November 19, 2025 • 37 mins
GENE STERATORE (CBS Rules Analyst) Clean Gene is here to help us understand the questionable calls from the NFL. - There were a few plays in our Seahawks game that could have changed the outcome, including that Kallerup holding call; what did Gene think of it? - Who knew nose-swiping was a thing? - Did the officials screw up at the end of the Lions/Eagles game? :30- EVERETT FITZHUGH (Kraken Audio Network PxP) Everett’s got a little extra pepe in his step as he joins us live from his hometown of Detroit. Who says the Kraken can’t score? They stuck with the program and the goals came over the last few games; can they keep it going on the road? Philipp Grubauer filled in nicely on Saturday for the injured Matt Murray, so what’s the current goalie situation? :45- We can’t talk enough about Naylor! Yes, the Mariners got this done very quickly, so what else can we expect this offseason?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for Chucking Buck's weekly visit with former NFL
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Here's Chucking Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ah. Yes, time to chat with Clean Jean Sterotur right
here on Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. Ashley Ryan is here, Bucky Jacobson,
Chuck Powell, and we now welcome one of our favorite guests,
Jeene Sterotur, CBS rules analysts, and the greatest NFL official
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you've ever known, is with us right here on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Good morning, sir, Good morning Chuck, Clean Gene. I think
maybe I did a little extra behind the ears today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I appreciate that we were wondering in our last segment,
did you have any childhood nicknames? Because people named Gene
when I grew up just immediately got called mean Gene.
And I can't imagine that anyone, even a six year
old would have thought six year old Jean Sterotor was mean.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I can't say. Probably there's a couple out there in
grade school that might want to say that. Unfortunately we
can't go back. And you know, if you've seen my profile,
there were definitely a few nicknames. It probably had to
do with that, uh that Italian nose, the Roman one
that's Roman all over my face, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So you know that was that was a hook nose
for a while. It's okay, you know, I mean the
things as children that we thought were hurtful and demeaning
sometimes end up in our badge of honor, as we
did older.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So you know that, Yeah, we'll go with that one.
Soas redhead and the clean jan thing Bucky that makes
me good. But yeah, were you freckle face?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
But oh well you can just imagine I mean, redheaded,
freckle faced guy with a name Bucky. That rhyme's buck
et rhymes with a lot of bad words, chucky, sucking, chucky. Yes,
there's I'm talking about Ducky. That is a bad ducky,
the one I didn't get called that more than one
church with a uh yeah it was.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It was a treat.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Great school was, But you're right, it's a Badge of honor.
Now exactly, look.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
At the two of you. Now you've made it, you two.
We couldn't be more proud.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Of one of us.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Has Gene.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I have to live through the Gong Show though when
it was you know, Jean Jeane the Dancing Machine, So
you know I did. I lived through that when I
was kind of a middle school we thing. I think
with that show went out.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, Bucky doesn't remember me Jane Dance. Yeah, Buggy doesn't
remember mean Jeane the Dancing Machine.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I remember mean Gene Oakerland from the w w F
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, all right, well, let us uh dance our way
through a few of these plays that we saw over
the weekend, and I want to start with a all
hometown play because they are about fifty plays that if
they went the other way, maybe we win that game
against the Los Angeles Rams. But one certainly comes to mind.
We had a touchdown taken off the board ken Walker
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ran in for the score. Remember we lost by two
points in that contest. And so we had our analyst
Hugh Millan on yesterday. He said that that hole that
was called on the edge by collar Up could be
called on every single play. What did you think of
that play? Should that touchdown have been overturned?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's a tough play. I thought Greg Olsen did a
really great job on the broadcast breaking it down as
quickly as he could. And some aspects from a player
standpoint in him being a tight end, you know what,
I think the plays designed. He stock blocks right in
the beginning, right and the opening or the hole that
I think based on the way the blocking started was
for that was for Walker to kind of cut off
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his right shoulder on the inside of him, and it
was more of this steal block on that in that
regard right to try to just sort of kick out
to open up that area, and then naturally Walker bounces
it out. And now he bounces it out to the perimeter,
and the defensive player naturally seeing him, you know, through
through the block starts then to try to shed the
block and get to the outside perimeter. So now you
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have a blocker who is in a position where maybe
leverage changes rather quickly because of where the back bounces,
and now you see restriction and that falls in that
delicate place right at the point of attack, right when
Walker gets to that element or that block, and now
the restrictions outside of the frame. So listen the defense
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of someone saying, yeah, are they grabbing like that on
every play? Yeah, they do grab like that within their
frame as it relates to the point of attack, all
those elements. But now when the defensive player is trying
to shed you, he gets outside of your frame, he
beats your feet if he's rushing through you. That's when
these elements of yeah, they're grabbing every place they are,
but they're not holding. And now when I'm restricting you're
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outside of your frame and it's a point of a
top restriction there, then that does tighten things a little,
and then there is that advantage and disadvantage that rises
to a level where it has a direct effect on
the play. Those are the breakdowns that really should take place.
You hope they take place. I think in some of
our past interference calls over the week, those elements didn't
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take place really to the negative side of the officiating
portion of it, or to be critical a little on
that end, But those are the things you need to process, right,
and I think when you learn that craft and can
process in those moments for those reasons, the game gets better,
and quite frankly to me, that's a hold, right, that's
because of the things that I lined up. But that's
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the art of officiating.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, I got Keen Gene Sterotur with us here of
dropping his knowledge.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
I am.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I am interested.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, I'm one that's about sportsmanship, and I'll stand
on that one. I'll die on that hill.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
And yet there's times, right, we talked about how many
pumps is legal and whatnot, and then you know, there
was no last week, no pumps, no pumps. But I
think there was somebody that pumped on the ground or
something this week. I don't know about that. I'm just
going to say, yeah, right, you can't do that. Horizontal
pumps are definitely illegal. But yeah, Trey McBride. Then the
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Arizona Cardinals Niners game, he ends up doing something I
think you know, typically every single catch for a first down,
the receiver or tight end has to now point in
the direction that they're going for a first down. And
yet he did it kind of while wiping his nose,
and they threw a flag. Is there Is it illegal
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to get a cold in the NFL now or is
there something to that that I'm missing?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, Bucky the swipe the nose swipe, which I have
learned over the course of these last two years as
it became a little more predominant and didn't really understand
it from a generation or whatever reason. The nose swipe
itself is an act kind of like when we started
seeing the lifting of the jersey, right, it wasn't really
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showing a weapon, but it was a brandishing. The nosewipe,
from what I've been told, and it's really just from
seeking information, is something that is done to check to
see if you're still breeding basically, right, So now I've
put my finger under the nose, there's no I don't
feel any breathing. You're you know, okay? So within that realm, right,
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officials get put into these I don't like to say
that there are difficult positions from officials because this information
is disseminated throughout the league. We have major tape film
discussion on these for the right reasons. I know, the
public things, Why are we wasting our time with all
of this? Look, we all know the millions and millions
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of people at all age levels watch these games, and
little subtle messages that some of us, because of our
age or where we are, doesn't mean anything, but they're profound.
That's information where the coaches, the players, the officials, all
the stakeholders. There are serious conversations because of this messaging,
because of our platform. So we do stress that. Look,
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we understand this might be subtle, but this is a
message that's more profound than just this reaction and a
game to amongst competitors. It's not permitted. And that was disseminated, right,
I mean, that was all done, shared, agreed upon, and
then you're in the heat of the moment the reaction
takes place and you saw how he did it. It
was very subtle. This was not like that was the
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definitive part of his celebration. It was a quick notes
ripe that turned into a first out right. But okay,
get more creative. The first album looks really great. I
love seeing to do first down with emphasis like that.
