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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Some time.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good morning, class leads and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Inducing six one guard from Brighton, Illinois and former high
school basketball stand What the hell.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Does that mean? Don't jumped any conclusions. No, not a god,
You've got to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just
openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Now there's been a noticeable spike here your blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champion.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan, brought to you by to Lada Casino Resort
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never stopped there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Well, good Wednesday morning to you.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Welcome into the radio show that people call Chuck and
Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety three point three
KJR FM. The good people, the good people of Seattle
and beyond. They call it Chuck and Buck in the Morning,
so you can't stop them from doing it. Really, my
name is Chuck Powell. Bucky Jacobson is here, Ashley Ryan
as well. Happy hump Day to you all. That's right,

(01:33):
we've made it to Wednesday here of this week, and
hump Day is the day worth celebrating, worth getting ready
for the biggest Seahawks game of the year, which is
coming up this Sunday against the Los Angeles Rams, and
we certainly will spend a lot of time on it.
Maybe not to start the show, but we will spend
a devote a lot of time to it. Here on

(01:55):
today's program. Let's check the health and wealth of the
members of the program. How's your knee better? Better?

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Still gimping around a little bit. I guess it's part
of the process. Talk to the folks over there at
Pinnacle yesterday and there, yep, yeah, we shot you with
a little more ozone. I think it's different than the
thing that keeps some of the sun's bad rays out.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I don't think it is nailed yesterday.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
I think that's correct.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
They grabbed some of that and shot at my knee.

Speaker 7 (02:21):
Well because already so they're like, well, we don't need
this anymore because we're going to make a fake ozone.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
So let's figure out a use for the one we've got,
and you.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Should probably not use hairspray anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
You probably please not aerosol.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
It'll deteriorate the shot your knee.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well, good thing is it's been a minute since I've
used hairspray, so yeah, it's been a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
Yeah, Well you spend around cows with gas though, because
that can also.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Be oh oh yeah cows. Yeah. Uh well, at least
it's the ozone layer that was put into your knee,
not the marine layer. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to
do anything very heavy.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Everything would be would fall short.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Everything would bog down.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, in your life, but then I'd be on par
with a lot of other people. I'd have something to
complain about when it comes to marine.

Speaker 7 (03:10):
There, you reached moments where you thought you were going
to hit peak excitement, but then right before it nothing. Oh.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't know what they're down. I don't know what
they're doing with medicine these days. But man, if they
shot the atmosphere into your knee, no under, it hurts.
Yeah right, Yeah, there's a lot to shoot in there.
It feels like they may be shot too much in there.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
It's a lot for you to take on.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, but you know as yes, it's so what doesn't
kill you makes you stronger, So I'm hoping it makes
me stronger.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
You're not any normal person.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
I'm not exactly, not your run of the mill.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's exactly right. So keep it coming, keep on your
keep it coming, ozone.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Keep on keeping on.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Can't bring our guy down no matter how hard you
uh well, astulely. Both your knees are all right, feeling.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah, they're both there. They're both ozone free. And I
did not one.

Speaker 8 (03:59):
No.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
I double checked too, because when I hopped out of
bed this morning and I was like, wait a minute, why.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Did I put my pants on one leg at a time?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
I was like, are they both there?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Few they are, okay.

Speaker 9 (04:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I don't know about you, but I am one of
those that refuses to put my pants on one leg
at a time, So I jump into them just so
people can't say that I do.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah, that you're not like everyone exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm better than that.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I right now barely put my pants on. That's another story.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
And are they shorts?

Speaker 9 (04:27):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Now, I kind of want to know what that story.
Do you have somebody else that puts your pants on
for you.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
No, it's just right now. Because my knee doesn't bend, gotch,
it's very hard to get them on. Okay, so I
have to like lassle it around my left. You have
a Belgian mallin wall. They're very smart. You're probably a
good teacher how to put your pants on?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Pants on? Great?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
I try to teach my dog.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
You'd just go stand on the pants and roll around
and make me scratch his belly.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
All right, Well, good morning to you. Welcome into our silliness.
It is Chuck Buck and Ashley with you here on
this Wednesday. And yes, I know a lot of people
have Seahawks on the brain, and we're gonna talk a
lot of Seahawks football today, get ready for the biggest
game of the year on a hump day to date anyway,
But I think we haven't talked. We haven't led with
baseball in a while since you know what happened. And

(05:17):
I think maybe this is worth leading with because there's
a topic here that I've been trying to get into
with Bucky and we just haven't had time to do it.
We've rushed through it a couple of times. But I
do believe that there's a topic here that yesterday's news
will lead us into. But let us start with yesterday's news.
Dan Wilson did not win American League Manager of the
Year last night. He ended up finishing third in the voting.

(05:41):
Steven Vote won the vote and for the second year
in a row, and then second place went to John
Schneider and Dan finished third. And I think that I
think I think Dan, deep in his heart, kind of likes.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
That that's that's good.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
My first year as a manager, and I finished third
manager of the year voting, So I think that that's
an accomplishment in and of itself. I didn't expect him
to win the award. I don't think any of us
expected him to win the award, But not bad for
your first time out third place finish. At least those
nationally that write about baseball for a living are recognizing

(06:16):
that you did some good things this year. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think it was about where it
probably should be. Where I think there was what five
folks that ended up getting votes. Obviously there was only
the three that were in the finals, and I think
that Dan probably deserved to be third. Where I mean
I was thinking more so Schneider. But I have a
hard time not putting personal what I've seen, and I've

(06:38):
seen more. I saw more of the Blue Jays. It
was in the postseason. I know that's after the fact,
but the fact that they had more games. I was
thinking that's where the voters would land, they had won
more regular season games. But then you try to put
all the other stuff into the mix that they're probably
thinking about or should be thinking about, which what'd you
do and what you go through and all of the

(07:00):
stuff that vote went through from you know, losing your
closer and they traded bieber away when he was getting
ready to be healthy to the Toronto Blue Jays, and
then the comeback that they had at the end of
the year to come up and sniper their division I
think was impressive and so I mean, very deserving. I

(07:21):
wouldn't have been mad if anybody had wonted, right, It's
not like no, our guy was clear cut the guy
that should have won, period, Like I think about another award,
but I do think that it was kudos to him. Yeah,
first year as a full time manager, and you did
some good things and it was recognized.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
It really is, and I think it needs to be
pointed out, it really is an exercise, and you brought
this up yesterday. I think it's a great point is
that I probably am holding. I mean, if anybody thought, oh,
Seattle's going to back Seattle, right. I didn't give Dan
Wilson very high grades this year, not for his ex
as and O's, but I think I went out of
my way to say how valuable he is in many

(07:56):
other areas as a manager to this baseball team, which
we're going to get into here in a moment. But
so I didn't have him winning. I wouldn't even have
named him Top three, frankly, but I did watch so
much more on almost every decision that Dan Wilson made,
and so maybe where Bucky saw the overexposure, saw all

(08:20):
the good things in Dan and never got to see
them in the other candidates, I might have saw more
failures that Dan from Dan's perspective, and maybe I held
that against him. So really it does come down to this.
It's a it's it's baseball riders from across your league
who see you for a handful of games, and what

(08:43):
the award Manager of the Year comes down to is
who they believe as a collective got the most out
of their team based off of the talent that they
were given by management and ownership, and then hurdles they
overcame during the course of the year to achieve whatever

(09:03):
it is that they achieved. And so I think a
lot of people saw the Seattle Mariners as being a
good team going into the year with a chance at
winning the division. The fact that they won the division,
I think nationally, Dan Wilson got some credit for that,
and maybe a little bit of credit that he didn't
quite deserve, because I don't think that they overachieved as

(09:26):
a baseball team under his guidance this year, where I
think maybe Toronto did. I think maybe Alex Cora and
Steven Vote overcame a lot of hurdles that maybe Dan
didn't have to overcome. And I think that that's why
I would probably personally lean toward those guys, even though
I didn't watch the manage nearly as much as what
I did Dan Wilson this year. And so I think

(09:47):
that's what the national collective is telling you is that
here's Steven Vote, who operates with a much smaller payroll
than the other winners in Major League Baseball. He overcame
obstacles like a gambling scandal and everything else. This year,
he dragged his team out of the depths of despair
and rallied to chase down the Detroit Tigers and win
the division. Again. He gets my vote. Now, there was

(10:09):
also part of that is his team couldn't score a
run for a month and a half. There's a reason
why they dug a hole for themselves. And it wasn't
just because Emmanuel Classe likes to throw pitches, and I
mean throw pitches in another sense. And also the Tigers
did all of them a lot of favors by crumbling
and falling apart themselves, which Cleveland had nothing to do with.

(10:30):
But I don't have a problem with him winning the award.
I do recognize the hurdles that he overcame, and I
think that he is an excellent young manager and he's
only forty one and he's already won Ashley back to
back Manager of the Year wars.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, he definitely is deserving.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
I did hear an argument though today that was like, well,
could a manager or should somebody win Manager of the
Year twice in a row, because when you think about that,
you did enough to win it last year. That means
you've got a pretty good situation going now right where
your season's leaving on because you just went Manager of
the Year. So you guys are in a good situation.
Then you come back, well, now if you do it

(11:05):
all over again, were you really worthy of Manager.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Of the Year?

