November 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Aaron Judge wins the MVP over Cal and let’s be honest… 17 of 30 voters just flat out got it wrong. Yes, Aaron Judge had an amazing season, but if you compare the entirety of both player’s complete work this season, it seems hard to believe that Cal wouldn’t stand out. :30- Seahawks vs Rams on Sunday: what’s a stake … for Sam Darnold? :45- It’s time for our No Cliché Keys to Victory! What will it take for the Seahawks to get the win over the Rams? No (some) cliches allowed!
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So I can promise you over our course of our
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got that down on lock. But we're going to start
with baseball today because we were dealt the disappointing news
last night that the nation didn't recognize what we knew,
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and that is that Kyle Raley is the most valuable player,
or was the most valuable player this year in the
American League. And it was close. He got forty three
I think I said thirty nine, forty three percent of
the first place votes, but that wasn't enough. He and
Judge got either first or second on all thirty ballots.
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But Aaron Judge does, in fact win the American League
MVP in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, they got that wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I think they got it wrong too. I mean, I
mean I said this at the beginning of the playoffs,
and it sounds like an odd thing to say, but
I said, when Dan Wilson was trying to make his
decision on who he's going to start number one starter,
I like, there's not a bad decision, but there is
a wrong decision. And I know that sounds weird, but
now I get to use it again. I don't think
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there was a bad decision to make between Judge and Raleigh,
but I think there is a distinct wrong decision to make,
and seventeen people out of thirty made the wrong decision.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean that really.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean it's like three people had a better idea.
I mean, I'm with you. It's not wrong decision. I mean,
it's not like Aaron Judge didn't isn't deserving of an MVP.
It's just when you're measuring the two I don't think
it's I don't think it's particularly close. We did discuss that,
and it just as Cal rowly what he did. I mean,
Aaron Judge even said in his acceptance actually as before
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they announced it, they were asking him what's it like
to be the captain and all the pressure of playing,
you know, in New York and wearing the pinstripes. And
he's like, yeah, there's a lot, you know, but it's
what I.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Want to do. I like. I like the limelight.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I like thee When I was a free agent, I
wanted to come back and play here. It's and then
he goes, it's not like what Cal does you know?
Catching all that and the abuse that he takes, and
I mean even he basically kind of says, yeah, I
don't do near as much as that guy does. Now
obviously he's not going to turn it in or say, hey, Cal,
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you deserve this. I mean, I know I had a
way better offensive season than you, but you did, you
did way more. But to me, that's where I don't
know if somewhere in the translation the most valuable is
is different than the most outstanding, or how if there's
more weight put into the overarching offensive, you know, prowess
that goes into it, and not enough rewarded or awarded
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to the defensive acumen that somebody brings to the table.
But yeah, I think they got it wrong. I mean,
it's a bummer because Aaron Judge is a generational hitter,
without a doubt him, He's a generational player. He's pretty
damn good in the outfield too. Really, he was most
certainly before he started getting hurt a couple for the
last couple of years. But I mean, he's a generational player.
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And this is Cal's career year. I mean, I don't
expect him to go out and hit sixty. I expect
him probably maybe forty might be the ceiling or the
floor of what his career home run numbers are going
to be.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But he's not ever going.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
To hit three forty and hit sixty home runs and
be up there probably in this where is Aaron Judge?
This is probably who we're going to see for the
you know, the foreseeable futures. Is a dude that just
hits over three hundred and hits fifty plus homers and
probably is an MVP candidate every year.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't but I don't want Cal to win it.
Because of that, I don't want I mean, it was
it's the old Michael Jordan debate, like, oh boy, Michael's
probably gonna win it next year, So Charles isn't going
to have a better season than this, Let's give it
to Barkley. I don't want Cal to win it that way.
I don't want like special consideration to be given to
cal because he might not have another career year like this,
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but Judge probably will. But just standing on its merits alone,
I mean every I mean it was, it was a
razor close evaluation from most people. And I think that
certainly the vote came down that way. And I do
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think and this is something that you and I have
disagreed upon. I do think that everybody who vote for
that voted for this, even the ones that voted for Judge,
recognize how much more is on cal Raley's plate. It's
just how much value do you give that? Ye does
it make up for the gap and the overall offensive
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numbers that Judge put up versus Cal. I mean we're
talking about two hundred ops points. I mean, that's the
difference between you know, Julio and Miles Master Bony. Okay,
I mean that's what we're talking about here, like two
hundred w excuse me, an ops plus of like sixty
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points difference. I mean it was a sizeable gap. Offensively,
the three of us and thirteen out of thirty voters,
and god knows how many other people, not just in
Seattle but nationwide think that what Cal brought to the
table does not only bridge that gap, but overtakes that gap.
And part of that is because Judge spent so much
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time just hitting this year. Cal would have won head
to head against show Hey this year if it would
have been Cal versus show Hey, Cal would have won
the MVP and show A won unanimously. On the national
league side, because the gap between show A's numbers and
Cows weren't nearly as great as what the gap between
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Judges numbers were and Cow's. So yes, I think they
missed it. I think that Cal and everything actually that
he does bring to the table does make up for
that difference. But there were enough people that voted, and
it wasn't East Coast bias because apparently the East Coast
was the only place, but there wasn't bias.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, and seven votes for each guy.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But there were enough people who cover this sport for
a living. That decided we think that the offensive gap
is more impressive than the defensive gap and the intangibles gap.
And so that's what it came down to. And I
don't think it's right, but I at least can buy
that Aaron Judge had an MVP season this year.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, and I think you know, we have all agreed
that they're both excellent candidates. Nothing should be taking away
from Aaron Judge. The interesting thing though, is when you
think about, like, well, okay, so what is the MVP.
What is it supposed to be? Right, it's your most
valuable player? Now is that your most valuable player to
their team? Because Cal was the most valuable player to.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
His team, Well so it was Judge.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
No, but yes, But I'm saying I think that Cal
was more valuable to the Mariners than Judge was to
the Yankees for everything that he does top to bottom.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Now you could look at it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Who was the most valuable person to the league, who
had the stories being written about them every single day
because they were breaking records week after week.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Cal Rawley.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
So I would say in both those situations, he was
the more valuable player.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, I mean, I think it is supposed to be
who's the most valuable player to your team. I think
that that is the decision that they are trying to make.
