Best of Chuck & Buck 11-11

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crooks.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Good morning everyone, morning, it's some time.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Good morning class, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (00:06):
Ladies and gentlemen, behold.

Speaker 5 (00:08):
A producing six one guard from Brighton, Illinois and former
high school basketball stand What in the hell.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Does that mean?

Speaker 4 (00:17):
You don't jumped any conclusions? Not a god, You've got
to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to.

Speaker 6 (00:26):
Pluto, getting Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just openly
admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 7 (00:33):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
A five seven guard and a former college water polo
national champions.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
A lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan. What to you buy to Lada Casino Resort
and quill see the Greek Draft Game sports book where
the action never stopped you.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Well, good morning, Welcome into the radio show. It is
Chucking Buck in the Morning's on a Tuesday Sports Radio
ninety three point three kJ R FM. Maybe you mixed
tacos into your day. I don't know, feels right to me.
Ashley Ryan is here. Former Marin or Bucky Jacob said,
my name is Chuck Powell. We got four hours with
you today. We'll take you till ten o'clock, and we
will cover all sorts of fascinating aspects of the entire

(01:35):
sports world, particularly here in Seattle, Washington. So we welcome
you to the show. We have five good legs between us.
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yours fell off.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, king around, we'll fall off.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
It's still there. Oh, just a little swollen, had scouting
on my part. Yeah, yeah, it's still there.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Hard to see though.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah, yeah, I had a little one of those procedures
at Pinnacle where they're doing some plasma rich or platelet
rich plasma therapy.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Back in the cartoons, if there's people plasma and dog plasma,
make sure you don't get the dog plasma.

Speaker 8 (02:17):
People.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
I'm pretty sure it was my own plasma.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Okay, well that's good because the dog plasma will make
you start acting like a dog. Have you being right?
According to the cartoon heard did.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
You hear the barking it?

Speaker 6 (02:32):
Oh no, that would be the worst thing that could
possibly happen.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I'd rather not have a leg. I love probably like
it a lot about it.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Get a lot more pets you should.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Go around helping everybody.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Yeah, that's true. Sorry, what's different? Dog plasma? Put in?
What's new? Yeah that would be new. But yeah, no,
it's fine. I had it before, but I had it
done on like a Friday, so it kind of it's
stiff for day or so and then and then it dissipates,
it goes, it goes away. But yeah, now I had
it done yesterday and I was got up today and

(03:07):
I'm like, oh, there's gonna be a rough one getting around.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, I'm gonna tell you this right now, And I
don't want to ruin anything for you, but you've been
drinking a lot of water lately, and there is no
way that Ashley and I are going to carry you
to the bathroom. If your leg starts, then might just
go right here. I'll go get a.

Speaker 9 (03:27):
Dolly from the engineering slash storage room.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
We could just push him up and down there.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I might.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think you think that's I think you think that's easy.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
You could wheel yourself, No, I couldn't. Like a scooter.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
I don't know if I could do that. You use
those two haul refrigerators around. I'm not the size of
refrigerator plus her refrigerators easier.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
To manage you with all your limbs and loose parts.
You'd be flopping over and I'd be having to push
you with one arm and then hold you in place
with the other. Yeah, that's more work than just carrying you.

Speaker 9 (04:05):
We have one that lays flat. I was thinking you
could just sit on that and we could push you around.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Okay, we might have to do that because I actually
do have to go to the bathroom, and I chose
do not try to make the trip.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
It would take me about ten minutes to get there.

Speaker 9 (04:17):
Use a wheelichair. We're in wheelichairs. Just put your bad
knee on there and push with your good foot.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Just put a little Johnny on the spot right out here.
Little honey bucket. Yeah, people they call and call them
in Madison BUCkies apparently, according to Softie. Really yeah, they
call their outhouses BUCkies. Well that's dumb. I don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
My time was really funny.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
By the way, that was the company that made them,
like honey Bucket in Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Yeah, BUCkies is a big I got to go to
a Bucky window BUCkies supermarket before heard of it.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Bring it up.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Yeah, mini mart that is basically like Walmart, but on steroids. Like,
but it's a gas station, Slash said, Bucky Beavers. It
has a beaver, it has a it's not it's BUCkies,
but b U C K E e. Oh, and it
has a beaver on there. But it's but it's not
Bucky Beaver's. That's called BUCkies.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Just called BUCkies. Yeah, but they have everything.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
I have food and clothes and gas and good knees.
They probably would have a good knee or two in there.
We run in there and get you one. I could
use it right now. Yeah, you can just real hop
hop in. I'm gonna hop in real quick and get
Bucky a knee. I'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, a leftne get left, well.

Speaker 10 (05:37):
The road.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
The one you've had a lot of problems with.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
My right one is the one I had replaced. My
left one is started to hurt. That's why I'm doing
the integrated.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
You need another right one. That's the one that's the
bionic me.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
It is bionic.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
I'm trying to stay away from getting another bionic one
by doing this. And it's just part of the process.
You get it shut with this plasma and then now
they'll put some stem cells in there. Oh, my next
spin it around. Yep, yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
All right, Well, hopefully this is just the storm before
the calm. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping to that it
just tames down here a little bit because we do
not want to carry you. We're not worried about your pain. No,
we do not want to carry you to the bathroom.
You might have to. Yeah, all right, well, good morning
to you. We get started here on this day. And

(06:27):
you know, I was talking to Hugh actually on the
phone last night and he's like, I was a busy
day talking Seahawks. But we could have easily done an
entire show on the Huskies. And yeah, but I'm kind
of glad we didn't because I know some people like
talking about things that. I mean, it's compelling radio to,

(06:50):
you know, talk about a loss. It might even be
more compelling to talk about a loss and try to
fix things and try to point fingers and try to
figure out what went wrong. Again, that's probably is, you know,
the kind of radio show that you can sink your
teeth into. But it was kind of fun, kind of
focusing on the blowout win from a football team here
in town yesterday. But there's no doubt there are some

(07:13):
angry Husky fans, dog fans, and even a head coach
over what happened in Madison, Wisconsin on Saturday. Jedfish and
his team. It's like they played inside a BUCkies. They
played one of their worst games of the year. And
after two weeks, two weeks of build up, a bye
and everything, two weeks of build up talking about how, hey,

(07:34):
the path to the college playoff is here, and man,
the door got slammed on that rather quickly, on just
a stinker effort against a team that just hasn't been
able to find success this year in the Wisconsin Badgers,
And so it led to a bit of a testy
press conference yesterday Jedfish once again being asked, and it

(07:56):
sounds like more aggressively so from the Seattle media hoarde
about what's the deal? Are you staying or not? Do
you want to be here or not? There are rumors
out there that your wife and daughter are living in
Arizona and don't want to be here, and all sorts
of things that were posed to Jedfish yesterday, and it's

(08:17):
the most animated he's been about this topic. It's the
most you know, pound your fist on the table kind
of reaction that we've seen from Jedfish trying to assure
people that yes, he wants to be here, Yes things
are going well despite Saturday's the lost to Wisconsin, and
so he tried to do his best to convince us

(08:38):
that I don't care what rumors that you're hearing, I
don't care about the ridiculousness of the coaching carousel. I'm
here to stay and you're not going to make up
a story on me, and it's actually leading to a distraction.
So he was actually quite adamant about it yesterday. Now,
I watched Rafael pelmer Zo perjure himself in Supreme Court

(09:03):
by doing the exact same thing. So you never know
exactly what the truth is. But I'll give Jetfish this,
This is the most he stepped forward and said Bucky
that it's all garbage, it's hogwash. I'm staying here.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well, the idea of whenever coaching vacancies pop up, then
people are going to write stories on who's going to
fill that spot, and then they do end up throwing
names in there. Now, I would say, to some degree,
I like jet I think he seems like a nice dude,
But I mean, the fact that you've been a mobile
coach for a majority of your career lends itself to

(09:41):
where you're going to be one of the names that
pops into people's heads when they're writing articles, they're having
discussions about it, and so don't get too terribly upset
about it. I do think that the idea of trying
to put you know, add this plus that, I think
that that does not necessarily mean the fact that his
wife and kids aren't here, you know, could just simply
be Yeah, I didn't want to uproot my daughter from

(10:03):
another school because I have already moved.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
You have friends there. That itself makes sense. Yeah, I
mean so.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
But at the same time, you can't get your you know,
you can't get too terribly riled up if you're the
coach that has moved around consistently over the course of
your career, and understandably so I don't I don't fault
coaches for doing it. Now, there's a part of it
where loyalty or really wanting to put your roots down
and really wanting to you know, make a name for
yourself in a certain market or a certain at a

(10:29):
certain program. I think that there's something to it but
if you if you're like that is where I would
rather be, then okay, go ahead and go. I mean,
that's that's your prerogative. Is your your right to go
chase whatever dream, whatever program you want, and hopefully you
find something that you want to stick with. And yet
he was making it sound yesterday like this is where

(10:51):
he wants to be and this is where he wants
to stick now, just like everybody else that hears that,
they're like, yeah, but that's exactly what you would say
until you leave, right, that's what. So to me, it's
one of those I'm not gonna I wonder.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
What the press conferences were like in Tucson, Yeah, exactly
leading up to his announcement that he was coming here.
And look, I'm really not trying to jump on Jed
here because I think it is grossly unfair if he
legitimately wants to be here and legitimately wants to see
this thing through and legitimately thinks he's building something special

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and his wife and daughter are legitimately in Arizona until
she's done with high school because Jed is planning on
staying in Seattle for the next ten to fifteen years
of his career, and that missus Fish really desperately wants
to be next to her husband, but she's trying to
do right by her daughter. I mean, that's this is
desperately unfair that this would be hounding him, following him

(11:47):
around in this process because let's face it, today's college coach,
you are recruiting every second of every single day. That
press conference hurts his recruiting efforts. That press conference makes
the next seventeen year old or the star linebacker from
James Madison that would like to jump up into the
big boy conference before his time is done at college.