Don't point at your opponent, but let's go man, that's
a big play. It pumps to up. It's great for
the game. Get the other piece out of it, though,
(09:03):
Find something else more creative to do it, and if
you can't, then it's a foul. I'm sorry. That's just
the way you have to work things sometimes.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I just I like the process. I like that
you have to make those decisions. I feels like I've
seen that so many times and it's not being called.
But maybe it's college that I've seen it where it's
not called. But but you're telling me that consistently. That's
a you can't do that gesture call in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, okay and message and really honestly in defensive college too,
it's there as well.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's the other dynamic that we all, I think, have
to embrace. Right when you're down on that field, then
there's a lot of bodies moving in and out of you.
In a camera from half way up the stadium, it's
an amazing zoom lens in four K. It catches two
seconds of something that quite frankly, you just might you know,
it's a human condition. I didn't see it amongst the
trees or something to that effect, but if you see it,
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we need those called, and we need them taught, and
we need the that call toure to continue to embrace creativity.
But understand this beautiful platform they're on college athletes you
know as well, And I think that's just the gist
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Lean Jean Sterotor is our guest here on Yeah, here
on Chuck It Back in the Morning, a segment every
week brought to you by BMW Seattle. All right, let's
get to the most controversial play maybe of the weekend,
and that was the Sunday Night Eagles versus Lions PI
call at the end of the game where Chris collins
Worth just natural reaction because I do think he takes
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care of the officials a little better than Akman and
some others, just natural reaction. That is a terrible call.
I felt, It feels like most people felt. Man, those
two have been hand fighting the entire game, and you're
going to choose now, with the game on the line
to call that TICKI tac fowl, which I don't even
think is PI at any time during the game. What
did you make of that call on Rocky Scene versus
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AJ Brown at the end of Sunday Night's contest.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You're right, You're just right right. It's not enough for
a foul. It's not consistent with the way that the
game is efficient. And not to say that I want
I think that's a foul at any time, as you
just said, And then therein lies kind of what I
prefaced a little earlier. Right, there's a teaching level of
all of this. When I'm defensive back is engaging with
the receiver and we have two great athletes that are
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basically hand fighting, we call it a snuggle into a
hand fight, into a back and forth. I think at
times some officials are thinking subconsciously, if he does this
next thing, it's going to be a foul, right, And
your brain is prepping you in some ways that way.
And I think there's value to prep your brain in
a different way by saying when two players like that
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are engaged in hand fighting, that is not creating an
advantage of disadvantage. Rather than thinking, well, if he does this, now,
I'm going to get him, you should think now that
they decided to both do that, and we used to
call that both players happy to be there, okay, and
they're not really taking a major advantage out of each other.
What it really has allowed, as opposed to not what
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they can do, is it allowed either player, especially the
offensive player, in that situation where the defense decided to
engage in hand fighting. It's allowed me this five to
ten percent of action to get you off of me.
So a subtle push out of a hand fighting situation
is okay, that's football. Those are athletes. That's in space.
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If I'm not touching you at all, that same subtle
separation as you're closing in on me legally without engaging
with me should become a more profound separation then, so
now it should be worked a little more technical at
that point. These layers that happen that we get to
dissect frame by frame and say how terrible they are
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are the things that training and repetition and seeing these
plays in real time and understanding how to break them
down I think allows for what is what the rules
are intended for, right. I mean, that's the goal. But
you must engage players and allow them to do things
when they are happy to be there, when they're making
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athletic plays. It's to hook around the waist on a
player coming from behind a receiver that then puts his
arm around the receiver of his waist, doesn't hold him back,
doesn't take a step away, doesn't keep his hands down,
and that defensive player gets that other hand around in
front of him and knocks the football down. That's a
great football play that's not automatically past interference. If he
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turns him if he restricts him in a different level
after that, Now it's risen to that elevation. These are
easy things to talk to you like this and break
down on a film and show them frame by frame.
It's once another element when you're out there. You've got
to process these things kind of in your brain like
I'm kind of doing now, and do it at a
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high level. That's what puts you in that space, right,
I mean, these are the best of the best, So
figure that out or move back down to a different
level where we don't need to figure that out. Because
little Billy who's fifteen can't put his arm around the
receiver without turning him. So it's a flag in high
school almost every time because they're dis quite frankly, might
not be good enough to do it right. I mean,
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that's the growth. You don't want it happening on this stage.
And that's really the gist of it. But you're right,
it's I don't think it's the top.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Jeane the gene, he's so good at it. I mean, Geane,
there was the Broncos Chiefs game. You were working that
game and there was a couple of plays and neither
one of them got called and yet I'm kind of
curious from the standpoint of can you recognize when it's
there's a flop going on, because that's got to be
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I mean to me was there was two plays very similar,
one for each team. I think it was Thornton or
Throckman or a receiver for Kansas City had caught one
kind of a contested ball. He had done a little
bit of the offensive push off, created some separation. The
dB for dem kind of flopped and fell like it
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did push him off balance, but he completes the pass,
gets up, runs for a little bit. Then the almost
a game ceiling one with Troy Franklin. He does a
little push off as well, and the defender doesn't get
doesn't fall down out of it. I'm wondering if there's
somewhere where you recognize, Okay, there might have been a
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little bit of a push off, but you're trying to
embellish it, and does that make it less likely or
more likely that you're going to throw the flag?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think my basketball officiating, quite humbly and honestly, Bucky
I thought, helped me be able to dissect that a lot.
Because I was working for major college basketball games throughout
the week before my NFL weekend. So again back to
seeing plays getting constant repetition on was that an offensive
file that he really separated? He flopped right that little
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piece in there where you try to apply that those
are feels and I think when you're really seeing it
from beginning to end. One other little tidbit kind of
in that regard. Right when you see a receiver get
to the top of his route and that dB is
close to him, and now he pushes off at the
top of that route just as he starts to break out,
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when a defensive bat goes backwards two or three quick
steps after that separation, ninety nine percent of the time
that is not embellishing because he doesn't want to try
to just trick the rest right there, right. He doesn't.
He still wants to win on this play. So when
you see a DD go back like you can tell
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that momentum put him back one two steps, and then
he plants and tries to get back and close on
the play, your spider senses will tell you there was
a lot there because he's not just going to bail here.
He was too close to being in making a play.
Then we get to the pieces. I think that maybe
you're describing and I saw those, and that is is
this athlete that good? And yes they are to realize
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at this moment, I can't make a play. I can't
get back. My only alternative now is potentially to do
what you said, Buck right embellies this and see my
last hope is this because I couldn't get back as
an athlete to get into the place. So let's try this.
I used to hate when they would run sweeps to
my side as a referee, and I saw that edge
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Russia get beat and he's getting a little restriction and
I don't think it's enough. And as soon as the
back goes around him, he throws both of his hands
up in the air, and you would think, gosh, this
is going to be one where the grater is going
to tell me that that's enough for a hole right
at the edge, and the hands up in the air
is going to draw the attention to the evaluator. So
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you write that play up and you let them know, Look,
I watched this in real time. This is what I felt.
Though you continue to do what you want to do.
It a great but yeah, I think there's pieces of that.
