):
R two, you know, Yellow Labs, and then my mom,
who's making Christmas cookies, and my face looks like beef
carpaccio and she had to take me to get emergency
dental surgery on Christmas Eve. And so yeah, so that
was like and then obviously it's.

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(02:00:58):
got fired.

Speaker 8 (02:01:01):
Years later, I finally have the surgery to get my
nose corrected from that moment, and that moment happened in
two thousand and nine, the winter of two thousand and nine,
and it wasn't until twenty sixteen that I finally was like,
I need to get this fixed. And I went in

(02:01:21):
to get the like the I saw an ear nose
throat person and he was like, well, we also see
that you have polyps on your vocal cords because they
had done a you know, X ray or whatever, because
I was very hoarse from performing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
All the time.

Speaker 8 (02:01:39):
Is this the visit on day three of that No,
that visit happened weeks weeks before I had I had
done this. I ended up doing that surgery in like,
I think early December, and then the audition for barstool
idol was in January. I'm pretty sure. But even before
the surgery I went in and had they told me

(02:02:02):
they were like, we can fix the polyps. We can
scrape those off the vocal cords with a throat surgeon
and then under the same anesthesia do the nose. So
you can kind of just kill two birds with gunstone
if you want. And I was like, yeah, absolutely, I
get the surgery. I recover from that. I go into
barstool idol all as well. On that Wednesday of Barstol Idol,

(02:02:27):
I get a call from the actual doctor, a voicemail,
not even like his assistant, and he's like, Hi, Francis,
it's doctor Wu peak Wu at Mount Sinai and he
was like I need to see you immediately. This is
really important. Like, uh, please come to the office when

(02:02:48):
you can, like.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
Shit, you know the story, Yeah, okay, juicy.

Speaker 8 (02:02:52):
Yeah, And he's like, you know, he didn't tell me why,
And I was like, what the fuck? Okay? So I
called his assistant and she was like, yeah, come. I
was like, do I need make an appointment? She was
like just come now. So I'm in the bar office.
It's day three. I'm down to like one of five
or six remaining people. So I just sneak out and
I take the subway up to Mount Sinai, which is
all the way uptown almost in Harlem. I go in.

(02:03:14):
I see them and they were like okay. Unfortunately, when
you take something out of your bodies, you guys probably know.
I think they automatically biopsy it just to like test
whatever it is. And they were like, we thought we
had removed polyps from your vocal cords, but they are
showing signs of cancerous malignant season. We think now they
are cancerous tumors. Oh shit, and we need to start

(02:03:35):
doing some testing now to see if it's like fantastasized
and spread and that is our diagnosis. We're really sorry.
I was like, holy fuck what? And then I had
to get in a cab to go back to Barstool,
at which point I called my parents and told them
I had just been told I have cancer. Yeah, I'm crying.

(02:03:57):
I'm freaked out. The fucking barstool idol was already like
a huge pressure cooker, crazy thing. And I get to
the office. I'm very shaken from this news and I
have to go in. I go up the stairs and
Kevin Clancy is like, where have you been? You're supposed
to be doing this test segment on KFC radio right now,

(02:04:18):
And I'm like, ah, fuck, okay, So I go in.
They hustle me in, they sit me down, and they're
like crazy week, right, Like how's your week?

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Ben?

Speaker 8 (02:04:26):
And I'm like not great to be honest with you,
and I'm like, I don't really know what to say,
like I'm kind of freaking out right now, and I
swear to God you can watch this. Kevin goes, You're
not about to tell me you have cancer?

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
Are you? Word for word?

Speaker 8 (02:04:47):
He says that, and I was like, yeah, kinda, and
he's like what And then I told him what had
just happened. I didn't have time to like prepare, I
didn't have time to be like.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
Doctor visit. No.

Speaker 8 (02:05:03):
Then I told him I think I told him in
the in the show, I didn't have like I didn't
know what to do about it. Yeah, was terrifying, and
you know, I'm twenty six, twenty seven, and then that
that comes out and becomes part of the show, and uh,

(02:05:25):
I ended up winning the show. And I at this
point like I do what any comedian does, and I
start making like jokes about it, and like my final
video on the final day was like this song I
wrote and performed in the Subway to raise money for
cancer treatment, which was called like hold Me Closer, I've
Got cancer. I was doing. I did like a mashup

(02:05:48):
of like famous songs with riffing on this Yeah, and
it was funny, and I ended up winning the show
and I got the I got the job, and then
I was I was working there for like whatever two
or three weeks. And at this time, all this time,
they had sent the biopsy samples out to California to
get like further testing done. We had called a radiologist

(02:06:11):
in Maine who was like friends with my family to
get him involved and be like, what the fuck is
going on here? Start figuring out options things like that.
And I think it was like two weeks in. I
get a call on a Friday in the afternoon, you know,
office is like chilling out, and it's the assistant and
she goes, Okay, we have great news. We just did

(02:06:33):
DNA test. The DNA testing came back from the the
atop the biopsy that we did, and the samples that
we had taken out that showed cancer's malignancies turned out
to be female. And then we found the samples that
we had swapped in the lab with yours retested yours
and yours were fine.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
This results wrong. They switched my tests in the lab.
Could you imagine the woman think of this. She either
had cancer, got my test results and was like miraculously
you're cured, or didn't know she had cancer and found
out like three or four weeks later than she should have.

(02:07:15):
Because of this, because people were like, Francis, you should
sue the hospital. I'm like, I don't want.

Speaker 8 (02:07:19):
I'm not gonna sue a hospital for telling me I
don't have cancer. That woman has a case.

Speaker 2 (02:07:25):
She should probably do something that is fucking nuts.

Speaker 8 (02:07:28):
So I know, I know, I know immediately because I'm
a fan of barstool, how this is gonna go. Oh,
the narrative is going to be this ginger bitch faked
cancer to get a job at barstool, which I'm not
kidding you. Nate had written the blog before I was

(02:07:52):
off the phone with the medical assistant Ginger Francis faked
cancer to get a job at barstool, and that because
comes the narrative, And I then had to write a
counter blog where I like, show I had them fax
me the biopsy results that show the like medical language
and all the stuff proving like cancer smignacies, all this

(02:08:13):
being like telling my side of the story. Nobody cares.
Nobody cares. It's far funnier to think that I would
have faked cancer like a fucking psycho to get a
job at barstool. Dave has me on Barcel Radio. We
only had one Barcel Radio show back then on Sirius XM.
And Big Cat comes in and it's like all the
heavy hitters and they are just skewering me for faking cancer,

(02:08:36):
like to get a job at barstool, and I'm so terrified.
I'm like two weeks into the job. I don't have
any confidence. I'm just like walking on eggshells. I don't
have I don't have any understanding of like the exposure
in the reach of barstool, and all of a sudden,
I am the main storyline of the week. God damn
and freaking out. The more I try to be like no,

(02:08:59):
I didn't fake cancer, I'd see everyone's like, yeah, that's
what a psycho would say. The number one like for
like this.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
Is the worst company ever to fake cancer away for
the year, for like two years after that.

Speaker 8 (02:09:14):
If you would google my name, put Francis Ellis into
the search bar at Google, the next words that would
populate were Francis Ellis fakes cancer, wasn't like Francis Elis,
barseol sports, Francis Elis Harvard Lacrosse graduate, which it had been,
and then I would ask all my friends to regoogle
that to try to bump fake cancer.

Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
Down off the list.

Speaker 8 (02:09:38):
But it turns out a lot more people are interested
in reading about freaking cancer than my go Crimson stats
to put Crimson six ground balls against Cantius in two
thousand and seven. So anyway, uh so that was just
like the narrative. And then like two weeks later I
ended up asking out of Sports Illustrated swimsuit model after

(02:09:59):
we at a segment and that got out and got
to Dave and he fucking made a mess of that,
made a whole scene of that, which now it's like, okay,
faked cancer. He's asking out girls that are ten ten
leagues out of his league. This guy really is a psycho.
And then then it just became that I was an
actual psychopath. And that was when it took me like

(02:10:20):
a year to be stop fighting that and then actually
be like, yes, I'm a.

Speaker 4 (02:10:27):
Psycho, yeah, having psychotic tendencies.

Speaker 8 (02:10:32):
It was more like I did I something clicked where
taking the reins of the narrative myself, you know, be
rabbiting it a little bit all of a sudden launched,
launched my tone I found like a tone at barstool,
which was what led me to start writing longer blogs

(02:10:55):
that were more personal, because up to that point everyone
was just kind of like, here's a story from the internet.
Here's my two paragraph take on it. That's blogging at barstool.
And then I was It was a year in and
I over Christmas break, we had, you know, a week
and a half off, and I stayed in the city
to do stand up and randomly, three days in a row,

(02:11:17):
I ran into Dave. One day we were sitting next
to each other at a barber shop getting our haircut,
just randomly. The next day was at a sports bar.
We were like adjacent tables, and then the next day
like at a bar at night. So I wrote a
blog titled I spent my Christmas Break becoming best friends
with Dave Portnoy, and our exchanges in those moments were

(02:11:38):
no more than ten words, Hey Dave, how are you good?
Good to see you. Happy Holidays.

Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
That was it.

Speaker 8 (02:11:43):
And then I wrote two thousand words extrapolating this into
a friendship completely imagined from my side, but indicating how
little we'd actually corresponding. But what I thought Dave's words
meant even though he said so few and this was
a light bulb moment for me at barstool, and I

(02:12:03):
started following that just writing like personal blogs, kind of
where I would imaginatively and very neurotically extend small exchanges
or like interactions with co workers into a long piece.
And that is kind of what I do to this day.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
Beautiful, did you have a shout at the swimsuit model?
Did she ever respond to anything?

Speaker 8 (02:12:29):
Here's what happened you hear? Okay, there were three of
them that came in to promote the launch of the
new sports illustrated magazine that was coming out. They were
Daniel Harrington, who got the cover of the next year.

Speaker 2 (02:12:48):
Fuck.

Speaker 8 (02:12:48):
I can't remember the other two, but they're they were
awesome and I'm sorry I can't remember them. But anyway,
I did a show with them. I sat down. I
was doing some dumb show called the Saturday sit Down
where I just played this like awkward, bumbling character like
Chris Farley. Bit yes, yes, and yes. I had the

(02:13:09):
three of them on and they're like the most stunning
women alive. And there I am just fumbling around and
being embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (02:13:15):
And whatever.

Speaker 8 (02:13:16):
But during that I remember like Daniel Harrington was sitting
on the couch with me and she like was laughing
more than the other two. And at one point, like
she laughed and like touched my knee and I was like.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
It's over rocked up quick, ah, the mother of my children.
We finally meet.

Speaker 8 (02:13:36):
Yeah, the search is over ye and we uh So
afterwards I went up to one of her friends who
was stuck sticking around, and I was like, Hey, is
is Dan Do you know happen to know if Daniel's
like single? And she was like, I don't know why
I want me to ask for you? And I was like,

(02:13:56):
I don't know. I thought she was really cute, like
uh you know, and she's like here, take she goes
take my number and I'll find out for you. And
I was like okay, and we exchange numbers. But I
think she was in that girl was in a relationship.
So then the next day they fly to Houston to
do the like pre super Bowl party for maxim maybe

(02:14:18):
and Dave goes with them. He's on the plane with them.
They all go down, they go to this party. At
the party, one of the girls goes up to Dave
and is like, keep in mind, this is like four
weeks into me working at barstool.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
Still there. Oh, it's it is psychopath. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:14:41):
So Dave. One of them goes up to Dave at
the party and is like, do you know your employee
Francis And he's like barely why, And she was like, well,
I think he's got a crush on my friend Danielle
or something. He he asked me to find out if
she was single or something like that, and Dave is like,
get the fuck out of here, and and uh and

(02:15:05):
then she and then she's like they're laughing about it,
and she ends up dming me and going the you
know the girl who's number right or maybe she texts
me and she goes, hey, I asked Danielle. She says
she's interested. Shoot her a DM and like tell her
all about yourself. And I'm like but but I like,
luckily I smelled I smelled a rat. And I was like, uh,

(02:15:28):
they're trolling me. And I was like no, I don't.
I don't think that's a good idea. And she's like
trust me, girls love that, and I'm like ah. Meanwhile,
Dave is like over their shoulder trying to like lay
this trap. Then he calls Frankie Brelly, who at the
time was his cameraman for the All the Pizza reviews,
and it is down there with him and he's like, Frankie,
come over here, we have to do this. And Dave

(02:15:50):
goes on his camera and he's like.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
Get this world.

Speaker 8 (02:15:56):
Ginger Francis, who's only been here for a cup of coffee,
faked cancer to get a job at Barstool, is now
asking out Sports illustrated swimsuit models, the hottest women in
the world, who are so out of his leg Who
does he think he is, Like this fucking psychopath. He's
telling that to the girls and like, uh. And then

(02:16:17):
he posts that on Twitter, this is this is.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
I remember.

Speaker 8 (02:16:23):
It was like a Saturday night or something and I'm
down in Philly hanging out with some very dear friends.
We're out to dinner and all of a sudden, my
phone is exploding for the fifth time in a month.
Things going everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:16:39):
Uh. And then and then the.

Speaker 8 (02:16:42):
Editor in chief at the time, or I think I
think he was k Marco. He's like, dude, you need
to get to a laptop and blog blog this immediately.
So I had to leave the dinner. I had my bag,
my backpack with my laptop in it, and I had
to leave the dinner to go to like a fucking
Starbucks at like nine pm. Well gone write this blog
being like, Okay, yeah, I thought we hit it off.

(02:17:05):
Maybe she touched my knee, but like you know, you
never know. You don't ask, you don't dance, like you know,
I'd rather I'd rather have the rejection than spend a
lifetime wondering, you know, what could have been and like
shoot or shoot blah blah blah. And like the fucking
audience kind of rallied around that a little bit. They

(02:17:27):
were like, yeah, yeah, why is Dave Cock blocking friends?

Speaker 1 (02:17:32):
Which is the.

Speaker 8 (02:17:32):
Worst thing that could have happened, because when you when
you turn the tide against Dave a little bit, then
he really starts to bring out the tools and then
he started like deconstructing the whole thing. He revealed that
I had also DMed this other girl, who.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
Was like, how do you know you DM this other girl?

Speaker 8 (02:17:52):
Because I think I think that I don't know the
answer to that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:57):
When the Internet starts to take it out, respond maybe
they that no, no, but I'm not gonna say I
think they were hooking up and I didn't know it.

Speaker 4 (02:18:13):
Wait, girl and the girl and so you DM the girl.

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
Without knowing that she laying in bed with Dave going
to look at this.

Speaker 8 (02:18:21):
Yes, Oh, I think that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (02:18:25):
People think New York is such a big place. It's
really not.

