November 12, 2025 • 35 mins
CAM CLEELAND (Learfield Washington Color Analyst) What happened in Madison? Cam doesn’t recognize this team on the road sometimes. Cam’s heard all the Jedd Fisch talk, but what does he think about the head coach’s future on Montlake? There are three games left, how are we feeling about them and what concerns does Cam have? :30- This Rams/Seahawks matchup is Huge and Sam Darnold and Matthew Stafford are getting a lot of attention for all the right reasons and it’s adding to the hype surrounding Sunday’s game. Both QBs are in the top 5 for MVP and Stafford is the favorite- would we have predicted this at all before the season started? Definitely not. :45- The Cy Young Awards are being given out tonight and Skenes and Skubal should easily win. The Mariners are in a lot of chatter about Skubal, will they make the move?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're own for Husky football, probably present our weekly visit
with the voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland. Oh yeah, Purple,
let's go right to you by Warrior Injury Love Battles tested.
Now here's chucking bug with a former Husky tight end
on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's um.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Ever gonna want to go to Madison, Wisconsin again Cleveland?
Any interested in that ever in the future?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
M I mean, ye had a We had some great
wings with Softy and I at the bar on Friday.
It's really good, David spotted I tried some spotted cow.
Is that what is called spotted cow beer? It was
really good. That was good. So only get it in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that was good.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Fast ball mug halfball game.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Was not good. Yeah, football game was was was not optimal?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Gentlemen, How shocked were you by the way that they played?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I I am this is full honesty, and I'm in
trans are we on the radio? Okay? On the radio
live everywhere? Now? I do not recognize this team on
the road. Sometimes, guys, I cannot, for the life of
me understand the transparency of what a team can do
certain situations. And I know it's experience, and I know
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it's emotion, and I know you're in situations. If you
look at it and finally break down the film and
see the way the offense played, the Wisconsin defense is
very good. Okay. I have to give a lot of
credit to their defense. They are full of some very
good talent, they're discipline, they were as advertised, they played
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the toughest schedule in the country, and that that needs
to be a little bit of credit. It just isn't
all what Washington didn't do on offense. On the other side,
that offense completely flipped from a scheme. They went to
a running scheme. The punter had the longest pass play,
the most completion yards. They lost their starting quarterback with
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an injury on the second drive, and then a freshman
came in and they wanted It's an ugly, dirty football game,
and there's a lot of things to clean up, and
mistakes were made capitalized, didn't do a few things that
I would have thought Demon Williams. And again, as healthy
as this team is, guys going into this game, they
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come out completely unhealthy. Again, So this is football. There's
no sympathy. Okay, I've been through all of it. We
all watch football. Football is about injuries and dealing with
adversity and playing in one of the worst weather games
I've ever seen. You just you deal with it. That's
the fun of playing in college football and going on
the road, and you got to learn to embrace road
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games or your program is never going to get over
the hump.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I mean, ultimately, there's a lot of things that are
frustrating about watching that game, and yet you're right, there's
some elements that were involved in different variables. To me,
it feels like just if one goes different, if Jonah
Coleman doesn't get dinged up, or you can you can
give him the ball a little bit more, you'll probably
end up finding a way to pull that one out.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
How is he? Is he good to go? Is he
going to be fine moving forward? Do you know?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah? I mean coming out a halftime coach fish, is
you know Denzel fine? Jonahs fine? He had a knee
brace on. But I'll be agree with you guys. We
could run the football. I mean, I don't know, if
you run it, they wouldn't have mattered. I don't think
it would have mattered the way they played their defense,
the way it was held the false starts behind the sticks.
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The field position game was tremendous. If you look at
the average start line, I think our average start was
around the twenty six are twenty six, and I think
give you at Wisconsin, they were their own forty eight,
if not better. So the field position game was tremendous.
And that difference in the flip and you miss a
field goal, you go for a forty nine yard field goal,
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you get it blocked. I know there's questions on that.
That's why I'm not the coach. I just call the
game and look at it. In retrospect, I would have
went for it, but again I'm not the coach. It's
or I might even punted it just to try to
pin it inside the five yard line, and I don't
know that. There's just so many things. It doesn't make
any sense because at the end of a half there's variables.
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But when you perform like that on the road, you're frustrated.
Everybody in that locker room is frustrated, the coaches are frustrated.
Now you're out of the college football playoff talk and
you're trying to bust your butt to finish with these
next three games. And they're very important. When you talk
about the building of the program.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You know, you mentioned the weather. It did look like
the game was being played in a like a snow globe,
and Luke Fickle looked like it was like bring it out.
He was like Fickle the snowman, Like it was like
it gave him life. It gave him like energy. On
the sideline, See didn't seem to be phased by it
at all, but our quarterback was he phased? Was demon
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Williams bothered by the conditions of the game.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Do you think, Yeah, I think, well, who wouldn't be.
I mean, you don't train in that, that's not possible.
So you just have to react when you're in games
of that nature. It's the mistakes that you look back on.
And I always you'll hear me say it every week. Guys,
you got to win the six There's six plays in
every game that if you flip them in either one direction,
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there's a completely different outcome. The interception, that's a long interception.
That's a major mistake. You drive that football, you get
another field goal. You all there's no need to go
deep on that second down. You throw it deep, you
throw it into double coverage, interception, protect the football inside
your own twenty yard line, trying to move it out,
you scramble, you're loose with the football. They we turn
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it over with a fumble right there. Just those two plays, guys,
if I take those two changes, even if you protect
the football, you get off the field, you punt it,
make them go. They get a touchdown off of that turnover.
That's it. That's the football game right there, those two plays.
So it's a young man learning how to play football
in difficult situations. He tried to do it on his
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own at the end, but they tackled him well, they
ran him down. Even on the last play of the game,
he tried to make a play, they closed the gap.
I'm not saying he's trying to do too much, but
I will tell you this, if you cannot run the football,
every other team we've played, other than maybe Illinois, has
been able to run the football successfully against us, and
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that managed to control the clocket, did a good job
of managing football position and field position. We have not
had one hundred yards on the ground with Jonah Coleman
since UC Davis. These are the glaring things of the
offensive line and the group and now you have Land
and Hatchet out drew as a party is now out.
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You had to pay play Poky Final who was the
left guard stepping in for John Mills. He moves to
right tackle because Sewani fa Solo had a couple of
false starts, they moved him out. So now you went
from being the number of the line. Was good And
for Land and Hatchet guys to try to play left handed,
never seen it in my life. Guys. He played with
a club on his right hand, and I embraced the
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fact that he is tough and he wants to be
out there. Gentlemen, there isn't any offensive line in the
country that can play with one hand. You have to
be able to grab and snap with your left hand.
You're not left handed, So that to me was I mean,
I applaud his ability to go, but then Henning had
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to go in and it just is you can't. There's
just a lot of things that ended up being flipped
on their head a little bit, just.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
As Cam I mean, going a little bit more into
the demon Williams part of it. I mean, there's got
to be a fine line, and I'm sure you understand
it far more than I do of that, not trying
to do too much, but also you need to be
the dynamic, you know guy that you are. And yet
there's a youth part of it. Obviously he's a young kid.