(12:09):
That makes everybody pause. Every one of those young men
pause and their families pause about well, where they's smoke,
there's fire, right dad, You know that if they're talking
about him leaving, there must be something to it. So
from that standpoint, I do sympathize with him if he's

(12:30):
telling the truth, if what he's saying is actually genuine,
that he does want to be here, And unfortunately, because
of his history, it's hard to believe he genuinely wants
to be here once those rumors start. So it's really
a catch twenty two for a talk show host and
for Jedfish frankly, the predicament that he's in if in

(12:51):
fact that he has nothing to do with the rumors
that he wants to be out at Washington.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Well, you're talking about the effect that it has, the
naked impact it has on recruiting. Is that's real? And
yet I think that most coaches when they first sign,
you know, and they're doing their introduction, you know, a
little press conference, that they are about as excited as
possible about being where it is that they just signed.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
And where they're planning on being, and then things can change.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
He didn't know that all of these job opportunities were
going to open up, right, I mean, you can assume
there's going to be other colleges that are going to
fire their coach at some point in time. The idea
of loyalty to one program is kind of out the window,
because especially in today's day and age, where we're going

(13:37):
to pay a bunch of money to have this team
and they better be competitive. If you're not, if you
lose a couple of games, you shouldn't you show up
the way they showed up this last weekend. You might
be out on the streets looking for somewhere to.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Go, period.

Speaker 6 (13:49):
Not that you're leaving preemptively, You're you might be forced
into having to go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
And so I think that.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Loyalty is a word that, while I love the word,
don't think I think goes both ways. I think there's
coaches that are just like, Nope, this is a stepping stone,
or somewhere at some point in time during their tenure
at a place, they're like, boy, if that opens up,
that's where I'd rather go, right, whether it's an alma
mater of theirs or where you know their their mentor coached,
or whatever the case might be. And yet I do

(14:19):
think it's unfair. It's fair, but it's not. It is
kind of unfair from his standpoint.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
If it's true, it's unfair, but it's also in play, right,
you know, I mean, your history has to come into
the conversation. And where was the speech when these rumors
were first starting. Where was the standing on top of
the podium and saying this is ridiculous. Where were the
words like ridiculous earlier in the season. Because these rumors
have been out all year long, and part of it

(14:46):
is because of this crazy college coaching world that we've
suddenly entered a phase that a lot of people, including
Rick new ISISAC who loves college football more than anybody,
didn't even see coming. I mean, how could you see
it coming? We were going to have this many coaches
under long term contracts let go because there were boosters

(15:07):
around that were willing to eat monster contracts, or at
least seemed willing to eat. LSU is now trying to
fire Brian Kelly with cause so that they don't have
to pay the fifty four million dollars.

Speaker 9 (15:19):
After they tried to offer him like twenty five million,
and just to be like, yeah, there, we'll give you
twenty five how about that?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah? I mean, so, look, we're entered this crazy world,
and so he gets lumped into it, and if he
really doesn't have a hand or his agent doesn't have
a hand in poking around at UCLA or Florida and
trying to gauge interest, then it Yeah, then it does
cross over into just how unfair is that to Jed

(15:46):
Fish to have to go through this if he genuinely
wants to be here, because it really would be screwing
up his job and his job duties.

Speaker 9 (15:55):
Yeah, well, and I do think that that aspect is
unfair but I also think we can't put too much
stock in to anything a college coach says these days,
because you've got.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
She still hurt by day, I am a little bit.

Speaker 9 (16:06):
Yeah, but it's true, right, because we're talking about that
he doesn't he's got his family still in Arizona because
his daughter wants to finish high school, which is a
completely valid reason, right. But him moving here isn't going
to mean that he's going to stay here. If he
moves his whole family here, he could say all the
things that Caylin de Boor said, I want my whole
family to be here, like this is where I see
my life. And at the time, I do believe that

(16:29):
was real. I don't think he was just saying it
to say it. Maybe well, well.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
The only reason that I remaced is because I think
he was saying it and it was true to him
at the time.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
But he does have a tendency to move. I mean,
there is a chance here that Jedfish just likes what
Bucky was talking about being the new guy. There's a
lot of excitement that goes with being the new guy,
you know. Oh yeah, I mean it's hard when you're
little to be the kid in school that moves a

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lot and you just get sick of. But when you
are the highest paid guy on campus and you are
suddenly thrust into this role of most popular kid in school.
The moment that you arrive on campus because you drive
a motorcycle and you got a tattoo and you're eleven
years old and all the girls think you're cute, I mean,
that's awesome. And maybe Jedfish is addicted to that feeling

(17:25):
of being the new guy on campus that gets to
start from scratch. That's wonderful. I can tell you that
my first day at KJR was a lot more exciting
than today. Fair. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad. I love
the job and I love doing it. I'm glad to
be here talking about it. But there's no way to
compare being the first day of your new job and
the excitement that goes into it, and you get to

(17:47):
start from scratch and everything else and you have pie
in the sky hopes and dreams and aspirations, and so
maybe he's addicted to that. Maybe maybe that's part of
his character.

Speaker 9 (17:58):
Maybe he's happy here till he it's offered a job
from somewhere else, and he hasn't been offered the job
from somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
So he's like, hey, I like it here, I'm good
and justifies.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
It in his own mind. I'm being honest.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
There right now, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
And then well it all goes back to Troy Dan. Yeah.
I mean, because it all falls on you, dubbed too.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Why did you hire a guy that jumps around every
two years if you didn't want to deal with the
smoke that goes with coaching openings coming up? And then
and then that goes back to Dan.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
So I mean it's a it's a complicated topic, there's
no doubt. I mean, I appreciate that coach Fish stepped
up and said it's ridiculous and pounded the podium for
the first time in this entire process. I don't know
what's going on behind the scenes. I really don't know
how genuine, how honest he's being with it, how true
the rumors are, how thick the smoke is where the

(18:51):
fires might actually exist. But at least he tried. He
did better at trying to shoot them down, trying to
put them out yesterday, and now we'll see. I'm with
you Ashley. I'm I mean, I want to trust him,
but I.

Speaker 9 (19:07):
Don't, right, And that's and it's fine. I have no
animosity towards me. If he's gonna go somewhere else, he's
gonna go somewhere else. I think he's saying what he
believes in the moment right now. If another opportunity arises
and he leaves, would I be shocked?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, I wouldn't either, But I and I wouldn't be
mad either, man. So there you go.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show. What's on TEP?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
I'm I mean I football. It was kind of pretty ugly.
It wasn't much offense, but it was very interesting. The
entire game was just a battle for inches. Uh Philadelphia
Green Bay. For some reason, both offensive coordinators were completely conservative,
with veteran quarterbacks who've done a thing or two in

(19:50):
this league, and yet nobody could find offense until late.
Final score was ten to seven the Eagles over the
Green Bay Packers. So another week of the new National
Football League season is in the books. But we've already
kind of moved on here in Seattle. I mean, we
win by twenty two all the time these days, so
it's time to focus on the next big one, the

(20:11):
Los Angeles Rams, the biggest test of the season to
this point in Los Angeles, first place on the line,
and so that conversation begins today. Greg Bell will join
us at seven oh five. NFL notes from yesterday, Brian
Dable crazy coaching carousel right he's out as New York
Giants head coach. I heard some very interesting things about

(20:33):
this on the drive in. Hopefully we'll have time to
share it later on in the show. Joe Burrow has
opened up his window to possibly be activated by Thanksgiving.
It sounds like his toe injury was supposed to keep
him out for the entire year, but the progress that
he's shown has Cincinnati thinking he can play before the
end of the season and maybe as soon as Thanksgiving Day.

(20:56):
College football playoff rankings come out tonight, week number two
of that new Isa will join us at nine o'clock.
We'll talk to him about Jed Fish college football rankings
and UDUB versus Purdue. This Saturday, college basketball, it is
Apple Cup Hardwood Week U double take on the Koogs.
This Friday night, Kraken and Columbus meet here in Seattle

(21:17):
tonight at seven o'clock. Everett fits you our guest at
eight thirty to discuss that and Major League Baseball's Award
week is here. Last night, Rookies of the Year were announced,
no surprise. As a matter of fact, he was a
unanimous choice, and that was a little bit of a surprise.
Nick Kurtz of the Athletics was named the American League
Rookie of the Year, and Drake Baldwin beat out Cad

(21:38):
Horton of Chicago. The Atlanta Catcher won the National League
Rookie of the Year honor, and that sets up tonight
where a Mariner will be in position to win a
major award. Managers of the Year will be announced tonight.
Dan Wilson is a finalist and we will discuss next

(21:58):
whether or not he will win this year's award on
Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 11 (22:06):
First down in ten Green Bay, thirty six for Philadelphia's
shotgun snap fake the bigsby back, the pass hurts, goes long,
larching spiral down the middle, leaping.

Speaker 12 (22:15):
Catch of the go line, touchdown pat the go line
defun Tay Smith a thirty six hard.

Speaker 11 (22:23):
Strike and the Eagles have scored the game's first touchdown.
In the fourth quarter, green Bay is down ten to
nothing love second down three Eagles seven in the gun
surveys the defense shotgunsnap hand to Jacobs over the right guard, plowing,
breaking tackles.

Speaker 12 (22:41):
Carries a up thunder in touchdown Green Bay. Josh Jacobs
a six yard pulldozing touchdown running and the Packers.

Speaker 11 (22:51):
Are back in business. With five forty nine to go
in the game, trailing out ten to six, extra point
is coming up. It's a sixty four yard field goal
and the kick is so wide left it ends up
in Sheboygan and the ball is wide and not even close.
The game is over. Zeros on the clock. A field

(23:12):
sixty four yard field goal by green Bay and the
Eagles have survived.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Kevin Carlin, Kevin Harlan there on the call, He's everywhere,
feels like he's everywhere. Really, was that Kurt Warner laughing
in the bat That was the giggle of Hall of
Famer Kurt Warner there in the background on Westwood One
last night, where we brought you Monday Night football right
here on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Final
score ten to seven on a Monday night, the Philadelphia

(23:47):
Eagles defeat the Green Bay Packers, and so the week
comes to a close. And that's a good thing because
now we can get excited about the week that lies
ahead and the biggest game of the year, the Seahawks
taking on the Rams this Sunday in Los Angeles for
first place in the NFC West. We'll talk all about
it with Greg Bell, who will join us in a

(24:07):
matter of moments, but first let's rip through your frost
brewed cors Light chill headlines here on this Tuesday. College
football rankings come out tonight. It's the second version of them.
There will be some changes that are going to take place.
We'll go through all of that for you at seven
point thirty here this morning. You double be taking on

(24:28):
Purdue this week, and with the Jedfish cloud hanging over
the program at this point. Yesterday, taken to task at
at press conference for whether or not he does want
to be here, he was, excuse me, rather adamant, and
maybe the most adamant he's been about this entire topic yesterday,

(24:50):
assuring people, or attempting to assure people, that he absolutely
wants to be here and is here for the long term.
We'll talk to coach new Eiel about it a little
bit later on in the show. College Basketball, it'sww excuse me,
ub wazoo Apple Cup Hardwood Week. If that's just way
too much to say, I don't even think I should
say it. Frankly, it's gonna be Friday Night crack and

(25:12):
taking on Columbus tonight at seven o'clock. And the American
League Rookies of the Year were Nick Kurtz of the Athletics,
Drake Baldwin of the Braves. Today tonight we'll find out
the Managers of the Year. Dan Wilson a finalist there.
So we'll certainly talk about a little bit later on
in the show. But right now, let's welcome in our

(25:32):
Seahawks insider Greg Bail.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 13 (25:35):
Yeah, Happy Veterans Day to all of my brothers and
sisters and arms and our country appreciates you.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Tuesday. How about our Veterans Days normally on Mondays? Am
I missing this or does it flow during the course
of the.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Week now, I think it's always been on a Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
It's always on a Tuesday, Okay.