There was just you know, there were just more people
out of thirty that voted that Aaron Judge was more
valuable to the Yankees than what Cal Rawley was to
the Mariners.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
We disagree with it, Yeah, that's the part I can't
figure out.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And maybe we would feel differently if we watched Judge
play every day and followed up. I mean, one of
the things that Sean Casey had said when he was
interviewing Aaron Judge was or evaluating Aaron Judge like, people
don't understand what a great human being this guy is,
And I'm like, no better than our guy.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah right, and it better than a humanitarian award either.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah true. But I mean, but also on
the flipside, we pour into so much about how how Cal,
what a leader he is, what a captain he is,
and all a Judge fulfills that exact same role and
does it with just as much dignity and just as
much class as what Cal does. Absolutely, so, I mean,
it was just two phenomenal candidates, and I really do
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think that if it was Cal versus Show, Hey, Cal
would be Cal would have walked away with the award. Unfortunately,
Judges numbers offensively across the board. I mean, he hit
three thirty. Guys aren't even hitting three hundred. Now, that's
three thirty while getting pitched around more than any batter
in all of Major League Baseball. So there's no doubt
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Aaron Judge had an MVP season, But so did Cal.
Only one gets to win it, and unfortunately, I think
they got it wrong.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, I think they got it wrong too.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I mean it's the I get the idea that how well,
it's not the idea the fact that Judges numbers offensively
were just supreme. They were They were head and shoulders
above Col's. And that's crazy because Cow hit sixty homers. No,
but again, it's not like he hit twenty eight homers
and hit three forty and.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know, more home runs and RBI.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean it's but I mean it's he didn't.
It wasn't by a ton, and yet the batting average
and on base percentage and walks and all of the
stuff that equate to that ops being substantially bigger. Yeah,
Judge was without a doubt better offensively, and yet it
to me, it it just shows that, Yeah, well the people,
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the thirty people, and I don't understand how it's just thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
People the one it's one per market.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't ever want anything of
substance being decided by thirty people. And so of the
thirty people, you know, they all agreed that it's definitely
was between Judge and cal There was no discrepancy on that,
so they weren't far off. It's just that, basically, I
think seventeen of them don't understand the difference between defensively.
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They don't put the same amount of weight on that
versus the two hundred points in ops. I of course
that they recognize, Wow, catching is far dough tougher than
playing right field and dhing some right, they obviously understand it,
and they weigh that. I just don't think they put
enough weight into it. That's why I think it's wrong.
That's why I've been saying the whole time. I don't
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think it should be particularly close. I thought it was
going to be close. I was right there with you,
kind of thinking I wouldn't be surprised if they go
with Aaron Judge because of the eye popping thing that
just is you can't you don't have to be that knowledgeable.
You don't have to be the most knowledgeable to be
able to recognize that offensive year that Judge did is
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outste It's so outstanding that it makes it dwarfs the
outstanding offensive season that Cal had. Now Col's I think
is just has there's different stuff to it. And this
is where if I do have bias, that it'll go
into it where it's I have a hard time not
adding extra weight to the fact that it's switch hitting
and that it's you know, twenty homers for the first
time ever from each side of the plate that anybody's
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ever done, and the people's names that he broke for
switch hitting home runs and for catching home runs. And
that's where it's like, Okay, now, I know that I'm
kind of grasping its straws to some degree to give
more credence and more credit to it. But really just
the bottom line, without the bias involved in the fact
that I like him, and I actually like Aaron Judge too,
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it just boils down to I just I just think that,
plain and simple, the entirety of his work was far
more valuable than the entirety of Aaron Judge's work. I mean,
if it's you want to say, forty more hits, Okay,
that's once every four days he got an extra hit,
then cal that's that's not drastic to me. Now, over
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the course of the full season, obviously it turns into
higher numbers and better numbers. And yet there's just so
many seventeen thousand pitches Calcott, and I mean it's like
there's just there's just something about it that just is
it rubs me the wrong way. And I just think
that there's something missed by those that are voting. And
I just wish three others, three others would have went
the other way.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I mean, it was closed. I don't think though, I
don't think that this is a sports writer thing. I
think that former baseball players, I mean, we might have
had the exact same result. I mean, I've logged a
lot of hours watching MLB Network, and I told you
closer we were getting to this thing. The more that
those former players were talking about Aaron Judge, I think that.
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I mean, I don't think this is baseball writers don't
recognize the significance. They do. But I do think that
baseball players might have come up with the exact same
result that what we have because.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
It current players voted him the most outstanding player of
the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But okay, but that process, well then if that's what
then celebrated, Yeah, I mean, if that process, I don't
even know what the rules are behind that process because
it's not even recognized as a legitimate award.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So I don't even know what that process is. I mean,
it could have been just like ballots were left out
someday and some guys filled it out, some guys didn't.
I have no idea. This has been a calculated process
that they've been doing for a number of years. So,
I mean, so I don't know if you just isolated
one player from every single team like they do in
this process, if we would have had the exact same
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result with Aaron Judge. I can just tell you. Listening
to former players on MLB Network, they were leaning toward
Judge too. I mean, and those are guys that certainly
played the game recognized the value of cal Raley and
what their what their repeated message was was, don't get
numb to how amazing Aaron Judge is, just because you've
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seen him put together a season like this before. That
was their repeated message. We disagree with it, but I
don't know if it was. If they actually had the
same funneling process and you used players or former players
or managers, if we would have ended up with a different.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Result, would be interesting. Yeah, I would, Yeah, it would
be an interesting experiment.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'd like to know, But I'm not sure that we would.
I mean maybe we would. All right, let's find out
what's on tap for the show today?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
What's untep?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
All right, Aaron Judge edges cow for al MVP. We'll
talk more about it in the Friday O Show Today show.
A one is fourth MVP on the National League side
of second in the National League and very funny. He
kissed his dog. That was his celebration. If hugged them both,
it might be like good jap And you don't do
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that in public.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I don't know. Is that like a Japanese thing? You
don't show affection on television.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
I mean there is some differences in how they show affection.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I will say that. And now that the award shows
are over, because there was an award show afterwards, And
by the way, Cal and Julio were named All MLB
this year first Team and that award show, and then
Wu and Munjos were named the second team, so congratulations
to them. That's not something that gets talked about a lot.
We always talk about the All Pro Team at the
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end of the NFL season, But I don't know if
I don't, I don't even remember them doing this.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, we probably don't very often have a Mariner on it,
so maybe we don't have a reason to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it is new. I don't think it's brand new.
I think they've done it before. But I do think
like the award ceremony and all of that stuff might
be new. I could be wrong about that. But now
the Stove offseason does officially begin, and the first episode
of Stove Anders and I recorded yesterday. It is available
on our website. I can't find it either. I don't
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know how to find things.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'll grab the link and tweeted out.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But I do know that Anders and I tweeted it
out last night on x so you can find it
and we'll see if we can't get it on the
front page of the website Crack and win last night
over Winnipeg by a final score of five to three.