And so how quickly can you close the gap to
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find where that happy spot that being in the zone
part of it where you're throwing the ball. But you
also know in the back of your mind you can
take off and run when you want or when you
need to. How big is that gap and how quickly
can that gap close?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, that's at I watch each game and I get
really analytical into the play call and the design and
how his patience is. Look, this is this is to
me as clear as is day. If you watch him
in deep throws or any play action, he has to
get five and six yards deep sometimes seven okay, and
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it can drop all the way into ten sometimes, and
that is because of vision. Vision means more depth. So
if he does start to run, he's already ten to ten,
eight to ten yards back before he starts his scramble. Okay.
So if you can't always feel comfortable in the pocket
with height and vision, again, it's a real thing. It's
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not a deterrent it's just a real issue. You have
to have designed runs for him, and so you either
have to move the pocket, have more boots, have more
edge runs, have more move But I can't. I'm not
at the point where I can put my finger on
exactly what would what the main can It's not concerns
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to me. It's just running the football changes everything, guys,
with a running game, it just does. And I think
the way Jed wants to be able to throw the
football too, and the elements and the way demand can
his vision and he has good wide receivers, but Denzel
goes down in the second half, he's not the same
intermediate short throws something to get the ball out of
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his hands faster. I'm not gonna tell anybody how to
run their system and their offense. You just need to
have more fluidity. But it starts with being able to
win by running the football.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, you always are real with us. I'll be real
with you. I think Demon Williams says a lot of
things crazy great. I think he has terrible pocket presence,
terrible cam uh.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I that's I mean, I'm not gonna sit Okay, that's
that's fair. Check. Everybody has their own deciphering and how
they call and look at an offense. I don't think
he has terrible pocket pocket presence. I think he has
I think he has what's called it's it's called like
there's a time clock in his head when he goes
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one two, and his eyes immediately go down because it's condensed.
And then it's like scatter, I gotta get out. I
gotta find a lane. I gotta find a spot. And
here's my other thing is that a lot of offenses
to have intermediate back protection, but they slide and the
back checks down to one side. I don't see a
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lot of easy like hey, when there's a problem going on, like, hey,
where's my back? How do I check it down? Where's
my tight end to the check? Where's my easy throw?
It's just like if I don't have it and it's
not deep, I got to get out of here. And look,
that's him learning how to play. But I know being
in the pocket for him, he does not feel very
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comfortable being in the pocket and holding in there.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Cam Cleveland is with us every Wednesday. The former Husky
tight end legend also color analyst for your Washington Huskies
every game right here at sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM and our conversation with him, brought to you
by Warrior Injury Law Battle Tested. All right, well to
have to talk about I have to ask you about
the big topic this week. Jedfish was taking a little
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bit to task at his press conference about whether or
not he's happy here at Washington. He said the right things,
and yet people are just convinced that there's smoke, and
where there's smoke, you know how the saying goes. So
I mean, what do you know? What can you tell us?
What do you feel comfortable telling us about this topic?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, guys, I know what you know. I do. I
don't have any in depth analysis. I really like Jed
as a person. I met him a couple of times,
talk to him. I think he is And here's my
full on real stance again, I had to preface this
is that he was hired to do a job. And
every coach in this country is hired to do a job.
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That's how I look at it anymore. He's hired to
coach these young men, recruit, does an excellent job there,
does an excellent job talking to the media, is very personable,
his staff, like every single one of these guys, They're
a joy to talk to. He recruits good kids. He
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is hired to do a job, and this loyalty facet
and does somebody want to stay Heck, I don't even
know if I want to stay in my house from
twenty four hours to the next. I can't make that
kind of jeed. I don't. I might want, I might
want new Cereal this morning, Okay, But I do know
I like this, and I do know I can I
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can do this. He knows how to coach football, all right.
I'm never ever in the business of telling people what
to do or make them feel guilty in any of
that nature. I am loyal to the Purple and Gold,
and I will be until I take the dirt nap.
This will not be. He will not be here for
all of my life span, and we will see multiple
coaches probably in the future. This where we're at right now.
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I support the guys and the people that are on
that staff. And that's that's what I know, and that's
and that's why I embrace every seasons as an opportunity.
And I tell each player, man, you guys, get as
much as you can, as fast as you can, because
this thing flips on ahead. We've dealt with it with
coach Pete. We saw with Jimmy Kaylen came in, we
thought we found is like Nope, that's out of here.
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And here we are with Jed. I was under one staff,
I was coach as recruiting class and and all of
a sudden since new heisl, it's been an absolute flip
and flip and flip and flip and flip at this
Washington program. And I think that this whole program needs
to take a look at what it takes to find
the right person. But right now Jed is our guy,
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and I'm gonna support that one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
How how detrimental is it, because you know, I mean,
I don't blame him for giving the talk that he
did and saying, you know, basically, I like it here
and that's what he's supposed to say. And that doesn't
mean he's staying and doesn't mean he's going. He just
is giving the thing that he has to give. He
has to say what he has to say. And yet
he did express the throwing my name into the conversation
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simply because to some degree you've made the bed of
you might be a bit of a nomad. You have
traveled around a lot, and yet at the same time,
that doesn't mean that you weren't in love with being
here and don't want to stay here and so, but
he's saying it's unfair or it's it makes my job
harder because of the NonStop twenty four seven three sixty
five recruiting that goes on in today's game. How difficult
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does it make that if he's trying to go into
a living room and yet they just read an article saying, well,
he might want to go on Florida or he might
want to go somewhere else. Is it really undercut him
in that way?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, I think it does. I think it did distracts
from what the real real issue is, is that you're
trying to hire or your livelihood depends on eighteen to
twenty year old young men, twenty two year old young
men and guys parents, parents that want something that's parents
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like I'm a parent to I don't talk to the couch. Hey,
how you doing good? See you? That's it. They're men.
But the parents, agents, parents, agents, kids agents. It's insanity
the crap you have to deal with and to be
a real CEO, and that's what he is. He's a CEO. Yes,
it does distract from it. His job is to coach
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young men and win football games. And nobody's going to
feel sorry for it, though, because that's that's the business.
We're in, very highly compensated, and it's a performance based business.
So if you don't perform at a certain level, and
everybody's got a voice, right, everybody's got an X account,
everybody's got free YouTube. I mean, how many more YouTube
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podcasts do we need of guys in their basements telling
us of what's wrong. I mean, it's all over the place,
and everybody's an expert, so these are the voices. The
best coaches don't listen and they tune it all out,
and the ones that ask and the ones that sit
on the game day and they talk about it. That's fine.
You have to address it. That's part of your job,
all right.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Last minute, we should spend at least a minute on
produce sixteen and a half point favorites. But coming off
your worst performance of the year, we don't have to
worry about the boiler Makers.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Do we? We should worry about every game from here on.
Al gentlemen, I don't make guarantees at any point. I
think Purdue's got some good players. I certainly have watched
the film. They are two and eight, They've been in
some situations. They have a couple of really good athletes.