Speaker 8 (02:18:28):
Well, it was my mistake. Had appeared on barstool stuff,
but as a guest. And by the way, that is.

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
So funny your face.

Speaker 8 (02:18:39):
My DM, I think was, Hey, I have a show
at Barstool called the Saturday sit Down?

Speaker 2 (02:18:44):
Do you want to do it?

Speaker 8 (02:18:47):
I don't know that it is like, I don't I
don't know if I have simple was like eight years ago.
I could try to find it, but I probably deleted
it for my own sanity. You do any of you
know all this? Do you remember any of this?

Speaker 2 (02:19:01):
Jared has never sat in on a bus An episode,
but he could not wait because you are his favorite.
I appreciate that, Jared. That's very kind.

Speaker 4 (02:19:09):
We'll get Jared on the MICA a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
He said, you, guys, does you see Jared in the back? Yes? Yes,
I do.

Speaker 4 (02:19:15):
Yes, so so, so, how do you find out that
Dave knows about this?

Speaker 8 (02:19:18):
Damn do you He called me on the on the
radio show and he's like, you guys are getting behind
Francis and saying shoot or shoot. But he has a
tendency to do this with girls. He DMS people that
are like loosely affiliated with barstool and it's really unprofessional.
Here are here he is asking out this girl or.

Speaker 2 (02:19:36):
Do you know?

Speaker 8 (02:19:37):
Do you know I didn't know. I didn't know that
he didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (02:19:39):
Dave knew that before you went on the radio show.
He brings you on. You sit there waiting on the phone,
and by the way, and you can hear him saying this,
not on the phone.

Speaker 8 (02:19:47):
He's there. This is when we all worked together. And
not only that, Big Cat's in there, and Big Cat
is waiting for his turn to fucking knock me a
new one because he was mad at me for he
Big Cat is incredible at networking, you know, and I
think that's like his biggest quiet strength. And he will

(02:20:08):
work a long game to get amazing guests on Pardon
my Take, And he's so good at like finessing it
over a long period of time. Because this was this
was I was the thirty ninth employee at barstool. And
this was at a time when yeah, pardon my take
was getting big, but they couldn't just like put I
don't know if they were at a point ye where
they could just put in a call to like JJ

(02:20:29):
Watt and be like, come do the show. You know,
at that time, it was like JJ Watt is six
months off from us being able. We're starting to kind
of get the ball roll.

Speaker 4 (02:20:38):
They're they're putting seeds out there, their tweeting at him whatever.

Speaker 8 (02:20:41):
So they had just had Ryan Lochtey on Pardon my Take,
and he was a big deal at the time. He
had just had he just come off the Olympics. He'd
had this crazy like scandal come out about him, Yes
swimmer about him like saying he got robbed at a
gas station and do you guys remember that? But it

(02:21:02):
turned out that that hadn't been what happened. But anyway,
so he was like a big personality. And Ryan Lockey
came into the office did pardon my take? And I
had asked, big cat, is there any chance I can
shoot something that I have a funny sketch. I had
started doing this thing called this is Barstool that were
like that this is Sports Center commercials, and I had

(02:21:23):
a funny idea to shoot with Ryan Lockedy and Big
Cat was like, look, I don't want to step on
your toes, but like this is a very kind of
delicate guess that we worked really hard to get and
all he has time for is this there it is,
and and like, I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that.

(02:21:44):
And I was at a point where I was like
I need to do everything I possibly can, and I
just was like really hungry to make content and I
kind of just didn't listen to Big Cat. So I
then grabbed Ryan Lockety as he came out of the elevator.
He didn't I think. I told his producer or whatever,
like I have this idea and she was like okay, sure,

(02:22:06):
And I had printed out my own headshot and I said, hey, Ryan,
can you sign this? And he was like sure, but
this is a picture of you and I was like yeah,
I know, and then he was and he signs it
and then he hands it back to me and I'm like, no,
that's for you, and he goes but I just signed it,
and I go, yeah, now everyone knows it's yours. And

(02:22:27):
then he's like completely confused and walks out. And that
was the whole thing. He didn't know what we were
going to do. Oh yeah, there was the original DM
that I sent to the swimsuit model. It was great
working with you yesterday. I know you're off to Houston,
but when do you get back? Want to go boxing?
Because she had said she goes to she does like

(02:22:48):
boxing as like a workout, yes, not like hey want
to fight each other. I have a history of concussions.

Speaker 2 (02:22:56):
So go easy.

Speaker 8 (02:23:00):
So she responded, no, she didn't because that was all then.
Then it was all going through her friend.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
She might be on the joke or maybe dide.

Speaker 8 (02:23:10):
She got the she got the she got the cover
the next year, Daniel Harrington, she got the cover.

Speaker 2 (02:23:16):
That that's her. Yeah, that's who you asked out. Shooter
Shoot Brother, Shooter Shoot. I made T shirts in the
merch store called shooter Shoot. Really yeah, how they do?
I think? Okay?

Speaker 8 (02:23:28):
Not great? But we hadn't hunted in the Sports Illustrated
font So that was the subtle hat tip to it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
So big Cat found out.

Speaker 8 (02:23:36):
Big Cat found out about that, so and and and
to his credit, like he he was not thrilled and
totally understandably so and so he was in the radio room.
Once Dave was done berating me for like, I can't
ask out girls that are like coming into barstool to
shoot stuff because it's really unprofessional, which is true. Then Dave, Yeah,

(02:24:01):
there it is. Uh then Dave uh or excuse me,
big cat. Then I think weighed in maybe about the
Ryan lochtey thing or was also just like piling on.
You know, I'm sitting next to Glennie Balls and it's
like what is he doing in here?

Speaker 2 (02:24:21):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (02:24:21):
And They're all just like taking their pound of flesh
and I'm fucking terrified, and you know, and but there,
but this was like an important learning moment for me,
and it was a total trial, trial by fire, you
could call it like a hazing ritual of barstool. And
once I got through this, I leveled out, Like I

(02:24:44):
started to settle into the job. And as I said,
like eight or nine months later, I found that long
form tone thing that you know, started to see my
job met me actually do better at the work until
until I got fired.

Speaker 4 (02:24:59):
So so you're working there for two weeks, for four
weeks in that time, you say you have cancer. You
come back and say, oh no, the DNA test got switched.
I don't have cancer. Some poor woman has cancer. Then
a swimsuit model comes in and you ask her out,
which is wildly inappropriate for any corporation, and you keep
your job. There you go, and so I'm excited to

(02:25:21):
hear how you got fired.

Speaker 8 (02:25:23):
It's a great point because I did go. I did
go into Dave's office at one point to this is
to apologize for all of this. And his first response
was like, hey, it gave me great content, Like that
was his for the first words he said, and that

(02:25:46):
it would take me a long time to realize that,
like Dave is willing to court conflict and controversy if
it's entertaining. If it's not, and it's it starts causing
advertisers to pull back and costing the company money or
paints the company in a bad light, that's a problem.

(02:26:11):
So okay, uh that was that was That was the
first whole run. And then I'm there for whatever two
and a half years. I'm starting to get a little
too big for my bretches. Probably, you know, I was

(02:26:32):
writing well, and I had a lot of things that
were going well. I got at tapped to host the
breakfast show on series with Willie Cologne. We did that
for like a year, year and a half. That was
going well and it was interesting. I'm writing, well, i
have a good video series, i have a sketch show

(02:26:52):
called The Barcel Variety Hour. I'm touring for stand up
like whatever. My star is theoretically rising. And I only
say that because Dave at one point it was like, yeah,
Francis is a fucking star. You know, they gave their
giving me raises like it's just going well, right and yeah,
and the commentary is starting to be, like you read
a few of the comments and people are being like,

(02:27:12):
how long is it until Francis leaves barstool for something better?
And uh or like you know, he's gonna go to
SNL or some shit, and you start to you start
to drink your own kool aid and fucking feel.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
Yourself a little bit again.

Speaker 8 (02:27:26):
I'm young, I'm like twenty eight, twenty nine, and I'm
thinking like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna use this as
a stepping stone to my you know, stardom. And Dave
knows when you start to feel that way because you're
not committing as much, You're not like wearing the shield,
you're not showing up on time to like, you know,

(02:27:46):
some of the sponsored stuff. Whatever it is, it's it's clear.
And this came to a head when we had a
we had a sponsored thing at a dunkin Donuts called
the Duncan Awards. We had done it the year before
it was all the way out in Queen's and the
year before it was like our Oscars ceremony where they

(02:28:08):
painted out blog of the Year, Video of the Year,
Song of the Awards, and everyone got dressed up. We
were all wearing like suits and stuff. The second year
they were like, we're doing it again, but there wasn't
as much fanfare, and they sent out like one email
being like the Duncan Awards are at this place at
this time. There's gonna be a bus that takes us

(02:28:29):
out there, and then the last line was like dressed
to impress, and a handful of us just kind of
disregarded it or didn't really know, I don't know, didn't
take it seriously enough that we needed to dress up.
We'd drive out there on the bus, I'd take edibles

(02:28:51):
with a few people and I'm wearing a black T shirt.
A bunch of people are wearing like T shirts and jeans.
We walk in and Dave is on a fucking rampage,
just crushing everybody who's not dressed up. I'm I'm not

(02:29:12):
dressed up, And meanwhile the edibles are kicking in. I'm like,
and I'm getting torn apart by Dave for being high
and wearing a T shirt and all of this, and
I just this is like me falling out of favor,
Like this is me kind of a come to Jesus moment,

(02:29:33):
Like look at how fucking stupid I look banged up
in the and he just tortures me, like, you know,
torches me the whole time. That was on like Monday.
The next day, Real Sports with Bryant Gumbele I think
on HBO releases an expose that they'd been you know,

(02:29:56):
researching for weeks on barstool. It's kind of a hip piece.
Things aren't good at this time. Lots of whenever a
hit piece would come out, it was implicitly understood that
we needed to like, yo, lower our heads, shut up,
don't raise any flags, or like, don't rock the boat.

(02:30:16):
Let's let this pass and we'll get back to our work.
That was on Tuesday. Friday is the Friday before the
fourth of July, we have a week off, I write
a blog. At this time we had I had the
ability to just publish my own blogs and there was

(02:30:38):
no one to oversee it. And I saw a story
that morning about girl in Utah who had gone missing.
It was in the New York Post, it was in
you know, fucking us Weekly whatever. It was kind of
tabloidy salacious. She was a big fan of Call Her Daddy,
which was our exploding podcast at the time. This yep,

(02:31:03):
she was an outspoken sugar Daddy dating website advocate and
was like on seeking arrangements and like being like, you
should you know, have a guy pay for your life whatever. So,
and she was a sorority sister and she'd gone missing.
She'd been missing for two weeks. Her sorority sisters had
alerted the FBI that she was missing, but they saw
that her Instagram account had been liking photos. So it

(02:31:26):
was like it was kind of a perfect storm of
details that I thought the barstool audience will want to
read about this, And it almost was so down the
lane that I was like, why has nobody written this yet,
which should have been a red flag? Why is nobody

(02:31:46):
up because we we had like thirteen bloggers at that time,
and we were all just like constantly fighting for the
to be the first to an internet story. Yep, I
write the blog. It's not funny, it's just it was
just like a throw way blog. And I'm kind of like, yeah,
you know this girl, here's the story. Like, let's hope
she's okay, but you know, she's a big fan of

(02:32:07):
Sugar Daddy website, so like, hopefully she's on a yacht
somewhere with some older guy like and that she comes
back in a week or so and wearing call her
Daddy Merchant promotes the whatever, it's a bunch of bullshit.
Two hours after I write the blog, she has found
brutally murdered. This story starts turning into Barstool Sports writer

(02:32:29):
Francis Ellis has written like the most tone deaf, heartless,
cruel blog about a murdered girl. I get hit up.
I get like four email emails in my inbox in
a row from like The Daily Beast, dead Spin, all
the all the usual suspects of the companies that would

(02:32:50):
attack Barstool for any reason. At that time, they're like,
we're writing a story about the fact that you wrote
about this girl.

Speaker 2 (02:32:55):
We have three questions, One why would you have written it?

Speaker 8 (02:32:58):
Two? Did anyone else see the block before it went up?

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Like three?

Speaker 8 (02:33:02):
Like what do you have to say for yourself? I
I'm like, oh fuck. I get a text from Dave
all Caps, What the fuck is your problem? You fucking idiot?
Like why would you have done this? Then he texts
Our editors.

Speaker 4 (02:33:19):
Huh we've had We've had those texts.

Speaker 8 (02:33:22):
Then it's like, uh, you know, just a daily text
to Mincy. I got, yeah, I get I get put
in like a uh. He texts the our editor in
chief and he's like, from now on, Francis says, no
editorial approval, anything he writes needs to be run by you.

(02:33:43):
This guy that guy with at the time was this
guy Keith, and he like tweets out that I have
been silenced or something like that my editorial approven So
even at that point it felt like, oh, people were
kind of making a joke of this, And then I
like responded with like just a gift of me, like

(02:34:04):
putting myself in a cone of shame or something. But
then as the day progressed, I was on my I
was leaving that afternoon to go meet my girlfriend's parents
for the first time. Oh shit, and that woman became
my wife who is now my ex wife. And I
was on a train down to her family's house in

(02:34:27):
Pennsylvania when I got a call from Dave and I
picked it up and he was like, I hate to
do this, but I don't feel like we have a choice.
We're firing you. And I was like, okay, I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:34:41):
Do you explain, Yeah, this is the gift that broke.

Speaker 8 (02:34:45):
No, it was that. It was that. Yeah, and then
they cut together a stool scenes to make it look
like I didn't give a fuck, and it was just
like goofing around. This was like a completely This was
before long before I wrote the blog, probably before the
Duncan Awards, you know, no shit, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:35:07):
Just the way that week unfolded.

Speaker 8 (02:35:09):
Good time, like different me. So anyway, oh yeah, and
this guy was like really mad at me for this guy.
He's one of Pat McAfee's guys that we hired, and
he was mad that I had like they produced a
stand up special for me and put it behind a
paywall and not many people watched it, and then they
were Dave was mad at me at the Dunkin Awards

(02:35:30):
that they had spent money on the special and nobody
watched it, and I wrote a blog apologizing for that,
and then that guy got mad at me for apologizing.

Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
What no dude anyway, like is this empire?

