December 23, 2024 • 41 mins
Hugh is in for Dick to discuss the disappointing Seahawks loss yesterday against the Vikings. Where do we stand in the playoff chase? The roller coaster ride of Geno Smith continues. Why have the Seahawks gotten away from the run? Who is at fault for the interception that ended the game?
We hear from head coach Mike MacDonald on the Byron Murphy facemask call that may have cost the Seahawks the game. The next play Tre Brown gets burned by Justin Jefferson for the game losing touchdown. Are fans really putting MacDonald on the hot seat? Do we still have trust in Ryan Grubb as the OC?
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We hear from head coach Mike MacDonald on the Byron Murphy facemask call that may have cost the Seahawks the game. The next play Tre Brown gets burned by Justin Jefferson for the game losing touchdown. Are fans really putting MacDonald on the hot seat? Do we still have trust in Ryan Grubb as the OC?
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fine because Hugh Millen is in. After a Seahawk loss
to the Minnesota Vikings yesterday, How are you pal?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Not bad?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That was a really really aggravated I mean I had
to take a drive after that game, get in my
car and drive. I gotta get We got a bunch
of friends and family in, but I just had to
get alone, man, just me and the dogs because I
couldn't hear out people.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, let's talk about why was it the play calling?
Was it the execution? Was it the scheme? Was it
the fact that you're sitting here at nine and eight?
Excuse me eight and six? Sorry about that? With the
playoffs kind of dwindling as the days go by, what
was the number one reason why you had to get
in the car and be by yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, I just you feel like the playoffs it's all
but over. You could all but write the epitaph for
the twenty twenty four season, and you know here the
rams were started one and four and they and and
they're gonna come back and win this damn division. And
you know, you look at the penalty by Murphy. Oh
my god, they have a beautiful stunt. You know, they
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get the center to pass off, you get the the
outside leverage by the guard like perfect. You didn't have
to do a lot of your Murphy because that was
more scheme to get that sack. That wasn't just you know,
and and hell if he doesn't make it, Draymond Jones
is right there and and it's literally the penalty that
destroys this season. I mean, I can't think of a
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more punitive penalty. I mean it was third and eighteen
under four.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Minutes from the third. Do you like your chances? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Do you like your chances in that?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I do so, by the way, right yeah yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And and you know, yeah, not not up three, you're
up four. I don't know. And then of course, you
know the giant you're right to mention that just that
just seems to linger like you know, bad spoiling cheese
or something. And you know, I don't know, it's it's uh,
it's a it's a consortium of things, and then and
then there's Genos just perplexing because when he's at his best,
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he's he's a he's really really uh a entertaining quarterback.
I mean, he does things the right way. When he
does things the right way, But there's always, you know,
the five or ten Geno plays where I just kind
of hold my breath and shake my head and like, dude,
you're too good for this, You're too experienced, and you know,
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you never know what's going to come invite you. But
but he had a couple of those, and I don't
know all of the above. I don't know what about you. Well,
always aasperated.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Why don't we just take a step back for a second,
because I feel like what we just did was like
the opening of like the Johnny Carson Show where he
sets this, he kind of sets the schedule for the show.
It comes out and says, send me, Davis Junior is
going to be here, Jackie Gleeson is gonna be here,
blah blah blah. Then he comes back and does his
monoff eat little monologue, and then he goes and sits
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down and Ed shows up and they just kind of
get going. So now that we kind of got like
the little teas out of the way, which was Millan
getting into his car, pissed off, angry, has to be
by himself, and I'm I'm right there with you, by
the way, I feel like now, and got Hugh, look,
I got this laundry list of topics in front of me.
And as the list went longer and longer and lower
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and lower down the page, my writing got more and more. Uh,
is it illegible? Is that a word, by the way, discernible?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Whatever? Okay?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And I can't even understand what the hell I was
writing here because I was thank you, I was trying
to jam everything. But yeah, I think we all know
what I'm talking about. Yes, thybody else, thank you very much.
I was trying to jam everything into one piece of paper.
So if I I'll send you a picture of this.
It's ridiculous, man. But I feel like I've got all
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these little topics and there's like this topic wheel like.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And we just see where it stops.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I'm just gonna read you a bunch of different
little notes that I wrote down.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And when you hear and when you hear something that
you want to respond to, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean, we got the first interception to Noah Fan
five point fifty to go in the second quarter. We
got the second interception late in the game to DK Metcalf.
We got the face mass penalty on Biron Murphy. We
got Trey Brown.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Is there like some horner I need to blow?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Let me just go, just give me Okay, did you
hear something there you want to respond to?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Well, first and ten the first interception, yes, you know
the rush. Now there's some goofy stuff going on with
the running back releasing Knine seeming like he's gonna block
the blitzer, but then releasing in the flat. But that
point notwithstanding, you give some ground. Your twelve yards behind
the line of scrimmage, the tight ends ten yards, you
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got twenty two, you know, discernible air yards. If it
doesn't look bright green, you know the light. If you
don't love that opportunity to playoff script there, you gotta
dirt the ball. I mean these type of turnovers. I
think the down is central to a lot of the analysis. Right,
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you can you can throw the ball out of bounds,
and you can recover from second and ten, But if
you you know, you think that is gonna beat that guy,
you got to be sure that he is. So I
just think it's a you know, it's a double minus.
It's critical air.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, and then look, I mean, like I said to
Ian earlier today or in crosstalk, Gino easily could have
had four interceptions. I mean, fourteen to fifty five early
fourth quarter, h third and one, Cashman drops the linebacker
for Minnesota. Hugh drops a ball right off his chest. Yeah,
Shack Griffin drop a pick. I think on the next
drive on third and eight that was going to DK Metcalf.
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He had that ball in his hands and he easily
could have picked that off. So, I mean, look, the
numbers for Gino don't look terrible, but I just think, man,
he really put his team in harms way a lot yesterday,
and I don't understand. And look, Dick and I have
gone back and forth on this the entire year. I
disagree with him on the play calling and the game
and the approach for the Lion game. I do agree
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with him that for whatever reason, and I think everybody
would agree with this. For whatever reason, the Seahawks have
gotten away from the run. I mean, for example, Kenny
Walker had three rushes for nineteen yards. The first two
drives of the game. Then you have five carries for
twelve yards the rest of the way in a very
close game. I know McDonald said he was banged up
a little bit yesterday, but for some reason, for whatever reason,
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And I'm putting McDonald, by the way, Hugh in this
category as well, because he's the damn head coach. The
Seahawks just don't want to run the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I just don't want to. Why is that?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I don't know. I was, you know, with a bunch
of people watching the game, you know, a holiday time,
and I was just like, why are they not running?
Why are they not running? I saw what you saw.
They were running what's called a dual play where you
get the double teams on the strong side, but they
were getting some backside creases. I mean, there's some holes
that look good there, and you know, Kenneth Walker, I
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think he might have missed one, and I certainly think
that in a second quarter checkdown. He had a very
perplexing run after the catch where he just kind of
ran right into a Viking linebacker where I thought there
was some space to his left. So I didn't love
every time he touched the ball. But he's still in
my mind, a top fight professional halfback, and they were
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getting enough. I agree with you. I think they should
have milked it, and I don't. I don't often say that,
but I think I've said it a lot this year. Yeah,
it's been a topic, and I agree.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well in that look.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I mean, the one play that stands out the most,
so the series that stands out the most. Fourteen fifty
five to go, fourth quarter? Okay, you run the fake
punt right, Whi's good for Jay Harbaugh was a beautiful play.