Have to go on the road and play in Husky Stadium.
I would like to see an angry Husky football team.
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But then I don't know what Jonah Coleman is going
to look like. Adam Muhammad ran very well. You you
don't know what Denzel's gonna look like. So that means
your wide receiver room is way down. Okay, if he's
done and it I mean we were talking way down
the offensive line, what's that gonna look like? All in retrospect, though,
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our defense played very well. Yeah, so it did some
very very good things. Coach Walter's got these guys. They
look healthy. The concern now is how much can demand
take a game over and and be competitive versus these
last three games, because you got to win at home,
you got to go on the road, and then you
have your biggest game of the year against a very
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very very good Oregon team who has got a lot
of confidence and deservedly so. They've played well. So it
just starts this week.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, you the man.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Great stuff, great stuff, appreciate it. We'll be listening this Saturday.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Thanks Fellow's talk soon.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
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I'm like, I'm like Stacey from Twalaton, you know, just
coming out like greeting the morning, greeting the mountains, singing
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the Blue.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Jays, cozy cup of coffee, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Exactly, you know, maybe like a raspberry scone. Yeah, and
I've already got a glass of pino.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Oh you're starting your morning.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
All right, that's how.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
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at great length. The coaching matchup and how incredible it is, well,
no less than credible is this quarterback matchup? I'm not
sure if I mean, what would you have said at
the beginning of the year had I told you midway
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through the year Matt Stafford and Sam Donald are both
going to be top five MVP candidates.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
What I would have believed you.
Speaker 8 (20:11):
This reckless at breakfast, had too much pino.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
I would have been surprised. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't
be crazy surprised. I suppose with with Stafford, oh no, yeah,
but both both of.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Them, Yes, I would have been. I would have been surprised.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
And that's a little bit shortsighted on my part, or
or apprehensive, I guess would.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Be a better word of whether or not Donald was going.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
To play like he did majority of last year or
how he did at the end of last year.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I don't think that that short sighted of you at all.
I don't think that the resume there was to support
that Sam Donald was I mean there was a there's
enough resume and enough momentum that supported that maybe he
would be better with.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Us, as good as he was a year ago, and
maybe a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But I don't think there was anything about his history
that suggested he was going to be mentioned with Josh Allen,
which right now he's even with in the MVP.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Odds in some circles. And that's what.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We're dealing with right now in the MVP race, is
Sam Darnold's being thought of as having as good a
season as anyone in the national Football Again, Matt Stafford
is the favorite right now, favorite at MGM, favorite Vegas
insider that averages all the different sportsbook He is the
favorite right now to win the MVP Award, something that
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he's never done.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
This year. I mean, they added.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Devonte Adams and we still don't know if devont Adams
even going to play in this game.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
As a matter of fact, this is kind.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Of crazy because coaches are so tight lipped about injuries.
The real place to find information, for some reason is
fantasy websites. They I don't know where they get the information,
but they're usually more accurate than just about anybody else.
I don't know where they're getting it from, but they
say that they wouldn't be surprised if he missed a
game or two a couple of the fantasy websites. So
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maybe he's not playing this week. But to have that
dual wide receiver thing going right now and Matt Stafford
is just he's a pig and pooh these days. I
mean the offense, Sean mcvayh calling his plays to elite
wide receivers that he has to throw to. I remember
at the beginning of the year, I said this about
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our fantasy football draft. Matt Stafford did not get drafted
in our fantasy draft, or if he did, it was
really late in the process. He was a free agent
at one point, and I said, why is he being
rated solo? If you're saying Mankua is a first round
value and Adams is at worst a third round.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Value, who do you think is gonna be throwing them footballs?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I mean, he's obviously set up to have a very
good season, and right now he's sixth in fantasy points
and he's number one in MVP.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, I didn't think Devanta Adams was going to be
quite as good. I kind of felt like he's getting.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Ready to go over the hill or on the already
on the back side of it.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
But Pooka Naku, I think everybody read recognized how good
he is. And and yet, I mean, when you end
up getting halfway through the season and yet twenty five
touchdowns to two interceptions, he's.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Got five more touchdown passes than anyone else.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean, he's doing some pretty special things. And
again I think that the stats kind of show that
they run the ball about the same as the Seahawks,
And yet the little bit of that I've watched of
Rams football. I watched every snap like I have the Seahawks.
But when I've watched it, it still seems it seems more efficient.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I don't know why.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Maybe it's just highlights than the Seahawks, even though the
numbers are about the same.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
To me, the.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Seahawks look like, huh look pretty damn aficion.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
No not offense, running the ball, running the ball, but
their stats are like the same. Basically, they're both somewhere
around one hundred and ten to one hundred and fifteen
yards per game is what they rush for both teams.
And yet it feels to me like Matthew Stafford Stafford
and the Rams offense. It seems like the you know
how you always say, you know, a balanced offense is
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when you can run the ball when you need to
run the ball, or pass the ball when you need
to pass the ball. It feels to me like there's
times when I watch the Seahawks offense and as good
as it's been and it's been great, that it's like,
I really wish we could run the ball right here,
and then they don't or they can't or it's just
not as efficient that said the balance of Karen Williams.
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I think also just kind of adds something to the
mix where they're not going like a one in one A.
They have a distinct number one, and then everybody else
that runs the ball after that is different, And I
think it opens it up a little bit for Stafford
and McVeigh the way they call the game.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, I see, I keep hearing this, and I would imagine,
I would imagine over the long haul more often than
not that it is true. And so I know why
people are beating this drum. But what I've seen from
the twenty twenty five Seahawks is I don't think Sam
Donald needs running a running a effectiveness to be great,
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and I don't think Sam Darnold needs to spread the
ball around the field clear when JSN can't be covered.
So I understand that those are sort of cardinal rules
that you should try to live by and should subscribe
to because history says that that's the way that you
are most effective as an offense. But until I see
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evidence that they have to have this running game that's
yet to get uncorked, or they have to incorporate Tory
Horton to get more touches during the course of the game.
I mean, I'm sure that those comments are true. But
right now I'm seeing a guy week in and week
out that doesn't have an effective running game, doesn't need
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it to set up his play action pass, and absolutely
has eyes for one receiver, and that dude can't be stopped.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
And so I don't know, I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I'm not worried that we can't run the football this
week against the law Los Angeles Rams. I think the
Rams should be worried that they can't cover JSN.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
That's what I think should be worried.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Well, I think both teams have their things to worry about,
and I'm with you. I mean, until that time comes
that that they don't run the ball and it turns
into a mistake filled game or or a game in
which the offense doesn't show up. And yet the reason
it is a cardinal rule is because eventually somebody's gonna
lock JSN down, or he's gonna drop a ball, or
there's gonna be a I know that passes.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
To run the ball with Patrick Mahomes when that offense
was really cooking, they that was always an issue with them,
and they just passed their way out of trouble.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And you know, I mean, if Sam Darnold can start
playing like Patrick Mahomes for a few years.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
And he is right now, right in front of our freaking.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Eyes, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Those eye holes those are showing you, Patrick Mahomes, then
do your thing, Sam. I mean, I just think there's
you want to be able to lean on the other side.