Speaker 8 (02:35:46):
Uh No? I think he actually addressed it on Twitter
in a little bit more of like a sincere way
where he was like he kind of seemed more conflicted
about it, where he was like, you know, I had
to do it. The fact that he wrote that blog
was Banana's buddy's a talented kid. I think he'll be fine,

(02:36:06):
like whatever. And then Dave wrote me a text later
that day after firing me and was like, for what
it's worth, I wish it hadn't gone down the way
it did. I actually think you might be able to
like use this to a year advantage. You're in a
good spot like, which meant a lot because when that happened,
then the Washington Post wrote an article about it. I

(02:36:29):
think People Magazine, the Daily Mail, it was everywhere, and
I was just being painted as this, like, you know,
the Daily Beast headline was barsol sports writer Francis Elle's
slut shames a murdered girl, which is just so out
of bounds. Like I didn't say anything negative about that fact.
Just the fact that I mentioned she was on seeking
arrangements was why they took that angle. Plus if you

(02:36:51):
read the blog, you know you read it and you're like,
he didn't know she was dead, Obviously there it is.
And so I thought at this time that my career
was over toast and I was really scared. I didn't

(02:37:13):
eat for like three days, and I was just hold
up at my girlfriend's parents' house, like trying to figure
out what to do, what to do next.

Speaker 2 (02:37:23):
How was that first impression you get up to there,
to their credit, like they're just the coolest people and
we're really.

Speaker 8 (02:37:31):
Like, oh, you know, that's tough, but you'll be okay.
Like they were really cool and embracing and supportive. And
I got all these texts from people of the company
being like, I'm really sorry that that had this happened,
Like I love you know, you're a good guy, Like
hold your head up. A lot of people reaching out.
It wasn't like I left in a body bag from barstool,

(02:37:54):
as a lot of people do, but not with maybe
like this same this guy's dead to us, right, it
was like after a couple of days, people were like,
he made a mistake, you know, he just read it wrong.
It was a dumb mistake. But I wasn't trying to
like hurt anybody. And this was also like the height

(02:38:16):
of cancel culture. This was twenty nineteen, so me Too movement,
right before Black Lives Matter. Just like Shane gets fired
off SNL a couple months I think after this happens,
and then he and I became friends through that. Oh
for real that the two of us had been were
stand up comics who like loosely knew each other and

(02:38:38):
had both just been destroyed in the public eye, very
close to each other, and that was kind of where
we bonded because when he got canceled off SNL, I
went on Twitter and defended him and he and there
were a lot of people at that time who were
like afraid to do that kind of stuff, like if

(02:39:00):
we throw our a lot in behind somebody that's been canceled,
that's gonna come back on us. I didn't really have
anything to lose.

Speaker 4 (02:39:06):
Like everyone who got canceled at that time, all their
friends kind of dipped on them. Everyone kind of just
like let them die. On the island that we got
to preserve and protect what we have going on.

Speaker 8 (02:39:15):
I get it. It was a witch hunt in that moment,
and the people who are looking to, you know, correct
the world had all the power. There had not been
the fatigue around cancel culture that has now developed, so
you know, that was what happened to me. I got

(02:39:36):
fired and then I like kind of just took a
few days said okay, you know what, like I'm gonna
keep trying here started uh oh. I also got some
like I had a few job offers pretty quickly from
like a couple blogging sites. Pro Bible reached out. They

(02:39:57):
had been around early, like with Barstool, and then they
kind of like I think they got sold and then
they faded away. But then they were starting to come
back a little and I was like, I don't really
know what my next move is. So I just took
some time and then I was like, okay, I need
to I need to not lose whatever people are still

(02:40:17):
with me, and I need to give them a place
to follow me, you know, if they want to. So
I started a podcast with a comedian friend of mine
that was originally based around moments of failure and fuck
ups and then like the redemption stories behind them. Julio Gallraadi.

Speaker 2 (02:40:37):
Julio Gallaradi, He's.

Speaker 8 (02:40:38):
Been on a lot of barstool stuff. He's a great comic.
We called it Oops, and it was just about like
fucking upwards and like finding ways to come back after
you've just made it, yeah, after you've made mistakes. And
this kind of just started to gather like a nice
cult following. We were able to like, you know, generate revenue,

(02:41:00):
and I was doing that and redoubling my efforts touring
as a stand up and like just sort of piecing
it together income and like making a making a way
of it. And I did that for three years. I
was out in the wild, just like hunting for whatever
I could eat.

Speaker 2 (02:41:16):
And how are you guys acquiring revenue? Is that you
guys both just going out and selling on your own?

Speaker 8 (02:41:23):
Yeah, just really like grassroots reaching out to brands. And
then we got a an ad agency that got behind
us and took a split and that was good, but
we were Yeah, we did okay. And then pandemic hits
and then I started making some videos in my car
where I was like documenting alternate side parking. This crazy

(02:41:45):
phenomenon in New York and that started going on parking.
Street sweeping in New York happens on two days of
the week, but in the pandemic they limited it to
one day a week. And there's this crazy thing where
parking spots were so coveted in New York on the
street because so expensive that people would sit in their
cars for the one and a half hour window that

(02:42:06):
people were that the street sweeper might come by so
that they wouldn't get a ticket, And then when the
cleaner came by, everyone would pull out into the street.
The street sweeper would clean the curb like that area
where we were all parked, and then we would refile
back in. But people would come up from the back,
swoop in and steal the spots, which would bump everyone
down the line and knock the person in the front off,

(02:42:28):
and then that person would get out of their car,
go back and try to fight the person in the shit.
And I would be on the street documenting this crazy
shit and like laughing when people would get tickets because
they weren't in their car. I became friends with the
guy who drove the street sweeper. He gave me a
personally monogrammed Department of Sanitation, New York shirt. He came

(02:42:49):
up with a name. He was Pete the Sweep, and
like I had all these repeat characters and it just
was this crazy little world. And then I made the
traffic video where I stopped traffic on the shoulder, which
went megaviral. Then Son of a Boy Dad, Roan and
Sass had me on the pod and they were like,

(02:43:11):
enough time, we're just gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:43:12):
See schedule the past you came, They're like, hey.

Speaker 8 (02:43:14):
We want you to do They didn't clear it.

Speaker 2 (02:43:16):
Really.

Speaker 8 (02:43:16):
It was three years that I was away from the company,
and I think it was just thought, this dude is
still too toxic. We're not gonna but like people would
comment on this stuff and see these videos, and I
think Dave was like vaguely aware I should have one
more thing. Probably six months before this, I was pitching

(02:43:40):
a show to a producer in Hollywood, loosely based on
my time working at a upstart digital media company, and
he was like, yeah, we can make Let's make that.
And he brought it to Happy Madison, Adam Sandler's production company,
and they were like, yeah, we love this, but you
need to get Dave and Erica on board. So then
I had the unenviable task of reaching out to Dave,

(02:44:03):
to whom I had not spoken in two years and
whose last messages to me were the day he fired me,
and be like, hey, Dave, I've pitched a show based
on your company to and now Happy Madison wants to
make it any interest And he was like and he
called me and he was like what. And they were

(02:44:24):
pretty suspicious at first, but then they liked it, and
then they came on as like silent producing partners. We
sold it to Village Road Show and we were like
adding writers and like developing this show. So maybe that
also played a part in why Dave was like, oh,
he's potentially somebody who we want back. And son of

(02:44:50):
a boy daed Roan, who remained my friend throughout. He's like, dude,
come do the pod. We're not going to ask for
anyone's permission, just come do it. They like snuck me
in on a Friday. It was super weird being back
in the office. I was like, am I even allowed
to hear get around? This would have been probably twenty
twenty one, probably twenty two, probably twenty two, and I

(02:45:13):
come on, I do the pod. Tell a lot of these.
We'll tell the story of the firing again. Dave sees it.
At that time he's doing The Dave Portnoy Show with Eddie.
The next day they do an episode where no not
the next day, Eddie or somebody at Austin, Dave's producer says, Hey,

(02:45:34):
do you want to come on the Dave Portnoy Show.
And I'm like, holy shit, but okay, and I come
on the show. You know, I'm talking to Dave, who
I think was in Miami. But we're through the thing
and just like kind of going over everything, and three
years have passed and he's like, how long has it been,
Like I've been Yeah, I've been away for three years.
And he's like, wow, I mean, would you ever have

(02:45:56):
an interest in coming back to work here? And I'm like, yeah, definitely.
And then the show ends and te you text me
and he's like, all right, you know, what do you want?
And I told him what I was making and he
gave me that number, and then I came back to
work at Barstool No shit.

Speaker 2 (02:46:13):
The return of Francis Ellis. That's that's my How quickly
were you back in the building.

Speaker 8 (02:46:20):
I think that I think that I did the Dave
Portnoy Show in August. He was like, let's start you
September first, and I was getting married the last weekend
of August and then going on my honeymoon and he
was like, oh. I told him that. He was like, okay,
come in. So I started September fifteenth, No shit, two
year contract.

Speaker 2 (02:46:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:46:40):
What was like, like, what were the biggest differences you
saw being removed three years?

Speaker 2 (02:46:45):
Well, because the.

Speaker 4 (02:46:46):
Mood Chicago hasn't happened, hasn't It hadn't happened yet, but
it was talking about that.

Speaker 2 (02:46:52):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (02:46:53):
Yeah. So mainly Dave not being in the office was
the big difference, better or worse? I think good and bad.
I think that when he was there it galvanized a
lot of people coming to work. You were like, I
need to fucking do shit, But you also felt like

(02:47:13):
I might end up on the radio answering for DMS
to a swimsuit model.

Speaker 4 (02:47:18):
So make sure you do shit and not too much.

Speaker 2 (02:47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:47:21):
Yeah, And at this point when I came back, I
would say it was just like way more relaxed, but
the pace had slowed. And this was also when they
were really gearing the company to be purchased by a
gambling company, so the gambling content had become king and

(02:47:48):
it just kind of was like, I don't know, it
felt more corporate to me in a way because by
and large my tenure at Barstool the previous time had
been in that smaller office, which was just a pressure cooker.

Speaker 2 (02:48:01):
You know, we were.

Speaker 8 (02:48:01):
All at this point and now exactly right, so now no,
Now there were like four hundred and there were all
these people upstairs who were doing like gambling liaison and
and production and marketing and all this, and it was
just like a real it felt like a tech company
at that point. And yeah, just people weren't like people

(02:48:26):
weren't looking for a way to like make a make
content by like fucking ringing someone else's neck. And that
was definitely like, oh you can, you can, we can relax.
It's not as mean anymore. But that had been an
interesting element that a lot of people utilized, and I
didn't see that come back until I would say, uh,

(02:48:50):
Ohio's Tate started doing his thing.

Speaker 2 (02:48:53):
Yeah, yeah, people talk about all this is the old barstool,
this is the style.

Speaker 4 (02:48:57):
Yeah, what was it deal with him and Kelly? Why
did they get into it.

Speaker 2 (02:49:00):
I think Tate brought up something with her OnlyFans. No, well, no,
please tell the story that.

Speaker 8 (02:49:06):
I Kelly and I no key, that might have been
a small part of it. But Kelly and I had
been given the Barcel Radio, which Kevin had been doing
but didn't want to do anymore because it was cannibalized
his listenership of KFC Radio. They handed it off to us. Uh,

(02:49:26):
we were just kind of doing it. And then and
then Ohio's Tate writes, Kelly said something offhand as a
joke on the show about how like people were talking
about like why doesn't why don't they come in on Fridays?
And Kelly made some joke about like I don't want
to do my makeup on Fridays. But it was a
total joke, and I like working from home on Fridays,
she said. And Tate seized on that and like was like, oh,

(02:49:51):
Kelly doesn't want to work on Fridays because she doesn't
want to have to put makeup on.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
And this is the part where he's just contracted out
to write blogs. Yeah, yeah, he was still a teacher
at like right school high school basketball coach is a lunatic. Yeah,
I like him.

Speaker 8 (02:50:04):
Yeah, yeah, I like Kelly too, but yeah and wild
Man and so and both of them are are I
would say, are good at at at being able to
like just go for each other's jugular. Kelly's, you know,
she's pretty Deflnnie like she'll she'll take it, but she
can also really give it. So anyway, uh, they they

(02:50:26):
get into it because of this, and then everyone's expecting
Kelly and me to talk about the fact that he
attacked her on the show, but I turned I told her,
I was like, I don't. I don't really want to
get into this. I don't think this dude matters. He
was a teacher. He was blogging like one blog about
the Browns a week. I didn't know. I didn't even

(02:50:48):
know he was a real person, do you know, kind
of I'm exaggerating, right, But he was like, he wasn't
full time. He blogged under a pseudonym, and I don't
I didn't know where this blog about Kelly had come from.
I didn't know why out of nowhere he was like
writing an attack blog. So I was like, let's just

(02:51:08):
let this go, and we did. And then they were
mad at us for not doing making it a thing
and then then it turned into a whole thing, and
then Dave fired me and Kelly from the show, and

(02:51:29):
that was what spawned the Unnamed show because they were like,
we need real attack dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:51:34):
Because Nate was trying to.

Speaker 8 (02:51:38):
Couldn't be better And then yeah, exactly, and so that
was like a I guess a tough week because people
were just making fun of us, but I didn't at
that point, I like, I just didn't care. Yeah, fired,
I've had I'm in a unique position at Barstool. Well
it's me and Minci where a lot of people at

(02:52:02):
the company fear losing the job because it's a great
job and it's one of one. There is no other company,
not one where we can do what we do, where
we can write about a haircut we got, or and
have this gigantic pre baked audience that Dave and Big

(02:52:22):
Kat and Kevin built and you know who have these
like stars like you guys who are willing to have
us on and and and just you know, it's incredible
and with literally no job expectation. The job is make
stuff and if it works, we'll keep you. If it doesn't,

(02:52:44):
you're gone. But there's no, it's no, it's it's it's
the most vague, vacuum oriented job I've ever had in
my life. There's no I don't have a daily checklist
of things to do. I don't have you know, hours,
I don't have a fucking outfit that I have to

(02:53:05):
wear to work. I don't know. I don't even have
a desk. It's a it's it's as nebulous as it
could possibly be, and there's so much freedom, which can
make it hard. It can make it for some people.
It can make it like I don't know what to do.
I wish someone was overseeing this a little bit more
and like pushing me. But for me, it's like, you know,

(02:53:25):
I don't know, really know when inspiration is going to strike.
And you know, I got asked as a Bubble person
to fill in for Stu Finer on surviving Barstool ended up,
you know, creating huge controversy there, and then was able
to write blogs about it for a week which were
just like so easy to me, for me to write,
and I had so much fun writing those and writing

(02:53:48):
about you guys, and like, people I know can fucking
take it and they are gonna like.

Speaker 4 (02:53:51):
The blog you did on us was incredible I tell.

Speaker 2 (02:53:55):
Them as last night, I was like, I don't think
I've ever heard the analogy of like having a snowman.
Thing with my eyes being so.

Speaker 8 (02:54:01):
Small, I said, a snowman made entirely of buttons. Yeah,
because most snowmen will have coal and this kid had
run out.