And then to be critical of myself. I think because
of the flopping and my basketball years, I was the
worst running into the kicker referee maybe in the history
of football, because every time that under gut touch, you know,
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he was doing the pirouette and the fall, and I
wanted to give him a yellow card. And I was
reminded many times Coach arians a few and heated discussions
letting me know that running into the kicker is also
a five yard penalty. And I said, I know, Coach,
but he flopped and he goes, I understand that, but
he still did run into him. And I would kind
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of look after being you know, disrobed for thirty seconds,
and agree with him and say, you know, you're probably
right it was running under the kicker. But we're going
to go off for TV right now, and well, you
can yell at me about something else in about another
twenty minutes, but no, I agree. See, I think that's
what I think. That's again, these are these nuances that
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we want officials as they climb the ladders, to be
able to put into their craft. And it's not an
easy thing. It's hard as hell to do this, but
you've got to be able to process those elements. I
think buck to live in that space and be really
good at it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Espresso Bean Jean sterretur right here on the radio program Express.
So yeah, it just taps in a little bit of
the Italian heritage right there. Yeah, yeah, well we'll say,
I mean, the tush push isn't going to go anywhere.
We'll have to for time reasons, save that for next week.
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But it is getting very interesting that tush push. I mean,
everybody's angry every single time that a play is called
for a toush push on both sides of the ball.
It's getting rather fascinating and I can't wait to get
your thoughts on it. But we'll have to save that
for next week. Sir, Thank you very much for joining us.
We appreciate it. And I won't see you. I won't
be on the show next week. I'll be taking some
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time off. So happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll have a little tush
and a little push to talk about even after seven days.
So that's the best teams of the week. What is
waiting for a little toush push? I fell begga, Jean,
you have a great Thanksgiving thanks.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Jean Sterrator, CBS rules Analysts, a former NFL official, joining
us every Tuesday at this time thanks to BMW Seattle.
Looking for a new or used BMW or something else even,
go check out BMW Seattle, conveniently located between I five
and I ninety near the stadiums. I dress for that
guy nearly every Halloween. I'm Halloween, Jean Steret. We come
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all right, coming up next like.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
A proud mom.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
There you good job, buddy, Everett FITZI will be with
us next. Speaking of proud moms, I think he's spending
the night in his old bedroom tonight as he calls
the Red Wings kracking game on kJ R.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, Big made it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Made a make success out of himself, going back home
to call a Red Wings game. Probably slept in his
old sheets. Is Miguel Cabrera bed sheets? Last night at
mom's house. She probably made him his favorite breakfast. And
now eleven thirty Detroit time. Probably just walking the streets
of Detroit right now, saying hello to the nicest people
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in America?
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Ain't you proud?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
You know these don't leave me.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Good Morning's proof that man's in a good mood. You know,
like my, my, my steps, a little peppy or whatever.
You know, you come back to the city that made you.
At dinner with my mom last night, big al and
Mama fits and at dinner last night.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So it was fun.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
It's been a good couple of days.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Did you take him to Tommy's bar?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah, this doesn't ask.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
No, no, not the sun.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Well if you do, tell Tommy, we said, hi, yeah, exactly,
I'm picturing use this guy with cecil Fielder bed sheets.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
By the way, Oh, I.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Was so growling up. I was a really big Tigers
and Pistons fan. So I had like the Grant Hill
poster and like the old Bobby Higginson posters in my room. Wow,
Damien Easley, Tony Clark, some of those old nineties Tigers
who could barely win sixty five games like those, those
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were the.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Teams that I fell in love with.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
They had a big Ernie Harwell a little sign in
my room as well.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So I actually have a Bobby Higginson story. I had
an ex girlfriend who I lived with, who had apparently
dated him, and she had a Toledo mud Hens jersey
from him. Yeah uh, and I ended up taking it.
Like not only was I not threatened. I want a
mud Hens jersey. I'll wear this, you know what.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
I appreciate that because I've had a few of my.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Favorite T shirts and sweatshirts taken from me in previous relationships,
So it feels good to see someone took one back
for the team.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
I appreciate it all.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you don't love him, right, all right, you're you're
moved on from him, and then just let me have
his jersey. Yeah, all right, Well let's talk some cracking hockey.
I mean, it has been a couple of minutes since
we last chatted with you, and they've had a couple
of nice wins over the Jets, the Sharks, who they
struck a little revenge with nine goals over two games.
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I gotta believe that even without Joey Decord, they've built
about as much offensive momentum as they have all season
long heading into this game tonight.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yeah, who said this team couldn't score? Right?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
And you get one goal in three of your previous
four games and then you explode for five and four
and again, I think we've been taking this all year long.
Lane Lambert has been saying, you stick with the program,
you stick with that discipline and the offense will come.
And I think every game he's laid down a challenge
to this team, whether that's shoot the puck more. He
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even said it after the Columbus game. You know, I
would like this these guys to be a little bit
more selfish, right. I know it flies in the face
of a lot of what we hear in hockey, but
be more selfish.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Take that shot. I still think we're looking for that
perfect seam pass. We're looking for that perfect shot. Just
put pucks on that.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Well, they listen in the Winnipeg game, you get five
and then they rinse and repeated against against San Jose
for four. So you know, we'll see if that continues
on the road. But I will say very encouraging positive
signs in the last two games. You pick up another
statement win against Winnipeg, you exact some revenge against San Jose.
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Ten players get points in that Winnipeg game. I think
eight players had points in the San Jose game. So
now you're seeing the depth offense come. You're seeing the
offense come, and now we'll see if they can they
can keep it going here in Detroit.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Well Grooby filled in nice for the injured Matt Murray,
I mean, is Groovey back and are we feeling okay
about the whole Matt Murray uh decord situation.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Well, I think Grubauer, I mean, he is playing some
of the best hockey that I think we've seen from
him since that playoff year. Right, everyone loves to talk
about playoff groovy and and what he did during that run,
and you're starting to see, you know, quote unquote vintage Grubauer. Again,
Matt Murray did not make the trip for Seattle, so
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it's Grubauer. Joey de Coord is on the ice right now.
He's getting those first reps. It looks like he may
be starting tonight. So yeah, that that, at least from
from what I'm reading in the tea, leaves the morning
skate here today and then that practice yesterday. He took
a lot of the first reps in practice yesterday. So
I it would it would appear to me that Joey
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to Coord is going to be back tonight. We'll see
officially here after morning skate. But you know, Grubauer, I
think working with our new golden coach, Colin Zulianello, you know,
he's had to really colinize has had to really manage
this three goalie system, and and you know, there's all
types of egos that go into it, and that's not
(26:14):
a negative thing. But what he's been able to do
keeping all those guys ready to go, fresh, ready to play,
Matt Murray has been playing very, very well. Philip Grubauer,
we've seen now back to back games, including one in relief.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
You now have three very.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Viable options in goal for Seattle, which is in a shortened,
you know, tight season like we're going to have this
year in terms of back to backs and and you know,
games every other day, you're going to need your goalies going.
And I think right now that three goalie system is
proving that it's working.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He's colonized him, is what he's done. Colonized him. Fits
you is with us the voice of your Seattle crack.
And they face the Detroit Red Wings tonight four pm.
They will drop the puck three. He's pretty pregame right
here at Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
We did talk about the offense earlier. I mean, it's
a natural thing for fans to get excited about the future.
(27:09):
Players talk about Niemen and cat and and right and
even Venier is still a young player. But it's the veterans,
it's Schwartz and Everly that have really stepped up here
recently for this team.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah, they have, and I think you know that that
also comes with the type of coach that Lane is.
I think Jordan having played for Lane on Long Island
with the Islanders for all those years, he.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Knows what to expect out of him.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Jayden Schwartz, this type of system fits his game. You know,
he wants to be that power forward. He wants to
go to the net. He wants to get his hands
dirty and get into the mix and get into the fight.
