November 19, 2025 • 34 mins
CAM CLEELAND (Learfield Wahington color analyst) If College Coaches can’t be happy at premium programs, where will they be happy? The Huskies head to UCLA this weekend for perhaps the last time at the Rose Bowl. :30- Chuck put out his 2026 Crystal Ball predictions for the Seattle Mariners and with Naylor already locked up, we discuss the other possibilities, including Jorge Polanco and Geno Suarez. If we were to have an offseason of adding free agents, where does the money come from? Are Castillo and Arozarena possible trade pieces? :45- We revisit the K-9 vs Charbonnet conversation with a look at what Gregg Bell had to say about the run game earlier this morning.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Your own for Husky Football probably presents our weekly visit
with a voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Now here's chucking bug with a former Husky tight end
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
H.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yes, it's time to talk to Cam Cleveland here on
the program. I just want to say one other things
and then we'll get Cam's thoughts on this. From the
previous segment, like Ole miss is getting recruiting classes on
par with Alabama for the first time like ever. Part
of that is Lane Kiffin, I think is pretty gifted
in a living room, pretty charming guy when he wants
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to be pretty charismatic. But other part of it is
he's getting the nil moneies. Even though he doesn't have
a program as elite as LSU or Florida, He's still
winning and out recruiting nearly everybody in the SEC right now.
So what is the problem, Lane?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Why?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why are you looking for green or grass when you
actually are beating some of those blue bloods at the
recruiting game because of you, and you're in il monies
and because Oxford is such a cool campus.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, unless he just feels like, boy, I can imagine
how great my recruiting could be if I could just
put a fence around Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Nobody's putting a fence around Florida. You got Miami, you
got Florida State, and you got everybody in the country
trying to take players out of Florida.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
If you're a coach, especially these top guys, and they
probably think, oh, just imagine what I could do with that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, joining us now is Cam Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Good morning, Cam, Hey, good morning, gentlemen. How's it treating
you well?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I just you can weigh in on this, because I
just spent the last second talking to if Steve Sarkeesian
can't be happy in Austin, Texas running the Texas Longhorns,
and there are reports that he wants out, and Lane
Kiffin is once out of Oxford, where he's being treated
like a god because ell Miss has reached its greatest
heights under his direction. I mean, we've spent five years
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in this nil period, coaches complaining that there's no loyalty
from these players, and it's like, well, there's no loyalty
with you either. I mean, if you can't be happy
at Austin, Texas. Where are you going to be happy?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Cam?
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Well, that's I think that's the dilemma that we're in.
And then the the point all of it is is
doesn't matter what brand you wear in your helmet or
what logo you have, if you have people with revenue
that are willing to spend it, you can win.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, And I think that Kurt.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I think, guys, really, I think Kurt Signetti changed college
football in his two years. I think he has thrown
an extremely massive monkey ranch.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Into college football.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
And it's not just his It's not like just what
he was able to accomplish so quickly. It's because these
conferences are so big, and that scheduling is it's impossible
to balance scheduling, so you get big sways and misses
with certain and how it's built. Like cal Wisconsin had
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to play a one of the hardest schedules, if not
the hardest schedule in all of the country, and somehow
Indiana has had easy schedules the last two years. I
don't want to say what it's easy, but you know
what I mean. When you have an eighteen team conference
and you have a sixteen team conference and everybody's looking
for grass is always greener. I don't think it exists, guys,
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I don't. I think Clyde. I think the way the
classes are now, I think that talent has been spread out. Yep,
you cannot have three deep anymore. You're lucky to have
a deep and a half because if you don't play
that kid, guess what he guess where he goes. He's
Juliansane from Alabama. Now he's could be the number one
quarterback in all the country at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's how it happens, and it happens quick.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, everybody brings up the Indiana signetti and it's a
great example. But look at what Texas Tech did. Texas
Tech became the same thing powerhouse overnight because they have
three or four guys nil money that are like, go
get whoever you want, coach. You know it just I
just want the Raiders to win oil money. Yes, and
now all of a sudden they're an overnight powerhouse. I mean,
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is there any advantage at being at Florida over Texas Tech?
Right now? As the head coach, I think I'd want
to be where I've got rich oil, silly rich oil
guys giving me money to go get players.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Well, and truthfully, everybody else that's looking around the country,
you know what, you know, who's this over there laughing going, guys,
welcome to our Oregan and Phil they've been They're like, hey,
welcome to our blueprint. Welcome to the blueprint. And we've
been doing this longer than you guys have been awake.
You just figuring this out. So I mean, you guys
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are all acting like we like we created this, and
I'm not kidding you. They did, and they're up in
the top corner and they've had to pull people and
get guys from around the country. And so yeah, you're
you're exactly right. I'd like to go to a place,
and it just depends on the kind of coach and
the kind of person you want to be with us.
And right now, unfortunately, and I'm going to say the
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reality of what it is, the SEC controls college football,
ESPN controls college football. The mouths and the eyes do it,
and that is the conference that everybody thinks is the mecca.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But unfortunate, but also the.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Last two college football champions come from the Big Ten,
so there's been a little bit of monkey Ranch.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
In their mind.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
So there's a lot of there's a lot of drama.
It's like a giant soap opera a college football and
I kind of like it.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Like well, I mean time is somewhat into you, Dubbed
then I mean if if the the grass is greener
on the other side of the fence for a lot
of these coaches, I mean, where is the feeling right
now for you? And what do you think the national
feeling is about you? Dub Is you Dubbs grass well
really green? Because I mean we've we've we're still here
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in rumors of whether Jedfish is wanting to stay or
whether he would think that there's a greener grass.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Well, I take I'm a Husky for life. I'm never
going to deviate from from what I I mean, I
was born to play and that's it may sound a
little cheesy, but I grew up in the Northwest and
I always wanted to wear that. So that's my connection,
is my regional connection. You can't take that away. That's
never College football is way too regional, it's way too tribal.
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It's it's it we're trying to create.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Though.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
My my concern it always is, is I want to
I want to make Husky fans. I want to create
a new a new group of young kids and families
that take their kids to Husky games. And that's that's
how you do it. And I want it to be
their religion. It's that sounds strange, but you want to
talk about it during the week. You want to have that.
That's my only fear of what I look regionally and
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why it's different. And I think we can still get that.
But when we talk about what coach Fish does, I
have no idea. I mean the way he wants to
be right now, he's washing Husk he's head coach, and I,
like I said last week, I'm fully on board with
supporting it. And when you look at this talent that
we do have, look at all the freshmen. Nobody's playing
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more freshmen in the country than Jed Fish. Over two
thousand snaps have come from true freshmen this year. That's incredible,
the amount of kids that he's had, and it really
shows the depth and how he's building it and what
he's had to build with young talent, and how the
cupboards were bare when Calen left and how he had
to interject his type of guy but go on the
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transfer portal and now you're sitting at seven wins. You
have a chance to get to eight and nine and
knock off Oregan. I have to take a positive spin
on this when he's been able to do because there's
been guys that have taken over programs and it's ugly
and it's and not been able to be significant. So
he's done a great job so far in this two
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year run and he's building young talent and getting guys
to be here, and that's what it takes.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
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Thanks to Warrior Injury law, battle tested, well, Washington gets
back on the winning track Saturday against Purdue. I know
(08:29):
Purdue's not a good team, but what were beyond the score,
the encouraging signs that the Huskies got back on track
toward becoming a better team growing last week against the
boiler Makers.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well, let's start with the good stuff. Is being able
to run the football? That was really good. Everybody wants
to talk about how well the offense played and demand played.