I'm not trying to take away from it, I'm not.
I mean, I think the way the newitch he's has
been magnificent. It's they're still attempting to run the ball.
That's the thing. Like it's he he's not throwing the
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ball as much as Matt Stafford is, and yet he's
got the same amount of yards, right, I mean, it's
Pukainaku has more receptions than JSN does, but not even
close to as many yards. So it's they're they're passing
the ball more, but then when they do run the ball,
it's more efficient. Like I remember when I first started
doing this, I was talking about the old school saying
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if you got to run the ball to set up
the pass, Well that's not the case anymore. You can
pass the ball to set up the run, and I'm
just saying I think that they do that. We passed
the ball. The Seahawks pass the ball. It just doesn't
sometimes set up the runner. It doesn't feel like it's
set up the run. And yet they stick with it.
They're still handing the ball off and trying to be
as balanced as they can be to where you're not
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getting one sided, and I think that's still smart.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, they're averaging thirty and a half points per game, Like,
I don't think they should change anything even though the
running game doesn't look all that effective. I'm just gonna
bet that there's something too. Running at that much keeps
the defense on its heels and has to keep them
honest on play action pass and it is to whatever degree,
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helping Sam Darnold be as efficient and effective as he's being.
So I'm not going into the Rams game saying, Hey,
that run game is not working, it's just abandon it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Let's just throw the ball every time.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Now, run it as much as you've been running, and
set up Sam to be as great as what he's
been so far this season, and let's see if that's
better than the Rams can put forth on Sunday. I'm
certainly not gonna adjust anything, Ashley. In the meantime, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna change things up just as
I'm getting ready to play my biggest game of the year.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
No, you can't.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
And yeah, looking at so, JSN obviously number one receiver, right,
and then you've got pukinakuas third. But pukinakup Is yardage
and DeVante adams yardage combine only three hundred yards more
on what JSN has, and they.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
And they've both been great, both exactly.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
But that's what I'm saying, like, and that's only three
hundred yards more than what JSN has by himself.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, just do what you're doing, Kobeak.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I mean, I mean, if it falls on its face
against the Rams, then you gotta go back to the
drawing board because you're gonna have to beat them eventually.
If you're gonna get where you want to go, you're
gonna have to get through the rams at some point.
But I'm certainly not going to change it up now.
I just keep doing what you're doing. Maybe the running
game breaks loose, Yeah, maybe it does. Maybe maybe we
get a huge ken Walker game that carries the day
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on Sunday. So keep doing what you're doing. But I'm
not gonna change things until I feel like I have to.
And right now, this team man's they're just smoking right now.
But so are the Rams. That's why it's just a
fascinating game. It's micked fantastic.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
It is all right. Coming up next.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Tonight, the cy Young Award will be announced and will
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point three kja RFM. You know what, That's what I
was kind of thinking, skiings and scooball and skater boy.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
That's what you were doing.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'll combined weird person I am vote in Las Vegas's
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Speaker 4 (30:16):
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Speaker 3 (30:17):
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out tonight. Not much intrigue to this Cy Young announcement. Yeah,
Dan Wilson finished third. We went into it last night
(30:44):
not thinking he was going to win, but thought there
was a chance.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Nobody else really has a chance.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
We kind of know who's winning the sy Young Award tonight,
Trek Scooble's a fifteenth minus fifteen thousand favorite and Skiens
minus fifty thousand favorite. So we're gonna have a situation
where we've had back to back Managers of the Year
in both leagues and back to back cy Young Award
winners in both leagues. Wait, minut did Skans win last year?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah? I think so?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, And did show Hey win it last year?
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Are they last year? Okay? I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
If he still hit eighty homers and stole a ninety
seven bases hit the MVP, Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Then,
so did Judge win it last year too? Because if
it'd be weird, if it's just everybody's back to back
to back all across all of the major.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Categories, is gonna win?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yeah, well let's hope.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, you're right, though cy Young wise doesn't seem like
it's much of a contest. We we kind of are.
We are watching a couple unbelievable dudes. I mean, there's
a lot of really great pitchers out there. But Trek
school and Paul Sken's kind of just are different, for sure, for.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Sure, And we got a little taste of that in
the postseason. Even though we had success against him, we
didn't have success against him, that makes any sense.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Yeah, we beat them, but it wasn't like we were
just dominating him.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, just making sure no, no, no, Chris
Sale won last year. So strike that from the red
It was not Paul Stein.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So yes, it was. So Chris Sale won the Cy
Young Award last year.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And so it won't be back to back in the
National League, but it will be back and back in
the American League. And I'm wondering, will Trek's scooble show
up in a Tiger's hat or a Mariner's hat?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Can you believe that this is actually a thing that
people think might happen that, Yes, I do believe Trek
Scooble not only could get traded this offseason, I think
he will get traded this offseason, but to the Mariners.
I wouldn't have I wouldn't guess that in a billion years.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Well, I would have a hard time thinking the Mariners
would would pony up for it. But then again, I
don't know, man. I mean, it's the Tiger changing stripes
type of a thing. But at the same time, this
is the first time this front office, not this ownership group,
but this front office has been at this point in
where you're at, where you're not. You're not in any
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sort of rebuild. You're in a you're locked and loaded.
Make sure you have every piece of ammal you can get.
And if the Detroit you know, Tigers are wanting to
sell off the best left handed pitcher, and right there
is one of the best pictures in the on the planet.
I'm definitely taking a phone call if.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They get him, though I think it's only a one
year kind of rental thing. Yeah, and maybe that's where
they might have changed their stripes. I don't think they're
going to change their stripes to the tune of paying
Errek's scouble ten years, four.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I just don't think it's in the organization. So to me,
I don't want to give up as much as it
would take to get Trek scouble for one year when
that's already a strength, if not the strength of the team.
As much as I'd love to have him and as
much as he might provide the difference next season, he
might be just that great that he pushes us over
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the top and wins We win the World Series.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
And that would be worth it. That would be worth
it if it came with a guarantee. Yeah, could we
get that, Yeah, that you're going to win a World Series.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
But I it's really shocking that these rumors. I mean,
and it's not just Adam Jude talking about. It's not
just Buster only. It's all over the place that the
Mariners are in on the trek Scooble conversations this offseason.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I think that's sounds crazy.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
It does sound crazy, especially yeah, to be like, oh, yeah,
we should add something.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
We already have a lot of.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
But yeah, I mean I wouldn't if they did it,
I'd be like, Okay, good for you. If they do
get him, I want him to go to somebody in
the National League that we never see.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, if he did it, I mean, yeah, you would
be excited about it for sure. It just doesn't seem
I just don't think the Tiger can change his stripes
that much. It's like, okay, maybe that's like the Tiger
trying like bedazzle his stripes. Yeah, you're going to really
figure out scrapbooking between now and the end of the winter,
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mister Tiger.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
I'm down with it. Go ahead, watch a YouTube video.