I mean, you know, kind of putting a all that
craziness that happened at the Jets game a couple of
weeks ago. You know, give give Jay Harbaugh the Special
Teams Unit credit for that fake play.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
They ran to Julian Love.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So they're first and five after I think the off
sides are too many men in the huddle on the
vikings whatever. The penalty was first and five and they
run what I don't know what looked like to me
was supposed to be a screen. I don't know what
was going on there, but whether it was Tomlinson or
Charles Cross, Big Olu may have been in there as well.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It was the most poorly executed screen I've.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Ever seen in the Bike six Yeah, yeah, the Viking
defensive front of is like, we're not fallve for that crap?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean it was just the biggest joke of a
screenplay I've ever seen. And then all of a sudden
at second and eleven and yeah, of course you're gonna
throw the ball because you lost six yards on first down.
So a lot of people want to come out and
they want to rip Ryan Grubb for not running the ball. Hey,
once that screen got blown up on first down, running
the ball was no longer an option.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, well that happens a lot. And by the way,
you know, you think of Kenneth Walker. He had how
many catches to he out? He had seven or eight catches? Uh,
and and I think that there's an you know, extension
if you will.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
It eight catches for twenty eight yards on eight targets.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
By the way, yeah yeah, I mean you could on
some level say that the the ball control that you're
looking for, that you're finding that a little bit. I mean,
that was that was the essence of the West Coast
offense philosophy when Bill Walsh invented it. I mean it
was with the Cincinnati Bengals and Virgil Carter was the
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the quarterback. Not to give a history lesson we're not
thinking about that, but but they just said, hey, our
offensive line stinks.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's a lot easier to get four yards throwing the.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Fullback in the flat on a high percentage than trying
to run and at four yards. You know that that's
that's how the West Coast offense, you know, because back
back and then it was, you know, fifty one percent
was a good completion percentage. And and so I'm I
think philosophically that's okay, but I still just think there's
got to be more. But you're right that that the screenplay.
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Screen passes, I think are are are on every level,
even if you're the best team. There's a little bit
of a luck component to it, yeah, because the timing
is so crucial on when the lineman release. Hey, do
you actually fool the defensive linemen to think, a they
can rush the pass or do they do they sense
it and and fall off into the area. So uh, yeah, no,
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that was one of one of many disconcerting plays well.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And I think I think the last couple of drivers
of the game for the Seahawks are easy to focus
on because obviously they came at crunch time. But you
got the decision to let Jason Myers kick a sixty
yard field goal instead of either A punting the ball
away or B going forward on fourth and fifteen. And
then obviously the interception to DK Metcalf right, which is
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getting criticized by a lot of people. It kind of
feels like most people by now have taken the side
of Gino Smith at DK metcalf messed that up in
some form or fashion. So I don't really give a
damn what those people think. I need to hear from you.
So let's work backwards and start with the interception to
DK Metcalf on first and ten from the Seahawks seventeen.
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There's fifty five seconds left to go in the game. Obviously,
got a shot to tie the game with the field goal,
win the game with a touchdown fifty five seconds and
NFL Land is forever.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
The game is certainly not lost at that point. It
was lost on the pick. What happened?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, Well, I've discussed this earlier today, and if you're
a p one that's our primary one listeners at KJR,
you may have heard this already to apologies to you,
but for those who haven't heard it, my evaluation is this.
I can understand Gino in the pockets olo Timmy loses
a blocker early guy's bearing down on him, and the
idea of expecting a wide receiver to cross the face
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of the safety, I understand it in that moment. Let's
talk about what the Vikings were doing. They played a
defense that's called two man. I diagnosed this last night.
Go that's two man, but with instead of four men,
rush is a three man rush, and and and they
took an extra safety. What two man is is think
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of it like this, Dave. You got five eligible receivers,
so you got man underneath all five guys is bump
and run. And then you got a safety on each
half of the field. And because you have not one
deep safety but two on each half of the field,
then the shallow man defenders they can kind of be
in a trail position and only think about short and
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intermediate stuff because they have help on the deep stuff. Right,
So ordinarily in two man there'd be one safety over
on dk side of the field. And and oh number
two god dang I I CRAI he used to be
the best corner in in in football. But any of it,
he's he's shattering from uh DK up the up the field.
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And and yet it's not one safety, it's not a
four man rush. It's a three man rush. And by
the way, my evaluation, I got up this morning on
the NFL stat portal and I said, Okay, I'm gonna
filter it because this is how I determined the play was.
And yep, that's exactly what they They had cover two
man with a three man rush. And this is the
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frequency that the NFL runs this. There to date, in
twenty twenty four, fifteen six, and twenty four pass attempt
by all NFL quarterbacks, there have been thirty one of
those plays where the defense has played cover two man
with in the way that they did. And it was
the Vikings only the Vikings second time the Atlanta has
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done at eight with our boy Jimmy Lake. They do
drop eight more than anybody, right, remember the Apple cups
and dropping eight. But getting back to that play, they
are the NFL runs that coverage let one point nine
to eight pass attempts per thousand, So this is a
very rare coverage. And and DK's looking up and he's saying, Hey,
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do I cross the guy's face or did I go deep?
Now I want to stop right here and say, if
I'm grading DKA, give him a minus because he loafed,
he stopped running, and regardless he should have kept running.
I'm gonna just get that out of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But that's not something we can just gloss over.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Though, no it's not. But and we'll get back to that.
But the real question is should he go behind that defender,
over the top of him, or should he go underneath
him and cross his face as Gino was throwing the ball,
I'm going to direct you. Fourteen fifty four to go
in the third quarter, the very first offensive play of
the third DK runs a high angle corner, not cross
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the face. In fact, he starts, he starts to flatten it,
but then he stays high because it's a flood concept,
the weak side flood. He's got the clear out and
he got Tyler Lockett coming in in the intermediate. One's
sixteen to go in the third quarter, similar type of deal.
DK taking a high a goal to open things up
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for the others. Thirteen oh seven to go in the
fourth quarter, DK taking a high angle. Now I just
cited three plays in that game. Watch the coach's tape,
where structurally they are similar plays, if not nearly exact
to the interception in question. So if DK had let's say,
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DK's responsibility to be the clear out to open up
for JSN was running an intermediate crossing route to about
eighteen yards on that side, if DK flattens that and
crosses his face, that violates a rule of having that's
having two guys in the same window. You would come
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back and say, DK, what are you doing crossing his face?
You know it's your job to go higher. You already
did it the first play of the third quarter. You've
already shown that you know what you're supposed to do
to open it up. And then furthermore, what if Gino
would have thrown it over the top of that safety.
Ext Gino to keep clearing high because it's a weak
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side flood. So look, I understand what what Gino saw,
because the best way to get a completion was to
cross the face of the safety. But I also understand
DK why he would say, Hey, it's my job to
go over the top of the deepest defender. And furthermore,
don't don't undersell this point that look that he had
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where it looked like a three deep because it's two
over one with him, he was basically triple team. It's
covered two man with not two safeties, three safeties.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well who gets the blame? Ply then who gets the
bigger piece?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well, I'm going to give DK a minus for not
running hard. But as far as going over the top,
I would say, Gino, you look and say, look, I
know it's first and fifteen not verse and ten, And
I know he had a sense of urgency, and it's like, okay,
I got to be more aggressive than I want to be.
But there's still an opportunity away from all the triple
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team over on on DK, there's an opportunity to get
Fan in the flat to the left, had he deciphered
the defense there, or he's got to dirt the ball
and just on play for second and fifteen. You know
it's for down territory anyways, Right, So you got three
more downs with the defense in somewhat of a prevent that.