I thought that was great. You had to move John
Mills to right tackle, which was again, here's an eight
teen year old kid now that can be one of
the most versatile alignment in the country. Jumps to the
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right side. You're redoing a little bit of your out.
You lose your best wide receiver, you have your starting
running backs not out. But then you bring in a
young freshman, you have Adam Muhammad, and you ran the
football extremely well and you took care of the football.
The thing that I'm really impressed with right now, guys,
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is how good our defense is playing and how well
they're playing. And you know, coach Walters, he had I
don't know if he had extra motivation, but he was
very familiar with that team and their scheme and the
coaches and what they wanted to do. And I don't
see a lot of two quarterback systems that I would
ever play. And Purdue tried to play it. Although they played.
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I wanted Middleton the most, but it it's just it.
It didn't look like it was working, but it didn't
matter because our defense was playing, I mean, lights out secondary.
So I'm I'm crazy encouraged with how well, the defense
is playing, especially under these last two games, and seeing
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our offense it is still it's still a work in progress.
I'm just going to tell you Demon was better in
the pocket.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You could.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Coach Fist said that in his press conference, also mentioning
out he was more efficient in the pocket getting ready
of the football. Decorad Graft was really good. You got
to see him catch the football a lot. But we're
we're a strange group. Forty five points that we score
on average at home in Big Ten, seven points on
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the road.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Our offense scores in the Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
That is an extreme discrepancy between the two offenses. One
is a home cooking one is I don't know, you're
eating kale on the road.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
So whatever, we need to figure it out. And when
we go down to the Rose Bowl this week, we
have to take maybe it's a southern drop, that's a
better plane flight that direction, I means mid the east
flight is not as good. So we need to find
a way to take that offense and put some points
up on grass cam.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
The The defense has been pretty impressive. I mean, I
think coming into the season most were thinking the secondary,
especially with the length on the outside, was going to
be good. And yet I remember thinking the first couple
of games, even against like Colorado State, that they was like, boy,
there's times when the front seven didn't necessarily are you
are you feeling like the front seven that the run
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defense has short itself up to over the last few weeks.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, I think not only just the run defense, but
the linebacker crew. And again another freshman's day, Zadari's Rainy
Salle who's he had to pick? I thought he was
one of his best games. Not only had him as
player of the game. On the defense, a lot of
solo tackles, the linebacker crew, x Ray, Alexander who, all
those guys have settled in and they just settled into
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a good feeling. And everybody that we faced this year,
guys has run.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
This exact same offense.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Like look, chick Kelly changed college football, but even what
he did at Ohio State, everybody in the Big Ten
copies and when I mean everybody, every except us, like
one of us and probably now I would say maybe USC,
but everybody has copycat styles. And Purdue was exactly the same.
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They ran the same thing as Ohio State, the same
thing as Wisconsin, because Wisconsin changed their offense that week
to try to adapt to more run schemes. You've seen
it from anybody that wants to run double polls or
downhill tight ends crossing the way Michigan runs it. We've
had to adapt and coach Walters and that crew has
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gotten so much better with their discipline. Now, yes, the
talent is different. It's not Ohio State, it's not Michigan. Okay,
you faced the Illinois team who ran that same style
and he played very very well. The elements were garbage
at Wisconsin and this week e c La. I don't
know what you're gonna see. I mean, there's just it
could be anything. I mean, Jerry Neuheisel, I mean, we
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all know what. Who knows what.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
They could throw monkey wrenches in whatever they want to run.
It doesn't matter. I think this defense is playing excellent. Man.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I mean, I think I think you've gone You've given
two compliments to Orgon. That's two more than I think
you're allowed to give to the organ DUC program.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Well, I mean, not a compliment, it's just stating facts.
But that's staying it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Don't say that on that matter.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Very good facts, Good job before we get to UCLA.
You know, it seems you brought the freshman thing up,
and I do want to ask, is John Mills so
good that I mean, is he inevitably going to be
left tackle? Not just with the Huskiers, but that's his
long term NFL as well? And then Jordan Washington, I mean,
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he's kind of has an unorthodox gait about him. He
looked kind of you know, I don't know, there was
just like too much. It didn't look like Carl Lewis,
you know, running, and yet he was running away from
fools on Saturday. How fast is that, dude? So Mills
future left tackle? How fast is Jordan Washington?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well say it with me.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
With all those freshmen, I mean, and I'm so great
to hear that. Raydon Winesbright is okay after that shot.
I know that's all scary too. But the freshman Des
Roebuck and then Jordan Washington and John Mills, And yeah,
I think Johnny is just because he's physically so gifted
at his size already he could play anywhere on the
offensive line. But I think eventually you have to make
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what's called a business decision, right, and that's fair.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I'm not gonna.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I mean, when you're six six almost six seven, three
hundred and thirty pounds and you can play. Now, the
thing is when you play out on the edge at
left tackle, you have to be as athletic and long
and strong, and he has all those abilities. So yeah,
I think he can play that spot. I'm not going
to tell you that he can't play guard also, but
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it really depends on where he wants to settle in
and what he figures out.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Is his best side.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
He might like the I tackle side, truthfully, and and
we'll see. But Jordan is again, you don't really notice
how fast somebody is until you see them run a
play and you go, all right, that guy should have
the angle on him. Nope, nope not and he goes
by everybody. Yeah, he's he's pretty fast. And I said
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this on the broadcast. I'd love to see him in
demand in a race, and I've heard the word is
they're very close and demand is faster, and I went, okay,
now that's different. Uh, but it's but in my mind
when I see a freshman run like that, I think
long time ago. I know, back in when we were
still chewing on on bones and and and in cars
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with our feet like Fred Flintstone, I think a Napoleon
Kaufman watching a freshman turn a corner. That's that's the
kind of speed he has. Uh Now, strength wise, it's
he needs. As he gets stronger in the weight room,
he comes better. But yeah, it's you don't. That's just
a gift, guys, you just don't. You can't just make that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
A kid just shows up on campus and can run
like that is incredible.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Obviously, you want to find a way to win this
game against UCLA this weekend. I think Havin Jonah Coleman
and Boston Denzel Boston back would be one step in
that right direction. Any word or what do you think
about their availability?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Yeah, I haven't seen it, and so truthfully, guys, I don't.
I wouldn't expect it, not that I have. Again, I'm
not the insider that it talks to the trainers and
all of that. But I'm looking at it from a
perspective of these guys are both high competitive. It's gonna
be hard to keep them off the field. But can
you win this football game? And my question is, can
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you win this football game at UCLA with who you
have in the receiver room? And who you have in
the running back room right now on the road against
UCLA without those two guys, I feel like you can
if you play the way you should the way you
should like you do at Husky Stadium and compliment that
on the road and save those guys healthwise. For arguably
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it's going to be the biggest game of the season
at the end of the year. But you have to
win this one. You can't lay the egg and overlook
like you did at Wisconsin and Elements or Elements. You
have to win games week ot and weekend and week out.