Get it done. The dazzle those bad boys.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
I dazzle those bad boys all right.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Coming up in our final hour, al Kiniski will join
us at nine point thirty, also talk about the college
football playoff ranking.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's um.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Ever gonna want to go to Madison, Wisconsin again Cleveland?
Any interested in that ever in the future?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
M I mean, ye had a We had some great
wings with Softy and I at the bar on Friday.
It's really good, David spotted I tried some spotted cow.
Is that what is called spotted cow beer? It was
really good. That was good. So only get it in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that was good.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Fast ball mug halfball game.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Was not good. Yeah, football game was was was not optimal?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Gentlemen, How shocked were you by the way that they played?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I I am this is full honesty, and I'm in
trans are we on the radio? Okay? On the radio
live everywhere? Now? I do not recognize this team on
the road. Sometimes, guys, I cannot, for the life of
me understand the transparency of what a team can do
certain situations. And I know it's experience, and I know
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it's emotion, and I know you're in situations. If you
look at it and finally break down the film and
see the way the offense played, the Wisconsin defense is
very good. Okay. I have to give a lot of
credit to their defense. They are full of some very
good talent, they're discipline, they were as advertised, they played
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the toughest schedule in the country, and that that needs
to be a little bit of credit. It just isn't
all what Washington didn't do on offense. On the other side,
that offense completely flipped from a scheme. They went to
a running scheme. The punter had the longest pass play,
the most completion yards. They lost their starting quarterback with
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an injury on the second drive, and then a freshman
came in and they wanted It's an ugly, dirty football game,
and there's a lot of things to clean up, and
mistakes were made capitalized, didn't do a few things that
I would have thought Demon Williams. And again, as healthy
as this team is, guys going into this game, they
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come out completely unhealthy. Again, So this is football. There's
no sympathy. Okay, I've been through all of it. We
all watch football. Football is about injuries and dealing with
adversity and playing in one of the worst weather games
I've ever seen. You just you deal with it. That's
the fun of playing in college football and going on
the road, and you got to learn to embrace road
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games or your program is never going to get over
the hump.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I mean, ultimately, there's a lot of things that are
frustrating about watching that game, and yet you're right, there's
some elements that were involved in different variables. To me,
it feels like just if one goes different, if Jonah
Coleman doesn't get dinged up, or you can you can
give him the ball a little bit more, you'll probably
end up finding a way to pull that one out.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
How is he? Is he good to go? Is he
going to be fine moving forward? Do you know?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah? I mean coming out a halftime coach fish, is
you know Denzel fine? Jonahs fine? He had a knee
brace on. But I'll be agree with you guys. We
could run the football. I mean, I don't know, if
you run it, they wouldn't have mattered. I don't think
it would have mattered the way they played their defense,
the way it was held the false starts behind the sticks.
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The field position game was tremendous. If you look at
the average start line, I think our average start was
around the twenty six are twenty six, and I think
give you at Wisconsin, they were their own forty eight,
if not better. So the field position game was tremendous.
And that difference in the flip and you miss a
field goal, you go for a forty nine yard field goal,
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you get it blocked. I know there's questions on that.
That's why I'm not the coach. I just call the
game and look at it. In retrospect, I would have
went for it, but again I'm not the coach. It's
or I might even punted it just to try to
pin it inside the five yard line, and I don't
know that. There's just so many things. It doesn't make
any sense because at the end of a half there's variables.
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But when you perform like that on the road, you're frustrated.
Everybody in that locker room is frustrated, the coaches are frustrated.
Now you're out of the college football playoff talk and
you're trying to bust your butt to finish with these
next three games. And they're very important. When you talk
about the building of the program.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You know, you mentioned the weather. It did look like
the game was being played in a like a snow globe,
and Luke Fickle looked like it was like bring it out.
He was like Fickle the snowman, Like it was like
it gave him life. It gave him like energy. On
the sideline, See didn't seem to be phased by it
at all, but our quarterback was he phased? Was demon
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Williams bothered by the conditions of the game.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Do you think, Yeah, I think, well, who wouldn't be.
I mean, you don't train in that, that's not possible.
So you just have to react when you're in games
of that nature. It's the mistakes that you look back on.
And I always you'll hear me say it every week. Guys,
you got to win the six There's six plays in
every game that if you flip them in either one direction,
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there's a completely different outcome. The interception, that's a long interception.
That's a major mistake. You drive that football, you get
another field goal. You all there's no need to go
deep on that second down. You throw it deep, you
throw it into double coverage, interception, protect the football inside
your own twenty yard line, trying to move it out,
you scramble, you're loose with the football. They we turn
(06:01):
it over with a fumble right there. Just those two plays, guys,
if I take those two changes, even if you protect
the football, you get off the field, you punt it,
make them go. They get a touchdown off of that turnover.
That's it. That's the football game right there, those two plays.
So it's a young man learning how to play football
in difficult situations. He tried to do it on his
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own at the end, but they tackled him well, they
ran him down. Even on the last play of the game,
he tried to make a play, they closed the gap.
I'm not saying he's trying to do too much, but
I will tell you this, if you cannot run the football,
every other team we've played, other than maybe Illinois, has
been able to run the football successfully against us, and
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that managed to control the clocket, did a good job
of managing football position and field position. We have not
had one hundred yards on the ground with Jonah Coleman
since UC Davis. These are the glaring things of the
offensive line and the group and now you have Land
and Hatchet out drew as a party is now out.
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You had to pay play Poky Final who was the
left guard stepping in for John Mills. He moves to
right tackle because Sewani fa Solo had a couple of
false starts, they moved him out. So now you went
from being the number of the line. Was good And
for Land and Hatchet guys to try to play left handed,
never seen it in my life. Guys. He played with
a club on his right hand, and I embraced the
(07:29):
fact that he is tough and he wants to be
out there. Gentlemen, there isn't any offensive line in the
country that can play with one hand. You have to
be able to grab and snap with your left hand.
You're not left handed, So that to me was I mean,
I applaud his ability to go, but then Henning had
(07:50):
to go in and it just is you can't. There's
just a lot of things that ended up being flipped
on their head a little bit, just.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
As Cam I mean, going a little bit more into
the demon Williams part of it. I mean, there's got
to be a fine line, and I'm sure you understand
it far more than I do of that, not trying
to do too much, but also you need to be
the dynamic, you know guy that you are. And yet
there's a youth part of it. Obviously he's a young kid.
And so how quickly can you close the gap to
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find where that happy spot that being in the zone
part of it where you're throwing the ball. But you
also know in the back of your mind you can
take off and run when you want or when you
need to. How big is that gap and how quickly
can that gap close?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, that's at I watch each game and I get
really analytical into the play call and the design and
how his patience is. Look, this is this is to
me as clear as is day. If you watch him
in deep throws or any play action, he has to
get five and six yards deep sometimes seven okay, and
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it can drop all the way into ten sometimes, and
that is because of vision. Vision means more depth. So
if he does start to run, he's already ten to ten,
eight to ten yards back before he starts his scramble. Okay.