You know the Vikings they covered that well, good, they
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have a good defense and they won. You can't just
throw it into triple covers. Now, look if they come
back and they say DK shit across his face. Then
you're gonna tell me, well, is that is that a
weak side flood concept? Yes or no. If you're saying
that that he's got the latitude to cross the face
or go over top, that's going to create all kinds
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of problems giving him that latitude. In my experience in
twenty five years of playing football, it's like, hey, if
you've got to flood and you're the clear out dude,
you got to be the clear out dude. And I
would just say it. I think it looked at to
our I it looked more objectionable because we saw him
choke it down. Now, I'm not defending that part of it. Dude,
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run the freaking route. It's first down. It's not like
it's the eighth play of the drive. It's the first
play of the drive. And you gotta And here's the
I'll close with this thought. The irony on that is
you could literally watch the tape as I have. It's
remarkable to me I mentioned it how often DK he
knows he's not going to get the football, he knows
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the progression, and he's on his horse, running as hard
as he can. I mean, he runs with heart and
he didn't run with heart on that route. Yeah, it's
a bad time to not run with heart. But yeah,
but that's not really the issue is cross the face
or not cross the face.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, I gotta tell you because with fifty five seconds
left to go, I didn't I'd belin to you, Hugh
if I said I felt great about the hawks chances,
but I didn't feel terrible about.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Their only three points.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean we've seen Gino Smith in that situation out
of as you know what, many many many times. I mean, obviously,
they blew their previous two timeouts on the last Viking drive,
so they had none left if I'm not mistaken on
that drive.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
But it wasn't over for me. I mean it was.
It was absolutely not over.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
So that interception, I mean, my god, you talk about
Byron Murphy's face mask, I mean that interception was was
the absolute nail in the coffin, it felt like on
the Seahawks season.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
So look at them back, look at the great throws
at the end of the second quarter. There's of course
a twenty yards, twelve yards, thirteen, twenty five and eight yes, yes,
five straight like big time throws. So yeah, there was
reason to believe that that that no question here in
four down territory. You know you have to work the sidelines, right.
I want to come back the extent that you can.
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I want to come back and talk about what now.
Will kind of go over some of the playoff scenarios,
and there's not many that are positive for the Seahawks. Obviously,
Seahawks gott to turn this thing around and fly to
Chicago on Wednesday and then play a game again Thursday night.
It kind of feels like a bad day or a
bad week to have a short week for these guys,
by the way, So Rams and Cardinals, Seahawks and Bears.
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We'll talk about Trey Brown, We'll talk about Byron Murphy,
We'll talk about Kenny Walker. We'll talk about Ryan Grubb,
We'll talk about Mike McDonald. I want to talk about
Satowa Leameya. I want to get your thoughts on Sam Darnold.
I want to talk about the CFP and the playoff
over the weekend. A lot with Hugh between now and
five before Saints Packer's a little fun with audio as well.
Three forty five on ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 5 (22:46):
Gotta look at it. I gotta look at it. But
that's what we're talking about. I mean, the guys fighting
his tail off to get to the quarterback. You know,
you gotta be careful where your hands are. There's a
lot of stuff going on that moment too, So you know,
those are the answers we're talking now. We're you know,
we could have a third and eighteen with two downs
ago to try to seal it, and all of a
sudden two plays later, you know, now we're down three.
So it's like, that's how close we are.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, God, you know the little win probability chart thing
of a deal that ESPN does whatever. Yes, I would
have loved to have known what the Seahawks win percentage
would have been if that sack would have stood and
Minnesota would have had the ball Hugh third and eighteen
from their own thirty eight yard line. Instead, you get
the face mask penalty right there that McDonald's talking about
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on Byron Murphy, and it goes from third and eighteen
from the Viking thirty eight to first and ten from
the Seahawk thirty nine yard line. That's a twenty three
yard swing, I mean, unbelievable. And the very next play,
I mean, hey, look at least Minnesota didn't draw the
damn thing out. They scored the very next play to
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Justin Jefferson for thirty nine yards. But I mean, there's
just there's two mistakes in the second half that will
keep me up at night. Number one is the face
mask on Byron Murphy and then the Tree Brown off side.
He's literally lining up off sides as a cornerback and
it's it. It leads to a touchdown the very next play.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Which he gives up. Which he gave up.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean, Trey Brown goes from allowing the Vikings to
continue from third and three to third and nine whenever
the hell it was, and the very next play gives
up the touchdown. Man, I mean, those two just critical mistakes.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
There he did and and history will record that he
did give that up.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yes, in my mind.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
And you know, I think the world of Mike McDonald
very bullish on Mike McDonald, But I did not like that,
no way, ever, not one time. Am I ever putting
Trey Brown. How long? When's the last time he's on
the field. It's been six weeks, right, right, And even
if he'd been playing against in the NFL, against the
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best receiver in the NFL and press coverage, no safety
over the top, no thank you, I'm never calling that defense.
Not once.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, let's stop there for a second.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Let's just pause, because I mean, look, what you just
said is you think the world of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You're bullish on Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yet in the same breath you're telling me you would
never have called the play in the scheme that Mike
McDonald called. So if you were a ten on Mike
McDonald when the year began, are you still a ten?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Are you a nine and a half? Are you an
eight and a half? Are you starting to maybe slightly.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Lose a little bit of faith in McDonald or are
you still where you were when the guy was hired?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
We got Hugh Mitchell, you got me? Hello, yep, Hello, Okay,
I guess Hugh. Do we have you? Yeah? I'm here, Okay,
go ahead. We just lost it for a quick second there.
You know what, you know what?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know what I thought you were doing? I thought
you were actually thinking about your answer to that question
for a minute. Okay, So I mean again, you're telling
me that you love McDonald, which look I do two overall,
But then you're also telling us that you never would
have called.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That play there.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I would not have called the play because I just
think from a matchup standpoint. First of all, you know,
maybe i'd do Reek Woollam, just because he's got the
size to contend to fade off if you're gonna ask
him to press cover seats. It's a three deep four
in their zone. You can play play that corner off
with the corner out out in bailing bail technique where
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he's given ground. They played it like Richard Sherman cover three,
which is just press it and take inside leverage. Well,
Richard Sherman was six to three and a former receiver
with great ball skills, right, and you know Trey Brown
is five to ten. I mean, so he's given up
a lot of size he's given He's not really that fast.
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He's more of a nickel guy in some ways in
terms of his skill set, his body style, and lack
of outright speed. So no, I would I would either
roll the safety or i'd have somebody else, or even
if I'm gonna play three deep, I'm not gonna play
press cover. Does that make sense? Press is basically bump
and run. So now you've got Justin Jefferson, who is
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elite in almost every category as a receiver, including his
releases at the line of scrimmage. And so he's gonna
he's gonna give you a little simil little hold you
and then and then burst and then he's just over
the top and then he's got the great closing skills
to uh to finish the play in the end zone.
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So no way am I putting Trey Brown one on
one out there.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
No.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
But but to your McDonald question, no, that doesn't cause
me to lose faith. Not one play. No, that would
be silly.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, Hugh, I don't mean one play. I mean the
entire season. I mean what you've seen so far after
fifteen games. I didn't mean the one play. I'm just
using that as a tool to kind of get the
conversation going about what we've seen from Mike McDonald, Because
there was that you know, four or five game stretch
there where the Seahawk defense looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
They're kind of starting to get pushed around again by
the Packers in Minnesota. We'll see what happens against Caleb
Williams on Thursday, and then we'll see how important that,
you know, ram game is in week eighteen. But you
got two coaches here in Ryan Grubb and Mike McDonald
that look, we're not blind, right, we're not stupid. We
know there's criticism of both these guys all over social media.