So what I'd love to see them on the field,
of course I would, because they are difference makers. And
if they're not, then again, we got a bunch of
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freshmen that are excited to play.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm happy to see more Jordan Washington. Frankly, nothing against
Jonah Coleman, but I'd like to see him play a
little bit more in this game against the Bruins. All right,
in our last minute here, isn't it nice to face
a conference rival that's actually a conference rival?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
How about that there's actually familiarity And the other thing
is there's history and we're losing the Rose Bowl. Guys,
we're losing the Rose Bowl. Now, I know why they're
going to go to Sofar. I get it, there's more
amenities there. But the thing that the Rose Buls no
longer be part of UCLA. Ah, it just that hurts.
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Everything we grew up with, guys, is just gone. It's
small as much a small a small whipper in my voice.
It's a little disappointing. But hopefully the Rose Bowl figures
it out and we get the national championship game. There
forever figure it out, college football.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Figure it out, college football. All right, man, great stuff,
as always, Thank you very much. We appreciate it. To
enjoy the weekend. We'll be listening, all right, guys, thank you,
all right. Camp Cleanland joining us right here on Chucking
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up next. We have not had a chance to really
discuss my crystal Ball forecast, and so as we enter
(19:02):
into hot Stove, and thank you Josh Naylor for lighting
and burners. Because I really feel like we're already going
this off season. I had to crank my crystal Ball
forecast out this week for what I think the Mariners
could do this offseason to make this a championship team.
We'll go over at next Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM Jerry Depoto to talk about Josh Naylor and
(19:25):
the rest of the off season. So we're excited having
chatted with Jerry in a while, so he'll join us
today again live at nine o'clock. Also brand new Stove
podcast with Anders Hurst and myself. We went over my
crystal Ball forecast for the off season for the Mariners
on this particular episode. If you want to check that
out out check that out ninety three to three KJR
(19:45):
dot com. And you can also read if you want
to just go, you know, kick an old school. You
can actually read because the old crystal Ball forecast is
there for you to read. It's rather lengthy. I mean,
I'm sorry, it's not just thirteen words that you can
breeze through. But nonetheless it's a breakdown of what I
think could happen for the Mariners this offseason, and it's
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actually important to kind of remind you of what it's
all about. I gladly accept the financial restrictions Jerry and
Justin admittedly operate under to create a doable laundry list
of roster moves that I believe would deliver a world
championship to Seattle. So that's the mindset going into doing
the crystal Ball forecast. Anybody can put together a wish
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list and spend the Mariners off this Mariner's Ownership's money.
I need Kyle Tooker, Kyle Schwarber, and Trek Schouble. You know,
anybody can put that together. I try to stay within
the parameters that the organization has set forth for how
much they're going to spend this offseason to try and
create a better team, a better roster to finally win
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a championship. So that included Josh Naylor being re signed.
Check that included either Polonko or swore As being signed.
I think that will be the next thing, and according
bucket to Justin Holander, might be the next two things.
I operate under the belief, and it is detailed in
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the crystal Ball forecast that it will be Polanco or
swore As, with Polonko being the priority. But Justin Olander
said yesterday that they want to re sign all three
of them, Naylor, Polanco, and Suarez this offseason. That'd be nice,
that'd be nice. I take that.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, that's kind of where my mind has been at.
And I mean my heart is like, oh man, you're
asking for too much. It's we're creeping up on the
Christmas time of year, and I don't know what your
folks did, but my folks would give us like the J. C.
Pennies catalog or whatever, and we would turn to the
toy section and we got to circle what we wanted.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh, I've never even heard of this, the Draftmas catalog.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Well, I mean, I didn't know if your parents did
that during Christmas or not, but I we we ended up.
You know, I would circle a whole bunch of things,
basically knowing there's no chance I'm winning at all of that, right,
and yet this is one where I don't want to
just circle two things. I circled in big boat like
a bunch of circles around Josh Nato.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That was first and foremost.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
And yet if they end with just that, like literally
come back sands Polonko sans Gino, then I'm like, you're
playing with fire here. Did you not really recognize and
feel what we did last season and how fun that was?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And still it would be we already have a better
off season than we had last year. Yeah, even if
it just stops they don't do anything else, if they
just go fishing in Barbados, we already have had a
better off season than we had all of last year.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yes, yes, a full season of Naylor versus most of
the season of Solano. That's an alligator mouth towards nails.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, And yet there's part of me while I understand
the exercises trying to figure out what they could and
maybe would do within the parameters that we we recognize
they set upon themselves and they feel that they have.
And yet to me it's hopefully the ownership is the
ownership you'd need when you need them to be willing
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to open it up a little bit. I mean the
fact that they end up playing as many postseason games
this year that you'd get none of that money if
you don't make the postseason, hopefully that like, well, look
at all this extra cash we got, let's go ahead
and not just bring back one or two, but possibly
entertain the idea of having all three.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I think it goes the opposite way. I think since
they had what I felt was an f of an
offseason and then still had created a playoff caliber team,
and then when the time came to add the real
important pieces for the most important games of the year,
that they were aggressive at the trading deadline. Gave them
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a chance to assess what they do have in house,
and then also gave that chance to assess the market.
I think they're probably emboldened by that and probably less
likely to go further and do that offseason that they've
never done, which is ad spend a lot of money
and add a lot of free agents or recent or
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go over the projected payroll. My guess is they're less
likely Ashley to do that than they've been before.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
I would think so too, because they had success with
the formula last year, so I.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Think they're in love with the formula last.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Year and again Jerry brought it up in his post
game or postseason comments. He talked about the success of
that formula. He said, it worked with Luis Castillo when
we brought him in, and then we were able to
keep him long term. It's you know, and that's our
goal with Naylor and Suarez and is to have these
guys come in at the best time of year in Seattle,
fall in love with the city, fall in love with
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the team, and then make their job easier to try
to resign them.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, it did work. It's worked two times with two
major players here in Castillo and Naylor. And so I
think Castillo is the crux of the Crystal Ball forecast
because if you do want an offseason that includes not
just bringing back at least two of those three guys
that we mentioned, maybe adding something because there's always fun
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adding something as well. I mean, you don't want to
just get your same favorite toy back at Christmas. You know,
mom goes in the back and just rewraps your favorite
toy that you already had for the last year. I mean,
you want something new, something that you circled into your catalog. So,
if we're to believe that the Mariners aren't going to
go beyond the payroll they finished with at least to
start the season, in twenty twenty six, that means you
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have to create money somewhere. That means you probably have
to trade Luis Castillo. It could be Randy a Rose Arena,
but Castillo, to me, makes the most sense to move
on from now. I have predicted that he was going
to be traded now too off seasons in a row.