Speaker 13 (25:56):
I think, okay, maybe wrong about that.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, how old is the Army?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
The Army?

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, eighteez, make you do math.

Speaker 13 (26:07):
At seven am, West Point was eighteen oh two, so
the Army was before that.

Speaker 6 (26:15):
I was just wondering because I know yesterday was the
two hundred and fiftieth birthday for the Marines. I sent
my brother in law that was a marine or is
a marine? The thanks type of a text message or whatever,
and so I just wonder because I figured the Army
was the oldest.

Speaker 13 (26:30):
Yeah, the Army is the oldest, and the Marines copied
off the Army, so that you've heard my joke many times.
You've heard my marine joke many times. Marines are Navy
guys who flunked out of the.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Army, by the way, I was wondering, and then we'll
get into the seahawks.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Was one of my jar heads out there? I'm sorry.
I love my jar heads. Don't send any nasty text.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Was there any part of you that ever roots for Navy, Like,
were you rooting for name the over Notre Dame this Saturday?
Just curious?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I was rooting for a competitively. I don't like Notre Dame.
I can't stand her name personally.

Speaker 13 (27:09):
But honestly, no the last time.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, the last time I heard for Navy was against Iraq.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I think we won and covered. I'm
pretty sure. Yeah. All right, Well let's get into this
Seahawks Rams week this week, and yeah, as much as
we have to still talk about from this past Sunday,
it's hard not to think about the biggest game of
the year so far coming up on Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, they turned the page pretty quickly. Yesterday.

Speaker 13 (27:42):
They didn't break down the Rams because they had just
gotten out of film and they were doing their food trucks.
Mike McDonald has this deal where they win on Sunday,
they get food trucks come out the facility on Monday.
And I jokingly asked them, so if they lose, they
go hungry in here.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, they lose, they go.

Speaker 13 (28:00):
But what's interesting is Matt Stafford is just lighting it
up right. He's an MVP candidate, maybe the favorite to
win the MVP right now, and they've been just boat
racing everybody. I think it's four wins in a row
by fourteen and more points. Yet this game features the
two teams that are allowing the fewest points in the

(28:20):
NFC right now and are two of the best four
best point allowed defenses in the league. So while Stafford
and Darnold are getting all the attention, defenses are why
these two teams are combined fourteen and four right now.
That pretends it's going to be a low scoring game.
But it's just interesting to me that Sean McVay, for

(28:45):
all the acumen he has offensively and the kudos he
gets there being a genius offensively, when the Rams of
the best and they're really humming, it's their defense. Ernest
Jones was part of that defense that won the Super
Bowl for the Rams in twenty twenty one. When they
go far, it's because of their defense. They remained their
defense on the fly, and they had Barbie Wayding to

(29:06):
go through there for a year, and they had the
greatest defensive tackle maybe an NFL history, retire on them,
and they just keep reloading on the fly. They went
a couple of years without even top draft picks because
the trades, and yet here they are really didn't dip
much at all. Was one drive away from a snowstorm
in Philadelphia last year from beating the eventual Super Bowl

(29:26):
champions in the playoffs. But I would not overlook the
defensive matchup and what the Rams present defensively, it's usually
an attacking, blitzing, shore tackling, stopped to run defense.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
In that, I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
I mean, I know that the headline is McVeigh versus McDonald,
which would presume mcveigh's offensive mind in his offense versus
the Seahawks defense. And yet I do think the other
side of that coin is going to be interesting as well.
It's interesting you're talking about how they turned the page
and it's they had food truck Day or whatever. I

(30:00):
saw something yesterday and I think it was Leonard Williams
that was talking about how win or lose coaches just
basically getting them all right back to the process, all right,
back to the process, which is a great leadership tool,
I think, to get guys understanding that whatever happened in
the past, the outcome is where it is and now
it's back to getting heading towards the direct in the
direction of getting better. So what is it that you're

(30:21):
seeing now a year and a half into this thing
about the culture that you like or maybe something that
you don't like.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
I really like how Mike McDonald relates to his players.
Bucky you're right about it is a leadership thing to
talk about the process over the results. The NFL football
in general, is more conducive to that than say your
sport baseball, because you know they're playing baseball every day,
one hundred and sixty two games a year. The results
take precedence because there is the process is the result.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Every day is a result.

Speaker 13 (30:55):
In the NFL, the results come on every seven days mostly,
and so there are six days between games to focus
on that process. Not to mention that in baseball training
camp is what are essentially spring training six weeks, and
in football the practices start in April and go all
the way to the end of August. So the process
takes precedence in football because of the calendar, and so

(31:19):
coaches have a ton of time to instill the process
and do instill the way they want to train, and
training becomes more important than performance because training the gats performance.
What's impressed me most personally about McDonald as a first
time head coach the buy in he's gotten from his
players and.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
The methods he's using. He really does have a carrot
and stick approach.

Speaker 13 (31:43):
There are times that he is really hard on them
and just unyielding, both verbally and demanding physically in the
physicality of the practices, and not so much during the season.
They don't have many rules that allow them to do that,
but especially during training camp. Yet he does little things
like the food trucks are just a silly example, But

(32:07):
what was really telling to me was the bye week.
Almost every NFL team, Now Pete Carroll was one of
the first to do this fifteen years ago, but almost
every NFL team takes the entire week by week off winner.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Lose the previous game, right, but almost.

Speaker 13 (32:22):
Every team comes back from their game on Sunday, come
back Sunday, they play game on Sunday, and they come
back Monday and they do film, they do training, and
then they let him go Monday night to be off till.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
The following Monday morning.

Speaker 13 (32:35):
Mike McDonald, it was a very small thing, but Mike
McDonald told him in the locker room after they beat
Houston the week the game right before the.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Bye see you, I'll see you in eight days. Don't
even come in tomorrow. We're not doing film.

Speaker 13 (32:47):
That's a little thing, but that's unexpected one and two,
they loved it.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Unexpectedly.

Speaker 13 (32:53):
He's taken him to Fort Lewis Well Joint, what Base
Lewis McCord it's called now to train with the Army Rangers.
Just threw him on a bus and said, we're not
practicing today. We're going down to Lewis McCord and we're going.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
To go meet with the Army Rangers with fire saws and.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
Artillery weapons and Stubb a good old time meeting the military.
He brings special Forces guys in, He's brought Navy seals in,
He's brought special operations units from our civilian law enforcement
into practices. He doesn't like us to publicize that. A
lot of it is because there's operational security of people

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that are coming in and don't want to be recognized.
But he does a lot of military things. He's the
son of a West Point graduate, I've said, and he
has a lot.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Of military influence.

Speaker 13 (33:39):
The stuff he says, if you're walking, you're wrong, and
the commander's intent a.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Tip of the spear.

Speaker 13 (33:47):
Things I heard every day in my army life. I
hear out on the Seahawks practice field from Mike McDonald's
and he's twenty something. Guys are really buying into it. Couse,
winning helps, but even before they started winning. At the
beginning of the last season, they were brought.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
In Greg Bell is with us our Seahawks insider. You
can follow him at g bel Seattle on x and
of course the Newstribune dot com for complete Seahawks coverage.
And we have, of course a major injury coming out
of this game on Sunday. So how long is Jalen
Sundell going to be out? And then secondarily is olu
Ola with Timmy ready to step in in the biggest

(34:21):
game of the year, Well, it could be a month.

Speaker 13 (34:25):
McDonald mentioned that they are considering injured reserve for Sundell
with the knee injury he got in the first half
against Arizona, And of course if you go on injury reserve,
you have to miss four weeks. If he goes on
injury reserve this week, the first time he could play
would be December fourteenth against the Colts, the home game
they have. Then olu with Timmy came in and then
the first snap he had a snap infraction on what

(34:45):
was supposed to be a short yard He's push push
type of play with Barner was he picked the ball
up before he snapped it. That's a five yard penalty,
they went from the one yard line to the sixth.
Fortunately for the Seahawks, Ax Sharbonne ran right behind Oval
with Timmy in the next play. We saw Ola Timmy
fumble the snap. On the next drive, his third snap
mishandled snap with Sam Donald that cost him a turnover

(35:07):
and handed the Cardinals their first touchdown. But it bears
mentioning that on Zach Sarbone's six yard touchdown run after
the snap infraction by Olio Timmy, Ola Timmy spun and
buried the nose tackle put him on the ground on
a pancake block, and that's why Sharbonne ran into the
end zone for the touchdown. He ran right over him,
so it wasn't as if it was just a mess

(35:28):
for Olo Timmy. But in the center position, as we know,
if you don't get the snap of the quarterback, doesn't
matter what else you do.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
You have to get the snap to the quarterback.

Speaker 13 (35:38):
And Donald chocked it up and McDonald chucked it up
to not having a lot of reps at the center exchange.
Donald did say they tried as much as they could
once Sundale got hurt, of course, on the side to
try to Tabe some practice snaps, but suffice to say
he'll take a lot more snaps from old Timmy this
week than he did the first nine weeks combined.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
Uh, Pritchett did well in his time when he was
filling in for Job. Do you have any idea about
Job's status and does it matter necessarily considering how well
he played, No.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
It matters.

Speaker 13 (36:10):
Josh Job is great, He's great on the ball, and
he's a sure tackler. Nami Pritchett was the sixth defensive
backend dime, so he wasn't starting and getting the reps
that Josh Job would get if he comes back. Job
is still in the protocol, the concussion protocol, so that's
going to probably be the end of the week type
of thing. It'll go the way it went with Breke
Wollan when Woman had a concussion to missed the game.