So if you can't always feel comfortable in the pocket
with height and vision, again, it's a real thing. It's
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not a deterrent it's just a real issue. You have
to have designed runs for him, and so you either
have to move the pocket, have more boots, have more
edge runs, have more move But I can't. I'm not
at the point where I can put my finger on
exactly what would what the main can It's not concerns
(09:38):
to me. It's just running the football changes everything, guys,
with a running game, it just does. And I think
the way Jed wants to be able to throw the
football too, and the elements and the way demand can
his vision and he has good wide receivers, but Denzel
goes down in the second half, he's not the same
intermediate short throws something to get the ball out of
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his hands faster. I'm not gonna tell anybody how to
run their system and their offense. You just need to
have more fluidity. But it starts with being able to
win by running the football.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, you always are real with us. I'll be real
with you. I think Demon Williams says a lot of
things crazy great. I think he has terrible pocket presence,
terrible cam uh.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I that's I mean, I'm not gonna sit Okay, that's
that's fair. Check. Everybody has their own deciphering and how
they call and look at an offense. I don't think
he has terrible pocket pocket presence. I think he has
I think he has what's called it's it's called like
there's a time clock in his head when he goes
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one two, and his eyes immediately go down because it's condensed.
And then it's like scatter, I gotta get out. I
gotta find a lane. I gotta find a spot. And
here's my other thing is that a lot of offenses
to have intermediate back protection, but they slide and the
back checks down to one side. I don't see a
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lot of easy like hey, when there's a problem going on, like, hey,
where's my back? How do I check it down? Where's
my tight end to the check? Where's my easy throw?
It's just like if I don't have it and it's
not deep, I got to get out of here. And look,
that's him learning how to play. But I know being
in the pocket for him, he does not feel very
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comfortable being in the pocket and holding in there.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Cam Cleveland is with us every Wednesday. The former Husky
tight end legend also color analyst for your Washington Huskies
every game right here at sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM and our conversation with him, brought to you
by Warrior Injury Law Battle Tested. All right, well to
have to talk about I have to ask you about
the big topic this week. Jedfish was taking a little
(11:47):
bit to task at his press conference about whether or
not he's happy here at Washington. He said the right things,
and yet people are just convinced that there's smoke, and
where there's smoke, you know how the saying goes. So
I mean, what do you know? What can you tell us?
What do you feel comfortable telling us about this topic?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, guys, I know what you know. I do. I
don't have any in depth analysis. I really like Jed
as a person. I met him a couple of times,
talk to him. I think he is And here's my
full on real stance again, I had to preface this
is that he was hired to do a job. And
every coach in this country is hired to do a job.
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That's how I look at it anymore. He's hired to
coach these young men, recruit, does an excellent job there,
does an excellent job talking to the media, is very personable,
his staff, like every single one of these guys, They're
a joy to talk to. He recruits good kids. He
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is hired to do a job, and this loyalty facet
and does somebody want to stay Heck, I don't even
know if I want to stay in my house from
twenty four hours to the next. I can't make that
kind of jeed. I don't. I might want, I might
want new Cereal this morning, Okay, But I do know
I like this, and I do know I can I
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can do this. He knows how to coach football, all right.
I'm never ever in the business of telling people what
to do or make them feel guilty in any of
that nature. I am loyal to the Purple and Gold,
and I will be until I take the dirt nap.
This will not be. He will not be here for
all of my life span, and we will see multiple
coaches probably in the future. This where we're at right now.
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I support the guys and the people that are on
that staff. And that's that's what I know, and that's
and that's why I embrace every seasons as an opportunity.
And I tell each player, man, you guys, get as
much as you can, as fast as you can, because
this thing flips on ahead. We've dealt with it with
coach Pete. We saw with Jimmy Kaylen came in, we
thought we found is like Nope, that's out of here.
(13:53):
And here we are with Jed. I was under one staff,
I was coach as recruiting class and and all of
a sudden since new heisl, it's been an absolute flip
and flip and flip and flip and flip at this
Washington program. And I think that this whole program needs
to take a look at what it takes to find
the right person. But right now Jed is our guy,
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and I'm gonna support that one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
How how detrimental is it, because you know, I mean,
I don't blame him for giving the talk that he
did and saying, you know, basically, I like it here
and that's what he's supposed to say. And that doesn't
mean he's staying and doesn't mean he's going. He just
is giving the thing that he has to give. He
has to say what he has to say. And yet
he did express the throwing my name into the conversation
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simply because to some degree you've made the bed of
you might be a bit of a nomad. You have
traveled around a lot, and yet at the same time,
that doesn't mean that you weren't in love with being
here and don't want to stay here and so, but
he's saying it's unfair or it's it makes my job
harder because of the NonStop twenty four seven three sixty
five recruiting that goes on in today's game. How difficult
(15:01):
does it make that if he's trying to go into
a living room and yet they just read an article saying, well,
he might want to go on Florida or he might
want to go somewhere else. Is it really undercut him
in that way?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, I think it does. I think it did distracts
from what the real real issue is, is that you're
trying to hire or your livelihood depends on eighteen to
twenty year old young men, twenty two year old young
men and guys parents, parents that want something that's parents
(15:32):
like I'm a parent to I don't talk to the couch. Hey,
how you doing good? See you? That's it. They're men.
But the parents, agents, parents, agents, kids agents. It's insanity
the crap you have to deal with and to be
a real CEO, and that's what he is. He's a CEO. Yes,
it does distract from it. His job is to coach
(15:53):
young men and win football games. And nobody's going to
feel sorry for it, though, because that's that's the business.
We're in, very highly compensated, and it's a performance based business.
So if you don't perform at a certain level, and
everybody's got a voice, right, everybody's got an X account,
everybody's got free YouTube. I mean, how many more YouTube
(16:14):
podcasts do we need of guys in their basements telling
us of what's wrong. I mean, it's all over the place,
and everybody's an expert, so these are the voices. The
best coaches don't listen and they tune it all out,
and the ones that ask and the ones that sit
on the game day and they talk about it. That's fine.
You have to address it. That's part of your job,
all right.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Last minute, we should spend at least a minute on
produce sixteen and a half point favorites. But coming off
your worst performance of the year, we don't have to
worry about the boiler Makers.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Do we? We should worry about every game from here on.
Al gentlemen, I don't make guarantees at any point. I
think Purdue's got some good players. I certainly have watched
the film. They are two and eight, They've been in
some situations. They have a couple of really good athletes.
Have to go on the road and play in Husky Stadium.
I would like to see an angry Husky football team.
(17:04):
But then I don't know what Jonah Coleman is going
to look like. Adam Muhammad ran very well. You you
don't know what Denzel's gonna look like. So that means
your wide receiver room is way down. Okay, if he's
done and it I mean we were talking way down
the offensive line, what's that gonna look like? All in retrospect, though,
(17:24):
our defense played very well. Yeah, so it did some
very very good things. Coach Walter's got these guys. They
look healthy. The concern now is how much can demand
take a game over and and be competitive versus these
last three games, because you got to win at home,
you got to go on the road, and then you
have your biggest game of the year against a very
(17:46):
very very good Oregon team who has got a lot
of confidence and deservedly so. They've played well. So it
just starts this week.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, you the man.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Great stuff, great stuff, appreciate it. We'll be listening this Saturday.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Thanks Fellow's talk soon.