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How much of it is warranted because there's some folks
that want to run grub out and there's some folks
that want to put McDonald on the hot seat.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Well, I can't even fathom McDonald on the hot seat.
That just seems ludicrous to me. I mean, what kind
of uh explain to me how that makes sense. He's
what like, you're thinking about firing him. So, so now
what are the players? What's so you're gonna put them
all the players through entirely new schemes. They're gonna we're
gonna wipe the slate clean. We're not gonna we're not
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gonna give any credence to continuity and what year two
might look like on both sides of the ball, right,
Because remember now McDonald when he went to Baltimore. Through
eight games, the Ravens were twenty third in the NFL,
and then through the final nine weeks they were first. Well,
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going into this game, even with the Packer game, it
was almost identical. Seattle had been twenty first this is
points allowed, and then they had been up to one.
After the Packer game there was still fourth in the
last six weeks or fourth, you know, it's climbed up
since then, but they're in the top ten in the
last five weeks. No, no continuity. That is absolutely as
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absurd and right. As for Ryan Grubb, offense is harder
to gel than defense, and so look, I would it
shock me if Ryan Grubb said, Hey, I'd rather just
go be bat Bama's offensive coordinator. I have zero indication
that he would want to do that. But you know,
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I think, you know, perhaps it's been eye opening experience
playing in the coaching rather in the NFL. So but no, no,
there's no part of me that would want to make
a change there.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Well, I think I think what we got to get
to the bottom of and I don't know if this
is even possible. We're gonna break here in a second, here,
we'll do some fun with audio here from McDonald at
four o'clock today at four.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
So we're kind of dive into this in the four
o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
But you had forty three pass attempts by Geno Smith
and you had eleven carries by running backs yesterday and
McDonald even I think insinuated this today that hey, some
of those are RPOs that Gino Smith is checking into
a pass.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I want to know from you, how can we tell?
How can we tell?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And is it time for maybe Ryan Grubb to limit
the control, to limit the RPO options that Gino Smith
has and force this guy to run the ball. And
if it's not Ryan Grubb's turn to force Gino Smith
to run the ball, is it Mike McDonald's turn as
the head coach to force Ryan Grubb to run the ball.
So let's dive into that coming up before we're gonna
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get into some fun with audio, including some big controversy
and conversation with the CFP over the weekend that's next
on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
It's now time for Sufday in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Jimmy Gawn Star, Jimmy Mister Garoppolo.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Now, let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
All right, Mitchell, we are gonna go with our our
partner there, we got him has dropped you was dropped?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
All right? What are you? Why do you get him back?
On the horn? There?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Mitchell's where we're paying you all this big time money
to make you kind of orchestrate this thing.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Man like a conductor. So get it, get it done,
make it happen. There he is.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Hugh Millan rejoins us here on the radio show, hanging
out until five o'clock. We got Saints, so we got
packers coming up at five pm. Right now though here,
we got a little fun with audio slash.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Hey did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Hey Dick?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Let's start with uh.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Kirk kurb Street ESPN during Ohio States blowout win over
Tennessee in the CFP this weekend, kirkirb Street taking aim
at the Buckeye fan base and some of his ESPN
colleagues over their criticism of Ohio State head coach Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Now, Kurt, how much of this.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
Softens the blow of that Michigan loss? Of more work
to do right for folks to I can't forgive, forget
that one.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
Speaking on behalf of the lunatic fringe, I'm not sure
how they operate. The lunatic fringe at Ohio State is
as powerful as as anywhere in the country.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
How big as the fringe, well, it used to be
eight to ten.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
I think it's grown out about fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So I don't know.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
I don't know, you know, I'm sure they'll be happy tonight,
be fired up about what the Ohio State team did.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
But how to forbid they lose to Oregon. They may
want to fire him again.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
But that's not reality.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
When you hear pundits on this network and other places
talk about that with certainty, it's nonsense, Frankly. I mean,
the public doesn't pull the trigger and get rid of
the coach. Now the administrators do, and they're behind him.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
Yeah, first take tried to fire and they thought he
was done. So I'll be dexcited to see what they
talk about on Monday after this performance. They had him,
they had him out, they're trying to find replacements.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
But here he is, there, he is, He still got
his hat on. He's still coaching.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay, So Ryan Dayhee is now sixty seven and ten
as the head coach at Ohio State, and you know
why he gets.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Criticized at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, he can't beat Michigan exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So look, I mean I think in the end, fan
bases see teams like Texas A and M paying seventy
five million dollars for guys like Jimbo Fisher to walk away,
and they think, well, buy out should matter.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
If they can do it, why can't we do it?
But before you chime in on this here or here
with your take, I want to get a response from
a former teammate of yours. You played with Shannon Sharp
in Denver, Correct, I did. He's now on first take, obviously,
and Shannon took exception to herb Street's comments over the
weekend about first Take, criticizing Ryan Day with a stern
(34:00):
warrant check this out there.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I'm gonna let it slide. I'm gonna be a good teammate.
I'm gonna let it slide.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Everybody that ESPN because had you not taken the route
you taking, I would have lit their ass up.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I'm gonna let it slide.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
You know what, guys, congratulations Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You won the game.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
But ay, if we're gonna be on the same team,
if we're gonna work for the same network, don't do that,
Kurt Chris Foler, I promise you. If you ever mentioned
anything any platform that I'm on again and talking about,
I wonder what they're gonna say in negativity.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I promise you.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
ESPN ain't got enough bosses to keep me off y'all
for what I'm gonna say. So, I'm gonna let y'all
slide today. I'm gonna turn it over to D d
O before I get myself in trouble. But don't play
with me.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Go ahead, Dyo, D.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I gotta follow, I gotta go ahead.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Wow, all right? See, you know sharing a shark better
than me? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I Do you think he's legitimately pasted HERB Street went
after his show on TV?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah? I think he's absolutely legitimately Didn't that sound you
don't need to know Shannon's Does that sound pissed to you?
Or does that say he's playing?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
So it sounds like he's pissed, but I just want
to confirm it with you. Is that.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, Herbstreet doesn't want that smoke at all. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know what exactly what he
was threatening.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
But he said he was threatening to kick his asses.
When he was threatening, well he he's gonna meet him
in the hallway.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, Shannon's one of the most Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah,
you don't want to mess with Shannon, which sounds absurd
when you're talking about I mean, what is Shannon close
to sixty years old? It's kind of absurd. But in
the words of Rambo, I would say Kirk Herbstreet drew
first blood in that contest, right right, which I.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Got no problem with.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I mean, if they said what they said, it went
after Ryan Day and wanted him fired, and Herbstreet found
it absurd.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That's so what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I go on this radio station every day, and things
that were set on the air before I go on
the station.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Let me ask you this, how often do you hear
that type of commentary in a game?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Not very often during a game, no for sure, for sure, right.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
And I mean, and I don't know what was said
on first take. I think obviously Herb Street, you know,
just the fact you'd say lunatic the friends. On some level,
I'd say, like Kurt, you can't you can't have it
both ways. You can't have the game Michigan Ohio State,
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and it's literally described as the best rivalry in all
of American sports by I would say the majority. If
there was a vote, I think that game would get
more votes than any other game, not North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Not that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
You know, people say Arman Navy. I get it, you're
not going to get it unanimous. But I think in
my opinion, Michigan Ohio State is and you can't have
the zeal from Ohio State fans and Michigan fans and
not expect to have the angst when you can't beat
you can't win that rivalry.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That part, I totally agree with you. And well, I.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Understand what Herbstreet is saying, because you're saying, look, this
is absurd. He's not going to get fired just because
he can't beat Michigan. I mean, there's a long time
where Harbrough couldn't beat Ohio State, and then he finally did,
he turned the corner, and then then they won three straight.
