Matt LaFleur On Packers, Jordan Love, Vrabel stories, Ben Johnson Beef + Bussin' Reacts To NFL Draft

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another episode of Bustle with the Boys. This
is episode three twenty six, featuring Coach Matt Lafleur, the
head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Before we jump
into Coach Lafleur, here's our run of show. The Boys
dive deep into the NFL Draft. What took place? Delaney
Walker surprises us comes on the bus. So we're talking
Shader Sanders, We're talking cam Ward, We're talking all things
that happen at the NFL Draft. At fun little intro

(00:22):
with Delaney Walker, we also talk about one hundred humans
versus versus one gorilla. We dive into multitude of things.
You guys are going to enjoy this episode, and then
on the back end we have coach head Coach Matt Lafleur.
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get into this episode, shut up or chrischer Lucky. His
special is out on Netflix. Did I miss anything, Mitch?
Let's have a hell of an interview. Let's have a
hell of a podcast, and you please have a hell
of a week.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
All right, We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
You like.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Busting with the boys, hanging with the fast, betting on
a game. No moment's gonna tell us what you cannop be.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
We're here.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just drinking beer and make a n baby, I'm hanging
with the Fellers, busting with the boys.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
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dot Com slash busting. Before the episode, our boy Shiram
our producer in the back, he tossed around a cup
with names in it. We did a we did a
draw for which horse we're going to be riding with.
We want to go around and shout out, shout out

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our horse. I heard, I got a I heard I
have a veteran. The horse that I drew was a
final gambit. A year ten horse. Seems like he's a vet.
I don't know a whole lot about final game.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Let me tell you, if you horse a year ten vet,
you might as well send him to the factory.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
But he's not gonna win.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Shit like ten years is for a racing horse is crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's it from my understanding. That's a breeder. That's when
you breed.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
That's when you breed. If they've done any star, if
they have, they come out to stable bit. Hey buddy,
you gave us a long hard life. Obviously you cost
a ship. Love my horse a three year old colt
hard in the game, middle of the pack type of
guy right now, ready to make his name big in
the Kentucky Derby. That is oh in almighty, let's give
him around of applus. It's only my horse. Not to

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clap for my horse, but love with joice, love having it.
Oh in all mighty, look at the muscular structure on
this boy right here. Okay, A lot of horses you're
gonna catch in this type of pose right now. You're
not gonna see a lot of muscle. You want the
kud of those arms curled up a little bit. That's
gonna catch the horse's bicep. I don't know if he
actually have biceps or not, but this horse right here,

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and he's rocking number seven right there in that photo,
respect to seven. A lot of opportunity out there, A
lot of opportunity for oh and all mighty. I will
sprinkley aka dusting aka powdering a bet on that boy.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
A no sweat derby bet.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, I'll be doing that, and then bags putting bags
on him.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
But you all draw. Let's shout out some more of
these fantastic horses.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I got a lux or cafe. Sounds like a restaurant,
means he's gonna be eating out there.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
Nice, let's go. I got Rod Regaz aka speedy Rode
Regaz can't lose.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, any of the jet rodrigae Any and the Jets.

Speaker 8 (05:32):
Come on, I got my favorite name in the whole field.
I got the Flying Mohawk, the best name who is
jockeyed by somebody with the exact same name as me, Joseph.
Really so I'm liking we already have good team chemistry.
We might have to open up a joint bake account.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
I have to look at this horse's bloodline a little bit.
Sounds like cultural appropriation. That's okay, though, dope name.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
A lot of great things.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, had a boy.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Hey, that is a top ten awareness right there.

Speaker 9 (06:07):
We're gonna keep this one clean. I have American promise.
That's all you need to know. All you need to promise.
She he's gonna be up front. Promise you want to
ride with this guy. Steal in JP's quote earlier, no
pun intended.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Oh very nice. The boys are all dialed in, and
then Will's got a ten year old grandpa. I guess
that he's riding away.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
He might be a savage. He might be a savage.
Oh yeah, is it is it?

Speaker 8 (06:31):
Dog ears and horse ears? Do they have their own thing?

Speaker 5 (06:33):
My understand So my understanding horses is mostly in the
Western world. It would not have anything to do with thoroughbreds.
These are all thoroughbreds. Though, prime of your horse is
like three to four m sorry, two to four. That's
when you're getting your horse. That's when they're in those
like you.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Know, young twenties age. Your final gambit, how long.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
He's I bet you he's a three year old colonel? Yeah, hey, yeah,
it might be a final.

Speaker 8 (06:57):
His name this year the old horse in a game
where we saw that at Orgon.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and the horse died. Okay, there.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
He's in the to be there. Hey, you're all going
to be in that ring.

Speaker 10 (07:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's funny, like you look at the the muscular bill
on these horses. Yesterday I was scrolling around looking for
looking at those red light therapy beds. By the way,
those things cost so much money. It's unreal.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
What we need to do. I hate cutting you off,
ten X. We need to get with them in Miami.
We start working with them boys.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
In this house. Yeah, we need a plug for something
like big time. But as I was scrolling through, I
saw that there are these like red light therapy outfits
for horses. Like the way they take care of these
horses these days is insane, Like you're sitting there looking
at the horse, and it's got a full thing on
top of it, red light therapy, to where it's covering

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the entire horse's body.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
It's hilarious. That's like for a horse. Yeah, and it's
probably only for racing horses.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, I'm surprised they don't have some for dogs right now.
You know how people care about their dogs, getting them
in the red light.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I saw something. I don't know if this is real,
but I've always seen something like for two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, you can actually clone a dog. And
the only way I know that is because Tailor sent
me one one time referring to her dog, a Kira,
and I just I said, no, I mean we need
to bayon that.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
If that's really can't have that cloning your dog?

Speaker 5 (08:24):
I guess so.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
I mean that's what makes a dog so special. It's
like you have that one bond with that dog. I
don't care if it's a clone, And like you're never
gonna be able to recreate.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
That anytime any movie you ever see somebody trying to
play god, it never works, right.

Speaker 11 (08:40):
It's gonna be a very stupid question, very stupid listeners
out there you guys, before you push send on the comment,
this is going to be a very stupid question.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
You're cloning a dog, Are you getting its same brain? Hey,
that's not a dumb question because if that answer is no,
well I'm just thinking you get a chocolate lab, you
just get another chocolate lab from that same breeder, Like
it's gonna look the same.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
That's a bad example because all the same.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
You look at Kirk kirk Street's uh, the labs that
he's got, you just the rise. You have clones of
that dog.

Speaker 8 (09:15):
We're we're already doing it, you.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Know what I'm saying, Like fifty grand you could have
bought that dog in between like a that one to five.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, Kirk kurb Street. I don't know what breeder he's
going to for his retrievers, but those are good looking dogs.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
The one he had a Notre Dame back in January.
That dog was bow legged and athletic. You could just
tell he was ready or rock Yeah, something like that,
something like that. But yeah, the Kentucky Derby, you can bet,
you can bet at FanDuel it's gonna be an outstanding time.
We all got horses, We're all gonna place our bets

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on our horses. No great idea, be great idea by Shirm,
great idea by Shirm, the boys, let's give a ride,
and plus spring too. We concluded it was an amazing time.
For those of you haven't seen. We went to Oregon.
We did a bunch of stuff there. We went to Michigan,
we did the draft this past weekend, and we also

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did Nebraska. Those will be two separate blogs vlogs. Check
out seen that and those been widely accepted. Will said this,
we boys, we have the blueprint for what we want
our spring tours look like from here on out. We
have it. Like the access and the ability to keep
the locker room alive is basically a core value of
busting with the boys, and we had the ability to

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do that with no only the schools we went to,
but Oregon, a school that has essentially no affiliation with us,
allowed us to be in there like we were players
talking to the team, lifting away to the boys, getting
out at practice, coaching the cats up a little bit,
having a good time. That's the kind of shit that's
like I've said this in a pod a couple of
weeks ago, right after Oregon. But Will and I are
sitting a hot tub. I'm just saying to myself, you know,
this is it. We've officially like achieved the goal of

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keeping the things you love about football alive. And here
we are. Will's in his mid thirties. I'm you know,
young thirty young thirties, and we're eating it, having a
good time with it.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Man.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
So with that said, there's always a competition. What was
everybody's favorite's competition? Well, you know you always like you
always like are comparing. I guess there's always comparison, not competition.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, do you want to go first? Do you want
at the Boys?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean my top one is always going to be Nebraska,
you know what I mean? Like I think when looking
at the spring Tour, the blueprint that you're referring to,
it's going off of what we got to do in
organ you get in these schools, the schools that we
choose next year, which, by the way, uh, if you
guys are watching and able to comment on YouTube, let
let the boys know where we should look to go
next year. Even this fall when we go to games,
there's a couple we have locked in, but we're wide

(11:43):
open to two ideas. But with the spring tour approaching
it next year. I think it's the formula we use
that Oregon tour, you're in the mix of the competitive
part of the spring, whereas a Michigan we were there
the week of the spring game, so guys are kind
of not like fizzling out, but it's just like it's
the end of spring.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, you're kind of in a recovery part of celebratory.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Finals next week. What are we going to do for
the month of maybe when we have some off time,
So everybody's like feeling good about that. And then at
Nebraska we were there for the spring day, the spring game,
whatever you want with the scrimmage and events and everything else.
But the formula to use is what we did at Oregon,
where you're in the competitive part of the spring of
spring ball, where you get to sit in meetings, you
get to see the curiosity of the players, the competitive

(12:24):
the competitives, the competitiveness of players, and getting to do
all that where you're working out with the team, you're
at practicing the bullets flying, seeing guys actually competing for jobs.
I think that was the formula. That's the formula to
kind of use because we've kind of done the spring
game stuff. We've done the go get interviews. We kind
of got away from interviews, not like fully got away,

(12:45):
like we do an interview or two each study. Yeah,
but it was the whole focus wasn't get interviewing guys
that are at the school and around interviews and doing
a live show and everything else. It was more about
the the football side of everything, showing everybody like what
the athletes go through on it day to day basis.
I think we accomplished that. That was an a plus
at organ of So that's why I love like that

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formula that we did at orgon the most.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, if we're doing like rankings, like are we talking facilities,
it's like nobody's touching the Nebraska I don't think.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I don't think anybody touches Nebraska right now. I think
they have the best facilities out there. It's we got
in the conversation of is this too big, like.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
A state of the art building is it is insane?
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
And I love our.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Facilities when I played there, but what they have now
at Nebraska is truly fucking incredible.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
What I love is the access points, like how everything
kind of the way things running together like you can
be in the locker room and you can go out
the right side and you can be in the equipment room.
The players lounge that area, and then the weight room
is right there as well. If you go at the
left side, that's all your recovery stuff. So you have
that little car wash area. I think the boys a
couple of photos posted on Twitter of where you get in.
It's like a horseshoe. You can walk around in the

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cult up with. By the way, if you sitting a
cold up and you don't move, eventually you're gonna numb
up when you're walking through. It changes the game. You
turn that corner, you're trying to walk slow. It fucking hurts.
It hurts. But at the hot times, right next to that,
they have a great sauna set up. They got the
red light therapy set up. Oh get on, Hey, I

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knew something was up when JP was checking that mic
before we sat down.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
We were just recapping the spring for those of you.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
For those of you who are wondering why Delaney is
so happy right now, he is happy about somebody's downfall.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
We were at Nebraska and even because it was concluded
the draft or whatever, and people are like, hey, Delaney
won that bet. Huh. I'm like, yeah, you not only
won the bet, you were spot on, spot on.

Speaker 12 (14:58):
I told you I grated him. I go by five stages.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Don't don't even give away to give him away.

Speaker 12 (15:05):
Yeah, and and and and I wanted to come on
here because I wanted to say Shador is a hell
of a quarterback. Hell of a quarterback. I think he's
going to be a sleeper because he fell so late.
He's gonna show up, right. I believe in that. I
believe in the late round draft picks that they're going
to be great. He's got something to prove. You were
one I was one?

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, were you fifth? Six?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I was six round I was six.

Speaker 12 (15:28):
So for that to happen, even though it was hurting
my heart when I was sitting there and I'm like, damn,
I'm about to I'm right. I know I'm right. And
then when it started happening, I kind of felt bad
because I didn't really want to see the kid.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
I know that a lot of those issues are self induced. Yeah,
a lot of those problems are self induced. When you
go to the combine, because a lot of people were
breaking down, like how the Manning's process was versus how
Chador and Dion's process was, and it just is way different.
It was a way different time. There's not social media,
no one, no player had cameras following them around, so

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you had a lot more access to see Shador's attitude
the entire time. We hitting himself at the combine, like,
I get it. I know a couple people talk about
code switching and all that, but if you're at the combine,
your hat's like this, talk about my product I've done
a year after year like I'm him.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
If you don't want to change the franchise, don't get me.

Speaker 12 (16:18):
Yeah right, And that's one of the stages. Personality. What's
your personality?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Like, people don't fully know what we're talking about. Mitch.
You can just run the clip of the bet one
thousand dollars bet that we had with Delaney. Hey, before
we get going, you gotta hear this bet.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah, So I come in.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
He's just talking nonsense always. You're saying, there's not going
to get drafted in the first round because he probably
saw a tweet that sent a couple of scouts. Doesn't
happen as a first round grade.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
That sounds like and I graded him.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Our bet a thousand. You've graded him? What do you
know about quarterback? Nothing? A thousand dollars? Bet, dude, A
thousand dollars. Bet that he goes in the top two rounds.
If he goes beyond that, Delaney wins.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
But you think of that, bet, I think you're gonna
lose a thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
He said, he said, he goes, he said, there is
gonna slip to the fifth round, mark my words.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
But this is an offensive line draft this year. A
lot of old line gonna go. That's gonna push the
line draft every year.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
He's gonna find his way into that first round. He
lost a good quarterback.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
He not going good.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
We're not going in the first I ain't taking it back.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
No, no, no, I ain't taking it. We shu even
so confident. We shoud twice on that ship.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Twice. He not going in the first round.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Not only did we that will Well, I mean yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Everybody, you're an idiot.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Bro Hey, I really thought you were on crack.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
I thought there was no.

Speaker 12 (17:39):
People did bro I was having people running up to
me at the draft for the Titans. So I'm up there,
They're like, you're about to lose the bat to Will.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm sitting there like, Bro, right now, Brove stages. I'm
like you, I'm like, want to make a bat I'm
telling catch you I want to beat.

Speaker 12 (17:53):
They're like I'm in. I'm like a thousand, Oh not
a thousand. I'm like a thousand is all I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You're not.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I ain't taking the bit.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
But not only did he the thousand dollars bet for
if he got drafted the top two rounds, I win
if he falls out the second, you win the thousand dollars.
Not only did you win that bet, but you called
the round.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I called around. I told you, I told you, Bro, I.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Mean, Bro, that's impressive.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
In January.

Speaker 12 (18:16):
In January, people thinking they the first time he said
that it is fake. They like, oh, they posted that
after it happened. Like everyone think that we did not
post that. That was posted like two days ago, three
days ago. They don't believe we did that in January. Like,
just go back and watch the locker That's what I said.
I said, go watch the Locker room like it's an episode.

(18:37):
I don't remember what episode would go.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Watch the locker right, but it was in January when
you said that legit. Bro I was like, there's no
that's the easiest money was ever made.

Speaker 12 (18:46):
Yeah, everybody thought that, you know what I mean? Cats,
I would even see Kats was hitting me like, man,
I can't believe you made that bet. You know, dude
going in the first round. His dad is Deon Sanders.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I said, this is not the NBA. It doesn't matter
who you're he is.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
That is a wild shot.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Not a shot. Just facts, just.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Facts, you know what.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Facts.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I don't have it on me.

Speaker 12 (19:16):
This was a surprise. If y'all watching this right now.
He didn't know I was coming, so it was a surprise.
But yeah, he will pay. Will's good for his money.
I've never lost a bet to Will and I always
been paid. And I said that in the show. I
never lose to Will Compton. It's just a fact. Just
like he said, he guarded me.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
We can't didn't happen right now, there's no fact checking that,
like losing a bet to me. I can't think of
any bets that the amount of bets that we had.
What else have we bet on that you beat me?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Is he crazy?

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (19:46):
He didn't know the five.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Stages well the bet y'all make.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I don't know, he's another bet we made.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Then you pay me five hundred dollars the other Mitch,
Then I pay you five hundred dollars. That money was
from where?

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Yeah, because you guys made a bet about something.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Was it on the locker room? Maybe the Miami game?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It was the ya you.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Mean?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think we got other bets that I've won.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
The locker room. Let me ask you on the show.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Wait what you were?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, let me say that again. You were the worst
gambler on the show in the locker room this season.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Because of college football. But I'm on now, I'm.

Speaker 12 (20:28):
I'm on now because I you know, that was the
first time I really started watching college football.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
That put me in a slump. But I'm on now,
I'm on point.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Let me ask you. So we just went to Nebraska.
We just did this the their spring game. It was awesome.
The access we were kind of talking about before you
walked up. September twentieth is the bust and ball. Yes,
Michigan versus Nebraska. Call your shot. Who's gonna win that game?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Have you broken it? Have you done your Let me do?
Let me go and look at who hit the portals?

Speaker 12 (20:59):
Who can am to the Michigan who came to Nebraska
because a lot of people hitting the portal. Now after
the draft, Cats were saying that a lot of players
wasn't getting drafted from their school. Now they starting to
hit the portal. Let me let me look and see
who they're getting and what's going on. I know y'all
got Michigan got old buddy, Yeah, but they also have
I know, I know, but we'll see. Let me look

(21:20):
at Let me go and look and see what's going
on with the portal, and I'll have a I'll have
a pick for you.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Have a whole spreadsheet, you'll do your five stages on
the schools.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, my five stage is only for draft picks and
stuff and fair enough.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Yeah yeah, so very isolated.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah that is.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
I knew y'all were up to something when you were
checking the mic because you sat there for what's he doing?
I was just literally my stupid about it. I just
went back on my phone.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
But we've been creeping. They've been creeping before this. Even
the pick even came in.

Speaker 12 (21:49):
It was like it was round two and it was
like I don't want to jinx this, but hey, if
you if you win, we gotta have you on the bus. Yeah,
they started hitting me. I'm at a chicken farm, literally
at the chicken form. When y'all face him me, I'm
at a chicken form looking at forty thousand chicks, like
straight up, y'all hit me.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm like, so you didn't know when he got drafted
in the No, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm in a chicken form near Pduca Paduca, Kansas, in
a barn looking at forty thousand chickens right now, walking through,
not knowing what was going on. And then when you
hit me, I step out to conversate with you, you
know what I mean? And I didn't know that he
had got just got drapped.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Out the most interesting life. He's in Portland. He's it
looking at forty found What are you doing looking at
forty thousand?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know, I didn't tell y'all I'm starting a chicken farm.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
You and you do it with von Miller.

Speaker 12 (22:47):
No, no, so I'm gonna be producing eggs. I won't
be doing poultry. So I was doing all eggs. So yeah,
so I'm one of my guys, Jordan give you a
shot out from Smith Farms.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Uh. He invited me to his farm.

Speaker 12 (22:59):
To look at some of his chickens and see how
the setup is before I do my setup.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
So, uh, that's what was going on.

Speaker 12 (23:06):
I didn't even know he got That's why I was like,
what round did he get drafted in? Once you said
the fifth, I went nuts And then they hurt me
and they was like.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yo, he went the fifth you called it.

Speaker 12 (23:14):
So it was just like a crazy little time at
that point and I'm like, yo, that's then a lot
of people hit me like, dude, how did you know that?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:23):
The five stages, the five stages, five stages. Everybody the
five stages crazy?

Speaker 12 (23:32):
Yeah, oh yeah, no, it would be crazy, crazy crazy
Twin Pawns Farm.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Check me out.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Twin Pawns Farm.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Fifth round exactly. I was like, this dude with.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Spots spot on and I hate that.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I felt I felt for him to It was how
everything unfolded, like the media and social media. You as
a black dude calling it in January, He'd be like,
he's going to the top two. I just thought that
was funny. I know. They was like it was the
Lanny racist.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
The white guy thought he was going first round and
black guy thought he was not getting drafted.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Text you getting right now, man, I guess.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Is going on.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
No, I'm want to zoom with my auditor. You know,
I'm really I'm out here, man.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is what I do.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's what I do. What are you auditing?

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Everyone who works for me get audited?

Speaker 5 (24:26):
What do you mean let's go?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
You're never going broke? You get hit silent? Huh you
can hit silent in the middle.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
Sorry bro, Sorry bro, Sorry, this is sorry fans out there. Man,
y'all know, y'all know, y'all know the mule.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Stay did you see uh like Stephen A. Smith and
and all that been talking about code switching?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I saw and how this.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Is happened to him basically because he's black.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
But camp Ward the first round like for so wrong?
And you know what I mean, Compare how many black
people with with white people in the black people like
code switching? Where is the code switch? And I get it.
Deon Sanders is a dog.

Speaker 12 (25:15):
So everybody, you know, gonna feel some type of way
because it's Deon sanders son.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
So they thinking that the people he's getting a phone
call mutant. I did mute it. You know what I'm saying.
It's crazy. What's happening right now I muted it.

Speaker 12 (25:35):
So everybody's saying that because obviously, you know Deon Sanders.
They don't want no problems with Dion Sanders. And I
understand I don't want problems with Dion Sanders, but they
most of the time, they're not gonna.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Say how they really feel.

Speaker 12 (25:47):
They gotta they gotta come up with something like, oh,
cold switching, They oh they didn't pick him because he's black.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
It's like the whole Sanders machine has been such like
an operation for the last few years. Is him going
from was it Jackson.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
State, Jackson State, Jackson State.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
To Colorado and even last year, like you look at
early in the season, it's like Dion's on the podium
saying like there's certain teams that's not gonna be able
to get him. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's
like sadure, Like I'm a fan of his. I think
his mental resilience. I think he'll be able to handle
the pressure. And it's truly all about what you do
at the university at this point, because at the end
of the day, you still got drafted, like you have
an opportunity, and that's all any player wants at going

(26:24):
to the next level. Is having an opportunity in a room. Yeah,
and he's got that. So it's all about I think
they're gonna get his best because now he feels like
he's got this boulder on his shoulder of course. But yeah,
it's like you look at the NFL, Bro, everybody's like, oh,
they don't care about they don't like you are a
commodity when you come in this like you are a product,
and they're gonna thumb through and come through absolutely everything

(26:45):
everything you see reports to where there could have been
some you know, the private meetings weren't the best at times.
We don't know the truth of any of that stuff
you call arrogance, you call confidence, Like they don't want
to see an intimidating black man, blah blah blah. Like Bro,
at the end of the day, like you put this
product in front of the world and it's truly up
to the league and it's not like there's there's not
what the hell is Mitchell. It's not like you can

(27:10):
make up whatever you want to make up, bro, But
it's like this is what it is.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
One thing that he wasn't throughout the entire process, Like
you can't tie humility and everything else to him because
he'll be like after the Nebraska game, he's throwing the
old line under the bus. He's had a lot of
high moments, but there's enough out there to where it's
like if that need doesn't fit the team, because again,
he graded out good but not like elite. Everybody wants
to compare him to like the Mannings of the past,
like these are these are Hall of Fame Hall of

(27:36):
Fame graded caliber players coming out. Dion Sanders was that
to where you hear the stories of him going and means,
are y'all won't be there to get me? Because Dion
was that he knew he was it like he was Yeah,
he was an undeniable elite talent.