Jordan Eberle scored twice in the third period, so he
goes so the crack and take it. Finally, a little
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bit of an outburst of offense. They'll be facing those
baby face Sharks tomorrow. Baby sharks, Baby sharks gonna hate
us tomorrow. No, that's a great song. Tomorrow at seven o'clock?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Is that game? College basketball? Tonight? It will be U
Dub versus Wazoo eight o'clock tip. That's right, it's the
Apple Cup on the hardwood and the Husky's taking on
the Koogs. Also, the Zags in action tonight. An interesting
game for them. They're at Arizona State. It's football, you
dob host Purdue this Saturday. We'll hear a little bit
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from Rick new Isil on this game in case you
missed it. Also Thursday Night football the New England Patriots.
I knew I should have taken the under damn it.
Twenty seven to fourteen. I'm gonna lose that Penn State
bet now I know.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I am.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Twenty seven to fourteen. The final score of the Patriots
over the Jets last night to start week number eleven
of the National Football League season, and we will play
some more Factor fiction today at seven thirty five Ashley's
pick today, but most of the show will be about tomorrow,
excuse me, Sunday's game between the Seahawks and the Rams.
Greg Bell at seven oh five, Hugh Millen X's and
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O's at nine, Mike Homeran at nine thirty, and plenty
of conversation in between. As a matter of fact, what's
at stake for Sam Darnold in tomorrow's game? Interesting stupid question,
but we're going to answer it anyway. Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 5 (22:02):
Put in st what's at stake? And with Michael Stich,
I was like, well, no, stand is?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
I was?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I ever heard that song in a while? Let's play
out one? Why not?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah? Mine was better?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, it's Chuck Bucke and Ashley with you.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was nice to hear that song. I haven't heard
that a long Yeah, there you go, Yes, what's what's
that stand in this game? Is what we're going to
talk abouts. There you go, Okay, you keep you keep? Yeah?
Good justification back there Sea Hawks rams one o'clock on Sunday.
I mean everything, first base, first place is on the line,
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but just first place midway through the year. I mean,
let's be real about this. I mean, as great a game.
I mean, Mike Sander said, I don't remember being as
excited about a Seahawks regular season game. I don't remember
the last time I was this excited to watch it.
And we did a little bit of math probably seven
eight years ago maybe, and maybe we are prisoners of
the moment. But as was pointed out, and I don't
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think Greg was saying the divisions on the line on Sunday,
but Hugh did want to make clear in the roundtable
yesterday that really the winner of this game. It's a
nice win, and it gives you a game and a
half lead over the other team in the division for
the moment. You do have to face each other again, though,
and you can just eliminate, you can scrub this loss
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whoever loses it. So, I mean, it's not like the
division is on the line here in this game, but
certainly for week eleven of a eighteen week regular season. Yeah,
this is about as big as it gets.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Well, something's got to give right, I mean, you got
both of them. Are you're essentially tied at the top
of the division record wise. The Seahawks haven't lost on
the road this year, and the Rams are pretty good
at home. I think one of their losses was at home.
But they're three and one home I So to me, it's, yeah,
it's not a make or break. I mean, the team
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that loses this game could very well end up winning
the division, regardless of which one it is. So it's
not a it's not like, you know, it could become
Week seventeen or whatever when you when all the marbles
are on the table, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But I think that there's the measuring stick side of it.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Neither team I think has a really high quality win,
I don't think. I mean, I think the Rams beat
the Colts, which is a good win, I suppose, but
that was that was in Week four when we didn't
even know if the culture really that good necessarily, I mean,
they it's not that they've had that. They're not significant.
Every win in the NFL is good, and.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
This one's more significant than the most because it is
worth it's worth a win and a half I mean
for just for that alone, because you for the moment,
even though you have a chance to undo that, you,
for the moment have taken a one game lead and
you have the tiebreaker over the team that is closest
to you in the division. So that in and of
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itself makes it bigger than a normal game ten of
the regular season. But there's so much season left to
make up for it that this isn't like their meeting
in week seventeen of the season.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, that's the well, that's the idea of but it's
one of those Okay, we get to I think both
teams are feeling really good about themselves offensively, defensively. You know,
Hughes kind of pointed out a couple of times that
maybe one team is feeling really good the Seahawks special
teams wise, and the Rams maybe not so much. But
really overarching, you walk through each clubhouse and I'm pretty
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sure guys are puffed up and feeling confident about going
into this game, and yet only one of them is
gonna come out victorious. And so I think there's something
to that. There's you don't want to be playing that
second matchup, you know, in week sixteen, where you're like,
now we have to win this right, because ultimately you
could you take a more than a step, it's called
a step and a half in the direction of winning
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the division. By winning this, it doesn't mean that you can't.
You'll take two steps back at some point while they're
taking while they're stepping up and stepping forward. So it's important,
But to me, it just feels more like the stuff intrinsically,
the stuff inside about how you'll feel about it, makes
it far bigger than even the consequences in the win
lost record.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I just think too.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I mean, obviously, to be able to have the ability
to control your own outcomes moving forward in the season. Yes,
as we said, still a lot of season left to play,
but the last thing you want is to get down
to those last three weeks of the season.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Now you're going into the Rams game.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You have to win, and you have to have other
people losing to help you get where you want to get.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
You want to be able to have it all under
your own control. And this win is.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
A big way puts you in the drivers see exactly
puts you in the driver's seat.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah. Now, I think that's a worthwhile conversation, and I
think it was worthwhile even though I don't think Greg
meant it the way that he was saying it. I
think it was worthwhile for you to just in case
people don't, let me just correct this is the season's
not on the line on stately, all right. I think
that's worthwhile to discuss. Now the worldwide leader in its
(27:06):
pathetic way to make everything seem so much larger than
it actually is. The conversation yesterday that they had on
one of the talking head shows was what's at stake
for Sam Donald?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Gosh, poor Sam Darnald.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
What's at stake for Sam Donald? If he loses, he's
a game back in the NFC West, And if he wins,
he's a game ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean, what else?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
What else would be at stake?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Are we? Are we saying that if Sam Donald doesn't
play well tomorrow, it'll.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Prove that he can't win big games, that's what they're hoping.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I think, are you trying to say that if Sam
Donald doesn't beat the Rams on Sunday that, based off
of last year's postseason struggles, he'll never beat the Rams?
I mean, there's nothing more than Sam Donald's a game
back of the Rams in the NFC. What Sam Donald
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and the Sea or a game back of the Rams
in the NFC West. If he loses on Sunday, and
if he wins, he's a game ahead, it doesn't mean
that he solved the Rams and Sam Donald has clearly
entered the conversation as best quarterback in the National Football League.