I mean that's just the nature of that rivalry. There's
ebbs and flows, and I would say to me, I
would be very surprised if Ryan Day got fired because
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he's done enough good things with that program other than
beating Michigan. And be careful if you just say, well,
look at all the good stuff you're doing, but you
can't beat Michigan, so we'll find somebody else.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't know, well, I listen. Part of this is
replacing urban Meyer. You know, urban Meyer I think did
very well against Michigan. If I'm not miss yeah, exactly,
and he was. I think I got it written down
team and four against top ten teams while he was
on the job at Ohio State, and Ryan Days had
to follow that guy, so that standards are high. But
what you just said there, I have said that many
(38:10):
many times on this radio station. I totally agree that
the athletes and the franchises, even in this town, they
want your loyalty and your extreme passion when things are
going well, but they don't want it when things are
going poor. And you can't have that right if you
want me to, you know, you know, spend money on
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tickets that I should be spending on my kids, or
camp out all night and be fired up for a
game when things are going great. You want me to
be a complete looted tic when things are going well
and go over the top as a fan, but you
don't want any of that when things are going poor.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
It just doesn't work like that. So I'm one thousand
percent with you in that regard.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Hey Mitchell, I know we're late, but I want to
do one more here real quick before we get to
the headlines. Hey, Hugh, did you happened to hear that
what's that dick? During a lopsided college football playoff game?
Or Notre Dame beat Indiana? And answer Sean McDonough, what
are your good buddies? You questions whether or not Indiana
deserve to be in the playoff and the respect the
Big Ten receives from the committee, Well, the.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Narrative is going to be.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Again, should Indian have been The one thing I didn't
understand when we did the ACC championship in Clemson played
SMU and a lot of people saying, where SMU doesn't
win the championship, they'll get the outmack fit, They're probably out.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Alabama's going to be it.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
I didn't understand why Indiana wasn't included in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, and I didn't understand.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
You know, I know they were eleven in one, but
what was it about their resumes that they were clearly
more deserving than SNU or Alabama?
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think it was the Big Ten. I also think they.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Need to lose the assumption that the SEC and the
Big Ten are clearly head shoulders about verybody.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Else, particularly the Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
I mean, the SEC has the recent Henry Alabama Georgia,
but the Big ten's won two national championships in college
football since win two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Two and two the Ohio State went into two two
done three.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
That went for your review two season, but it's Ohio
State won the first college football Playoffs Michigan last. But
you know, I just I don't understand why there's this
resumption that seems for many that the Big Ten in
particular is so much better than the ACC or the
Big Twelfth.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Not sure what that's based on.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
I think there's a lot of talking about strength of schedule.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, you're playing each other.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
So if you just assume, well, our league's better than everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Else, so therefore our strangle.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
What if your league isn't better than everybody else, is your.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Strength of schedule better than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Okay, you know, I know a lot of people here
were talking about Indiana how they only lost by ten
to Notre Dame. Yeah, it was twenty seven to three
with five minutes to go in the fourth quarter. That's
Notre Dame. I mean, they got destroyed. And for me,
part of the criticism, and I think lack of support
for Indiana I think comes from their big mouth head coach.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But that's just part of it for me.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I also think when you don't beat anybody, people tend
to look at you and kind of wonder if if
you belong. But I also don't know when I saw
somebody post this over the weekend. I'm curious if you agree.
I don't know if there's any world where as long
as you have a twelve team playoff and eleven and
one big ten team doesn't get in.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, I agree with that. Someone Sean their knicks, talk
about it factor, he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
And then here your lines, break it up.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
We're gonna we're gonna get y'all reset there, get the
Gerbil running again, get the Hamster going again. We'll reset
Hugh's line, get him back, and then we'll do some headlines.
And here from Mike McDonald coming up on ninety three
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You don't know?
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Dick?
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All right? Some news in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The Texans are claiming wide receiver Deontay Johnson off waivers
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Former Purdue tight end Max Clare, the number one portal
tight end by the way available, committing today to play
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Speaker 3 (01:18):
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Speaker 2 (02:12):
You can see tho sportsbook hanging out until five o'clock
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KJR FM. Jackson now dick out. But hey, that's just
fine because Hugh Millen is in. After a Seahawk loss
to the Minnesota Vikings yesterday, How are you pal?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Not bad?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That was a really really aggravated I mean I had
to take a drive after that game, get in my
car and drive. I gotta get We got a bunch
of friends and family in, but I just had to
get alone, man, just me and the dogs because I
couldn't hear out people.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, let's talk about why was it the play calling?
Was it the execution? Was it the scheme? Was it
the fact that you're sitting here at nine and eight?
Excuse me eight and six? Sorry about that? With the
playoffs kind of dwindling as the days go by, what
was the number one reason why you had to get
in the car and be by yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, I just you feel like the playoffs it's all
but over. You could all but write the epitaph for
the twenty twenty four season, and you know here the
rams were started one and four and they and and
they're gonna come back and win this damn division. And
you know, you look at the penalty by Murphy. Oh
my god, they have a beautiful stunt. You know, they
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get the center to pass off, you get the the
outside leverage by the guard like perfect. You didn't have
to do a lot of your Murphy because that was
more scheme to get that sack. That wasn't just you know,
and and hell if he doesn't make it, Draymond Jones
is right there and and it's literally the penalty that
destroys this season. I mean, I can't think of a
(03:45):
more punitive penalty. I mean it was third and eighteen
under four.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Minutes from the third. Do you like your chances? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Do you like your chances in that?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I do so, by the way, right yeah yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And and you know, yeah, not not up three, you're
up four. I don't know. And then of course, you
know the giant you're right to mention that just that
just seems to linger like you know, bad spoiling cheese
or something. And you know, I don't know, it's it's uh,
it's a it's a consortium of things, and then and
then there's Genos just perplexing because when he's at his best,
(04:22):
he's he's a he's really really uh a entertaining quarterback.
I mean, he does things the right way. When he
does things the right way, But there's always, you know,
the five or ten Geno plays where I just kind
of hold my breath and shake my head and like, dude,
you're too good for this, You're too experienced, and you know,
(04:42):
you never know what's going to come invite you. But
but he had a couple of those, and I don't
know all of the above. I don't know what about you. Well,
always aasperated.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Why don't we just take a step back for a second,
because I feel like what we just did was like
the opening of like the Johnny Carson Show where he
sets this, he kind of sets the schedule for the show.
It comes out and says, send me, Davis Junior is
going to be here, Jackie Gleeson is gonna be here,
blah blah blah. Then he comes back and does his
monoff eat little monologue, and then he goes and sits
(05:10):
down and Ed shows up and they just kind of
get going. So now that we kind of got like
the little teas out of the way, which was Millan
getting into his car, pissed off, angry, has to be
by himself, and I'm I'm right there with you, by
the way, I feel like now, and got Hugh, look,
I got this laundry list of topics in front of me.