(36:32):
He brought him back to practice in the middle of
the following week, tried to bring him back a second
consecutive day. It didn't go well. He fell behind in
the protocol, didn't have the baseline the test results closer
to his baseline like he was supposed to, and he
didn't play the following week. So that'll be Job's week
to see if he can get on the field and
then what his cognitive tests looked like compared to his

(36:52):
baseline test after he comes back to practice. Pritchett made
what McDonald said yesterday was one of the most amazing
plays on a ball. He's seen it cornerback ever and
on that end zone one and he was falling down.
The receiver had it and was right below me in
the press box. I thought it was a touchdown, but Joe,
while falling down, reached back and ripped the ball out

(37:13):
while they were both splayed on the ground, and that
play kept it from being a two score game with
about six minutes left. I mean, it was a blowout,
but it would have been a two score game if
Pritchett hadn't done that.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
So he's there any more.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Time, Oh yeah, yeah, phenomenal play. Phenomenal play from Pritchett.
Day on Sunday Onion.

Speaker 13 (37:33):
If they're going to go excuse me, I asked if
they were going to go more dying because of Pritchett,
and he goes, yeah, it makes me think we should.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Do more dime.

Speaker 13 (37:40):
When Pritchett's playing like this, McDonald has not been a
dime coach for most of his career here so far,
the first two seasons. But if Pritchett's playing like this,
you could see more. I think dyme would be more.
He'd be easier to do more dime if Ernest Jones
is on the field as the low linebackers Saturday someday.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
All right, last minute here, just curious. I mean another
coach I've fired yesterday in the National Football League. How
far away are we from Clint Kubiak rumors going to
considering the success that he's having with this offense this year.

Speaker 13 (38:11):
Yeah, I thought about that yesterday, Chuck, and I thought
it would be premature for me to ask McDonald about
Kubiak and the possibility of teams coming to interview him.
I will say this that, yes, if an offense has
success like this, that they get attention and the coordinator
to play caller gets attention for it, especially unexpected, somewhat
unexpected around the league that the Seahawks are having. I'll

(38:33):
also say this, Clint Kubiak is a great, great, meticulous
eaches guy and in the weeds and comfortable in that realm.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
He's not very dynamic.

Speaker 13 (38:46):
I don't know how and that's just not just with us.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
But I asked players as.

Speaker 13 (38:51):
He joked, as he laughed, and ye a little bit.
But this may be fullhearty me say, because I'm not
inside the meetings and whatnot. He doesn't strike me as
head coach material at this point. His career is what
I'm trying to say. He's really good at what he does, leading,
being a CEO of a team, being the front man, motivating,

(39:14):
standing up on a pedestal in the middle of the
locker room, were rawing them, we're cracking the whip, and
he had I don't I haven't been around him a ton,
but I.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Don't see that.

Speaker 13 (39:22):
He certainly has a pedigree and having been around football
his entire life because his dad was a quarterback in
the Broncos and then a coach for the Super Bowl Broncos.
But I don't see it yet. His name's gonna get flowed.
It probably already has been floated around in New York.
Of course, they're gonna float every name of any coach
who ever had a whistle after how sad the Giants
have been the last few years. Well, my honest, gut opinion,

(39:45):
without really having scientific evidence, is that he's not head
coach material at this point.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well he'll get yeah, he'll get mentioned.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Thank you, Sarah, We appreciate it. We will talk to
you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Happy Tuesday. Thank you, all right.

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it's out, so Gene acts surprised.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'll pretend that I'm shutting my eyes. I'm closing my ears.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
Right now, Chuck, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Good morning to you, Good morning, good morning everybody.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Great to have you with us. I want to bring
up something that we were just talking about, like a
couple of gambling scandals recently. And I know that we
h I didn't warn you that where I was going
to bring this up, but I just want I would
imagine getting having gotten to know Gene's sterotor. There is
nothing in the world that that would bother you more
than just anyone, even a rowdy fan, suggesting that you

(42:02):
weren't acting with integrity on the field with your calls
and that you were on the take. How much does
it bother you to hear that, not just about yourself,
but about all of your fellow officials. Is there anything
in the world that bothers you more than that accusation?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
No, probably not to be really serious about it, Chuck,
You know, I mean, unfortunately, there have been situations. There
was a very large one with an official actually in
the NBA while I was actively officiating in the NFL.
You know it is it is exactly what you just said. Yeah,
I do love these games. I'd love doing what I did.

(42:44):
I love the passion of sports. The integrity of the
game is really what I love the most. And that's why,
you know, I volunteered to assume the roles that I
was fortunate enough to have, because officiating is that projection
of integrity and keeping the game there that and then
when we have these blips and these human weaknesses or

(43:05):
whatever these situations.

Speaker 8 (43:07):
Create, now where.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
The conspiracy theorists have a precedent to say, see, I
told you so, the game suffers, and if it's a player,
if it's an official, if it's a coach, it really
doesn't matter, right, I mean, once those spots take place,
you've fueled the beast to say all of these crazy
things that are said because of a couple of bad apples, right,

(43:32):
and and they're they're serious. And look at the officiating
world NCAA. When I worked in college basketball, we had
a you know, a very large segment of our regional
clinic was about gambling, was about being approached or who
to speak to or what you think, maybe just a
normal conversation about, Hey, I saw you were at such
and such place last night and so and so it

(43:52):
looked like he was limping a little bit, did you
you know that? You know, you would think that would
be kind of normal airport, right, Wait, waiting for a
player conversation, It's not right. So you do live in
that world and you have to be aware of it.
And the National Football League, naturally is very adamant about
all of those.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
Types of things.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
When I actively officiated in the NFL, you were not
permitted in a casino period, full stop. That's it, and
never in a sports book emon in the off season.
Because of that, and you wear that as a badge
of honors. So, yes, it hurts. It hurts the games,
It hurts all of what we do. And you know, Chuck,
I do listen to you guys, not just on Tuesdays, you.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Know, but but but.

Speaker 8 (44:31):
Through the week. And what you had just said earlier
was right.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
The prop betting is it seems to me would be
more inviting, right to that person that may not want
to throw a game, you know, because of his feel
for the team and all of those other things. But
you know what I mean, Hey, what if I just
throw ball.

Speaker 8 (44:50):
Three or ball one here? I can make that back up.
It's not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
So it's opened up a window to maybe convince yourself
that I'm really not infecting the integrity of the game. Yeah,
I'm just playing with it a little bit. But I
can overcome that, you know. And I think we're in
a in a very delicate spot as a result of it.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Yeah, I just I just don't like the idea that
you've got a buddy that at some point in the
middle of the game, I'll blow two free throws. I'll
give you a wink when you've got the bed ind
you'll put your hat in your lap. I mean that
just is too dangerous. And you're right. I mean maybe
that's another element that you brought up that if you

(45:31):
think that I won't throw this from my teammates, but
no one will notice if I just make a little
money on the side. I think that's a phenomenal point.
All right, Well, let's get into some of the things
that happened over the weekend. We had a couple of
things in the Seahawks games that you were actually on
the broadcast for. So enjoyed hearing you on our Seahawks
broadcast this past weekend against the Cardinals. Sorry, not sorry,

(45:55):
we didn't give you a more competitive game to monitor
their gene.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
You know, though, it's good fun watching the team, guys.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I'm gonna be honest with you, man, the team is
really a good, solid football team. And I know what
the energy of the stadium brings when you're in that stadium,
and what the fan base really does do. And I
do think there's a couple points there here or there,
not for any gambling purposes, but just because of the
magnitude of the twelfth person and watching how they're executed,

(46:24):
how they're playing is a special thing, you know, And
you're up weeks every one, so it's a long season.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
But what a great football team.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Yeah, well they were back to back. They weren't back
to back plays, but we had twin plays that resulted
in a sack, fumble, touchdown. Tyresee Knight got both the
sacks and force fumbles. DeMarcus Lawrence got both the fumble
returns and the touchdowns. Number one, have you ever seen
that you ever seen two plays that similar from a

(46:52):
defense in a game? And then number two, you were
on the call. How close were either one of those
from being overturned?

Speaker 8 (47:00):
Close?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
And I think those plays and I do think replay,
And again I can harken back because I am that
long in the tooth when we did not have replay,
so when you were on the field, you were the
only person going to rule whether.

Speaker 8 (47:13):
The player was down or whether it was a fumble.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
And we used to have the phrase like you have
to sell the call right because it was so.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
Close and you wanted to get it right.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
And I do think that replay has allowed those plays
or officials to feel comfortable that, my gosh, that's just
so close.

Speaker 8 (47:29):
Just let it play right. And then we do look
and yeah, they're close plays.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They're really framed by frame plays about possession or loss
of and down by contact you and we're leading those
plays alone. Sometimes we leave someones that are a little
too easy to kind of stop and we don't. But
I do think replays helped that. And to answer the
first part of it, I have never seen one player
create the fumble the other scoop and score and then

(47:55):
to have it repeated. And you know, the chat GPT
I think is even confused out of the question because
I was we were talking about it in the studio like,
I don't I don't recall that ever happening, you know,
So a couple of one offs there, which is kind
of fun.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
Well, there was another thing in the Seattle game where
Jackson Smith and Jagbo was concussed and and he had
came out and yet hadn't gone through like the concussion protocol,
and the game was stopped and then all of a
sudden he tried to go back in there, like, no,
you got to go through the protocol. What is there
something is that on you guys, or is there a
specific concussion guy on the sidelines. How are you guys

(48:33):
supposed to make sure they go through whatever it is
they're supposed to follow through with.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Well, there's multiple layers, bucket. It's a great question. If
my memory serves me correctly. I do believe that one
of the players after the initial play there was a stoppage,
if I remember correctly, they took a defensive player out
for that, and I believe that those people. So, just
to give you a little background, yes, officials are asked
that if they see or they see something or look

(49:00):
in a player's helmet after a hit. A lot of
times it may not be the hit. It maybe the
head hitting off the turf, but if the proximity of
you being there, and you know, I'm not a doctor,
but if you feel like that player looks woozy or
just is stumbling something of that effect, something that would
be rather noticeable, right, and you're there to stop the game,
and he's going to be removed and checked, and in

(49:22):
this case, the defensive back that is stopped. They have
what they call an ATC spotter. I forget what the
letters are forgive me for that right at the moment,
but there is an individual in the stadium upstairs, rewinding
the players, looking at the plays, looking on the field
and if they happen to see something like that head
hit in a delayed reaction or a player stumbling after