So this type of style, I think, especially for those
two fit well.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
And you're almost seeing you know how.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
We recorded our latest episode back Weekly, which is up
on the Crack and Audio Network podcast channel right now.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
But he gave his his three stars of the.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Week two quote unquote the old guys, but in Schwartz
and Everly, because you know, even though they're they're among
the elder statesmen of this team, you're.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Seeing how valuable and how important they are.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
You're they're leading by example, and then you know it
doesn't take you long to look up and down the lineup,
guys like Tyke Krtie and Ryan Winterton, you know, doing
things that Everly and Schwartz are doing because they're they're
leading by example. So those are the two guys that
you need to get going because when they're going, everyone
else sees that everyone else follows suit.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
And that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So, well, they're not the steviee Eiserman Sergey Federal fred
Wings that little grew up with, but they do seem
to be improved. Give me, I only got about thirty seconds.
Give me a thirty second scouting report on the Red
Wings here tonight.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
I mean, the Red Wings are a team that they
need to take that next step. We got a lot
of really young, talented players. They've got two players in
their lineup this season that have been contributing.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
That are in their NHL debut season.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
So this is a team that they rely heavily on
Dylan Markin along with Alex to brink it. But they
also have some good young pieces, very much like a
San Jose in that they're young Anaheim as well.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
They're young, they're talented. They have a couple of vets
who've been.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Around the block, But it's for the most part, it's
the young players that are leading this team. They've narrowly
missed the playoffs the last couple of seasons and they're
trying to get back to the playoffs for the first
time and I think ten years, so that's unheard of
around these parts.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
So this is not going to be an easy game
by any means. For Seattle.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Have fun today, have fun tonight, have fun with mom
if you get to see her again before you have
to head out of town. And we will talk to
you next week, all right.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
All right, fellas Ashley, take care, we'll talk to you
all right.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Ever fits you the voice of your Seattle crack and
joining us Tuesday at this time again three thirty pregame
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Show right here at Sports Radio ninety three point three
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radio program, more on Naylor, Josh Naylor's Day Today, and
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on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
All Right, Rick New I's gonna join us at the
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top of the hour. Nine o'clock. Also, the old judge
is gonna stand by today at nine thirty. Speaking of
later today, Josh Naylor will be reintroduced to his fan base.
He will have a press conference today. They have already
officially signed the papers, but they'll talk about it today
and then it'll feel even more official. It'll feel official
(31:00):
or your official ear. Yeah, yes, but I feel the
official elyst that it has felt so far. Yes, and
then tomorrow it'll be the mostest official to hear it
right out of his mouth versus just believing that he
signed a contract.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Right because I don't believe everything I read on the internet,
unlike some I do not.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Do you believe my crystal Ball predictions? Do they think
they're all going to come true this year?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:26):
But you've nailed the first one. I mean you didn't.
You hadn't written it yet, but we had spoken about that.
You thought they were going to do. The nailor things
are the biggest, most important crystal Ball decision. You were nailed.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
And I think that I think they'll get one of
Polanco or Sworez, and I don't think they will get
both Polanco Or and Sworez. But uh, I feel good
about that my only thing heading into this offseason, and
I I couldn't stop it. Just we're resigning Nailor and
Polanco and that's it. But there is a chance that
we're resigning Nailor and Polanco and that's it. I mean
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there might not be.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
There will be other moves made.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean we even made a move for a lefty
reliever prior to the Josh Naylor announcement for goodness sake.
But anything of significance, anything that moves the needle. I mean,
there's a chance it might just be re signing Naylor
and re signing Polanco or Suarez.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
That might be it.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, well they'll have to do some other small stuff
in there, right, which you kind of have a couple
and I don't even know if those are small necessary.
I mean, if there's if they end up trading some
guys that are big leaguers, are close to big leaguers,
like Harry Ford for example, No, that would be.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
A significant Yeah, those I'm saying that I don't I
really even do that. I mean I put together in
the crystal ball just to have some fun. I put
some creative, you know, big ideas in there. But the
truth of the matter is, I really don't trust that
they're gonna do anything significant, significant beyond resigning Naylor and
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re signing one of.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Those two guys.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, well, I'm with you on that. I think that
you know, there they did that tradd with the Dodgers
for that young lefty that you know went a ball high,
a w a tripley I think this last year, and
so maybe he's a guy that turns into a bullpen piece.
It's possible next year, but it's probably more of a
future type thing. Those are small moves. They're going to
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do some of those, for sure. Throughout the course of
the offseason. I hope that they do more than that,
that they try to shake things up a little bit.
And in order to do that, they're probably going to
have to do some things that they are going to
make some people uncomfortable, whether it's moving on from you know,
a high priced guy or you know, trading away some
(33:38):
big time prospector guy that we were starting to like
or can't wait to see.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well, they certainly you are in a position to do that,
and that is move a player now. But the first
thing's first, Because I believe this organization on its face
when they talk about we have financial restrictions. Maybe they
are self imposed, but we have financial restrictions. So and
Jerry and Justin get done with a regular season and
(34:02):
they host a postgame or postseason press conference and they say,
we're going to be able to get to start next
year with the payroll that we ended with this year,
which is a bump from where we were a year
ago at this time. I believe them. I believe them.
And so if they're going to do anything beyond Naylor
and let's say Polonco, let's just go ahead and give
(34:24):
us Polonko, they're probably going to have to move some money.
And the only two guys that really fit that description
are either Randy a. Rose Arena, who's got one year
sixteen million dollars left on his deal before he becomes
a free agent, and then the other one is Castillo,
who makes two years twenty two and a half over
the next couple of years. So two years forty five
(34:45):
is what's left on his contract, plus a mutual option
for an additional year. You're going to have to move
one of those guys, if we're to believe on their
face they're not going to add payroll beyond what they
had at the end of this past season. You're gonna
have to move one of those two guys in order
to create some other splash move this offseason. Yeah, and
(35:05):
even that in and of itself is a splash move.
You're moving Castillo or Randy Rose Arena, that's a significant move.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Yeah, And yet that's I mean, I don't want him
to and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, just
simply because I think what they how they value guys
is oftentimes different than how others value them. And yet,
I mean, I think that if there's been the idea
where they're probing around saying, hey, who's interested in Luis Castile,
or there's got to be a lot of teams that
(35:33):
would be interested in Luis Castile. But for how much,
I mean, do you still consider him a top of
the rotation guy. I think he can pitch like a
top of the rotation guy. He for the most part,
he does have times where he pitches down to his
competition a little bit, and all of a sudden, the
team that he could you just figure he should be
able to maybe not breeze through five innings, but really
(35:54):
work five six innings and give you, you know, and
and be dominant, like he's capable of still being he
didn't necessarily do it. But is somebody else out there,
like I'll pay him twenty two million bucks a year
to come here and be our third starter.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
And yet if it's if he would, if you would
bring him in thinking he's going to be our ace,
then you probably are not in a position where you're
really wanting to pay anybody twenty two million dollars at
the top of your rotation. You're probably in some sort
of rebuild. So it's an interesting situation considering all the
moving parts. When you look at the teams, the free
agents that are out there, but then the teams that
are the guys that are under contract, and how do
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you move guys around? They just have a lot of prospects,
and so I'm hoping that they do something a little
bit splashy. I wouldn't mind them not waiting until the
deadline to figure out where their hole is and instead
trying to address some of them beforehand.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But obviously, if you're going to move prospect, you're moving
for a player, right Yeah, And so now you're adding payroll,
So you got a clear payroll first in order to
add payroll.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yeah, and I understand how you do the crystal ball
where you're trying to meld the two between what they
typically do and I'm just hoping that there's a shift
in what they typically do. This Josh Naylor signing is
a bit of a shift. Now, it doesn't change the
overall bottom line, but I'm hoping they kind of do
all right.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ah. Yes, time to chat with Clean Jean Sterotur right
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(00:43):
you've ever known, is with us right here on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Good morning, sir, Good morning Chuck, Clean Gene. I think
maybe I did a little extra behind the ears today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I appreciate that we were wondering in our last segment,
did you have any childhood nicknames? Because people named Gene
when I grew up just immediately got called mean Gene.