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Which I could understand that argument just looking at it,
but looking at his situation and as you mentioned, the
things he actually had to go through, it wasn't like
he just started off with the same team he had
last year and went through the season and had success.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I actually like that about what the vote went. That
voters didn't use that against Steven vote. I think that
happens far too frequently. I don't think I mean, Phil
Jackson hardly ever got recognized as in the postseason awards
because you've got Michael Jordan. That's not now. Phil Jackson
was masterful and should have won five, six, seven Coach

(11:40):
of the Year awards. Joe Tory should have won Manager
of the Year awards. I mean he had to manage
a Rod and Jeter and all of these huge personalities
in one year after year. I think I think that
sometimes these voters put hurdles in front of them, like like, well,
they have too much going for them, or he won

(12:00):
it last year, we got to go with somebody else
this year. I wish they wouldn't do that. So that
was actually the one thing that I liked about the
vote last night. Both American League and National League Managers
of the Year repeated last night, and I like that
the voters didn't let get in the way. I voted
for him last year, I can't possibly vote for him
this year. No, do you believe he was the best manager?

(12:21):
Do you believe he got the most out of his team?
And if you think it's the same damn guy, then
vote for the same damn guy.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean I can see that. To me, it'd
be like, I mean, the full extent of that where
Ashley's talking about, would be like, what would you feel
like if they gave Dave Roberts the Manager of the
Year considering how stacked that team is, right, It'd be like,
come on right? Yeah, So that's the full extent or
the extreme on that side. On the other side, it's

(12:49):
I think part of what goes into it when you're
talking about what do they have and what did he do?
What did he make with what he had? I think
part of that goes into Okay, well, how much money
do they spend?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Where are they at when it comes to that. That's
where if I do think of the Mariners, where I
don't think they overachieved necessarily. I don't necessarily think they
underachieved simply because if you look at what achieved, yeah,
they achieved. They they did what I thought that they
were going to do. I mean, maybe they were a
few games short of whatever my prediction was, but I'm
pretty optimistic when it comes to picking. I think ninety

(13:21):
four wins or something that I said for them, but
they're right there and yet to me, it's like, when
you look at this roster, I don't think of it
as as low as what the actual pay is, simply
because you have a bunch of guys pitching staff in particular,
that are pitching like twenty million dollars a year, thirty
forty million dollars a year pitchers, and yet they're not
making that money yet, you know. So to me, that's

(13:42):
us knowing the roster. Whereas you know when it comes
to Cleveland, and Cleveland's down there, I mean, they're way
towards the bottom of what they spend on their roster
and yet to go out there and find a way
after you dug yourself a hole, you dug yourself the hole.
I mean, you didn't play well, and Detroit played exceptionally well,
but when they crumbled down the stretch, you did everything

(14:04):
you needed to do at that point in time. And
that's getting hot at the right time. Like we talked
about a little bit yesterday in regards to the NFL,
I think there's something that the manager has about that
has to do with that. Like, hey, guys, look how
far behind we are right now, fifteen games or whatever
it was. We're fifteen games back of these guys. It
doesn't matter. Let's go win today and make it fourteen.
Let's go win today and make it thirteen and just
take care of your own business. And I think that

(14:25):
he's I mean, to be two years into your managing
career and you've been the manager year twice, there's something
to that. I mean, he's good at what he does.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I just to clarify that, Dave Roberts,
I don't think they overachieved. I think they underachieved during
the regular season. A roster that good and you didn't
win one hundred and ten games.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean they didn't even get a bye in the
first round for goodness sake. So no Dave Roberts. But
I'm my point about that is, I don't think you
get eliminated just because people think you have the best talent.
I mean, the year Phil Jackson and the Bulls went
what seventy three and nine or whatever, Yeah, maybe he
did some good things that and shouldn't be eliminated from
the conversation. Well, we've done it to ourselves again. We've

(15:07):
spent fifteen minutes on this topic. It ran out of
the times that I wanted to discuss this other topic
that I've been dying to talk about. And so I'll
just say briefly that I think what you are seeing
because we've had a really curious manager hiring cycle in
Major League Baseball. Some guys that weren't on the radar period.

(15:28):
A college coach with zero professional coaching experience has been
hired a relief pitcher. I mean, there's not a manager
in Major League Baseball right now who was a major
league pitcher until Craig Stammon got hired by the Padres,
and he wasn't even a start. Can you imagine as
weird as as relief pitchers are handing over the reins

(15:50):
to your team to a relief pitcher and recently retired
like played last year. Can you imagine thinking that a
relief pitcher, one year removed from the is ready to
be a manager of a Major League Baseball team.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
He just has must be, must have been that leader
in the clubhouse, which usually it's not a relief pitcher.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Usually a relief pitcher.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
I mean, it's it's you know, you can come in
all different walks and shapes and sizes. It typically is
a guy like catcher. There's a reason why. Yeah, probably
five or six of the guys that were up for
the Manager of the Year were former catchers, as they
just they tend to gravitate towards that the general I
run this thing. Relief pitchers typically don't. They might be
the gesture over in the corner.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
What I thought of as the guys that play grab
ass in the bullpen the whole game and don't even
pay attention until it's their time to stretch, right, you know.
And so for I mean, it's it's been a bizarre
Major League Baseball managerial cycle and The only thing that
I can take from it that tries to explain it
is I think. I mean, we see trends all the time,

(16:49):
hiring trends, particularly owners, general managers. They see something that's
working and they want to copy that. And I think
what you are seeing right now in Major League Baseball,
and maybe we're seeing it and in the NFL, maybe
we're seeing it at the college level. Maybe it's the
reason Brian Dayball and his old school I yell at
my quarterback tactics just expired this week in the middle

(17:11):
of the season. And I think it's not that today's
young players. I don't want to call them soft. I
don't think they respond. And maybe this is the right
way to go. Maybe this is evolution. Maybe we were
silly for liking that Lou Holtz grabbed face masks or
ed chef made you box your your third baseman before practice.

(17:32):
You know, maybe that was stupid and we've held on
to that stuff for way too long, thinking that's how
you get the most out of young people. You've got
to be authoritative. Maybe this is the right way to go.
And it's not that Dan Wilson or Steven vote coddle
players or are soft with players or are too gentle

(17:54):
with players. But I do believe today's young athlete does
respond to hard tactics, and so that's why Kevin cites
her and we always do his voice in that soft,
loving way that he speaks to everyone. Probably worked really
well with this team. Maybe he didn't have revolutionary ideas

(18:15):
for hitting. Maybe he just had a way to approach
players that they responded well to, and so they absorbed
more of what he was teaching them. I think that's
where we're at right now. I don't think Brian Kelly
works right now in college football that hard disciplinarian that

(18:35):
yells at players on the field and then trashes them
in post game press conferences. Dan Wilson is a shining
example of you can be a little old school, but
you better figure out how to communicate with young athletes today,
young men today who really don't respond to that hard
hand tactic that you and I grew up with.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean you're essentially if you're a coach kind
of a doctor, and if any doctor goes out there
and just treats every patient exactly the same, I go, oh,
you have a cold, then here's something that cures cancer,
you know, No, you have to treat them differently. And
I think that that's one thing the old school. If
there was a mistake with old school, and I think
there's something about toughening people up, because then when the

(19:18):
pressure is the there's the most pressure, the toughness will
come up, it'll rise to the surface. That said, you
can't nowadays, you most certainly can't just be all old
school hard knows, you know. But at the same time,
I think there's certain people that will respond better to
being coach hard. And there most certainly is a lot
of players now that want to be you know, delivered

(19:41):
to them in.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
A soft way. Well, you got and you've got to
play to the majority. Now, yeah, yeah, you gant it
just because you got one or two guys that want
to be coached hard. You can't get a coach who
coaches hard. Hopefully he's able to do that too.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Coach most coach those that are soft softly you know,
and or you know, I mean, just give it to
him in a softer way. And then when there's somebody
that you know, they respond with the light of fire
under that's you should be able to do that as well.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I'll say this about Dan Wilson. Even though I didn't
agree with a lot of his ex'es and o's this year,
I know that he excels in that area. I know
that he excels in that area. And that's why you
get to the end of a season where everybody's bashing
the manager for the decision that they feel cost them
the World Series, and Jerry Depoto speaks to the press

(20:27):
and says he's our guy, and you don't understand how
much he's loved in that locker room. He's not going anywhere.
That's why, because Dan Wilson has that part of managing
in the year twenty twenty five down cold. All right,
let's find out what's on tap, Chuck and buy what's
on TEP. What's on tep?

Speaker 6 (20:47):
All right, Sally?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
On award tonight, Derek Scouobel is expected to win it
on the American League side, maybe a little more interesting
on the n L side, And of course we're all
building up to Thursday to find out finally if cal
Rawley's going to win the American League MVP over Aaron Judge. Also,
Andy McKay, by the way, left the organization for the Mariners.