But if you are going to stick to that salary cap,
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self imposed salary cap that you've given yourself getting rid
of Luis Castillo, and I hate to put it that way,
but I don't think you're going to get that much
in return for him. That's probably the crux of this offseason,
whether you can move him and his entire salary to
create more spending area.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
If that's the way that it has to go, I
suppose that you know it's it's understandable. I mean, because
you are basically relinquishing a piece, and he's been a
good piece, and maybe he hasn't been the ace, but
that's in large part because you've got a bunch of
youngsters that are chomping at the bit to overtake him,
and and have overtaken him to some degree. And yet
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I understand how that would make sense if they if
they were going to if they were going to move
on from somebody where there's money involved, then it's you
move on from the place that you have you know
a lot of and that is starting pitching. I mean,
they have a lot of good young starting pitching. They're
not paying a bunch of money to you know. To me,
that would hopefully open up the check book a little
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bit to where they can start the process of what
I want him to do long term wise, and that
start locking some of these guys up, locking Gilbert up.
But if it's still they're going to kick that can
down the road and just do the arbitration thing with
him and the rest of these guys that are eligible,
and they could go out and spend money on another
bat possibly somewhere, whether it's the Polonco and Suarez something
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like that. Then I like that idea because you do
have guys waiting in the wings that are capable of
filling that fifth spot in the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I think Gilbert is a very strong candidate for one
of those extensions. I did not mention that in the
my Crystal Ball forecast, and I meant to. I think
he is the candidate this offseason to possibly be given
one of those extensions, not only because he's going to
be a free agent faster than any of the other
starting pitchers, but also he seems like the type of
guy that wants to be here, doesn't want to leave Cal' side,
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loves being a Mariner, and wants to finish this thing off.
I think he's the most likely candidate to give you
a little bit of a deal, and so I think
they are going to work on that this offseason. But
if you do move Castillo, and I'm not saying that
they will, but if they do move Castillo and it
does free ups, it'll be interesting to see if they
use that savings to go out and find a cheaper,
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not necessarily a worse but a cheaper pitch starting pitcher,
like I suggest Joe Ryan of Minnesota, who will cost
you some prospects. He's gonna cost you a really good
package of players. Go but he only costs six million dollars.
So go get a Joe Ryan. Or do you trade
from that strength that is your starting pitching And if
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you can't resign all three of those guys, do you
go after a bat And that's where maybe Muna Takie Morikami,
the new Japanese import that is coming over that the
Mariners have been linked to a lot might come into
the conversation.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
I I I just my priority obviously, as you said,
the keeping logan Gilbert great. As far as Luis Castillo,
we've talked about getting rid of him, as you mentioned
several times, and that he is a trade possibility. His
salary is high. So if there's the right thing that
you could get rid of him, and then you're doing
something not just My only concern is that they'd trade
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them away just to save money and then not really
replace him with anything.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm operating under the belief that if you have given
yourself a self imposed salary cap, then you are trading
him strictly for the purpose of better using the money.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
So if you could move him and you wouldn't get
much in return to a team that desperately needs a
starting pitcher, now you've got money to work with, and
maybe that is because you have prospects to move. You
can trade prospects for a Joe Ryan who only makes
six million dollars and is better and younger than Castillo. Yeah,
and now you use your what you do have. If
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you don't have money. You do have prospects to move,
and so you use Castillo to get rid of him,
to get the money that you need, to use the
prospects for a trade to get the cheaper, better, younger
pitcher to add to the starting rotation. And now suddenly
you're even better in your starting rotation and you have
a little bit of money left over to spend on offense.
Great in theory, it's great in theory, but again, they've
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got to find a taker for Luis Castillo. From what
I heard in the off season, they tried. They when
they did knock on doors, everybody they asked wanted them
to eat money. And that was a year ago. So
he's got even less trade value one year later, with
making twenty two and a half million dollars per year.
We're gonna ask Jerry Depoto about some of these things,
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not all of them that would be prying, but he'll
be joining us at nine o'clock today. Coming up next,
are we going to see more canine in our future?
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM Jerry Depoto coming
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up at nine o'clock to try live conversation with Jerry
Depoto about the Mariners off season, which is off to
fly and start. Resigning Josh Naylor this week to a
five year contract, and so excited to chat with Jerry,
first time in a while that we've had a chance
to sit down with the president. A couple of news items.
Michael Pennix did have season ending knee surgery. He's going
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to be out for the year with that and should
be recovered by the time the season starts next year.
And don't be surprised if Steve Sarkesian is not his
next head coach, if he really wants out of Texas,
He's got Falcons ties, so maybe he ends up together
with Michael Pennis, a guy that once dominated him in
a football game I remember. But let's talk speaking of
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football about the Seahawks. A lot of conversation about whether
or not we're going to see more canine going forward.
Ken Walker the third and we chatted with Greig Bell
a little bit earlier this show. Bucky brought up the
point that maybe Zach Sharboney is getting so much more
playing time than we thought he was going to get
because of just how great he is as a pass blocker.
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Where that is an area that Ken Walker struck bugs in,
and so we asked Greg Bell how that factors into
the decision as to whether or not Walker gets more
carries moving forward.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Well, that does explain why he's in the game in
two minute drill and on third downs and when you
go that often are a lot of plays and that
explains a large reason why he has got more snaps
overall percentage of snaps forty nine to forty five, even
though he's.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
Played one fewer game. That is why they've been trusting
him in those spots.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I would submit it in a normal season, Yeah, that's
a big deal. The way that the Seahawks have kept
Donald for getting sacked, the way Kubiak schemes off a
play action and rollouts running away from pressure off the
run game has kept him away from sacks. Ten sacks
and ten games. I would think it's time to say, Okay,
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maybe we don't need the extra protector as the running
back here. And it's not like Walker doesn't do it.
He's not as good and it's just not as stout
of a guy. He's more of a shifty, loose of
eel white guy. But he can do it if he
has to.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
He's more of an accid in catching and running after
the catch in the pass game. McDonald mentioned that when
I asked him about Walker getting more opportunities, because it's
not just in the run game, it's in the pass game. Two,
he had the twenty three yard catch and run and
the fourth quarter drive that he ended up scoring the
one yard touchdown run later.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
In the drive.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
He started another drive earlier in the half with an
eighteen yard catch and run. But those are just two
yard dump out passes that he turned into twenty yard games.
Charony doesn't do that, So to me, let's hedge a
little bit on Okay, we think our offensive line and
scheme can take care of Donald getting sacked. Let's go
to the more explosive player in the backfield for options,
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even as a safety valve guy who could turn a
two yard pass into an eighteen yard run. Bottom line is,
it's time for Kenneth Walker, both for him and for
the Seahawks. Seven games left in his contract.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Let him go now.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think everybody's in agreement this week. It's time to
see more Ken Walker. It's time to make him more
of the number one running back. But that's an excellent
point about the Zach Charbonay pass blocking abilities, because you
certainly want Sam Darnold to continue to excel at the
level he's been excelling at prior to Sunday, and if
Charbonay's helping with that, you know, it's a reason for
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having him in the football game, all right. Al Kiniski
joins us later in the show, but coming up next,
Jerry Depoto will be with US Live to talk about
the Mariners offseason on Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ RFM.