And as the list went longer and longer and lower
(05:33):
and lower down the page, my writing got more and more. Uh,
is it illegible? Is that a word, by the way, discernible?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Whatever? Okay?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And I can't even understand what the hell I was
writing here because I was thank you, I was trying
to jam everything. But yeah, I think we all know
what I'm talking about. Yes, thybody else, thank you very much.
I was trying to jam everything into one piece of paper.
So if I I'll send you a picture of this.
It's ridiculous, man. But I feel like I've got all
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these little topics and there's like this topic wheel like.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And we just see where it stops.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I'm just gonna read you a bunch of different
little notes that I wrote down.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And when you hear and when you hear something that
you want to respond to, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean, we got the first interception to Noah Fan
five point fifty to go in the second quarter. We
got the second interception late in the game to DK Metcalf.
We got the face mass penalty on Biron Murphy. We
got Trey Brown.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Is there like some horner I need to blow?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Let me just go, just give me Okay, did you
hear something there you want to respond to?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Well, first and ten the first interception, yes, you know
the rush. Now there's some goofy stuff going on with
the running back releasing Knine seeming like he's gonna block
the blitzer, but then releasing in the flat. But that
point notwithstanding, you give some ground. Your twelve yards behind
the line of scrimmage, the tight ends ten yards, you
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got twenty two, you know, discernible air yards. If it
doesn't look bright green, you know the light. If you
don't love that opportunity to playoff script there, you gotta
dirt the ball. I mean these type of turnovers. I
think the down is central to a lot of the analysis. Right,
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you can you can throw the ball out of bounds,
and you can recover from second and ten, But if
you you know, you think that is gonna beat that guy,
you got to be sure that he is. So I
just think it's a you know, it's a double minus.
It's critical air.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, and then look, I mean, like I said to
Ian earlier today or in crosstalk, Gino easily could have
had four interceptions. I mean, fourteen to fifty five early
fourth quarter, h third and one, Cashman drops the linebacker
for Minnesota. Hugh drops a ball right off his chest. Yeah,
Shack Griffin drop a pick. I think on the next
drive on third and eight that was going to DK Metcalf.
(07:59):
He had that ball in his hands and he easily
could have picked that off. So, I mean, look, the
numbers for Gino don't look terrible, but I just think, man,
he really put his team in harms way a lot yesterday,
and I don't understand. And look, Dick and I have
gone back and forth on this the entire year. I
disagree with him on the play calling and the game
and the approach for the Lion game. I do agree
(08:22):
with him that for whatever reason, and I think everybody
would agree with this. For whatever reason, the Seahawks have
gotten away from the run. I mean, for example, Kenny
Walker had three rushes for nineteen yards. The first two
drives of the game. Then you have five carries for
twelve yards the rest of the way in a very
close game. I know McDonald said he was banged up
a little bit yesterday, but for some reason, for whatever reason,
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And I'm putting McDonald, by the way, Hugh in this
category as well, because he's the damn head coach. The
Seahawks just don't want to run the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I just don't want to. Why is that?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I don't know. I was, you know, with a bunch
of people watching the game, you know, a holiday time,
and I was just like, why are they not running?
Why are they not running? I saw what you saw.
They were running what's called a dual play where you
get the double teams on the strong side, but they
were getting some backside creases. I mean, there's some holes
that look good there, and you know, Kenneth Walker, I
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think he might have missed one, and I certainly think
that in a second quarter checkdown. He had a very
perplexing run after the catch where he just kind of
ran right into a Viking linebacker where I thought there
was some space to his left. So I didn't love
every time he touched the ball. But he's still in
my mind, a top fight professional halfback, and they were
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getting enough. I agree with you. I think they should
have milked it, and I don't. I don't often say that,
but I think I've said it a lot this year. Yeah,
it's been a topic, and I agree.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well in that look.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I mean, the one play that stands out the most,
so the series that stands out the most. Fourteen fifty
five to go, fourth quarter? Okay, you run the fake
punt right, Whi's good for Jay Harbaugh was a beautiful play.
I mean, you know, kind of putting a all that
craziness that happened at the Jets game a couple of
weeks ago. You know, give give Jay Harbaugh the Special
Teams Unit credit for that fake play.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
They ran to Julian Love.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So they're first and five after I think the off
sides are too many men in the huddle on the
vikings whatever. The penalty was first and five and they
run what I don't know what looked like to me
was supposed to be a screen. I don't know what
was going on there, but whether it was Tomlinson or
Charles Cross, Big Olu may have been in there as well.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It was the most poorly executed screen I've.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Ever seen in the Bike six Yeah, yeah, the Viking
defensive front of is like, we're not fallve for that crap?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean it was just the biggest joke of a
screenplay I've ever seen. And then all of a sudden
at second and eleven and yeah, of course you're gonna
throw the ball because you lost six yards on first down.
So a lot of people want to come out and
they want to rip Ryan Grubb for not running the ball. Hey,
once that screen got blown up on first down, running
the ball was no longer an option.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, well that happens a lot. And by the way,
you know, you think of Kenneth Walker. He had how
many catches to he out? He had seven or eight catches? Uh,
and and I think that there's an you know, extension
if you will.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
It eight catches for twenty eight yards on eight targets.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
By the way, yeah yeah, I mean you could on
some level say that the the ball control that you're
looking for, that you're finding that a little bit. I mean,
that was that was the essence of the West Coast
offense philosophy when Bill Walsh invented it. I mean it
was with the Cincinnati Bengals and Virgil Carter was the
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the quarterback. Not to give a history lesson we're not
thinking about that, but but they just said, hey, our
offensive line stinks.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's a lot easier to get four yards throwing the.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Fullback in the flat on a high percentage than trying
to run and at four yards. You know that that's
that's how the West Coast offense, you know, because back
back and then it was, you know, fifty one percent
was a good completion percentage. And and so I'm I
think philosophically that's okay, but I still just think there's
got to be more. But you're right that that the screenplay.
(12:01):
Screen passes, I think are are are on every level,
even if you're the best team. There's a little bit
of a luck component to it, yeah, because the timing
is so crucial on when the lineman release. Hey, do
you actually fool the defensive linemen to think, a they
can rush the pass or do they do they sense
it and and fall off into the area. So uh, yeah, no,
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that was one of one of many disconcerting plays well.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And I think I think the last couple of drivers
of the game for the Seahawks are easy to focus
on because obviously they came at crunch time. But you
got the decision to let Jason Myers kick a sixty
yard field goal instead of either A punting the ball
away or B going forward on fourth and fifteen. And
then obviously the interception to DK Metcalf right, which is
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getting criticized by a lot of people. It kind of
feels like most people by now have taken the side
of Gino Smith at DK metcalf messed that up in
some form or fashion. So I don't really give a
damn what those people think. I need to hear from you.
So let's work backwards and start with the interception to
DK Metcalf on first and ten from the Seahawks seventeen.
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There's fifty five seconds left to go in the game. Obviously,
got a shot to tie the game with the field goal,
win the game with a touchdown fifty five seconds and
NFL Land is forever.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
The game is certainly not lost at that point. It
was lost on the pick. What happened?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, Well, I've discussed this earlier today, and if you're
a p one that's our primary one listeners at KJR,
you may have heard this already to apologies to you,
but for those who haven't heard it, my evaluation is this.
I can understand Gino in the pockets olo Timmy loses
a blocker early guy's bearing down on him, and the
idea of expecting a wide receiver to cross the face
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of the safety, I understand it in that moment. Let's
talk about what the Vikings were doing. They played a
defense that's called two man. I diagnosed this last night.