Speaker 12 (27:51):
First you knew he was going first round, right, so
they was trying to make the hype for him to
go first round.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
It was hype surrounding him. Dion wasn't no hype. It
was he is him yeah and him as.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
He You you know what I'm saying, So w you
will put up with whatever the bullshit is. But if
you're just like a good player to where lets you
say some teams had should as a low first round
grade or second round grade whatever it is all the
everything else extra. That's up to the organization if they
want to potentially deal with that or not, because that

(28:25):
is what it is in the NFL.

Speaker 12 (28:26):
True and one thing I'm gonna say, what could have
hurt him? He went to Colorado, right, and then you
go to the combine and don't perform. You don't run,
you don't throw, you don't do anything. You don't show
that you can throw the other receivers. You can be
coached by other coaches. That's not your father. You don't
show that. I think that took a big That was

(28:48):
like a bad taste in everyone's mouth because they went, like,
you already think you going first round?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You didn't.

Speaker 12 (28:54):
You lost the BYU and your ball game. We want
to see you come up here and put something good
and don't give us that last time hate where it
was bad. That last tape he put on film was
not good. And then you come in thinking you're a
first rounder after all of that, and don't perform at
the combine and a lot of players are now starting
out to perform because they agent like you going first round.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Don't perform right again, He's like an Andrew Luck coming
out of college with a scouting report like that. You
don't have to do you don't have to undeniable.

Speaker 12 (29:23):
True, but when you're not you should at least put
something on film. Don't run at forty, don't do all
the other stuff, but throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Show them that you can throw.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
You're a quarterback, if you're a first round guy, if
you're a guy that's going to change a franchise, like,
you should have no problem standing out there and underwear
throwing the ball. Routes on air, Yeah, it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
And at the time too of the combine is in
the middle of Deon Sanders saying some guy he'll get
dredged by somebody that he won't go to. Yeah, and
he's basically referring to the teams that were in quarterback
meets because they weren't good in the past years. Say
it's Browns whatever. So then they get to March and
then Dion is like, you know, kind of changes his tune.
But by the time you get to March, all that

(30:01):
evaluation processes pretty much finage, and then you get past
the first round. Okay, he doesn't want the first round.
After the second round, if you're getting a quarterback, the
thought process of upstairs in the NFL is Okay, let's
find ourselves a backup that can develop and hopefully some
may be a starter. If you're going to have a
backup in the locker room with more microphones on him
than anybody else, that is also going to deter you

(30:23):
drafting that guy. So once you get out of that,
you want to deal with it, unless you want to
deal with it, which, like I know, there are a
couple of reports. I don't know which team it was.
I can't remember exactly what they were talking about. Maybe
this head coach doesn't have the personality to be able
to handle this quarterback and shudure and it's like, yeah,
the argument there, I think Ryan Clarkott this argument is like,

(30:44):
then he shouldn't be the head coach because I agreed,
Like I give Tomlin Flowers all the time. He's a
guy that doesn't matter what personality you get in there.
He gets the best out of his guys, and he's like, hey,
you know, he has a does a great job of
seeing crazy different personalities on different spectrums and being like, okay,
let's bring all these guys to get He did a
great job. Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown Roethlisberger, the Pouncy Brothers,

(31:04):
all those guys in one area. But if a head
coach doesn't have that capability, then you're missing a huge
part of your head coach because the whole thing is continuity,
understanding how to coach players and getting guys to be
their best on Sundays. So that is an issue if
you're a GM, if you're an owner, and you're looking
at your head coach being like, I don't know if
this guy can handle this personality, automatic red flag.

Speaker 12 (31:25):
But to me I look at it. The head coach
is only as good as his staff. So if you
got a staff, you hire a staff member who can
handle that quarterback. You hire a quarterback coach that know
how to talk to that quarterback coach. Not all head
coaches don't know how to talk to every player. Because
some head coaches is a defensive coach. Some head coaches
is an offensive coach. They don't not talk to the
defensive players. They don't not talk to it off. So

(31:46):
you need you only as good as your staff. So
if your staff, because you're not gonna be in at all,
you ain't gonna be in that room every day with
that player. So you may not have that same communication
that that off the quarterback coach gonna have with them,
So you find that guy who can communicate with him.
I don't think that was the issue with people finding that,
Oh can I coach you?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Is what we butt had.

Speaker 12 (32:07):
It was more of you know, what kind of person
is he? Is this the type of leader we want
in our locker room? Would he bring will he make
us better? Or would he bring us down?

Speaker 1 (32:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (32:18):
Because, like you said, the blaming all the off the
offensive line would have blocked you know, maybe we would
have won that game. You you do that in the NFL.
Now you got offensive line like fall out off I slipped.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (32:33):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna get off the show right now
because I got a lot of people calling me and
I got my auditor.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I just wanted to come. This has been a good
I mean, this is incredible. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I wish I could be able to step out here.

Speaker 10 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Hey, I'm running busting like.

Speaker 12 (32:49):
Yeah, I'll step out real quick and then I'll come
back in. No, no, y'all keep doing y'all living.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm saying, I love that you're here.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I love man.

Speaker 12 (32:57):
Yeah, I love being on the show with y'all love
because y'all just y'all make me who I am pretty much,
you know, but I would.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Say I would go go.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Step out.

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all a lot of great points because it's all very nuanced.
It's just the ideas of all of the the headlines
and conversations where they're going where they're talking people that
are trying to grab at racism. They're trying to talk
get owners colluding and trying to keep it out or
trying to prove a point or taking a person where
It's like, dude, even if an owner feels that way,
like there's so many people in that building that are
coaching for their lives because the game is so year

(34:18):
in and year out. It's like if a staff feels
like they want a specific player, and I know we're
talking about Shadir, but any of it, you're talking about
looking at a specific player and wanting to bring that
player in the position coach wants them, a scouting department
wants the front office, anybody around there that want to
go in on somebody. They're doing it because they want
to fucking win now. Like no teams like you know,
you have Browns that traded back and got some draft

(34:39):
capital for next year. Like some teams are playing a
long game but also with the short term in mind.
It's like, I'm sure the Titans, there was headlines about
them turning down multiple draft picks to get out of
the running for Camp Wore, but they felt so good
about we want this quarterback right fucking now, because we
feel like he can change your franchise, right and it's
like nobody's sitting there being like, hey, we want Shadura
Sanders right now, because when it's a franchise and then

(35:01):
somebody's coming in over the top being like, no, this
is personal for me, we're not taking them because they're
just gonna put everybody in a bad situation. Because then
it's like, hey, if they have a bad year and
coaches like, hey, I wanted to draft this quarterback, but
you would let me, it's like that. That's not how
the conversations go to grenade for us now.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
The conversation definitely, I'm sure there are conversations with head
coaches when they I'm sure some level of cluding, some
sort of like behind the curtain stuff does go on
at times, but.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Like maybe a personal opinion, right.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
But I will say this, if Shaduur Sanders was as
good as Shadir Sanders says he was, we would not
be having this conversation right now.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
And that is.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Truly the just the fact he is a good football player.
He is an above average football player. But when we're
in the conversation of comparing him to the Mannings, who
are being great as elite football players. It's a totally
different conversation.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
It's also and spin it into Mike a like a
positive thing because again, he did still get drafted. If
Shadur Sanders is as good as he thinks he is,
he's going to do just he's going to he's going
to transcend, He's going to do all the things that
accomplish all the things that he wants to do because
he is getting an opportunity. And even if it doesn't
work out with the Browns, because that's a very crowded

(36:10):
quarterback room, I'm going to be fascinated to see how
it unfolds and training camp in preseason and how the
year goes and all that type of stuff. But he
is he is at the level you want to be
at as a player growing up and wanting to play
at the national football Yeah, you're drafted. Didn't go exactly
what I thought it would. But this is not surprising. This
situation is not as unique as people are assuming because

(36:30):
this type of shit happens every year. It's just a
magnified glass with because we've been following documentaries and content
since this little dude was in pajamas, running around as
a kid doing reality shows with his with his dad.
You know what I mean. We've gotten to see him grow.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
We've gotten to see him.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, you've seen the Sabans of the world, like people
that Dion has great relationships where they talk Sean Payton
talking about they watched him grow up and he was
surprised how it went. But they might not have needed
a quarterback to where you're a little dumbfounded because again,
we've watched this unfold for like a decade, right, and
it just did not go the way he wanted to.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
The thing about the NFL, the thing about being at
the one percent of professional sports is you cannot have
this plan be this one foot in, one foot out
type of mentality. And I mean she had a lot
his hands and a lot of different things, whether it
was reality shows, different sponsorships, he was rapping, he was
doing a whole bunch of different things. You see kind
of the change in his attitude. I think him and

(37:24):
Shilah were likes live stream or something like that. I
was like, hey, you want to sing another song? Is
that I'm done rapping? And so this might be the
perfect thing for Sharry Sanders going into his future in
the NFL being like, Yeah, your whole life essentially, you've
had everything you've ever wanted. You've lived in mansions, you've
had all the cars you've wanted, You've got in the
nil deals. You were the face of college football for

(37:45):
the entire time you were in college football. Now you
have to go to a franchise that historically has had
not good quarterback play, a franchise that historically has struggled
and has only made the playoffs a couple times in
the last however many years. So now you have the
opportunity to truly be your words legendary and create a
legacy that will speak for a long long time, like
you have. He has everything he wants, and for him

(38:08):
to go in the fifth round, it is probably the
best case scenario for him for his mental everything like that.
He has to fight this adversity. He's in a room
that's crowded, but a room that's winnable. You have a
guy that has a two hundred and seventy million, fully
guaranteed contract that it's pretty clear that everybody in that
building is over that situation, right, They're done with that
to where they're not sitting there being like we paid

(38:28):
him as much as he has to play. He's also
coming off inn Achilles. Yeah, Joe Flacca who's played a
billion years in the NFL. He is a smart super
Bowl winning understands coverages, understands how to get the ball
out from a pocket passer standpoint. He will be able
to help Shador if Shaudor seeks that help.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
And he's old enough in the league to where once
Joe Flacco's done with the NFL this year, he's at
the age where he just transitions immediately into his right And.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
You're in a position where there's another rookie who had
a really good career who I believe set the record
for most starts in college football, was a part of
a playoff winning program or a playoff a team that
was in the twelve team playoffs this year, uh In
Dylan Gabriel. So now you have competition. You get to
see Pickett who played a rookie, Canny Pickett, who was
the first round draft heelers with the Eagles. You have

(39:13):
every different personality in there, and you have the you
have every opportunity to be the guy if you if
you truly are the guy.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, I mean again, I love it for the potential
part of this story because again it's like you want
the world telling you that you're not good enough, and
now he gets to go and show that he is
good enough because again, his mental resilience, his ability to
he was like the most sacked quarterback, like didn't really
have a line of scrimmage that block twell for him,
made a lot of great throws. He has the ability.
Now he gets to go, he gets to go prove

(39:40):
in Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Do you think the Browns will give like because they
drafted Dylan Gabriel before they drafted Shade, do you think
that they're on the same like playing field or you
think Dylan's gonna have like a little bit more leeway
because okay, we got you in a third round.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
He might but it'll be able to be it'll be fractural. Yeah,
it'll be very minimal because third and five, third and
fifth round, once you get out of the top two rounds,
that kind of like giving, you know, handing it over
type thing. Like if you're a first round draft pick,
the minute you think you're ready, you're going to play,
even if a guy might be a little bit ahead
of you at some point and even second round even Yeah,
you like your first run, You're like, oh, let's get

(40:15):
him in here, let's let's get some fire on them,
let's have him make these mistakes and wall a little bit.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's the investment.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Yeah, but if you're a third, fourth, fifth, all the
way through the seventh, like you're well, basically three to
five is treated pretty much the same. And then six
and seven. Some people argue that you'd rather be an
undrafted guy than go six or seven, because then you're
going you're now picking a situation that's better for you
because you'll usually have multiple teams call you and say
we want you, and the signing bonuses are relatively the same.
They're not very much, so you can say, okay, you

(40:42):
can look at let's say will, for instance, look at
each linebacker room and be like, hey, I have the
best opportunity in this linebacker room as opposed to this one.
If you're a six round pick, you might just be
getting picked. You're gonna be a core four guy. They
might have a better linebacker room or stronger whatever, and
so you kind of want to be an undrafted guy.
But that three to five everyone's kind of in the
same playing field.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I think a third round combery to a fifth. The
third is going to get the opportunities first, and they'll
get a couple more opportunities extra. Like my breakdown is
more like you get first, a second, you'll have like
three maybe depending on how you going four. But yeah,
that five to seven is pretty much all very very similar.
But he will It's like Dylan Gabriel, He'll get the

(41:21):
opportunities first. But it's gonna be I mean, Browns are
showing you that they want a room that's gonna be
competing for who they're going to dress for probably their
three quarterbacks that they will for the season.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, Pittsburgh, they are they trading one.

Speaker 9 (41:37):
I mean you have five in Pittsburgh. Who's pittsburgh starting
quarterback right now? Mason Rudolph, Rudolf.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
They must feel good about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 9 (41:44):
They drafted Will Howard late, which could pan out later.
But yeah, you have no reason to not like shop
one of those five guys.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Yeah, the Steeler situation is very interesting, right, very interesting.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I was fired up for Dylan Gabriel. I did not
I was not ready for him to be drafted in
the third town. I was pumped for him. Yeah, And
when we sat down with him last year when we
were out in Oregon for the spring tour, he was saying, like,
you know, he came back, he got like a low
round grade and just based on size and everything else,
you feel like those tangible things kind of play against him.
But to see him going the third round, like I

(42:18):
was fired up.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
For Yeah, I'm excited to see excited to see what
he does because that's a good kid right there. He's
he drove the van, right, that's what he is. Event Yeah,
that's awesome. Good head on the shoulders, good head on
the shoulders. I mean we I've only seen him live
one time and that was against the Hollo State and
he was very impressive, very impressive in that game. It
was and I've only seen Shader one time and that
was a the Nebraska game and I'm I mean, gu

(42:39):
were with me sitting there at halftime like they're fucking dead.
There's no there there.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
That was the worst back to back series of stop
on like third down whatever and then pick Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It was. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
That was maybe one of the worst games I've ever
seen out of a Division one football team. The way
they were operating, handling, I thought there was no way
to come back, but kind of shows what adversity rings
backs against the wall a little bit. They ended up
competing to possibly playing the Big twelve Championship, which is
you know huge a bit.

Speaker 9 (43:09):
You know who did play in that Big twelfth Championship.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Scat I mean got to be so scat is just
crying tears of pure creat.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
I saw a clip like it said both Scatabo's first
run for the Giants and it was the longest yard.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
That's how white man runs.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
I mean, dude, good for him. I mean his story
is incredible too. He goes the Sacramento State, ends up
transferring to a su He's a guy that you know, undersized, white,
like small, not very fast like all all the things
got to going against him and took a team and
put it on his back where he was the bell
cow for two seasons and we got to see him
in the spring game. When you just ran him, you
understood immediately got to run this guy.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I know you're the starter quarters. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It takes a team to the playoffs, literally, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
They should have won that game against Texas too.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
That was a good won that game. That was a
good game. My man was throwing up stall toting that rock.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
You know, I think it's gonna be a stud. You
need a little bit more on the old line there.
But ashing genty.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah. Oh, he's got a good
head and saying that because he had the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Well yeah, I like that. I'm not that he went there,
but we got to do the two manager with them
after the draft. Yeah, we've seen him briefly in the
Nashville Airport, but he just seems like a quality dude.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Man, quality man.

Speaker 12 (44:35):
I'm watching him fish and listen to his little draft store.
I was like, I like him, Yeah, I like him.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
And the fact that he stayed at Boise State. He
could have made way more somewhere else, but he decided
to stick with it.

Speaker 10 (44:46):
That.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
I'm sure that went a long way.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
That's the guy I want.

Speaker 12 (44:49):
Yeah, because when you now, when you come into an
NFL locker room, they'd be like, tell us what school
you went to?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
What's your shina bonus? First I started out Louisiana Tech,
and I went to the BRA That's good. Then I went.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
All like, god damn, and this dude, I mean he's
with Pete Carroll. Oh the place where like they were, Yeah,
Chip Kelly, like, dude, they could be good this year.

Speaker 13 (45:14):
Isn't he the second highest paid running back in there?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Because of the draft, I thought he was like for
the fourth top five. Yeah, he definitely top five just.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Because that running back market and where he got.

Speaker 13 (45:24):
Drafted, like thirty million guarantees.

Speaker 12 (45:26):
Yeah, that's why they say you shouldn't draft a running
back high in the draft because now it's about to
set the bar for all these other running backs about
to be like, I.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Need to make more thirty more over thirty one million?
Now good?

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah, Pete Carroll can give a fired up.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I mean you had to get them.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
It was like.

Speaker 12 (45:44):
Once Jacksonville made their trade, I said, oh, it's about that.
I knew it was about to mess up the draft.
If it would have went in order, you could probably
he probably would have fell in a second, That's what
I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But soon empty no Sanders.

Speaker 12 (45:58):
So yeah, as soon as that Jacksonville traded up to
get uh Travis Hunter, I said, all the drafts jacked up.
You can ask anybody who was sitting with me in
the green room at the Titans stadium.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I say, I'm about to win this bat. I do
just like that. I said, just like that, They like,
what bet off the second pick?

Speaker 12 (46:17):
Off the second pick? The draft is jacked up. I'm
about to win, I said, Oh, it's jacked up. I said,
I'm about to win this.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
It is a wild move for the Jacks to take
Travis Hunter, trade down much draft capital to go get
a non quarterback guy.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, I mean, I mean we were sitting there with
that crew in the little cafeteria area in media row
and they were saying, how when they were asking about
what was it, abdual Carter or they were talking to
Jacksonville about somebody I forget who was, but all that
that GM wanted to talk about was Travis Hunter. Yeah.
They're trying to hat a feel from on maybe ashion
gen d since they were like four or five at

(46:53):
that point before Jacksonville traded up, and they said, all
the GM wanted to talk about was Travis Hunter. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I know they wasn't.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
They went and got their guy.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
They got a running back, your Travis Hunter. Bro. I
want to like, does it Fandel already have odds on
the app for him offensive Rookie in the Year in
defensive Rookie like if he wins both.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Plus five thousand, Yeah, plus five thousand fans his energy.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
He's got the juice he do.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
But we went and got the wide receiver who put
him in a blender? Yes, we did.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Make from Stanford.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah that the odds on FanDuel for Travis Hunter to
win both the offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year
is a plus five thousand right now, got a sprink? Insane?
Would that be? Do you think he's gonna be able
to play both sides of the ball in the Yeah?

Speaker 12 (47:33):
I think so, but not as not as at a
high quality as he did in college.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, it's different.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
It's hard to say, man, I mean, dude, how do
you play one hundred and twenty snaps a game?

Speaker 12 (47:42):
You think he's gonna be able to do that in
the NFL? I tinkwenty something without being dead.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
I hope he does. I would be so sick to
see bro.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Your rookie year. When did you hit the wall ship?

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Well, my rookie is kind of nice because I got
hurt like twelve, so I missed last few. I hit
with the wall head.

Speaker 12 (48:00):
Yeah, because you know that usually when the season keeps going,
college football over with we're still playing.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Yeah, you get you get like past November, you get
into December, you're like, what what is going.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Crazy?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
That it's weird too. I don't know if I heard
this correctly, but Jacksonville was doing a press conference saying
he'll be on offense primarily with packages on defense. That
feels backwards to me.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
No, they draft him as a receiver. Didn't know Quarner
back wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
That's what it said on the thing.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I thought it said receiver.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
He came up, he said conference that they're talking like
his primary role is going to be offensive.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, receiver.

Speaker 10 (48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (48:41):
I don't know if you were about to say this, JP,
but if he plays wide receiver, you have him and
Brian Thomas Junior, two young, fast, badass wide receivers. Now
it's just up to Trevor Lawrence to make it work.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
But I'm with you.

Speaker 9 (48:52):
I think you gotta play.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Heavy dese defense and then make a splash.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Right, It's easier Like if you play primarily defense a
lot those corners are they don't want to take breaks, right,
they're on the field the.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Whole game, on the field, the whole game.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Wide receivers you can kind of change out a little
bit so you can have a more extensive package for
this cat. Put him in on you know, a certain downs,
getting him that breather he'll probably need. But Bro playing
Colorado one hundred and forty snaps a game like that's
that's intense. That's crazy. The kid is impressive. Bro. Even
when we saw him in Nebraska, I watched him, he
just looked different than all the other kids.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
He just seems walking around like he just has loading.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Bro is crazy. But when he can locate the.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Ball, celebration touch celebration is gonna be crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, we're gonna see, it's gonna it's gonna it's either
gonna be he gonna shine on both he.

Speaker 9 (49:44):
And a pick six in one game.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Bro, I don't think he's gonna be a bus.

Speaker 12 (49:49):
I said, it's either gonna pan out him playing both
ways or it's not gonna work.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
He's he's had a weird like it's hard to evaluate
what a bus would be for him, Like, but he can.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
He's gonna play, but he's so high up.

Speaker 12 (50:03):
If he don't perform even in the middle, people will
be calling him a bus.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, if he playing both sides
of the ball. If you play in the middle for
ten years, both sides the ball, never make a Pro Bowl,
never make an All Pro? Is that a bust? But
you're playing wide receiver and corner.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
But you are Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Not a top five guy at any position, not a
top you know eight guy?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Is he on the same squad the whole time? I
guess I does that matter he's getting If he's getting extended,
it's like they drafted him to have a long career.
And if he's having a long career to where he's
playing solid football on both sides of the line of scrimmage
and then the external stuff he just doesn't get. I
guess it just depends on how the team season.

Speaker 12 (50:46):
Only one person did this other than him, and that's
Deon Sanders.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
And Deon Sanders did.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
It at Charles Woodson.

Speaker 12 (50:52):
Charles Wilson too, but he didn't play as much receiver
as Deon Sanders did. Deon Sanders will go out there,
cook a cat to catch a return, go play dB,
get a pick, take it to the crib. This man
did everything so but he.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Was a play like. He only played a few like
a few snaps.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, he had packages On offense.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
That talk about Travis Hunter twenty four to seven. Yeah, yeah,
that that to me. Or it's like if he was
playing all defense and he'd be getting at least twenty
thirty snaps on offense.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
That's fine.