I mean, what's at stake for Sam Donald? Same thing
that's at stake for JSN or Dvante Adams or or
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you know, Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford or whoever it's that
I'll be a game up on the Rams, be a
really nice win on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
There's nothing Well, yeah, I wouldn't say there's anything that
is at stake because that, to me implies if it
doesn't go, well, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Right, what's at stake?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I would say Mike McDonald and John Schneider look at
each other after the game is over, like we clearly
have the wrong guy.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, yeah, that was working out really well. Yeah, seven
and three.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
We should reassume I'm dry. John, no row, get your helmet. Yeah,
you're getting more reps.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Can't handle this. I will say this.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
I think that there is something to if you were
thinking about the surprise. I think you maybe asked this
question yesterday to somebody, uh surprised of Matthew Stafford and
Sam Donald being in the MVP race. I wouldn't call
it what's at stake, but I would think Sam Sam
Donald goes out there and continues puts up another monster
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game against a division foe, out duels Matthew Stafford. Now
might mind you, they don't play against each other per
se when it comes to offensive jump him in the
MVP guy, I think, so that's like, what could he gain?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Big game?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
But that to me is not this And yet that's
one of those Okay, really is that a preemptive conversation
or is that something you wait until? Is that something
you wait until he kicks his ass? And then you're like, dude,
this guy, you know, this is this is for real?
That was the That was the stamp on what has
been a spectacular MVP candidacy type of first half.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean there was a time during the regular season
where maybe more of those voters, seventeen out of those
thirty voters, maybe we're gonna vote for col in mid September.
I mean, do we know, does it matter that you've
moved ahead of Matt Stafford in the MVP race at
week ten of the season on November fourteenth. So, I mean, yeah,
(30:20):
that's you're right, that's a worthwhile conversation. But I don't
think that I would put a headline across the screen.
What's at stake for Sam Donald? No MVP positioning midway
through a football season. I guess that's what's at stake
for Sam Darnold. A game in the standings, that's what's
at stake for Sam Donald on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's losing any reps.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
He could go out there and have an absolute stinker,
and it doesn't mean that we're gonna be talking about
is our quarterback controversy going into the game against Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
John, you obviously had an eye. We're better off of
Sam Donald than Gino Smith. But he can't beat the Rams. John, Yeah,
that's what's at stake.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Let's give him back to the vikings, all right, no.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Cliche Keys to victory. Next Sports Radio ninety three point
three kJ R f M. I do appreciate that Bucky
is throwing his hands up these days, even though his
heart's not in it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I mean, he seems me strong he's more in than he.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I mean, you don't keep him all the way
up like Ludacrous tells you to do.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
No, you know, it's true.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's it's all half hearted, but it's better than no hearted.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah. Well, I mean I did back in the day,
like when I was clubbing.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Oh, oh, I know you're into it. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
it was. It was the vibe, you know, it was
all about where I was at. Yeah, al stick in
your mouth possibly, yeah, quite possibly. But yeah, I don't
have that same zest. Yeah, it's just not there. I
don't feel it, you know, at six point fifty in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Now, I'm just saying I appreciate you at least half
hearting it.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah, because it turns into a stretch. I put
my arms up and then I'm like, oh, this is
a good feeling stretch.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So you're multitasking.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
All right. Well, let's time for our no cliche keys
to victory. We do this before every Seahawks game. We
go around the room, what's the key to the victory?
And please do not use a cliche like so many
lazy analysts use out there. I need something specific as
to why the Seahawks can pull off a victory against
the Rams in La on Sunday, Bucky get a start.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I mean, I think this really could be twofold for
both guys, and yet this is kind of one of
those decisive moments. We'll see quarterbacks good quarterbacks that have
bad games, and a lot of times where that happens
is holding on to the ball too long and letting
the pass rush get to him. I mean, both these
teams have some guys that can get after the quarterback.
(32:39):
Jared Vers I think is the guy that pops in
my head first. But this Byron Young Dude's got nine
sacks for them. So to me, the key is Sam
Darnold has to be decisive and he has to be
quick with it, right, Which is that processing and how
quick your processor works is the key I think to
playing really good quarterback. It sounds like, and that's what
I'm learning from Hugh Millin, is it just you got
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to throw to the right guy at the right time. Well,
that's a in a division rival matchup, I think you
have to figure out where that is quicker because they're
going to they know what you want to do and
they're going to try to take those things away, and
yet it's a double edged sword because you can't hold
on to it. If they've taken one away or even
the second option away. You've got to move through your
progression and get rid of the ball, otherwise it could
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be damage. So the key is what get rid of
the ball. He's got to be quick and decisive. He's
got to be quick and decisive. Don't hold onto the ball.
If you got to throw the thing out of the
bounds and then go ahead and do that, or if
you've got to, you know, dirt it a little bit.
Just don't hold onto that ball and let big things
happen bad way.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Ashley, what you know cliche key to victory?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I mean, you just have to play smart football.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
We've talked about all week how close these two teams
are in every aspect. So and while I recognize it's
impossible to be perfect in every aspect of the game,
you can't let your mistakes be bigger than their mistakes.
And they're very good at taking advantage of any mistakes.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
And we in the.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Second half of last week got sloppy. We made some mistakes.
You can't play that kind of football. You've got to
play the first half against Arizona. That's what you've got
to play.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Did you just hear a turnover battle?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Did you? A little bit?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
But I explained it better?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, no, not just turnovers, all mistakes.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
All mistakes.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But it was funny because when I looked at it,
I was like, Oh, we just have to win the
turnover battle because because are there. But as I was
looking at the difference, right because their turnover differential there
plus seven were minus four, like, yeah, we make a
lot more mistakes they don't.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, if it is, I mean, you can use turnover battle.
You just have to give us a specific reason why. Yeah,
turnover Did I do that? Do I need to be better?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I know you're in a gray area.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I think Bucky.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Mine was kind of is essentially leaning towards turnover battle
as well, right, admit, yeah, you well it's yeah, it's
but there's a how you got to do it because
if you don't, Yeah, yeah, turnovers could be costly.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Obviously, I'm gonna go mind no cliche. Key to Victor
is Davonte Adams. Uh, Okay, if he play, doesn't play,
we're gonna win. If he does play, then there's gonna
be a real challenge for Mike McDonald. Theyre not a
lot of teams you're gonna face. Are gonna have two
elite receivers and an elite quarterback, and they are difficult matchups.
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They're both big, they're both physical, and so you know
you can put spoon on one. Who's going are you?
Reek Willen's gonna have to play the other in man
and man situations, even in zone situations, and so Reek
Wallan's been a little spotty. He's been better as of late,
but it's this could really come down Toreek Wollan in
(35:46):
his matchup against a stronger, more physical Nikua, or Riek
Wollan's matchup against one of the great route runners in
the history of the National Football League, Davonte Adams. So
that skill and know how and wisdom versus Riek Wollan,
who's not exactly steeped in those three categories. So I
don't know how Mike McDonald will play it, but Rieke
(36:08):
Wollan is gonna have to play a big role in
this game, and he's gonna have to play well because
if DeVante Adams plays, he's gonna be matching up against
an elite receiver. Is he ready for that matchup. So
that's gonna be my Keno cliche key to Victory headlines.
