June 14, 2025 • 13 mins
Trysta breaks down the Thunder’s wild 4th quarter comeback in Game 4 of the Finals... and yes, Scott Foster was on the whistle. Did The Extender strike again?
A quick Finals check-in looking at SGA's big 4th quarter, Alex Caruso's winning plays, and Indiana's free throw woes haunting them.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of The Heat Check. Oh, God damn it, Pacers,
God damn it, Pacers. We've got a lot to talk about, y'all,
and the chat a lot to get to. It's an
immediate reaction extra episode on a Saturday. What up, Wyatt?
Drop that motherfucker beat? That should be Rihanna. You you're
(00:23):
listening to the Hottest, the Hottest. It'd be a podcast
out here. I said what I said, it's the Heat
Chick Check. Guys. What did I just watch? What did
I just see? I knew it. I just felt it.
(00:46):
I felt like, there's just no way, There's just no way.
There's no way that the Pacers are gonna win three
of the first four games. It was Scott Foster game,
the extender pause. NBA calls him in whenever they need
to stretch a series out, to stretch it out pause,
and that's exactly where this series is heading. So it
(01:10):
felt like for most of the game, Indiana had this
shit sorted. The Thunder couldn't shoot a three to save
their life, didn't even want to try. Shae had a
very quiet first three quarters. They were staggering his minutes.
Dagonall was taking him in, taking him out, took him
out of the third quarter, then put them immediately back
(01:31):
in because the Pacers took took the lead to ten,
and it was like, oh my god, what are they
gonna do? The Pacers had a ten point lead for
most of the second half, and we're still leading one
O three, one O two with two twenty three left
in the game, and then Shaye hit a shot to
give the Thunder their first lead of the second half,
and it was just brutal. The Pacers scored two fucking
(01:54):
points the rest of the way. Unacceptable, unacceptable. Most of
the Indiana collapse is probably gonna fall on the shoulders
of Ben Mathern, who absolutely the only reason he was
in the game at all was because Andrew Ne Smith
fouled out. So Nie Smith, gets your shit together. Mattherine
(02:14):
went one for four from the free throw line, three points.
Smiths there and committed not one but two away from
the ball fouls that gave the Thunder two free throws
and the ball and the ball five points and the
other ones that I I just it's inexplicable. Had he
(02:35):
made his shots not committed those two fouls, it would
have been tied one O seven, one oh seven the
final twenty seconds. The Matherine experiences is very similar to
the current Russ o Westbrook experience, where some days Russ
winds you a game and some days Russ loses you
a game. An athletic monster who sometimes makes inexplicable decisions
(02:58):
and plays just as often, and as he's making the
ones to say, Wow, this guy's a fucking bucket, this
guy's really good. Here are my thoughts. With three minutes
and thirty four seconds left, Shay had twenty two points.
I looked at the graphic on the screen and he
had thirty eight, he had thirty four, he had twenty four,
(03:23):
and at that point he had twenty two, and I said, wow,
the pacers are really getting better and better out holding
him down. And then he scored thirteen points in the
final three and a half minutes. Crazy. He had two
free throws halfway through the fourth and ended up ten
for ten just inevitable. Inevitable chat was pretty good. He
(03:47):
had a game high plus fourteen. He had fifteen rebounds.
He was okay on offense. He had a couple of
get into the lane layups that were big boss, like
put your body into him and get into the lane.
Defense was pretty solid. He had a big block on
Halliburton on the perimeter. I think two of those. Alex
(04:08):
Caruso was excellent. Bounced back from a bad Game three
where he was a game worst plus minus to tie
chat with the plus fourteen net rating. Had twenty points
off the bench, and not just the twenty it was
when he decided to score that was super meaningful. He
had this one side fallaway jumper baseline that I was like, God, damn,
(04:32):
that's a Superstar shop splash. He had an astonishing five steals.