Speaker 12 (51:21):
I think he should play all defense and then get
like twenty to thirty snaps on offense. That's what Deon did.
That's why I think Deon had a great career. At
sixty receptions for seven hundred and eighty four yards.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
That's Deon Sanders. God damn, this is That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (51:38):
This is AI, and I guess his most productive season
on both sides. It says Deon Sanders played on offense
for roughly fifty percent of the snaps during his nineteen
ninety six NFL season with the Cowboys, and then he
played eighty percent of defensive plays in the same season.
That is That is from AI. Sometimes AI has led
us straight.

Speaker 12 (51:56):
But but that's crazy saying that's the only person we
can compare him too.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah he.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
Yeah, but we said too. If Travis Hunter is the
lead at both he could get two Pro Bowls per year,
play ten years, make twenty Pro Bowls.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I don't think they're gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Did you hear Warren sat talk about Travis Hunter. No,
but he's just talking about you know, he's played with Dion,
He's played with these the bulls of the league, and
he's like, this dude is he's like, he's about football.
He's a dog Like twenty four to seven. This dude
is about He's about football.

Speaker 12 (52:29):
But I'm excited to see him go up against you
know what I'm saying, some of the elites we have
in the NFL that he don't see in his conference.
You know what I'm saying. So a j that's what
like dogs, DK like big boys. Yeah, because we watch
him go against one a half decent big boy at
Stanford and he big boy do them.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah yeah, big boy them. So let's see what happens
when he go against Tyreek Hill. I'm just saying, they.

Speaker 9 (53:02):
Played, they play the Eagles, you gotta lock down to
AJ Brown or Smittye, then go play offense and get
locked down by the Cooper Degen.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I mean that's tough.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
That's a long day.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
That's a long day, bro, That's a long day. Yeah,
strap up.

Speaker 9 (53:16):
I hope he can do it, though.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It'll be crazy because he'll be like probably the first.

Speaker 9 (53:21):
Player but two times a year because he doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
To go guard the best guy.

Speaker 12 (53:25):
No man, but what no, he definitely does. He got
to Why would you you a lockdown corner? You Heisman?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
You better? You better guard the best player on offense.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
If they again, they're like Jacksonville's primarily looking at him
for offense. But yeah, if they brought him in to
be a corner, it's right, Yeah, then you gotta.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
But to me, I'm seeing them on both sides. It
would be dumb to put him on the best receiver
all game on defense and then have him come play
offense like I'm putting him on wide receiver number three.

Speaker 12 (53:52):
But then how can you make the How can you
say he the best dB in the league if he
ain't even covering the best receivers.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
Oh, I'm not saying he's the best dB.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I'm saying you're saying that. I'm saying that's gonna be
talk about. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (54:04):
If he Rookie of the Year defense and offense, but
you never you didn't cover the best wide receivers, but
you still were a rookie Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
See, sometimes that to me, that's different. We can't do
nothing about it. Football.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
If he plays a significant amount of snaps on both
sides of the ball and is just efficient, he should
win Rookie of the Year. Yeah, because that's the more
impact than anybody could have on their team.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I get you that. I just think he's a generational talent.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
So another one. I fired up for Tyler Booker going
to Dallas and you see the way everybody responds. I
feel like the offensive lineman when they get drafted, Like
the fan base seemed like they hate it. Like I
was looking at the Will Campbell stuff. People like the
worst draft pick a ball. They're not pretty. That's why
it's nothing pretty about old lineman. They see Tyler Booker's
interview with Michael Parsons, No, I didn't see it where

(54:58):
you asked him about like why he loves full ball
and he's like, you know, guys who like love football.
They love doing like their their pre game, they love
taking their their supplements before the game, training for their
They're enjoying going out and playing football. He's like, what
I love about it is knowing that, Like basically all
the kids love that. But then they come across Tyler Booker.
When you come across Tyler Booker, when I when I'm

(55:19):
hitting you over and over and over, series snap every game,
and I see that love leave their eyes. That's what
makes me love to get.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I love that that's me. I love that they was getting. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I ain't gonna lie. I don't listen
to cats who still play football podcasts like I don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
He mess with busts with the boys.

Speaker 12 (55:43):
Bust with the boys is the difference. Y'all was on
your way out.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
He's like, y'all saw the vision you guys were transitioning.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, y'all saw. I didn't. I said, oh yeah, they
about done it. Boys, the boys putting a lot into it.
Taylor had to take a year off.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
What else do we have? What are the odds for
I see you got on the document. The odds for
Offensive Player the Year and rook in Defensive Player of
the Rookie of the Year FanDuel Gent's at plus two seventy,
cam Ward plus four hundred, Travis hundred plus seven fifty,
Teed McMillan plus nine to fifty Omarion Hampton plus fourteen
hundred for defensive Rookie the Year. You got abdual card

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plus two fifty, Jalen Walker plus seven hundred, Travis hundred
plus one thousand, mckel or Mike kel Williams plus eleven hundred,
and Shamar Stewart plus twelve hundred.

Speaker 12 (56:42):
It's gonna be hard to get Defense of the Year.
I just looking at those names. Rookie Defense out the Year,
Oh my god, it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
What do you What are your thoughts on cam Ward
Titans taking Campbell first? Overall?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I like call knowing that too.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It sounds like they were fielding phone calls of people
giving a lot of shit to try and get in that.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, they was.

Speaker 12 (57:01):
They was trying to trade up Titans wasn't going for it.
They wanted cam Ward. I like cam Ward and the
reason why I like him He's humble. That dude is humble.
Even though everybody, oh, zero stars. Everyone had to say
zero God damn stars. I heard that one hundred times
when this man got dragged. He had zero stars coming
out of high school.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Who cares?

Speaker 12 (57:23):
Like the dude been through so much and to overcome
everything that he's been through to be where he at today.
I loved that he didn't come with chains on jewelry,
on came with a nice suit. That's the type of
quarterback I want. I don't want to look at my quarterback.
He looked like he supposed to be in a rap video.
I want the quarterback that looked like he had God
damn quarterback.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
He had a video with Shadar too. He's like, no,
I don't want to do a song. He's I just
want I want to be a football player. Yeah, my
identity as a full American football right.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Josh Payton told a cool story about cam Ward. I
think he was in Miami, like a couple of days
after cam Ward got there and he was working out.
I don't know if it was Josh, so I might
be misquoting that, but he walked in and he saw
that cam Ward was just giving it to the Miami
football team, like going to lead them, yeah, being basically
tell him how things aren't good enough. You guys got
to be better X, Y and Z.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
But he was.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
He's been in the building for like seventy two hours
at this point, and these guys are sitting there and
eating it, and then he goes and produces the way
he did in the field. But I love the zero
star thing. I know, I know you don't like it.
I love it because it shows one. It shows the
kid right now who has no offers in high school,
like you still can make it even if people say
you make it, And it shows how much like this
is unbelievable, like this kid was. From an evaluation standpoint,

(58:36):
every single college, the one two, all of them didn't
see the capability this kid has. Now fast forward to
twenty twenty five, he's in Green Bays holding up the one.
He's been the first overall pick of the twenty twenty
five draft. That shit is fucking dope to me.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Oh, he's the first zero star recruit to be drafted
first in NFL history.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, is that true?

Speaker 5 (58:55):
That this graphic in front of us the same.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I mean, it's not like that.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
It's Instagram said, it's gotta be right. The thing that, dude,
the thing, the only thing that worries me about Kim
Wore because I love the mentality, I love the attitude,
I love how humble he is. It's all these experts
saying how this is the worst draft, This quarterback draft
is not great. If this if cam Ward was getting drafted,
it'd be between bow Knicks and whoever got drafted after
bow Knicks in last year's draft.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
If J. J.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
McCarthy was in this draft, he had been the first
overall pick and he was like the second or third. Like,
all these things give me pause. But like the cam
Ward shows even being arounding for the two minute drill,
like this kid has a presence about him that's like
he wants to be great. He knows he's gonna be great,
and he's gonna go out there and get fuck get.

Speaker 12 (59:37):
It, I'm gonna be This is just being real. Analysts
are like me and you and you, we just say
what the fuck we think? We don't know what's going on. Yeah,
I know, but we all guessing.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 12 (59:48):
We can make these stages, we can put them in
a category. It's a guess.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 12 (59:52):
You don't know what these dudes are thinking in that
in that room sitting there, Analysts like what they want
from a player. These dudes come up here, Like I
watched guys get these NFL players. They don't the NFL
scouts don't know how to pick quarterbacks. They don't know
how to do nothing like these guys are getting mad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
No one listen to Yeah, no one listened to us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Show it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
But what have he What have you really done?

Speaker 12 (01:00:19):
But just go to school to be a journalist and
learn how to read ship and take that and then
go up there and give you give your opinion. No
one gives a ship honestly, no one cares. Like, you
can say all you want to say about these players.
I could have you know, I could have been wrong,
you know what I mean about the pick about, and
no one cares. Obviously they're gonna joke with us because

(01:00:40):
we clowns and people want to make fun of us
for making a bad pick or getting a good pick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
But these dudes really take that ship hard, personal, personal.
It's our jobs.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
My job is not to evaluate people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
At all at all, at all but one scouting report.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
But we give our opinions, don't we.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Yeah to to Shaye mel Kiper, what is it, Daniel Jeremiah.
These guys are all literally paid to evaluate players and
say what they think. Yeah, they kind of check, I
mean yeah, yeah, I mean obviously some of that goes
into it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah. I do feel like they spend a lot of
time trying to break it down.

Speaker 12 (01:01:19):
It's tough to break it down when you're not sitting
in those rooms, though, with these gms and those scouts,
it's really hard to take in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
The fall when we're doing the locker room and you
get on the fan duel app and you look at
it and you're like, all right, I think the Steelers
are gonna cover against the forty nine ers. And then
you look at all the information, it's so easy to
second guess that bet yes and be like, Okay, you
know what, because of these couple of things, I'm gonna
go this way. Really, that ship might not matter at
all at all, and then they get blown out and
lose it. But like, what the fuck am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Why do I try to read it hit the wheel
every time I place a bet?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, But a lot of those analysts, they have a
lot of sources inside buildings and everything else where. They
try to piece it all together in their own way.

Speaker 12 (01:01:57):
If I was a GM, I will be giving false
and formation the whole five months until the draft, because
I know it's it's moles and every organization thinking they
can get a dollar by giving information. I will sit
there and tell lies. I will just be getting coffee, Like, Yeah,
I think we're gonna go what it should do first round,
just so people can believe it, just so because I

(01:02:19):
know everyone is a mood a menace.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Can we pull up the Titans draft because I don't
want to speak too quickly?

Speaker 14 (01:02:30):
Can you? Once you go through, you try and pronounce
every single draft picks name because there's every single A
few they're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Tough at the.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Absolutely shine oh yeah for too many A drafting guys
as well. The uh this cat from what's the gams
name for the Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Forgot?

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
I feel like as soon as Callahan Borzinga Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
What I'm saying is this man knew what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
He definitely know what's I say. Oh my god, we
got a good g O.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
A first round first pick obviously know is cam Ward? Next?
Second round? Fifty second pick all of allah Ola d JO.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Did he say it correctly?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
One for one?

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Come on?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Two for two?

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Edge U C l A. I don't know anything about him?
Uh three, third round pick eighty second and overall Kevin Winston,
junior safety Penn State. Don't know anything about him? Uh?
Fourth round one oh three Shamiri Dike, wide receiver Florida tough, tough,

(01:03:40):
last name.

Speaker 14 (01:03:43):
Doesn't matter, spelled spell online and it was like d
E e K A y buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
No one's seeing phonetics. No one's hooked on phonics. On Sundays,
they're gonna every single time. Fourth round, pick one twenty
Gunner Helm tight End, by the way, that's that's the
guy there. That's a good pick in one thousand and
two yards like touchdowns.

Speaker 14 (01:04:09):
Whispers that he's gonna be And I'm not just hands
right now, the next to Laney Walker. He doesn't have
the speed they Delaney have. But I saw a lot
of people being like, this could be the next to Lanny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I saw that too.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
I saw that too. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I love it. He's white workers are meant to be broken.
They don't.

Speaker 12 (01:04:25):
Right the first record, the white dude had it, then
the black guy broke it, So it may be another
white guy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
White guys are having to come back in recent years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Tight End, come on?

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Uh. The second fourth round pick one hundred and thirty
six overall, elk Ayo Manner, good wide receiver, Stanford. That's
that's the case that cooked Travis Hunter. Yes, another great
pick and I've only seen that game, so I don't
know if it's a good he.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Bought in a lot of games. Yeah, yeah, we haven't
done that in a while. But we need offense right now.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Fifth round, Pick one sixty seven, Jackson Slater, guard in
the Sacramento State. I love guards being taken from small
I love it. They're doll They're fucking grinders. They don't
care about the bullshit. They get in there, they get
their nose fucking dirty, they go home, they have a
couple of bud lights. They give it the morning, they

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do it fucking again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Definitely a hunter.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Could you do me a favorite?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Pull that back up. He's definitely a hunter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
He's definitely a hunter.

Speaker 13 (01:05:29):
Hunter too. I saw Jackson Slater was wearing our busing hat.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Jackson too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
If they drafted him, you know, Bill callahans just ready
to get his hands on him.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I get him going.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I saw the graphic. I'm like, he must be solid
if Bill Callahan, Yeah, yeah, that's my guy. Cats don't
understand we have a legendary offensive line coach.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Legendary Yeah, wait for it thereund Pick one eighty three
Marcus Harris, cornerback at a cal don't know anything about that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
Corneck got to have him, gotta have him. Hope you
get him on punt, get him in the gunn or
let him go. And the sixth round, pick one eighty eight,
Khalil Mullings, running back from the University of Michigan. This
cat dude. First twenty games he started at Michigan was
at middle linebacker.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
You know what that cat?

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Yes, and then they was a US this past year,
well not this past year, the year before that, the
nast Chamian ship year. They put him as a running back,
had a couple of plays with more of a short
short yardage cat. Big dude, strong dude. And then we
saw this past year like USC had had a crazy run,
had great runs against Ohio State, like I mean you

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you you see, based on the throwing capabilities of Michigan
last year, we relied on this guy and donov Edwards
the entire time. One thing that was crazy donov edymod
was not getting drafted by the Jets when he was
the CFB twenty five cover athlete, which is just tough man.
He kind of got lost in the sauce this year.
I don't know if it was a yips thing. Or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
But what a pivot for this guy though. Yeah, incredible
from backer to running back and then you get drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
But he's got vision too, But he's got great vision.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
It goes to the point when I first came in.

Speaker 12 (01:07:14):
He's getting drafted in the sixth round to a team
that has two good running backs already.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And tight so that that hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
He's gonna have to be a team's guy. He's gonna
have to be a team and get to know third down, your.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Short Yeah, you got your short yards guy right here,
he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Have But again again, round out that. If you're only
dressing three and you're looking at numbers, you know this
running back, former linebacker is gonna be running down, flying around.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
So he's gonna suit up. So that's a good point.
He's gonna suit up. He'll be your personal protector on
punt Yeah yeah, that I mean kickoff punt return.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
He's core four guy, Yeah four, no doubt he's done.
Can we see what the experts are saying was the
best draft? Like draft grades.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I just want to see it where we were, where
the tight ends ranked.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
That's the last one I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, that was the last pick. And yeah, you see
the Eagles got Ty Robinson and then stuff that was
kind of going viral last night when I was doom scrolling,
they got there like, hey, if they take away the
Toush push, he'll just run Ty Robinson right of your face,
because he scored like nine out of ten times that
they had him on goal line at Nebraska. Just another month,

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Like Okay, you're gonna take the Tousch push away. We're
just gonna draft this boy to just have him on
the goal line, right. Great picks because they they got
an incredible roster, and then you just get the ad.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
They're taking available every single time, every time in their mind,
which is just so great. Arizona Cardinals they got a
good pick out of Will Johnson second round. I know,
he's a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Things we didn't even fall in the top five.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
This Gray Zabel kid, dude, North Dakota State, big fan
of the bus by the way, North Dakota State Guard
tackle individual stud This kid cares about family, god, country
and farming. That's the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
That's right Football at the top, that's God teer. And
then there's other ones then life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Dude, the Patriots always you know who I'm fired up
to watch. Is that the running back Henderson? Yeah, and
everyone's salivates over his third down pass. Bro salivates Like
anytime you see guys talking on positive, they're like, what
do you love about him? And dude just love like
jerking off to his third down pick, which teams love
like down back pick up a blitz. Yeah, it's hard

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to find and having just an all round back somebody
who could like start, you don't want to take Commerson second?

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Yeah, he you know what, you know what my fae
wants to do. He wants to he wants to run
the ball, he wants to be physical. They can do
both those things, Dude, that I love. I love to
pick Will Campbell too his cat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
And then Shirt was telling me that there are people
were like measuring my arms versus his arms, which on
social media. Yeah, I think the arm thing is so
fucking dumb. Here's why ninety five percent off its linemen
are not using their length anyway. So if you have
long arms, it's like we're losing four five six inches.
If this Will Campbell kid refines his game a little
bit and uses length, which he does. You see in
a lot of his LSU film. If he gets pinpoint

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accuracy with those strikes, his arms are gonna be just
long enough.

Speaker 12 (01:10:29):
I mean, what do you mean by using your limp?
Because I feel like if you shoot too crazy and
you miss, you done.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
That's a tight ends comment right there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Here's the thing, and he's talking about long arms, Like
when you feel somebody hit you with the long arm
and there's nothing that you're able to get inside on you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Yeah, yeah, you can't reach somebody's body.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Lie, I'm not a long arm guy. I'm gonna catch it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Yeah, you catch him, bring him in a whole lot
because you don't have to block for very long, you know,
on a lot of things like if you you would not,
I would check be and I'd be out there to
help you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
Back, But if you are a fourth overall pick and
you're going to play left tackle for and you're gonna
protect Drake May's blind side, like you, length is the
most underutilized thing and the most helpful thing in offensive
lineman can do. If you're able to just keep the
guy away from your body, Buddy, I'm telling you, it
is an absolute game changer. Shout out Mike Sullivan because

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when I came to the league, I didn't use any length.
I was all just I just played with my feet
and I was strong on everybody in college. Once I
use my length, like that's when I really took the steps.
And this kid, he's got the attitude. I start watching
highlight videos of this dude. My god, he does the
fucking EyeBlack and then there's one where it's like he
goes up to the camera and he's like, tell them
bitches and shit the fuck down, and then all of

(01:11:40):
a sudden it goes to him just like dumping cats
and that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
That was football poll training camp. He was honored to
wear number seven throughout training camp, like you know, because
seven is like the Covenant.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Yeah, you've seen the video of him squading six hundred pounds.
He there's one he's like in the LSU. He gets
the way it was back, the whole team around him,
and he looks at the camera, winks, and then squats
the funk out of it. I got I got spumps
thinking about this cap mowing down the AFC, mowing these

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bitches down. He's dotted and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Do the show with us man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I love you know
I love the bus in the back of the bus,
you know how with them.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, the microphones.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I know they Tennessee fans. You know, man, we ranked
thirty two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
I did see that ranked low is due to the
least draft capital over expected, indicating limited value in their selections.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
They just added nothing. That might just mean like they
were expected to probably trade the first overall pick. Why
would they don't know?

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
People were pretty like they did those middle rounds.

Speaker 12 (01:12:52):
They see the stadium win nuts when that fan, when
the when we hit cam Wood.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I mean going to hear the outside noise has thirty two.
But I feel like everybody in Nashville who sees all
these offensive players that the Titans took, everybody's elated knowing
what the Titans have done.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
Let's have a come to Jesus conversation about what the
expectation should truly be for the Tennessee Ties this year
in Cambell this year.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
Do that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
No, yeah, don't do that. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Aore.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
So here here's the deal. I think the record if
you go seven and ten, but you're showing a massive upswinger,
losing games and a very slow, small fashion, you're not
making done mistakes. You can see all three phases doing
their jobs and it just happened to be. Hey, the
kick went in. It was a long kick. He made
the kicks. So they end up winning by one, and
that's your record at seven and ten. We should sit

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here be proud of that. You know that Callahan's the
guy still blah blah blah, because if they start the
way they started last year, Callahan's gonna have his ass
out the door pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
They only start the way that happens if cam Ward's
making the same.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
But Will Will Will was making some bonehead fucking moves
and he was memed every week for the first five weeks, right, yeah,
four for four, Yeah on the meme zone like that.
That's that's a tough deal. But this cam Ward could
like first overall pick. He was zero stars, all the things, whatever.
Bill Callahan has a history of all the quarterbacks that

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he's had in the past. If he's decent this year
and shows a couple of flashes. This is actually a
quote from JP because I really agree with it. We
should all be proud of that. We don't need this
cat to be We would love for him to be offensive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Rookie of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
We love him to be Jade Daniels. Let's have a
reasonable expectation for the growth because everything is saying Titians
are still in a rebuilt. It seems like they had
a good draft. They went after some things. I didn't
see a tackle get taken. Actually, we need a right tackle.

Speaker 12 (01:14:56):
We got one in the freezing. We got a free agent,
but he gave up the most goddamn.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
Oh yeah yeah Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah, that scares me.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
A little eighty million dollar deal.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
I feel you on the being happy if cam Ward
is like decent, But bro, quarterback can turn shit around.
I mean, just look at both Jane Daniels c J.
Stroud their teams bow Knicks the year.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
I don't disagree at all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
The year before, like think Houston was abysmal as an organization,
everything talked about. CJ. Stroud comes in, they get a
new head coach, Andy get Will Anderson and CJ. Stroud
in the first round, and just like that, Bro, they
are weapons.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
That's fantastic. I don't disagree with those two examples, but
we're talking about a massive sample size of a lot
of first round quarterbacks, a lot of expectations. You didn't
even throw bow Knicks in the mint mix.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I said, I said, yeah, so, like, yes, that is great.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
I think a Denver step would be awesome. Like you're
in that playoff hunt at the end, yeah, and you're
kind of control your destiny if they have a year
that the Denver Broncos had this year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I am.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
I think I sit there at the end of this
twenty twenty five season thinking, boys, we got something cooking.
If I'm a Denver fan right now, I'm thinking we
got something cooking over here. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
It's truly on the feeling of the queue man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
When Houston got done, it's like, we have a fucking quarterback.
San Denver got done. Like obviously bo Nicks has some
growing pains earlier in the year and then got going
in the back off the year. It's like, you know,
Denver might be nice this year because they got a
quarterback Jay Daniels. You watch his year unfold as the
rookie of the year. It's like, we have a fucking
franchise quarterback. Right It's gonna come down to like if
you feel at the end of the year, cam Ward

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is our dude, no matter where that record kind of
sits like if you're saying cam Ward is that dude,
you're sitting around maybe right over five hundred, but you're
feeling great. Yeah, You're got the future of cam Ward
as your quarterback for a very long time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
If you, as a fan, are able to sit there
in December early December and go, we could make the playoffs.
If that's what we need to understand, that is this
should be the X. That should be the bare minimum
expectation for the Titans this year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I feel that is where you're like, you're in.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
A good spot because honestly, if I'm Washington, I'm more
nervous than I am. I'm excited obviously because you have
a quarterback here, the franchise Dan Quinney is incredible, but
I'm also nervous because you went to the NFC Championship
last year, like that is your one game away from
going to the super Bowl, and to recreate that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
And do that again is very, very difficult.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
I am, I'm in a very optimistic state if I'm
the Broncos, as you know they're going to take a
step up. As a Washington fan, you're hoping they do
the same thing as they did last year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
But knows that they overachieved, and when they beat the Lions,
it's like, man, this is this isasing down Golias. Right.
So I think they have like that level of expectation
and that like level of awareness to where you're gonna
see what happens. But bro, imagine being on the squad
knowing that you've got a quarterback in the in the room,
like think about a killer under center.