Your own for Husky Football probably presents our weekly visit
with a voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Now here's chucking bug with a former Husky tight end
on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R F m.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
H.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yes, it's time to talk to Cam Cleveland here on
the program. I just want to say one other things
and then we'll get Cam's thoughts on this. From the
previous segment, like Ole miss is getting recruiting classes on
par with Alabama for the first time like ever. Part
of that is Lane Kiffin, I think is pretty gifted
in a living room, pretty charming guy when he wants
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to be pretty charismatic. But other part of it is
he's getting the nil moneies. Even though he doesn't have
a program as elite as LSU or Florida, He's still
winning and out recruiting nearly everybody in the SEC right now.
So what is the problem, Lane?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Why?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why are you looking for green or grass when you
actually are beating some of those blue bloods at the
recruiting game because of you, and you're in il monies
and because Oxford is such a cool campus.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, unless he just feels like, boy, I can imagine
how great my recruiting could be if I could just
put a fence around Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Nobody's putting a fence around Florida. You got Miami, you
got Florida State, and you got everybody in the country
trying to take players out of Florida.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
If you're a coach, especially these top guys, and they
probably think, oh, just imagine what I could do with that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, joining us now is Cam Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Good morning, Cam, Hey, good morning, gentlemen. How's it treating
you well?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I just you can weigh in on this, because I
just spent the last second talking to if Steve Sarkeesian
can't be happy in Austin, Texas running the Texas Longhorns,
and there are reports that he wants out, and Lane
Kiffin is once out of Oxford, where he's being treated
like a god because ell Miss has reached its greatest
heights under his direction. I mean, we've spent five years
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in this nil period, coaches complaining that there's no loyalty
from these players, and it's like, well, there's no loyalty
with you either. I mean, if you can't be happy
at Austin, Texas. Where are you going to be happy?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Cam?
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Well, that's I think that's the dilemma that we're in.
And then the the point all of it is is
doesn't matter what brand you wear in your helmet or
what logo you have, if you have people with revenue
that are willing to spend it, you can win.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, And I think that Kurt.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I think, guys, really, I think Kurt Signetti changed college
football in his two years. I think he has thrown
an extremely massive monkey ranch.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Into college football.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
And it's not just his It's not like just what
he was able to accomplish so quickly. It's because these
conferences are so big, and that scheduling is it's impossible
to balance scheduling, so you get big sways and misses
with certain and how it's built. Like cal Wisconsin had
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to play a one of the hardest schedules, if not
the hardest schedule in all of the country, and somehow
Indiana has had easy schedules the last two years. I
don't want to say what it's easy, but you know
what I mean. When you have an eighteen team conference
and you have a sixteen team conference and everybody's looking
for grass is always greener. I don't think it exists, guys,
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I don't. I think Clyde. I think the way the
classes are now, I think that talent has been spread out. Yep,
you cannot have three deep anymore. You're lucky to have
a deep and a half because if you don't play
that kid, guess what he guess where he goes. He's
Juliansane from Alabama. Now he's could be the number one
quarterback in all the country at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's how it happens, and it happens quick.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, everybody brings up the Indiana signetti and it's a
great example. But look at what Texas Tech did. Texas
Tech became the same thing powerhouse overnight because they have
three or four guys nil money that are like, go
get whoever you want, coach. You know it just I
just want the Raiders to win oil money. Yes, and
now all of a sudden they're an overnight powerhouse. I mean,
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is there any advantage at being at Florida over Texas Tech?
Right now? As the head coach, I think I'd want
to be where I've got rich oil, silly rich oil
guys giving me money to go get players.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Well, and truthfully, everybody else that's looking around the country,
you know what, you know, who's this over there laughing going, guys,
welcome to our Oregan and Phil they've been They're like, hey,
welcome to our blueprint. Welcome to the blueprint. And we've
been doing this longer than you guys have been awake.
You just figuring this out. So I mean, you guys
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are all acting like we like we created this, and
I'm not kidding you. They did, and they're up in
the top corner and they've had to pull people and
get guys from around the country. And so yeah, you're
you're exactly right. I'd like to go to a place,
and it just depends on the kind of coach and
the kind of person you want to be with us.
And right now, unfortunately, and I'm going to say the
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reality of what it is, the SEC controls college football,
ESPN controls college football. The mouths and the eyes do it,
and that is the conference that everybody thinks is the mecca.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But unfortunate, but also the.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Last two college football champions come from the Big Ten,
so there's been a little bit of monkey Ranch.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
In their mind.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
So there's a lot of there's a lot of drama.
It's like a giant soap opera a college football and
I kind of like it.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Like well, I mean time is somewhat into you, Dubbed
then I mean if if the the grass is greener
on the other side of the fence for a lot
of these coaches, I mean, where is the feeling right
now for you? And what do you think the national
feeling is about you? Dub Is you Dubbs grass well
really green? Because I mean we've we've we're still here
(06:01):
in rumors of whether Jedfish is wanting to stay or
whether he would think that there's a greener grass.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Well, I take I'm a Husky for life. I'm never
going to deviate from from what I I mean, I
was born to play and that's it may sound a
little cheesy, but I grew up in the Northwest and
I always wanted to wear that. So that's my connection,
is my regional connection. You can't take that away. That's
never College football is way too regional, it's way too tribal.
(06:30):
It's it's it we're trying to create.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Though.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
My my concern it always is, is I want to
I want to make Husky fans. I want to create
a new a new group of young kids and families
that take their kids to Husky games. And that's that's
how you do it. And I want it to be
their religion. It's that sounds strange, but you want to
talk about it during the week. You want to have that.
That's my only fear of what I look regionally and
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why it's different. And I think we can still get that.
But when we talk about what coach Fish does, I
have no idea. I mean the way he wants to
be right now, he's washing Husk he's head coach, and I,
like I said last week, I'm fully on board with
supporting it. And when you look at this talent that
we do have, look at all the freshmen. Nobody's playing
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more freshmen in the country than Jed Fish. Over two
thousand snaps have come from true freshmen this year. That's incredible,
the amount of kids that he's had, and it really
shows the depth and how he's building it and what
he's had to build with young talent, and how the
cupboards were bare when Calen left and how he had
to interject his type of guy but go on the
(07:41):
transfer portal and now you're sitting at seven wins. You
have a chance to get to eight and nine and
knock off Oregan. I have to take a positive spin
on this when he's been able to do because there's
been guys that have taken over programs and it's ugly
and it's and not been able to be significant. So
he's done a great job so far in this two
(08:01):
year run and he's building young talent and getting guys
to be here, and that's what it takes.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Cam Cleveland is with us former U tied end and
current color analysts on the Huskies broadcast right here on
the flagship Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM joins
us every Wednesday at this time to talk some Huskies football.
Thanks to Warrior Injury law, battle tested, well, Washington gets
back on the winning track Saturday against Purdue. I know
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Purdue's not a good team, but what were beyond the score,
the encouraging signs that the Huskies got back on track
toward becoming a better team growing last week against the
boiler Makers.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well, let's start with the good stuff. Is being able
to run the football? That was really good. Everybody wants
to talk about how well the offense played and demand played.