(49:45):
that that wasn't caught, they wired downright to the officials
on the field, immediately stop the game. Stop the game,
they'll identify the player, and then that players removed.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
I know that happened with the defensive back.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
The Smith and Jibbet situation is, I don't know that
he played the next play, but then he came back
onto the field if I recall correctly, And then I
think the ATC spot recognized he was back on the field,
and it may have been them and looking at the
first player, the defensive player situation that they also were
looking at that play and thought, looks like Smith and

(50:17):
Jigger got a pretty good hit there as well. And
again I am speculating here, but I'm assuming that's what
may have occurred. And then and they stopped it and
asked him to take a walk into the tent and
go through the protocol as well.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Yeah, does the ATC, which I think is alcohol, tobacco
and concussions agents, they do they follow? Well, did they
follow JSN up and down the sin of since that
is their job? Do they make sure, they go through
the protocol and they oh no, no, no, no, that's
not thorough enough, and then they alert the official is

(50:51):
that they also monitor them once they're off the field,
I guess is the question?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Well, I think in this case, duck, he kind of
removed himself right strategy wise, or it was just a
substitution that took place after a big play. I don't
know that he was examined at that point. I know
he wasn't officially examined because he had not entered that tent.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
And then had that private moment with.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
The doctor's trainers or whomever is inside there. So my
assumption isn't And really maybe they were looking at the
sideline and seeing him on that sideline and then tying
that I don't know whatever he was doing over there
with that play, and felt like, you know what, we're
always airing on the side of safety when it comes
to these rightly, so, so that may have been going

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through their mind or maybe part of the observation prior
to stopping him.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Jeane's Territorius with Us a segment that brought to you
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Were you a two pump guy, did you subscribe? I
don't know if you know the connection with Rico Daudell
and the key and Peel Skip, but it's popped up

(51:58):
in the National Football and that officials only allow one
pump with the hips. Were you a one pump or
a two pump official?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Well, Chuck, I mean again, I'll plug myself in Paramount
Plus and CBS and everybody right now. But we have
a show now that streams on Paramount Plus and YouTube TV,
NFL Pregame or NFL Today Pregame, Paramount Plus. It's a
great show with Matt Ryan, Amanda, Cayl Long, Antonio Pierce.

Speaker 8 (52:33):
They do a great show.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And I actually went on the show this week because
it is a streaming show, Pregamer on ten a m Eastern,
and we talked about the pumpgate, yeah, and what is
allowed and look, I had full transparency and if those
want to pick on, we need to clicks on the streams.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
So I'm plugging. But we went back into the history.

Speaker 10 (52:53):
Of what could have been the beginnings of this and
believe it about Aaron Rodgers pulled a like a little
mini which would be the key in Peel third pump
kind of movement if you've watched the skit in twenty twenty,
and then we had a digs that pulled it off
I think in week eight, which.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Kind of caught like, oh is that what is that one?
And then we have moved forward as you you know,
so aptly described.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
And now we had to choreograph.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Fool key and peel skin and I thought it was
great when they interviewed the player and he really thought
the key and Peels ruling was like the NFL ruling,
like oh no, no, you're allowed to you know, just
not three.

Speaker 14 (53:30):
So yeah, but it does, you know, go back to
the no fun leg It falls in the sexual gester
category and.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
We can't even.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
Have a pump here. Guys don't even have money.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
But you're not allowed any pumping at all.

Speaker 14 (53:43):
And look when you got an older guy with a
bad back that if he had the pump three times
like that, what I don't know if I can get
three in and two if I had to throw my
back out, I got to call something on you.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And I'm jealous, you know, so, But yeah, I thought
it was enjoyable to watch.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Do you think they're do you think right now?

Speaker 6 (54:02):
I know that they created a you know, the idea of, hey,
let's kind of get some of the taunting out of it.
You know, there's there's a you'll see it a bount
once a week. It feels like somebody will do something
in a flaggerstone. Do you feel like it's working. They're
trying to get some of the taunting and increase the sportsmanship.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
It is buck and it's of an evolving scenario because
the generations just continue to get more creative, and you know,
like it or not, there's generational gaps. Some things that
are hot and new in the twenty year old world
a fifty five year old person may not be aware of, right,
but no, there's there's a constant movement through that, and

(54:39):
it's the dance that we don't want to be the
no fundle. There is entertainment now more with this. They
have become more flexible than when I started. But then
then there's also a platform and the respect of not
of all the viewers and the demographics of the viewers
that are watching. So sexual gestures, weapon things, brandishing, all
these things that have come about with this creativity of
the players and and what's hot and new in their

(55:02):
in their world, you've got to constantly evolve with that
and try to work in that balance where yes, this
is entertaining, but no, this is not a message we
want to send to the next generation.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Uh so it is.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
It is NonStop evolving, right, And I think this is
a good case of that. This is a real good
example of that.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Why why was Bradley Chubb flagged? I mean it made
Miami Dolphins fans pretty angry in the Bills game. That
didn't look very harmful at all. He was just kind
of walking away from a guy that he sacked and
did a little silly dance and got flagged. Was that
taking it too far? Or was that, in your opinion

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aggressive on Chubb's part.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I think that's where we get into, you know, everything's
not black and white, and what subjectivity is and what
did you interpret by the crawling over top of the
individual after the tackle and the proximity body parts stored
another body part? And I think that's what I'm assuming
that that's what they that's what they interpreted there. Yeah,

(56:06):
And I think in the book it does say by
the letter of the law, after taking a player down,
you roll off of them, because they don't want the
players standing over top of the opponents things of that nature.

Speaker 8 (56:17):
To me, Yeah, it happens quick.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I've seen a lot of players that go into the
commander crawl right after they make a big hit without
bodies underneath of him. They flagged it. And I think,
if I'm really, you know, refing that game and I
see it, it happen so quickly, I may have a quick
conversation with the individual and knows and preface it with
I know you didn't mean to do that or have
it look like that, but it could have looked like that,

(56:41):
So let's try to stay away from that move. But
that's my guess again, and I you know, some of
that speculation.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
You know what, I think I saw an edited version
somebody that tried to control the narrative because it looked
to me I only saw the part where he was
sort of dancing away from him. I didn't even see
the part where he was crawling over the top of him.
So yeah, now it makes a little more sense. It
probably just was a delayed flag in that situation. You
weren't happening to be on the Seahawks Super Bowl when

(57:09):
Doug Baldwin did his silly thing in thee.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
No, I missed that one was I was not part
of that. I was part of some of Marshawn's looks
of adjusting himself as he got to the one yard
line and would turn back to look.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
At the field though.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
So that was another creative play that started to happen, right,
I mean if we look back.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
In history, so yeah, how did you I don't recall
how you handled that? How did you handle that?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (57:38):
What's a fifteen young flag? Unsports?

Speaker 4 (57:40):
And I think that seems appropriate.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Probably a truckle very commercial because you're a human. You know,
you don't have to be you know, this old crotchety
guy all the time. I mean, it's a foul. And
then maybe we laughed when the cameras are.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
All right, Well, great stuff today. Thanks for zigging and
zagging with me through these topics today. Appreciate you, and
we'll do it again next week.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Thanks guys, have a great week, all right.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
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(58:32):
Appreciate Gene. He even was able to roll with us
on the Hinkle mccrinkleberry two pumps. I think Michael Bennett
brought that back for a little while there as well,
and he was doing that celebration dance after his sacks,
and I think he got flagged for it, if I
remember correctly. But I didn't realize no pumps was the rule.
You can't do one pump, forget the two pumps. It's

(58:55):
zero pump.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
They let them do like quarter pumps, maybe even half pumps,
quarter pumps maybe like uh well, no, don't don't do it.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
No.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Dalle was funny because he didn't pump at all. So
we gathered everybody around and he did the Hinkle mccrinkleberry
stance in the in the end zone. Everybody was looking
at him, and then he just ran off the field.
All right, Everett fits, you will join us here on
the other side. That's worthy. You know, a couple couple
pumps right there. Pump so we'll talk to the voice

(59:27):
next on kJ R.

Speaker 15 (59:28):
Here's Montour left side activates down the wall.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Montour back hand shot.

Speaker 15 (59:32):
Toward the goal, Everly swatted it ve Seattle back to
the line.

Speaker 12 (59:35):
Here's steven says, said stops turner.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Stevens said, point five left in the.

Speaker 11 (59:43):
Third Seattle kracking tie the game three.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Three late and period number three. Oh ever fits you
on the call, Saturday's unbelievable, come from behind wind for
the krack and we'll get into it here in a
moment with the voice himself Crack and Ticket Tuesday, though,
I want to let you know, if you're the tenth
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the man that made that call, Everett fits you, is
with us. How unbelievable was that finish?

Speaker 15 (01:00:26):
You know what I think? For where that game started
to where that game ended. I mean, typically after a
game like that, you're you start like that, You're hoping.
I hope they can hold on, Excuse me, I hope
they can find some kind of solace. But for them,
the battle back in the way that they did. That
was a hard fought earned win. I mean, they they

(01:00:50):
put they put a couple of really bad mistakes behind them.
From that second period. They got back to their game,
they got back to what made him successful, and they
were able to eat out two points.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
You've never called a goal with point five seconds left
in regulation.

Speaker 15 (01:01:08):
I honestly, I can honestly say, I'm pretty confident. I
don't think I have. I've called a game with five
seconds left. I've called a game, you know, obviously in
the final minute, but with point five seconds, yeah, left
on the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I mean, that was that was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Their last second shots in basketball. But then again, there's
not a guy standing in front of the goal. I mean,
there are walkoff homers in baseball, but there's no clock.
I mean, for the only thing better if it had
been tied and he did that, it was a walk off,
skate off goal, yeah, with point five seconds. But that's

(01:01:46):
insane to get that in there.

Speaker 15 (01:01:49):
I will say when I was in college, one of
my only ever basketball games that broadcast that I forget
who Bowling Green was playing, but I had a buzzer
eater and it sounded like Gus Johnson at the Indiana
Penn State game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Over the weekend.

Speaker 8 (01:02:07):
You know, oh, I was, I was a falsetto.

Speaker 15 (01:02:11):
I was screaming. I was a nineteen year old sophomore
losing my ever loving mind. I have no idea what
I even said.

Speaker 13 (01:02:20):
That.

Speaker 15 (01:02:21):
That's probably about it. My my best Gus Johnson when
I was and I was in college. That's as close
as I've ever come.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Unfortunately, Fit they couldn't follow that up the next night
when they when they went to Dallas, and and yet
it's still good game, competitive game. To me, it feels
like they're better. I don't know what the win loss
record is on h you know, back to back nights.
I know that last year, in the last couple of years,
they haven't had a very good record when it comes out,
but they look like they're more competitive even if they're playing,

(01:02:52):
you know, the night after they had just played.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Are you seeing the same thing or no?