Speaker 12 (01:17:49):
Think about it. You brought in Uh what Tyler Lockett?
I mean that boy, Now you got two deep threats.
Now you just you can even just throw a hell
Mary up for him. He's still like that he just
had a down. Yeah, Bro, he's like, uh, he bomb,
you throw a bomb. He goes, get gonna work. He's
like t b older, he's old, Like I get it.

(01:18:13):
You know, he's still say this is a graveyard. They're like, oh,
this is the graveyard for receivers. I don't think for him. No,
And then bringing in cam Ward, I think that opens
up his door. I think that's gonna help him. I
I really believe that he's gonna be a you got
a veteran presence.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
The way they've talked about Tyl Locket Seattle over all
the years that he's been there as far as leadership,
the way he shows up to work everything, it's gonna
be a ying and Yang. It's gonna be great for Cam.

Speaker 12 (01:18:36):
Yeah, and he he literally made a video, actual video
to every person who got drafted to the Titans.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
That's right, that's lock.

Speaker 9 (01:18:46):
It will be good for these wide receivers that we
drafted are similar builds, Dyke, we gotta get shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I just think it's gonna be a whole different dynamic
in that in that locker room, and I'm excited.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
I think they have to have success before the true
dynamic shifts. I think they brought in good leadership. But
think about like after the twenty nineteen season, we sat
there as like players and we're like, yo, we have
a fucking squad. Yeah, Like we can go win this
motherfucker for real twenty twenty. Like I remember OTS in
twenty twenty being like, well, we actually didn't have OTS
in twenty twenty, but like this going into the season

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of twenty twenty being like, we can really win all
of it. And there's a different level of intention when
you actually know your team can.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Win it, yeah, and you believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Yeah, Really, when you really believe it. And that's where
Washington sitting right now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
That's what I'm saying. That's where these teams are sitting.
When you got like, yo, this quarterback is nice, and
then you realize, like your roster is good enough. Your quarterbacks,
damn sure is good enough. You're like you're moving throughout
the offseason like you're ready to go win the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Right, Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
See right now on the AFC South FanDuel odds, Yeah,
the Houston Texans plus one twenty five, this is the
future to win the AFC South Texans plus one twenty five,
Jacksonville plus two seventy Colts plus three fifty, and then
the Titans plus one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Rast we just get dis.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
I mean you might as waged.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
I'm gonna hammer that. That's respect.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
I think the worst team in the modern football era,
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Sitting up there. Who you got one in the division?

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
The Titans? Man, what the fuck?

Speaker 10 (01:20:15):
Come on?

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Of course, always the Titans, bron I'm never gonna go
against the Titans under Wins.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
I wonder if they're over under on Wins went up
after drafted draft, because like if it's like five and
a half, six and a half, because you got.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Cam Ward, just the juice and the swag in the
squad half.

Speaker 12 (01:20:45):
Everybody in the stands gonna be doing that. Everybody in
the stands gonna do that. They did it when they
when they drafted, when they drafted them, people was doing that.
Ship I'm like, God, so everyone was doing it at
the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
I'm like this, I do want to say to all
Titans fans. Jack McPherson was the first Titans fan to
get a photo with cam Ward as a Titan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Oh, I'll believe it.

Speaker 9 (01:21:08):
It was awesome.

Speaker 14 (01:21:09):
Dude, Like Delanne is saying, he's a humble cat. But
I'm pissed we had football slaying around. I could have
been the first player.

Speaker 15 (01:21:15):
Ever player, first player ever to catch a pass.

Speaker 13 (01:21:20):
From the number one overall pick in the twenty twenty.

Speaker 14 (01:21:22):
Five NFL Draft, but I got the photo with them.
I'm so fired up about the Titan season. I'm ready
to be hurt again.

Speaker 13 (01:21:29):
So it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yeah, I mean I know you probably hurting that thing.

Speaker 14 (01:21:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that we're over that. It's gonna
be a Titans fall. I mean the balls too. We're
not gonna talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Will Buddy Zero promise you there's nothing in me wants
to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
If I know you guys aren't talking about well, what
would you guys talk about nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
I don't even know why he would say anything like this.
This is what the coffee thing, the coffee thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
In Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
What happened there?

Speaker 13 (01:22:02):
He's talking about the Oh, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
I didn't want to bring up there my bad.

Speaker 13 (01:22:08):
No, I just you know, I think the ball is
my they're in the rebuild. Who knows it's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Gb O, fir up gv Oh.

Speaker 14 (01:22:19):
I'm so ready for football season to be here. B Yes,
we have a We played away Week one last year
against the Bears, so I assume we'll probably have Week
one at home. Yeah, the atmosphere and it could go
all downhill after that, Like if we have one bad game,
we're right back to where we started. But for about
twenty minutes right before pregame, Flyover hits National Anthem's going.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
All your same game, all your same game, parlaser in.
You're like, I'm about them.

Speaker 13 (01:22:50):
I can't do we go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
I'm there, we go there week one, Hold, I'll be
there week one. Yeah, I'll be there. I'm always there,
busting field trip. We got the whole stadium, going to do.

Speaker 13 (01:23:02):
The twelfth Man and put the sword in the middle.
I know you've done.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
They won't Taylor, but so everybody. But like I say, man, look,
he will be.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
I always try to put it active NFL football.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Say he will be when you know he's got what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I think he will be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Man, Why Taylor never come with you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Why Taylor will never come up?

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Like you know situations? No, they always ask will too,
but they want to know, you know, will never be
the twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
I'll be around when I'm when I can be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
That was unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Have to say that far.

Speaker 10 (01:23:37):
I will trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
I am aware and I know that was just a shot.
That was just a shot was necessary.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
I will be back around when it's appropriate for me
to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah. Yeah, And I say that all the time. I
always say that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
I love for the Tiants always they win the division
this year, But I love for the what what? I
don't think they won the division this year?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
And I think there's being realistic, Like you know, I
can't say nothing because I know how I am with
the Oscars.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
I just know when Marcus Mariota came his first year,
we were Dogs. The first year he got there. First game,
I got hurt. That's bro.

Speaker 12 (01:24:13):
If I didn't get hurt, we probably would have kept going.
I got hurt in the time of Bay game. Remember
I missed two weeks after that and I came back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
We lost the row we started, Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
We won three games that year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Oh, the first we started. The second year was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
First.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Those years, when we get closer to this and then
in the summer time me closer the fall, all starts,
all start waving the flight for the Titans. Logically we
got to sit there. We're probably not gonna win the
division this year. I would love if we're fight for
that sixth seventh playoffs. Yeon, sorry, that's what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
What do you think of the five and a half
games over under?

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
So last year I I hammered the overs at four
and half and it did not hit really, But I
love the fact that on the Fanuel sportsbook it's minus
one thirty five right now for the over. So that's
telling everybody, hey listen here, but it's probably over.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, So I will be betting the over. Yeah, I'll
probably take that, and I will I.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Am going to bet the future plus one thousand of
Titans winnings.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Where is the schedule out?

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
No, you know, they do some bullshit. That's the most
annoying part of.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
The schedule comes out, I think like May fifteenth, May eighteenth,
So then we can react about it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
And I already want to give a shout to the
Chargers once again crushing it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
They do.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
They do the best on the on the announcements.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Yeah, the best.

Speaker 12 (01:25:34):
Well yeah, they had a lot of people pissed, but
the Chargers, they had one person literally pissed. Who's that
the receiver from uh the Raiders? Now he's in Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
What's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
No, he played with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers Gotte, Yeah,
he had the Rams. Now, gotta watch your film. I
don't really care you up on that draft and stuff
like that. Boy, the trades and nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
You just want to do. We feel good?

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
We feel right? Oh just just you guys know, I
just saw a report that Battle Camp is number three.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Oh, battle Camp number three on Netflix.

Speaker 12 (01:26:17):
Yeah, And someone actually hit me up about that this morning,
like I just saw your boy on Netflix. I'm like, yeah, man,
that's dope that he did that, right bro Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
I still feel like this is fake. But Wednesday, we
get off the plane connecting in Chicago and some two
Asian chicks walk up to me like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
You're on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
You're the host of the show, right, and I'm like Yeahflix.
But they were so aggressive it. I was like, this
is not they Someone set this up. I was kind
of hoping he hasn't tell me that is it? Was
it a set up? I have no because that was wild.
The show just released that day Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Though you know they watching that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
They love these reality TV shows, love them, love them,
and it was fun.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
It was fun to do. Shout Out Tony. The boys
are saying they want to get Tony on the bus.
Tony actually when he was done, when he left the
show in the middle of shooting, He's like, let me
get on the bus. And I told him then and
I'll say it now. Non No, that's U.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Louis Louis Doe too.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
But Tony's like he lives in Miami five Yeah, Yeah,
funny as hell. Shout out bou Free, shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
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(01:27:52):
and peach honey pear the bus pole. As we do
our shoutout bou free shoutout, we will also go around
and take a pole. You'll give your shout out, and
you also say, if you are a drizzle boy or
a dunk boy, do you like to drizzle the sauce
on your biscuit or do you like to dunk your
biscuit in the sauce? So just keep that in mind
when getting the shout out no or shut up bou
free shout.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Out, and Bojogles both yeah, boufree shout out and Bojangles
hooked it up with the sauces too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
Yeah, they got lots of sauces over here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Shout out both shout you guys mind money. If I
go first for.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
Let me just pass this back to y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
My name is Will Compton and my shut up beaufree
shout out this week is going to go to Clay
Matthews on the mic at the NFL Draft. Oh man,
that was a plus troll, A plus delivery, went viral,
took the internet by storm. But that's my shout up,
bo free. Shout out is Clay Matthews on Draft night

(01:28:52):
having the opening mic. And again my name is Will Compton.
I would like to say that I am a dunker
with my cajun can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I speak of play. Will never ever get to do
that again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Doesn't matter, doesn't matter, one and done, leave a legend
and make the moment that will be remembered forever.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
It ain't get off, get out he was when he started.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Because we're literally on the side he's I got.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
I start the phone, do something, thinking myself, oh my god,
what is he doing right now?

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Saying I said, where is he going with this?

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
Crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
When he did that, I fucking die.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I will say to I know you guys are talking
about that, but I'm STI thinking about the cage and
play biscuit. Like when they say drizzler, were talking like
drizzle and then eat it. Yeah, I do like to
like drizz like drizzle as I go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
That's what they mean.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
Drizzler okay, okay, my name's Tilly Drizzling Sir, my name's
Tail the one, and my shout up for a shout
this week goes to kids play. I went to I
went to my kids play on Friday, flew back from
Green Bay early in the morning. Was a grumpy boy

(01:30:07):
all day. But the acting in those things, actually every
single year was gone a whole lot better.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
But my they did.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
They did a play on finding Nemo Want. My daughter
was a sting ray, my oldest win was a sting ray,
and my youngest was a dolphin. In the movie, there's
one stingray and there's no dolphin. So there's all the
little kids in the back and they're like, do like
these like sequence choreographed like hand gestures which they were
all off on and they were seeing pretty much just mouthing.

(01:30:36):
I have a video of my youngest daughter yawning during it.
I'm just like this. And they they finished, and they're
so proud of what they accomplished by standing on stage
for an hour, and it is it's it was awesome
to see. So shout out my kids play.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
And I'd like to say, for.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
The most part, I'm a dunker. I think Situationally, the
drizzler comes in driving what Will is doing right now.
If you're sitting in a chair with nothing really place,
that's when you drizzle. But for the most part, I'm
sitting at the counter. I order my bow jangles, my
cage and biscuit. I sit down at the table to
eat it. I'm going to donk all day because you
get more sauce that way, and everyone knows I'm a

(01:31:13):
saucy boy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Yes, sure, ye'ah.

Speaker 9 (01:31:18):
I can go first, all right, my bow or am
I shout on bow free shout out?

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:31:25):
First off, Yes, I'm Garrett Hargas. My bow free shout
out is going to go to people that hustle for
what they love. Shout out Jack beebe. You guys stepped
on that rug on the way into the bus.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
He made that.

Speaker 9 (01:31:39):
He reached out months ago, so this has been months
in the making for him to get it here. Unfortunately,
you guys were gone at the draft, but he came by.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Was stoked.

Speaker 9 (01:31:48):
He wants to make one for the locker room. So
I want to just shout out guys that have something
that they want to do, push to get it. And
then you know he was able to come yeah, make
it happen. I told him, I was like, hey, hit
up people, he asked me. He was like, I don't
want to be the guy that hits people up too hard.
But if I don't, then I didn't try. And so

(01:32:09):
we had a good conversation. But I want to shout
out Jack Baby, and I'm a dunker for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Nice Jack Baby, shout out jack that rut.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
I'm a big fan of that, the small details that
Bust has got the last couple of months, Mike deals
who that was Evan Kobe and then Jack Baby Jack
Bby with the rugs.

Speaker 9 (01:32:31):
The linebacker at ball State. Well, he was he was
bummed you weren't here.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Yeah, you brought up fans that we love. I like
to have a pet Peeve should not? I don't know,
because I do.

Speaker 13 (01:32:46):
I literally I was gonna respond to him fueling the fire.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
I know two times yesterday I looked at it. I
actually went I wrote a d M to him, and
but you know, just so you know, you're annoying as
fuck you're talking about Yeah, But but I ended up
I end up, Yeah, bro, I ended up erasing it.
I am not sending the DM because I'm thinking he'll scream,
shot it and put it out. But I do feel
that way like this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
He's got a point where I don't know if he's
a Tier one for the boy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Yeah, but his.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
Bio says tier one tie He's not like he's not.
If I'm having a cookout and I'm inviting fans, he's
not getting invited.

Speaker 15 (01:33:23):
He's gonna be devastated.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
So basically, fuck that guy, is what I'm saying. But
I'm not gonna even say this. Rule number one in
the Lttle one household, Act like a bitch, get treated
like a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
He's acting like a bitch even more.

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
Shout out the good fans.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
Shout out the good fans out there, Jared Beeby having
couve those boys. That's so Jack bebe and I'm Jonah
Blank right now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Who's our who's our boy? That's always got our live
shows from Caleb? Caleb?

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Yes, yeah, Oh he's talking about the unit.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Yeah yeah, he's a dog.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
Shout out Caleb.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
My my name is Mitch Carsley. You started this. I
shout out no free shout out this week. Whoa whoa,
whoa whoa my shout out bo free, shout out my
bad my beat to uh goes to redemption.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Dumb one.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
We were in Uh hey, we were who would have
called this? Obviously we were at the draft this past weekend.
Oh yeah, there was a forty yard dash thing there.
I wanted to run it and so and then all
the boys like, yeah, go run it, go run it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
For sure.

Speaker 6 (01:34:30):
I ran it, ran a five three five three seven. Obviously,
I was pissed Will Taylor. They were just on my back, like, bro,
I can't believe Taylor. Three hours later, Bro, what's crazy?
He's like, I've been thinking about it all day, thinking
you're gonna say something profound. Mitch really ran a five
three seven. I'm like this, motherfucker, get off my back.

(01:34:52):
It was but then, yeah, it was awful. And then
three hours go by, like literally, we're walking back to
our airbnb eleven thirty at night, eleven thirty, places closed down,
there's nobody there. We were walking by it. I'm like, yo,
I kind of want to run it again, and Willa
Taylor like yo, go huh like do it? Like now,

(01:35:12):
it's your chance, if you want to redeem yourself. I
had to hop the fence, got in that three point
stance and was out ran a four to seven did
it again? Ran a four to seven again? Mind you pants,
been standing all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Day, all day, no cleats, no warm up, no warm
up like long day.

Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
Long ass day. And I was able to redeem myself.
I went from the least athletic person on the bus
after running the first one to I would like to say,
reclaiming my spot. It's the most spot. But shout out, beaufree,
shout out to redeeming yourself. And I am a dunker

(01:35:55):
when it comes.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
To dunked on us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Wait, did you what did you run at your pro day? Will?

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Four five six?

Speaker 10 (01:36:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (01:36:05):
Ship?

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
I would like to think. I would like to think
if I were like training and ship like I could
get four five Yeah, that's what I ran. I ran
a four five six in college.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
That is that is all right?

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
Man? What's the hater?

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
What's the hating for?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
He's quick?

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:36:29):
No, I was impressed. I was impressed by it. Well,
come on now, like, I'm how old are you?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Twenty six?

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
What do you?

Speaker 8 (01:36:41):
What do you?

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
Don't try to say me. I was just kind of
rolling my eyes. But the whole situation, like all of it,
if you guys, turned into something.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
You think you're running four five hand.

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was impressed. I was impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
I feel like there's a massive but no, no, but
here's what I.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
Would say to you future, be more figure out a
way to be more confident in yourself about it, because
you were wearing it heavy after that five free second.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
Well yeah, because I'm like, I'm not that slow. And
the Instagram comments were coming. Oh, I'm sure if.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
You live, if you live by the cheers, you'll die
by the booze.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Man, how was he carrying himself?

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
You know exactly the way Mitch just took it like
he took it personal, took it. Yeah, it took it personal,
but like he was pouting, he was powering, was padding
And yes, did we pepper a little bit more, no doubt,
but that's what bros do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
I wasn't ping. I was pissed that I was. I
was disappointed in myself.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
And your body language show that you were disappointing myself.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
I was like, come on, man, like just like that
internal battle, like you're better than that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
He cares, he cares. I listen all the things. I'm
proud of you. You came back, you got punched in
the mouth early in the day, you got punched in
the mouth. There were people, the lights are on, there
was a laser, fans everywhere to watch you run. A
lot of people a bustle with the boys. Fans were
crowding around to see you run a five three seven
nighttime no one's around. It's what you do when no

(01:38:12):
one's around that that defines your character. And you ran
a four to seven. You ran a four seven. I
just said, yes, did you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Do you feel like Taylor's proud of you?

Speaker 6 (01:38:23):
Though, Mitch, uh not really. I feel like this is
kind of like a backhanded compliment.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
What do you mean, dude, you did good?

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I just said you did yeah, But like there's just
this connotation that is, like I feel a native.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
You know what, if everybody's feeling it, let me figure
it out a way to rewrite this. Mitch, you are
very fast. Great job and statement and statement that was
very fast. That was really that was really good. I
was impressed. The most impressive to me was standing around

(01:38:54):
for five hours.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
You said three.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
It was way more than three hours, way more. It
might have been eight. Yeah, yeah, it might have been
eight hours for real, because that was early in the
day and we didn't get done to eleven thirty. Yeah,
and then you took a challenge in eleven thirty. It
didn't even stretch before, by the way, which is awesome
for you. Sickening in my head because I'm thinking if
I did that, break my shit would break. So yes,

(01:39:16):
very impressive, proud of you. Can we go to Sherman now?
Do you feel good?

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
All right?

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
Hey guys, my name is Sherman Young Junior. My shout out,
boufree shout out is the boys having your back. There
was a situation where it was late after Mitch Wren,
after Mitch ran his four to seven, we were handing

(01:39:45):
out some hats to some fans. One of the fans
was a drunkie boy and he thought we're handing out
Nebraska hats because he saw Will Compton and so he
slapped the hat out of my hand and yelled in
my face, fuck Nebraska, wow and fuck you. And I
have never seen a human react as fast as I

(01:40:06):
saw Taylor jan come up to me and go was
he kidding? Was he kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Do I need to talk to him? What's going on?
Like it?

Speaker 7 (01:40:13):
And it was all in Taylor's face of like he
was like I hated that that guy disrespected you. I
don't like that, and it's sick to see that from somebody,
and then Mitch coming up to me later and being like, dude,
I really want to apologize. I felt like I should
have had your back more in that situation. I should
have stepped up, and I was like, you have nothing

(01:40:33):
to apologize about, Like it was totally fine, But the
fact that the boys are like swooping in like that,
that's a cool feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Old Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Oh yeah, no, I like.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
You hailed that really well, because that would have been
a lot of conflict.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
I think everybody knew that this dude was just blacked out.
He was like one of three or four guys there,
and the other guys knew who we were, and they
were just fired up to They're like, hey, can you
get a pick? And the dude was like oho this
He's like, oh man, I was the first one. He's like, oh,
Will Compton, He's like who, and he's like, oh, he
played in the brask I want to say he might
have been an Iowa fan, not the not the drunk guy,
but the buddy that was wanting to get a photo.

(01:41:10):
And so everybody was really cool except for that dude. Yeah,
and he's like, man, funk Will Compton, fuck the breast.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
I don't think you saw him slap the hats.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
I saw it. I saw and I kind of just
sat there. I'm like, this dude is so you know,
nine cheeks and take. He was like, I need one
of his boys to kind of like help him out
because this dude like he's just he's at such a
drunk face where he's just wanting to cost case. Yeah,
because he was like he was kind of like leaning
sideways back and forth.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
He was all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
And then I want to say, oh, he might have
said like Michigan. Did he say Michigan. He was just
saying whatever it was. He's just trying to just one guy,
this one guy who was yeah, I'm not swinging. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:47):
I was just like, you know, someone's got to say
something back up. It was crazy. I think I said
something to his boys and I would have just checked
get him out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
I'm like, I'm checking your pockets because may get you
in the alley. Later.

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
Oh my god, Delaye went back to crinch of Delay
rides for his boys.

Speaker 9 (01:42:14):
It was a cool feeling.

Speaker 7 (01:42:15):
It was a cool feeling, and then I don't want
to speak for that guy. I feel like he's probably
a dunker, the guy that slapped down my hands. I'm
a drizzler.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Really.

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
Yeah, well, I think it's more of like what the
sauce is in, because I got that honey packet, and
I naturally just wanted to drizzle the honey packet, whereas
if it came in a cut I would dunk.

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
The way it comes in changes everything.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
How you gonna tracket you can't?

Speaker 5 (01:42:41):
Can't? That pours it all out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Yeah, like Tommy boy, Actually.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
That's a good view of that. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
I like, thank you, thank you, And two, I just
want to throw this out there. I think it also
depends on the size of what you're holding, like if
you're if you have a you have a cup, and
especially like the smaller ones, the ones that are like
this and you got a fresh uh biscuit, hard to
dunk right away, poor little But once you get bites

(01:43:14):
where you now have eggs and now you can start scooping,
you st dunking and scooping.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
That's a tough that's a tough way to answer that question,
because you're correct, there's.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
So many layers of the dunk yeah, game.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Within the game, Yeah, while you're playing chess man.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Alrighty, yes, it's my turn. I am Delaney Walker.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Hi.