He was really fucking good. He pretty much was the
reason I think that the Thunder had a chance to
even come back into this game. In Game three, the
Pacers bench doubled up the Thunders bench in scoring. In
(04:52):
this game, the gap was only ten points. Here are
some other stats that I think are super interesting. So
last game, we saw the Pacers get get into the paint,
get busy. I think they had forty eight points in
the paint in this particular game, thirty six points in
(05:12):
the paint compared to okayse He's fifty. And they had
only thirty three total rebounds as opposed to Okaysee's forty
three rebounds, and okayc had twelve offensive rebounds. As a whole,
that's just extra points that they're going to put back
on you. When you have Chet getting put backs to Hartenstein,
who was pretty largely irrelevant, having put backs, it's just
(05:37):
not gonna work. The game was very ticky, tacky towards
the end. It was actually like great in the first half,
and then as soon as the second half came around,
it was like, hey, Scott Foster, call fucking everything. He
called two flagrant one fouls two are you fucking kidding me?
It was just disgusting, right Like, if you watched it,
(05:58):
and hopefully it did, cause it was a classic, it
was hard to watch. There were some touch fowls where
Andrew Nei Smith had his hand on Shay's shoulder and
Shay ripped through and tried to shoot just fowl merchant stuff.
Siakam At at certain points in the game looked like
the best player on the court. Again. He had twenty
(06:19):
eight and five. He had five steals, he had a block,
his defense was really good. He had some crucial rebounds,
and he only took those fifteen shots. He was just
he was a difference maker, but he only took fifteen shots.
Obi Toppin could not be stopped. Ain't no stopping Obi Toppin.
He had seventeen seven and one and it wasn't just
like how many points he had in the third quarter.
(06:45):
Obi Toppin had this one opportunity for a three pointer
and it looked like, oh wow, Obi Toppin just doesn't
have it tonight. Where Obi Toppin isn't aggressive right now,
you need to take every opportunity you can against thunders defense,
shotlock violation. After that, Obi Topping back to back threes
(07:07):
and then Obi Topping big dunk, put back dunk just
like he did in Game three, and then a big
rebound that caused a foul that put the okac in
the UH in the penalty. Then a block on Jalen
Williams that causes shotclock violation, all in the span of
two minutes. Like I said about Cruiser really fast, all
(07:29):
of Cruiser's points stopped runs pretty much. It was bucket
after bucket that made the game feel like it was
closer for Oka. See it gave them hope. Miles Turner
just disgusting, just disgusting stuff missed a hugh multiple open
threes that he either missed badly or did not take that.
(07:50):
We had one that would have tied the game. I
think it was an airball. His shooting oh for six
from three, three for ten was just That's why Obi
Topen has to get minutes because Myles Turner is just awful.
They need to figure it out. Tyrese Haliburton, I'm sure
is going to get gonna get shit on again. It's
up and down and up and down again for Tyrese Aliburton.
(08:12):
What can the man do? He was okay eighteen two
and seven at two steals, shot one for seven from three.
He kids can't really have that. But they were figuring
some things out. I'm not sure why Halliburton wanted chet
on him to shoot threes. I personally don't want a
seven footer on me when I want to hit threes.
That's just me. Had a few crucial layups down the
(08:35):
stretch of the game, though, and some and some crucial
and one opportunities. So the game was decided one because
Scott Foster was there. Number one. That's like to me,
number one. The fouls were agreed. I cannot express to
you how upset I was by that the Pacers were
(08:55):
awful for them from three, but so were the Thunder
as bad as the Pacers were from three. The Thunder
shot seventeen percent from three three for seventeen. Wow, So
that wasn't the equalizer, but because they only had thirty
percent from three, much better than seventeen. They had open
(09:16):
looks they missed, but the free throws dog. They just
couldn't make the free throws down the stretch. In terms
of the free throw disparity, Pacers shot twenty five for
thirty three from the free throw line, and a lot
of those misses were down in the fourth quarter. You
just cannot have that. Just cannot have that. In some ways,
(09:36):
I feel like the Thunder one a game where a
lot of the stats show that they should have gotten
blown the fuck out, which is a testament to them.
Two of their starters had six or less points. Hartenstein
had two, Dort had six. Dort was very physical, gotten
foul trouble. The Thunder made three total free three pointers
(09:57):
all game. Like I said, they turn over, blocks, and
steels were basically even. Four of their five bench players
shot at combined three for thirteen. God, they were bad.
None of these are particularly good statistics. They only had
ten assists in the whole game. Ten assists in the
whole game. Tyrese Haliburt averages ten assists himself in the
(10:17):
Pacers at twenty one. And yet somehow, okay, see one,
how Scott Foster, Scott Foster, no shay was incredibly had
nine straight points and that was pretty much. Yet those
touch fowls for Scott Foster are going to really lament.