Speaker 15 (01:02:56):
Yeah, we don't talk about the record. Bucky in the
end game two is of back to we we're gonna
talk record itself. No, it's it's been a while, but
I will say and al avert we're talking about this.
That was that was definitely the best effort, the best
game in game two of back to back that we've

(01:03:18):
seen in over a year. And and honestly, I think
Casey the Smith for Dallas, he just was on fire,
their goaltender, and the Kraken had every opportunity to score
goals in that game. They had thirty plus shots on goal.
They did everything right, but they ran into a hot goalie.
The effort was there, the compete level was there. You

(01:03:40):
didn't sense from the Seattle from both teams. Actually, because
Dallas also played on Saturday, you didn't sense any of
the fatigue that you might get in game two of
the back to back. Al even going so far as
to say, and I agree with him that it was
it had a very playoff like feel to it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
So you're right.

Speaker 15 (01:04:01):
I mean, this team has gotten much better in those situations.
This is only the second back to back this season.
They're gonna have eleven more, so they're gonna have plenty
more chances to get to get it. But for the record,
the Kraken are now oh and fourteen in their last

(01:04:21):
in game twos of back to back since last season,
so the record obviously is not good. But last night
was hands down, bar none. The best game two back
to back effort that we've seen in a year plus
for Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
The Voice Eric fits You is with us every Tuesday
at this time to talk some krack and hockey. The
team back in action tonight at home against the Columbus
Blue Jackets, coming off a couple memorable games over the weekend.
But Joey Decord placed on the IR. What I mean
and the NHL IR works a little different than others

(01:05:00):
people's eye are, so maybe explain the rules and just
how serious this is for the team's goalie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
So we haven't.

Speaker 15 (01:05:08):
We haven't gotten official word on Joey yet. Yes, when
you place when you place someone on IR, that means
they are out for at least four games. So it
sounds like he's eligible to return on Saturday. Now, we
don't know how severe the issue is. All that we
know is that he did not travel with the crack

(01:05:31):
into Saint Louis and Dallas. He's being evaluated for an
upper body injury. We're hoping to find out more morning.
Skate will be here about an hour and a half
or so and attentive teed, so we're hoping for an
update by then. If not, then before the game tonight. Hey,
you never know, right, things could be things could be great.

(01:05:52):
He could be out for the next two nights and
then and then we'll see him back this weekend. But
we've got nothing official yet. I will say that Matt
murmur and Pip Grubauer, I thought they they did a
very very good job in in coming in winning games
on Saturday for Grubauer and then keeping the Kraken in

(01:06:14):
the game the entire night for Murray on Sunday. And
for two goalies who have not played in two and
a half weeks, they've come in and relief. This is
their first true start since, you know, games four and
six of the season. So I think for Seattle, they
they've got two goalies who are capable of winning in

(01:06:36):
this league. We've seen it before. We all seen what
Grubauer can do. Matt Murray's won a couple of Cups.
He's trying to get back to a level that that
he was in his past career. He came in this
offseason in preseason and said this is the best that
he's felt in ten years. So you know, I know
the team is confident in both goalies that have you're
hoping for good news on Joey the court, but when

(01:06:57):
when you see ir he's at least gone for four
so that means he's out tonight, He's out on Thursday,
and then hopefully we see him back on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (01:07:07):
But we've got no official work yet.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
All Right, who's the what do we got to look
forward to to night against the Blue Jackets? I mean,
who's the guy that I need to be cheering against
or watching out for while and watching?

Speaker 15 (01:07:18):
I mean, Carill Martenko is a superstar that I don't
think a lot of folks give credit for because he
plays in Columbus. You know, he has all the tools
and all the intangibles of a great goal scorer, a
great playmaker in this league. He's on an eight game

(01:07:38):
point streak. He's got points in all but two games
this season for Columbus. They are coming off of a
very emotional overtime loss in Edmonton last night. They had
a four to two lead in the third and then
they ended up losing five to four on the road
last night in Edmonton. So they're coming in in game

(01:07:59):
two their back to back. Their number one goalie, Elvis
burs Linkins, is going to play tonight, so they saved
him for the second go back to back, So it's
not going to be easy. I think the Kraken though
they they've had Columbus's number. They've won five of their
last six, but their last meeting in Columbus last year
they lost six too.

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
So a lot of a lot of.

Speaker 15 (01:08:23):
I think defensive structure is going to have to be
applied here tonight again because Columbus is a team that
likes to push the pace.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
They like to rush up the ice, take a little
bit loose.

Speaker 15 (01:08:34):
A lot like San Jose, but they don't have I
think the same amount of skill and as San Jose has.
But this is going to be another game where the
kracking cannot afford to sit back defensively and get into
a track meet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
By the way, you handled the call perfectly, having never
been there before. That was an outstanding call. I didn't
mention that when we play. Thank you, yeah, perfect, perfect,
Thank you very much. Yeah yeah. All right, So well
tonight Columbus seven o'clock puck drops and Mike Betton on
the airwaves at six thirty. I'm assuming and we're ready

(01:09:08):
to go and get this thing back on the right track.

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
Correct, Yes, we are three game homestands starts tonight.

Speaker 15 (01:09:14):
We got Columbus tonight, Winnipeg on Thursday, another crack at
the San Jose Sharks on Saturday, and then they're out of.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Town for the next week.

Speaker 15 (01:09:24):
They go out east for Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh and the
New York Islanders next week. So three big games here
at home, and right now they're cracking, are sitting, you know, comfortably.
I shouldn't say comfortably. They're in a playoff spot. Yes,
it's only game sixteen, but I said this the other day,
and you're getting to a point now in the NHL
over the next four to five weeks that teams who

(01:09:47):
aren't in playoffs bots are going to have to start
going on these five, six, seven game runs. And if
you're like Seattle, if you can continue taking four of
every six points, if you can continue winning three out
of every five games, I think you're still gonna be
in a spot where you're competing, you know, for playoffs
and for seedings. So this next two weeks before Thanksgiving

(01:10:09):
are gonna be big for Seattle. Some good teams, some
decent travel as well.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
So I mean it's it's it's a pretty big stretch
coming up.

Speaker 7 (01:10:17):
For the cracking.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Yeah, holy parody. I mean what, You're in a division
of what eight teams and seven of them are five
hundred are better Columbus there? Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I was just like they drew it up.

Speaker 15 (01:10:28):
Who saw the Anaheim Ducks on a seven game winning
streak leading the division second place in the NHL? Right,
the Edmonton Oilers. They do this every single year where
they get off to a very slow start. They then
go on a ten, eleven, twelve game run and get
right back into it. But you're right, I mean you
got in the Pacific Division. Of the eight teams, seven

(01:10:50):
of them are within a point or two of the playoffs.
So this is this is the parody that I love
as a fan, as a broadcaster. It's nerve wracking because
you love to you know, beat up in the playoffs.
You know, you look at a lot of other sports
where these teams jump out to multi game leads and
then they hold on to it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
But not this year.

Speaker 15 (01:11:11):
It's every game of the battle and needs to be
needs to be won, especially this season.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
You the man, Thank you sir. We'll talk to you
next week, all right, fellas, Ashley, have a good one
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Isel is with us right here on Chuck and Buckome morning,
sirp Okay, gotten very shy since last Yeah he's not

(01:12:33):
usually shy. Yeah yeah, usually it's somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
Maybe he's just more soft spoken today.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
I didn't like. You can't hear him.

Speaker 15 (01:12:40):
I didn't hear anything at all.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Yeah, you're gonna have to speak up a little bit, coach,
So we'll say we work on that connection. I am
excited to hear from coach on a number of topics,
including the ones that we're wrestling with here in Seattle.
So we'll effort on trying to get a better connection
here with a coach new heel and get them all
the show for you. But yes, a lot of different

(01:13:04):
ground to cover. We just played the Jedfish audio from
his press conference and he's trying to sell that he
wants to be here. We've already kind of covered the
fact that it's unfortunate if that's not the case, or
if it is the case that he wants to be
here and yet he keeps getting dragged down. But I
guess that goes with I mean, you you didn't sort

(01:13:25):
of earn the reputation of jumping around a lot and
so we'll see how it goes from here. I think
we've got coach new isasa again. Coach you there, I
am here.

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
I'm sorry. All of a sudden, I was getting ready
to say how is everybody, and whammo, you were gone wow.
But you know, sometimes it goes like that. Ask the
poor Huskies in Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (01:13:48):
It didn't know well, but.

Speaker 7 (01:13:52):
Hey, they get to a tone. Here comes Purdue and
then UCLA and then the Ducks. What better way to
finish a year with the threesome right there? So see
if they can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
But to spend two weeks talking about the path is
there to make the playoff? I don't know if anybody
was going as far as predicting it around these yer parts,
but certainly we discussed the path being there, and then
for the door to get slammed like it did in Madison,
Wisconsin Saturday. I mean, how crushing is that to the

(01:14:26):
program to lose that football game.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
That's a tough one because, like you said, the games
they remember are played in November and have a chance
to play for the big prizes and really have an
excellent opportunity to do so so. But it's time to
dust yourself off pick yourself up and see if you
can't play your best football down the stretch. A ten

(01:14:51):
win season is still out there, and regardless of what
it means for postseason, a ten win season is a
hallmark that people pay attention to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
I mean, what is the re How does something like that?

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
I mean the defense, I think to some degree did
their part. They still gave up thirteen, but not I
mean it was a good it's the offense. I mean,
I was a step back from thinking this was the
best offense, their most explosive offense in college football, when
even when they were ranked there after a few games
end of the year. But they do have an explosive quarterback,
running back and a wide receiver too, and yet to

(01:15:28):
go out there and do what they did in Madison
was unexpected, to say the least.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
Yeah, and I think Jedwars go as far as say unacceptable. Right,
you have to now, this is a quality defense. Luke
Pickle's always going to have a good defense. They just
can't throw them. They just can't muster much in the
way of offense. And that was the case the other night.