Speaker 12 (01:43:36):
Everyone, My shot out both free shot out is going
to go to egg producers. And the reason why I
say this if you have never been in a chicken
barn with fifty thousand chickens and you have to check
every water line, every feed line and get rid of

(01:43:58):
the poop and pack those eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Dude, they go.

Speaker 12 (01:44:03):
Through a lot just to make sure everyone has eggs,
healthy eggs, free range eggs. So shout out to them
for doing all of that. I got to see that
last week. I got to see that two days ago,
actually chicken farm being ran and what they go through
in the life and day of a chicken farmer.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
And it ain't easy.

Speaker 12 (01:44:24):
So shout out to those guys that make sure we
have healthy eggs so we can feed our kids ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
And uh yeah, you know what I mean. And then
am I a dipper or a drizzler d D dunker?

Speaker 12 (01:44:37):
Well, the crazy part with me is I usually just
pour the sauce onto the sandwich because then you get
the variety of everything.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
Is that a drizzler drizzler. Yeah, you're just a different
variety of drizzler. You're a subcategory of yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Because I usually poured the ranch, the barbecue all together
on the sandwich.

Speaker 12 (01:44:57):
So it's like, you remember that old commercial, will be like,
if it don't get all over the place, it don't
belong in your face.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
That was not a commercial. That was a video you
typed in a porn hub.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
It'll get over your I that is a commercial back
in the day. I'm just not gonna say the name
because it don't matter what commercial it was. But it
was for sure commercial was for sure commercial. All every
all the fans busting tier ones tell them it was
a commercial, that it was a commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
But I we know you be on porn hub. Now,
thank you for letting us know that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
Huh you need ID to get on I D now, yeah,
are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
And for the record, I'm not then how you know
all of is because you actually it's like somebody.

Speaker 12 (01:45:43):
It's like somebody when they start giving you all the
information about only fans, be like, but I'm not on there,
But how do you know, bro?

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
I met a guy. I met a guy in Vegas
and manages a bunch of only fans people, and he
was just telling me about the business. I'm thinking, this
is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Yeah, that's that's why.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
Yeah, I'll ask him next time I see him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
He honestly, I'm not a fan of pouring the sauce
on the sandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Really, you don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Get it all over this because what I don't like
about it is I feel like it doesn't matter how
much you put on there, it soaks into the bread,
so you're not getting the experience tasting the sauce that
you would like.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
Could not have said it better myself. That is awesome,
because I do. I think you drizzle in the beginning.
If you have a massive Cajun file a biscuit in
your hand, you do drizzle the first one, but you're
really taking a big enough bite where you're kind of
working off corners the rest of the time. Yeah, because
I am all about myself.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
Because even when you're eating, like even saying I'm eating
a burger and I'm eating the burger and I might
ketchup in mayo, I'll just in my head think like
I need more of this what I'm tasting, And I
thought I did a good enough job to where I'll
just put ketchup and mayo, mix it together and just
start dipping it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
I will say sandwiches, sandwiches and burgers, they need to
have a sauce already in there if you do ketchup
mayo mustard. But then after that, I need my extra sauce,
whether it be ranch or extra ketchup or whatever.

Speaker 12 (01:46:59):
For dunk as well, I usually just get like I'm
I'm gonna prefer to make like McDonald the Max sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
I need extra Max sauce on everything like that ship
go hard. I can't do. I won't eat a burger without.
You can actually buy like, not the actual Max sauce,
but some similar I put it on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Is it something like?

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
It's got other stuff in it though, like relish.

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
Yeah, I mean anytime I go to in and out Burger,
did you get a couple of extra Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Let me get it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
Let me a couple more of those sauces.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Sorry, we got it to thank you for being vulnerable
with the free shoutouts. Huh, thank you, thank you for
being vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Oh yeah, of course, man.

Speaker 12 (01:47:45):
You know I like to be criticized on certain things,
you know, Yeah, it's how you communicate.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
The way you eat sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
No, no, you don't think so. I think a lot
of people does it that I do it that way enough.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
That.

Speaker 5 (01:48:03):
I mean, bro, you were fucking jacked.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
I was just handsome. You know, that's just that's handsome
right there.

Speaker 15 (01:48:10):
Why hey, I have a question before we kind of
wrap this thing up.

Speaker 14 (01:48:16):
There is a question that is storming Twitter currently and
I need everyone's perspective.

Speaker 15 (01:48:21):
And we've kind of discussed it in and links, but
not specifically. This one hundred men versus one silverback gorilla?

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Who wins gorilla? Wait? What is it?

Speaker 8 (01:48:33):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
It is? Just a bare knuckle for bare knuckle?

Speaker 15 (01:48:36):
One hundred grown men versus one full grown silverback gorilla.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
I got a couple of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Yeah, how big are the people?

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
How big are the people?

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
How big are the man?

Speaker 13 (01:48:46):
We'll get your average average guys six foot?

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
I mean, you.

Speaker 14 (01:48:52):
Know a population kind of estimates? You got you got
a couple of guys all size. You got a couple
of guys okay.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Alla and sizes in on my one hundred boys, because
if he's one hundred of me, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Not up to anybody, I think to give you it
truly comes down to the moment the man like, just
take our crew and multiple by whatever. Twelve thirteen fourteen.

Speaker 14 (01:49:15):
The main argument for the Silver Gorilla is the first
motherfucker going in there is getting his neck snapped.

Speaker 13 (01:49:20):
So who is gonna be willing to die?

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
I think he just bummer us, that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
So you think you're saying the whole video, Yeah, if
we go out all at the same time, we got
to hit him at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
If we all hit him at the same time, I
think we get them.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Ain't no way in hell, bro, gorilla is taking down
all one hundred.

Speaker 13 (01:49:37):
I watched the video of two Silver guerrillas fighting each other.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
I ain't no way, bro, There's no way. Man. The
strength of these they can lift like and then fourteen
over their head. Think about think of how just tough
their is everything and what dude Like people can say, yeah, yo,
if we all go in, but who's gonna be the
one the several that's going on from the front, and

(01:50:01):
like you're gonna fall when you get that, people are
gonna die. But are you willing to die to take
down this gorilla? You all one hundred men have to
be on that same page way, and I'm saying, hey, yeah,
not joking around. I'm ready to die our bucket. No,
you get in this room and this gorilla walks out
of the fucking gate, the gate closes. All Right, who's
ready to step up and actually go attack this motherfucker?

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Okay, now I'm looking at it.

Speaker 12 (01:50:21):
If it's a hundred Americans gorilla, if it's a hundred
goddamn Africans, I'm talking Africans that be in the goddamn jungle,
I'm thinking them Africans is taking them down.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
They've done it. They have to if them gorillas coming to.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
They gotta do it with like weapons. There ain't no
nothing in the room except you, you guys and the
gorillas that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
This bust.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
And we said that what African Africans.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
Africans sat.

Speaker 7 (01:50:56):
Like, what's the pregame speech to one hundred guys?

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
You sit there, you're probably pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Yeah, yeah, we we die if you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:06):
The way I view this is like a colisseum s thing,
like you have a hundred guys walk in and it's
either gonna be you or the gorilla, and that fight
or flight is gonna take over. And I think at
that point you all have to band together and just.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
How can we hurt him?

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
Know, with our bare hands, that's what I'm eyes, gougeous eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
You get close to enough where he can grab you
or bite you.

Speaker 9 (01:51:28):
Even if a hundred dudes try to like dog pile him,
that's not doing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Yeah, I disagree so much screaming.

Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
You're not lying. That first guy goes in there, you
watch him get snapped into your go.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
That's all you all gotta go on one, that's what.

Speaker 9 (01:51:41):
Yeah, even even the first but even when you're not
coaching one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Who the hell came up with that scenario?

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Bro? There is the guys versus gorilla or bear verse gorilla.
I feel like it's a conversation that's been it's as
old as time. I remember sitting in UH when we
were washing and we talked about, like fIF the guys
versus gorilla because we're sitting there like it's like me,
Trent Williams, several people talking about it, and it's legitimately like,
there's no way in hell you can take a hundred
Trent Williams, like you ain't taking down the gorilla.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Bron Silver.

Speaker 5 (01:52:11):
Yeah, I think a bear takes a gorilla though.

Speaker 12 (01:52:17):
Yeah, I mean a bear a good one. It'll be
a good fight, because I've done seeing bears getting getting
crank card.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
So yeah, you think in the coliseum.

Speaker 12 (01:52:28):
They probably had that fight before, back in the coliseum,
back in the day, a gorilla and a bear.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
I'm assuming they had that fight, you would think so,
you would think so.

Speaker 5 (01:52:37):
I mean they were like famous for bringing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
To fight.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I'm taking the people though, I'm
taking the people. One hundred people.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Take the gorilla day on that one. It's just this
hard to see it happened.

Speaker 9 (01:52:51):
I lean gorilla for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:52:53):
Bro thinking about exhaustion, think about I just think.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
You just seen that gorilla.

Speaker 9 (01:52:58):
Good fight.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
What about.

Speaker 5 (01:53:01):
Gorilla? And it's not close.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
You take a hundred tail of one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Like watch this man walk up to these grill These Africans,
they're not scared of the gorillas. Like everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:53:12):
They walk right up these Africans. The whitest lady ever.

Speaker 12 (01:53:15):
No, it's an African leading the pack. She just she
he telling her stay back so you can film right here.
You can film right, don't be close. They smell your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
It's over for you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:25):
I mean, look at him fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
They're not even worrying about the people who just looking
at their ass.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Yeah, I take a hundred will I wouldn't I know
in my head, like if we're all in that room,
the the fight or flight, the fear, like it's like,
all right, which which one of us motherfuckers is going?
And all we all stay together. They think you they
big you one. They start dragging people's ship, limbs are
getting broken, yelling's half. It gets a little lighter. Well

(01:53:53):
a hundred guys, everybody's kind of getting exhausted, trying to
get to the grill, and it's like, fuck, hey he's
taking this out quick, bing big bang.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I'm just laid.

Speaker 5 (01:54:02):
I don't think he's being bing baning. I think it's overwhelmed.
And I think a hundred bodies on top, you're gonna
get that grilla down.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
You're gonna have them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Are we choking them?

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
You get you get him a circle, You circle that motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
And he doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:54:15):
He's looking around in all different directions.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
And right there, I'm on his back.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
Now another guy's on his back's grabbing a leg arm
arm Dowagian eyes were dow by his nut side, just
cranking on that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Some casualties.

Speaker 5 (01:54:30):
But I think I think it's actually a lot easier
than you think.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
I mean, I'm biting him. You gotta put.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
Yeah, you're you're shoving a fist up. Is that you're
doing what every.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
It's true.

Speaker 5 (01:54:45):
Your fish looking that lip, he's trying to he's trying
to bite.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
I'm biting him to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
I'm gonna bite.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
And then you got you got a couple of guys.
Just get that esophagus.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
To sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Shut the up. You're gonna win, say three forty five,
three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
God, they can lift over. They can lift for five
hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Oh yeah, they can live ten times over their body weight.

Speaker 5 (01:55:11):
Talking about bounce. We're talking about strategy. The brain dude,
were talking about brains.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
And then motherfucker's lifting up cars.

Speaker 5 (01:55:16):
You get around, you go twenty five, twenty five, twenty five,
twenty five, right, get him going, get him to come
over here, and then all of a sudden they get quiet.
Twenty five more. Now he's getting tired, he's breathing hard.
You get this strategically, you're actually going there like, who's
fucking two? What happens? Like you're going after this motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
The humans after he right, the humans may win if
you come in with a strategy.

Speaker 5 (01:55:38):
You talk about his teeth. Bro, I'm telling you you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Look around. No, he's gonna go out for somebody. Run.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Yeah you ain't.

Speaker 9 (01:55:49):
No, Yeah you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Tired out, run from him.

Speaker 12 (01:55:52):
Come keep on gathering them. Run every time he chased one,
run got he's gonna stop. You gather on man again
until he tired. I believe strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
You did say the.

Speaker 5 (01:56:03):
Beginning, And guess what, I've already evolved from the beginning
thought process. I thought we're gonna win. Now we're he's
running after me. Will is grabbing his legs, giving his
ass and the ladies in.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
The corner, but he swings the arm. He's killing four guys.

Speaker 5 (01:56:20):
Do you think is attached to his elbow like that's
not hurt, but like he's not killing. He's going like
this and people are dead.

Speaker 16 (01:56:26):
Crazy guy like James Bond, he talked about like he
talked about like Godzilla and King when he got the alarm.

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
And you're getting this guy so exhausted at some point,
you're just fucking body shotting this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (01:56:43):
You're finding you shutting him in there, he.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Got he got member, he's he almost like I just
I would be the runner this.

Speaker 5 (01:56:53):
I was just trying to imitate the second in this room,
in the shot, in the shot, with this shot.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
No fuck that. Now you're putting doors in the fucking
balls up. I don't like that. You want open field,
I want to open.

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
No, No, he'll run away.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
We got to gather.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
Just put him in Nissan Stadium, put him in on stadium,
locked the gates, and then put like a net over.
Now I got, I got movement, I got Yeah, he
gave ragon. This is a whole different ball. You're in
a tire mountain to the point where he's gonna go
fight or flight. There's a lot of these motherfuckers out here.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
I'm getting tired.

Speaker 5 (01:57:29):
I got to back up a little bit. Heres net.
Just go up the net and hey, buddy, you said
there as long as you want. Guess what my boys calling.
He's freaking out, trying to bite, trying to bite. Sorry, brother,
I'm yet your ass down there. And guess what. He
just fell thirty ft. Now get you gotta rib that
one's broken.

Speaker 13 (01:57:47):
Guess what?

Speaker 5 (01:57:47):
And yes, we're yeah, he climbed them out. You had
to follow the storage.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Now we're we know, we're because he's.

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
Grabbing a little bit. He's grabbing a little bit with
that fucking rim right, he's grabbing that fucking rip.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
A little bit so we know, breaking their wrists.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
Okay, he's got he Do you think he's like a
fucking Kung Fu panda over here though, douche. Yeah, this
mother for acting like this gorilla is just gonna go
out here and just look at us and we're gonna die.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
He's just gonna snatch off. Guys are running, bro. If
guys are running, pods are just getting murdered and killed.

Speaker 5 (01:58:19):
New game, New game Buddy System teams are four. Right,
one of our boys he grabs, we got three, that mother,
he's already.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
Three going in and.

Speaker 12 (01:58:28):
Look at the pie of his He is literally only
four hundred psi under a shark.

Speaker 7 (01:58:34):
Which a shark could bite you and have brows.

Speaker 5 (01:58:40):
You've seen a shark by someone?

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
Have they gotta do this?

Speaker 5 (01:58:44):
That's time you're gonna do it. You're doing that, bro,
that is time I'm telling you and talking about you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Gonna bite the grill. All the veneers are gonna rip out.

Speaker 16 (01:58:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
Example, that's a good a good moment. Also, just computed
that because my my human brain. This dude's got what
thirteen hundred and fourteen hundred per square inch of bite.
That's called maximum maximum velocity. Think about maxing out reps. Bro,
he's got three or four hard bites like that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
You're right, I have three or four motherfuckers on right,
three or four.

Speaker 13 (01:59:16):
You've got this.

Speaker 5 (01:59:17):
So now I got ninety seven, ninety six dudes, he's
run out of gas in the jaw category. Guess what
one of his weapons are now gone? And that's gonna
take a lot of fucking velocity. We've got him. It's
not close. I would even almost take seventy five. I'm
I'm telling you strate extra, I'm bro. Did I not
just paint a picture for you guys to think, Yeah,

(01:59:38):
they actually got a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
And we all were shaking our head.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
It was bully, no doubt. We're gonna have casualties. That's life, boys.
Bamp bam, bam bam. That is life.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Yeah, people, you get him, like if you if you.

Speaker 5 (01:59:50):
Walk in, hey, where are we going? And I'll just
come with us real quick. We got we gotta take
you somewhere. What's this tunnel about it? I just keep
going out there. It's a noise don't worry about it.
You walk through. They closed the gate. There's one hundred us. Hey,
you have twenty five minutes of grills coming in here.
You guys gotta beat that griller. Girls gonna kill all
of you, guys. I guarantee twenty five one hundred motherfuckers
are getting there in their stations, raid of rock, shaking.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
Wondering like, Okay, who's actually gonna be the first one?
You know?

Speaker 5 (02:00:15):
I say, I get up there and be like, boy,
some of you are gonna die.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
That is what if we die?

Speaker 5 (02:00:18):
We fucking die. My what I would say to you,
get the first hit out of the way, because yeah,
you're gonna be nervous. I'm never saying tell me I
put my hand on my heart for I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
Going the first. I mean that kind of makes sense.
They say it's.

Speaker 5 (02:00:30):
Impossible, Superman. I mean, I'm probably not.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
They say it's impossible for us to win without tools,
using tools or weapons.

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
Oh what, this dude's just made a kevlar.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
GPT.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
But this is when you see a bomb shelter grilling.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
I mean, they got tough skin, though, you gotta remember that,
like they skin is extra fucking.

Speaker 5 (02:00:48):
Who wrote this chat GBT said, they don't know ship. Dude,
they're still working through the kinks of chat GBT. It's
so new. You can't give a chat GBT hypothetical, Bro,
you have facts. I'm taking a hundred.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Damn who said that? Oh okay, I was.

Speaker 5 (02:01:08):
I'm sorry if my response did not make your expectations
approach you'd like to be to take. Should we get
to the floor, No, no, no, no no no type
this in shurm. How do the hundred people beat the
gorilla with no tools?

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
Yeah? See what he's saying. You know, it's gonna give
us some type of information. They got to always have some.

Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
Oh got it, overwhelming numbers. We already did that divide
the gorilla's forces.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Yeah yeah, just use of groups, psych college, just be
mean to him.

Speaker 5 (02:01:47):
Yeah, we had to insult this gorilla, target the weak spot, right,
that's what we're talking about. The ribshot he took. We
felt thirty feet from the net, exploiting grows national limitations. Right,
he's gonna get tired. Yeah, what's still heavily favorite the grill?
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
However, scenario this kind of.

Speaker 5 (02:02:09):
Were able to keep the grill distracted, working sync and
use their numbers to exploit the grilla's weaknesses. They might
have a chance, they said, winning, winning. Still, I'm not
reading more that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
In my head right now.

Speaker 5 (02:02:26):
You're saying there's a chance.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Yeah, it's a chance.

Speaker 5 (02:02:28):
I'm taking me and my boys any day of the week.
Maybe maybe I'm more of like a foreman, like a
general like that, I'll be behind the net. It's what
you guys should do. There's one hundred of y'all. You
guys should really hundred and one supporting and one supporting.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
The king sitting on the hill like we're gonna win
this war, so we have to pull back.

Speaker 5 (02:02:49):
No, all right, let's get the little floor man, let
the floor. I feel excited about it.

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Speaker 10 (02:04:38):
Hey, well you can't memorize that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
I probably can, but when it's just sitting there, it's like,
might as.

Speaker 10 (02:04:46):
Well you read it?

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Well, thank you?

Speaker 10 (02:04:48):
He got your education in Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Yeah, what's the end?

Speaker 5 (02:04:51):
Stand for knowledge?

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
That's right, That's why we get it done there.

Speaker 10 (02:04:54):
You know they say the same thing about Northern Michigan University.
Really it stands for knowledge.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
There you go, everybody, everybody just trying to copy thee
Yeah to copy league. It was funny when you were
when we were talking about halving my hand and everything.
When I was in Oakland or Vegas, my linebacker coach
like every game I'm like dapping somebody up from the
other team, like on the side during three game war whoops,
And he's always like, I feel like you could just

(02:05:19):
be the mayor. I feel like, you know somebody everywhere
we go to we'd have a nice little laugh about it.
But I did feel like once I got to the
back end, like it was. I was more just having
the greatest time I possibly could.

Speaker 5 (02:05:30):
Yeah, I mean you you were afforded the availability to
be playing at the highest level you can and in
the sport you love the most. Well, also not.

Speaker 10 (02:05:39):
Caring, and I think that is Yeah, No, he carred,
He cared. He cares so much. This guy had the
greatest punt sets I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
That he needs to hear that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
Braves always coaching me different, like, you know, there's some
different things fundamentally that if I was Yeah, if I
was apial, yes, and rad was, it was always about
the punch and for my length in my arms, like
I needed the guy to be in a little tighter
so I could finesse him a little bit. Because if
I'm just trying to release, most guys are gonna run
with me downfield, so I need them to kind of

(02:06:12):
be in my body versus shocking them because usually I
got I got the t Rex like use length, so
you got.

Speaker 10 (02:06:20):
You're not a great quality player, not a great something
that we always look at that arm length.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
Ray wouldn't even let me on Punk Return. I've talked
about it before, but I couldn't even like be on
Punk Return because they just talked about my arm lengths.
Yeah is it that? No, Bro, that's like it's like,
you know, stick getting them at the line of scrimmage.
We do those one on one remember we do those
one on ones in front of all the by Keith Carter.

(02:06:47):
But I'm saying at training camp when Ray would shut
it down and you do the one on ones, like
in front of everybody, do you do that with Green Bay? No,
it's not something you do with Green Bay. I just
feel like you got the blood flow going, like you gotta.

Speaker 5 (02:07:00):
Kind of the stress of having the team watch you
do a one on one. I don't think you could
replicate that in any other scenario.

Speaker 10 (02:07:07):
That a little bit more this year.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
I think it's good for competitive juices.

Speaker 10 (02:07:12):
That's good to know.

Speaker 5 (02:07:13):
I do like and if you're a young guy and
you're you know you're about to be called up.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Yeah, usually the like yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:07:19):
Some of you, but yeah, you might come up to
one of those guys respond.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
Because usually do one on ones, but you're always broken
up where it's stations. But when it's like the head
coach calls it up and you're he's calling out different guys,
you're sitting there in line being like, yeah, is he
about to call my number? And you just got that
little bit of anxiety A little bit. It's a lot
of it, Yeah, it is a lot.

Speaker 5 (02:07:40):
But I think the reason why you had the relationships
with everybody is your time with the Redskins and that's
where you come into.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Play, because that's where the nucle League is right now.

Speaker 5 (02:07:49):
It's incredible. Everywhere we got he was there, he was there,
we got fired. That is how did it not work
out there with that many brains?

Speaker 10 (02:07:59):
Well, I think it just goes to show you the
power of the player.

Speaker 5 (02:08:02):
I mean, this is a you hit it the Michael blow.
The power of the player.