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So I can promise you over our course of our
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got that down on lock. But we're going to start
with baseball today because we were dealt the disappointing news
last night that the nation didn't recognize what we knew,
(04:28):
and that is that Kyle Raley is the most valuable player,
or was the most valuable player this year in the
American League. And it was close. He got forty three
I think I said thirty nine, forty three percent of
the first place votes, but that wasn't enough. He and
Judge got either first or second on all thirty ballots.
(04:50):
But Aaron Judge does, in fact win the American League
MVP in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, they got that wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I think they got it wrong too. I mean, I
mean I said this at the beginning of the playoffs,
and it sounds like an odd thing to say, but
I said, when Dan Wilson was trying to make his
decision on who he's going to start number one starter,
I like, there's not a bad decision, but there is
a wrong decision. And I know that sounds weird, but
now I get to use it again. I don't think
(05:18):
there was a bad decision to make between Judge and Raleigh,
but I think there is a distinct wrong decision to make,
and seventeen people out of thirty made the wrong decision.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean that really.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean it's like three people had a better idea.
I mean, I'm with you. It's not wrong decision. I mean,
it's not like Aaron Judge didn't isn't deserving of an MVP.
It's just when you're measuring the two I don't think
it's I don't think it's particularly close. We did discuss that,
and it just as Cal rowly what he did. I mean,
Aaron Judge even said in his acceptance actually as before
(05:53):
they announced it, they were asking him what's it like
to be the captain and all the pressure of playing,
you know, in New York and wearing the pinstripes. And
he's like, yeah, there's a lot, you know, but it's
what I.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Want to do. I like. I like the limelight.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I like thee When I was a free agent, I
wanted to come back and play here. It's and then
he goes, it's not like what Cal does you know?
Catching all that and the abuse that he takes, and
I mean even he basically kind of says, yeah, I
don't do near as much as that guy does. Now
obviously he's not going to turn it in or say, hey, Cal,
(06:29):
you deserve this. I mean, I know I had a
way better offensive season than you, but you did, you
did way more. But to me, that's where I don't
know if somewhere in the translation the most valuable is
is different than the most outstanding, or how if there's
more weight put into the overarching offensive, you know, prowess
that goes into it, and not enough rewarded or awarded
(06:53):
to the defensive acumen that somebody brings to the table.
But yeah, I think they got it wrong. I mean,
it's a bummer because Aaron Judge is a generational hitter,
without a doubt him, He's a generational player. He's pretty
damn good in the outfield too. Really, he was most
certainly before he started getting hurt a couple for the
last couple of years. But I mean, he's a generational player.
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And this is Cal's career year. I mean, I don't
expect him to go out and hit sixty. I expect
him probably maybe forty might be the ceiling or the
floor of what his career home run numbers are going
to be.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But he's not ever going.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
To hit three forty and hit sixty home runs and
be up there probably in this where is Aaron Judge?
This is probably who we're going to see for the
you know, the foreseeable futures. Is a dude that just
hits over three hundred and hits fifty plus homers and
probably is an MVP candidate every year.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't but I don't want Cal to win it.
Because of that, I don't want I mean, it was
it's the old Michael Jordan debate, like, oh boy, Michael's
probably gonna win it next year, So Charles isn't going
to have a better season than this, Let's give it
to Barkley. I don't want Cal to win it that way.
I don't want like special consideration to be given to
cal because he might not have another career year like this,
(08:07):
but Judge probably will. But just standing on its merits alone,
I mean every I mean it was, it was a
razor close evaluation from most people. And I think that
certainly the vote came down that way. And I do
(08:27):
think and this is something that you and I have
disagreed upon. I do think that everybody who vote for
that voted for this, even the ones that voted for Judge,
recognize how much more is on cal Raley's plate. It's
just how much value do you give that? Ye does
it make up for the gap and the overall offensive
(08:50):
numbers that Judge put up versus Cal. I mean we're
talking about two hundred ops points. I mean, that's the
difference between you know, Julio and Miles Master Bony. Okay,
I mean that's what we're talking about here, like two
hundred w excuse me, an ops plus of like sixty
(09:13):
points difference. I mean it was a sizeable gap. Offensively,
the three of us and thirteen out of thirty voters,
and god knows how many other people, not just in
Seattle but nationwide think that what Cal brought to the
table does not only bridge that gap, but overtakes that gap.
And part of that is because Judge spent so much
(09:36):
time just hitting this year. Cal would have won head
to head against show Hey this year if it would
have been Cal versus show Hey, Cal would have won
the MVP and show A won unanimously. On the national
league side, because the gap between show A's numbers and
Cows weren't nearly as great as what the gap between
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Judges numbers were and Cow's. So yes, I think they
missed it. I think that Cal and everything actually that
he does bring to the table does make up for
that difference. But there were enough people that voted, and
it wasn't East Coast bias because apparently the East Coast
was the only place, but there wasn't bias.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, and seven votes for each guy.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But there were enough people who cover this sport for
a living. That decided we think that the offensive gap
is more impressive than the defensive gap and the intangibles gap.
And so that's what it came down to. And I
don't think it's right, but I at least can buy
that Aaron Judge had an MVP season this year.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, and I think you know, we have all agreed
that they're both excellent candidates. Nothing should be taking away
from Aaron Judge. The interesting thing though, is when you
think about, like, well, okay, so what is the MVP.
What is it supposed to be? Right, it's your most
valuable player? Now is that your most valuable player to
their team? Because Cal was the most valuable player to.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
His team, Well so it was Judge.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
No, but yes, But I'm saying I think that Cal
was more valuable to the Mariners than Judge was to
the Yankees for everything that he does top to bottom.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Now you could look at it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Who was the most valuable person to the league, who
had the stories being written about them every single day
because they were breaking records week after week.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Cal Rawley.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
So I would say in both those situations, he was
the more valuable player.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, I mean, I think it is supposed to be
who's the most valuable player to your team. I think
that that is the decision that they are trying to make.
There was just you know, there were just more people
out of thirty that voted that Aaron Judge was more
valuable to the Yankees than what Cal Rawley was to
the Mariners.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
We disagree with it, Yeah, that's the part I can't
figure out.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And maybe we would feel differently if we watched Judge
play every day and followed up. I mean, one of
the things that Sean Casey had said when he was
interviewing Aaron Judge was or evaluating Aaron Judge like, people
don't understand what a great human being this guy is,
And I'm like, no better than our guy.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah right, and it better than a humanitarian award either.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah true. But I mean, but also on
the flipside, we pour into so much about how how Cal,
what a leader he is, what a captain he is,
and all a Judge fulfills that exact same role and
does it with just as much dignity and just as
much class as what Cal does. Absolutely, so, I mean,
it was just two phenomenal candidates, and I really do
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think that if it was Cal versus Show, Hey, Cal
would be Cal would have walked away with the award. Unfortunately,
Judges numbers offensively across the board. I mean, he hit
three thirty. Guys aren't even hitting three hundred. Now, that's
three thirty while getting pitched around more than any batter
in all of Major League Baseball. So there's no doubt
(12:56):
Aaron Judge had an MVP season, But so did Cal.