(21:08):
He's kind of their psychology development guy over there, assistant
general manager, and apparently Cleveland really liked what he was
doing with the Mariners and lured him away. I don't
know any more about this other than Andy McKay's not
going to be around anymore. Columbus two to one winners
over Cracking in a shootout, Crack and lose another shootout,

(21:30):
another overtime game. Yeah, they're getting points regularly, but two
points are better. They will play Thursday at home against
Winnipeg Alciniski'll join us today at nine to thirty. College
basketball Coogs Huskies will meet Friday night and Pullman. Last night,
the Zags a very impressive win, nineteenth ranked over number

(21:52):
twenty three Creighton. Ninety to sixty three was the final score.
The Zags ran him out of the gym. College football
Huskies will host Perdue this Saturday. Cam Cleveland will join
us as he does every Wednesday, at eight o'clock. We'll
get his thoughts on Jed Fish and many other things.
College football playoff rankings came out last night. We'll discuss
it thoroughly coming up here at six forty five. No

(22:13):
time to get into the details right now, but yes,
new rankings are out and there was some shakeup, and
of course it is hump day, and so we start
really focusing on the next Seahawks opponent, the Rams, and
coming up on the other side, we will discuss, speaking
of coaches, this fascinating coaching matchup McDonald versus McVeigh. Oh,

(22:34):
it's gonna be McGray. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Bet Man, this is a different cat right here. This
thing is huge. I mean for middle of the season
and we're still in the middle portion of the season.
To have this big of a game, this hyped of
a game. We talked a little bit yesterday about I
hope that the Seahawks aren't peaking too soon in the season,

(22:58):
but this is gonna be like heak regular season, you know,
euphoria when it comes to getting ready for a game.
This is a monster, a monster taking on the Rams
on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Well, yeah, both are playing well, both have good records.
You have a tight division right where there's basically three
out of the four teams are still in it. For
the most part. You can't really count out anybody because
considering how many games are left. But I think you
can pretty much count Arizona out and so yeah, you're
sitting there like, okay, not very often in what are

(23:30):
we week eleven, week twelve, week eleven, I get it
mixed up because college whatever.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
But well as we're seven to twos and we had
to buy so a week.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
So week eleven. Yeah, so it's uh, you know, at
this point in the season, you don't typically have a
game where you're like, boy, the difference between winning it
and losing it is so drastic, right, I mean now
it's still is going to be You're still gonna be
within one game if you lose, and vice a versa.
But it's it's not the end of the world. Yeah,
it feels big. It feels like they're a whole heck

(24:00):
of a lot more hanging in the balance than just
your typical run of the mill regular season game, even
the run of the mill regular season you know, divisional game.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't think the division is on the line
this Sunday. It's just, man, you just in terms of
a regular season matchup, a divisional matchup. I mean, these
feel like two runaway trains right now when it comes
to momentum or in this case mcmentum with McDonald versus
McVeigh even. I mean to think about how good we're

(24:30):
going and they're going just as well. Yeah, think about
how good we're going right now here in Seattle and
the Rams are like, well, they're going just as well.
So I don't know what you're bragging about. We got
same record. We're dominating teams as of late. So that's
even the MC quarterbacks. I mean, it's Stafford versus Donald.
I mean, Stafford and Sam Darnald are getting MVP consideration

(24:53):
halfway through the year. Stafford's considered the favorite in a
lot of circles, with Sam right there nipping at his heels.
The mcdefense both top five. Both are top five, and
the Rams defense is better than our defense. Statistically, we're fifth,
their second. They allow only seventeen points per game. So
isn't it interesting that most people are expecting a high

(25:16):
scoring game on Sunday when you have two top five
defenses in the National Football League. But there's a reason
for it because both mcoffenses are both top five. That's right.
We're third thirty and a half points per game. Who
saw that coming? The Rams are fifth twenty eight points
per game. And I think it all comes down to

(25:37):
the mc coaches. I mean, this is McVeigh versus McDonald.
This is the biggest storyline. I think this is the
absolute headline topic heading into this week. And it goes
back to when Mike McDonald was hired, and Hugh Millen's
analysis immediately was, we are in a division with arguably

(26:00):
two of the best offensive minds, if not the best
offensive mines in the game right now, and Shanahan and McVeigh.
So if you're John Schneider and you're moving on from
Pete Carroll, what's your move? Do you try to get
Ben Johnson or the next offensive mine that can hang
with these two Because by the way, they're both very
young still, especially McVeigh mcveigh's thirty nine, McDonald's thirty eight.

(26:25):
Think about how young Mike McDonald is and new to
this job, and Sean McVay feels like he's been around forever.
He's only a year older. So they're not going anywhere
unless they just decide I have enough money and it's
too much stress, I'm gonna go raise children and have
an ant farm. I don't see that coming. And so
they're not going anywhere anytime soon. And so Hugh talked

(26:47):
about like this. Mike McDonald hire is John Schneider saying,
if I got to go up against two offensive geniuses
four times every single season, then I want the ultimate
counter chess move. Give me the next defensive genius. And
he hired Mike McDonald, and here we go first year.
That year. You know, Mike McDonald's just getting used to

(27:08):
being a head coach. Now he's really sinking his teeth
the end of the position. And believe me, Sean McVay
and Kyle Shanahan know they've got their work cut out for.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Them when they face Mike McDonald. Yeah, the idea of
these two teams, you're right. I mean, I think beginning
of the season, right, if we didn't have we don't
have a crystal ball. If you just think about McVeigh,
he's known for the offensive genius that he is, right,
he's known for the fact that he does things that
seem really hard to figure out, and even though people

(27:38):
maybe start to figure out some of his tendencies, he
keeps coming up with ways to keep it new, keep
it fresh, keep being right there. As far as winning
the division and doing some damage in the playoffs, and
yet to some degree, they're the stamp right now on
them is their defense, Like you said that, like, right now,
we're happy about our defense. I think the give up

(28:00):
nineteen points a game or something like that. They give
up seventeen points of games. And some of that is okay,
who have you played? But it were far enough into
the season that it's enough of a sample size. And
on the flip side of it, you think about, you know,
the Seahawks and McDonald you're like, pooh, this defense something.
And yet the biggest surprise or the thing that is
the most pleasant around here. Yeah, the defense is amazing,

(28:22):
but boy, this offense. Look at how potent this offense
can be. And and they so. To me, it's there's storylines,
the obvious storylines, and then really the further you dig
into it, there there's even more intriguing storylines.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh it's Mike fascinating.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Yeah, And everybody is putting out you know, their NFL
power rankings, and we were number one last week.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Well now they've got the Rams number one and us
number two.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
There. Oh that's mc trash talk. That is y that
is and you know what I think is the most
encouraging thing about this when and trying to figure out
because this has been such a fun season. The team
seems to be on a roll. We're all convinced that
John Schneider just had a grand Slam, not just a
home run, but a grand slam with his head coaching

(29:06):
higher controversially as it was, I mean, because it didn't
look like Pete Carroll was ready to be fired, and
yet he made the move and brings in young Mike
McDonald And now it just doesn't it doesn't look like
it could have made a better choice at this point.
But think about what you said about the Rams. Sean
mcvay's kind of become a full service head coach. Now

(29:27):
he's got enough skin in the game. He's won a
super Bowl championship. I mean, it really does feel like,
at age thirty nine, he's got it all figured out.
I mean, we're going against a titan in this National
Football League. We might be facing the best head coach
in the game right now in Sean McVay. If not
Andy Reid, it's probably Sean McVay. But doesn't it make

(29:49):
sense that if you are an offensive genius, that you
really have to really understand defense too.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, doesn't that make sense?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I Bill Belichick was a defensive genius. But when the
Patriots were going well, I mean he was really hands
on with the offense. He flipped over to the other
side and kind of unlocked their offense as well. And
So for Sean mcgay to get to the point at
age thirty nine, I mean, how many how many years?
Ten years already when was he hired? Fourteen Doogie howser basically,

(30:22):
So he's now to the point where it's like, there's
really not a flaw in his game. I think that
he's more hands on with personnel decisions all of that stuff,
and he's really got it down. But Mike McDonald, here
he is in his second year and after John Schneider
fumbled around with a few of the personnel decisions that
he was finally midway through the season last year brave

(30:43):
enough to say this isn't working. Get me this kind
of guy. And now here you are on the offensive
side of the ball one year with Ryan Grubb, he's
not working. Get me this kind of guy. For Mike
McDonald to already be aware enough on both both sides
of the ball of what he needs to have the
team that he wants, my goodness, I mean Sean McVay

(31:07):
got there within five six seven years, even though he'd
won a Super Bowl, it took him like five six
seven years to be a full service head coach. Do
we really have a guy that's figured it out in
a year and a half, like everything about the organization?
Do we have that advanced of a head coach? Oh,
it's exciting, It is mic exciting, exciting, Yeah, exciting. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
The I mean the idea of running a roster as
big as an NFL roster and all of the things
that go into it, right, I mean, the lights aren't
brighter for any type of person at the helm of
any team. Right, we're just talking about the manager of
the year. There's not even he pales in comparison to
what you have to do, the things you have to
have your fingerprints on. And yet I think that's a

(31:50):
perfect point that you just made of If you're going
to be an offensive mastermind, you better damn well understand
everything about defenses. Now, you maybe don't wake up in
the middle of the night with some defensive play that
you scribble on a scratch pad on your night stand
like a defensive minded guy, and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I bet you he does now, yeah, and yet that that's.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
One of those to think that Mike McDonald doesn't understand
exactly what offenses in today's game are trying to do.
How are they're trying to, you know, pass, and then
when they're going to be what their tendencies are as
far as just across the board, not individual teams, but
across the board now is third and six. Of course
that's a passing, but does this team do that? Do
they pass short and then get yards after gets? All

(32:33):
of that stuff goes into making you somebody that could
be called a mastermind or a defensive gurus is being
able to understand the other side.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
I mean, I think there's only three coaches that have
been in their spots longer than McVeigh has. Tomlin, Andy
Reid and John Harbaugh are the only three I think
that have been in their spots longer than he has.
And he's thirty nine. Yeah, but I mean it's I
think for sure that he figured it out and now

(33:02):
all of a sudden he's a well rounded guy that
has his fingerprints all over that organization and has a
Super Bowl to show for it, And yet it doesn't
feel like our coach is any different as far as
the trajectory that he's possibly going to go on.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Get your mc popcorn, McReady. I mean it's going down
on Sunday. Coming up next College Football Playoff Rankings, Week
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Back in resetting bits Doud couldn't pick it up.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Here comes Bart Tenko down the right side, suits off
the cross bar.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Oh my goodness, what chaos and to end here.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Midway through period one, looks back of the near side,
Sinery passing front.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
It's mart Sanko point play man.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Matt Murray SUTs it down.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Ben Byers gets most for Winter Tens.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Winter is coming, racking Revan, so the hands it off
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Speaker 3 (34:13):
Fan Telly shot.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
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Speaker 3 (34:17):
Murray and they score.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
Fan Tilly gets by back hand ex same by Matt Murray.