Rick Carlisle was absolutely losing his mind out there. He
(10:38):
was the touch foul on mathin grabbing Jalen Williams's wrist.
Was I can express to you how baffled I was
by that. It was a wildly inconsistently left game. Back
to the Thunder, they become the first team in NBA
(11:00):
history NBA Finals history, with ten or fewer assists and
three or fewer threes and still win. No team since
twenty twelve has won a Final game with only three threes.
And they should not have won. OKAC is calling this
the greatest win in OKAC history. This feels to me
so much like Game four against Denver. You should not
(11:25):
win this game, and you won it somehow. You're down
with two minutes left to go, and you stretch this
thing out where they got to play the foul game. Wow.
OKAC has the best win percentage following a loss in
NBA history. In the postseason, they're six. No, they're eighteen
(11:46):
and two following a loss. We move on to Game
five at OKAC, which I'm sure will be on fire,
then Game six on Thursday and Indie, and a possible
probable Game seven Sunday night in Okay. See. I need
a Game seven. I do. And I have a confession.
(12:08):
I'm rooting for these Pacers. I'm worried, but I'm rooting
for him. I just like the little engine that could
chugg the chigg the chill, that chill, the chigg the chill.
And I really hope that Haliburton gives us magic. And
I hope that the Pacers figure out a way to
slow down Shake because they haven't exactly figured out a
way to do that yet. And by the way, real quick,
(12:30):
before we end this, Shae can't be an MVP and
call for switches against Andrew Nemhart to get him off
of you and get aaron Ne Smith on you. That's
some crazy ass shit. If I'm Andrew Nemhart, I'm texting
him all night. I'm in your head, buddy, I am
in your head. You don't want me guarding you because
I can put the buckle up on you and strap
(12:52):
you down. And he had him frustrated. So more. Andrew
Nemhart on Shae Less, Aaron Neith Smith. That's all the
time that we have for this episode of The Heat.
Check come back Tuesday for an all new episode, and
check out the feet for past episodes and the occasional
bonus emergency episode like now that came at unexpectedly like
(13:13):
a Ben Mathuram smelt. Ben, give us, then take us away.
That's all the weeks time that we have. We'll see
you next time. Thank you for waking, thank you for listening.
On this episode of The Heat Check. Oh, God damn it, Pacers,
God damn it, Pacers. We've got a lot to talk about, y'all,
and the chat a lot to get to. It's an
immediate reaction extra episode on a Saturday. What up, Wyatt?
Drop that motherfucker beat? That should be Rihanna. You you're
(00:23):
listening to the Hottest, the Hottest. It'd be a podcast
out here. I said what I said, it's the Heat
Chick Check. Guys. What did I just watch? What did
I just see? I knew it. I just felt it.
(00:46):
I felt like, there's just no way, There's just no way.
There's no way that the Pacers are gonna win three
of the first four games. It was Scott Foster game,
the extender pause. NBA calls him in whenever they need
to stretch a series out, to stretch it out pause,
and that's exactly where this series is heading. So it
(01:10):
felt like for most of the game, Indiana had this
shit sorted. The Thunder couldn't shoot a three to save
their life, didn't even want to try. Shae had a
very quiet first three quarters. They were staggering his minutes.
Dagonall was taking him in, taking him out, took him
out of the third quarter, then put them immediately back
(01:31):
in because the Pacers took took the lead to ten,
and it was like, oh my god, what are they
gonna do? The Pacers had a ten point lead for
most of the second half, and we're still leading one
O three, one O two with two twenty three left
in the game, and then Shaye hit a shot to
give the Thunder their first lead of the second half,
and it was just brutal. The Pacers scored two fucking
(01:54):
points the rest of the way. Unacceptable, unacceptable. Most of
the Indiana collapse is probably gonna fall on the shoulders
of Ben Mathern, who absolutely the only reason he was
in the game at all was because Andrew Ne Smith
fouled out. So Nie Smith, gets your shit together. Mattherine
(02:14):
went one for four from the free throw line, three points.