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three point three KJRFM. Yeah, I'm so pumped for this game.
I'm like, I'm like Stacey from Twalaton, you know, just
coming out like greeting the morning, greeting the mountains, singing
(18:50):
the Blue.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Jays, cozy cup of coffee, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Exactly, you know, maybe like a raspberry scone. Yeah, and
I've already got a glass of pino.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Oh you're starting your morning.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
All right, that's how.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Excited I am about RAM Seahawks coming up this Sunday.
Before we dive into it, do you want to let
you know the Seattle International Auto Show.
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Seahawks RAMS this Sunday. We've already talked about this morning
at great length. The coaching matchup and how incredible it is, well,
no less than credible is this quarterback matchup? I'm not
sure if I mean, what would you have said at
the beginning of the year had I told you midway
(19:59):
through the year Matt Stafford and Sam Donald are both
going to be top five MVP candidates.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
What I would have believed you.
Speaker 8 (20:11):
This reckless at breakfast, had too much pino.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
I would have been surprised. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't
be crazy surprised. I suppose with with Stafford, oh no, yeah,
but both both of.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Them, Yes, I would have been. I would have been surprised.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
And that's a little bit shortsighted on my part, or
or apprehensive, I guess would.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Be a better word of whether or not Donald was going.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
To play like he did majority of last year or
how he did at the end of last year.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I don't think that that short sighted of you at all.
I don't think that the resume there was to support
that Sam Donald was I mean there was a there's
enough resume and enough momentum that supported that maybe he
would be better with.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Us, as good as he was a year ago, and
maybe a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But I don't think there was anything about his history
that suggested he was going to be mentioned with Josh Allen,
which right now he's even with in the MVP.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Odds in some circles. And that's what.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We're dealing with right now in the MVP race, is
Sam Darnold's being thought of as having as good a
season as anyone in the national Football Again, Matt Stafford
is the favorite right now, favorite at MGM, favorite Vegas
insider that averages all the different sportsbook He is the
favorite right now to win the MVP Award, something that
(21:27):
he's never done.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
This year. I mean, they added.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Devonte Adams and we still don't know if devont Adams
even going to play in this game.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
As a matter of fact, this is kind.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Of crazy because coaches are so tight lipped about injuries.
The real place to find information, for some reason is
fantasy websites. They I don't know where they get the information,
but they're usually more accurate than just about anybody else.
I don't know where they're getting it from, but they
say that they wouldn't be surprised if he missed a
game or two a couple of the fantasy websites. So
(21:59):
maybe he's not playing this week. But to have that
dual wide receiver thing going right now and Matt Stafford
is just he's a pig and pooh these days. I
mean the offense, Sean mcvayh calling his plays to elite
wide receivers that he has to throw to. I remember
at the beginning of the year, I said this about
(22:19):
our fantasy football draft. Matt Stafford did not get drafted
in our fantasy draft, or if he did, it was
really late in the process. He was a free agent
at one point, and I said, why is he being
rated solo? If you're saying Mankua is a first round
value and Adams is at worst a third round.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Value, who do you think is gonna be throwing them footballs?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I mean, he's obviously set up to have a very
good season, and right now he's sixth in fantasy points
and he's number one in MVP.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, I didn't think Devanta Adams was going to be
quite as good. I kind of felt like he's getting.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Ready to go over the hill or on the already
on the back side of it.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
But Pooka Naku, I think everybody read recognized how good
he is. And and yet, I mean, when you end
up getting halfway through the season and yet twenty five
touchdowns to two interceptions, he's.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Got five more touchdown passes than anyone else.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean, he's doing some pretty special things. And
again I think that the stats kind of show that
they run the ball about the same as the Seahawks,
And yet the little bit of that I've watched of
Rams football. I watched every snap like I have the Seahawks.
But when I've watched it, it still seems it seems more efficient.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I don't know why.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Maybe it's just highlights than the Seahawks, even though the
numbers are about the same.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
To me, the.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Seahawks look like, huh look pretty damn aficion.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
No not offense, running the ball, running the ball, but
their stats are like the same. Basically, they're both somewhere
around one hundred and ten to one hundred and fifteen
yards per game is what they rush for both teams.
And yet it feels to me like Matthew Stafford Stafford
and the Rams offense. It seems like the you know
how you always say, you know, a balanced offense is
(24:03):
when you can run the ball when you need to
run the ball, or pass the ball when you need
to pass the ball. It feels to me like there's
times when I watch the Seahawks offense and as good
as it's been and it's been great, that it's like,
I really wish we could run the ball right here,
and then they don't or they can't or it's just
not as efficient that said the balance of Karen Williams.
(24:23):
I think also just kind of adds something to the
mix where they're not going like a one in one A.
They have a distinct number one, and then everybody else
that runs the ball after that is different, And I
think it opens it up a little bit for Stafford
and McVeigh the way they call the game.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, I see, I keep hearing this, and I would imagine,
I would imagine over the long haul more often than
not that it is true. And so I know why
people are beating this drum. But what I've seen from
the twenty twenty five Seahawks is I don't think Sam
Donald needs running a running a effectiveness to be great,
(25:02):
and I don't think Sam Darnold needs to spread the
ball around the field clear when JSN can't be covered.
So I understand that those are sort of cardinal rules
that you should try to live by and should subscribe
to because history says that that's the way that you
are most effective as an offense. But until I see
(25:23):
evidence that they have to have this running game that's
yet to get uncorked, or they have to incorporate Tory
Horton to get more touches during the course of the game.
I mean, I'm sure that those comments are true. But
right now I'm seeing a guy week in and week
out that doesn't have an effective running game, doesn't need
(25:45):
it to set up his play action pass, and absolutely
has eyes for one receiver, and that dude can't be stopped.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
And so I don't know, I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I'm not worried that we can't run the football this
week against the law Los Angeles Rams. I think the
Rams should be worried that they can't cover JSN.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
That's what I think should be worried.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Well, I think both teams have their things to worry about,
and I'm with you. I mean, until that time comes
that that they don't run the ball and it turns
into a mistake filled game or or a game in
which the offense doesn't show up. And yet the reason
it is a cardinal rule is because eventually somebody's gonna
lock JSN down, or he's gonna drop a ball, or
there's gonna be a I know that passes.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
To run the ball with Patrick Mahomes when that offense
was really cooking, they that was always an issue with them,
and they just passed their way out of trouble.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And you know, I mean, if Sam Darnold can start
playing like Patrick Mahomes for a few years.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
And he is right now, right in front of our freaking.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Eyes, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Those eye holes those are showing you, Patrick Mahomes, then
do your thing, Sam. I mean, I just think there's
you want to be able to lean on the other side.
I'm not trying to take away from it, I'm not.
I mean, I think the way the newitch he's has
been magnificent. It's they're still attempting to run the ball.