Speaker 10 (02:08:07):
Yeah, you know, you got to have great players in
order to have success in this league. And not to
say that we didn't, I just for whatever reason, it
didn't come together. You know, we had the one good
year in twenty twelve where we won our division and
lost to Seattle and the playoffs Robert towards a cl

(02:08:27):
and the next year was a complete disaster. I think
we went three and thre Remember we got just smashed
by the Kansas City Chiefs and there was a That's
when I knew it was all over.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
That's what I gave who is it coach?

Speaker 5 (02:08:42):
Your years were done after that?

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
You didn't get retained by the I did not got you, no,
because a few of them did. Yes, yeah, sorry, Sewan did, Yeah,
Sean Raheem.

Speaker 10 (02:08:56):
There's a couple of guys.

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
Right, that's right, but not many. Yeah, many survivors.

Speaker 10 (02:09:02):
That's kind of the way of our you know, it's
the way of our profession.

Speaker 5 (02:09:05):
Yeah, how does it like does that ever eat at
you a little bit? Like knowing that this NFL stands
for not for long and you're just no, I do
think it.

Speaker 10 (02:09:14):
I just think that if if you're smart about it,
just ups your urgency level. You know, you gotta you
gotta be urgent and everything we do and you can't
take it for granted, even when you you feel like
you have a good team, Like to me, that's when
you have to push even more so you can't let
anybody kind of get complacent or rest and so yeah,

(02:09:37):
but that's it. But it's the beauty of our league too,
just the competitiveness. I don't think the.

Speaker 5 (02:09:45):
Hell is your head too?

Speaker 10 (02:09:48):
What we got up there? What kind of place are
we renting here?

Speaker 5 (02:09:53):
Josh Jacobs stay here when he first got here.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
I know That's what Eli Kingold he texted when he
saw video of our sports lessons, like this is spot
of run out of that's Wisconsin.

Speaker 10 (02:10:02):
Well, I mean, shoot, it's nice and convenient. Lambo's across
the crazy it is. It's an interesting set up here, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
It's a cool town. It's like knowing that you just
kind of like drive in this small town, then out
of nowhere Lambeo Field just popps. Yeah, it's kind of
the center of it all.

Speaker 5 (02:10:16):
You think this town revolves around the fall and then
preparing for the fall all the other seasons. Is like,
I can't wait for August to get here.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
It's got to be nice for a head coach knowing
that there's not as many distractions.

Speaker 10 (02:10:26):
There's zero distractions. So like, if you can't get the
most out of somebody here, I don't think you can
do it anywhere. I love it personally because we don't
have a lot of issues with our players, and our
guys can focus on football. I know, even for me,
and I think our coaches you could say the same
thing for I mean, you focus on your job and

(02:10:46):
your family.

Speaker 5 (02:10:47):
Yeah, well, Josh are telling us about your schedule. You
gotta love schedule. Wednesday is getting done at like three o'clock?

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
Is it that early?

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
That's what he says. Put it like this.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
He was giving you a lot of praise. He said.
If there's one thing he understands the efficiency EFFICI.

Speaker 10 (02:11:04):
Well, the one that's the only thing in life you
can never get back is time. Right, So I try
to make it just expedited as best we can. And
and I don't want to drag the days out. I
want our guys to get in, get their work in,
and then get out, go recovery.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
Do what you got to do.

Speaker 10 (02:11:24):
But there is an expectation. I expect these guys when
they go home that they're not just shutting it off.
That if, however, you've got to prepare to get yourself
to get ready for the next day. That's the expectation.
So you do put a lot of onus on the players.

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
If you were in a spot like l A or
Las Vegas, do you think you'd make the days a
little bit longer because of all the discinations. Yeah, probably
we're gonna do a good buffalo wallowings like shut we
had it last night.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
So beat ups is open, right, now yeah, yeah, Okay,
You've been around a lot of amazing coaches. Which coach
do you feel like you've gotten the most from as.

Speaker 2 (02:12:05):
Far as.

Speaker 10 (02:12:07):
Yeah, there's been too many good ones, you know. From
from Mike Shanahan, just the attention to detail and I
mean that guy could his focus was on another level.
To Kyle just he's never happy with anything. But I
think that that makes you better at what you do.

(02:12:28):
I mean there's you always feel that that urgency, that
pressure to you better think things through before you bring
him an idea, otherwise you're probably going to get your
face ripped off. To Sean, Sean was great with accountability.
Dan Quinn just kind of like our culture in our
environment a lot with shape from just being around him

(02:12:51):
and making it a place where people enjoy going to work.
And so I think you take something from everybody. Vrabel
was was good to. I mean, he's going to put
the most on the best players on the team and
you guys know that, and he's going to demand the
most out out of the best And so I think

(02:13:13):
you learn from from everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
I want to get I wanted I want you to
tell the story of the locker room at halftime with Taylor.

Speaker 10 (02:13:22):
Yeah, this is against the Jets, right, I think it
was the Jets game.

Speaker 2 (02:13:26):
They tried to.

Speaker 5 (02:13:27):
Bench Quentin Spain, and I was so mad because Spain
was hurt or might have been hurt or thinking about
being hurt.

Speaker 10 (02:13:35):
He had something going on.

Speaker 5 (02:13:37):
But there was no other guard and I was obviously
Spain at least at the very least trusted me, and
I could trust Spain to do the things I needed.

Speaker 10 (02:13:45):
Him to do.

Speaker 5 (02:13:46):
So Keith went to Rabel and was like, we got
to get Spain out of here. He's not playing well.

Speaker 10 (02:13:51):
Blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (02:13:52):
And then I went in and I think I called
Keith Cardar tattletale, which if looking back, look, I want
to use different verbiage.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
Walk it out.

Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
You're a fucking tattletale. There's no way to say tattletale
in a cool way. And he's like, would you say?
And I remember Mike Sullivan like pulled me out, and
then yeah, Ravee came in and I was like, Spae's
not playing a must not playing, Then you're not playing
Vrabel He's like, then you're not playing, and then we
got into it.

Speaker 10 (02:14:16):
But yeah, you guys were nose to nose, and I
remember I stepped in the middle. I'm like, guys, guys, guys,
and I gotta shut the fuck up, Matt And I said, yes, sir,
and I just went back to the board.

Speaker 1 (02:14:26):
Got there. I just.

Speaker 10 (02:14:30):
I mean, I was, I mean, look at me compared
to the size of these two guys. Are you kidding, guys, guys.

Speaker 1 (02:14:35):
Shut the fuck up, Matt Is.

Speaker 5 (02:14:37):
They ended up putting Ben in a guard and I
don't think of her like passed off games better than
my entire life with somebody like Ben was incredible at
guard And.

Speaker 10 (02:14:44):
I can't even remember the detail of that or why
why you guys were going nose and nose, But I
do remember we won the game in overtime. Ye are
right before overtime because we're getting our ass kicked in
that game. We won't at the the end of the game.

Speaker 5 (02:14:58):
Yeah, I started off that gave him like a I
don't think. I think in the first series like got
mode over one time. It was like a bad start
to the game, and then we started to catch a
little groove.

Speaker 10 (02:15:07):
Yeah, but it was.

Speaker 5 (02:15:08):
It was just turbulent times. Obviously, I don't like he
I didn't like I wasn't a fan of Keith, and
there was just like a bunch of other things you Keith.
I do I love that for you guys, man, I don't. Yeah,
I don't want to sit here just like be like
demonstersip about Keith, because I'm sure he does have good
qualities off the field, no doubt about it. But your
time in Tennessee, Like, are you running the same offense

(02:15:31):
as you did in Tennessee?

Speaker 10 (02:15:33):
No, I'd say it's I mean, you're ever evolving, right, yeah,
but you're still on like Quatro and absolutely the core
principles stay the same. A lot of the techniques and
fundamentals that we coach are very similar. I think the
philosophy around you know, your offensive game plan of trying
to marry up plays, trying to have the passing game

(02:15:54):
be an extension of the run game, and vice versa.
I think all that has stayed the same. But you
got to adapt to your personnel number one, and I
always try to try to see the game through the
eyes of the quarterback and try to figure out what
he does well along with the other ten men around him.
So that's how you you you try to implement your system.

Speaker 5 (02:16:18):
Do you remember that first OTAs in twenty eighteen or
that much of a shit show it was.

Speaker 10 (02:16:23):
Yeah, I remember we got our ass kicked. We had
a bad practice, and it was doomsday around the building
and I was like, oh my god, I hope we
never lose a game.

Speaker 5 (02:16:34):
As we went from just speaking from an office line perspective,
we were running like only gap scheme and only inside zone,
so there was no like running off the ball techniques.
You guys came in and started implementing these techniques that
I've never done before, a lot of guys had never
done before. So I remember the first day like, oh, hey,
we're going to run nineteen wanda, I'm going towards the
outside shoulder of the defensive end and Brian Ripo just

(02:16:56):
goes right inside immediately cause I sprint and he goes
right side immediately gets to TfL thinking myself, this we're gonna.

Speaker 10 (02:17:01):
This is terrible.

Speaker 5 (02:17:02):
I hate this, And it ended up being by the
end of both I was like, this is the greatest
offensive scheme ever.

Speaker 10 (02:17:10):
Well, good, I'm glad you came around.

Speaker 5 (02:17:12):
Yeah, because it really became like my obviously I like even.

Speaker 10 (02:17:16):
Your strengths because you're super athletic.

Speaker 5 (02:17:19):
Yeah, and then once like once a lot.

Speaker 10 (02:17:20):
More then the guys sitting next to you.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
Damn, justsary you do look.

Speaker 10 (02:17:29):
I know you look great in that fifty one in
the green.

Speaker 1 (02:17:32):
And gold, and get some positivity.

Speaker 5 (02:17:38):
Yeah, but that I I love that offense. I love it,
the Wanda, all of it. Yeah, just sprending off the
ball to cut offs like it became my favorite thing.

Speaker 10 (02:17:47):
But everything has to tie in together. The back's path
with the old line quarterback, everybody has the responsibility. You know,
we're gonna demand that the wide receivers block. And I
think that's one thing that I'm really proud of with
our group is they're they're gonna go battle. They're going
to fight their ass off on every play. And I
don't think you see that, you know, from every team

(02:18:09):
around the league.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
Uh can you? When you talked to when we were
talking to Josh last night, he also brought up a
conversation he had with Malik Willis. But it seems like
a constant when you talk to your players, is you
know how to teach the game? How did that start
to develop for you in when you are like delivering
the ins and outs of a play, Because I feel
like every player talks about how well you coach the

(02:18:31):
game and teach like the game within the game to
where the guys understand it. Because Malik Willis, like, what
was that early in the season, week three or four,
he just showed up and you guys pulling off an upset.

Speaker 5 (02:18:41):
Well, you guys got him.

Speaker 10 (02:18:42):
We start he started week two versus Indy, and he
had been here I think nineteen days, yeah, to that
point before he started a game. And now it was
a we. We didn't try to put too much on
his plate. I mean, you can't when a guy's been
here for three weeks. And so we leaned on our
run game heavily and we had a great The first
half was we were we were killing it rushing the football.

(02:19:04):
We had over two hundred yards rushing the first half,
but kind of slowed down after that quite a bit.
But he made some big time plays late in the
game that allowed us to win that game. And then
the next week it was the Malik Willis Revenge Tour
going down to Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (02:19:19):
And you know, I bet so much money in the
Titans that game, did you Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:19:23):
I did, because I felt pretty confident going in that game,
Did you really?

Speaker 5 (02:19:27):
I did see Malik like I had the chance to
play with Malik for a little bit, sure, and the
thing that I noticed was like he just wasn't grasping
the playbook and so he would do the wrong cans
or you know, he wouldn't understand like when the safety's move,
that's when you have to go to the opposite away, all.

Speaker 10 (02:19:42):
These different What year was that though?

Speaker 5 (02:19:43):
From this is his rookie year.

Speaker 10 (02:19:45):
Yeah, yeah, but it would give the guy some grace.

Speaker 5 (02:19:48):
But you just go off of what you know, right,
So I was like, oh, if this kid's coming in,
he busted. I mean, they ran the ball a lot
against Indy this game. They have a whole uh, they
have all this film on him now, or at least
one week of film, like this is where it ends.
And I thought the Titans would get going at some
point and they never got going.

Speaker 10 (02:20:05):
That pick six by Jay or it certainly helped helped
our cause remember the first play of the game, you know,
just knowing that we ran the ball forty some odd
times versus Indy, that everybody was going to be geared
up for a run. So we faked a little toss
and hit Jay Reid out the back the backside for

(02:20:26):
like a thirty yard game. It was great.

Speaker 1 (02:20:29):
Draw up. Yeah, it's a little smile. Yeah talking about it.

Speaker 5 (02:20:33):
How is that the first fifteen? Like how much? How
often do coaches overthink the first fifteen plays of the game.

Speaker 10 (02:20:39):
Well, I know for myself that first fifteen has really grown,
so it's really like a first twenty five. Now you
never just rip it off. But what it does is
so for myself, I do this on Friday evening. Friday
is actually a long day for me to kind of

(02:20:59):
like really think about the plays that I absolutely want
to get called, and then I get them to our
players on Saturday, and I think it gives them an
idea of Okay, I better be on point with these
twenty five plays that have a pretty good chance at
some point in the game, these plays are gonna get called.
So it really it takes the game plan, it kind

(02:21:21):
of shrinks it a little bit. And I think what
we felt it's been beneficial for our players.

Speaker 5 (02:21:27):
With that process. Are you looking at these twenty five
and is in your minds are these in order? Like
in a perfect world where you're playing the most, you're
calling the perfect game. The guys that are doing exactly
what you want them to do. Is that one, two, three, four, five, six,
all down to twenty five like in order in your ease.

Speaker 10 (02:21:41):
Yeah, I don't think it rarely goes like that, to
be honest with you, because the first fifteen or twenty
five are, however many somebody does, those are really just
non situational plays. Those are normal ball that's verse down
first and ten that's second, and medium to second and
or it's never really third down calls. It's not the

(02:22:03):
red zone, it's not backed up, so you got a
whole separate area for those types of plays. But yeah,
I would say if you're if you're just ripping them
off the top, you're you're staying on schedule and you're
you're doing pretty well.

Speaker 5 (02:22:19):
How much is how much is it a chess match
during a game when you're calling, like how like essentially
the game to me is like the OC versus the DC, right,
and then you have all your pawns on the chessboard
playing like how much is it? You're seeing what they're doing,
you're reacting, they're reacting to you, and it's like a
back and forth.

Speaker 10 (02:22:36):
It's like, yeah, I think there's a lot of that,
but at the same time, it's you know, if I
got a guy that's better than your guy, there's a
good chance no matter what I call, that play is
gonna work.

Speaker 2 (02:22:48):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
And you know, you know he's got the you know
he's thinking it's a chess match the entire time. Like
you look at his his bald fate he's got going on.
He's gonna be checking the score.

Speaker 10 (02:22:58):
But you see your bald fate. Okay, I need to
get some product, little hatthead, Little hathead. He showered today.

Speaker 1 (02:23:11):
Last night, okay, last night, long time.

Speaker 5 (02:23:13):
There's been a lot of conversations about this bus about
showering lately.

Speaker 1 (02:23:17):
Visit. Are you somebody who has to shower every time
you travel at the end of the day.

Speaker 10 (02:23:27):
More than likely, Yes, he says more than likely, more
than likely.

Speaker 1 (02:23:33):
More than he says more than likely. So last week
we were at we're at Michigan.

Speaker 10 (02:23:39):
And where we're at Michigan, Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
We're at the college for spring ball. That'shington. We had
to work out did he do any one on ones?

Speaker 5 (02:23:50):
He kind of bout out, He kind of bout out,
I may or may not.

Speaker 10 (02:23:55):
Have seen a one on one rep at the University
of Or can you bring that down.

Speaker 5 (02:23:59):
If you're a coach out in that there is nothing
to break down.

Speaker 10 (02:24:02):
Those well, I mean his ankles. He definitely got his ankles,
Bro's and ankles.

Speaker 2 (02:24:08):
See.

Speaker 5 (02:24:09):
The problem for me was just like, let the very
least make a reaction, like guess, even if you guess wrong.

Speaker 10 (02:24:14):
But we talked about because he told me he knew
he was gonna take away the inside said this conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
Yeah, when we were setting up the interview, it was like, hey,
I saw that one on one rope. We were laughing
about it. He's like, why don't you just guess to
the inside. I was like, I'm telling you, bro, That's
what I was telling the boys right before. I'm like,
the cameras are going to be on. I'm talking to
JP staying there. The cameras are going to be on.
This kid's gonna want to cross my face. He's gonna
want to be the play is right.

Speaker 10 (02:24:42):
Come on, man, the body just didn't react.

Speaker 2 (02:24:45):
Didn't react.

Speaker 5 (02:24:48):
Him almost grabbing him just a little bit and already reacting.
It's so tough, but.

Speaker 10 (02:24:58):
That made me laugh. Though you did.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
I'm glad I gave you some entertainment.

Speaker 10 (02:25:03):
It was a lot of It was very entertaining.

Speaker 5 (02:25:05):
When we were sitting the locker room before he did
that one on one, I really thought like, Will's gonna
get him. Will's gonna I started to believe it when
he was putting the padge.

Speaker 1 (02:25:13):
I'm sure he was. I think I'm dropping quotes. I'm
sniffing the smelling sauce.

Speaker 5 (02:25:19):
We like six smelling salts in a in a bottle
of water, bottle of water.

Speaker 2 (02:25:23):
We're just like pumping it.

Speaker 5 (02:25:24):
I'm doing it too. I want to be a part
of the vibe. He's yelling at some security guard. Made
your heart turn black. And the guy's like, what the
fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (02:25:32):
The women and children in bank?

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
He runs out.

Speaker 2 (02:25:35):
I'm like, this dude's about to show that he still
got it.

Speaker 10 (02:25:40):
That was a very humb moment.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
Huh Yeah. Yeah. I thought I was gonna take the
young buck and I was like, man, I's telling Coach Landing.
I was like, I hate the end your running backs
career right here. He can't get beat by this thirty
five year old.

Speaker 5 (02:25:51):
In Missouri on Missouri too.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:25:53):
God, it's tough to know when it's over. What do
you look at yourself in the mirror and be like,
once upon a time I could do X, Y and Z,
but now I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
Yeah, what was that like for you?

Speaker 10 (02:26:04):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:26:05):
Everybody loves.

Speaker 5 (02:26:08):
Outlaws like that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:09):
You he tagged my athleticism. Let's talk about when yours ended.

Speaker 10 (02:26:17):
Well, I'm like the line from Rudy, I'm five foot nothing,
one hundred nothing. So I just I didn't have the
same opportunities. I don't think.

Speaker 5 (02:26:27):
All right, so you're blaming You're blaming mesurable.

Speaker 10 (02:26:31):
I'm just saying that you blame God, blaming God.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
I'm blaming my mom.

Speaker 10 (02:26:36):
Messed up.

Speaker 5 (02:26:37):
A guy Like You're in target and some guy comes
up to you, Man, if I was your I i'd
be a PROBA player.

Speaker 1 (02:26:42):
You know. He says it to everybody in practice.

Speaker 10 (02:26:44):
He's thinking to himself, Man, if you know, when I
was getting recruited in college, everybody would tell me that
if you were six to everybody in the country be
recruiting you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
And I'm like, well, I'm not so you were you
Were you a beast in high school? Like like that
was the game I was.

Speaker 10 (02:27:00):
I would say I was a good high school player.
I mean I was good enough to play in Division
two football. I walked on at Western Michigan and realized
that it was going to be a lot of years
sitting there before and if that day would ever come
to to get on the field. I actually was playing
receiver at Western. We had when I was leaving, Greg
Jennings was coming in, so I would have I would

(02:27:23):
have probably then.

Speaker 1 (02:27:23):
What was the experience? Like you said, people bring up
the Omaha beef Like.

Speaker 10 (02:27:28):
I was on Dan Patrick yesterday he brought it up.

Speaker 2 (02:27:31):
Oh did he really? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
Beef? Like what is? How long did you play there?

Speaker 10 (02:27:37):
I mean, honestly it was. So I was a grad
assistant at Central Michigan and I can't believe they actually
let me leave, Like in today's world that never would
have happened. But I got a phone call saying, hey,
you want to come play for the summer for this
indoor football team in Omahan. And I was like, all right,
I'll check receiver. No, I was quarterback, So you obviously

(02:28:02):
haven't done your research on me.

Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
Well, yeah, that's all right, we get to learn. Yeah,
it's a good pod.

Speaker 10 (02:28:07):
So I played quarterback at when I transferred from Western
too Sagona Valley. I ended up playing quarterback for three
years there. But so I go to Omaha, and you know,
I really would. I wasn't even the starter there. I
just had gone into a couple of games and did
did pretty well. And that's I only played a couple

(02:28:27):
of games there though, so it was a very The
next year, the Billings Outlaws called and I went out there,
and this was insane. So I went to a team
who the court the starting quarterback was also the play caller. Well,
he tore his a cl so he couldn't play, and
he had played in a game against me the year

(02:28:48):
before and I did pretty well in it and wanted
me to come out. The team I went to was
undefeated and I get there and I throw four picks
and I thought I was going to get my ass kicked.
After the game, everybody's looking at me. I'd been there
like for two days, and I thought these guys were
going to fuck me up. So it was a pretty
intense deal. And the next week, ironically enough, we went

(02:29:11):
and played in Omaha and ended up went in like,
uh the n i f L player.

Speaker 1 (02:29:16):
Of the week. No ship, I mean so, but why
were they?

Speaker 10 (02:29:25):
Why was there for four weeks? And I was like,
I got to get out of here. It was just
kind of a renegade league. There were these were there
were some talented guys in that league, but there was
a lot of reasons they didn't play in probably the
biggest of stages.

Speaker 1 (02:29:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:29:40):
I mean in Nashville is this this team called the
Nashville Cats, and they're just at lipscumb right now training
and I see like these offensive linemen that have like
gray in their hair. I'm thinking, what are you all chasing?

Speaker 10 (02:29:49):
Yeah, you're well, I did it. I did it for
two summers and I was like, all right, I'm I'm
full time coach.

Speaker 1 (02:29:55):
Yeah, why were they? Why is everybody taking it so serious?
And where wanted to whoop your ass when you were
just there two days? Like how much are you guys
getting paid?

Speaker 10 (02:30:05):
Oh? Like I think I got five hundred bucks. It
was like two fifty plus.

Speaker 1 (02:30:11):
You know, you know he's not getting rehab incentives. Yeah, yeah,
you know the quarterback he just tore his ACL and
he just has a he's got a brace stack of bills.

Speaker 10 (02:30:21):
I was just hanging on to the dream, hanging onto
the dream.

Speaker 5 (02:30:24):
Yeah, you obviously just hearing your You grew up your
entire life loving football.

Speaker 10 (02:30:29):
Yeah, my dad was a coach and at Central Michigan University.
And so I've been around the game my whole life.
And my grandfather, my mom's dad, was a high school coach.
So just grew up around football and just loved it.
It was all about it, all about it.