(01:15:55):
They only had two hundred and five yards of offense.
So you have to manage this game differently. You have
to play knowing that this is going to be a
low scoring game, and you have to make sure that
you understand the value of possession and field position. Time
of possession is important. The Huskies only had the ball

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twenty eight minutes and thirty eight seconds. In that kind
of game, you have to understand, we're going to make
you go the long field. The fake punt was a
monumental play. You can't let them have that opportunity. Those
are the things that you just have to you have to.
It's like Oregon when they went to Iowa. Oregon knew

(01:16:36):
that they would have to play Iowa football in that
kind of environment, and they were able to do it
and came away with a victory eighteen to sixteen. That
isn't exactly the Star Wars version of Oregon football that
we've come to know and love. This was ground and pound,
and the Huskies, for whatever reason, didn't adapt like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
I know Luke Fickle's not had a great year there
in Madison, but I'll give him this. That guy is
impervious to weather conditions. He didn't look like he was
affected at all. I saw Mike Holgren's mustache freeze over
one time in a game in Wisconsin, and yet he
just like took he took the brunt of the storm
and acted like he was on the beach in Hawaii.

Speaker 8 (01:17:19):
That was.

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
He's an old nose guard. He doesn't look like he
was a nose guard, but he was a three hundred
and ten pound nose guard wow for the New Orleans Saints.
So that guy is rugged, no question about it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
He's on the Ed Cunningham diet. Remember Ed Cunningham the
first time I saw him after his playing days.

Speaker 13 (01:17:37):
I do, well.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
I want to talk about Washington a little bit. I mean,
we had a big story here, a lot of rumors,
a lot of smoke, a lot of coaching vacancies, and
we happen to have a head coach that hops around
a lot. And Jed fish Well, yesterday at the podium,
he was his most adamant that he wasn't going anywhere.
I feel bad for him if that's not true, because

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I do believe that it is affecting the program and
maybe his locker room as well. But on the other hand,
I mean, he did sort of earn his reputation as
moving around a lot, and I guess that goes with
the territory. What's your take on the entire situation.

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
I only know what my conversations have been with Jed.
I haven't talked to him during the season, but I
certainly talked to him in the preseason, having gotten to
go over there and watch the guy's practice. He loves Washington,
he loves it.

Speaker 13 (01:18:28):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:18:29):
I know there's a big story out there about his
family not being in Seattle. I know his daughter wanted
to finish school in Tucson, and so they're back in
Tucson letting her have this high school year there. And
I can totally understand that. I hope folks can understand
it as well. But his belief in the Husky program

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was sincere when he talked about it to me. I
also understand that his alma mater is open. You know,
the alma mater alama on deal, right, So as soon
as your alma mater is open, everything's you're going there.
And if you're at your alma mater, everybody wants you
to stay there because you might be getting like clerk
Lee at Vanderbilt, right, you've got to So there's all

(01:19:14):
this kind of tension about it. But I believe that
Jet is happy. That doesn't mean I know that Jet
is staying, but I do know that Jet is happy
in Seattle.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Yeah, how the idea of I mean, I think you
dub is a legitimate, you know, college program, and a
lot of people would love to have this job and
stick with this job. I also think that it was
somewhat understandable.

Speaker 7 (01:19:39):
And Bucky, he's getting paid legitimate college money, right, He's
getting paid seven and a half million bucks. That's the
hell of a deal.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Yeah, and yeah, I mean I I it was understandable
to me when Kaitlyn de Bor has the opportunity to
go to Alabama, because that's just a different beast, right,
And maybe there's a few other that are in that program.
And yet if there's a second tier of blue bloods,
I think you us in there. Where do you think
you dubbed stacks up? I mean, because I think that
everybody over there would hate for nothing more than to

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be considered a stepping stone to some bigger program.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
I had a really good job at Colorado and maybe
the top one or two recruiting class going. And when
I came to Washington and talked to Barbara Hedges back
then and thought about what I knew about Washington, having
played against him at uc from my vantage point at
UCLA and having seen that crowd and knowing what Don

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James was able to build there. Washington's a premier job,
a premier job, and because the fans are premier fans,
they get behind the program. And I believe that Jed
understands that the only job that I think he would consider,
he's not going to consider UCLA. He might use it

(01:20:57):
for leverage, but the only job he would consider it
would be the Florida job because it's his alma mater.
That would be the only one. And I'm not sure
that they have any other name than Lane Kippen on
their list right now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
So.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
I wouldn't worry. I just know that how I felt
about Washington, it is premiere.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
And then summer Rick.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
New Isolda is with us. So we got a lot
of other ground to cover here on this Tuesday. But
one more question about the dogs. Do we have to
worry about two and eight perdue? Based on the way
that the team Playeds last.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
Saturday, they're pesky, but I think that there's enough pride
in the Husky locker room and I would guess that
there's enough pride in the Husky locker room, especially on
the offensive side, to atone for what was not a
good enough performance last week. And I would expect that
they'd come out and play their tails off. And by
the way, on the subject of the Husky game, my

(01:21:52):
team from two thousand, the Rose Bowl champions, are going
to get honored this weekend and I, unfortunately I'm not
going to be able to be there, but I want
to give a shout out to the two thousand Rose
Bowl champs and all the kids that I had the
great privilege to coach, and the coaches that will be there.

(01:22:12):
I just want you guys to know I'll be thinking
about you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, minute, that's not good enough.
You've got a helicopter drop in surprise, don't you that's.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
What you're going I wished I did. I you know,
I got to work, I got to pay bills.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
They're going to roll a cake out there in the
middle of the field and you're going to jump out
of it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:34):
You don't know how hard I pushed for this game too.
I was trying to get it to be the Ohio
State game because they told me they were going to
do that this year, and I was hoping that CBS
would send us out right, but the CBS crew were
always already sending out the NFL guys on a remote.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
And then I was trying to make it the Oregon
game at the end so that maybe we could come
out and so forth. But it just didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Man, you got to get here.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
You know what your son looks, I could your son
looks just like you, So you know, you can just
put your son on CBS and then you can show
up from there.

Speaker 8 (01:23:10):
He might rather than go to Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
He might rather Rick new Isle is with us. Right
here are College Football Insider and his segment, of course,
brought to you by Taco Time. All right, so what
are your expectations for tonight's college football playoff rankings? How
much shakeup are you anticipating?

Speaker 7 (01:23:33):
Yeah, I don't see a whole bunch. Obviously, the a
ACC took some shrapnel last week with Virginia losing, Louisville losing,
and even Duke losing at Connecticut even though it wasn't
a conference game. So that's a for sure deal that
they're only going to get one team in. I think

(01:23:53):
the Texas Tech victory for over by you will obviously
help them'll move ahead of BYU, but it'll with Utah
being there and BYU's victory over Utah, I think they'll
still be very comfortable to get two teams in. Notre
Dame obviously needs to keep plotting away. That was an

(01:24:14):
impressive win over Navy in terrible conditions, and now they
get pit. I don't see much in the way. I
think you will see Texas A and M go ahead
of Indiana and be the number two team in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Yeah, I'm expected Texas to make its debut tonight and
then I don't know who gets that twelve feet is
it James Madison?

Speaker 8 (01:24:34):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Are they the top? Aide?

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
There's a lot of publicity coming out from the American
Conference about strength to schedule and who they're really playing
and so forth. Because of all the teams at the
top of that American there are I think four or
five teams with one loss in the Americans. East Carolina
is in that number, North Texas is in that number,

(01:25:00):
and then South Florida and Navy played this week. So
lots to happen in the always exciting American Conference.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
All right, Well, let's talk about some of these games
this week in very interesting schedule this weekend. I know
I asked you last week in any chance the Navy
can knock off Notre Dame and you said no, and
you were right. Any chance Pitt can knock off Notre Dame?

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Yes, Pitt.

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
Pat Nardoozi is a terrific defensive coach, and terrific defensive
coaches can't be that unless they can stop the run.
So I think Pat Nardoozi and company can get Notre
Dame's running game keral. That doesn't mean extinguish it, but
they can corral it. And if they can, then it
becomes a CJ car game. And we'll wait and see

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which are the two freshman quarterbacks first year quarterbacks here,
Mason Heinschel will have the better game since they put
Mason Heinschel in the game. Pitt has not lost. They've
been outstanding. And the two losses that they do have
on their schedule, they had seventeen point or ten point
lead against West Virginia, seventeen point lead against Louisville and

(01:26:13):
lost both those games because of turnovers. So Pitt's dangerous
this week, no question about it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Good I want them to be really dangerous this week.
All right, So I don't like that Texas and Oklahoma
are in the SEC. I still wish Texas was in
the Southwest Conference and Oklahoma was in the Big Eight,
to be honest with you, but they did get They
are giving us a blue blood bath this weekend. I
mean to have Oklahoma and Alabama and Texas versus Georgia

(01:26:42):
on the same day. My goodness. It's not the SEC
football that I'm familiar with, and yet that's certainly two
really fascinating blue blood matchups right there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:54):
Incredible blue blood matchups. And for the boys that are
coming from the Big twelve, there must wins.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
If they find ways to.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
Win both at Georgia and at Alabama, they'll be right
back in that College football playoff. They're sitting right off
the right off the line of demarcation there because an
ACC team and a Group of five team have to
be in there. They were ranked eleven and twelve last week,
so they are right on the cusp of getting there,

(01:27:26):
and these would be signature wins. Neither of them can
really afford a loss, given that they fought both lost twice. Oklahoma,
of course, having one of those losses against Texas just
behind Texas, but both have stalwart defenses and these are
going to be great games.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
USC is coming off a nice win over Northwestern. They've
got Oregon looming though. Is this a trap game against Iowa?
I mean, normally trap games aren't against ranked opponents who
are coming off a pretty solid effort against Oregon. But nonetheless,
so are they going to be looking ahead to the Ducks.

Speaker 7 (01:28:03):
If this game were in Kinnick Stadium, I would be
taking Iowa all day long. But because it's in the coliseum,
I think se will have enough in their offense. They
handled Michigan, which is, you know, pretty stout defense at home.
I think that they'll handle business against Iowa.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
All right, do you have a Taco Time Pick of
the week for us?

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
You just nailed it. I was going to take the Trojans. Okay,
I was going to take the Trojans. I think they're
a six and a half point favorite. I just think
that based on you know, McKay Lemon, Jakobe Lane and
Jade and Mayava, those three guys, plus a running game
that's been pretty consistent, more consistent than any other year

(01:28:51):
previous with Lincoln Riley, as the head coach. I think
they can handle Iowa and will do so comfortably.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
All Right, very good Taco Time pick of the week.
And I still got a couple of minutes, so I
get to actually ask you about the mess at LSU
before we get done here. So are they really trying
to back out of owing Brian Kelly the money that
they so proudly we're willing to eat?

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
This is the new game.