Smiths there and committed not one but two away from
the ball fouls that gave the Thunder two free throws
and the ball and the ball five points and the
other ones that I I just it's inexplicable. Had he
(02:35):
made his shots not committed those two fouls, it would
have been tied one O seven, one oh seven the
final twenty seconds. The Matherine experiences is very similar to
the current Russ o Westbrook experience, where some days Russ
winds you a game and some days Russ loses you
a game. An athletic monster who sometimes makes inexplicable decisions
(02:58):
and plays just as often, and as he's making the
ones to say, Wow, this guy's a fucking bucket, this
guy's really good. Here are my thoughts. With three minutes
and thirty four seconds left, Shay had twenty two points.
I looked at the graphic on the screen and he
had thirty eight, he had thirty four, he had twenty four,
(03:23):
and at that point he had twenty two, and I said, wow,
the pacers are really getting better and better out holding
him down. And then he scored thirteen points in the
final three and a half minutes. Crazy. He had two
free throws halfway through the fourth and ended up ten
for ten just inevitable. Inevitable chat was pretty good. He
(03:47):
had a game high plus fourteen. He had fifteen rebounds.
He was okay on offense. He had a couple of
get into the lane layups that were big boss, like
put your body into him and get into the lane.
Defense was pretty solid. He had a big block on
Halliburton on the perimeter. I think two of those. Alex
(04:08):
Caruso was excellent. Bounced back from a bad Game three
where he was a game worst plus minus to tie
chat with the plus fourteen net rating. Had twenty points
off the bench, and not just the twenty it was
when he decided to score that was super meaningful. He
had this one side fallaway jumper baseline that I was like, God, damn,
(04:32):
that's a Superstar shop splash. He had an astonishing five steals.
He was really fucking good. He pretty much was the
reason I think that the Thunder had a chance to
even come back into this game. In Game three, the
Pacers bench doubled up the Thunders bench in scoring. In
(04:52):
this game, the gap was only ten points. Here are
some other stats that I think are super interesting. So
last game, we saw the Pacers get get into the paint,
get busy. I think they had forty eight points in
the paint in this particular game, thirty six points in
(05:12):
the paint compared to okayse He's fifty. And they had
only thirty three total rebounds as opposed to Okaysee's forty
three rebounds, and okayc had twelve offensive rebounds. As a whole,
that's just extra points that they're going to put back
on you. When you have Chet getting put backs to Hartenstein,
who was pretty largely irrelevant, having put backs, it's just
(05:37):
not gonna work. The game was very ticky, tacky towards
the end. It was actually like great in the first half,
and then as soon as the second half came around,
it was like, hey, Scott Foster, call fucking everything. He
called two flagrant one fouls two are you fucking kidding me?
It was just disgusting, right Like, if you watched it,
(05:58):
and hopefully it did, cause it was a classic, it
was hard to watch. There were some touch fowls where
Andrew Nei Smith had his hand on Shay's shoulder and
Shay ripped through and tried to shoot just fowl merchant stuff.
Siakam At at certain points in the game looked like
the best player on the court. Again. He had twenty
(06:19):
eight and five. He had five steals, he had a block,
his defense was really good. He had some crucial rebounds,
and he only took those fifteen shots. He was just
he was a difference maker, but he only took fifteen shots.
Obi Toppin could not be stopped. Ain't no stopping Obi Toppin.
He had seventeen seven and one and it wasn't just
like how many points he had in the third quarter.
(06:45):
Obi Toppin had this one opportunity for a three pointer
and it looked like, oh wow, Obi Toppin just doesn't
have it tonight. Where Obi Toppin isn't aggressive right now,
you need to take every opportunity you can against thunders defense,
shotlock violation. After that, Obi Topping back to back threes
(07:07):
and then Obi Topping big dunk, put back dunk just
like he did in Game three, and then a big
rebound that caused a foul that put the okac in
the UH in the penalty. Then a block on Jalen
Williams that causes shotclock violation, all in the span of
two minutes. Like I said about Cruiser really fast, all
(07:29):
of Cruiser's points stopped runs pretty much. It was bucket
after bucket that made the game feel like it was
closer for Oka. See it gave them hope. Miles Turner
just disgusting, just disgusting stuff missed a hugh multiple open
threes that he either missed badly or did not take that.
(07:50):
We had one that would have tied the game. I
think it was an airball. His shooting oh for six
from three, three for ten was just That's why Obi
Topen has to get minutes because Myles Turner is just awful.