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Coyle picks up the pucket. They'll bring it near side
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The bar, he scores and the Columbus Blue Jackets take
the extra point in the shootout final to one.

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chill headlines though, and we will start with Major League Baseball.
Dan Wilson did not win the American League Manager of
the Year award last night. He ended up finishing third
Stephen Vote and Pat Murphy won the award in their
respective conferences. For these or leagues, I should say for
the second consecutive year that's never happened before. Cy Young

(35:47):
Award will be given out tonight. The MVP will be
known on Thursday evening. Will cal Rawley win the award?
Columbus I just mentioned it two to one winners over
the Kraken in a shootout last night. The next up
for the crack and they'll take on Winnipeg Thursday. Al
Koniski will join us at nine to thirty. College Basketball,

(36:07):
we count down the days till the Coobs and the
Huskies meet each other on the hardwood. That'll be this
Friday night in Pullman. Meanwhile, the Zags with an impressive
early win in the season ninety to sixty three over
ranked Creighton last night. College football Huskies will host Perdue
on Saturday. Cam Cleveland will join us to talk about
it at eight o'clock. And the brand new college football

(36:28):
Playoff rankings came out last night. No shakeup at the top. Texas,
South Florida, and Miami are all newly in according to
the committee at this point in the season. But we're
going to talk some NFL because it is a huge
week for the Seahawks. They faced the Rams on Sunday
and it's time to chat with our Seahawks insider. All right,

(36:48):
so here we go, humpday Seahawks Rams. We were talking
at six thirty about this fascinating head coaching matchup Mike
McDonald versus Sean McVeigh. How fascinating does a Seahawks inside
er find this matchup?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, this is where it starts, and there's gonna be
a lot of chess moving and strategizing and showing off
coaching acumen. On the field, You're gonna see a lot
of probably new things. Both coaches are gonna throw stuff
at the other guy that they haven't seen yet. It
would not surprise me if the Seahawks have been working

(37:25):
a little bit each week on this game plan. They'll
never admit that, but putting in a little play here,
play there, we're gonna use this againt the Rams in a
couple of weeks type of stuff. They want McVeigh to
see things. Defensively, McDonald wants them to see stuff that
he hasn't seen on film from the Seahawks, and one
of them could be blitzing. We've talked about how they

(37:48):
haven't blitzed as much as they thought they were going to,
as much as McDonald designed him to blitz this year,
mainly because witherspoon't even Warry haven't played together a lot. Well,
now they're back and that gives him a lot more
and the options to blitz from the back. And then
the question becomes do they have to If the front
forces as successful as it has been in pressuring the quarterback,

(38:11):
and especially now Matthew Stafford, who is a little bit
more like Jakobe Brissett than like Tiler Murray or Lamar Jackson,
then the Seahawks will get He's getting a McDonald basically
is getting away without blitzing and keeping six and seven
in the back to cover as long as this front
four can continue to gain pressure and affect the quarterback.

(38:34):
And to me, that's a real key on Sunday. Stafford
gets it that quick. He's pretty veteran at reading pass
russ and blitzes and avoiding sacks. But can the front
four for Seattle affect Stafford, who's playing on MVP level?
Can he affect them like they've affected most other quarterbacks?

Speaker 4 (38:54):
How about on the other side of that, because the
Rams defenses is right up there with the Seahawks, maybe
even better in a lot of statistical categories. And so
how is the offensive line? Are they going to be
able to continue to be as good as they have
been up to this point against that defense?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Well, that's the question, Bucky. Is this for real? I mean,
you look at the teams the Seahawks have beaten. It's
the Steelers and the Saints, and the Jaguars, and the
Texans and the Cardinals twice and the Commanders, who are broken.
They haven't beaten the top seven NFC team, a playoff team,
yet they lost the forty nine Ers we know, at home,

(39:31):
and that's the only team with even a shot at
the playoffs that they've come even close to being so far.
So who are they? It's the offensive line going to
play at a level that will compete for NFC West championship.
That's with the Rams and the forty nine Ers. And
we've been talking about it forever since the spring. Everything

(39:53):
they've done, everything, bringing in Kobiak, who they start on
the offensive line, bring signing Sam Darnold, play action passes,
running the balls offense at everything, they've done since the
end of January at the end of last season has
been to beat the Rams in the forty nine ers.
And here you go. It's great. They're seven too, but

(40:14):
they ain't done nothing yet. Honestly, they've got to beat
the Rams at forty nine ers to win the division.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Greg mell let's with us our Seahawks insider joints nearly
every day here on the program. You can follow him
at gmail, Seattle there on x and of course the
Newstribune dot com for complete coverage of your Seattle Seahawks
year round at Thenewstribune dot com. Ernest Jones obviously wants
to get on the field to face his former team,
the Rams, and Mike McDonald obviously wants him on the

(40:42):
field to face the Rams. So how are they going
to make that happen?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, I think if Jones has a pulse in his
breathing Sunday morning, he's playing. Yesterday, he said, he posted
on his social media account of video of a rap
video of a guy that was dead and coming back
from the dead. And I had to consult my twenty
two year old son, the vet I wrote about yesterday

(41:06):
who exactly that was? Insider Yeah, he's my hip hop
insider compared to me anyway. Yeah, he Duke Deuce, the
guy coming up from the dead. So yeah, that was
a strong indication that he's telling the world I'm playing
after missing the game last week with the knee injury,

(41:27):
and of course he's playing, And of course that was
probably part of the calculus last week. Let's hold you out,
see if we can get through this Arizona game with that.
You haven't play, so you'll be ready for the Rams,
and he will play on Sunday. I had no doubt
in my mind.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Any other updates, I mean, Tory Horton or is Sundale.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Sundale's out right, Yes, he's.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Gonna miss multiple games. According to Mike McDonald, he's a
candidate perhaps for injured reserve.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Is that? I mean, how concerning is that? I mean,
to go to Ola with Timmy's such a big game,
I mean, I would think that it wouldn't rock the
boat that you have to replace your center. I mean,
injuries are part of the game, but I mean, how
big of a drop off are we talking from Sundell
to Olawa Timmy? When Ola Timmy at the beginning of

(42:16):
the training camp looked like he was supposed to be
the favorite. I mean, you kept telling us it was
going to be Sindell, but he was supposed to be.
He was the guy that was written in on all
the depth charts on all the websites. I'll tell you
that much.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh well, those websites they know, but no they ola.
Timmy was the starting center of the first week of
training camp. He got the number one reps. But it
was quickly, Sundel. I mean it didn't take pretty long
at all. It isn't It does matter because one, you
have to snap the ball to the quarterback cleanly, and

(42:49):
he didn't do that a couple of times when he
came in. I know, he just came in a cold,
hadn't played all season. And yes, Seahawks are banking on
batpying the reason that he messed up a couple but
more than that, at the center, of course, he's the
traffic cop and all of that, and that has not
been old with Timmy's stay. He's been good at that.
He's very good at mastering protection calls and the knowing

(43:13):
the offense. And now he's been in it for coupanies.
It's not so much that it's don't get beat up
the middle on pass rush, I mean run play pass play.
If you have penetration from the A gap or the
B gap, you're done. The quarterback can't get rid of
the ball quickly that it's the quickest pass to the
quarterback right. If the nose tackle defensive tackle is in

(43:33):
on your quarterback, that means he got there pretty quickly.
That means you're center failed and the play will fail.
At the center fails, Hugh talks about it all the time.
If you have interior pressure from a defensive tackle up
the middle in your air B gap, a quarterback, there's
not too many options for him to get the ball
to the hot receiver. It's either gonna get a thrown
away or a stack or worse, a turnover. So that's

(43:55):
the problem, is not so much the operation, the all
all the things the center has to do pre snap
and recognize it. Oh, Timmy's been good at that and
they've never had a problem with him doing that. The
physicality of stopping premier defensive tackles, that's the issue. And
if he was able to do that better than Snelli

(44:15):
would have been starting back in July. And he's not
and that's the problems un there.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Do the Rams have the x'es and o's or the
Jimmies and Joe's to be able to stop Jackson, Smith
and jig because nobody really has been able to do
that so far.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, that's a good question, and that's if you're LA
and you're looking at how to beat the Seahawks. That's
where it starts. Couldn't they do what nobody else has
been able to do? And it would start with affecting
the quarterback so that Smith and Jigga can't run as
long as routes as he's been able to a lot
of Smiths and Jigbas catches. Bucky have been later in place,
second and third reads, long breaking outside routes. I keep