Only one gets to win it, and unfortunately, I think
they got it wrong.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, I think they got it wrong too.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I mean it's the I get the idea that how well,
it's not the idea the fact that Judges numbers offensively
were just supreme. They were They were head and shoulders
above Col's. And that's crazy because Cow hit sixty homers. No,
but again, it's not like he hit twenty eight homers
and hit three forty and.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know, more home runs and RBI.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean it's but I mean it's he didn't.
It wasn't by a ton, and yet the batting average
and on base percentage and walks and all of the
stuff that equate to that ops being substantially bigger. Yeah,
Judge was without a doubt better offensively, and yet it
to me, it it just shows that, Yeah, well the people,
(13:47):
the thirty people, and I don't understand how it's just thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
People the one it's one per market.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't ever want anything of
substance being decided by thirty people. And so of the
thirty people, you know, they all agreed that it's definitely
was between Judge and cal There was no discrepancy on that,
so they weren't far off. It's just that, basically, I
think seventeen of them don't understand the difference between defensively.
(14:15):
They don't put the same amount of weight on that
versus the two hundred points in ops. I of course
that they recognize, Wow, catching is far dough tougher than
playing right field and dhing some right, they obviously understand it,
and they weigh that. I just don't think they put
enough weight into it. That's why I think it's wrong.
That's why I've been saying the whole time. I don't
(14:37):
think it should be particularly close. I thought it was
going to be close. I was right there with you,
kind of thinking I wouldn't be surprised if they go
with Aaron Judge because of the eye popping thing that
just is you can't you don't have to be that knowledgeable.
You don't have to be the most knowledgeable to be
able to recognize that offensive year that Judge did is
(14:59):
outste It's so outstanding that it makes it dwarfs the
outstanding offensive season that Cal had. Now Col's I think
is just has there's different stuff to it. And this
is where if I do have bias, that it'll go
into it where it's I have a hard time not
adding extra weight to the fact that it's switch hitting
and that it's you know, twenty homers for the first
time ever from each side of the plate that anybody's
(15:21):
ever done, and the people's names that he broke for
switch hitting home runs and for catching home runs. And
that's where it's like, Okay, now, I know that I'm
kind of grasping its straws to some degree to give
more credence and more credit to it. But really just
the bottom line, without the bias involved in the fact
that I like him, and I actually like Aaron Judge too,
(15:42):
it just boils down to I just I just think that,
plain and simple, the entirety of his work was far
more valuable than the entirety of Aaron Judge's work. I mean,
if it's you want to say, forty more hits, Okay,
that's once every four days he got an extra hit,
then cal that's that's not drastic to me. Now, over
(16:02):
the course of the full season, obviously it turns into
higher numbers and better numbers. And yet there's just so
many seventeen thousand pitches Calcott, and I mean it's like
there's just there's just something about it that just is
it rubs me the wrong way. And I just think
that there's something missed by those that are voting. And
I just wish three others, three others would have went
the other way.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I mean, it was closed. I don't think though, I
don't think that this is a sports writer thing. I
think that former baseball players, I mean, we might have
had the exact same result. I mean, I've logged a
lot of hours watching MLB Network, and I told you
closer we were getting to this thing. The more that
those former players were talking about Aaron Judge, I think that.
(16:44):
I mean, I don't think this is baseball writers don't
recognize the significance. They do. But I do think that
baseball players might have come up with the exact same
result that what we have because.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
It current players voted him the most outstanding player of
the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But okay, but that process, well then if that's what
then celebrated, Yeah, I mean, if that process, I don't
even know what the rules are behind that process because
it's not even recognized as a legitimate award.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So I don't even know what that process is. I mean,
it could have been just like ballots were left out
someday and some guys filled it out, some guys didn't.
I have no idea. This has been a calculated process
that they've been doing for a number of years. So,
I mean, so I don't know if you just isolated
one player from every single team like they do in
this process, if we would have had the exact same
(17:43):
result with Aaron Judge. I can just tell you. Listening
to former players on MLB Network, they were leaning toward
Judge too. I mean, and those are guys that certainly
played the game recognized the value of cal Raley and
what their what their repeated message was was, don't get
numb to how amazing Aaron Judge is, just because you've
(18:05):
seen him put together a season like this before. That
was their repeated message. We disagree with it, but I
don't know if it was. If they actually had the
same funneling process and you used players or former players
or managers, if we would have ended up with a different.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Result, would be interesting. Yeah, I would, Yeah, it would
be an interesting experiment.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'd like to know, But I'm not sure that we would.
I mean maybe we would. All right, let's find out
what's on tap for the show today?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
What's untep?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
All right, Aaron Judge edges cow for al MVP. We'll
talk more about it in the Friday O Show Today show.
A one is fourth MVP on the National League side
of second in the National League and very funny. He
kissed his dog. That was his celebration. If hugged them both,
it might be like good jap And you don't do
(19:01):
that in public.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I don't know. Is that like a Japanese thing? You
don't show affection on television.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
I mean there is some differences in how they show affection.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I will say that. And now that the award shows
are over, because there was an award show afterwards, And
by the way, Cal and Julio were named All MLB
this year first Team and that award show, and then
Wu and Munjos were named the second team, so congratulations
to them. That's not something that gets talked about a lot.
We always talk about the All Pro Team at the
(19:32):
end of the NFL season, But I don't know if
I don't, I don't even remember them doing this.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, we probably don't very often have a Mariner on it,
so maybe we don't have a reason to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it is new. I don't think it's brand new.
I think they've done it before. But I do think
like the award ceremony and all of that stuff might
be new. I could be wrong about that. But now
the Stove offseason does officially begin, and the first episode
of Stove Anders and I recorded yesterday. It is available
on our website. I can't find it either. I don't
(20:03):
know how to find things.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'll grab the link and tweeted out.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But I do know that Anders and I tweeted it
out last night on x so you can find it
and we'll see if we can't get it on the
front page of the website Crack and win last night
over Winnipeg by a final score of five to three.
Jordan Eberle scored twice in the third period, so he
goes so the crack and take it. Finally, a little
(20:29):
bit of an outburst of offense. They'll be facing those
baby face Sharks tomorrow. Baby sharks, Baby sharks gonna hate
us tomorrow. No, that's a great song. Tomorrow at seven o'clock?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Is that game? College basketball? Tonight? It will be U
Dub versus Wazoo eight o'clock tip. That's right, it's the
Apple Cup on the hardwood and the Husky's taking on
the Koogs. Also, the Zags in action tonight. An interesting
game for them. They're at Arizona State. It's football, you
dob host Purdue this Saturday. We'll hear a little bit
(21:04):
from Rick new Isil on this game in case you
missed it. Also Thursday Night football the New England Patriots.