And I can't imagine that anyone, even a six year
old would have thought six year old Jean Sterotor was mean.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I can't say. Probably there's a couple out there in
grade school that might want to say that. Unfortunately we
can't go back. And you know, if you've seen my profile,
there were definitely a few nicknames. It probably had to
do with that, uh that Italian nose, the Roman one
that's Roman all over my face, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So you know that was that was a hook nose
for a while. It's okay, you know, I mean the
things as children that we thought were hurtful and demeaning
sometimes end up in our badge of honor, as we
did older.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So you know that, Yeah, we'll go with that one.
Soas redhead and the clean jan thing Bucky that makes
me good. But yeah, were you freckle face?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
But oh well you can just imagine I mean, redheaded,
freckle faced guy with a name Bucky. That rhyme's buck
et rhymes with a lot of bad words, chucky, sucking, chucky. Yes,
there's I'm talking about Ducky. That is a bad ducky,
the one I didn't get called that more than one
church with a uh yeah it was.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It was a treat.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Great school was, But you're right, it's a Badge of honor.
Now exactly, look.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
At the two of you. Now you've made it, you two.
We couldn't be more proud.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Of one of us.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Has Gene.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I have to live through the Gong Show though when
it was you know, Jean Jeane the Dancing Machine, So
you know I did. I lived through that when I
was kind of a middle school we thing. I think
with that show went out.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, Bucky doesn't remember me Jane Dance. Yeah, Buggy doesn't
remember mean Jeane the Dancing Machine.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I remember mean Gene Oakerland from the w w F
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, all right, well, let us uh dance our way
through a few of these plays that we saw over
the weekend, and I want to start with a all
hometown play because they are about fifty plays that if
they went the other way, maybe we win that game
against the Los Angeles Rams. But one certainly comes to mind.
We had a touchdown taken off the board ken Walker
(03:12):
ran in for the score. Remember we lost by two
points in that contest. And so we had our analyst
Hugh Millan on yesterday. He said that that hole that
was called on the edge by collar Up could be
called on every single play. What did you think of
that play? Should that touchdown have been overturned?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's a tough play. I thought Greg Olsen did a
really great job on the broadcast breaking it down as
quickly as he could. And some aspects from a player
standpoint in him being a tight end, you know what,
I think the plays designed. He stock blocks right in
the beginning, right and the opening or the hole that
I think based on the way the blocking started was
for that was for Walker to kind of cut off
(03:57):
his right shoulder on the inside of him, and it
was more of this steal block on that in that
regard right to try to just sort of kick out
to open up that area, and then naturally Walker bounces
it out. And now he bounces it out to the perimeter,
and the defensive player naturally seeing him, you know, through
through the block starts then to try to shed the
block and get to the outside perimeter. So now you
(04:20):
have a blocker who is in a position where maybe
leverage changes rather quickly because of where the back bounces,
and now you see restriction and that falls in that
delicate place right at the point of attack, right when
Walker gets to that element or that block, and now
the restrictions outside of the frame. So listen the defense
(04:41):
of someone saying, yeah, are they grabbing like that on
every play? Yeah, they do grab like that within their
frame as it relates to the point of attack, all
those elements. But now when the defensive player is trying
to shed you, he gets outside of your frame, he
beats your feet if he's rushing through you. That's when
these elements of yeah, they're grabbing every place they are,
but they're not holding. And now when I'm restricting you're
(05:02):
outside of your frame and it's a point of a
top restriction there, then that does tighten things a little,
and then there is that advantage and disadvantage that rises
to a level where it has a direct effect on
the play. Those are the breakdowns that really should take place.
You hope they take place. I think in some of
our past interference calls over the week, those elements didn't
(05:24):
take place really to the negative side of the officiating
portion of it, or to be critical a little on
that end, But those are the things you need to process, right,
and I think when you learn that craft and can
process in those moments for those reasons, the game gets better,
and quite frankly to me, that's a hold, right, that's
because of the things that I lined up. But that's
(05:47):
the art of officiating.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, I got Keen Gene Sterotur with us here of
dropping his knowledge.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
I am.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I am interested.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, I'm one that's about sportsmanship, and I'll stand
on that one. I'll die on that hill.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
And yet there's times, right, we talked about how many
pumps is legal and whatnot, and then you know, there
was no last week, no pumps, no pumps. But I
think there was somebody that pumped on the ground or
something this week. I don't know about that. I'm just
going to say, yeah, right, you can't do that. Horizontal
pumps are definitely illegal. But yeah, Trey McBride. Then the
(06:24):
Arizona Cardinals Niners game, he ends up doing something I
think you know, typically every single catch for a first down,
the receiver or tight end has to now point in
the direction that they're going for a first down. And
yet he did it kind of while wiping his nose,
and they threw a flag. Is there Is it illegal
(06:44):
to get a cold in the NFL now or is
there something to that that I'm missing?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, Bucky the swipe the nose swipe, which I have
learned over the course of these last two years as
it became a little more predominant and didn't really understand
it from a generation or whatever reason. The nose swipe
itself is an act kind of like when we started
seeing the lifting of the jersey, right, it wasn't really
(07:11):
showing a weapon, but it was a brandishing. The nosewipe,
from what I've been told, and it's really just from
seeking information, is something that is done to check to
see if you're still breeding basically, right, So now I've
put my finger under the nose, there's no I don't
feel any breathing. You're you know, okay? So within that realm, right,
(07:35):
officials get put into these I don't like to say
that there are difficult positions from officials because this information
is disseminated throughout the league. We have major tape film
discussion on these for the right reasons. I know, the
public things, Why are we wasting our time with all
of this? Look, we all know the millions and millions
(07:58):
of people at all age levels watch these games, and
little subtle messages that some of us, because of our
age or where we are, doesn't mean anything, but they're profound.
That's information where the coaches, the players, the officials, all
the stakeholders. There are serious conversations because of this messaging,
because of our platform. So we do stress that. Look,
(08:20):
we understand this might be subtle, but this is a
message that's more profound than just this reaction and a
game to amongst competitors. It's not permitted. And that was disseminated, right,
I mean, that was all done, shared, agreed upon, and
then you're in the heat of the moment the reaction
takes place and you saw how he did it. It
was very subtle. This was not like that was the
(08:41):
definitive part of his celebration. It was a quick notes
ripe that turned into a first out right. But okay,
get more creative. The first album looks really great. I
love seeing to do first down with emphasis like that.
Don't point at your opponent, but let's go man, that's
a big play. It pumps to up. It's great for
the game. Get the other piece out of it, though,
(09:03):
Find something else more creative to do it, and if
you can't, then it's a foul. I'm sorry. That's just
the way you have to work things sometimes.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I just I like the process. I like that
you have to make those decisions. I feels like I've
seen that so many times and it's not being called.
But maybe it's college that I've seen it where it's
not called. But but you're telling me that consistently. That's
a you can't do that gesture call in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, okay and message and really honestly in defensive college too,
it's there as well.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's the other dynamic that we all, I think, have
to embrace. Right when you're down on that field, then
there's a lot of bodies moving in and out of you.