Go that's two man, but with instead of four men,
rush is a three man rush, and and and they
took an extra safety. What two man is is think
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of it like this, Dave. You got five eligible receivers,
so you got man underneath all five guys is bump
and run. And then you got a safety on each
half of the field. And because you have not one
deep safety but two on each half of the field,
then the shallow man defenders they can kind of be
in a trail position and only think about short and
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intermediate stuff because they have help on the deep stuff. Right,
So ordinarily in two man there'd be one safety over
on dk side of the field. And and oh number
two god dang I I CRAI he used to be
the best corner in in in football. But any of it,
he's he's shattering from uh DK up the up the field.
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And and yet it's not one safety, it's not a
four man rush. It's a three man rush. And by
the way, my evaluation, I got up this morning on
the NFL stat portal and I said, Okay, I'm gonna
filter it because this is how I determined the play was.
And yep, that's exactly what they They had cover two
man with a three man rush. And this is the
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frequency that the NFL runs this. There to date, in
twenty twenty four, fifteen six, and twenty four pass attempt
by all NFL quarterbacks, there have been thirty one of
those plays where the defense has played cover two man
with in the way that they did. And it was
the Vikings only the Vikings second time the Atlanta has
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done at eight with our boy Jimmy Lake. They do
drop eight more than anybody, right, remember the Apple cups
and dropping eight. But getting back to that play, they
are the NFL runs that coverage let one point nine
to eight pass attempts per thousand, So this is a
very rare coverage. And and DK's looking up and he's saying, Hey,
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do I cross the guy's face or did I go deep?
Now I want to stop right here and say, if
I'm grading DKA, give him a minus because he loafed,
he stopped running, and regardless he should have kept running.
I'm gonna just get that out of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But that's not something we can just gloss over.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Though, no it's not. But and we'll get back to that.
But the real question is should he go behind that defender,
over the top of him, or should he go underneath
him and cross his face as Gino was throwing the ball,
I'm going to direct you. Fourteen fifty four to go
in the third quarter, the very first offensive play of
the third DK runs a high angle corner, not cross
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the face. In fact, he starts, he starts to flatten it,
but then he stays high because it's a flood concept,
the weak side flood. He's got the clear out and
he got Tyler Lockett coming in in the intermediate. One's
sixteen to go in the third quarter, similar type of deal.
DK taking a high a goal to open things up
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for the others. Thirteen oh seven to go in the
fourth quarter, DK taking a high angle. Now I just
cited three plays in that game. Watch the coach's tape,
where structurally they are similar plays, if not nearly exact
to the interception in question. So if DK had let's say,
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DK's responsibility to be the clear out to open up
for JSN was running an intermediate crossing route to about
eighteen yards on that side, if DK flattens that and
crosses his face, that violates a rule of having that's
having two guys in the same window. You would come
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back and say, DK, what are you doing crossing his face?
You know it's your job to go higher. You already
did it the first play of the third quarter. You've
already shown that you know what you're supposed to do
to open it up. And then furthermore, what if Gino
would have thrown it over the top of that safety.
Ext Gino to keep clearing high because it's a weak
(18:04):
side flood. So look, I understand what what Gino saw,
because the best way to get a completion was to
cross the face of the safety. But I also understand
DK why he would say, Hey, it's my job to
go over the top of the deepest defender. And furthermore,
don't don't undersell this point that look that he had
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where it looked like a three deep because it's two
over one with him, he was basically triple team. It's
covered two man with not two safeties, three safeties.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well who gets the blame? Ply then who gets the
bigger piece?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well, I'm going to give DK a minus for not
running hard. But as far as going over the top,
I would say, Gino, you look and say, look, I
know it's first and fifteen not verse and ten, And
I know he had a sense of urgency, and it's like, okay,
I got to be more aggressive than I want to be.
But there's still an opportunity away from all the triple
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team over on on DK, there's an opportunity to get
Fan in the flat to the left, had he deciphered
the defense there, or he's got to dirt the ball
and just on play for second and fifteen. You know
it's for down territory anyways, Right, So you got three
more downs with the defense in somewhat of a prevent that.
You know the Vikings they covered that well, good, they
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have a good defense and they won. You can't just
throw it into triple covers. Now, look if they come
back and they say DK shit across his face. Then
you're gonna tell me, well, is that is that a
weak side flood concept? Yes or no. If you're saying
that that he's got the latitude to cross the face
or go over top, that's going to create all kinds
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of problems giving him that latitude. In my experience in
twenty five years of playing football, it's like, hey, if
you've got to flood and you're the clear out dude,
you got to be the clear out dude. And I
would just say it. I think it looked at to
our I it looked more objectionable because we saw him
choke it down. Now, I'm not defending that part of it. Dude,
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run the freaking route. It's first down. It's not like
it's the eighth play of the drive. It's the first
play of the drive. And you gotta And here's the
I'll close with this thought. The irony on that is
you could literally watch the tape as I have. It's
remarkable to me I mentioned it how often DK he
knows he's not going to get the football, he knows
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the progression, and he's on his horse, running as hard
as he can. I mean, he runs with heart and
he didn't run with heart on that route. Yeah, it's
a bad time to not run with heart. But yeah,
but that's not really the issue is cross the face
or not cross the face.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, I gotta tell you because with fifty five seconds
left to go, I didn't I'd belin to you, Hugh
if I said I felt great about the hawks chances,
but I didn't feel terrible about.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Their only three points.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean we've seen Gino Smith in that situation out
of as you know what, many many many times. I mean, obviously,
they blew their previous two timeouts on the last Viking drive,
so they had none left if I'm not mistaken on
that drive.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
But it wasn't over for me. I mean it was.
It was absolutely not over.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
So that interception, I mean, my god, you talk about
Byron Murphy's face mask, I mean that interception was was
the absolute nail in the coffin, it felt like on
the Seahawks season.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
So look at them back, look at the great throws
at the end of the second quarter. There's of course
a twenty yards, twelve yards, thirteen, twenty five and eight yes, yes,
five straight like big time throws. So yeah, there was
reason to believe that that that no question here in
four down territory. You know you have to work the sidelines, right.
I want to come back the extent that you can.
(21:42):
I want to come back and talk about what now.
Will kind of go over some of the playoff scenarios,
and there's not many that are positive for the Seahawks. Obviously,
Seahawks gott to turn this thing around and fly to
Chicago on Wednesday and then play a game again Thursday night.
It kind of feels like a bad day or a
bad week to have a short week for these guys,
by the way, So Rams and Cardinals, Seahawks and Bears.
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We'll talk about Trey Brown, We'll talk about Byron Murphy,
We'll talk about Kenny Walker. We'll talk about Ryan Grubb,
We'll talk about Mike McDonald. I want to talk about
Satowa Leameya. I want to get your thoughts on Sam Darnold.
I want to talk about the CFP and the playoff
over the weekend. A lot with Hugh between now and
five before Saints Packer's a little fun with audio as well.
Three forty five on ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 5 (22:46):
Gotta look at it. I gotta look at it. But
that's what we're talking about. I mean, the guys fighting
his tail off to get to the quarterback. You know,
you gotta be careful where your hands are. There's a
lot of stuff going on that moment too, So you know,
those are the answers we're talking now. We're you know,
we could have a third and eighteen with two downs
ago to try to seal it, and all of a
sudden two plays later, you know, now we're down three.