I knew I should have taken the under damn it.
Twenty seven to fourteen. I'm gonna lose that Penn State
bet now I know.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I am.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Twenty seven to fourteen. The final score of the Patriots
over the Jets last night to start week number eleven
of the National Football League season, and we will play
some more Factor fiction today at seven thirty five Ashley's
pick today, but most of the show will be about tomorrow,
excuse me, Sunday's game between the Seahawks and the Rams.
Greg Bell at seven oh five, Hugh Millen X's and
(21:39):
O's at nine, Mike Homeran at nine thirty, and plenty
of conversation in between. As a matter of fact, what's
at stake for Sam Darnold in tomorrow's game? Interesting stupid question,
but we're going to answer it anyway. Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. I always try to figure out Ashley's.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Put in st what's at stake? And with Michael Stich,
I was like, well, no, stand is?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
I was?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I ever heard that song in a while? Let's play
out one? Why not?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah? Mine was better?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, it's Chuck Bucke and Ashley with you.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was nice to hear that song. I haven't heard
that a long Yeah, there you go, Yes, what's what's
that stand in this game? Is what we're going to
talk abouts. There you go, Okay, you keep you keep? Yeah?
Good justification back there Sea Hawks rams one o'clock on Sunday.
I mean everything, first base, first place is on the line,
(22:41):
but just first place midway through the year. I mean,
let's be real about this. I mean, as great a game.
I mean, Mike Sander said, I don't remember being as
excited about a Seahawks regular season game. I don't remember
the last time I was this excited to watch it.
And we did a little bit of math probably seven
eight years ago maybe, and maybe we are prisoners of
the moment. But as was pointed out, and I don't
(23:05):
think Greg was saying the divisions on the line on Sunday,
but Hugh did want to make clear in the roundtable
yesterday that really the winner of this game. It's a
nice win, and it gives you a game and a
half lead over the other team in the division for
the moment. You do have to face each other again, though,
and you can just eliminate, you can scrub this loss
(23:27):
whoever loses it. So, I mean, it's not like the
division is on the line here in this game, but
certainly for week eleven of a eighteen week regular season. Yeah,
this is about as big as it gets.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Well, something's got to give right, I mean, you got
both of them. Are you're essentially tied at the top
of the division record wise. The Seahawks haven't lost on
the road this year, and the Rams are pretty good
at home. I think one of their losses was at home.
But they're three and one home I So to me, it's, yeah,
it's not a make or break. I mean, the team
(24:06):
that loses this game could very well end up winning
the division, regardless of which one it is. So it's
not a it's not like, you know, it could become
Week seventeen or whatever when you when all the marbles
are on the table, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But I think that there's the measuring stick side of it.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Neither team I think has a really high quality win,
I don't think. I mean, I think the Rams beat
the Colts, which is a good win, I suppose, but
that was that was in Week four when we didn't
even know if the culture really that good necessarily, I mean,
they it's not that they've had that. They're not significant.
Every win in the NFL is good, and.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
This one's more significant than the most because it is
worth it's worth a win and a half I mean
for just for that alone, because you for the moment,
even though you have a chance to undo that, you,
for the moment have taken a one game lead and
you have the tiebreaker over the team that is closest
to you in the division. So that in and of
(25:02):
itself makes it bigger than a normal game ten of
the regular season. But there's so much season left to
make up for it that this isn't like their meeting
in week seventeen of the season.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, that's the well, that's the idea of but it's
one of those Okay, we get to I think both
teams are feeling really good about themselves offensively, defensively. You know,
Hughes kind of pointed out a couple of times that
maybe one team is feeling really good the Seahawks special
teams wise, and the Rams maybe not so much. But
really overarching, you walk through each clubhouse and I'm pretty
(25:35):
sure guys are puffed up and feeling confident about going
into this game, and yet only one of them is
gonna come out victorious. And so I think there's something
to that. There's you don't want to be playing that
second matchup, you know, in week sixteen, where you're like,
now we have to win this right, because ultimately you
could you take a more than a step, it's called
a step and a half in the direction of winning
(25:57):
the division. By winning this, it doesn't mean that you can't.
You'll take two steps back at some point while they're
taking while they're stepping up and stepping forward. So it's important,
But to me, it just feels more like the stuff intrinsically,
the stuff inside about how you'll feel about it, makes
it far bigger than even the consequences in the win
lost record.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I just think too.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I mean, obviously, to be able to have the ability
to control your own outcomes moving forward in the season. Yes,
as we said, still a lot of season left to play,
but the last thing you want is to get down
to those last three weeks of the season.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Now you're going into the Rams game.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You have to win, and you have to have other
people losing to help you get where you want to get.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
You want to be able to have it all under
your own control. And this win is.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
A big way puts you in the drivers see exactly
puts you in the driver's seat.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah. Now, I think that's a worthwhile conversation, and I
think it was worthwhile even though I don't think Greg
meant it the way that he was saying it. I
think it was worthwhile for you to just in case
people don't, let me just correct this is the season's
not on the line on stately, all right. I think
that's worthwhile to discuss. Now the worldwide leader in its
(27:06):
pathetic way to make everything seem so much larger than
it actually is. The conversation yesterday that they had on
one of the talking head shows was what's at stake
for Sam Donald?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Gosh, poor Sam Darnald.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
What's at stake for Sam Donald? If he loses, he's
a game back in the NFC West, And if he wins,
he's a game ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean, what else?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
What else would be at stake?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Are we? Are we saying that if Sam Donald doesn't
play well tomorrow, it'll.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Prove that he can't win big games, that's what they're hoping.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I think, are you trying to say that if Sam
Donald doesn't beat the Rams on Sunday that, based off
of last year's postseason struggles, he'll never beat the Rams?
I mean, there's nothing more than Sam Donald's a game
back of the Rams in the NFC. What Sam Donald
(27:59):
and the Sea or a game back of the Rams
in the NFC West. If he loses on Sunday, and
if he wins, he's a game ahead, it doesn't mean
that he solved the Rams and Sam Donald has clearly
entered the conversation as best quarterback in the National Football League.