In a camera from half way up the stadium, it's
an amazing zoom lens in four K. It catches two
seconds of something that quite frankly, you just might you know,
it's a human condition. I didn't see it amongst the
trees or something to that effect, but if you see it,
(09:55):
we need those called, and we need them taught, and
we need the that call toure to continue to embrace creativity.
But understand this beautiful platform they're on college athletes you
know as well, And I think that's just the gist
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Lean Jean Sterotor is our guest here on Yeah, here
on Chuck It Back in the Morning, a segment every
week brought to you by BMW Seattle. All right, let's
get to the most controversial play maybe of the weekend,
and that was the Sunday Night Eagles versus Lions PI
call at the end of the game where Chris collins
Worth just natural reaction because I do think he takes
(10:33):
care of the officials a little better than Akman and
some others, just natural reaction. That is a terrible call.
I felt, It feels like most people felt. Man, those
two have been hand fighting the entire game, and you're
going to choose now, with the game on the line
to call that TICKI tac fowl, which I don't even
think is PI at any time during the game. What
did you make of that call on Rocky Scene versus
(10:56):
AJ Brown at the end of Sunday Night's contest.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You're right, You're just right right. It's not enough for
a foul. It's not consistent with the way that the
game is efficient. And not to say that I want
I think that's a foul at any time, as you
just said, And then therein lies kind of what I
prefaced a little earlier. Right, there's a teaching level of
all of this. When I'm defensive back is engaging with
the receiver and we have two great athletes that are
(11:22):
basically hand fighting, we call it a snuggle into a
hand fight, into a back and forth. I think at
times some officials are thinking subconsciously, if he does this
next thing, it's going to be a foul, right, And
your brain is prepping you in some ways that way.
And I think there's value to prep your brain in
a different way by saying when two players like that
(11:43):
are engaged in hand fighting, that is not creating an
advantage of disadvantage. Rather than thinking, well, if he does this, now,
I'm going to get him, you should think now that
they decided to both do that, and we used to
call that both players happy to be there, okay, and
they're not really taking a major advantage out of each other.
What it really has allowed, as opposed to not what
(12:05):
they can do, is it allowed either player, especially the
offensive player, in that situation where the defense decided to
engage in hand fighting. It's allowed me this five to
ten percent of action to get you off of me.
So a subtle push out of a hand fighting situation
is okay, that's football. Those are athletes. That's in space.
(12:28):
If I'm not touching you at all, that same subtle
separation as you're closing in on me legally without engaging
with me should become a more profound separation then, so
now it should be worked a little more technical at
that point. These layers that happen that we get to
dissect frame by frame and say how terrible they are
(12:49):
are the things that training and repetition and seeing these
plays in real time and understanding how to break them
down I think allows for what is what the rules
are intended for, right. I mean, that's the goal. But
you must engage players and allow them to do things
when they are happy to be there, when they're making
(13:10):
athletic plays. It's to hook around the waist on a
player coming from behind a receiver that then puts his
arm around the receiver of his waist, doesn't hold him back,
doesn't take a step away, doesn't keep his hands down,
and that defensive player gets that other hand around in
front of him and knocks the football down. That's a
great football play that's not automatically past interference. If he
(13:31):
turns him if he restricts him in a different level
after that, Now it's risen to that elevation. These are
easy things to talk to you like this and break
down on a film and show them frame by frame.
It's once another element when you're out there. You've got
to process these things kind of in your brain like
I'm kind of doing now, and do it at a
(13:51):
high level. That's what puts you in that space, right,
I mean, these are the best of the best, So
figure that out or move back down to a different
level where we don't need to figure that out. Because
little Billy who's fifteen can't put his arm around the
receiver without turning him. So it's a flag in high
school almost every time because they're dis quite frankly, might
not be good enough to do it right. I mean,
(14:12):
that's the growth. You don't want it happening on this stage.
And that's really the gist of it. But you're right,
it's I don't think it's the top.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Jeane the gene, he's so good at it. I mean, Geane,
there was the Broncos Chiefs game. You were working that
game and there was a couple of plays and neither
one of them got called and yet I'm kind of
curious from the standpoint of can you recognize when it's
there's a flop going on, because that's got to be
(14:42):
I mean to me was there was two plays very similar,
one for each team. I think it was Thornton or
Throckman or a receiver for Kansas City had caught one
kind of a contested ball. He had done a little
bit of the offensive push off, created some separation. The
dB for dem kind of flopped and fell like it
(15:02):
did push him off balance, but he completes the pass,
gets up, runs for a little bit. Then the almost
a game ceiling one with Troy Franklin. He does a
little push off as well, and the defender doesn't get
doesn't fall down out of it. I'm wondering if there's
somewhere where you recognize, Okay, there might have been a
(15:22):
little bit of a push off, but you're trying to
embellish it, and does that make it less likely or
more likely that you're going to throw the flag?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think my basketball officiating, quite humbly and honestly, Bucky
I thought, helped me be able to dissect that a lot.
Because I was working for major college basketball games throughout
the week before my NFL weekend. So again back to
seeing plays getting constant repetition on was that an offensive
file that he really separated? He flopped right that little
(15:50):
piece in there where you try to apply that those
are feels and I think when you're really seeing it
from beginning to end. One other little tidbit kind of
in that regard. Right when you see a receiver get
to the top of his route and that dB is
close to him, and now he pushes off at the
top of that route just as he starts to break out,
(16:12):
when a defensive bat goes backwards two or three quick
steps after that separation, ninety nine percent of the time
that is not embellishing because he doesn't want to try
to just trick the rest right there, right. He doesn't.
He still wants to win on this play. So when
you see a DD go back like you can tell
(16:34):
that momentum put him back one two steps, and then
he plants and tries to get back and close on
the play, your spider senses will tell you there was
a lot there because he's not just going to bail here.
He was too close to being in making a play.
Then we get to the pieces. I think that maybe
you're describing and I saw those, and that is is
this athlete that good? And yes they are to realize
(16:57):
at this moment, I can't make a play. I can't
get back. My only alternative now is potentially to do
what you said, Buck right embellies this and see my
last hope is this because I couldn't get back as
an athlete to get into the place. So let's try this.
I used to hate when they would run sweeps to
my side as a referee, and I saw that edge
(17:18):
Russia get beat and he's getting a little restriction and
I don't think it's enough. And as soon as the
back goes around him, he throws both of his hands
up in the air, and you would think, gosh, this
is going to be one where the grater is going
to tell me that that's enough for a hole right
at the edge, and the hands up in the air
is going to draw the attention to the evaluator. So
(17:39):
you write that play up and you let them know, Look,
I watched this in real time. This is what I felt.
Though you continue to do what you want to do.
It a great but yeah, I think there's pieces of that.
And then to be critical of myself. I think because
of the flopping and my basketball years, I was the
worst running into the kicker referee maybe in the history
of football, because every time that under gut touch, you know,
(18:02):
he was doing the pirouette and the fall, and I
wanted to give him a yellow card. And I was
reminded many times Coach arians a few and heated discussions
letting me know that running into the kicker is also
a five yard penalty. And I said, I know, Coach,
but he flopped and he goes, I understand that, but
he still did run into him. And I would kind
(18:22):
of look after being you know, disrobed for thirty seconds,
and agree with him and say, you know, you're probably
right it was running under the kicker. But we're going
to go off for TV right now, and well, you
can yell at me about something else in about another
twenty minutes, but no, I agree. See, I think that's
what I think. That's again, these are these nuances that
(18:43):
we want officials as they climb the ladders, to be
able to put into their craft. And it's not an
easy thing. It's hard as hell to do this, but
you've got to be able to process those elements. I
think buck to live in that space and be really
good at it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Espresso Bean Jean sterretur right here on the radio program Express.