I thought that was great. You had to move John
Mills to right tackle, which was again, here's an eight
teen year old kid now that can be one of
the most versatile alignment in the country. Jumps to the
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right side. You're redoing a little bit of your out.
You lose your best wide receiver, you have your starting
running backs not out. But then you bring in a
young freshman, you have Adam Muhammad, and you ran the
football extremely well and you took care of the football.
The thing that I'm really impressed with right now, guys,
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is how good our defense is playing and how well
they're playing. And you know, coach Walters, he had I
don't know if he had extra motivation, but he was
very familiar with that team and their scheme and the
coaches and what they wanted to do. And I don't
see a lot of two quarterback systems that I would
ever play. And Purdue tried to play it. Although they played.
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I wanted Middleton the most, but it it's just it.
It didn't look like it was working, but it didn't
matter because our defense was playing, I mean, lights out secondary.
So I'm I'm crazy encouraged with how well, the defense
is playing, especially under these last two games, and seeing
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our offense it is still it's still a work in progress.
I'm just going to tell you Demon was better in
the pocket.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You could.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Coach Fist said that in his press conference, also mentioning
out he was more efficient in the pocket getting ready
of the football. Decorad Graft was really good. You got
to see him catch the football a lot. But we're
we're a strange group. Forty five points that we score
on average at home in Big Ten, seven points on
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the road.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Our offense scores in the Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
That is an extreme discrepancy between the two offenses. One
is a home cooking one is I don't know, you're
eating kale on the road.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
So whatever, we need to figure it out. And when
we go down to the Rose Bowl this week, we
have to take maybe it's a southern drop, that's a
better plane flight that direction, I means mid the east
flight is not as good. So we need to find
a way to take that offense and put some points
up on grass cam.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
The The defense has been pretty impressive. I mean, I
think coming into the season most were thinking the secondary,
especially with the length on the outside, was going to
be good. And yet I remember thinking the first couple
of games, even against like Colorado State, that they was like, boy,
there's times when the front seven didn't necessarily are you
are you feeling like the front seven that the run
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defense has short itself up to over the last few weeks.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, I think not only just the run defense, but
the linebacker crew. And again another freshman's day, Zadari's Rainy
Salle who's he had to pick? I thought he was
one of his best games. Not only had him as
player of the game. On the defense, a lot of
solo tackles, the linebacker crew, x Ray, Alexander who, all
those guys have settled in and they just settled into
(11:55):
a good feeling. And everybody that we faced this year,
guys has run.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
This exact same offense.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Like look, chick Kelly changed college football, but even what
he did at Ohio State, everybody in the Big Ten
copies and when I mean everybody, every except us, like
one of us and probably now I would say maybe USC,
but everybody has copycat styles. And Purdue was exactly the same.
(12:23):
They ran the same thing as Ohio State, the same
thing as Wisconsin, because Wisconsin changed their offense that week
to try to adapt to more run schemes. You've seen
it from anybody that wants to run double polls or
downhill tight ends crossing the way Michigan runs it. We've
had to adapt and coach Walters and that crew has
(12:44):
gotten so much better with their discipline. Now, yes, the
talent is different. It's not Ohio State, it's not Michigan. Okay,
you faced the Illinois team who ran that same style
and he played very very well. The elements were garbage
at Wisconsin and this week e c La. I don't
know what you're gonna see. I mean, there's just it
could be anything. I mean, Jerry Neuheisel, I mean, we
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all know what. Who knows what.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
They could throw monkey wrenches in whatever they want to run.
It doesn't matter. I think this defense is playing excellent. Man.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I mean, I think I think you've gone You've given
two compliments to Orgon. That's two more than I think
you're allowed to give to the organ DUC program.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Well, I mean, not a compliment, it's just stating facts.
But that's staying it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Don't say that on that matter.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Very good facts, Good job before we get to UCLA.
You know, it seems you brought the freshman thing up,
and I do want to ask, is John Mills so
good that I mean, is he inevitably going to be
left tackle? Not just with the Huskiers, but that's his
long term NFL as well? And then Jordan Washington, I mean,
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he's kind of has an unorthodox gait about him. He
looked kind of you know, I don't know, there was
just like too much. It didn't look like Carl Lewis,
you know, running, and yet he was running away from
fools on Saturday. How fast is that, dude? So Mills
future left tackle? How fast is Jordan Washington?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well say it with me.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
With all those freshmen, I mean, and I'm so great
to hear that. Raydon Winesbright is okay after that shot.
I know that's all scary too. But the freshman Des
Roebuck and then Jordan Washington and John Mills, And yeah,
I think Johnny is just because he's physically so gifted
at his size already he could play anywhere on the
offensive line. But I think eventually you have to make
(14:31):
what's called a business decision, right, and that's fair.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I'm not gonna.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I mean, when you're six six almost six seven, three
hundred and thirty pounds and you can play. Now, the
thing is when you play out on the edge at
left tackle, you have to be as athletic and long
and strong, and he has all those abilities. So yeah,
I think he can play that spot. I'm not going
to tell you that he can't play guard also, but
(14:55):
it really depends on where he wants to settle in
and what he figures out.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Is his best side.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
He might like the I tackle side, truthfully, and and
we'll see. But Jordan is again, you don't really notice
how fast somebody is until you see them run a
play and you go, all right, that guy should have
the angle on him. Nope, nope not and he goes
by everybody. Yeah, he's he's pretty fast. And I said
(15:19):
this on the broadcast. I'd love to see him in
demand in a race, and I've heard the word is
they're very close and demand is faster, and I went, okay,
now that's different. Uh, but it's but in my mind
when I see a freshman run like that, I think
long time ago. I know, back in when we were
still chewing on on bones and and and in cars
(15:41):
with our feet like Fred Flintstone, I think a Napoleon
Kaufman watching a freshman turn a corner. That's that's the
kind of speed he has. Uh Now, strength wise, it's
he needs. As he gets stronger in the weight room,
he comes better. But yeah, it's you don't. That's just
a gift, guys, you just don't. You can't just make that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
A kid just shows up on campus and can run
like that is incredible.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Obviously, you want to find a way to win this
game against UCLA this weekend. I think Havin Jonah Coleman
and Boston Denzel Boston back would be one step in
that right direction. Any word or what do you think
about their availability?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Yeah, I haven't seen it, and so truthfully, guys, I don't.
I wouldn't expect it, not that I have. Again, I'm
not the insider that it talks to the trainers and
all of that. But I'm looking at it from a
perspective of these guys are both high competitive. It's gonna
be hard to keep them off the field. But can
you win this football game? And my question is, can
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you win this football game at UCLA with who you
have in the receiver room? And who you have in
the running back room right now on the road against
UCLA without those two guys, I feel like you can
if you play the way you should the way you
should like you do at Husky Stadium and compliment that
on the road and save those guys healthwise. For arguably
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it's going to be the biggest game of the season
at the end of the year. But you have to
win this one. You can't lay the egg and overlook
like you did at Wisconsin and Elements or Elements. You
have to win games week ot and weekend and week out.