I mean, what's at stake for Sam Donald? Same thing
that's at stake for JSN or Dvante Adams or or
(28:22):
you know, Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford or whoever it's that
I'll be a game up on the Rams, be a
really nice win on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
There's nothing Well, yeah, I wouldn't say there's anything that
is at stake because that, to me implies if it
doesn't go, well, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Right, what's at stake?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I would say Mike McDonald and John Schneider look at
each other after the game is over, like we clearly
have the wrong guy.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, yeah, that was working out really well. Yeah, seven
and three.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
We should reassume I'm dry. John, no row, get your helmet. Yeah,
you're getting more reps.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Can't handle this. I will say this.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
I think that there is something to if you were
thinking about the surprise. I think you maybe asked this
question yesterday to somebody, uh surprised of Matthew Stafford and
Sam Donald being in the MVP race. I wouldn't call
it what's at stake, but I would think Sam Sam
Donald goes out there and continues puts up another monster
(29:23):
game against a division foe, out duels Matthew Stafford. Now
might mind you, they don't play against each other per
se when it comes to offensive jump him in the
MVP guy, I think, so that's like, what could he gain?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Big game?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
But that to me is not this And yet that's
one of those Okay, really is that a preemptive conversation
or is that something you wait until? Is that something
you wait until he kicks his ass? And then you're like, dude,
this guy, you know, this is this is for real?
That was the That was the stamp on what has
been a spectacular MVP candidacy type of first half.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean there was a time during the regular season
where maybe more of those voters, seventeen out of those
thirty voters, maybe we're gonna vote for col in mid September.
I mean, do we know, does it matter that you've
moved ahead of Matt Stafford in the MVP race at
week ten of the season on November fourteenth. So, I mean, yeah,
(30:20):
that's you're right, that's a worthwhile conversation. But I don't
think that I would put a headline across the screen.
What's at stake for Sam Donald? No MVP positioning midway
through a football season. I guess that's what's at stake
for Sam Darnold. A game in the standings, that's what's
at stake for Sam Donald on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's losing any reps.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
He could go out there and have an absolute stinker,
and it doesn't mean that we're gonna be talking about
is our quarterback controversy going into the game against Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
John, you obviously had an eye. We're better off of
Sam Donald than Gino Smith. But he can't beat the Rams. John, Yeah,
that's what's at stake.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Let's give him back to the vikings, all right, no.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Cliche Keys to victory. Next Sports Radio ninety three point
three kJ R f M. I do appreciate that Bucky
is throwing his hands up these days, even though his
heart's not in it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I mean, he seems me strong he's more in than he.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I mean, you don't keep him all the way
up like Ludacrous tells you to do.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
No, you know, it's true.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's it's all half hearted, but it's better than no hearted.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah. Well, I mean I did back in the day,
like when I was clubbing.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Oh, oh, I know you're into it. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
it was. It was the vibe, you know, it was
all about where I was at. Yeah, al stick in
your mouth possibly, yeah, quite possibly. But yeah, I don't
have that same zest. Yeah, it's just not there. I
don't feel it, you know, at six point fifty in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Now, I'm just saying I appreciate you at least half
hearting it.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah, because it turns into a stretch. I put
my arms up and then I'm like, oh, this is
a good feeling stretch.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So you're multitasking.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
All right. Well, let's time for our no cliche keys
to victory. We do this before every Seahawks game. We
go around the room, what's the key to the victory?
And please do not use a cliche like so many
lazy analysts use out there. I need something specific as
to why the Seahawks can pull off a victory against
the Rams in La on Sunday, Bucky get a start.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I mean, I think this really could be twofold for
both guys, and yet this is kind of one of
those decisive moments. We'll see quarterbacks good quarterbacks that have
bad games, and a lot of times where that happens
is holding on to the ball too long and letting
the pass rush get to him. I mean, both these
teams have some guys that can get after the quarterback.
(32:39):
Jared Vers I think is the guy that pops in
my head first. But this Byron Young Dude's got nine
sacks for them. So to me, the key is Sam
Darnold has to be decisive and he has to be
quick with it, right, Which is that processing and how
quick your processor works is the key I think to
playing really good quarterback. It sounds like, and that's what
I'm learning from Hugh Millin, is it just you got
(33:00):
to throw to the right guy at the right time. Well,
that's a in a division rival matchup, I think you
have to figure out where that is quicker because they're
going to they know what you want to do and
they're going to try to take those things away, and
yet it's a double edged sword because you can't hold
on to it. If they've taken one away or even
the second option away. You've got to move through your
progression and get rid of the ball, otherwise it could
(33:21):
be damage. So the key is what get rid of
the ball. He's got to be quick and decisive. He's
got to be quick and decisive. Don't hold onto the ball.
If you got to throw the thing out of the
bounds and then go ahead and do that, or if
you've got to, you know, dirt it a little bit.
Just don't hold onto that ball and let big things
happen bad way.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Ashley, what you know cliche key to victory?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I mean, you just have to play smart football.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
We've talked about all week how close these two teams
are in every aspect. So and while I recognize it's
impossible to be perfect in every aspect of the game,
you can't let your mistakes be bigger than their mistakes.
And they're very good at taking advantage of any mistakes.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
And we in the.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Second half of last week got sloppy. We made some mistakes.
You can't play that kind of football. You've got to
play the first half against Arizona. That's what you've got
to play.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Did you just hear a turnover battle?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Did you? A little bit?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
But I explained it better?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, no, not just turnovers, all mistakes.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
All mistakes.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But it was funny because when I looked at it,
I was like, Oh, we just have to win the
turnover battle because because are there. But as I was
looking at the difference, right because their turnover differential there
plus seven were minus four, like, yeah, we make a
lot more mistakes they don't.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, if it is, I mean, you can use turnover battle.
You just have to give us a specific reason why. Yeah,
turnover Did I do that? Do I need to be better?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I know you're in a gray area.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I think Bucky.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Mine was kind of is essentially leaning towards turnover battle
as well, right, admit, yeah, you well it's yeah, it's
but there's a how you got to do it because
if you don't, Yeah, yeah, turnovers could be costly.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Obviously, I'm gonna go mind no cliche. Key to Victor
is Davonte Adams. Uh, Okay, if he play, doesn't play,
we're gonna win. If he does play, then there's gonna
be a real challenge for Mike McDonald. Theyre not a
lot of teams you're gonna face. Are gonna have two
elite receivers and an elite quarterback, and they are difficult matchups.
(35:23):
They're both big, they're both physical, and so you know
you can put spoon on one. Who's going are you?
Reek Willen's gonna have to play the other in man
and man situations, even in zone situations, and so Reek
Wallan's been a little spotty. He's been better as of late,
but it's this could really come down Toreek Wollan in
(35:46):
his matchup against a stronger, more physical Nikua, or Riek
Wollan's matchup against one of the great route runners in
the history of the National Football League, Davonte Adams. So
that skill and know how and wisdom versus Riek Wollan,
who's not exactly steeped in those three categories. So I
don't know how Mike McDonald will play it, but Rieke
(36:08):
Wollan is gonna have to play a big role in
this game, and he's gonna have to play well because
if DeVante Adams plays, he's gonna be matching up against
an elite receiver. Is he ready for that matchup. So
that's gonna be my Keno cliche key to Victory headlines.
Next we'll get Greg's Key two Sports Radio ninety three
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.