(44:53):
thinking of the Houston fourth and one play when they're
an eighteen yard out route. Those type of plays they
take time, and that takes longer than one point five
seconds for the quarterback to hold the ball. Can the
Rams force the ball out from Sam Donald before Smith
and Jiggman is running eighteen yard outs or long crossers
or deep posts, those type of plays that he's been

(45:17):
so good at, the reason why Donald leads the league
in yards per past attempt and the reason why the
yard by far Smith and Jingger leads the league in
yards per reception is that he's able to have time
to get open. In the NFL, if you don't make
the quarterback decide quickly, the receivers are going to get open.
The rules are made that way, and by and large,

(45:40):
that's what Seattle's offensive line in the play action pass
game has done for Donald, afforded him longer times for
Smith and Jiggby to get open. Can the Rams it
keeps souding a broken record affecting the quarterback. That's the
name of the game in twenty twenties. Can you make
the quarterback get the ball out before he wants to,
before the receivers have made the routes, before the windows

(46:01):
become open, before the receivers finally become open, because the
rules will make it that way. That's the key to
every game. But can the Rams do that? And in
the last few years the answer has been yes. No
matter who the quarterback for Seattle is, no matter who
the center for Seattle is, no matter who Aaron Donald's
on a retirement counch, doesn't matter. They have been able

(46:22):
to beat the offensive line for Seattle, the Rams have
dominated them on the line of scrimmage, which is why
the Seahawks haven't run the division in many years.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Well, I don't know if it's change. Yeah, I don't
know if it's pre read or if it's play calling
or whatever the case may be. But Donald and JSN
seem to be sharing the same brain. Like when it
requires to get rid of the ball quickly, it seems
like they have the right play to get him the
ball in space, and he's he's unstoppable.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
He has been so far. Yeah, and you're right, it
doesn't matter what the coverage has been. And we've talked
about this. They people teams have stated safeties, bracket covers,
flat out double teams at times, esecially in the red zone.
The s Fiel gets shorter, teams have just put two
guys on him, like high school basketball style box and
one or just shadow two dudes on Smith and Jewey.

(47:10):
He still makes catches that way. Yeah, you're right. And
if quarterbacks sees that on film and sees it in
practice and does it in the games when the heat's on,
if he's a time it again, that's gonna be his default.
He's trusting Smith and Jigman to be open at all
times in all coverages.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
In our last couple of minutes, I want to ask
about their wide receivers because they kind of have two
of them that are elite and DeVante Adams and Puka Nikua.
So I would I mean, we don't know about Adams oblique.
I guess there's a chance he might not play this week.
But let's assume they're both gonna play. I mean, who's
the other you know, Witherspoon's going to be on one side.

(47:49):
Who's the other guy? Are there? Are we gonna trust me,
trusting Rieke Wooland to cover one of these two dudes
consistently on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It may be Josh Jones concussion. We'll find out more
this week and then how far long he is in
the protocol and if he can respond to increased activity,
and I've talked about that the other day, and if not,
it will be Reek. Wollen just had two really good games.
I wrote about that yesterday for the News Tribune about
how the last two weeks he's really been good on
playing the ball in the air. A couple plays in

(48:18):
the Arizona, including against Trey McBride, in the end zone.

Speaker 9 (48:21):
I mean McBride.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Nobody could stop McBride on Sunday he had nine catches,
one hundred and twenty six yards and a touchdown. And
there's a Reek Wolan in the third quarter jumping with
the tight end and basically two hands slammed, dunking the
ball back toward the quarterback and the end zone for
a pass breakup? Can he do that?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
At?

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Devonte Adams has something of a career resurgence under McVeigh.
As he often does with receivers, he makes them look
pretty good. And yes, that will probably be where the
ball goes. Teams again schematically go away from Devin Witherspoon,
and so I would expect that's where the ball goes
often every time they play, though it's guys like Higbee

(49:02):
and Kyron Williams and some running back we never heard
of in the past. Game right screen passes and third
down plays to the tight end. This team goes a
lot of two and even three tight ends. Remember we
talked about how much Seattle was going two and three
tight ends earlier this season. When the Rams are doing
it even more than the Seahawks lately, thirteen personnel with
three tight ends and they throw out of it. So

(49:25):
while the wide receivers get the attention, and the coup
op rightly so gets a huge amount of attention. McVeigh
kills the Seahawks with screens and throws the tight ends,
and you can bet the Seahawks are working a lot
on that because they've had issues catching guys catch excuse me,
tackles after the catch on those type of plays all
season and mcvay's goally use a ton of them someday.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Well, I don't know if it's a Mom's chicken super
recipe or not, but you sounded terrible three days ago.
You sounded like you were better yesterday, and now it
sounds like you're taking like a half step back today.
What's going on? Are you just not the following mom orders?
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Thanks for tracking myself because i haven't slept in three nights.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Oh no, the.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Cough and yeah, oh wow, she's awakened. I've been sleeping
on the couch and it's a head cold. But and
I'm fine during the day when I'm standing up right now,
so I'm going to sleep. Everything is in my head
and thrown.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
And I've heard of you put onions in your in
some socks and sleep with that.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Wow. Never, honestly, I never thought of that. I don't
know why I never thought of that. It might have
a lot of good vics on the feet.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
There's a lot of things that happened through the feet.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
That's that's uh, I guess.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
So you're live out in the wood, you put tree
sap on your feet to tell me some of these
other rhythms. I'll take any remedy at this point.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I'm telling you do the onions, just cut slightly. You
don't put like the round. You got to cut it
into a slice and then put it on your feet
and put a sock over it.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I might be confusing this with another remedy, but I
also think if you wear garlic or around your neck,
that keeps vampire. That's right. I was confusing those two, yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Because I was like, oh, I've got a garlic's necklace
in my backpack. If I on the way home, well
feel better?

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Do you know how touch the hamlet. We're spending a
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Speaker 3 (51:21):
We got to get your better. We got a round
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we got to get you better.

Speaker 9 (51:26):
Yeah, you might get.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
A B minus game tomorrow. I'm hoping to be closer
to B plus.

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Thank you. I'll be there all right, We'll feel better.
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Speaker 3 (52:45):
That's und every gonna want to go to Madison, Wisconsin again, Cleveland?
Any interested in that ever in the future.

Speaker 9 (52:57):
I mean, ye had a We had some great wings
with Softy and I at the bar on Friday. It's
really good spotted I tried some spotted cow. Is that
what is called spotted cow beer? It was really good.
That was good. To only get it in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
That was.

Speaker 9 (53:20):
Not good. Yeah, football game was was was not optimal.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Gentlemen, How shocked were you by the way that they played?

Speaker 9 (53:31):
I I am I this is full honesty, and I'm
in transpar Are we on the radio? Okay? On the
radio live everywhere?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Now?

Speaker 9 (53:42):
I I do not recognize this team on the road. Sometimes, guys,
I cannot, for the life of me understand the transparency
of what a team can do certain situations. And and
I know it's experience, and I know it's emotion, and
I know you're in situations if you look at it
and finally break the the film and see the way
the offense played. The Wisconsin defense is very good. Okay.

(54:06):
I have to give a lot of credit to their defense.
They are full of some very good talent. Their discipline,
they were as advertised. They played the toughest schedule in
the country, and that needs to be a little bit
of credit. It just isn't all what Washington didn't do
on offense. On the other side, that offense completely flipped

(54:29):
from a scheme. They went to a running scheme. The
punter had the longest pass play, the most completion yards.
They lost their starting quarterback with an injury on the
second drive, and then a freshman came in and they
wanted It's an ugly, dirty football game, and there's a
lot of things to clean up, and mistakes were made capitalized,

(54:51):
didn't do a few things that I would have thought
Demon Williams. And again, as healthy as this team is,
guys going into this game, they come out completely unhealthy. Again.
So this is football. There's no sympathy. Okay, I've been
through all of it. We all watch football. Football is
about injuries and dealing with adversity and playing in one

(55:12):
of the worst weather games I've ever seen. You just
you deal with it. That's the fun of playing in
college football and going on the road, and you got
to learn to embrace road games or your program is
never going to get over the hump.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, there's a lot of things that
are frustrating about watching that game, and yet you're right,
there's some elements that were involved in different variables. To me,
it feels like just if one goes different, if Jonah
Coleman doesn't get dinged up, or you can you can
give him the ball a little bit more, you'll probably
end up finding a way to pull that one out.

(55:47):
How is he Is he good to go? Is he
going to be fine moving forward?

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Do you know?

Speaker 9 (55:51):
Yeah? I mean coming out a halftime coach, fish, is
you know Denzel's fine? Jonahs fine? He had a kneebrace on.
But I'll I'll be agree with you guys. We couldn't
run the football. I mean, I don't know you's gonna
run it there. They wouldn't have mattered. I don't think
it would have mattered. The way they played their defense,
the way it was held, the false starts, behind the sticks,

(56:15):
the field position game was tremendous. If you look at
the average start line, I think our average start was
around the twenty six our twenty six, and I think
if you at Wisconsin, they were their own forty eight,
if not better. So the field position game was tremendous,
and that difference in the flip and you miss a
field goal, you go for a forty nine yard field goal,

(56:36):
you get it blocked. I know there's questions on that.
That's why I'm not the coach. I just call the
game and look at it. In retrospect, I would have
went for it, but again I'm not the coach. It's
or I might even punted it just to try to
pin it inside the five yard line. And I don't
know that. There's just so many things. It doesn't make
any sense because at the end of a half there's variables.