Speaker 2 (02:54:11):
This kid had to run out just use buttons to
make Yeah, dude, I was reading that. Yeah. I was like,
oh god, because what was funny is you posted that
blog and we were just on the phone for probably
a good I had you on the phone for forty minutes,
just talking straight, just talking surviving strat Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:54:27):
Yeah, just to the point where it is.

Speaker 2 (02:54:29):
Like I got to bounce all right, all right, Will.

Speaker 8 (02:54:32):
Will thought I had access to a fucking time machine
to go back and do it.

Speaker 4 (02:54:36):
All over the right you kids, will at the right time. Yeah,
stuck a strategy.

Speaker 2 (02:54:42):
It's so much. I'm consumed by this show.

Speaker 8 (02:54:45):
Yeah, it's awesome. And I guess my point being people
who know that this is a great job and feel
very fortunate as we are, don't there their biggest fear
is losing the job. Right Understandably, that happened to me.
I lost the job. I got fired, I got humiliated

(02:55:05):
on of my own.

Speaker 2 (02:55:06):
Doing on a national scale.

Speaker 8 (02:55:08):
I never would have thought the Washington Post would deem
my mistake worth publishing in their fucking newspaper, you know.
And so I I had. I had the worst thing
happen with the retina, not the worst, but like the
catastrophe happened right, and it took me three years, but

(02:55:31):
I came back from it. So now a lot of
the fears that I used to have, a lot of
the things that used to piss me off, the little comments,
the feedback, the reddit.

Speaker 2 (02:55:43):
It just it doesn't make as much noise. It doesn't
move the needle for me. Makes it kind of nice, right,
It's that is nice.

Speaker 8 (02:55:52):
Yeah, it is nice, and I and I feel safer.
I mean, Dave, you know, joked on the unnamed show
about you know, to close the loop on the new
contract hanging over my head as I entered surviving barstool.
Dave joked about on the unnamed show because they were

(02:56:12):
giving him shit for it. How I got the email
right after I got eliminated the show gave Dave the
idol and I had a new contract in my inbox
which I've been waiting for, and he revealed that. Some
months ago, I had texted Dave and said, hey, can
I call you. I have something important to talk to
you about. And I called him and I said, look,
here's the deal. I'm getting divorced. I have to move

(02:56:35):
out of my apartment. I don't know if I should
stay in New York City. At this point, I had
like two months left on my contract. I was like,
I don't know if I should stay in New York.
I don't know if I should move to Chicago. I
don't know if you want to keep me on here.
And I know that this is way ahead, but I
just need your help. I need some clarity in my

(02:56:56):
life because I need to know where to sign a lease.
And I'm kind of like, I just my life is
in free fall right now. And in that moment, he
was like, I'm really sorry to hear it, but you're
in great standing. We have full intention to renew you.
You're doing good stuff. And that meant the fucking world
to me, just as it did when he fired me

(02:57:18):
and sent that text to like, just give me a
little nudge of like, And this is why, like a
lot of the time, I know Dave is a very
controversial figure to a lot of people, but off the camera,
off Mike, people will ask me like, what's he really like?
What do you think of him? And my answer is
so resolute. He he means a lot to me and

(02:57:39):
he's done a lot for me. And I get like
a little emotional thinking about it. But in my worst
moments of all people, Dave has lifted me.

Speaker 4 (02:57:47):
So he's got any unique way of being supportive home?

Speaker 2 (02:57:50):
Yeah, yeah, he's got up. You know, he's got a heart.
So uh you bubbling up? Almost got a little tear
in my Yeah. Yeah. Oh well, now have you been doing?
You're obviously a very funny cat. You're a comedian like
you laugh a lot, you do all the things, You're
traveling everywhere. But to go off that you mentioned getting divorced,
being in your lowest moments, and I also saw you

(02:58:11):
on New Year's post on your story. I don't know
if you were trying to be funny as well, but
I knew that there were some serious behind it where
you're like sitting on the stairs and you're holding you're drinking,
You're like everybody's out there. I don't feel like I
have any type of conversation to offer. Yeah, how have
you been doing.

Speaker 8 (02:58:25):
Look, you know, I don't think it's any secret that
for however I present on paper, I would say my
brain is both my like my great tool and my
most malfunctioning piece of equipment. I'm emotional, I'm sensitive. I'm
prone to real bouts of depression, and I've been pretty

(02:58:47):
open about this. And obviously, you know, going through divorce sucked.
My ex wife is remains my favorite person in the world.
We are great friends to this day, which is a
weird and unique parallel I think between me and Dave
because he says the same about his x Y. But

(02:59:10):
it still made it very hard. You know, I lost
my infrastructure, I lost my world. I had to move out,
and I was just kind of like totally lost. And
the past year, the last half of this year was
just a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (02:59:22):
It sucked.

Speaker 8 (02:59:24):
And it wasn't until I like really took some serious
steps to writing the Ship that I finally felt like
some hope again and whatever. And that post that I
posted on New Year's I was texting with Sass and
I was like, Dude, New Year's Eve is the worst
fucking holiday ever. I don't remember a time that I

(02:59:44):
didn't feel shitty on New Year's Eve and he was like,
he responded the same, and I took a picture. I
was sitting in a stairwell to get away from the party,
just sipping a tequila soda, and I was like, I'm
literally sitting in a stairwell by myself to avoid all
these people who are like happily reflecting. And my entire
Instagram timeline was filled with carousels of people being like,

(03:00:05):
what a great year twenty twenty four was. Here's what
I did. I traveled to Venice, I got engaged, we
got pregnant. I did this. I had leaps forward in
my life and I was like, I bet you there's
a lot of people out there that do not look
fondly on the last year of their life. And I
wrote this caption. I started just writing it and it
was like a little bit sad and kind of self pitying,

(03:00:29):
and initially I was just trying to make it funny,
and then I ended it with this sort of optimistic
look forward of like, here's to all the people for
whom twenty twenty four sucked, but who continue to believe
that somehow next year may be our year. And I
wasn't going to post it because I was drunk, and
I was like, don't post drunk on Year's Eve. Don't

(03:00:49):
like writing something that is like whiny and petulant and
you know, sad. But the thought that people might relate
and feel like, you know, there's another person out there
whose content I consume, whose life has sucked to and
who hates this holiday, is not feeling great right now,

(03:01:11):
but is looking forward. Maybe that'll resonate. And I posted it.
It is the most viewed Instagram story I've ever had.
I've two hundred and sixty thousand followers. One hundred and
forty thousand people saw that story. I got thousands of
dms from people being like, dude, this was the worst
year of my life. Wife of twenty years hit me

(03:01:33):
with divorce papers out of nowhere, took the two kids,
like I didn't see it coming, lost my job, like
got relapsed on a drug. Whatever it's been hell. This
means a lot to me. I'm there for you, You're
there for me, And like those are messages.

Speaker 2 (03:01:47):
You don't think about.

Speaker 8 (03:01:49):
You just think you're a fuck. I think I'm a
clown in the wind, you know, writing my dumb blogs
doing I don't think my job is important. I don't
think I'm doing a lot. I'm not some motivational speaker,
some leader of men. But to get DMS like that,
you know you're it, doesn't It makes me think that

(03:02:11):
being honest online can be helpful.

Speaker 2 (03:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:02:17):
It's a different level of vulnerability though, when you have
the following you do and you decide to be that
kind of vulnerable, because then there's always the fear of
like what if it isn't received the way you wish
it was received?

Speaker 2 (03:02:25):
Totally?

Speaker 8 (03:02:26):
And yeah, I I by the way I approach it
with humility. I don't. I don't think I'm on a
pedestal rehabilitating the frayed nerves of some lost army of
poor souls. I I know that I'm just like all
these people. I'm flawed and broken, but you know, fuck it, man,

(03:02:51):
life can be tough, but like, don't don't give up.
Yeah that's it is that simple, Just keep trying.

Speaker 2 (03:02:58):
I think that authentic, authentic city is awesome because also
in the in the interesting too, it's like the season
of Tires comes out like you're doing well in comedy,
Like you would assume looking at Francis on the outside,
that everything is.

Speaker 4 (03:03:12):
More than even the way you talk about divorce, it's
like you almost talk about it. At least when I
saw you it surviving, you'd be like, yeah, divorced, but
you just kind of let it roll off to where
I walk away from the conversation. I'm my damn Like
I would not be feeling that way if I was
being divorced right now. But it seems like Francis is
really just taking everything had joke about it just to
get it left.

Speaker 8 (03:03:34):
It's a coping mechanism. I think a lot of of
us do that, especially comedians, want to assign humor to
tragedy as a way of not, you know, showing themselves.
But I'm very lucky in that my ex wife is
a great person and we were able to navigate it
without fangs and claws and and somehow remain great friends throughout. So,

(03:03:59):
you know, all credit to her, and I am now
to a point where I can speak more positively about
the experience. And but you know, for a while, I
was just like, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:04:15):
It's interesting when you kind of just going through life
and seeing a bunch of people and you think, all
this person's doing great, this person's not doing great, and
you can kind of like feel it in that moment
and you kind of realize that, like everyone truly is
going through something like my twenty twenty four I had
a lot of shit that I could I think it's
like how you feel it, how what lends you decide
to look through it is because there's a lot of
good things that happen in twenty four for me, But

(03:04:35):
at the same time, there's like five or six things
I could probably look at and be like, god, damn,
I could easily frame twenty twenty four is a bad year,
and it's like all like a how you view it
type of thing, And I mean there's some things you
can't come back from. There's some things like the damn
as you're getting that are like, holy shit, twenty years married,
someone just slaps your divorce papers, relapsing on a drug,
those types of things or are massive nothing like I had.

(03:04:55):
But it's just sometimes you have to like try and
do your best look at something in a positive light,
regardless of how bleak it might seem.

Speaker 2 (03:05:03):
Totally totally uh and what choice do we have, right?

Speaker 8 (03:05:09):
Do you know what I mean? Like we are creators.
We have you guys have two podcast episodes a week.
That need to be on time.

Speaker 2 (03:05:18):
I have.

Speaker 8 (03:05:19):
I you know, as as much as I know Dave
would give me the leash to take a couple of
weeks to fucking lick my wounds, I don't. I don't
want to disappear from the conversation. I know that this
fucking river keeps flowing with or without you. So in
the face of you know, real shit, you gotta bear

(03:05:40):
up and make stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:05:42):
Yeah, it's like the sun's gonna rise. Yeah, no matter what,
it was gonna move.

Speaker 8 (03:05:47):
So you know, I just hit my marks and tried
to keep doing the job. And I would say more
than anything, almost the job was what like gave me
purpose and continuity and ructure.

Speaker 2 (03:06:00):
Yeah, and just a break from you know, the hell
you're in outside of those walls.

Speaker 8 (03:06:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:06:08):
I appreciate you sharing that with us.

Speaker 8 (03:06:09):
Yeah. Absolutely. Uh. I don't really have any reason anymore
to hide much. I don't know why I've kind of
reached this like terminal velocity of transparency, and uh, I'm
not I don't know why I did that. I mean,
I know that there are some things that I should

(03:06:30):
probably keep private, but honestly, when you when you get
the messages, I almost feel like I owe it to
people to, like, you know, like a while people.

Speaker 2 (03:06:45):
Are watching, people are following along pretty closely and resonate
with the words you're saying. Yeah, and they don't just
see you as you know, the clown show that you
have fantasize in your head, like people expect me just
to be funny all the time.

Speaker 8 (03:06:56):
Yeah, yeah, And I think it also just lends depth,
depth to sort of the character that I've developed, and
as funny as it is to pay me as a
sociopath and a psychopath, like reminding people that I have
empathy and be sad as if people actually thought I

(03:07:17):
was a real legitimate sociopath. It's kind of funny.

Speaker 4 (03:07:20):
If it's put out there, people believe it. People still
think I did Jeffrey Starr to this moment. In this moment,
I mean, we had a night in.

Speaker 8 (03:07:28):
A couple entanglements, but dude, living in that gray area
is the sweets kind of fun. I gotta tell you
one thing I've learned and keep sucking Dave's dick is
something he taught me. He's like the greatest compliment I've
ever been given is when someone was like, I don't
know where Dave Portnoy, the person ends and El Presidente starts.

(03:07:53):
He's blended his character with who he is so seamlessly
that you kind of just take it all as one.
And that gives you so much license and like playground
to work with because nothing's off limits and people will
laugh when they're nervous, when they're unsure if you're kidding
or not. And I love I love that. Like my

(03:08:18):
favorite content I've ever made is stuff that like draws
a line and causes people to like argue both sides
and neither side really knows if I'm kidding. That's the
traffic video. Yeah, it's me stopping traffic and being like,
I'm a hero. You can't cut and half the world

(03:08:41):
is like, thank you, you are a hero. Finally someone
stood up. I've always been too scared to do that.
And then the other half are like, fuck you, I'll
kill you if you ever do this in Detroit, and
like how dare you?

Speaker 2 (03:08:53):
You? You know?

Speaker 8 (03:08:54):
Hall monitor God, and you just step back, you step back,
and you them to me like decipher what they've seen
through their own lens. It's like looking at a very
confusing painting, yeah, and being.

Speaker 2 (03:09:10):
Like this is what I see and your close close
fans are laughing because they understand the masters well they do,
and they don't like it doesn't really matter, they can
as long as it just like moves something.

Speaker 8 (03:09:20):
Yeah, makes them feel the need to like weigh in. Yeah,
you've you've provoked something, You've stirred something. That's my favorite, dude.

Speaker 4 (03:09:30):
One of my favorite things about Dave is his ability
when shit is like hitting the fan, like the sex
tape thing during twenty twenty, the whole like Me to
cancel culture thing like Dave is the perfect person to
cancel and anything that came up at any point, it
would be like he instead of like having a like
statement put out like every other celebrity did, he would
just get in from of a camera and be like,

(03:09:51):
this happened. This is what actually happened. I can show
receipts for this and basically just fight against the resistance
of whatever people were trying to bring them down for. Yeah,
and that I think that stirred up a lot of things.
You see Shannon Sharp the way he had with his
little Instagram live, he ends up going to talk about
it right away as opposed to getting behind lawyers or
whatever might have possibly happen, and Dave's a big reason

(03:10:12):
why people are now just getting in front of things
when they know they've done nothing wrong.

Speaker 8 (03:10:15):
I agree. I think he's earned that. That's a that's
a tough thing to build, where it's like, we expect
you to address everything head on. You know, he said
on the Unnamed show, who was he talking about? I
think he was talking about Grace leaving and someone was like, no, Nda,
you can talk about this, and he goes, I'm not

(03:10:37):
an NDA guy. Everything's on the table for Davey, you know.
And I think that has infused in me, as I say,
I have not I'm complete transparency. That's just like being
groomed in the school of barstool. But like it would
be so antithetical to who we know Dave to be

(03:10:59):
if something came out about him or another person and
he was like, I can't talk about that.