So yeah, it just taps in a little bit of
the Italian heritage right there. Yeah, yeah, well we'll say,
I mean, the tush push isn't going to go anywhere.
We'll have to for time reasons, save that for next week.
(19:23):
But it is getting very interesting that tush push. I mean,
everybody's angry every single time that a play is called
for a toush push on both sides of the ball.
It's getting rather fascinating and I can't wait to get
your thoughts on it. But we'll have to save that
for next week. Sir, Thank you very much for joining us.
We appreciate it. And I won't see you. I won't
be on the show next week. I'll be taking some
(19:44):
time off. So happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll have a little tush
and a little push to talk about even after seven days.
So that's the best teams of the week. What is
waiting for a little toush push? I fell begga, Jean,
you have a great Thanksgiving thanks.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Jean Sterrator, CBS rules Analysts, a former NFL official, joining
us every Tuesday at this time thanks to BMW Seattle.
Looking for a new or used BMW or something else even,
go check out BMW Seattle, conveniently located between I five
and I ninety near the stadiums. I dress for that
guy nearly every Halloween. I'm Halloween, Jean Steret. We come
(20:27):
all right, coming up next like.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
A proud mom.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
There you good job, buddy, Everett FITZI will be with
us next. Speaking of proud moms, I think he's spending
the night in his old bedroom tonight as he calls
the Red Wings kracking game on kJ R.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, Big made it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Made a make success out of himself, going back home
to call a Red Wings game. Probably slept in his
old sheets. Is Miguel Cabrera bed sheets? Last night at
mom's house. She probably made him his favorite breakfast. And
now eleven thirty Detroit time. Probably just walking the streets
of Detroit right now, saying hello to the nicest people
(21:07):
in America?
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Ain't you proud?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
You know these don't leave me.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Good Morning's proof that man's in a good mood. You know,
like my, my, my steps, a little peppy or whatever.
You know, you come back to the city that made you.
At dinner with my mom last night, big al and
Mama fits and at dinner last night.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So it was fun.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
It's been a good couple of days.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Did you take him to Tommy's bar?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah, this doesn't ask.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
No, no, not the sun.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Well if you do, tell Tommy, we said, hi, yeah, exactly,
I'm picturing use this guy with cecil Fielder bed sheets.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
By the way, Oh, I.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Was so growling up. I was a really big Tigers
and Pistons fan. So I had like the Grant Hill
poster and like the old Bobby Higginson posters in my room. Wow,
Damien Easley, Tony Clark, some of those old nineties Tigers
who could barely win sixty five games like those, those
(22:21):
were the.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Teams that I fell in love with.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
They had a big Ernie Harwell a little sign in
my room as well.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So I actually have a Bobby Higginson story. I had
an ex girlfriend who I lived with, who had apparently
dated him, and she had a Toledo mud Hens jersey
from him. Yeah uh, and I ended up taking it.
Like not only was I not threatened. I want a
mud Hens jersey. I'll wear this, you know what.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
I appreciate that because I've had a few of my.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Favorite T shirts and sweatshirts taken from me in previous relationships,
So it feels good to see someone took one back
for the team.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
I appreciate it all.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you don't love him, right, all right, you're you're
moved on from him, and then just let me have
his jersey. Yeah, all right, Well let's talk some cracking hockey.
I mean, it has been a couple of minutes since
we last chatted with you, and they've had a couple
of nice wins over the Jets, the Sharks, who they
struck a little revenge with nine goals over two games.
(23:25):
I gotta believe that even without Joey Decord, they've built
about as much offensive momentum as they have all season
long heading into this game tonight.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yeah, who said this team couldn't score? Right?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
And you get one goal in three of your previous
four games and then you explode for five and four
and again, I think we've been taking this all year long.
Lane Lambert has been saying, you stick with the program,
you stick with that discipline and the offense will come.
And I think every game he's laid down a challenge
to this team, whether that's shoot the puck more. He
(23:58):
even said it after the Columbus game. You know, I
would like this these guys to be a little bit
more selfish, right. I know it flies in the face
of a lot of what we hear in hockey, but
be more selfish.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Take that shot. I still think we're looking for that
perfect seam pass. We're looking for that perfect shot. Just
put pucks on that.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Well, they listen in the Winnipeg game, you get five
and then they rinse and repeated against against San Jose
for four. So you know, we'll see if that continues
on the road. But I will say very encouraging positive
signs in the last two games. You pick up another
statement win against Winnipeg, you exact some revenge against San Jose.
(24:40):
Ten players get points in that Winnipeg game. I think
eight players had points in the San Jose game. So
now you're seeing the depth offense come. You're seeing the
offense come, and now we'll see if they can they
can keep it going here in Detroit.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Well Grooby filled in nice for the injured Matt Murray,
I mean, is Groovey back and are we feeling okay
about the whole Matt Murray uh decord situation.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Well, I think Grubauer, I mean, he is playing some
of the best hockey that I think we've seen from
him since that playoff year. Right, everyone loves to talk
about playoff groovy and and what he did during that run,
and you're starting to see, you know, quote unquote vintage Grubauer. Again,
Matt Murray did not make the trip for Seattle, so
(25:29):
it's Grubauer. Joey de Coord is on the ice right now.
He's getting those first reps. It looks like he may
be starting tonight. So yeah, that that, at least from
from what I'm reading in the tea, leaves the morning
skate here today and then that practice yesterday. He took
a lot of the first reps in practice yesterday. So
I it would it would appear to me that Joey
(25:52):
to Coord is going to be back tonight. We'll see
officially here after morning skate. But you know, Grubauer, I
think working with our new golden coach, Colin Zulianello, you know,
he's had to really colinize has had to really manage
this three goalie system, and and you know, there's all
types of egos that go into it, and that's not
(26:14):
a negative thing. But what he's been able to do
keeping all those guys ready to go, fresh, ready to play,
Matt Murray has been playing very, very well. Philip Grubauer,
we've seen now back to back games, including one in relief.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
You now have three very.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Viable options in goal for Seattle, which is in a shortened,
you know, tight season like we're going to have this
year in terms of back to backs and and you know,
games every other day, you're going to need your goalies going.
And I think right now that three goalie system is
proving that it's working.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He's colonized him, is what he's done. Colonized him. Fits
you is with us the voice of your Seattle crack.
And they face the Detroit Red Wings tonight four pm.
They will drop the puck three. He's pretty pregame right
here at Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
We did talk about the offense earlier. I mean, it's
a natural thing for fans to get excited about the future.
(27:09):
Players talk about Niemen and cat and and right and
even Venier is still a young player. But it's the veterans,
it's Schwartz and Everly that have really stepped up here
recently for this team.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah, they have, and I think you know that that
also comes with the type of coach that Lane is.
I think Jordan having played for Lane on Long Island
with the Islanders for all those years, he.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Knows what to expect out of him.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Jayden Schwartz, this type of system fits his game. You know,
he wants to be that power forward. He wants to
go to the net. He wants to get his hands
dirty and get into the mix and get into the fight.