(56:58):
But when you perform like that on the road, you're frustrated.
Everybody in that locker room is frustrated. The coaches are frustrated.
Now you're out of the college football playoff talk and
you're trying to bust your butt to finish with these
next three games, and they're very important when you talk
about the building of the program.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
You know you mentioned the weather. It did look like
the game was being played in a like a snow globe.
And man. Luke Fickle looked like it was like bringing
out he was like Fickle the snowman, Like it was
like it gave him life, It gave him like energy.
On the sideline, See didn't seem to be phased by
it at all, but our quarterback was he phased. Was

(57:38):
demon Williams bothered by the conditions of the game.

Speaker 9 (57:42):
Do you think, Yeah, I think, well, who wouldn't be.
I mean, you don't train in that, That's not possible.
So you just have to react when you're in games
of that nature. It's the mistakes that you look back on.
And I always you'll hear me say it every week. Guys,
you got to win the six There's six plays in
every game that if you flip them in either one direction,

(58:03):
there's a completely different outcome. The interception, that's a long interception.
That's a major mistake. You drive that football, you get
another field goal ball. There's no need to go deep
on that second down. You throw it deep, you throw
it into double coverage. Interception, protect the football inside your
own twenty yard line. Trying to move it out. You scramble,

(58:23):
you're loose of the football. They turn it, We turn
it over with a fumble right there. Just those two plays. Guys,
if I take those two changes, even if you protect
the football, you get off the field, you punt it,
make them go. They get a touchdown off of that turnover.
That's it. That's the football game right there, those two plays.
So it's a young man learning how to play football

(58:45):
in difficult situations. He tried to do it on his
own at the end, but they tackled him well, they
ran him down. Even on the last play of the game,
he tried to make a play, they closed the gap.
I'm not saying he's trying to do too much, but
I will tell you this, if you cannot run the football,
every other team we've played, other than maybe Illinois, has

(59:07):
been able to run the football successfully against us, and
that managed to control the clocket, did a good job
of managing football position and field position. We have not
had one hundred yards on the ground with Jonah Coleman
since UC Davis. These are the glaring things of the
offensive line and the group. And now you have land

(59:28):
and Hatchet out drew as a party is now out.
You had to pay play pockey final. Who was the
left guard stepping in for John Mills he moves to
right tackle. Because Sewane Fasolo had a couple of false starts,
they moved him out. So now you went from being
the number of the line. Was good and for Land
and Hatchet guys to try to play left handed. Never

(59:48):
seen it in my life. Guys. He played with a
club on his right hand, and I embraced the fact
that he is tough and he wants to be out there. Gentlemen,
there isn't any offensive line in the country that can
play with one hand. You have to be able to
grab and snap with your left hand. You're not left handed,
So that to me was I mean, I applaud his

(01:00:12):
ability to go, but then hanging had to go in
and it just is you can't. There's just a lot
of things that ended up being flipped on their head
a little.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Bit, just a mess cam I mean, going a little
bit more into the Demon Williams part of it. I mean,
there's got to be a fine line, and I'm sure
you understand it far more than I do. Of that
not trying to do too much, but also you need
to be the dynamic guy that you are. And yet
there's a youth part of it. Obviously, he's a young kid,
and so how quickly can you close the gap to

(01:00:44):
find where that happy spot that being in the zone
part of it where you're throwing the ball. But you
also know in the back of your mind you can
take off and run when you want or when you
need to. How big is that gap and how quickly
can that gap close?

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
Yeah, that's at myt I watch each game and I
get really analytical into the play call and the design
and and how his patience is. Look, this is this
is to me is as clear as his day. If
you watch him in deep throws or any play action,
he has to get five and six yards deep sometimes
seven okay, and it can drop all the way into

(01:01:22):
ten sometimes, and that is because of vision. Vision means
more depth. So if he does start to run, he's
already ten to ten, eight to ten yards back before
he starts his scramble. Okay. So if you can't always
feel comfortable in the pocket with height and vision, again,
it's it's a real thing. It's not it's not a deterrent.

(01:01:42):
It's just a real issue. You have to have designed
runs for him, and so you either have to move
the pocket, have more boots, have more edge runs have
more move but I can't. I'm not. I'm not at
the point where i can put my finger on exactly
what would what the main can It's not concerns to me.

(01:02:03):
It's just running the football changes everything, guys, with a
running game, it just does. And I think the way
Jed wants to be able to throw the football too,
and the elements and the way demand can his vision
and he has good wide receivers. But Denzel goes down
in the second half, He's not the same intermediate short

(01:02:23):
throws something to get the ball out of his hands faster.
I'm not going to tell anybody how to run their
system and their offense. You just need to have more fluidity.
But it starts with being able to win by running
the football.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Well, you always are real with us. I'll be real
with you. I think Demon Williams says a lot of
things crazy great. I think he has terrible pocket presence, terrible.

Speaker 9 (01:02:45):
Cam uh I that's I mean, I'm not gonna sit. Okay,
that's that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Check.

Speaker 9 (01:02:52):
Everybody has their own deciphering and how they call and
look at an offense. I don't think he has terrible
pocket pocket presence. I think he has. I think he
has what's called it. It's called it like there's a
time clock in his head when he goes one two
and his eyes immediately go down because it's condensed. And

(01:03:13):
then it's like scatter, I gotta get out. I gotta
find a lane. I gotta find a spot. And here's
my other thing is that a lot of offenses to
have intermediate back protection, but they slide and the back
checks down to one side. I don't see a lot
of easy like hey, when there's a problem going on, like, hey,
where's my back? How do I check it down? Where's

(01:03:34):
my tight end to the check? Where's my easy throw?
It's just like if I don't have it and it's
not deep, I got to get out of here. And
look that's that's him learning how to play. But I
know being in the pocket for him, he does not
feel very comfortable being in the pocket and holding in there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Cam Cleveland is with us every Wednesday. The former Husky
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have to talk about I have to ask you about
the big topic this week. Jedfish was taking a little

(01:04:12):
bit to task at his press conference about whether or
not he's happy here at Washington. He said the right things,
and yet people are just convinced that there's smoke, and
where there's smoke, you know how the saying goes. So
I mean, what do you know? What can you tell us?
What do you feel comfortable telling us about this topic?

Speaker 9 (01:04:30):
Yeah, guys, I know what you know? I do. I
don't have any in depth analysis. I really like Jed
as a person. I've met him a couple of times,
talked to him. I think he is And here's my
full on real stance again I had to preface this
is that he was hired to do a job. And
every coach in this country is hired to do a job.

(01:04:50):
That's how I look at it anymore. He's hired to
coach these young men, recruit, does an excellent job there,
does an excellent job talking to the media, is very personable.
His staff like every single one of these guys. They're
joy to talk to. He recruits good kids. He is

(01:05:11):
hired to do a job and this loyalty facet and
does somebody want to stay Heck, I don't even know
if I want to stay in my house from twenty
four hours to the next. I can't make that kind
of judgment. I don't I might want, I might want
new Cereal this morning, Okay, But I do know I
like this, and I do know I can I can

(01:05:33):
do this. He knows how to coach football, all right.
I'm never ever in the business of telling people what
to do or make them feel guilty in any of
that nature. I am loyal to the Purple and Gold,
and I will be until I take the dirt nap.
This will not be. He will not be here for
all of my life span, and we will see multiple
coaches probably in the future. This where we're at right now.

(01:05:56):
I support the guys and the people that are on
that staff. And that's that's what I know, and that
and that's why I embrace every season as an opportunity
and I tell each player, man, you guys, get as
much as you can, as fast as you can, because
this thing flips on ahead. We've dealt with it with
coach Pete. We saw with Jimmy Kaylen came in, we
thought we found is like, Nope, that's out of here.

(01:06:17):
And here we are with Jed. I was under one staff,
I was coach as recruiting class, and then all of
a sudden, since new heisl, it's been an absolute flip
and flip and flip and flip and flip with this
Washington program. And I think that this whole program needs
to take a look at what it takes to find
the right person. But right now Jed is our guy,

(01:06:39):
and I'm going to support that one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
How how detrimental is it, because you know, I mean,
I don't blame him for giving the talk that he
did and saying, you know, basically, I like it here,
and that's what he's supposed to say. And that doesn't
mean he's staying and doesn't mean he's going. He just
is giving the thing that he has to give. He
has to say what he has to say. And yet
he did express the throwing my name into the conversation

(01:07:04):
simply because to some degree you've made the bed of
You might be a bit of a nomad, you have
traveled around a lot, and yet at the same time
that doesn't mean that you weren't in love with being
here and don't want to stay here and so, but
he's saying it's unfair or it's it makes my job
harder because of the NonStop twenty four seven three sixty
five recruiting that goes on in today's game. How difficult

(01:07:25):
does it make that if he's trying to go into
a living room and yet they just read an article saying, well,
he might want to go to Florida or he might
want to go somewhere else. Is it really undercut him
in that way?