Speaker 2 (03:11:05):
Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I don't
even know what antithetical means, but I think I picked
it up through the sentence he was saying.

Speaker 8 (03:11:12):
Smooth, who know him to be?

Speaker 4 (03:11:15):
Yeah, antithetical is a great word, thank you, phenomenal. The
whole vocabulary is awesome. But yeah, David is just enough
of an asshole, but he's like he stands on everything
he says. He doesn't do anything behind closed doors. So
with the no NDA thing, it's like, y'all, go ahead,
antithetical that that popped up for you appreciate that with him, Like, yeah,
the no NDA thing, it's like, yeah, Dave has nothing

(03:11:37):
to hide behind because he's the same person everywhere. Yeah,
so there's no there's no reason to be like you
got to hide this, that and the other.

Speaker 2 (03:11:43):
Yeah, yeah, all right, should we should we pivot? Let's pivot.
I kind of want to ask you about the uh,
the Las Vegas bombing.

Speaker 4 (03:11:53):
Oh god, okay, have you listened to Sean Ryan podcast
at all? No, have you do into this world at all?

Speaker 8 (03:12:01):
Conspiracies eries?

Speaker 2 (03:12:03):
Not really?

Speaker 8 (03:12:04):
I don't what was it a conspiracy theory? However, what
would you what would you call that world? I don't know,
so I'm not I'm not calling him a conspiracy theorist.
I assumed that that's what you meant, like, let's say,
alternative explanations for phenomena that is to us.

Speaker 4 (03:12:21):
I had no idea Will was going to do that.
I kind of jumped in in like an improv sense.
Of being like, let's just keep this going, so we'll
go on.

Speaker 2 (03:12:28):
I just feel like I feel like it was we
were coming to a point where we could pivot the
conversation totally. I feel like the talk, the talk of
the internet has been that Vegas bombing. Was it like
an inside job, a reverse sy y op? The car
blowing up the frame by frame? Was the guy dead?

Speaker 8 (03:12:43):
Is he really dead?

Speaker 4 (03:12:44):
Have you looked Have you looked into this stuff at all?

Speaker 8 (03:12:46):
Can I be honest with you. I do not like
watching videos of people dying.

Speaker 2 (03:12:52):
So there's a rumor that he was potentially already dead.
And the smart car drove itself up there real quick.
And you never went through like the Gordon dot com
you know what?

Speaker 8 (03:13:01):
That ship and that by the way, every.

Speaker 2 (03:13:05):
Guy, two Girls, one cup.

Speaker 8 (03:13:07):
I hate that ship. People would prank me with it.
They'd be like, dude, check out this video of my kickflip.

Speaker 2 (03:13:14):
And then it's a girl sh every kid, every kid, guy,
it's just salad right now paying Olympics. No, no, fuck,
all of that there was all that.

Speaker 4 (03:13:26):
I feel like, did you went through that too?

Speaker 2 (03:13:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:13:28):
Maybe maybe in Nebraska you and the boys get together
and it's like for whatever, reason somebody pulls pulls a
laptop and do just fucked up videos.

Speaker 2 (03:13:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, somebody shooting a NERF a NERF football
out of there, pussy. Hey, you guys have seen that, right.
I love how you whispered pussy. That is so funny.

Speaker 4 (03:13:47):
Okay, So here's a quick breakdown from what I've gathered
on the New Orleans thing. This guy who was in
this like was in the army, was in like a
green beret one of those branches.

Speaker 8 (03:13:56):
This is New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (03:13:58):
What did I say, You said New Orleans. Okay, well,
he was also in the same branch. However, I am
I was talking about Las Vegas. This guy was apparently
based on the Sean Ryan podcast that we watched. Somebody
sent his guests and emails. I'm assuming it's this guy Alex,
who is like, I'm I know all this information. I'm
going to do X, Y and Z do not release
any of this stuff till January January first, or until

(03:14:19):
after December thirty first. So January first happens. And I
guess what people are trying to say now is that
this was not a terrorist terroist attack, the Las Vegas thing.

Speaker 2 (03:14:30):
It was actually like.

Speaker 4 (03:14:31):
A a reminder or like a there was not like
ill intent of like blowing something up because you're gonna
take a tesla that Elon Musk essentially essentially brags saying.

Speaker 2 (03:14:43):
This is bulletproof.

Speaker 4 (03:14:44):
Joe Rogan shoots an arrow, doesn't even barely dent the
whole entire thing and sets off fireworks, and then this
guy gets charred inside of it. So the guy they
say that did do this, they took the charred body
of the tesla and pulled the DNA from him, and
the DNA against the alleged guy who did it, Sono,
the DNA did not match at all. So they're thinking

(03:15:06):
this this whole little something about October seventh, like anything.
He wants chiming show bro the gun as well. Suream,
you had a great point about go ahead and grabbed that, Mike.
What was the point about the desert eagle?

Speaker 7 (03:15:18):
So in forensics they said in every case that there
was a suicide attempt with a desert eagle upon the
person losing their life. A desert eagle is such a
high caliber pistol it would launch out at the hand.
They were like twenty feet almost The pistol was found
in his lap in the car, so they were saying,
that's pretty much impossible unless it hit off a bunch

(03:15:40):
of different surfaces and then just landed.

Speaker 2 (03:15:42):
In his lap, which I mean, I mean JFK, right
is what I read. It feels like the yeah, allegedly
either way, like the best part of this. I know
I brought the Sean Ryan thing. I didn't. I haven't
gotten to listen to everybody's like, go listen to the
first thirty to forty five minutes, So I've just seen
the cliff the cliff notes on X and in my mind,
I'm thinking of Francis. I'm sure Francis has a little

(03:16:04):
has a little angle or a thought on the conspiracy
s of because everybody's playing there's so many different conversations
going on around it on if Sean Ryan's kind of
he's got fake stuff going out there, if it's real,
like all the sides are coming out, all the sides
are coming out to where I have no clue what's.

Speaker 4 (03:16:19):
Real, no idea what's real.

Speaker 2 (03:16:20):
But that's the fun part about podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:16:22):
You can have to say things and hope that somebody
who's in the comments knows more than you do. Sure,
and you see a fun comment on YouTube in a
little bit that I can now digest and say.

Speaker 2 (03:16:29):
Next week, and you hope the guest talks more than
we do so we don't sound like.

Speaker 4 (03:16:32):
It're like, oh, because we don't want to be those
guys right now. Also, New Orleans, Bourbon Street, they have
barricades where cars can't.

Speaker 8 (03:16:40):
Get to.

Speaker 2 (03:16:42):
The dudes who just drove through the street. Usually those
barricades are up and protected of that. For some reason,
they were down that night getting.

Speaker 4 (03:16:49):
Reinforced for the super Bowl. But why would they get
reinforced the night before?

Speaker 2 (03:16:56):
Yeah, the bulgeme. Do you think that's a coincidence?

Speaker 8 (03:16:58):
What do you think, Golle?

Speaker 2 (03:17:02):
Do you think we're safe in America right now? What
do you think of the drones off the coast?

Speaker 8 (03:17:10):
Is taking a real twist? Speaking of Twisted t.

Speaker 4 (03:17:15):
One, normal stuff, phenomenal stuff. Twisted question this week is
brought to you by Twisted Tea. Is a government fucking us?

Speaker 2 (03:17:22):
Francis?

Speaker 8 (03:17:23):
You know, Look, I think I think I sort of
process a lot of this stuff the same way that
I feel about you know, alien lifes and UFOs and
stuff like that. I bet that some of the conspiracy
stuff or alternative explanations from what the media tells us

(03:17:45):
are true or there's a kernel of truth to them.
Do I want to find out the truth?

Speaker 2 (03:17:54):
No?

Speaker 8 (03:17:56):
I want. I live such a short amount of time
on this earth. Choosing I have enough problems in my
own brain. Choosing willful ignorance as opposed to finding and
hunting for the absolute correct truth is a more blissful

(03:18:17):
way for me to live. Because if I did learn
through hunting through files and fucking the local library and whatever,
that the government had removed the barriers on Bourbon streets
so that some lunatic could mow down a bunch of people, Like,

(03:18:38):
what am I gonna do?

Speaker 2 (03:18:40):
What? What? Then? Right? And then if you're too If yeah,
then you're the one who gets killed.

Speaker 8 (03:18:45):
Or do I do I become a soapbox guyde? Do
I do I stop what I'm doing and devote my
life to pulling back the curtain? Do I join a
secret and live with this sickening truth that I know
about my government in America? That do I?

Speaker 2 (03:19:05):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (03:19:05):
I'm not thrilled with the American government and our leaders
and all that, But like, if I believe that they're
killing our own citizens intentionally, my god, then what what
do I do. Do I apply for citizenship somewhere else?
Do I try to muster some like sect to foment insurrection,

(03:19:27):
to stage a coup? What am I supposed to do?
What do I do? Does anyone give a fuck that
I know? This?

Speaker 2 (03:19:36):
Am I the guy?

Speaker 4 (03:19:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:19:38):
So do you think the government is in on it?

Speaker 4 (03:19:42):
Flip a coin.

Speaker 2 (03:19:42):
Yes, that's what he's saying. He doesn't want to get
doesn't want to We all love to flirt and try
to find out just enough to where you almost get
to that point you're like, let me fall back a
little bit. This is getting a little too Yeah, I'm
getting a little too loney about it.

Speaker 4 (03:19:54):
To me, it's like I am the ultimate optimist when
it comes to like bat like, kind of like Burt
when Bert's like, people die, but maybe I don't die.
I'm not that dramatic, but I'm like, these things are happening.
It's like okay, but like nothing really has ever happened
to me. I think I'm gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (03:20:11):
Like I'm kind of thirty three years in the surface,
I'm kind of moving through and I'm unscathed a little bit.

Speaker 4 (03:20:16):
All right, doesn't mean somebody should go do something but
it's super interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:20:23):
All this shit is.

Speaker 4 (03:20:24):
And I'm not taking away from anybody, like obviously people tragic,
people lost their lives. It's I'm not I know we're
trying to like joke about. It's not fucking funny, so
don't laugh.

Speaker 2 (03:20:32):
But no, I don't think we're joking about that. It's
just because my life's worked out really damn good.

Speaker 4 (03:20:40):
Yeah, and it's like people are like, hey, Taylor, this
man thing can happen. I'm like, maybe, but I think
I'm gonna be all right, and it kind of sometimes
for the most part, works out right.

Speaker 8 (03:20:48):
I enjoy whoever they are killing is in person. We're
not having to compete with anymore.

Speaker 4 (03:20:55):
So like you said that, Francis Ellis said that whoever.

Speaker 8 (03:20:59):
They're killing, and I'm not it's the Bourbon street people,
but like whoever they deem if that's giving me, you know,
more job opportunities, by all means, I don't think I.

Speaker 2 (03:21:09):
Want to say that what you're saying, No, that's your
idea of what I said. I, however, did not say that.
Ah Okay, I'm just saying sometimes I look at these
crazy things and I'm like, that's fucking nuts.

Speaker 4 (03:21:21):
But then I think to myself, it's gonna be all.

Speaker 2 (03:21:23):
Right, Francs. Francis is like style and blogs on us
are in real time. Right now, you're explaining yours in
like the fourth grade level. He's he's explaining Harvard level. Yeah,
Harvard level. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:21:34):
So I'm putting all I'm just putting all the smoke
on him.

Speaker 4 (03:21:37):
All all that to be said, I think conspiracy theories
are fun to look into. Yeah, they're fun, they're exciting.

Speaker 2 (03:21:43):
Could they be true? Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:21:44):
I your kernel analogy that was real nice, and then there's
a small little piece in there that's like, Okay, there's
probably some truth that turned into something. But to know everything,
I feel like it would cause you to go mad.

Speaker 2 (03:21:54):
Yes. So basically what I said was, we're on the
same pit. How about the Fox Sports one? I don't
know if we should even talk about that.

Speaker 8 (03:22:01):
Wow, we just fucking poked holes in the truth of
a fifteen person terrorist attack. But you know, joy having
sex with her coworkers.

Speaker 2 (03:22:11):
It's too hot to handle, so talk about woman like
moving ahead.

Speaker 4 (03:22:17):
As long as we say that, they could get us
with us saying the things we just said about that stuff.
It's like, oh, we're probably being sensitive in a lot
of ways, but we're also aware.

Speaker 2 (03:22:26):
That we're being insensitive.

Speaker 4 (03:22:27):
If we start going at Joy or whoever, they could
sue us.

Speaker 2 (03:22:31):
I'm just saying, how about it crazy?

Speaker 8 (03:22:33):
Wait, I'm just saying, wait, wait, hold on a second.
If you posit things under a hypothetical or like I
think this might have happened, they can't sue you, right,
they can't sue you for libel or slander or whatever.
And by the way, the laws have become incredibly difficult

(03:22:57):
to prove libel. And now it's it's the case that
if if you, if you sue someone for libel, uh,
you have to prove that they knowingly and willingly presented
a mistruth when they knew it was a lie. So

(03:23:18):
like if a paper wrote like Taylor Lawan is a terrorist,
and you sued that paper, you'd have to find some
email from the guy who wrote the article to his
editor being like, I'm going to publish this even though
I'm making the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (03:23:35):
Up, so we're safe, is what you're saying.

Speaker 8 (03:23:38):
Yeah, us being like uh, us being like a Fox
Sports is crazy. Like, according to what I've read, Joy
and Acho and all these people were in some weird
sexual kind of power tug of war struggle that some
other poor young woman got caught up in and and

(03:24:00):
you know, was silenced and offered crazy money for and
like you know, even if we offered some takes on that.
The other part of it is like, you guys are
a humorous podcast. You're probably protected under parody law, which
is to say we are kidding law, we're kidding, or
we can do so we can say whatever we want
that we're kidding.

Speaker 2 (03:24:18):
We're just kidding. Yes, that's you're safe.

Speaker 4 (03:24:21):
All right, we'll go first.

Speaker 8 (03:24:23):
That's my understanding the law.

Speaker 2 (03:24:24):
I think it's wild number one. It's like, you know,
something big comes out on a big corporation. We all
feed on drama and all this chaos. I think it's
funny that all of this stuff is coming out with
Acho involved, because he hasn't tweeted like the last day.
So it's like you're sitting back with your popcorn ready
to see how all these defendants, the the White exec,

(03:24:44):
Joy Taylor, how they're all going to respond to it.
But it makes me think about you ever seen the
did I Did I ask you this? Last night? The
Morning Show?