So what I'd love to see them on the field,
of course I would, because they are difference makers. And
if they're not, then again, we got a bunch of
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freshmen that are excited to play.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm happy to see more Jordan Washington. Frankly, nothing against
Jonah Coleman, but I'd like to see him play a
little bit more in this game against the Bruins. All right,
in our last minute here, isn't it nice to face
a conference rival that's actually a conference rival?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
How about that there's actually familiarity And the other thing
is there's history and we're losing the Rose Bowl. Guys,
we're losing the Rose Bowl. Now, I know why they're
going to go to Sofar. I get it, there's more
amenities there. But the thing that the Rose Buls no
longer be part of UCLA. Ah, it just that hurts.
(18:03):
Everything we grew up with, guys, is just gone. It's
small as much a small a small whipper in my voice.
It's a little disappointing. But hopefully the Rose Bowl figures
it out and we get the national championship game. There
forever figure it out, college football.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Figure it out, college football. All right, man, great stuff,
as always, Thank you very much. We appreciate it. To
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up next. We have not had a chance to really
discuss my crystal Ball forecast, and so as we enter
(19:02):
into hot Stove, and thank you Josh Naylor for lighting
and burners. Because I really feel like we're already going
this off season. I had to crank my crystal Ball
forecast out this week for what I think the Mariners
could do this offseason to make this a championship team.
We'll go over at next Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM Jerry Depoto to talk about Josh Naylor and
(19:25):
the rest of the off season. So we're excited having
chatted with Jerry in a while, so he'll join us
today again live at nine o'clock. Also brand new Stove
podcast with Anders Hurst and myself. We went over my
crystal Ball forecast for the off season for the Mariners
on this particular episode. If you want to check that
out out check that out ninety three to three KJR
(19:45):
dot com. And you can also read if you want
to just go, you know, kick an old school. You
can actually read because the old crystal Ball forecast is
there for you to read. It's rather lengthy. I mean,
I'm sorry, it's not just thirteen words that you can
breeze through. But nonetheless it's a breakdown of what I
think could happen for the Mariners this offseason, and it's
(20:08):
actually important to kind of remind you of what it's
all about. I gladly accept the financial restrictions Jerry and
Justin admittedly operate under to create a doable laundry list
of roster moves that I believe would deliver a world
championship to Seattle. So that's the mindset going into doing
the crystal Ball forecast. Anybody can put together a wish
(20:30):
list and spend the Mariners off this Mariner's Ownership's money.
I need Kyle Tooker, Kyle Schwarber, and Trek Schouble. You know,
anybody can put that together. I try to stay within
the parameters that the organization has set forth for how
much they're going to spend this offseason to try and
create a better team, a better roster to finally win
(20:51):
a championship. So that included Josh Naylor being re signed.
Check that included either Polonko or swore As being signed.
I think that will be the next thing, and according
bucket to Justin Holander, might be the next two things.
I operate under the belief, and it is detailed in
(21:11):
the crystal Ball forecast that it will be Polanco or
swore As, with Polonko being the priority. But Justin Olander
said yesterday that they want to re sign all three
of them, Naylor, Polanco, and Suarez this offseason. That'd be nice,
that'd be nice. I take that.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, that's kind of where my mind has been at.
And I mean my heart is like, oh man, you're
asking for too much. It's we're creeping up on the
Christmas time of year, and I don't know what your
folks did, but my folks would give us like the J. C.
Pennies catalog or whatever, and we would turn to the
toy section and we got to circle what we wanted.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh, I've never even heard of this, the Draftmas catalog.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Well, I mean, I didn't know if your parents did
that during Christmas or not, but I we we ended up.
You know, I would circle a whole bunch of things,
basically knowing there's no chance I'm winning at all of that, right,
and yet this is one where I don't want to
just circle two things. I circled in big boat like
a bunch of circles around Josh Nato.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That was first and foremost.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
And yet if they end with just that, like literally
come back sands Polonko sans Gino, then I'm like, you're
playing with fire here. Did you not really recognize and
feel what we did last season and how fun that was?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And still it would be we already have a better
off season than we had last year. Yeah, even if
it just stops they don't do anything else, if they
just go fishing in Barbados, we already have had a
better off season than we had all of last year.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yes, yes, a full season of Naylor versus most of
the season of Solano. That's an alligator mouth towards nails.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, And yet there's part of me while I understand
the exercises trying to figure out what they could and
maybe would do within the parameters that we we recognize
they set upon themselves and they feel that they have.
And yet to me it's hopefully the ownership is the
ownership you'd need when you need them to be willing
(23:07):
to open it up a little bit. I mean the
fact that they end up playing as many postseason games
this year that you'd get none of that money if
you don't make the postseason, hopefully that like, well, look
at all this extra cash we got, let's go ahead
and not just bring back one or two, but possibly
entertain the idea of having all three.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I think it goes the opposite way. I think since
they had what I felt was an f of an
offseason and then still had created a playoff caliber team,
and then when the time came to add the real
important pieces for the most important games of the year,
that they were aggressive at the trading deadline. Gave them
(23:45):
a chance to assess what they do have in house,
and then also gave that chance to assess the market.
I think they're probably emboldened by that and probably less
likely to go further and do that offseason that they've
never done, which is ad spend a lot of money
and add a lot of free agents or recent or
(24:06):
go over the projected payroll. My guess is they're less
likely Ashley to do that than they've been before.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
I would think so too, because they had success with
the formula last year, so I.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Think they're in love with the formula last.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Year and again Jerry brought it up in his post
game or postseason comments. He talked about the success of
that formula. He said, it worked with Luis Castillo when
we brought him in, and then we were able to
keep him long term. It's you know, and that's our
goal with Naylor and Suarez and is to have these
guys come in at the best time of year in Seattle,
fall in love with the city, fall in love with
(24:38):
the team, and then make their job easier to try
to resign them.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, it did work. It's worked two times with two
major players here in Castillo and Naylor. And so I
think Castillo is the crux of the Crystal Ball forecast
because if you do want an offseason that includes not
just bringing back at least two of those three guys
that we mentioned, maybe adding something because there's always fun
(25:02):
adding something as well. I mean, you don't want to
just get your same favorite toy back at Christmas. You know,
mom goes in the back and just rewraps your favorite
toy that you already had for the last year. I mean,
you want something new, something that you circled into your catalog. So,
if we're to believe that the Mariners aren't going to
go beyond the payroll they finished with at least to
start the season, in twenty twenty six, that means you
(25:25):
have to create money somewhere. That means you probably have
to trade Luis Castillo. It could be Randy a Rose Arena,
but Castillo, to me, makes the most sense to move
on from now. I have predicted that he was going
to be traded now too off seasons in a row.