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
Yeah? I think it does. I think it did distracts
from what the real real issue is. Isn't you're trying
to hire or your livelihood depends on eighteen to twenty
year old young men, twenty two year old young men
and guys parents, parents that want something that's parents like,

(01:07:57):
I'm a parent to I don't talk to the doing
good to see you. That's it. They're men, the parents, agents, parents, agents,
kids agents. It's insanity, the crap you have to deal
with and to be a real CEO, and that's what
he is, he's a CEO. Yes, it does distract from it.
His job is to coach young men and win football games,

(01:08:20):
and nobody's gonna feel sorry for it, though, because that's
that's the business we're in, very highly compensated. Uh, and
it's a performanced based business. So if you don't perform
at a certain level. And everybody's got a voice, right,
everybody's got an X account, everybody's got free YouTube. I mean,
how many more YouTube podcasts do we need of guys
in their basements telling us that what's wrong? I mean,

(01:08:42):
it's all over the place, and everybody's an expert. So
these are the voices. The best coaches don't listen and
they tune it all out. And the ones that ask
and the ones that sit on the game day and
they talk about it. That's fine. You have to address it.
That's part of your job, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Last minute, we should spend a little at least a
minute on Purdue sixteen and a half point favorites. But
coming off your worst performance of the year, we don't
have to worry about the boiler Makers.

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
Do we? We should worry about every game from here on.
Al gentlemen, I don't make guarantees at any point. I
think Purdue's got some good players. I certainly have watched
the film. They are two and eight they've been in
some situations. They have a couple of really good athletes.
They have to go on the road and play in
Husky Stadium. I would like to see an angry Husky
football team. But then I don't know what Jonah Coleman

(01:09:30):
is going to look like. Adam Muhammad ran very well.
You don't know what Denzel's gonna look like. So that
means your wide receiver room is way down. Okay, if
he's done and it I mean we were talking way
down the offensive line. What's that going to look like?
All in retrospect, though, our defense played very well. Yeah,

(01:09:51):
so it did some very very good things. Coach Walter's
got these guys. They look healthy. The concern now is
how much Demond take a game over and and be
competitive versus these last three games, because you got to
win at home, you got to go on the road,
and then you have your biggest game of the year
against a very very very good Oregon team who has

(01:10:13):
got a lot of confidence and deservedly so. They've played well.
So it just starts this week.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah you the man, great stuff, great stuff. Appreciate it.
We'll be listening this Saturday. Thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
Thanks fellows talk soon.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
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I'm like, I'm like Stacey from Twalaton, you know, just

(01:11:10):
coming out like greeting the morning, greeting the mountains, singing the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Blue Jays, cozy cup of coffee, yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
You know, maybe like a raspberry scone. Oh yeah, and
I've already got a glass of pino.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
You're starting your borning, all right.

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already talked about this morning at great length, the coaching

(01:12:12):
matchup and how incredible it is, well, no less than
credible is this quarterback matchup? I'm not sure if I mean,
what would you have said at the beginning of the year.
Had I told you midway through the year Matt Stafford
and Sam Darnald are both going to be top five
MVP candidates, what would you say?

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
I would have not believed you this reckless at breakfast
had too much pino.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
I would have been surprised. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't
be crazy surprised. I suppose with with Stafford, oh no, yeah,
but both of both of them, Yes, I would have been.
I would have been surprised. And that's a little bit
shortsighted on my part. Or apprehensive, I guess would be
a better word of whether or not Donald was going
to play like he did majority of last year or

(01:13:01):
how he did at the end of last year.

Speaker 8 (01:13:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
I don't think that that short sided of you at all.
I don't think that the resume there was to support
that Sam Donald was I mean there was a there's
enough resume and enough momentum that supported that maybe he
would be better with us, as good as he was
a year ago, and maybe a little bit better. But
I don't think there was anything about his history that
suggested he was going to be mentioned with Josh Allen,

(01:13:25):
which right now he's even with in the MVP odds
in some circles. And that's what we're dealing with right
now in the MVP race, is Sam Donald's being thought
of as having as good a season as anyone in
the national Football Again, Matt Stafford is the favorite right now,
favorite at MGM favorite Vegas insider that averages all the

(01:13:46):
different sportsbook He is the favorite right now to win
the MVP Award, something that he's never done. This year,
I mean, they added Devonte Adams and we still don't
know if devont Adams even going to play in this game.
As a matter of fact, this is kind of crazy
because coaches are so tight lipped about injuries. The real

(01:14:06):
place to find information, for some reason is fantasy websites.
They yeah, I don't know where they get the information,
but they're usually more accurate than just about anybody else.
I don't know where they're getting it from, but they
say that they wouldn't be surprised if he missed a
game or two a couple of the fantasy websites. So
maybe he's not playing this week. But to have that

(01:14:26):
dual wide receiver thing going right now and Matt Stafford
is just he's a pig and pooh these days. I
mean the offense, Sean mcvagh calling his plays to elite
wide receivers that he has to throw to. I remember
at the beginning of the year I said this about
our fantasy football draft. Matt Stafford did not get drafted

(01:14:47):
in our fantasy draft, or if he did, it was
really late in the process. He was a free agent
at one point, and I said, why is he being
rated solo? If you're saying Manikua is a first round value,
in Adams is worst a third round value, who do
you think is gonna be throwing them football? I mean
he's he's obviously set up to have a very good season,

(01:15:08):
and right now he's sixth in fantasy points and he's
number one in MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Yeah, I didn't think DeVonta Adams was going to be
quite as good. I kind of felt like he's getting
ready to go over the hill or on the already on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
The back side of it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
But Pooka Naku, I think everybody recognized how good he is.
And and yet, I mean, when you end up getting
halfway through the season, and yet twenty five touchdowns to
two interceptions, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Got five more touchdown passes than anyone else.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, I mean he's doing some pretty special things. And
again I think that the stats kind of show that
they run the ball about the same as the Seahawks.
And yet the little bit of that I've watched of
Rams football, I watched every snap like I have the Seahawks,
but when I've watched it, it still seems it seems more efficient.
I don't know why. Maybe it's just what highlights than

(01:15:57):
the Seahawks, even though the numbers are about the same.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
To me, the Seahawks look like the vision huh look
pretty damnficial.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
No not offense, running the ball, running the ball, But
their stats are like the same. Basically, they're both somewhere
around one hundred and ten to one hundred and fifteen
yards per game is what they rush for both teams.
And yet it feels to me like Matthew Stafford Stafford
and the Rams offense. It seems like the you know
how you always say, you know, a balanced offense is

(01:16:27):
when you can run the ball when you need to
run the ball, or pass the ball when you need
to pass the ball. It feels to me like there's
times when I watch the Seahawks offense and as good
as it's been and it's been great, that it's like,
I really wish we could run the ball right here,
and then they don't, or they can't or it's just
not as efficient. That said, the balance of Kiren Williams,

(01:16:47):
I think, also just kind of adds something to the
to the mix where they're not going like a one
in one A. They have a distinct number one, and
then everybody else that runs the ball after that is different,
And I think it opens it up a little bit
for Stafford and McVeigh the way they call the game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Well, I see, I keep hearing this, and I would imagine,
I would imagine over the long haul more often than
not that it is true. And so I know why
people are beating this drum. But what I've seen from
the twenty twenty five Seahawks is I don't think Sam
Donald needs running running effectiveness to be great, and I

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don't think Sam Donald needs to spread the ball around
the field clear when JSN can't be covered. So I
understand that those are sort of cardinal rules that you
should try to live by and should subscribe to because
history says that that's the way that you are most
effective as an offense. But until I see evidence that

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they have to have this running game that's yet to
get uncorked, or they have to incorporate Tory Horton to
get more touches during the course of the game, I mean,
I'm sure that those comments are true, but right now,
I'm seeing a guy week in and week out that
doesn't have an effective running game, doesn't need it to
set up his play action pass, and absolutely has eyes

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for one receiver and that dude can't be stopped. And
so I don't know, I'm not worried about it. I'm
not worried that we can't run the football this week
against the Los Angeles Rams. I think the Rams should
be worried that they can't cover JSN. That's what I
think should be worried.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Well, I think both teams have their things to worry about,
and I'm with you. I mean, until that time comes
that they don't run the ball and it turns into
a mistake filled game or a game in which the
offense doesn't show up. And yet the reason it is
a cardinal rule is because eventually somebody's gonna lock JSN down,
or he's gonna drop a ball, or there's gonna be
a I know, they passes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
To run the ball with Patrick Mahomes when that offense
was really cooking. They that was always an issue with them,
and they just passed their way out of trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
Yeah, that's true. And you know, I mean, if Sam
Darnold can start playing like Patrick Mahomes for a few years.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
And he is right now, right in front of our
frigging eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know those eye holes those
are showing you, Patrick Mahomes, then do your thing, Sam.
I mean, I just think there's you want to be
able to lean on the other side. I'm not trying
to take away from it, I'm not. I mean, I
think the way the newitch he's played has been magnificent.
It's they're still attempting to run the ball, that's the thing.
Like it's he's not he's not throwing the ball as

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much as Matt Stafford is, and yet he's got the
same amount of yards, right, I mean, it's Pukainaku has
more receptions than JSN does, but not even close to
as many yards. So it's they're they're passing the ball more,
but then when they do run the ball, it's more efficient.
Like I remember when I first started doing this, I
was talking about the old school saying if you got
to run the ball to set up the pass, Well

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that's not the case anymore. You can pass the ball
to set up the run. And I'm just saying I
think that they do that we passed the ball. The
Seahawks pass the ball. It just doesn't sometimes set up
the runner. It doesn't feel like it's set up the run.
And yet they stick with it. They're still handing the
ball off and trying to be as balanced as they
can be to where you're not getting one sided, and

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I think that's still smart.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Well, they're averaging thirty and a half points per game.
I don't think they should change anything. Even though the
running game doesn't look all that effective. I'm just gonna
bet that there's something too. Running it that much keeps
the defense on its heels, and it has to keep
them honest on play action pass, and it is to