Speaker 8 (03:24:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:24:52):
On Apple Plus. I feel like that right, there is
the show that gives you a look inside what is
the morning corporate media. These the corporate media companies. It's
basically like Steve Fritz, all the power structure, people sleeping
with other people, blackmail, just all the stuff that we
all gravitate towards in like Netflix series. It's happening right

(03:25:13):
now with Fox Sports one, and everybody's kind of like
waiting to see how they're going to respond to all this,
because clearly all the legal documentation has come out from
this from this woman who's came out about everything on
Skip Bayless Trey Panger one point five million dollars, that's
all out there now, and everyone speculating videos are getting
deleted from profiles, people are trying to use old videos
to show all the different things the internet's doing, what

(03:25:33):
the Internet's doing, And I'm like sitting back kind of
like waiting, like, damn, how are these people going to
respond in amidst all this chaos? Right?

Speaker 8 (03:25:42):
Look, there's a piece of this that makes this so unique,
which is that there was a woman who was involved
and knowingly involved and was using all of it for
her own benefit.

Speaker 2 (03:25:58):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (03:25:59):
It's the first time I can remember that there has
been a corporate sexual harassment story that's broken, which wasn't
almost entirely man does bad to woman and.

Speaker 2 (03:26:13):
He'll dominate it.

Speaker 8 (03:26:14):
Yeah, I think what that's what makes this riper for discussion,
for humor.

Speaker 2 (03:26:20):
See Joy was, you know, running the show. Yeah she was,
she was moving the pieces, she was playing chess.

Speaker 4 (03:26:27):
Yeah, I mean that is a very unique alternative to
what's been usually goes on. Yes, it's just gonna be
crazy to see, Like you said, how all unfolds and
then the obvious Netflix documentary is eventually gonna come out.

Speaker 2 (03:26:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, mi.

Speaker 5 (03:26:48):
Ab said nobody wanted to FuG jammel.

Speaker 2 (03:26:50):
Huh. People are so funny, who hey who here and
the on the bus and squad was sweet. Would sleep
with somebody to climb the ladder. Yeah, but dude.

Speaker 8 (03:27:07):
There is so sexually that I would not do to
some of the most unbelievably unattractive people on earth to
move forward professionally. You give me a fucking Cincinnati Bengal
and you say I have to suck this dude's toe
and I'll get one hundred grand more a year. Yeah,

(03:27:29):
I'll fucking do it. Where does this bride ethics. Ah,
get out of here, man, I'll do anything. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (03:27:37):
Would you suck dick? You know I'm sick ask you
a question? Would you suck dick? Well? There you go?
I mean there there is a line, I guess, but
I'm with you. I'm following you.

Speaker 8 (03:27:48):
But you know you got something completion. Yeah, see that's tough.
Now do I have to take it down the gullet?

Speaker 4 (03:27:55):
I'm sure you could. I'm sure it's fit.

Speaker 8 (03:27:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (03:27:58):
He gives a joke, you a little bit. Wow, but
you get a million dollar raise for text time boy?
You know?

Speaker 8 (03:28:06):
Look, I mean, fuck man? Am I crazy for like
entertaining the idea? Is that hyper gay? Or hyper motivated?

Speaker 2 (03:28:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (03:28:17):
Am I just that ambitious? Or really tired of inching
forward by posting a post three days a week and
fucking you know?

Speaker 2 (03:28:27):
Also, gag me out, dude.

Speaker 8 (03:28:29):
Yeah, yeah, you can shit on my forehead tonight if
it meant I could skip seven rungs on the ladder.
I'm tired of going the scenic route on my career.
Fucking jump me ahead if you're telling me I get
to headline Radio City Music Hall tomorrow in exchange for

(03:28:51):
one you know, post dinner dump on my forehead. Fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (03:28:56):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 8 (03:28:58):
I'll get down there. I don't have that much integrity.
Yeah whatever, you heard it here first?

Speaker 2 (03:29:06):
Yeah whatever, Yeah, man, I don't think i'd uh. Those
are my couple of topics. Hot, hot, it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (03:29:13):
They dump on the forehead, though, for money, that doesn't
seem like a bad deal.

Speaker 8 (03:29:17):
No, that's somehow less bad than than sucking a dick.

Speaker 2 (03:29:21):
Somehow, that's obviously. Yeah, obvious.

Speaker 8 (03:29:25):
Is that obvious?

Speaker 2 (03:29:26):
Yeah, you take a shower, You're done. Think about it, man,
same with blowing a guy action the completion. What's the
old phrase?

Speaker 4 (03:29:32):
Do you can paint a thousand paintings? Never be called
a painter? You stuck one piece her cocks.

Speaker 8 (03:29:36):
I thought you were going to say you can paint
a thousand paintings, and you've still sucked a dick.

Speaker 4 (03:29:40):
There's that too, Yeah, right, and nothing. If that's your thing.
If you want to suck, good for you. That's not
my something.

Speaker 8 (03:29:46):
Back, We'll think of this. How many men out there
have sucked a dick for no money?

Speaker 2 (03:29:52):
M great, I'm.

Speaker 8 (03:29:53):
Getting paid a million dollars. I'm the richest blow jobber
there ever was right, you know, kudos to me.

Speaker 4 (03:30:02):
There is that point.

Speaker 2 (03:30:03):
That's a great point.

Speaker 8 (03:30:04):
I set my price.

Speaker 2 (03:30:05):
I did it on my terms.

Speaker 4 (03:30:07):
That mouth's not for free. Let me ask you this
about filatio. Isn't it kind of obvious that men would
be the best at it? Anyway about it?

Speaker 8 (03:30:20):
I think that's like, uh, that's what we all used
to say, used to say, what do you mean? Well,
it's like the idea.

Speaker 2 (03:30:28):
That I know what I want exactly right. I know
how I would do it to myself.

Speaker 4 (03:30:33):
Since you hit puberty and you realize that this thing
is not just for ping and you could mess with
it yourself, and you know, you can go through a
long goon session or however you're crunch for time on
an elevator or something like that. I gotta get this
out quick. I'm thinking too differently. I need to be
clear in the head. You know how to get that
done quickly. Now, it's probably similar to the same thing
that you probably go through if you want to get
things firing.

Speaker 8 (03:30:54):
Look, I A gooning is so funny, jelking all these terms.
Have you heard of these things?

Speaker 4 (03:31:01):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, we're very advanced.

Speaker 2 (03:31:04):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (03:31:05):
I love these fucking terms.

Speaker 2 (03:31:07):
This is such a this podcast, this one specifically, Yeah,
we do best.

Speaker 8 (03:31:15):
One contrary, contrary to what I may have just hinted at,
I actually have no I don't know if men buy
and large categorically are better at giving blowjobs than women.
What I would say just saying I know what I want,
so clearly I would be able to blow myself better
than a woman. Women have done things with me that

(03:31:38):
I wouldn't have ever imagined of, and I'm like, Wow,
that's new.

Speaker 2 (03:31:45):
I didn't know. I like that.

Speaker 8 (03:31:46):
That's deranged. That stems from a poor relationship with her father.
I have a great relationship with my dad. Maybe that
would hold me back from maybe making my mass scare
run from blowing myself, you know what I mean, treating
my mouth like a vagina, Like I don't know, I

(03:32:11):
don't I don't know what to say about that. That
would be my take, So.

Speaker 2 (03:32:19):
On the internet, go ahead and read it.

Speaker 7 (03:32:23):
Charm on the whole this comes from Dylan said, on
the whole, I'd say men give the better blow job
because not only do they know what they'd like, any
mansucking a dick is doing it because they genuinely enjoy it,
whether it's just for the act or to make you come.
I've enjoyed blowjobs off women over the years, but never

(03:32:43):
had a toe curling experience like I do when a
man sucks my dick.

Speaker 2 (03:32:48):
We're gonna have to edit that part out of the episode.
That's the part you ended out of the episode. Welcome.

Speaker 8 (03:32:56):
I mean I I can find a flaw in this.
I have a flaw in this, right, So we presume
this this guy is bisexual. Uh, I think it's probably
safe Fish to say that he doesn't have a fifty
fifty indifference to being blown by a woman or a man.

(03:33:19):
So his toe curling does that come because men are
better at it? Or because he's more turned on by
the fact that a guy is blowing him than a woman.

Speaker 2 (03:33:28):
Fair point, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (03:33:33):
That was beautiful point.

Speaker 2 (03:33:34):
Yeah, well said, Yeah, where do we go from here?

Speaker 4 (03:33:39):
How about Sas just taking a shot at me a
couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 8 (03:33:42):
I love that, and I love that I escaped Scott
free because I actually deserved too.

Speaker 4 (03:33:47):
But I was so focused on SAS's body frame and
now he was talking like that, I was like, this
is fucking nuts.

Speaker 8 (03:33:53):
Yeah, Sas Is. You have to remember he's twenty four
and has no fear of offering some theories and opinions
that are.

Speaker 4 (03:34:04):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (03:34:05):
What I didn't do.

Speaker 4 (03:34:06):
What I need to do in the next six to
eight weeks is I need to go to New York
without telling anybody. Maybe just tell you and strip down
to this like a speedo or something like that, and
go into a dark room and then you bring sass
in there. But hey, we'll do some content in here.
You close the door behind him, and I put my
hands on him for a little bit so he knows,
just so he knows.

Speaker 2 (03:34:26):
I'm not no intent, but I wanted to see it.
I want to. I want to pick him up, come
in the air a little bit, hold him down, hold
him down, say try to get out, and I'll with
one hand, I'll hold him down and I'll start.

Speaker 4 (03:34:38):
A time around my phone. I'm like, you have one
minute and just see how long it takes him to
squirm his way out of there. Yes, yes, all that
while just wearing as minimal clothing as possible.

Speaker 8 (03:34:47):
I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (03:34:48):
I think that just is a better way of going.

Speaker 2 (03:34:51):
It needs to happen, and.

Speaker 4 (03:34:52):
That's great toes my this is SaaS. Yes that then
those nipples are insane, but a little bit of.

Speaker 2 (03:35:08):
Would you would you say, what did you say about Taylor.

Speaker 8 (03:35:10):
And that we call we call that the National geographic filter?
Would you say a little bit? Well, then I yeah,
because then I realized how stupid what I'd said was.
So Fights has been quietly like working out as if
he's you know, training for buds training or something like

(03:35:30):
he's and he and he sent me a workout that
he had done and I tried to go through it
top the bottom. First of all, it took me like
an hour and a half. And I'm not like screwing
around on my phone, taking long water breaks, nothing. I'm
going as kind of as quickly as I can. And
it was all like super sets, you know, different body parts,

(03:35:55):
and he was like yeah, and he kind of just
said it wasn't that hard for him, and I that
was It was on the heels of that that I
made the comment of I was like, I think Fights
might be the strongest guy at the company at this point,
and I think, I said, maybe maybe even stronger than Taylor,
And then Sas was like, oh, he's definitely stronger than that,

(03:36:16):
and I was like then I was then I was like,
I don't I don't know about that. And then I realized,
I don't think I don't think fights. I don't think
anyone's stronger than Taylor.

Speaker 2 (03:36:27):
No, I don't think anybody is.

Speaker 4 (03:36:29):
It's a low bar. What do you mean at the
company a barstool. It's it's like, I'm not but but but.

Speaker 2 (03:36:35):
You're also strong. I think you're just like not.

Speaker 4 (03:36:37):
But to their point, I am not as strong as
I used to be, not even close to as strong as.

Speaker 2 (03:36:41):
I used to be.

Speaker 8 (03:36:42):
Fair, but let me ask you this, Like, let's say
that you you know, you didn't have any injury reasons
for preventing you and the fucking you know, Ravens called
you tomorrow and said, like we need you for wild
Card weekend or whatever or like week you know, the
visional playoffs. How quickly can you be game ready?

Speaker 4 (03:37:05):
Well, that's a difficult question because I'm fifty sixty pounds
less than I usually am. Yeah, but if it was
like look at that, Yeah, that's a unit right there,
hit the backside on him, showing the backside. I mean, dude,
if there was no injury issues, yeah, I'd be able.

Speaker 2 (03:37:24):
I'd be next year.

Speaker 4 (03:37:25):
Pull up a photo of Richie incognito. You want to see.

Speaker 8 (03:37:29):
Said that, fuck you have. He's a fucking terrifying body.

Speaker 4 (03:37:33):
But there's no injury issues.

Speaker 2 (03:37:35):
Go and play.

Speaker 4 (03:37:36):
Yeah, I mean that would be. That's just a unit
of a man. That's a guy that you hnd him
one hundred ft pound dumbells. Don't tell him what the
way it is and say do twenty he'll do twenty
of curls.

Speaker 2 (03:37:48):
Yeah, bench press, curl whatever.

Speaker 8 (03:37:49):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 4 (03:37:50):
I don't know if he ain't curling, but he is just
and that's a bad that's a fat that's a fat
richie photo.

Speaker 2 (03:37:57):
That's gotta be.

Speaker 4 (03:37:59):
I don't know, but he is maybe the strongest human
being I've ever been around in my entire life.

Speaker 8 (03:38:05):
Yeah, try Ritchie incognito, shirtless oil, very little clothing. That'll
give us a better idea. I was kidding, but that's good.

Speaker 2 (03:38:19):
I mean he's a tank.

Speaker 8 (03:38:20):
Yeah he is a Yeah, he's.

Speaker 4 (03:38:22):
A fucking tank.

Speaker 2 (03:38:23):
That's a tough photo. Wen do a TMZ photo.

Speaker 8 (03:38:27):
So okay, Yeah, it wouldn't wait wise, it would be
an issue, but be an issue.

Speaker 4 (03:38:33):
Yeah, I'd be able to play.

Speaker 2 (03:38:35):
I mean, if there wasn't angels, I'd still be playing.

Speaker 8 (03:38:37):
What would be your prep over two weeks to get
game ready from this day. No, uh, no injury issues
at all. Like what would you do over two weeks?
Would you start eating a ton?

Speaker 2 (03:38:50):
Would you do? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:38:51):
My playing left tackle? Yeah, then I'd have to eat
an exorbitan amount of food. I would have to have
three to four shots of olive oil a day because
that's just calories. I would have three heavy calorie dense
meals along with.

Speaker 2 (03:39:06):
Three shakes as well.

Speaker 4 (03:39:07):
And I bet you can gain shot proby can get
thirty pounds in two weeks. Forty pounds maybe.

Speaker 8 (03:39:14):
And you're doing that while you're also doing like footwork,
drills and lifting.

Speaker 4 (03:39:20):
Yeah, that's gonna be a hard balance when you're taking
that many calories. Yeah, but yeah, I would have to do.

Speaker 2 (03:39:26):
Probably running.