But if you are going to stick to that salary cap,
(25:46):
self imposed salary cap that you've given yourself getting rid
of Luis Castillo, and I hate to put it that way,
but I don't think you're going to get that much
in return for him. That's probably the crux of this offseason,
whether you can move him and his entire salary to
create more spending area.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
If that's the way that it has to go, I
suppose that you know it's it's understandable. I mean, because
you are basically relinquishing a piece, and he's been a
good piece, and maybe he hasn't been the ace, but
that's in large part because you've got a bunch of
youngsters that are chomping at the bit to overtake him,
and and have overtaken him to some degree. And yet
(26:31):
I understand how that would make sense if they if
they were going to if they were going to move
on from somebody where there's money involved, then it's you
move on from the place that you have you know
a lot of and that is starting pitching. I mean,
they have a lot of good young starting pitching. They're
not paying a bunch of money to you know. To me,
that would hopefully open up the check book a little
(26:53):
bit to where they can start the process of what
I want him to do long term wise, and that
start locking some of these guys up, locking Gilbert up.
But if it's still they're going to kick that can
down the road and just do the arbitration thing with
him and the rest of these guys that are eligible,
and they could go out and spend money on another
bat possibly somewhere, whether it's the Polonco and Suarez something
(27:14):
like that. Then I like that idea because you do
have guys waiting in the wings that are capable of
filling that fifth spot in the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I think Gilbert is a very strong candidate for one
of those extensions. I did not mention that in the
my Crystal Ball forecast, and I meant to. I think
he is the candidate this offseason to possibly be given
one of those extensions, not only because he's going to
be a free agent faster than any of the other
starting pitchers, but also he seems like the type of
guy that wants to be here, doesn't want to leave Cal' side,
(27:43):
loves being a Mariner, and wants to finish this thing off.
I think he's the most likely candidate to give you
a little bit of a deal, and so I think
they are going to work on that this offseason. But
if you do move Castillo, and I'm not saying that
they will, but if they do move Castillo and it
does free ups, it'll be interesting to see if they
use that savings to go out and find a cheaper,
(28:05):
not necessarily a worse but a cheaper pitch starting pitcher,
like I suggest Joe Ryan of Minnesota, who will cost
you some prospects. He's gonna cost you a really good
package of players. Go but he only costs six million dollars.
So go get a Joe Ryan. Or do you trade
from that strength that is your starting pitching And if
(28:28):
you can't resign all three of those guys, do you
go after a bat And that's where maybe Muna Takie Morikami,
the new Japanese import that is coming over that the
Mariners have been linked to a lot might come into
the conversation.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
I I I just my priority obviously, as you said,
the keeping logan Gilbert great. As far as Luis Castillo,
we've talked about getting rid of him, as you mentioned
several times, and that he is a trade possibility. His
salary is high. So if there's the right thing that
you could get rid of him, and then you're doing
something not just My only concern is that they'd trade
(29:04):
them away just to save money and then not really
replace him with anything.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm operating under the belief that if you have given
yourself a self imposed salary cap, then you are trading
him strictly for the purpose of better using the money.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
So if you could move him and you wouldn't get
much in return to a team that desperately needs a
starting pitcher, now you've got money to work with, and
maybe that is because you have prospects to move. You
can trade prospects for a Joe Ryan who only makes
six million dollars and is better and younger than Castillo. Yeah,
and now you use your what you do have. If
(29:44):
you don't have money. You do have prospects to move,
and so you use Castillo to get rid of him,
to get the money that you need, to use the
prospects for a trade to get the cheaper, better, younger
pitcher to add to the starting rotation. And now suddenly
you're even better in your starting rotation and you have
a little bit of money left over to spend on offense.
Great in theory, it's great in theory, but again, they've
(30:06):
got to find a taker for Luis Castillo. From what
I heard in the off season, they tried. They when
they did knock on doors, everybody they asked wanted them
to eat money. And that was a year ago. So
he's got even less trade value one year later, with
making twenty two and a half million dollars per year.
We're gonna ask Jerry Depoto about some of these things,
(30:27):
not all of them that would be prying, but he'll
be joining us at nine o'clock today. Coming up next,
are we going to see more canine in our future?
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM Jerry Depoto coming
(30:50):
up at nine o'clock to try live conversation with Jerry
Depoto about the Mariners off season, which is off to
fly and start. Resigning Josh Naylor this week to a
five year contract, and so excited to chat with Jerry,
first time in a while that we've had a chance
to sit down with the president. A couple of news items.
Michael Pennix did have season ending knee surgery. He's going
(31:13):
to be out for the year with that and should
be recovered by the time the season starts next year.
And don't be surprised if Steve Sarkesian is not his
next head coach, if he really wants out of Texas,
He's got Falcons ties, so maybe he ends up together
with Michael Pennis, a guy that once dominated him in
a football game I remember. But let's talk speaking of
(31:33):
football about the Seahawks. A lot of conversation about whether
or not we're going to see more canine going forward.
Ken Walker the third and we chatted with Greig Bell
a little bit earlier this show. Bucky brought up the
point that maybe Zach Sharboney is getting so much more
playing time than we thought he was going to get
because of just how great he is as a pass blocker.
(31:57):
Where that is an area that Ken Walker struck bugs in,
and so we asked Greg Bell how that factors into
the decision as to whether or not Walker gets more
carries moving forward.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Well, that does explain why he's in the game in
two minute drill and on third downs and when you
go that often are a lot of plays and that
explains a large reason why he has got more snaps
overall percentage of snaps forty nine to forty five, even
though he's.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
Played one fewer game. That is why they've been trusting
him in those spots.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I would submit it in a normal season, Yeah, that's
a big deal. The way that the Seahawks have kept
Donald for getting sacked, the way Kubiak schemes off a
play action and rollouts running away from pressure off the
run game has kept him away from sacks. Ten sacks
and ten games. I would think it's time to say, Okay,
(32:48):
maybe we don't need the extra protector as the running
back here. And it's not like Walker doesn't do it.
He's not as good and it's just not as stout
of a guy. He's more of a shifty, loose of
eel white guy. But he can do it if he
has to.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
He's more of an accid in catching and running after
the catch in the pass game. McDonald mentioned that when
I asked him about Walker getting more opportunities, because it's
not just in the run game, it's in the pass game. Two,
he had the twenty three yard catch and run and
the fourth quarter drive that he ended up scoring the
one yard touchdown run later.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
In the drive.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
He started another drive earlier in the half with an
eighteen yard catch and run. But those are just two
yard dump out passes that he turned into twenty yard games.
Charony doesn't do that, So to me, let's hedge a
little bit on Okay, we think our offensive line and
scheme can take care of Donald getting sacked. Let's go
to the more explosive player in the backfield for options,
(33:43):
even as a safety valve guy who could turn a
two yard pass into an eighteen yard run. Bottom line is,
it's time for Kenneth Walker, both for him and for
the Seahawks. Seven games left in his contract.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Let him go now.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think everybody's in agreement this week. It's time to
see more Ken Walker. It's time to make him more
of the number one running back. But that's an excellent
point about the Zach Charbonay pass blocking abilities, because you
certainly want Sam Darnold to continue to excel at the
level he's been excelling at prior to Sunday, and if
Charbonay's helping with that, you know, it's a reason for
(34:17):
having him in the football game, all right. Al Kiniski
joins us later in the show, but coming up next,
Jerry Depoto will be with US Live to talk about
the Mariners offseason on Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ RFM.
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