Speaker 5 (02:30:44):
And so when you're at like the Billings Outlaws and
you're like kind of bouncing around on your sackingaw, you
get fired from Washington and then you had a point
where you were at the Falcons right quarterback coach, and
then you went to Notre Dame for a year.

Speaker 10 (02:30:55):
Well, so we get fired from Washington, and I'll I mean,
you talk about the loneliest time of your life when
you have no idea what you're going to do next.
And I've got two young kids and my wife. But
had I worked for Brian Kelly at Central Buscina University
and I was lucky and fortunate enough to go there.

(02:31:17):
So I spent the fourteenth season at Notre Dame. And
then Kyle in the meantime was going to go with
Dan Quinn to Atlanta, and he called me up and
he was leaving Cleveland and that debacle that he had there.
My brother was actually working for him, and he called
me up and he's like, hey, I want you to
come to Atlanta. I was like, dude, I got a

(02:31:38):
great job. I was like, my brother's out of a
job because you guys are leaving Cleveland. I said, I'm
not taking that job if he can't get a job,
and he goes, I'm going to get you both. So
what a cool opportunity for me to go work with
my brother in Atlanta. And the first year was a
little rough because Kyle's pretty hard on his coaches in

(02:31:58):
a good way because I think it pairs union, it
brings out the best in you. But he was he
was hard on my brother, and I was probably twice
as hard as my brother. So there was some some
rough moments in there. In twenty fifteen, Man.

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Speaker 1 (02:33:15):
What are those You gotta have some stories with, like
whether it's a text after a game or a group chat,
like these coaches that you you've grown and they're all
in their own head coaching roles or the coordinator roles,
like after a game when you get one on Shanahan
McVey your brother. There has to be some type of communication.

Speaker 10 (02:33:33):
Right, Uh, there is, like you know maybe just like
my brother is a guy that I'm going to talk
to after every game win or lose. There but there's
some games when, like, when you lose a game, it's
a pretty miserable feeling, as you guys both know, because
what people don't, I don't think really can understand is
how much time and effort and energy go into a

(02:33:54):
three hour window and like your your all your work
is on display, and no matter how you prepared that week,
whether you had the best week of preparation or the worst, all.

Speaker 1 (02:34:05):
They care about is the outcome.

Speaker 10 (02:34:07):
So I think like it's emotional, right when you lose
a game and you're you're pissed off because you put
so much time into it. And so there's some games
when we lose, I don't want to talk to anybody,
And I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:34:24):
You a little just a nice little condescending jab like
having fun, like yeah you thought, like he just he
goes in, he goes into LA beats McVeigh and he
just shoots mcvag a message, no, no, they know they're
on the bus afterwards, A yeah you thought, great to
see you yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:34:42):
Hey, you said this in the press this week, that
work out material.

Speaker 1 (02:34:48):
There's none of that. I've never had an exchange like
that with with anybody close down.

Speaker 10 (02:34:52):
I mean you might have some of those conversations amongst
your staff, but not none with the competitive I don't think.

Speaker 1 (02:34:59):
So.

Speaker 10 (02:34:59):
It's what's that kind of bush league was like for you?

Speaker 1 (02:35:02):
If I was a head coach and I beat you,
I feel like I throw you something, Yeah, like maybe
shoots you the eyes of Moji. Yeah, hey, not bad. Huh.

Speaker 10 (02:35:12):
That's why that that's what almost led to the from
what I heard, the hardball Schwartz. Remember that interaction.

Speaker 1 (02:35:21):
Yeah, the handshaking, the slap on the back, that's.

Speaker 10 (02:35:23):
Right, Jim, right, Yeah, remember when Schwartz ran him down.

Speaker 1 (02:35:28):
Have you had an aggressive exchange post game with a coach?

Speaker 10 (02:35:32):
I wouldn't say aggressive, but there's been some I would
say contentious moments where.

Speaker 5 (02:35:38):
You know, you want to say names.

Speaker 10 (02:35:40):
No, Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, he goes that
was a bad deal. The pregame with a fan is
a bad deal.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
Yeah, what what happened there? I mean that was a
pretty that was going around the internet.

Speaker 10 (02:35:52):
Yeah, I would imagine it was getting after this fan.

Speaker 1 (02:35:57):
Well, so this guy was.

Speaker 10 (02:35:58):
Walking, you know, like usually there's some healthy banner sometimes
with some of those guys that are holding the flag
getting ready for the national anthem, and I mean, this
guy's like throat slashing our players and I could see
our a bunch of our players getting worked up, and
I'm like, what that this guy's in our space. It's
different when it's coming from the stands, right and got

(02:36:19):
You expect that people are going to talk. You're in
enemy territory. You know they're going to talk. Trashed you.
You don't even hear that noise, it's just noise. But
when you're in our space, on our field and you're
doing this in front of our guys and riling them up,
I got a problem with that. So I said something.

(02:36:40):
He said something back, and I was like, is this
really happening right now? As we're walking towards each other.
So it was just one of those are you thinking
at any point I might have to swing? I didn't
know what was going to happen, to be honest with you, Yeah,
but I got to give the officials a lot of credit.
One of the officials came in and just kind of
side checked the guy pretty pretty good. I was pretty impressed.

(02:37:03):
But it's it should never happen. It should never happen,
And like you know, you always reflect on what you
could have done that differently. Probably would have just ignored it,
but you know, the heat of the battle.

Speaker 5 (02:37:15):
Yeah, but if you're talking about you spend a whole
week preparing, getting the guys ready. You're looking to your
your top twenty five plays, you're bringing to the guys
on Saturday. You're giving a speech, now you're setting up.
Everyone's anxiety is through the roof the peak. Anxiety is
always the national anthem. You're wondering, am I is this
the day I finally get got? Your confidence is high low,
all these different things, and then you got some guy

(02:37:35):
who has the luxury of holding our nation's flag for
the national anthem, and he's doing a bunch of shit.
I'm sure Like logically, it's like you handled it fine.

Speaker 1 (02:37:45):
Well, I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (02:37:47):
Shut up, Like obviously you take all those things.

Speaker 1 (02:37:50):
You tattletale, How crazy is that? Were you there for that?

Speaker 5 (02:37:54):
Did you hear that part? The tattletoe thing? We just
talked about it, I know, but I'm s were you
in the room when that happened.

Speaker 10 (02:38:01):
I can't remember that specific part.

Speaker 1 (02:38:04):
No, no, a moment, no, no, hey he said that.
I was like, oh, ship, we got.

Speaker 5 (02:38:12):
We didn't start the pot if I told if I
told the.

Speaker 1 (02:38:15):
Tetale story, No, no, no, ESPN.

Speaker 2 (02:38:22):
I was sorry.

Speaker 5 (02:38:23):
I jumped to were you in the room when that happened?
I was reflecting back on the beginning.

Speaker 10 (02:38:26):
I think I was focused on trying to like just
get a first down at that point.

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
Yeah, and I saw the commotion.

Speaker 5 (02:38:33):
Yeah, the commotion. From a coaching standpoint, you talk about
the week and the process it takes. I feel like
every year of a couple of years, there's always one
game where the coaches come in the next week and
they're like, I knew this was going to happen because
there are lack of preparation the week before, Like you
lose a game and it's like you could tell the
boys weren't focused up. How do you work through the

(02:38:54):
process when you see maybe your team is in as
focused as you liked to be going into a week.

Speaker 10 (02:39:00):
Well, you try to get in front of that. If
you feel it some type of way in the moment,
I'm gonna say it, like, hey man, we better lock
in or we're about to get our ass beat, so
you try to stay in front of it. But I've
also experienced when I don't think we've had the cleanest
of practices, where we've gone out and had a kick

(02:39:23):
ass game, and vice versa where we've had great practices
and we go out there and land eggs. So you know,
you try to take it for what it is and
just hope our guys are balling on Sundays.

Speaker 1 (02:39:37):
We were trying to get some some pregame speeches out
of Josh last night, but he was saying, you play
to your strengths, well, like you have your words, you
have your things that you hit them before the game,
but then you kind of let the players say whatever
they need to say, because we're trying to be like,
how's this speech game, how's his motivational speeches? He did
say you spit fire after you guys win games, all right,
He said, you always got some nice bars when you

(02:39:58):
come in the locker room and you say whatever you say.
But he was giving you some flowers. Okay, we're looking
for some funny moments, but we could.

Speaker 10 (02:40:04):
Yeah, I think I'm more a little bit more serious probably,
And I mean, you guys have been around me, won't
you say so?

Speaker 1 (02:40:12):
Yeah, but you as the head coach, I haven't been
around it. Some some guys go. Some guys like flip
a different switch when they go from coordinator position coach
and then one day.

Speaker 5 (02:40:22):
Yeah, I think the NFL too. I've never really been
around coaches that like get the boys hyped up. It's
more like, you know, this is a job, this is
your process, Like these are the keys to victory.

Speaker 1 (02:40:31):
Onward, John Grude will get your pitts hot.

Speaker 5 (02:40:33):
Really yeah, because Rabel the coolest thing.

Speaker 2 (02:40:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:40:40):
See, I had a high school head coach, Charlie Ragel,
who would literally make you run through a fucking wall
with a speech. But after that it was kind of
just like, go play the game and play. Well, that's
what we do here. Fuck all right, that's what we're doing.
What was it like for you calling places for the
first time, the first time, having a shoot in your hand.
The game is yours, it's your chess board.

Speaker 10 (02:41:00):
Well, the first time, I want to say, the first
time I ever called plays was in the stadium here. Yeah,
Sean had me it was back in it would have
been twenty seventeen with the Rams. It was a preseason game.
He's like, all right, you're calling it today. I was like,
all right, And it was a fun experience. That's in

(02:41:22):
the National Football League. I had called plays, you know,
at Ashland University back in the day, but in the
National Football League, I think it was right here. And
then I want to say that our year together in
twenty eighteen, didn't we open up the preseason here as well? Yeah,
so it's kind of ironic how it all comes full circle. Yeah,

(02:41:45):
but that first year in twenty eighteen of really especially
you get into the regular season, I realized quickly it
can be a lonely world, especially when shit ain't going right.
Do you remember the Baltimore Raven game and we got
absolutely trash something like that.

Speaker 5 (02:42:04):
Yeah, it was eleven sacks.

Speaker 10 (02:42:06):
Okay, we had like one hundred and twenty yards or
I don't even know. That might be generous of total offense.
And the whole stadium is booing your offense every time
you go out on the field, and lonely man, it's
it's a I'm like, hey, has anybody got any suggestions?
And it's straight crickets on the headset.

Speaker 5 (02:42:26):
You know, except for those guys here at anybody has suggestions.

Speaker 10 (02:42:29):
Yeah, well I'm just saying nothing's working, so does somebody
else have a better idea? And that that that kind
of happens naturally in games. It's it's funny, you know,
when things are really rolling, everybody has an idea, but
when things aren't going good, it's crickets.

Speaker 1 (02:42:45):
Yeah, so like, shit, I'll not put my ass on
the line right.

Speaker 2 (02:42:50):
When game gets.

Speaker 5 (02:42:51):
Games like the Ravens, games aren't going well, At what
point do you just say, hey, let's pack it in,
We're going to run the ball and get out of here.

Speaker 10 (02:42:58):
I just don't have that mentality. I mean, don't get
me wrong, there's been games, especially I know here, where
you're like, you know, the game is over and you
just don't want to get anybody hurt, so you do
kind of resort to that. But you know, I also
think that there's sometimes if you're getting your butt whipped

(02:43:21):
and you want to get some momentum to try to
get something going maybe for the next week. So maybe
the guys give the boys a little confidence.

Speaker 1 (02:43:32):
Yeah, this in football, it's such a relationships driven business.
But also at the end of the day, it is
just a business. With your journey in coaching, would have
been a couple of conversations that have been the hardest
to have, whether you've gotten fired and been caught off
guard about it from somebody that you didn't think it
would come from, or maybe you're leaving a situation and

(02:43:55):
you're going into that you're going into that the coach's
office to tell him, or you've even let somebody go
as a head coach, like would have been a couple
of your hardest moments or conversations with somebody, or even
again you might be on the receiving end, but I
would love to know, because we have a head coach
on and I'm always curious because you know how it

(02:44:16):
is like when you get cut and you might be blindsided.

Speaker 10 (02:44:18):
Well, I don't know, I don't know. I never played
in the next.

Speaker 1 (02:44:20):
I'm saying, get fired. It's like getting fired, yeah, right,
Like everybody gets fired. So and sometimes it comes out
of nowhere, or sometimes you're having a conversation with somebody,
whether you're getting benched, and it comes out of nowhere
and you feel a little slighted and bitter because of
the relationship you feel like you have. But and it's
hard to compartmentalize and separate the business from the relationship
at times. But I would love to know as a

(02:44:41):
head coach and knowing that you've been in a lot
of different spots there with friends too.

Speaker 10 (02:44:45):
Yeah, And that's that's the danger is when you go
through something together, especially something hard together, you form a
bond with somebody and then at some point that comes
to end and end for all players and for me
when I have to let go of coaches that guys
that have poured everything into it and for whatever reason

(02:45:07):
it doesn't work out. And that it's always the danger
of hiring people that are close to you as well.
I mean, I mean this well known I let Joe
Barry go, who's a very dear friend of mine, and
that that was like one of the toughest conversations I've
ever had with somebody.

Speaker 1 (02:45:24):
So how do you even prepare for that? Like it's
like you can't sit here, he could give you any.

Speaker 10 (02:45:31):
You can't prepare for it. You just you just That's
why you just got to tell people the truth and
whatever happens happens, but at least your truth how you
see it. And that's why I just think you've got
to be honest with people and it happens with players.
When you have, especially veteran players, you might maybe aren't

(02:45:53):
performing to the level that you feel like they should
be performing at and you're going to make a change
and ut them down. And I mean, those are those
are tough conversations, but conversations that you absolutely have to
have that you can't avoid.

Speaker 1 (02:46:08):
Has any conversation with sideways, You don't have to say names,
but if you is there any sideways, Yeah, we're a conversation. Yeah,
there's been a.

Speaker 10 (02:46:15):
Few really, Oh yeah, standing up, getting in your face
a little bit. Oh yeah, I've had a player a
couple of years back. It was just him and I
and this is before we had we renovated our offense
offices and we're in a different spot at the stadium now,
but I mean we're in this center block room. I

(02:46:36):
thought he's gonna whip my ass and there was nobody around,
so I was just like, oh, well, here here it goes, guys.
This is this is the end, This is it, this
is it, and you just try to de escalate the situation,
but sometimes there's no getting through. And it was one
of those situations. So but I'm still here today, so

(02:47:00):
to tell about it put it, he put his hands
on you. It was I thought it might go down,
but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:47:08):
Does he get there because he's like you say, like
we're going to want over letting you go, and he's
just like, no, you're not show me.

Speaker 10 (02:47:21):
Definitely, I would say everyone's a little bit different, but yeah, there's.

Speaker 14 (02:47:27):
You.

Speaker 10 (02:47:27):
Just the one thing I've learned, the more you can
take emotion out of any conflict, and you can use
this in your personal lives as well, like I know
with my wife. The more I can take the emotion
out of it, usually the better the conversation goes.

Speaker 1 (02:47:43):
Yeah, that advice, but sometimes they want the emotion. They're like, hey,
what are you feeling?

Speaker 10 (02:47:49):
Well, so maybe you want the emotion.

Speaker 5 (02:47:53):
Maybe you did something you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:47:56):
I guess I'm feeling shame fly. I'm just trying to
think of the word. It's the seven words feelings, seven
emotions that you can feel where there a stressed value
in you know. They're like, oh, confusion, that's not a feeling,
that's a thought. I hate that.

Speaker 10 (02:48:12):
That's deep.

Speaker 1 (02:48:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:48:15):
Yeah, getting cuts not fun? How many times were you cut?

Speaker 1 (02:48:20):
That's the squad Titans Raiders three?

Speaker 2 (02:48:30):
That's not bad.

Speaker 5 (02:48:32):
I think, as you were almost on every team, I
feel like it has more.

Speaker 10 (02:48:35):
Yeah, well it's like he was almost a Green Bay Packer.

Speaker 5 (02:48:39):
Bro, was he actually almost Green Bay packer? You guys,
get brought up his game, get brought up in the
meeting room.

Speaker 10 (02:48:52):
Yeah, we talked about him.

Speaker 1 (02:48:54):
Man, it was Lafleur's first year.

Speaker 10 (02:48:58):
I had I had no I had no struggle.

Speaker 1 (02:49:00):
Yeah. No, he couldn't swing to bat, but he wanted to.
I don't know how much it happened, but I think
you're one to like he's you were saying, this is
when I ended up going to the Saints in Oakland
that year, but he wanted to go into a meeting.
I think pitch a few veterans. It was like myself,
I think Chris Thompson, if I can remember correctly.

Speaker 10 (02:49:19):
It's amazing what people do remember, though, right because I
wanted this, and sometimes they remember a little bit different
than you remember.

Speaker 1 (02:49:26):
But you don't remember that way. Wow, I mean that
was a long time ago. Text me.

Speaker 5 (02:49:33):
That's man's way of saying, no, he does not remember that.

Speaker 1 (02:49:35):
Well. He can even say like, I mean, he already
said like it wasn't close, Like even when I was
going and worked out with the Saints and ended up
signing with the Saints because Ko was here, Like it
was just set up that was it would have been
lovely for the boy, and it would have been great.

Speaker 10 (02:49:49):
Because I know he's he's about the right stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:49:53):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (02:49:55):
That's that's it seems like the Will Compton, like every
coach you talked to, it's been to come across Will confident.

Speaker 10 (02:49:59):
Is like that is the guy I mean, because otherwise
he wouldn't have lasted as long as he lasted if
you wouldn't have been about.

Speaker 5 (02:50:06):
The right compliment.

Speaker 1 (02:50:07):
But no, he's right.

Speaker 10 (02:50:08):
But that's it's like something I told you earlier. Sometimes
you know, you just got to go with the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:50:14):
Yeah, yes, yeah, that's something I'm proud of that he
doesn't feel like a backhanded compliment.

Speaker 10 (02:50:19):
Okay, you should be proud of it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:21):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:50:21):
I played a long time in this league. Was it
almost ten?

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
Almost ten? Almost ten? Some argue eight. Frable argues eight
because he doesn't give me the practice squad or he
says the first year was a practice squad year. I
was like, bro the last game of the season. This
was in thirteen. Yeah, when we were at New York.
It was London Fletcher's last game. I got the backup
London Fletcher for his final game of all time. But
that's when I got to I was on the active

(02:50:45):
roster for one game recorded once that got one tackle
and kickoff. So I am in the books for that
rookie year. Now if you go by the credited and
everything else, like, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 10 (02:50:55):
I gotta give it to a practice squad. To me,
that counts, I'm counting it.

Speaker 5 (02:51:02):
Count it.

Speaker 1 (02:51:02):
Yeah, up all the time with Jordan Reed, it was brutal.

Speaker 5 (02:51:05):
So wait, does it actually in the real world?

Speaker 1 (02:51:08):
Does that?

Speaker 5 (02:51:09):
You got the credited season though, right.

Speaker 1 (02:51:10):
So since I'm vested, they count your practice squad year.

Speaker 5 (02:51:13):
Okay, I bet you know. I don't want to bring
will and I got into the whole thing. I was
making a joke one time about eight things got a
little fiery, and I started basically did all the things
he just said to you, but in a very demonstrative way, understandable.
I was trying to poke the bear a little bit.
But right then and there I was like, I don't
know if so, does it actually count it?

Speaker 1 (02:51:30):
So the moment you get vested, like it was four years. Yeah,
I once you get four years, then they go back
and count one practice squad years. So say I had
two practice squad years, like Lorenzo Alexander was somebody, he
played like fourteen years and he started off two practice
squad years.

Speaker 10 (02:51:44):
They only give they only give credit for well, they
only give.

Speaker 1 (02:51:47):
You credit for one.

Speaker 5 (02:51:48):
Have you ever been in a situation that kind of
like Will was and where coaches are kind of being like,
I need to get this guy three games to get
him a credit season.

Speaker 1 (02:51:55):
Have you ever had with your guy?

Speaker 5 (02:51:57):
We were like, all right, we'll get him dialed or
we'll give him.

Speaker 10 (02:52:00):
We'll see if we can make it work for three weeks,
not not too many.

Speaker 5 (02:52:04):
No, no, but it's come across once in a while.

Speaker 1 (02:52:07):
That's how it was with Pasacia.

Speaker 10 (02:52:08):
But we'll never you know, we were always going to
do what's best for the team, so as you should
from I.

Speaker 1 (02:52:17):
Love everybody, No, I know. Yeah, It's like even when
we were trying to get year ten to happen, it
was like I was telling her, you just give me
three weeks, I guess, But what how I was going
to finish his thing off? How I wasn't close to
becoming a packer, like even when the Saints came in
the hotel room and they gave me the contract to
sign and had me mulled over for that night because
I remember being on the phone with you too, called
my wife called you guys a low key. I was

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like kind of struggling if I even wanted to do it,
But I remember calling.

Speaker 10 (02:52:43):
Yeah, we broke some conversations.

Speaker 1 (02:52:45):
I swear to God, I will get on a plane
right now and go to Green Bay and play for
you guys, if if I can get it off, if
we can get it off on the table, or if
you can do anything like seeing I think with you, Yeah,
you were You're like, man, it's not gonna and you
need to you need to go ahead and take that.
Like there's just not a whole lot that I'm able
to do. But yeah, I was one too. I was

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trying hard to get number fifty one.

Speaker 10 (02:53:08):
What could have been?

Speaker 5 (02:53:09):
Did he hit you with that conversation? Like immediately when
he called you, did you know it was coming or was.

Speaker 10 (02:53:14):
He yeah blinds we were in communication training camp, but hey,
you in shape?

Speaker 5 (02:53:19):
Yeah, okay, so there was you didn't blindsidehim with the conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:53:22):
That was just no yeah, yeah, yeah, like we were.
I think we got on the phone and we were again,
are you in shape and stuff like that. He might
have wanted to pitch a few veterans in a meeting
that was coming up, and then I would check in
either through him or Ko and like, Hey, what's the
what's the skinny? Ko be like, man, I don't even
go out to the workouts. And then when the same
thing happened, I was like, are you sure nothing can

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shape up with the Green Bay Packers, He's like.

Speaker 10 (02:53:46):
Nah, Man, I would have been gone.

Speaker 1 (02:53:50):
I kind of selfishly want you, but yeah, working out.
It would have been fun.

Speaker 5 (02:53:54):
Talk to me about your process of getting this job,
because we I don't know how much you want to
talk about what we're talking about. Before the podcast started
twenty eighteen year with Titans, and then all of a sudden,
it's like you're You're with the Packers, And it was
like I remember myself thinking like damn, I was bummed
out that you were gone. I ended up being happy because.