Speaker 4 (03:39:27):
I think running I would do the most of because, like,
I'm not as strong as I was, But if I
had to compete for sixty minutes, conditioning would be a
huge issue right now, So I would probably do as
much conditioning as possible. I'd be obviously super rusty too
pass blocking, but I think I picked that up halfway
through the second.

Speaker 8 (03:39:44):
We did a thing with Justin Pugh, me and Dana
beers had him and he told me that, you know,
he retired, and then the next year in the playoffs,
the forty nine ers called him, I think, and we're like, hey,
we've had some in can you can you come? And
he was, you know, twenty five thirty pounds under the

(03:40:06):
weight that he was playing at. But he he was
never that big at his position and was just you know,
kind of quick, and so he was like he was
able to get there and uh felt like he could
have gone in and wasn't like that far off. No shit, Yeah,
so he actually went Yeah, he was on the team.

Speaker 2 (03:40:27):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (03:40:29):
Yeah, that's an interesting question.

Speaker 8 (03:40:30):
These types of shirts don't flatter me. I look like
I have man boobs. I don't have man boobs.

Speaker 2 (03:40:36):
It's all right. I think he looked great, and it
looks like I think he looked good. There. You obviously
have thho going on, but I feel like, did he
hard on?

Speaker 8 (03:40:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. These gyms are chilly?

Speaker 2 (03:40:48):
These are how small is that gym is at the
smallest gym ever.

Speaker 8 (03:40:51):
It's just one of those places in New York that's
for like personal training exclusively got you.

Speaker 2 (03:40:56):
It was all we could kind of get well.

Speaker 4 (03:40:58):
What's it like trying to exercise in a place like
New York Because I walk around there and I'm just
thinking to myself, there's so much stuff going on, and
they'll just see a big Planet Fitness in the corner.

Speaker 2 (03:41:07):
Yeah, it's just that do you go there or do
you like do what? The personal things like? I don't
go to Planet Members. I go to Lifetime.

Speaker 8 (03:41:16):
It's like in my building, luckily, and I try to
just go at like off hours.

Speaker 2 (03:41:21):
Lifetime is a nice spot.

Speaker 8 (03:41:22):
Lifetime is nice. Yeah, well put together. Yeah, I like
their I like their situation. Luckily, it's actually included in
my rent, so I don't even have to.

Speaker 2 (03:41:31):
Pay for it.

Speaker 4 (03:41:32):
You were saying while we were at Surviving Barcel that
you'd like taking your health super seriously. What are the
things you've changed?

Speaker 8 (03:41:39):
Well, you know, one of the big things that I've
really taken up that I enjoy is cooking. And I
like cooking really clean, really simple, and I find it
like makes me in the same way that doing laundry.
I find that these types of like household chores make

(03:42:01):
me feel regimented, productive, structured, and like I'm taking care
of myself. So I like that a lot. Being outside
being like getting getting out of the city and going
up to my place up state and just walking in
the woods. Would not I leave my phone in the car.

(03:42:23):
If anyone passes away, I won't be there. But that's
a risk I'm willing to take for a two hour
walk through the woods. Yeah, just like listening to the
fucking wind leaves all that shit and thinking, you know,
and then yeah, a lot of it is like you know,

(03:42:44):
when I catching myself now when spiraling thoughts start and
realizing like, okay, this thought pattern is not productive. And
typically before I would just like follow it all the
way to the bottom, and now I'm like, let's let's

(03:43:05):
hit the pause, let's like go in another direction, let's
recognize what's happening here and make a change.

Speaker 4 (03:43:13):
How did you, like, obviously you said you follow it
all of it on the bottom. At what point did
you realize you would do that? And then how did
you how do you Essentially, somebody who's listening to this
podcast right now, they're thinking to themselves, oh, I have
the same issue. How did you construct a way to
where you could see yourself heading towards the cliff and
being able to divert to go a different direction.

Speaker 8 (03:43:32):
There were I mean, there's a couple of things, you know.
First of all, therapy, uh two, I finally decided to
go on medication. I went on well buttrin, which is
like a pretty common antidepressant. And then I haven't been
able to really stick with the meditation stuff, but I've

(03:43:54):
done a few few things. And one of the things
I remember taking with me from some of it was
that you know, negative thoughts and distracted thoughts are gonna
come through your brain. Don't try to stop them. Don't
say like, ah, fuck, I've lost focus, I've lost my

(03:44:15):
positive energy or whatever. Just let them flow and then
flow out. Look at it. The analogy they used was like,
think of the brain waves, or your brain is like
a road where there's traffic and there's cars driving by,
and instead of trying to like kick those cars off
the road, just watch them go by and then reset

(03:44:37):
your focus. And it's totally fine being able to like
recognize the negative thoughts that I was having and not
be like not giving them so much weight and not
succumbing to them, but rather just being like, eh, that's no,

(03:44:57):
that's not right, that's a that's you know, just something
I need to like process and and and move on
from uh. And sometimes I'll even do it out loud
if I'm alone, which sounds crazy, But if I'm I'm
like really kind of churning the wheels and just in
a negative place, I'll just like find myself being like, stop,

(03:45:19):
this is bullshit, you know, let's let's go in another direction,
let's move forward whatever, like think of something positive, you know.
And just finding that ability to like, uh make quick
adjustments and like you know, patch up as I say,
like engine malfunctions is a major step in the right

(03:45:41):
direction for me.

Speaker 2 (03:45:44):
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Speaker 8 (03:45:46):
Yeah, I have to go to the bathroom. I had
to piss so bad.

Speaker 2 (03:45:51):
Go pee.

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Speaker 1 (03:47:04):
Game time.

Speaker 2 (03:47:07):
We're good, right, Yeah, dude, I wonder if I wonder
if Brabe's gonna go to the Patriots. You saw the Jets.
I saw the Jets interviewed. Yeah, but I don't think
I don't want to go. Yeah, I want to go
to the Jets at all. I don't think he will.
I think he just he hits the interview to let her,
but I know he's in the circuit. Yeah yeah, are you?
Are you a ball guy at all?

Speaker 5 (03:47:25):
You?

Speaker 2 (03:47:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (03:47:26):
I just let me just I'm going to miss my flight,
so I'm just going to tell them to rebook me.

Speaker 2 (03:47:31):
Oh do you need a roll?

Speaker 8 (03:47:33):
I've missed it, so I don't care. It was worth it.
It was worth it. Who gives a ship?

Speaker 2 (03:47:37):
All right? Sorry about that? Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (03:47:40):
No company, We're so sorry, We're so sorry.

Speaker 8 (03:47:45):
Man, Just let me.

Speaker 2 (03:47:47):
I'm going to miss What time was the flight? Yeah? Yeah,
what time was it? It's one he can make that.
I don't.

Speaker 8 (03:47:58):
I don't even want to.

Speaker 2 (03:47:59):
It's yeah, you make that.

Speaker 8 (03:48:03):
I'm sure it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (03:48:04):
I don't care because he's like, how long are they usually?
I was like, probably like ninety minutes. But little did
we know we're gonna have an absolute banger of an episode.

Speaker 8 (03:48:11):
I'm glad to hear it.

Speaker 4 (03:48:12):
A bunch of different Twist interns too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was honestly awesome hearing all the stories.

Speaker 8 (03:48:15):
Yeah, it's fun to I mean, it's so weird to
tell it all that quickly because it makes me realize
that my time in the at Barstool especially has been
fucking insane. Yeah, it's been utterly insane. But I wonder
how many people at this company have a similar story.

Speaker 2 (03:48:39):
Right, yeah, or they're fearing the things that you've been
through that I watched this and be like, holy fuck true.

Speaker 8 (03:48:44):
But I just feel like, you know mine, my you know,
I'm Rhea could could write a book about her journey. Uh, obviously,
Big Cat, Kevin, My god, I mean there's so many
like people for whom the last seven eyes years of
working in this place has been a thousand pages saga.

(03:49:05):
It's an odyssey.

Speaker 4 (03:49:06):
Whenever Dave, Big Cat, and Kevin decide to hang it
up for real, like not just sheld another company for
a couple of years and turn it take.

Speaker 2 (03:49:13):
It all back.

Speaker 4 (03:49:14):
But if Dave, Dave, Big Cat and Kevin and then
someone to facilitate the conversation and then just tell the
story of Barstool and their ins and outs and their things,
because it'd be interesting, yeah to hear that really funny.

Speaker 8 (03:49:29):
Yeah, So before you the episode, you called Dave to
ask him a question, and I said, what it would
take for me to call Dave on the phone is
so bad that like even seeing you do that casually
is just baffling to me. It's like you have a
direct line to the Emperor. And my correspondence with Dave

(03:49:53):
historically has either been because he's about to fire me,
I have to tell him something horrible has happened and
we need to get ahead of it, or like, you know,
it's not it's like using break in case of emergency
is how I get on the phone to call Dave.

Speaker 2 (03:50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:50:11):
With one exception lately, which was during the show, you know,
they they showed me telling Dave that I had the idol,
and they omitted a lot of information, which was that
I did so because I saw that someone had gone
through my bag and I was consulting with him to
ask him about it, and I blogged about this and

(03:50:34):
then Dave agreed and was very kind of vocal about it,
and he was like, I don't know why they didn't
include that, and he started texting me about it, and
he was like texting me a lot, and he sent
more text to me about this and being like he
was texting me as if he was like my buddy
and being like, yeah, I don't know why they didn't
include that I thought that was a pretty good angle.

(03:50:56):
I mean, the fact that you, you know, gave me
the idol is like an important piece of the show
and this made you look kind of stupid, which I
didn't agree with. And then he's like, what do you
think of this? Like that got that?

Speaker 2 (03:51:04):
And I'm like, what's happening right now?

Speaker 8 (03:51:08):
Like are you? Are you about to fire me? And
and you know, I was like trying to just hold
it together and text him back, and it was he
sent me more texts in that exchange than we have
ever texted each other total in the seven years that
I've known him.

Speaker 4 (03:51:23):
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Speaker 2 (03:51:29):
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Speaker 8 (03:51:38):
I can it.

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(03:52:22):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (03:52:23):
Would you rather play a villain that dies and win
an oscar for the performance or a hero and never
win an oscar but have a trilogy as that character?

Speaker 8 (03:52:34):
Is this to me?

Speaker 2 (03:52:36):
Yeah, for all of us, the trilogy really throws us
off because it was super easy until you got to
the trilogy.

Speaker 4 (03:52:44):
See I don't think it, don't I don't think so.
Not for me. That's a villain win an oscar all
the way. The amount of opportunity that comes from that,
the ability to do things. Then after that, maybe you
become a hero, do something else. But to have an
Oscar in your hand, on your shelf and to achieve
a one sent of one percent thing in the acting world,
is that's it?

Speaker 2 (03:53:04):
That's the answer, yeah, but a trilogy, Yeah, but you Yeah,
I think.

Speaker 8 (03:53:08):
The implication here is that if you if you do
have a trilogy as a superhero, you're making oodles of money,
and that I guess we'd have to assume playing one
role as a villain winning an oscar. Maybe it's like
or of an indie film. I think I think we
should take a license to like divide the two and
say that the villain role does not come with the
lifetime fuck you money that the trilogy does.

Speaker 4 (03:53:26):
Right, all right, Yeah, that's a great pivot because I'm
gonna go with the trilogy hero.

Speaker 8 (03:53:31):
Yes, clear, there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:53:33):
It's never been more clear to there you go. Even
before you say that. No, I don't think so. I
think it is super easy villains Oscar.

Speaker 4 (03:53:38):
Performance nuts because yeah, I wasn't aware of the indie thing.

Speaker 8 (03:53:45):
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to be an indie.
But like that, to me more more interestingly kind of
bifurcates the question, So come on, what's you motherfucker did
for a little bit with those words, bifer Kate is like,
I think divides it into like two more different options.

Speaker 2 (03:54:07):
Yeah, divide into two branches or forks, you almost nail that.

Speaker 8 (03:54:11):
Yeah, he's because I want to, like I want to,
I want to make this harder. Do you know what
I mean? Because if you're saying, like, you win an
Oscar as a villain, but the movie grosses a billion
dollars and you make forty million bucks from that, versus
playing a trilogy no Oscar, but you make I don't know,

(03:54:33):
one hundred million more money, I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:54:35):
Yeah, Like if you're considered Captain America forever.

Speaker 8 (03:54:37):
It's like, I think the answer is obviously the villain
because you get the money and you get the respect. Yeah,
but if it's an indie film, you make five hundred grand,
but you get an Oscar versus you know, John Wick
or Captain America or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:54:54):
Jason Bourne.

Speaker 8 (03:54:55):
I don't know that winning an Oscar necessarily lends or
leads to gigantic film options and success the way that
maybe it once did, because there's people winning Oscars now
who you never even fucking heard of, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:55:10):
Okay, so the Oscar.

Speaker 4 (03:55:11):
Are you saying the water down market for the Oscar.

Speaker 8 (03:55:13):
Well, not so much. I still I think it still
carries the same cachet and is very well respected and
is Baller. Having it on your shelf is sick. But
is it sick if it's on a shelf of a
split level ranch house in a shitty neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (03:55:29):
Yeah, yeah, that would be wild. You give me the trilogy?
What are you taking, Francis, it's hard. Yeah. I think
in just a sake of making movies, like taking out
the fame and the money with it. I just feel
like having a trilogy would be sick.

Speaker 4 (03:55:46):
I mean you got to think about the career too, Like, okay,
take the money part out. Let's say you win an
Oscar the that's the pinnacle right of that best actor Oscar.
If you have the trilogy and you want to continue
your acting career, there's that worry that you might forever
be just seen as.

Speaker 2 (03:56:02):
Batman if that's what you care about. But if I'm
seeing as Batman and I love.

Speaker 4 (03:56:07):
Him, what I kind of said, I was thinking to myself,
it's not a bad thing to be thought of as Batman.
As soon as Batman came out of my mouth, I
was like, fuck, that's everywhere you go to Batman.

Speaker 2 (03:56:15):
Yeah, they just say, oh, will come the King, say
that line? Why do you want to kill me?

Speaker 4 (03:56:19):
Oh my god, he fucking does it. It's how good
of an actor he is. I can't believe he didn't
win an Oscar.

Speaker 8 (03:56:24):
Would you rather be Vin Diesel or you know Adrian Brody?

Speaker 2 (03:56:32):
Who's Adrian? Who's Adrian?

Speaker 8 (03:56:33):
He won for the Pianist. He's okay, this guy, he's
always kind of like this, sad sort of.

Speaker 4 (03:56:41):
I'd rather be him.

Speaker 8 (03:56:43):
Interesting. You'd have to know that Vin Diesel, thanks to
making Fast four hundred is just barely has to work,
and like.

Speaker 2 (03:56:53):
He has to, he doesn't have to.