They need to figure it out. Tyrese Haliburton, I'm sure
is going to get gonna get shit on again. It's
up and down and up and down again for Tyrese Aliburton.
(08:12):
What can the man do? He was okay eighteen two
and seven at two steals, shot one for seven from three.
He kids can't really have that. But they were figuring
some things out. I'm not sure why Halliburton wanted chet
on him to shoot threes. I personally don't want a
seven footer on me when I want to hit threes.
That's just me. Had a few crucial layups down the
(08:35):
stretch of the game, though, and some and some crucial
and one opportunities. So the game was decided one because
Scott Foster was there. Number one. That's like to me,
number one. The fouls were agreed. I cannot express to
you how upset I was by that the Pacers were
(08:55):
awful for them from three, but so were the Thunder
as bad as the Pacers were from three. The Thunder
shot seventeen percent from three three for seventeen. Wow, So
that wasn't the equalizer, but because they only had thirty
percent from three, much better than seventeen. They had open
(09:16):
looks they missed, but the free throws dog. They just
couldn't make the free throws down the stretch. In terms
of the free throw disparity, Pacers shot twenty five for
thirty three from the free throw line, and a lot
of those misses were down in the fourth quarter. You
just cannot have that. Just cannot have that. In some ways,
(09:36):
I feel like the Thunder one a game where a
lot of the stats show that they should have gotten
blown the fuck out, which is a testament to them.
Two of their starters had six or less points. Hartenstein
had two, Dort had six. Dort was very physical, gotten
foul trouble. The Thunder made three total free three pointers
(09:57):
all game. Like I said, they turn over, blocks, and
steels were basically even. Four of their five bench players
shot at combined three for thirteen. God, they were bad.
None of these are particularly good statistics. They only had
ten assists in the whole game. Ten assists in the
whole game. Tyrese Haliburt averages ten assists himself in the
(10:17):
Pacers at twenty one. And yet somehow, okay, see one,
how Scott Foster, Scott Foster, no shay was incredibly had
nine straight points and that was pretty much. Yet those
touch fowls for Scott Foster are going to really lament.
Rick Carlisle was absolutely losing his mind out there. He
(10:38):
was the touch foul on mathin grabbing Jalen Williams's wrist.
Was I can express to you how baffled I was
by that. It was a wildly inconsistently left game. Back
to the Thunder, they become the first team in NBA
(11:00):
history NBA Finals history, with ten or fewer assists and
three or fewer threes and still win. No team since
twenty twelve has won a Final game with only three threes.
And they should not have won. OKAC is calling this
the greatest win in OKAC history. This feels to me
so much like Game four against Denver. You should not
(11:25):
win this game, and you won it somehow. You're down
with two minutes left to go, and you stretch this
thing out where they got to play the foul game. Wow.
OKAC has the best win percentage following a loss in
NBA history. In the postseason, they're six. No, they're eighteen
(11:46):
and two following a loss. We move on to Game
five at OKAC, which I'm sure will be on fire,
then Game six on Thursday and Indie, and a possible
probable Game seven Sunday night in Okay. See. I need
a Game seven. I do. And I have a confession.
(12:08):
I'm rooting for these Pacers. I'm worried, but I'm rooting
for him. I just like the little engine that could
chugg the chigg the chill, that chill, the chigg the chill.
And I really hope that Haliburton gives us magic. And
I hope that the Pacers figure out a way to
slow down Shake because they haven't exactly figured out a
way to do that yet. And by the way, real quick,
(12:30):
before we end this, Shae can't be an MVP and
call for switches against Andrew Nemhart to get him off
of you and get aaron Ne Smith on you. That's
some crazy ass shit. If I'm Andrew Nemhart, I'm texting
him all night. I'm in your head, buddy, I am
in your head. You don't want me guarding you because
I can put the buckle up on you and strap
(12:52):
you down. And he had him frustrated. So more. Andrew
Nemhart on Shae Less, Aaron Neith Smith. That's all the
time that we have for this episode of The Heat.
Check come back Tuesday for an all new episode, and
check out the feet for past episodes and the occasional
bonus emergency episode like now that came at unexpectedly like
(13:13):
a Ben Mathuram smelt. Ben, give us, then take us away.
That's all the weeks time that we have. We'll see
you next time. Thank you for waking, thank you for listening.
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