Speaker 7 (01:29:18):
This is the new game because of this, you know,
giant contracts. What happens now is they hire private investigators
to basically look into the life of the head coach,
and they're trying to find some dirt thing that qualifies
under that could get you out. I mean, you imagine

(01:29:42):
like putting pictures down of somebody's personal life and saying, hey,
you've got to take this money or we're going to
out these pictures. And it's disgusting. No one put a
gun to the h and set up for Kelly this
much did, but they did. And and the fact that

(01:30:06):
the guy wants the month, I mean, he didn't want
to be fired.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, just stay there.

Speaker 7 (01:30:13):
But the fact that they would fight him love is
disgusting and unfortunate. But it's it's the sign of the times.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
Well, for no other reason, we got to get our
arms around this, because we just can't let this keep
de evolving. You know, this this sort of activity. So
oh man, these are ripples I did not see coming
on this pond. So coach, thank you. We appreciate your
great stuff. I hope you can somehow swing it, maybe

(01:30:42):
clone yourself between now and Saturday, so you can get
out here to get on ORed alongside your team.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
It would be a treat to be back in Husky Stadium.
But those boys will they'll cherish the memories. They'll chaerish
the memories.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
All right, thanks coach Rick new iiel joining us his
segment brought to you by Taco Time. I was gonna
try to make you feel like your radio was going
nuts and do one of these things like coming back
a moment, bucking and I but no, that was not
your radio. Some of them was going along with his phone.

(01:31:18):
But he was talking about some really interesting stuff and
it was the last question of the segment, so I
was trying to push through there.

Speaker 8 (01:31:26):
We did.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
We got through it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
You got the gist of what he was saying.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
I think is doing that. Yeah, I think you got
the gist.

Speaker 9 (01:31:33):
The gist was gotten, yep, right, it's already been burtten alright.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Coming up next, the old Judge stops by and man,
do we have a bone or two to pick with him?
On kJ R is now in the court room fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
fIF It's quite a family, quite a lineage, I.

Speaker 6 (01:31:52):
Mean by people before me or having more babies, right, yes,
in order for me to keep getting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Further down the line. Correct. Okay, wait, good on you, Grandpa.
I think I said fifty fifth every time? Oh is
it every single time?

Speaker 15 (01:32:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Definitely, maah, pretty consistent with that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
He thinks he said fifty fifth every time?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
You saw that?

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
A Yeah, it goes all the way back to your
Scandinavian roots. The Cornhole legacy is it's long, quiet, strong, Yeah,
it's deep. A lot of Vikings named cornhole.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Oh that's what you think.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
Well, maybe not in their native tongue. It was like horn, yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
a lot of them named hornhung.

Speaker 15 (01:32:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
So anyway, we're very impressed with your lineage. Or by
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dot Com. All right, this is how the old Judge works.
Once week, the old Judge comes into our studios with
his big giant gabble. Uh, and I bring up a
few subjects so that Ashley and I discuss. Once the
Judge has hurt enough of our nonsense, he slams his
gabble gabble gabble, and then he sets the record straight.
And it does become official in the annals of history,

(01:33:23):
does it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Though?

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
It is officially spoken in the annals of history?

Speaker 16 (01:33:29):
Okay, that's true. Okay, yeah, it is officially. It has
been said, right, it's been there. Whatever you say will
be said said. Someone will have heard it, right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Good point there. All right, Well let's get into it.
I got a pretty lengthy list here today in the courtroom.
Dan Wilson will and should win the American League Manager
of the Year award tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
I'm sorry, Dan, but no and no.

Speaker 9 (01:33:58):
I I I am not as down on Dan Wilson
as some people I will say, but that would be
hard to do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
But I I do not think.

Speaker 9 (01:34:11):
I do think there was still enough questions and enough
question marks that we had this season that there's room
for improvement. And I wouldn't put him as the top
of the American League.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
I mean he's the only manager I watched manage every
game this year, but I had enough problems with him
that here, even in Seattle. I don't think that he should.
I think it should be Alex Cora, who's not even
a finalist. And I also don't think that he will.
I think John Schneider will win.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
Me Cavill Gavel, No, I don't think he's going to win.
And as much as I would like to say I
think he should, I just I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna attempt to try to
dissect it down because I can't dissect John Schneider and
Steven Vote the way that I can dissect him.

Speaker 8 (01:35:03):
Was he perfect?

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
Nope, not even close to it. Is there things that
I disagree with, sure, but I think he did a
really good job. I mean, he did end up taking
this team that they had to stick around before the
trade deadline, moves. They had to be within it to
where the organization wanted to go for it. And so
he did a darn good job basically from starting to
finish of putting these guys in a position to where
they would go make moves, and then when they did,

(01:35:26):
we were as close to get into a World Series
as possible. That said, I just I give the nod
to John Schneider because of the well documented overhaul of
what they did as far as their offensive production, how
they went about having better at bats, and we watched
it for seven games against US and seven games against
the Dodgers as well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
So to me, i'd give it to John Schneider a.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Lot of games against the Yankees, though, because the Yankees sucked.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Speaking of John Schneider, John Schneider and Mike McDonald AFL's
Hottest Coach GM combo. Right now, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
It's hard to see who might be well Philadelphia.

Speaker 9 (01:36:13):
Yeah, I'd say right now in this moment, especially recency bias,
two blowout wins, you made a trade just to amp
up an already good looking offense. You've got a very
strong defense. It looks right now like you are pulling
all the right strings. So in this very moment. Yes,
they are the hottest duo.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
I agree with you, They're not the best, They're not
the most accomplished, certainly, but man, this feels like a
marriage made in heaven. John's coming off maybe his best
draft that he's ever had, seemed to push all the
right buttons took a year for he and Mike to
get on the same page on the type of personnel
that Mike needed to run the program as he saw

(01:36:52):
it in his brilliant, weird genius mind of his, and
even guys I said this Monday, Ty Okadau and Drake
Thomas like John's in this position now, It's like even
when I just pick off a couple scrubs, you've turned
them into something good.

Speaker 15 (01:37:09):
YEP.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
So I think they're magical right now. I don't think
they're the best, but I do think they are the.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Hottes Cavel Cavil. It's hard to argue with them not
being the hottest. I mean to me, if you're talking
about the hottest, you're talking about temperature right now. Well,
I mean they've in the last couple few weeks have
jumped from a team that maybe going into the season
is like I think this team might be pretty good.
Like what they saw at a defense. We'll see what
Sam Donald's all about. Well, the idea to move on

(01:37:39):
from who they had at quarterback before to Sam Donald.
Combine that with the defense that still looks like it's
growing and flourishing. It doesn't feel like it's capped out
by any stretch. They played a bunch of this season
without all their players, for crying out loud, and so yeah,
I think that there's a They probably are. They've climbed
up to the top of the power ranking, so I
think that that's an entire organation thing. I think Mike

(01:38:01):
McDonald was recognized as a defensive guru, I mean, a
mastermind at that side, and now it's coming to fruition.
You're seeing that it that's not false. So that's John
Schneider good good choice on picking him and then pulling
all the strings that they've pulled and bringing in the
most important position and looking like an upgrade in Sam Donald,
who's playing like an MVP as of late anyways, most

(01:38:24):
of the season. Anyways, Yeah, I think they probably are
the hottest. Good job judge.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
That take was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Sizzling.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
That's right. The Bengals should just set Joe Burrow at
this point for the rest of a lost season and
start fresh in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
No, and I don't think that Joe Burrow wants them
to just sit him.

Speaker 9 (01:38:44):
I mean, he said he's been trying everything to get
his toe back to being okay and being ready to play.
And I don't think there's especially right now. I don't
think their season is lost yet. Now, if they lose
the next two games leading up to Thanksgiving, well then
maybe you're looking at trying to give him a little
bit more time to be healthy and not push it,
because the last thing you want is a set back.
But right now, two weeks to go till he thinks

(01:39:06):
he's coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
No, I'm with you. I'm with you one hundred percent.
And then I would just add something to it. I
think Joe Burrow needs to freaking play some football. Is
this going to happen every year with you? Dude? And
by the way, this whole brave I stay in the
pocket and take hits. It's stupid. Yeah, get rid of
the damn football because you can't withstand the punishment that

(01:39:29):
you are willingly taking on the football field. Talk to
Tom Brady in the offseason on how to get rid
of the football because your team needs you, Gavel, Gavel, Gavel.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
I think for sure they should allow him to come
back if he's ready to come back, because of the
division they play, and the leader in that division right
now is the Steelers, and they're five and four, so
there are two games ahead of them, so it's right
there now. I think that the Ravens are getting healthy,
and the Ravens are probably the team to beat in
that division, but all kinds of crazy things can happen.
You got a whole second half the season to play,

(01:40:00):
and their best chance is to have him at the helm.
But I like your point there, that little added thing where, yeah,
it's good for you. I like being I like guys
that are tough. They're standing willing to stand there and
throw when they're looking down the barrel at a at
a pass rusher coming at them. A the same time,
you got to protect yourself. It's like, you know, your
availability is one of your best best abilities, and he

(01:40:23):
hasn't been very available.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Having every year to him, and it's just like he
wears this badge of honor of like I'll take the hit.

Speaker 9 (01:40:29):
Well, you're stupid, Yeah, no one's ever questioned his toughness,
that's for sure. But you know at some point it
is going to catch up with you.

Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Finally, it is perfectly awesome that somebody may or may
not have had his or her first cup of holiday
eggnog last night on November tenth. Cavel, cavel, cavel, cavel.
Hell no, wait a minute, we didn't even get that answer.

Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
Yeah, it thrown out a court bring nonsense.

Speaker 13 (01:41:00):
Audio.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Bet it was delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
I bet it was fire in the fireplace, or at
least you had one on in your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
I bet there was.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
I bet there was see way to soak it all.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
And I bet, dumb, gavel, I bet it was so good,
dumb that this person had a second come.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
God, this person might be my new hero.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
And this person didn't even put alcohol in it. Oh wow,
wait till the alcohol. That's going to cavel gavel.

Speaker 6 (01:41:29):
Okay, you're onto something that you did put alcohol to,
just have the festive drink with no alcohol?

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
Pretty delicious contempt. Contempt, Maggie.

Speaker 9 (01:41:39):
I mean this person, Yeah, this person might need to
take how to upgrade this supposed enough?

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
Well, now I get to do I mean, this person
gets to do it again in another time, the right way.
Guilty of premature celebration. Guilty. This person's got a huge heart.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
I think that's that having that nog, that's equivalent of
three pumps.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Well done, alright, One last things Next Sports Radio ninety
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