Speaker 8 (03:56:54):
He doesn't doesn't have to work, but like he doesn't
even need to read scripts. He knows his next job
is the next Fast movie and then after that another Fast.

Speaker 4 (03:57:03):
I think your example of the two actors one I've
seen The Pianist. I think it's a great movie. It
is I didn't know who that guy was. And I
kind of like the uh, the multiple the multiple dimensions
of an actor of like having like range.

Speaker 2 (03:57:16):
I think that's so cool.

Speaker 4 (03:57:18):
Vin Diesel.

Speaker 2 (03:57:20):
I don't like Fasting nothing, but I think the Fast
and Fierce movies are terrible, terrible, every single one.

Speaker 4 (03:57:25):
When I saw you didn't like when I saw when
I saw somebody I don't remember which one it was
going a head on head collision, fly through the air,
across the whole entire highway land on another car, and
then go like this and kept well sure, I was
like this ship, it's not for me. It never sparked
my interest. I was never about it, right, So, based

(03:57:46):
on those two actors, I'd rather the guy I can't
remember his name already.

Speaker 8 (03:57:49):
Adrian Brody. I don't even think well, Heath Ledger, I
don't think. I don't think you can add Heath Fledger
to the other side, because Heath Ledger has had you know,
Indie Oscar success, but he's also had major blockbus for success.
And to that same thought, I don't think you can
add Christian Bale, who you could argue is an incredibly versatile,
role changing, shifting actor who's able to dive into completely

(03:58:11):
different roles and be nominated for an Oscar every year. However,
he had the trilogy as Batman, which grows him tons
of money.

Speaker 2 (03:58:18):
True. True, But for our simple brains, if you just
if we're just talking Batman, would you want to be
Christian Bale or would you want to be Heath Ledger.
I'd rather be Heath Ledger. Well, without dying.

Speaker 8 (03:58:30):
He's dead.

Speaker 2 (03:58:30):
Yes, do I have to die? Yeah? But this is
the only movies we make. You're in one, if you're
Heath Ledger, I would rather be Chriet. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:58:38):
But but the one I'm in, everyone's like, that's the
best one because of the villain.

Speaker 8 (03:58:44):
Yeah, but the others are still pretty fucking.

Speaker 4 (03:58:45):
Good, no doubt, no doubt that is that.

Speaker 8 (03:58:49):
I think this is a great distillation of the question.
I think this is an unbelievable we know, just boiling
it down. We've boiled it down to a perfect example
kind of I'll let.

Speaker 2 (03:59:02):
You know what the definition. So who would you rather be? I? I, oh, yeah, yeah,
you've you've nailed it.

Speaker 8 (03:59:15):
Boiled it down. I said, yeah. So, by wait, I'm
never gonna get one of these words wrong, So we
don't have to do this. You're just gonna have to
trust that I have it.

Speaker 4 (03:59:28):
Right, literally, a confidence thing like that.

Speaker 2 (03:59:31):
I actually just trust you. Now, if you want again,
I'll tell you and we don't need to double check.

Speaker 5 (03:59:38):
Fair enough.

Speaker 4 (03:59:38):
That was so fucking stupid to me. I'll never do
that again. By the way, I'll never get one of
these wrong.

Speaker 2 (03:59:45):
Would you rather have this?

Speaker 8 (03:59:47):
This is hard? This is hard?

Speaker 2 (03:59:51):
Great twisted question, Mitch, I would say, I would say that.

Speaker 8 (04:00:00):
I'm gonna go Heath Ledger. And I think it's because
nobody really says the Batman movies were great because of
how well Christian Bale played Batman. The Batman movies were
great because of how well Christian Bale acted in that role.
That's not really what people say.

Speaker 4 (04:00:20):
The movies are great, and he does well in the.

Speaker 8 (04:00:22):
He does great, but there may have been other actors
who would have serviced that role. Well, no, not him,
But there's a reason they also keep rebooting Batman and
like Robert Pattinson did a different take of it but
was great. I think. I think the reason that the
that trilogy of you know, the Dark Knight, Dark Knight

(04:00:46):
rises and Batman begins, the credit often goes to the
director and the villains and then like you know, Michael
Caine and the yeah, the music. It's like, uh, Christopher Nolan,
that it tends to be the people around Christian Bale

(04:01:07):
more than him.

Speaker 2 (04:01:10):
True leader.

Speaker 6 (04:01:10):
Let everybody up around him. Yeahed of all the actors'
careers you see right now, whose career would you want?

Speaker 8 (04:01:20):
It's hard not to say Christian Bale because he's had
the blockbuster success while also being an incredibly respected actor
for his nuance in craft.

Speaker 4 (04:01:29):
You know, I think is going to be like one
of those actors you I wish I had his career,
if I could pick a career to have eventually, Timothy Shallamane, Yeah, dude, great,
he is a stunt. I mean it wasn't didn't really
watch to do but.

Speaker 2 (04:01:44):
I loved Wonka.

Speaker 8 (04:01:44):
You didn't watch Doone.

Speaker 2 (04:01:46):
I loved Wonka.

Speaker 8 (04:01:47):
You can watch Doom.

Speaker 4 (04:01:48):
And I saw him on College get I saw him
on College game Day and I was like, this kid's
crushing it. And then I saw him on Theo's Pod
and I was like, bro, No, his approach, Bro, his
approach is insane.

Speaker 8 (04:01:58):
If you like him, now your your adulation of him
after seeing.

Speaker 4 (04:02:07):
No, No, don't do that. Just have to have him tell.

Speaker 8 (04:02:09):
Adulation is reverence. It's you know, praise and deep.

Speaker 2 (04:02:15):
Yeah, there you go, excessive admiration, praise there it is
it is.

Speaker 4 (04:02:19):
You got no, you got one of the words right
that time. He's actually kind of gotten worse each time.

Speaker 8 (04:02:25):
I'm taking full credit for that. Reverence is like praise
all that I mean, the word that I use.

Speaker 4 (04:02:33):
I said, Chelamagne and I've seen one and a half.

Speaker 2 (04:02:36):
Of his movies and uh yeah, I funk with him. Dude.
Him on College Game Day was so impressive to me.
He's talking about college game Day and then him on
the spot.

Speaker 4 (04:02:47):
Have you seen on Theo's podcast the way he just
talks about his process and how he's gonna do everything
the best he can.

Speaker 8 (04:02:53):
He is a very weird cadence of talking that I
find compelling. Yeah, you don't, you don't even feel you
have no idea what he's gonna say next. And I
was gonna say, if you have not seen Dune and
you like him, now you you're gonna ten x that
after Dune. Both of them. I think both Dunes are

(04:03:16):
best movies I've seen.

Speaker 7 (04:03:18):
He was blessed by.

Speaker 2 (04:03:21):
His success to it than.

Speaker 8 (04:03:25):
I love Tom Holland. I do love Tom Holland. There's
there's something about when he when he does interviews and
you hear his British accent where you're like, what he's
that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:03:41):
I know.

Speaker 8 (04:03:42):
I like their relationship. He's shorter than she is. He
doesn't care beautiful shorting.

Speaker 2 (04:03:48):
It works.

Speaker 4 (04:03:49):
Also, I love like the little clips of him, just
like kind of giving away spoilers on like Instagram lives
and stuff like that. Like his innocence about him is beautiful.

Speaker 8 (04:03:57):
I do love that he as have walked away from
the game for like two years, just was like, I'm
not in a place where I want to do this
right now. And he plays a ton of golf. He's
really good at it. Charming, boyish, boyish. Love him. Who's
that guy, Jake Jillenhall. He is incredible, He's amazing.

Speaker 4 (04:04:17):
I like him, A great career, prisoner, phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (04:04:20):
Movie haunting, almost tough to get through. Have kids. Yeah,
you will not ever want to watch that movie again.
But he is so fucking that kid's good too.

Speaker 8 (04:04:31):
He did that one and then he did the one.
Uh I can't remember the name of it, but where
he was like the murder detective who would show up
to film.

Speaker 2 (04:04:38):
Oh, Nightcrawler.

Speaker 4 (04:04:41):
No, I did not name. I didn't like that name.

Speaker 2 (04:04:45):
That's a good one too, explain to me. Let me
think of seven though, Yeah, yeah, it Seven's amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:04:53):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (04:04:53):
Nightcrawler is him being a little bit more like he's
succumbing to ticks he's got. There's more of like a
off putting acting in it. But it is him as
driven and as like possessed as he is?

Speaker 2 (04:05:08):
And uh, what was the series on Apple? Plus he
just did presumed Innisce.

Speaker 8 (04:05:12):
Yeah, pretty good. I would give that a B plus.
I didn't love it. Oh, I don't like the ending. No,
I actually thought the ending I didn't see coming was good.
I just thought, you know, would she really fucking stand
by him through all this? Are you kidding me? You
know he's being like, I haven't seen it. Oh, yeah,

(04:05:34):
good show.

Speaker 5 (04:05:35):
There was.

Speaker 4 (04:05:35):
Plus, there was seems like the way in the way
he speaks, like you know, he's got high standards of Yeah, yeah, yeah,
what's Titanic?

Speaker 8 (04:05:44):
What's my take on it?

Speaker 2 (04:05:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (04:05:45):
Love it?

Speaker 2 (04:05:46):
Okay, good, just making sure.

Speaker 8 (04:05:47):
I haven't seen it in a while, but yeah, love it.

Speaker 4 (04:05:50):
I didn't want you to be the guy that has
like there's like wildly loved movies but you're like it's
actually garbage.

Speaker 8 (04:05:55):
No, No, I thought, I mean I iconic, genre changing,
you know, beautiful movie.

Speaker 2 (04:06:01):
Yeah, to have that kind of love.

Speaker 8 (04:06:04):
It's also it's also the last movie where Leo has
that kind of like innocent, youthful look where his like
his bangs are feathered and he's got this wispy hair,
and then he goes and starts doing all the dark

(04:06:24):
shit like the Departed Gangs of New York, and all
of a sudden he seems to like age ten years overnight.

Speaker 2 (04:06:30):
Look up a Leonardo DiCaprio The Quick in the Dead.

Speaker 4 (04:06:34):
I think this is a movie he did either right
before and right after Titanic.

Speaker 2 (04:06:37):
I don't mind the newer Leo, the more like grizzled.

Speaker 8 (04:06:41):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (04:06:42):
Yeah, he looks like a sweet sweet boy, sweet sweet
boy with a six shooter in his hand, delivers papers
on the side. Just believe the kid right now, Kid
of the Dream. Yeah, it's it great. Have you seen
this movie? No, phenomenal movie. What's it called? The Quick
in the Dead? Very good? October? I've never seen it.
We never heard of October.

Speaker 8 (04:07:01):
You see the Basketball Diaries? No, oh my god, that's Leo.
That's a fucked up movie. This is Jillenhall as a boy.
They launch rockets in a mining town. His father wants
him to come down into the mines, get his head
on straight, but he says, I have dreams, dreams of
launching model rockets.

Speaker 2 (04:07:23):
How's it work out from.

Speaker 8 (04:07:25):
Well, Finally, his father says I in the similar way
to Billy Elliott's father seeing the light, he says, Okay,
I get it now, I get it now, I see
that this is who you truly are. Was that actor's
named Gary something? You see the guy on the left.

Speaker 4 (04:07:42):
So we do this thing called bustings right, and uh, yeah, hey,
Bray's out functioned one hundred percent. And JP will do
this thing where he like shows us athletes of different
sports besides football players. And then last week he did
actors on us and we did horribly.

Speaker 2 (04:08:03):
Yeah, it was a tough showing. I got Russell Crowe.
Eventually we had to play some wheel of fortune. Play
some wheel of fortune. Nice.

Speaker 4 (04:08:11):
Yeah, yeah, we got them.

Speaker 8 (04:08:13):
It makes sense.

Speaker 4 (04:08:14):
We definitely got them. All right, Well, how we feel.
It's been a great, great show. Thank you, Thank you
for missing your flight for us.

Speaker 8 (04:08:22):
Nothing could make me happier. This is a blast. I
I this is I was really excited to do this show.
Thank you, and uh it lived up to my hopes
and dreams.

Speaker 2 (04:08:33):
So we had a nice dinner last night.

Speaker 8 (04:08:34):
We did.

Speaker 2 (04:08:35):
We tried hanging out, but Rue just no, we just
stole Francis the entire time. She was being very selfish
that's what we want. Was like. I was like, hey,
France is going to come over for dinner, and I've
gotten charge on like some of his blogs and Charle
thinks he's funny.

Speaker 8 (04:08:48):
And she was like that is generous and wrong. She
was like, I don't care about anything.

Speaker 2 (04:08:54):
She was talking about the barstool world and yeah, but
you she she mentioned reading your blogs.

Speaker 8 (04:08:59):
I think this. You were like, she read the blog
and liked it more, and she was like, eh.

Speaker 2 (04:09:04):
No, no, no. But she was like, maybe Francis will
play scrabble with me, because I never played with her,
because it's like I'm never gonna win in scrabble against Charrow.
But we can't play scrabble because Rue wants to play
Pretty Little Princess. So we're just playing Pretty Little Princess
before he leaves.

Speaker 8 (04:09:18):
It was really fun. I got really close to winning
and then the game got away from me. I kept
I had to give the ring, the Mystery ring back,
she took the crown from me. Yeah, it was kind
of bullshit. It felt like somehow she had rigged it,
like she knew how to spin the wheel to actually
have it land on exactly what she needed. But that

(04:09:39):
takes a lot away from her. I mean she she
played well, she played well, she played a good ball game.
She played well.

Speaker 2 (04:09:44):
Yeah, got away from me. That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (04:09:46):
I glad you just had a great dinner together because
I didn't hear about to this afternoon. I'm glad you
had fun.

Speaker 2 (04:09:50):
Man. That's it. A beautiful time. Huh, good time for
some reason that was coming. You still do it every time?
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (04:10:06):
Relax man, Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 8 (04:10:11):
This is great. Yeah, thank you guys. Watch Surviving Barstool
this week is going to be unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (04:10:17):
Oh I got a text from Jeff I do die today?

Speaker 8 (04:10:19):
Oh great?

Speaker 2 (04:10:20):
Yeah about all that.

Speaker 8 (04:10:22):
So then what I would say is you should put
a spoiler alert at the beginning of this episode. Be like,
we're going to talk about surviving Barschool, and if you
have not watched today's episode, you should wait to listen
to this episode until you watched it.

Speaker 2 (04:10:36):
If you care. Smart move, smart move, smart move. We
would have got to overthinking it. Do this, we do that,
We'll just do it in the intro.

Speaker 4 (04:10:48):
Well, we're probably not gonna put in this in so
big hugs, any kisses. We'll see you guys next time.
Appreciate y'all Friant Yeah, thank you guys,

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