Speaker 10 (02:54:12):
Yeah, Art, Yeah, they Drape's maent a great decision in
promoting Art. Yeah, it was one of those deals where
I got a call after the season. If you remember right,
we had a play in game to make the playoffs,
unfortunately against the Colts, and it didn't go our way.
But I got a call that I was going to

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interview for this job, and I knew I was the
last interview and I was like, all right, well, shoot,
I got nothing to lose, and I'm pretty I'm pretty
hard on myself anyways, and I went through the interview process.
Matter of fact, the packers flew up to Nashville. I
had the interview at a hotel in Nashville, and I

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called my wife right after and she's like, well, how
to go And I was like, I think it went
pretty well, and she says that's the moment she thought like,
oh no, here we go. The next day, I get
a phone call from Aaron Rodgers and I'm like, that's interesting.
And I was actually thinking that it would be lead

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to the second round of interviews, being that I'd never
really been up here. But they called me later that
afternoon and offered me the job, and it was It
was a pretty unbelievable moment in my life, one that
I'll never forget.

Speaker 5 (02:55:33):
What was that conversation like with Aaron Rodgers, Like did
you have his number? Saving on your phone or did
this come up like a random number?

Speaker 10 (02:55:38):
No, who's I had? They had given me a heads
up that Aaron was probably going to be calling me
at some point. He called me. We talked for like,
I don't know, forty minutes or whatever, and it was.
It was a great conversation. Obviously, it went well enough
where I think I'm sure he reported back and said
that we had a great conversation and the rest is history.

Speaker 1 (02:56:00):
How was that process, like, uh, the conversation with the Titans,
like when you're interviewing or looking to take on a
different job.

Speaker 10 (02:56:08):
I was pretty easy. I'm saying, hey, guys, I'm I'm
leaving to be the head coach of the Green Bay Packers.
I think everybody understood that. So, yeah, it was, it was.
It was a very easy conversation. And I'm sure there
were some people in that building that were glad that
I was leaving too.

Speaker 1 (02:56:27):
Makes it easier.

Speaker 5 (02:56:28):
Yeah, God, I wish we would dive into that more.
What the just the coaches that that that inside ball
of the Titans and all that stuff that went down.

Speaker 1 (02:56:38):
Yeah, it's like it's like the bureaucracy's everywhere, right, Like
everybody there's going to be haters on the inside. The
little I always loved how Ray would say, it's a
loser talk. You get guys get into their clicks, losers
start talking about the negative, YadA, YadA, YadA. I feel
like that's like, you know.

Speaker 10 (02:56:53):
What my favorite time with the Titans was. That was
when Will Compton did Mike Frabele and the team meeting.
That was it was unbelievable and.

Speaker 5 (02:57:04):
It couldn't have come at a perfect time because.

Speaker 10 (02:57:06):
And I want to know who recorded that.

Speaker 1 (02:57:08):
Darren Bates, I think it was Betsy Yeah, I think
it was dB Iraq pos.

Speaker 10 (02:57:14):
Usually that is kind of a rack. You know, you
don't film those those types of meetings.

Speaker 1 (02:57:20):
Yeah, but I think we knew going into it. I
think RACK or dB or somebody was saying, hell, they
were going to get it recorded. Yeah, because I was
nervous like for that. Yeah, because Wesley Wood here was
kind of be like, I don't know if you should
do it, Like guys could get like cutover stuff like this,
like he I guess he had an experience maybe in
Denver to where somebody might have did something for the rookie.

Speaker 2 (02:57:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:57:41):
I didn't think it was I didn't think it was
disrespectful in any way. Yeah, yeah, no, I didn't think
when you see when you were about to do it,
it's like you have the the culture building that Vrabel
was doing. He did a great job of like separating
the you know, being a players guy but also a
coach and making sure things ran strict and smooth to
where you know, he was tired, like he was a
hard ass at times, especially in training camps. That's kind

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of where the nerves are coming from. Like, man, I
hope you know he takes.

Speaker 10 (02:58:05):
This find it when we have a rookie skit, if
they don't clown on me a little bit, I'm usually disappointed.

Speaker 1 (02:58:14):
Yeah yeah, you're thinking, what have I been doing and
not make these guys feel comfortable enough to joke on me?

Speaker 10 (02:58:19):
Yeah, so I think you go into it with that mindset.
He can't be sensitive.

Speaker 1 (02:58:24):
It was a good It was a good time though.
We had some good laughs.

Speaker 2 (02:58:26):
That was awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:58:27):
But understanding your nerves for sure too, because like twenty eighteen,
Mike Rabel was a different cat like and we were
all kind of just trying to figure him out. And
after practice and practices were hard. He was hard on us.
Those team meetings. Butt holes are tight every single camp.

Speaker 1 (02:58:40):
Practicely, that was the one year, and I've talked about
it before, but that was the one year where a
lot of the times I was not looking forward to
driving into work, like I would wake up and not
have the mentality I had. I was just watching before that,
but not have the I'd be like dreading going into work,
really dreading going into whatever the team meeting, whatever he

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was going to do in the team meeting, and if
you lost, it just felt like the world was crumbling.

Speaker 10 (02:59:07):
And usually, just in a lot of our experiences in
the National Football League, you flip that script because you
got to get onto the next week. You try to
give the lessons and you try to learn from it,
and then you're onto the next opponent. But yeah, I
do remember those lingering a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:59:24):
Yeah, Yeah, there were there were the That was the
That was one year that those moments were seeping in
because I remember I coming sitting next to the locker
and Derek Morgan was next to my bed. Man, I
fucking hate this shit. Sometimes it'll just be laughing kind
of like bonding over the embracing the suck.

Speaker 10 (02:59:39):
I remember a few team meetings where I was I
said the same things.

Speaker 5 (02:59:45):
Hoping, you know, all the team keys everything, because eighteen
was kind of a ship showed. Nineteen is when like
he showed like being a little more easier, we lose.
It wasn't so.

Speaker 1 (02:59:55):
Tough, was yea.

Speaker 2 (03:00:00):
Way different?

Speaker 5 (03:00:00):
You could just tell he was kind of like finding
as footing as a head coach, understanding the process.

Speaker 10 (03:00:04):
And I will say it takes some time. Yeah, it
definitely takes some time. I would say if you asked,
we don't have too many guys that were here in
twenty nineteen when I got hired, but we got Kenny Clark,
Elton Jenkins. I would bet if you ask those guys,
they would tell you I'm a lot different then than
I am.

Speaker 5 (03:00:24):
Now, do you go through a process after your first
season as a head coach and then evaluate how you handle.

Speaker 10 (03:00:30):
Yeah, you're always I think that's that's part of it.
If you want to be the best you can be.
Is you know, sometimes you got to look at yourself
in the mirror and say, oh, man, I did not
handle that situation well and be real about it. So
I think you're constantly evaluating, constantly evolving in order to

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be your best.

Speaker 1 (03:00:53):
How does the evaluation look though, because it's like you
can look in the mirror and be like, I could
have handled that better. But sometimes you don't know if
your blind spots are unless you're asking people close to you,
and it's like, man, I need you to be transparent.

Speaker 10 (03:01:03):
You got to have truth tellers and sometimes you don't
want to hear the truth. And I've got a couple
of guys on my staff that will you know, a
guy like Darryl Franklin who will, uh sometimes tell me
the ship that I don't want to hear, and sometimes
I might get pissed off about it, but he keeps
coming back to me and he's resilient in that regard.

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Joe mckillop's another guy, Like, You've got to have guys
around you that will will feed you the hard truth
and you know, you just sometimes you got to accept it, uh.

Speaker 1 (03:01:34):
With Since being a head coach, what do you feel
like it's been your looking back? Like, what do you
feel like has been your biggest challenge?

Speaker 10 (03:01:40):
Biggest challenge? Yeah, I mean there's been too many biggest
challenges we've navigated through some.

Speaker 1 (03:01:45):
What's one that's yeah, that's true? What's one that yeah,
I guess some stufftimes. I was going to ask, what's
one that's been surprising that you're like, oh, this is
a challenge I wasn't even thinking about or I had
the forethought for it.

Speaker 10 (03:01:57):
I mean there's there's I feel like there's stuff that
comes up almost every well, it comes up every so
often where you just get caught off guard, you know,
where whether it's guys are upset about you know, playing
time or production, whatever it may be that you're like, wow,

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that that came out of left field that you have
to handle in the moment. But to sit here and
pinpoint and say just one, I think it's it's tough
to do because whether it's coaches, players, you're just dealing
with so many people. I think that's what separates our
game from most of these other sports is when you

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think about it, you've got, especially offseason, you've got a
ninety man roster. We've got like, I don't even know
how many coaches we have now, it's like twenty five coaches,
and you're you're dealing with you know, athletic training staff,
strength staff, you're scouting department. You're just dealing with a
lot of people that naturally, shit happens and stuff comes

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up that you can't possibly prepare for.

Speaker 5 (03:03:05):
With the draft being in Green Bay? What is different
about this draft for you guys compare to other drafts.

Speaker 10 (03:03:11):
Because I would say, all this media stuff that we're.

Speaker 1 (03:03:13):
Doing, Yeah, this is fun, right, Yeah, this is sure,
that's your favorite one?

Speaker 10 (03:03:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (03:03:19):
Is there?

Speaker 10 (03:03:20):
Keep telling yourself that?

Speaker 5 (03:03:21):
Well, there were some media There was some media saying that, like,
you know, people talk about the draft and how you
know this is not the strongest draft in the world
and a lot of these guys in the twenties are
trying to maybe trade out of it and stuff like that.
Do you is there ever like a pressure from the
NFL for the team that if the draft is the
draft is in Green Bay, it's like, hey, we need
to make sure you guys have a first round draft pick.

Speaker 10 (03:03:41):
Is that I don't believe. So I don't think we'd
operate that way anyways. We're always going to do what's
best for the Packers and whether you got a first
round pick or not. But I think there's a ton
of good players in this draft, and who really knows.
I mean, I'll tell you, isn't that weird? I'll tell
you in two or three years Yeah, there's some guys
that are gonna come in this league and have instant success.

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But you guys know you've been through it. I'm sure
you're a lot different player your rookie years. You were
three years into it, so you know you got to
give these guys an opportunity to go out there and.

Speaker 1 (03:04:14):
Perform what's your best war room story?

Speaker 10 (03:04:18):
War room story?

Speaker 1 (03:04:19):
Yeah, day of the draft.

Speaker 10 (03:04:21):
Oh man, you're trying to put me on the spot.

Speaker 1 (03:04:23):
Well, what fact you got? Something probably just jump out
at you in your mind. I mean, there's just remember
and you'll always remember, like, man, that moment kind of
changed X, Y and Z, or this guy was right
here when I was saying something different, or I was
right here when they were saying yeah.

Speaker 10 (03:04:36):
I would say, there's some moments where hey, we're going
to draft this guy and you're like, no, I don't
want that guy, and there's some back and forth and
hopefully you can come to a consensus conclusion on it.
But ultimately I'll tell you this. I can tell you
that we've drafted players that I haven't been really excited

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about that two years down the line I was ecstatic
about and I'd be like, man.

Speaker 1 (03:05:03):
Can you drop names because to me, that's a compliment.
It's like you you're fired up. I was wrong. I
just I don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (03:05:11):
Damn.

Speaker 10 (03:05:13):
Like I feel like I'm not giving a name and
I'll never forget this. So we're in l A and
we drafted Cooper Cup, and I thought we needed a
speed receiver. And it didn't take long before I realized.
I was like, God, damn, I'm glad we got Cooper
Cup because he was a baller. So and I know

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that makes me look like an idiot, because how couldn't
you see that Cooper Cup was going to be.

Speaker 5 (03:05:41):
What he what is a kid coming a white kid
out of eastern Washington, Like you know, you know, the
flu was saying that too, like hey, like he's playing,
like we need wa whatever that is, we need speed?

Speaker 1 (03:05:53):
Yeah, not a white guy.

Speaker 2 (03:05:54):
Where did he go?

Speaker 1 (03:05:57):
Washington?

Speaker 10 (03:05:58):
We went, We went and worked as Michael and he's
been I mean, he's been balling ever since he came
in the league his first year and was balling, and
he would he would have crossed you over, just like
that kid at Oregon did.

Speaker 5 (03:06:17):
Man like you talk about Cooper Cup like he's known
as a gold worker who are some of the best
workers you've been around, Like from player standpoint, best workers,
Like the best workers are like this guy, no matter
what he's going to be, he's just a grinder.

Speaker 10 (03:06:30):
Well, it's it's easiest if I talk about some of
the guys from our team right now, like a guy
like Tucker Craft coming in and just to watch him
work on a daily basis. I mean, he's here even
when the players don't need to be here in the offseason,
and he's in there every day just grinding away. And
he did. And I think he's going to get better

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and better and better because of what you mentioned, just
his work ethic and how he approaches the game. I
love his mindset. But there's there's there's I mean, you guys,
I mean I would say you guys were great workers
once you once you agree.

Speaker 5 (03:07:05):
Yeah, I like to think I was a hard worker.

Speaker 10 (03:07:07):
Yeah, so both you guys. Watching you guys work, it
was impressive.

Speaker 5 (03:07:13):
It was nice. Get insulted, but then all of a
sudden comes back around. It comes back around.

Speaker 1 (03:07:19):
He streat me like a lady. He's like being mean
to me, And what's man, you do a good job too.

Speaker 5 (03:07:24):
It's Dan Lanning game he's playing.

Speaker 1 (03:07:26):
Yeah, yeah, he's playing chess right now.

Speaker 5 (03:07:29):
Uh, do you have anything else? Do you want to
do the bud like question?

Speaker 1 (03:07:31):
Yeah, we did the bud like questions. Go ahead, our
bud Like question brought to us by bud Light. You
coach the for You know, people would do anything for
a bud Light. What would you do anything for?

Speaker 10 (03:07:43):
You want funny or serious?

Speaker 1 (03:07:45):
If you have one of one of each, then we'll.

Speaker 10 (03:07:47):
Go And what would I do anything for? I would definitely.
I know you guys said this earlier, but you know
I would definitely do anything for my family.

Speaker 5 (03:07:57):
So I forgot to get the insurance. No family, no.

Speaker 10 (03:08:01):
Family, kids. Yeah, you would do anything for your family
you want to, I'll tell you what I did for
my family one time. So Milwaukee Bucks, right, they win
the NBA Championship and my wife and I were we
were celebrating at the arena and having champagne and with

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a bunch of people from the Bucks, and I was thinking,
after the game, so we were staying in Milwaukee, I'll
just get an uber and go back to the hotel
or whatever. And I didn't realize they kind of like
what they've done here for the draft where they just
close off a bunch of streets, so it.

Speaker 1 (03:08:42):
Was really hard to get an uber. You couldn't get
anything close to the arena.

Speaker 10 (03:08:45):
So we had to take a walk. And we're walking
down by all these bars in Milwaukee Crosswater Street, and
we're walking along and all of a sudden we hear
and it was a gunfired going off, and I immediately
initial reaction and you just start taking off and I

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look behind me and my wife's and heels and I'm like,
let's go. She's like, I can't run. I'm in heels.
So I literally fireman carrier, put her up on my shoulders,
run across the street around the corner about two three
blocks to get her out of harm's way.

Speaker 5 (03:09:28):
So fucking Superman out here.

Speaker 10 (03:09:32):
That's that's adrenaline. That was a lot of adrenaline right there.

Speaker 5 (03:09:35):
I thought you were going to keep on running based
on this story, right up to some.

Speaker 10 (03:09:40):
Police officers and may have may or may not have
name dropped and said hey, can you help me get
back to my hotel? And they got us there. So
but in the process of that, as I was scooping
her up, there was a railing that separated the sidewalk
from the Bars may have skimmed her eye across that
railing a little bit, and as I'm as I'm running

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with her, she's telling me to to set her down.

Speaker 1 (03:10:05):
I'm like, well, no, we're getting out of here.

Speaker 10 (03:10:08):
So but yeah, outside of that, I mean, I would
do anything for a super Bowl. Ring you know what
we have to ask you now, I know, I know
it's coming.

Speaker 5 (03:10:17):
So Mike Rabel, yeah, said he would cut off his
penis for a super Bowl. Talked about how long he
was married, kids, the whole thing he had. He won
three as a player, he made sure to mention that
and then said he would do it for a super
Bowl as a coach, would you cut your dick off
for a Super Bowl?

Speaker 10 (03:10:30):
I don't think I can go that far.

Speaker 1 (03:10:32):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (03:10:32):
Sorry, it's fair, that's fair and logical.

Speaker 1 (03:10:35):
Like I thought for sure you were ready to say, yeah,
you're like, I would do anything for a super Bowl,
and I would do that.

Speaker 5 (03:10:42):
Yeah, yeah, I do know what's coming to the answer
is no.

Speaker 1 (03:10:46):
What do you think is going to take for you
guys to get over the humph?

Speaker 10 (03:10:53):
You know, that's a great question. That's something that I've
obviously been thinking about for six years now in my
time because we've gotten close. I just think, like when
you get to the NFL playoffs, it is Sean McVay
and I talk about this all the time. It's March madness.
So it takes you playing your best in the moment

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and you've got to make the plays. And certainly there's
always things as you can do as a coach that
could be better. But you need everybody clicking on all
cylinders because we've been right there. Shoot, we hosted an
NFC championship game in Lambeau. Unfortunately it was the year
that it was the COVID year and you don't get

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to take advantage of that home field crowd. So I
just think we need everybody to perform in those tough
moments because I mean, when you get to that stage,
I mean it's the margins are razor thins. So you
have to be at your best. That's what it takes.

Speaker 1 (03:11:55):
Yeah. In the health health, oh yes, and we.

Speaker 10 (03:11:58):
Were healthy the majority of that season.

Speaker 5 (03:12:00):
Yeah, And I mean not to measure your division is
just scary good.

Speaker 10 (03:12:05):
It's a pretty pretty competitive division right now.

Speaker 1 (03:12:08):
Yeah, Vikings, Lions, Bears.

Speaker 5 (03:12:11):
Now, it's like a Wizard of All his story.

Speaker 1 (03:12:14):
Man, do you have beef with coach Johnson.

Speaker 10 (03:12:17):
I was waiting for this. I don't know Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 (03:12:22):
So do you have beef?

Speaker 10 (03:12:25):
Do I have beef? I don't know Ben Johnson. I
respect him as a football coach. I think he did
a nice job.

Speaker 5 (03:12:38):
Yeah, but do we not feel all this feeling the
same thing right now?

Speaker 2 (03:12:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:12:42):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:12:43):
But if you don't know him, why why is it
tighten here?

Speaker 10 (03:12:47):
It's not tight? I'm not tight.

Speaker 5 (03:12:49):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 10 (03:12:52):
I thought it was interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:12:56):
What was interesting?

Speaker 10 (03:12:57):
I thought the press conference was interesting? But I don't
have beef with him. I don't. I don't get it
all into that stuff. I thought about you.

Speaker 1 (03:13:04):
You'll harness it.

Speaker 5 (03:13:07):
Here's the emojis after a win.

Speaker 10 (03:13:10):
You'll say, I don't know his number, so that won't
happen to Jim horball them after a game. No, beat,
I would never do that.

Speaker 1 (03:13:16):
Do you have a strength to do that?

Speaker 10 (03:13:17):
I don't know. Probably not apparently not apparently not.

Speaker 1 (03:13:23):
No, No, I'd never do that.

Speaker 10 (03:13:27):
You think, Am I not not strong enough for you? Will?
I know you're eighty told your peck I did a
year ago. It's it's a lot better now.

Speaker 1 (03:13:39):
A year ago.

Speaker 10 (03:13:39):
I flew back on draft Day after getting surgery. No ship, Yeah,
how'd you tear your peck? Yeah? Bench pressing?

Speaker 1 (03:13:49):
How much was on the rack?

Speaker 5 (03:13:51):
Fifteen?

Speaker 10 (03:13:52):
Be honest, man, huh how much you think will one
thirty five? It was not one little more two hundred
two five two five it no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (03:14:08):
You know, you know he hit one five and then
put the two and a halfs on just to get
you hundred. He had the camera set up just to
prove seriousness it was.

Speaker 10 (03:14:17):
And I was just wrapping it out, last set, last rep,
and you just you know, sometimes you just try to
like throw it up there. Well, I got a little careless.

Speaker 1 (03:14:26):
With my form, and sure enough are you by yourself?

Speaker 10 (03:14:30):
No, I was getting I was in the in our
weight room and our strength coach was right there, thank god,
because one side went up and the other side went.
It went right on my chest.

Speaker 2 (03:14:41):
God, did you.

Speaker 1 (03:14:42):
Hit all that?

Speaker 5 (03:14:42):
Shoulder pain or chest pain? Never feel tired?

Speaker 10 (03:14:46):
Just now just happened.

Speaker 5 (03:14:47):
That's terrifying you.

Speaker 1 (03:14:48):
No, never do it again.

Speaker 10 (03:14:49):
Well, I will never barbell bench ever again in my life.
I will dumbell bench, never barbell. So I would tell
you how old you know?

Speaker 2 (03:14:59):
The five?

Speaker 9 (03:15:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (03:15:01):
I would if I was you. I would never barbeo
bench I.

Speaker 1 (03:15:04):
Don't have a Barbelle in the garage. Well, I mean
you're you're right though, it's like we we bench pressed
more so for ego than anything else. Yeah, that sucks though.
Did your chest like cave in?

Speaker 10 (03:15:14):
Like, oh yeah you could. I had a big diff
I mean it was I had to go tour both
tendons and you know me, Oh yeah you could feel it.

Speaker 1 (03:15:24):
You could.

Speaker 10 (03:15:24):
I could feel it like when it happened in the Yeah.
So I went to doctor Cardasco and New York and
had surgery and that was It was not a good time,
such a pain. But he did a great job. If
you ever tear your pack, go see doctor Cardasco. He's

(03:15:46):
the he's the guy, that's.

Speaker 1 (03:15:47):
The guy to go to. Coach.

Speaker 5 (03:15:49):
We appreciate you, man, Yeah, thanks for coming. So thank
you for making the time to come out here.

Speaker 1 (03:15:54):
We'll talk more after the.

Speaker 2 (03:15:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (03:15:57):
But you're the best and good luck this season. I
appreciate it, guy Raft.

Speaker 10 (03:16:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:16:00):
Hope you get whoever you want? So do I? Hey,
who do you hope you get? This isn't coming out
till next Tuesday. Yeah, I don't know who do you
hope you get a really good player. Well position, what
if we do this?

Speaker 5 (03:16:12):
What if we do this? You call a shot right now,
and if it doesn't hit, we don't put in the podcast.
But if it hits, it's like, oh shit, ma qulitation.

Speaker 1 (03:16:19):
I really, I really, yeah.

Speaker 10 (03:16:26):
He would Yeah, I don't know. I just there's a
lot of good players. Like I said, So, whoever we get,
we're going to embrace and we're going to coach them.

Speaker 5 (03:16:35):
I love that hell of a coach. Can't wait to
see you guys winning all bake hugs down, guess please
subscribe right five stars, Matt Lafleur packers, go pack up,
Thank you all right.

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