So this type of style, I think, especially for those
two fit well.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
And you're almost seeing you know how.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
We recorded our latest episode back Weekly, which is up
on the Crack and Audio Network podcast channel right now.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
But he gave his his three stars of the.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Week two quote unquote the old guys, but in Schwartz
and Everly, because you know, even though they're they're among
the elder statesmen of this team, you're.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Seeing how valuable and how important they are.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
You're they're leading by example, and then you know it
doesn't take you long to look up and down the lineup,
guys like Tyke Krtie and Ryan Winterton, you know, doing
things that Everly and Schwartz are doing because they're they're
leading by example. So those are the two guys that
you need to get going because when they're going, everyone
else sees that everyone else follows suit.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
And that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So, well, they're not the steviee Eiserman Sergey Federal fred
Wings that little grew up with, but they do seem
to be improved. Give me, I only got about thirty seconds.
Give me a thirty second scouting report on the Red
Wings here tonight.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
I mean, the Red Wings are a team that they
need to take that next step. We got a lot
of really young, talented players. They've got two players in
their lineup this season that have been contributing.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
That are in their NHL debut season.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
So this is a team that they rely heavily on
Dylan Markin along with Alex to brink it. But they
also have some good young pieces, very much like a
San Jose in that they're young Anaheim as well.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
They're young, they're talented. They have a couple of vets
who've been.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Around the block, But it's for the most part, it's
the young players that are leading this team. They've narrowly
missed the playoffs the last couple of seasons and they're
trying to get back to the playoffs for the first
time and I think ten years, so that's unheard of
around these parts.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
So this is not going to be an easy game
by any means. For Seattle.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Have fun today, have fun tonight, have fun with mom
if you get to see her again before you have
to head out of town. And we will talk to
you next week, all right.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
All right, fellas Ashley, take care, we'll talk to you
all right.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Ever fits you the voice of your Seattle crack and
joining us Tuesday at this time again three thirty pregame
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Show right here at Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ r FM. Al Right, coming up next on our
radio program, more on Naylor, Josh Naylor's Day Today, and
(30:17):
of course the crystal ball has been cracked out here
on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
All Right, Rick New I's gonna join us at the
(30:38):
top of the hour. Nine o'clock. Also, the old judge
is gonna stand by today at nine thirty. Speaking of
later today, Josh Naylor will be reintroduced to his fan base.
He will have a press conference today. They have already
officially signed the papers, but they'll talk about it today
and then it'll feel even more official. It'll feel official
(31:00):
or your official ear. Yeah, yes, but I feel the
official elyst that it has felt so far. Yes, and
then tomorrow it'll be the mostest official to hear it
right out of his mouth versus just believing that he
signed a contract.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Right because I don't believe everything I read on the internet,
unlike some I do not.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Do you believe my crystal Ball predictions? Do they think
they're all going to come true this year?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:26):
But you've nailed the first one. I mean you didn't.
You hadn't written it yet, but we had spoken about that.
You thought they were going to do. The nailor things
are the biggest, most important crystal Ball decision. You were nailed.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
And I think that I think they'll get one of
Polanco or Sworez, and I don't think they will get
both Polanco Or and Sworez. But uh, I feel good
about that my only thing heading into this offseason, and
I I couldn't stop it. Just we're resigning Nailor and
Polanco and that's it. But there is a chance that
we're resigning Nailor and Polanco and that's it. I mean
(31:59):
there might not be.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
There will be other moves made.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean we even made a move for a lefty
reliever prior to the Josh Naylor announcement for goodness sake.
But anything of significance, anything that moves the needle. I mean,
there's a chance it might just be re signing Naylor
and re signing Polanco or Suarez.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
That might be it.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, well they'll have to do some other small stuff
in there, right, which you kind of have a couple
and I don't even know if those are small necessary.
I mean, if there's if they end up trading some
guys that are big leaguers, are close to big leaguers,
like Harry Ford for example, No, that would be.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
A significant Yeah, those I'm saying that I don't I
really even do that. I mean I put together in
the crystal ball just to have some fun. I put
some creative, you know, big ideas in there. But the
truth of the matter is, I really don't trust that
they're gonna do anything significant, significant beyond resigning Naylor and
(32:53):
re signing one of.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Those two guys.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, well, I'm with you on that. I think that
you know, there they did that tradd with the Dodgers
for that young lefty that you know went a ball high,
a w a tripley I think this last year, and
so maybe he's a guy that turns into a bullpen piece.
It's possible next year, but it's probably more of a
future type thing. Those are small moves. They're going to
(33:16):
do some of those, for sure. Throughout the course of
the offseason. I hope that they do more than that,
that they try to shake things up a little bit.
And in order to do that, they're probably going to
have to do some things that they are going to
make some people uncomfortable, whether it's moving on from you know,
a high priced guy or you know, trading away some
(33:38):
big time prospector guy that we were starting to like
or can't wait to see.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well, they certainly you are in a position to do that,
and that is move a player now. But the first
thing's first, Because I believe this organization on its face
when they talk about we have financial restrictions. Maybe they
are self imposed, but we have financial restrictions. So and
Jerry and Justin get done with a regular season and
(34:02):
they host a postgame or postseason press conference and they say,
we're going to be able to get to start next
year with the payroll that we ended with this year,
which is a bump from where we were a year
ago at this time. I believe them. I believe them.
And so if they're going to do anything beyond Naylor
and let's say Polonco, let's just go ahead and give
(34:24):
us Polonko, they're probably going to have to move some money.
And the only two guys that really fit that description
are either Randy a. Rose Arena, who's got one year
sixteen million dollars left on his deal before he becomes
a free agent, and then the other one is Castillo,
who makes two years twenty two and a half over
the next couple of years. So two years forty five
(34:45):
is what's left on his contract, plus a mutual option
for an additional year. You're going to have to move
one of those guys, if we're to believe on their
face they're not going to add payroll beyond what they
had at the end of this past season. You're gonna
have to move one of those two guys in order
to create some other splash move this offseason. Yeah, and
(35:05):
even that in and of itself is a splash move.
You're moving Castillo or Randy Rose Arena, that's a significant move.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Yeah, And yet that's I mean, I don't want him
to and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, just
simply because I think what they how they value guys
is oftentimes different than how others value them. And yet,
I mean, I think that if there's been the idea
where they're probing around saying, hey, who's interested in Luis Castile,
or there's got to be a lot of teams that
(35:33):
would be interested in Luis Castile. But for how much,
I mean, do you still consider him a top of
the rotation guy. I think he can pitch like a
top of the rotation guy. He for the most part,
he does have times where he pitches down to his
competition a little bit, and all of a sudden, the
team that he could you just figure he should be
able to maybe not breeze through five innings, but really
(35:54):
work five six innings and give you, you know, and
and be dominant, like he's capable of still being he
didn't necessarily do it. But is somebody else out there,
like I'll pay him twenty two million bucks a year
to come here and be our third starter.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
And yet if it's if he would, if you would
bring him in thinking he's going to be our ace,
then you probably are not in a position where you're
really wanting to pay anybody twenty two million dollars at
the top of your rotation. You're probably in some sort
of rebuild. So it's an interesting situation considering all the
moving parts. When you look at the teams, the free
agents that are out there, but then the teams that
are the guys that are under contract, and how do
(36:31):
you move guys around? They just have a lot of prospects,
and so I'm hoping that they do something a little
bit splashy. I wouldn't mind them not waiting until the
deadline to figure out where their hole is and instead
trying to address some of them beforehand.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But obviously, if you're going to move prospect, you're moving
for a player, right Yeah, And so now you're adding payroll,
So you got a clear payroll first in order to
add payroll.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yeah, and I understand how you do the crystal ball
where you're trying to meld the two between what they
typically do and I'm just hoping that there's a shift
in what they typically do. This Josh Naylor signing is
a bit of a shift. Now, it doesn't change the
overall bottom line, but I'm hoping they kind of do
all right.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
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