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whatever degree, helping Sam Darnold be as efficient and effective
as he's being. So I'm not going into the Rams
game saying, Hey, that run game is not working. It's
just abandon it. Let's just throw the ball every time,
no run it as much as you've been running, and
set up Sam to be as great as what he's
been so far this season, and let's see if that's

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better than the Rams can put forth on Sunday. I'm
certainly not gonna adjust anything. Ashley. In the meantime, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna change things up just as
I'm getting ready to play my biggest game of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
No, you can't.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
And yeah, looking at so, JSN obviously number one receiver, right,
and then you've got pukinakuas third. But pukinakup Is yardage
and DeVante Adams yardage combine only three hundred yards more
on what JSN has.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
And then Boat.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
And they've both been great, both exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:21:29):
But that's what I'm saying, like, and that's only three
hundred yards more than what JSN has by himself.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Yeah, just do what you're doing, Kubiak. I mean, I mean,
if it falls on its face against the Rams, then
you gotta go back to the drawing board because you're
gonna have to beat them eventually. If you're gonna get
where you want to go, you're gonna have to get
through the Rams at some point. But I'm certainly not
gonna change it up now. I Just keep doing what
you're doing. Maybe the running game breaks loose, Yeah, maybe

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it does. Maybe maybe we get a huge ken Walker
game that carries the day on Sunday. So keep doing
what you're doing. But I'm not going to change things
until I feel like I have to. And right now
this team man's they're just smoking right now. But so
are the Rams. That's why it's just a fascinating game.
It's micked fantastic. It is all right. Coming up next tonight,

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the Cy Young Award will be announced. Uh and will
it go to a Seattle Mariner Sports Radio ninety three
point three kh A r f M. You know, alcon Issuate,

(01:22:38):
so you're out of town two to come in here
and say hello, brought us queen Anne beer hall, breakfast
burritos they were was the day the tree fell? Yeah, exactly.
He like, he's like, hey, is he out today? I'm
coming in today. That's not how it happened. Oh you
don't think that did Justin come into someone else?

Speaker 9 (01:22:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
I remember the name Justin.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Probably think Justin probably didn't come in because he heard
the tree fell down. He's like, well, I don't know
what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Chuck and Ashley, Well, we just enjoyed Al's presence immensely
and wish he would come back every week. Yeah, it'd
be nice. Breakfast burritos, Al, how are you? Good morning?

Speaker 8 (01:23:19):
Fantastic? And uh, you know Buck, I got to say.
I've been in the corporate world for thirty years. If
I had a nickel for every time I heard the
tree fell on my car excuse, I won't be into
work today.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
I'd be a rich man. Oh is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Well, maybe that's because you're Canadian a lot of trees
fall on cars, or that's your your go to excuse.
Next time, I'll call you at nine o'clock at eleven
o'clock at night and see if you want to come
out there and help me with it. You can hit,
you can wield a change. I'm sure I'm gonna say.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
You've got to get stealed though, Get a sponsorship in
there for you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
That'd be a great idea, the one I use.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Yeah, that's that's a good point. All right. Well, cracking
last night, lose another shootout, another overtime game. I don't
want to blabor this point al, but just getting one
when you can get too in these sessions is starting
to get a little repetitive.

Speaker 8 (01:24:13):
Yeah, I mean, listen, you can look at this from
the glass half empty, glass half full standpoint. You saw
a team last night that put their defensive structure on
display and kept the opposing team to one goal against.
But unfortunately, the glass half empty side is you couldn't
put pucks in on a team that was playing in

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their second back to back that was pretty decimated with
some sort of sickness, flew whatever, and had many guys
with the lineup. Also, the goalie that played in the
first of the back to back played in the second
back to back and that's rare. So you know, depending
on what side you're looking at, Yeah, you got a
point out of it, but you really should have gotten two.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
How difficult is it? I mean, we just watched the Sounders.
Basically they lose their their playoff game. They lost to
with penalty kicks, and I know in soccer it's you
should make just about every single one. I'm you're not
going to nobody's perfect, but it's it's one of those
it's far bigger than the guy that is covering it
can cover. And yet in in hockey it seems far

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more difficult. And so what is the percentage that you
expect your guys to make when it comes to penalty shootouts?

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
Yeah, I mean there's there's a very select few number
of players in the league that have high percentage numbers
and high might be you know, thirty percent for you know,
for every every three they're getting one, but really it's
much lower than that. It's something that you you practice,
you know when you do have opportunities in practice. But

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every goalie is different in the league. Every goal is
going to play things differently, so you know, the percentage
is probably much slower than lower than what you would
think it would be. And listen, you know, the the
ratio of space between the goaltender and and the net
is very different hockey versus soccer, so you're not surprised

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when the number is so small. But having said that,
it's a skill, it's a skills competition. Unfortunately, that's how
we've decided we're going to end games in the NHL
during the regular season, and there are some guys that
are fantastic in it and some guys that struggle even
though they're they're high scores during five on five player

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or power play. Is there's something about that breakaway situation,
that one versus one situation that you know, it's hard
to get over that hump.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Color analysts for yours Seattle cracking right here on the
flagship al Kaniski with US. He joins US every Wednesday.
At this time, I know we're out, got Decord out
for a little bit here, and hopefully it's only a
little bit. But got to give credit to Matt Murray
for a third string goalie. I don't know if that's
technically true, but certainly the way that the season started,

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he was the third guy added to the roster. Man
he was terrific last night.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
Yeah he was. And it was his second start to
in two games. So, you know, goalies love flow, and
I think that, you know, once you get a couple
of games in your belt, you start to feel that.
But you know, I mistakenly sit on the broadcast last
night that with Joey to Cord out, you've got both
Philip Grubauer and Matt Murray vying for that who the

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true second backup goaltender is. And I have to amend
that statement. We don't know how long Joey Tocord's out,
So right now, what these two goaltenders are doing is
trying to buy for who's going to be the number
one goaltender. I'll tell you, the way Matt Murray played
last night, he's got my vote right now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Well, I mean, if he's the one, is it still
just pretty much split. I mean, it seems like across
the board now in the NHL you're needing too, And
so if that's your if you've kind of somehow maybe
moved him up the depth chart there, you're feeling good
about how you're going to be able to be tending
goal considering we don't know how long, you said, Joey,
the goord's out.

Speaker 9 (01:28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:28:02):
I think what you do is you've got to look
at the schedule ahead. You know, Cracking, I've got Winnipeg
tomorrow night, They've got Jose Saturday. So the next two games,
you've got a elite, top of the league team and
you've got a team that the Cracking lost to six
to one last week. Obviously, you know both teams you
want to play well against. But you've got to look

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at your goaltender due a route now right now and
say who's going to play the best against that particular team.
It's not necessarily who's playing the best, it's who's going
to play the best, because sometimes you get an X
factor with goaltenders that they always play well against certain teams,
or maybe it was a team they were traded from,
but the coaching staff will look out to those two

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games and they'll make those decisions based on those factors.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Is five on three like impossible to overcome? And do
you like it as a hockey player a hockey analyst
that such a great advantage can be given in the
middle of a game like that, Yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
Mean it's It's one of those things where as a player,
if you're the person that's on the penalty kill, you
want to be really careful about not putting your team
down another man in that situation. Having said that, it happens,
I've done it. I've been on both sides of it.
And when you're the team that's up two men on
the power play, it's expected that you're going to get

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some great, a high danger chances in that time that
you have driven. While it's five on three, it's not
assumed it's going to be a goal because you've still
got three players out there, plus a goal tighter that's
playing fantastic. And let's remember that that game last night,
that five on three goal that was scored. Matt Murray
had forty nine percent of that save. It went off

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his glove, but just the velocity of the shot it
dropped after he got a piece of it and continued
in the back of the net. So he makes that
save there and you know the crack and win the game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Won nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:29:52):
So it's not a given, but it's probably going to
be one of the best opportunities you have in the
game to get a goal.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Yeah, whenever you see that, you know you're going against
a five on three or just like, oh crap, well
there's at least one. There's at least one goal. All right.
Last thing for you, because we won't be able to
chat with you before the Sharks game coming up this weekend.
You you tell me, you correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't remember Wayne Gretzky looking as young as what

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these Sharks players look like. They look like they're eleven.
And Ashley tells me it's just because I'm getting older.
I don't think so. I don't feel this way about
other sports. There's something about these young hockey players. The
Badard kid in Chicago and like seven of those Sharks players,
they all look like they're six years old. Al why
do they look so young? Al? I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:30:41):
I don't know if it's if it's space washing regimes
at night, if it's skin creams, or what. But I
agree most of them wouldn't be able to grow a
mustache this month for November, so I question it as well.
I think they get younger every year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Feels like it. Man, that is a young looking team
right there. Just every guy that would score, and they
scored a lot. My man, he looks even younger than
the last guy. Yeah. Not another team movie, that's what
we were watching.

Speaker 8 (01:31:09):
No, absolutely not all right now, thanks man, We'll talk
to you from Chicago next week.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Sounds good. Al Konisky joining us right here on Chuck
and Buck and the team will be in action tomorrow
night at home against the Winnipeg Jets at seven o'clock.
So I'm very competitive hockey every single night from this team.
But they are not getting two points there the nights
they're getting one point. They have a chance to get to.
They're just not winning consistently in overtime. Something Lane Lambert

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is going to be working on. All right, one last
thing to close out our Wednesday show next on KJR