That's the thing. Like it's he he's not throwing the
(27:08):
ball as much as Matt Stafford is, and yet he's
got the same amount of yards, right, I mean, it's
Pukainaku has more receptions than JSN does, but not even
close to as many yards. So it's they're they're passing
the ball more, but then when they do run the ball,
it's more efficient. Like I remember when I first started
doing this, I was talking about the old school saying
(27:28):
if you got to run the ball to set up
the pass, Well that's not the case anymore. You can
pass the ball to set up the run, and I'm
just saying I think that they do that. We passed
the ball. The Seahawks pass the ball. It just doesn't
sometimes set up the runner. It doesn't feel like it's
set up the run. And yet they stick with it.
They're still handing the ball off and trying to be
as balanced as they can be to where you're not
(27:50):
getting one sided, and I think that's still smart.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, they're averaging thirty and a half points per game, Like,
I don't think they should change anything even though the
running game doesn't look all that effective. I'm just gonna
bet that there's something too. Running at that much keeps
the defense on its heels and has to keep them
honest on play action pass and it is to whatever degree,
(28:16):
helping Sam Darnold be as efficient and effective as he's being.
So I'm not going into the Rams game saying, Hey,
that run game is not working, it's just abandon it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Let's just throw the ball every time.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Now, run it as much as you've been running, and
set up Sam to be as great as what he's
been so far this season, and let's see if that's
better than the Rams can put forth on Sunday. I'm
certainly not gonna adjust anything, Ashley. In the meantime, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna change things up just as
I'm getting ready to play my biggest game of the year.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
No, you can't.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
And yeah, looking at so, JSN obviously number one receiver, right,
and then you've got pukinakuas third. But pukinakup Is yardage
and DeVante adams yardage combine only three hundred yards more
on what JSN has, and they.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
And they've both been great, both exactly.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
But that's what I'm saying, like, and that's only three
hundred yards more than what JSN has by himself.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, just do what you're doing, Kobeak.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I mean, I mean, if it falls on its face
against the Rams, then you gotta go back to the
drawing board because you're gonna have to beat them eventually.
If you're gonna get where you want to go, you're
gonna have to get through the rams at some point.
But I'm certainly not going to change it up now.
I just keep doing what you're doing. Maybe the running
game breaks loose, Yeah, maybe it does. Maybe maybe we
get a huge ken Walker game that carries the day
(29:34):
on Sunday. So keep doing what you're doing. But I'm
not gonna change things until I feel like I have to.
And right now, this team man's they're just smoking right now.
But so are the Rams. That's why it's just a
fascinating game. It's micked fantastic.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
It is all right. Coming up next.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Tonight, the cy Young Award will be announced and will
it go to a Yeattle Mariner Sports Radio ninety three
point three kja RFM. You know what, That's what I
was kind of thinking, skiings and scooball and skater boy.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
That's what you were doing.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'll combined weird person I am vote in Las Vegas's
Best Talent and Best Impersonator.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
America's Got Talent winner.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Terry Fader is going to be performing Saturday, November fifteenth
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Service free, service fee free at Tulaylup and Quilcita Casino
one club desks. That's right, Terry Fader, go check him
out tonight. Not much intrigue to this Cy Young announcement. Yeah,
Dan Wilson finished third. We went into it last night
(30:44):
not thinking he was going to win, but thought there
was a chance.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Nobody else really has a chance.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
We kind of know who's winning the sy Young Award tonight,
Trek Scooble's a fifteenth minus fifteen thousand favorite and Skiens
minus fifty thousand favorite. So we're gonna have a situation
where we've had back to back Managers of the Year
in both leagues and back to back cy Young Award
winners in both leagues. Wait, minut did Skans win last year?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah? I think so?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, And did show Hey win it last year?
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Are they last year? Okay? I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
If he still hit eighty homers and stole a ninety
seven bases hit the MVP, Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Then,
so did Judge win it last year too? Because if
it'd be weird, if it's just everybody's back to back
to back all across all of the major.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Categories, is gonna win?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yeah, well let's hope.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, you're right, though cy Young wise doesn't seem like
it's much of a contest. We we kind of are.
We are watching a couple unbelievable dudes. I mean, there's
a lot of really great pitchers out there. But Trek
school and Paul Sken's kind of just are different, for sure, for.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Sure, And we got a little taste of that in
the postseason. Even though we had success against him, we
didn't have success against him, that makes any sense.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Yeah, we beat them, but it wasn't like we were
just dominating him.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, just making sure no, no, no, Chris
Sale won last year. So strike that from the red
It was not Paul Stein.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So yes, it was. So Chris Sale won the Cy
Young Award last year.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And so it won't be back to back in the
National League, but it will be back and back in
the American League. And I'm wondering, will Trek's scooble show
up in a Tiger's hat or a Mariner's hat?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Can you believe that this is actually a thing that
people think might happen that, Yes, I do believe Trek
Scooble not only could get traded this offseason, I think
he will get traded this offseason, but to the Mariners.
I wouldn't have I wouldn't guess that in a billion years.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Well, I would have a hard time thinking the Mariners
would would pony up for it. But then again, I
don't know, man. I mean, it's the Tiger changing stripes
type of a thing. But at the same time, this
is the first time this front office, not this ownership group,
but this front office has been at this point in
where you're at, where you're not. You're not in any
(33:14):
sort of rebuild. You're in a you're locked and loaded.
Make sure you have every piece of ammal you can get.
And if the Detroit you know, Tigers are wanting to
sell off the best left handed pitcher, and right there
is one of the best pictures in the on the planet.
I'm definitely taking a phone call if.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They get him, though I think it's only a one
year kind of rental thing. Yeah, and maybe that's where
they might have changed their stripes. I don't think they're
going to change their stripes to the tune of paying
Errek's scouble ten years, four.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I just don't think it's in the organization. So to me,
I don't want to give up as much as it
would take to get Trek scouble for one year when
that's already a strength, if not the strength of the team.
As much as I'd love to have him and as
much as he might provide the difference next season, he
might be just that great that he pushes us over
(34:11):
the top and wins We win the World Series.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
And that would be worth it. That would be worth
it if it came with a guarantee. Yeah, could we
get that, Yeah, that you're going to win a World Series.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
But I it's really shocking that these rumors. I mean,
and it's not just Adam Jude talking about. It's not
just Buster only. It's all over the place that the
Mariners are in on the trek Scooble conversations this offseason.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I think that's sounds crazy.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
It does sound crazy, especially yeah, to be like, oh, yeah,
we should add something.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
We already have a lot of.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
But yeah, I mean I wouldn't if they did it,
I'd be like, Okay, good for you. If they do
get him, I want him to go to somebody in
the National League that we never see.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, if he did it, I mean, yeah, you would
be excited about it for sure. It just doesn't seem
I just don't think the Tiger can change his stripes
that much. It's like, okay, maybe that's like the Tiger
trying like bedazzle his stripes. Yeah, you're going to really
figure out scrapbooking between now and the end of the winter,
(35:08):
mister Tiger.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
I'm down with it. Go ahead, watch a YouTube video.
Get it done. The dazzle those bad boys.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
I dazzle those bad boys all right.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Coming up in our final hour, al Kiniski will join
us at nine point thirty, also talk about the college
football playoff ranking.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
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