So it's like, that's how close we are.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, God, you know the little win probability chart thing
of a deal that ESPN does whatever. Yes, I would
have loved to have known what the Seahawks win percentage
would have been if that sack would have stood and
Minnesota would have had the ball Hugh third and eighteen
from their own thirty eight yard line. Instead, you get
the face mask penalty right there that McDonald's talking about
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on Byron Murphy, and it goes from third and eighteen
from the Viking thirty eight to first and ten from
the Seahawk thirty nine yard line. That's a twenty three
yard swing, I mean, unbelievable. And the very next play,
I mean, hey, look at least Minnesota didn't draw the
damn thing out. They scored the very next play to
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Justin Jefferson for thirty nine yards. But I mean, there's
just there's two mistakes in the second half that will
keep me up at night. Number one is the face
mask on Byron Murphy and then the Tree Brown off side.
He's literally lining up off sides as a cornerback and
it's it. It leads to a touchdown the very next play.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Which he gives up. Which he gave up.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean, Trey Brown goes from allowing the Vikings to
continue from third and three to third and nine whenever
the hell it was, and the very next play gives
up the touchdown. Man, I mean, those two just critical mistakes.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
There he did and and history will record that he
did give that up.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yes, in my mind.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
And you know, I think the world of Mike McDonald
very bullish on Mike McDonald, But I did not like that,
no way, ever, not one time. Am I ever putting
Trey Brown. How long? When's the last time he's on
the field. It's been six weeks, right, right, And even
if he'd been playing against in the NFL, against the
(24:50):
best receiver in the NFL and press coverage, no safety
over the top, no thank you, I'm never calling that defense.
Not once.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, let's stop there for a second.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Let's just pause, because I mean, look, what you just
said is you think the world of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You're bullish on Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yet in the same breath you're telling me you would
never have called the play in the scheme that Mike
McDonald called. So if you were a ten on Mike
McDonald when the year began, are you still a ten?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Are you a nine and a half? Are you an
eight and a half? Are you starting to maybe slightly.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Lose a little bit of faith in McDonald or are
you still where you were when the guy was hired?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
We got Hugh Mitchell, you got me? Hello, yep, Hello, Okay,
I guess Hugh. Do we have you? Yeah? I'm here, Okay,
go ahead. We just lost it for a quick second there.
You know what, you know what?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know what I thought you were doing? I thought
you were actually thinking about your answer to that question
for a minute. Okay, So I mean again, you're telling
me that you love McDonald, which look I do two overall,
But then you're also telling us that you never would
have called.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That play there.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I would not have called the play because I just
think from a matchup standpoint. First of all, you know,
maybe i'd do Reek Woollam, just because he's got the
size to contend to fade off if you're gonna ask
him to press cover seats. It's a three deep four
in their zone. You can play play that corner off
with the corner out out in bailing bail technique where
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he's given ground. They played it like Richard Sherman cover three,
which is just press it and take inside leverage. Well,
Richard Sherman was six to three and a former receiver
with great ball skills, right, and you know Trey Brown
is five to ten. I mean, so he's given up
a lot of size he's given He's not really that fast.
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He's more of a nickel guy in some ways in
terms of his skill set, his body style, and lack
of outright speed. So no, I would I would either
roll the safety or i'd have somebody else, or even
if I'm gonna play three deep, I'm not gonna play
press cover. Does that make sense? Press is basically bump
and run. So now you've got Justin Jefferson, who is
(27:02):
elite in almost every category as a receiver, including his
releases at the line of scrimmage. And so he's gonna
he's gonna give you a little simil little hold you
and then and then burst and then he's just over
the top and then he's got the great closing skills
to uh to finish the play in the end zone.
(27:23):
So no way am I putting Trey Brown one on
one out there.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
No.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
But but to your McDonald question, no, that doesn't cause
me to lose faith. Not one play. No, that would
be silly.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, Hugh, I don't mean one play. I mean the
entire season. I mean what you've seen so far after
fifteen games. I didn't mean the one play. I'm just
using that as a tool to kind of get the
conversation going about what we've seen from Mike McDonald, Because
there was that you know, four or five game stretch
there where the Seahawk defense looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
They're kind of starting to get pushed around again by
the Packers in Minnesota. We'll see what happens against Caleb
Williams on Thursday, and then we'll see how important that,
you know, ram game is in week eighteen. But you
got two coaches here in Ryan Grubb and Mike McDonald
that look, we're not blind, right, we're not stupid. We
know there's criticism of both these guys all over social media.
(28:15):
How much of it is warranted because there's some folks
that want to run grub out and there's some folks
that want to put McDonald on the hot seat.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Well, I can't even fathom McDonald on the hot seat.
That just seems ludicrous to me. I mean, what kind
of uh explain to me how that makes sense. He's
what like, you're thinking about firing him. So, so now
what are the players? What's so you're gonna put them
all the players through entirely new schemes. They're gonna we're
gonna wipe the slate clean. We're not gonna we're not
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gonna give any credence to continuity and what year two
might look like on both sides of the ball, right,
Because remember now McDonald when he went to Baltimore. Through
eight games, the Ravens were twenty third in the NFL,
and then through the final nine weeks they were first. Well,
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going into this game, even with the Packer game, it
was almost identical. Seattle had been twenty first this is
points allowed, and then they had been up to one.
After the Packer game there was still fourth in the
last six weeks or fourth, you know, it's climbed up
since then, but they're in the top ten in the
last five weeks. No, no continuity. That is absolutely as
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absurd and right. As for Ryan Grubb, offense is harder
to gel than defense, and so look, I would it
shock me if Ryan Grubb said, Hey, I'd rather just
go be bat Bama's offensive coordinator. I have zero indication
that he would want to do that. But you know,
(29:51):
I think, you know, perhaps it's been eye opening experience
playing in the coaching rather in the NFL. So but no, no,
there's no part of me that would want to make
a change there.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Well, I think I think what we got to get
to the bottom of and I don't know if this
is even possible. We're gonna break here in a second, here,
we'll do some fun with audio here from McDonald at
four o'clock today at four.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
So we're kind of dive into this in the four
o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
But you had forty three pass attempts by Geno Smith
and you had eleven carries by running backs yesterday and
McDonald even I think insinuated this today that hey, some
of those are RPOs that Gino Smith is checking into
a pass.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I want to know from you, how can we tell?
How can we tell?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And is it time for maybe Ryan Grubb to limit
the control, to limit the RPO options that Gino Smith
has and force this guy to run the ball. And
if it's not Ryan Grubb's turn to force Gino Smith
to run the ball, is it Mike McDonald's turn as
the head coach to force Ryan Grubb to run the ball.
So let's dive into that coming up before we're gonna
(30:52):
get into some fun with audio, including some big controversy
and conversation with the CFP over the weekend that's next
on ninety three to three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (31:18):
All right, Mitchell, we are gonna go with our our
partner there, we got him has dropped you was dropped?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
All right? What are you? Why do you get him back?
On the horn? There?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Mitchell's where we're paying you all this big time money
to make you kind of orchestrate this thing.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Man like a conductor. So get it, get it done,
make it happen. There he is.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Hugh Millan rejoins us here on the radio show, hanging
out until five o'clock. We got Saints, so we got
packers coming up at five pm. Right now though here,
we got a little fun with audio slash.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Hey did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Hey Dick?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Let's start with uh.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Kirk kurb Street ESPN during Ohio States blowout win over
Tennessee in the CFP this weekend, kirkirb Street taking aim
at the Buckeye fan base and some of his ESPN
colleagues over their criticism of Ohio State head coach Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Now, Kurt, how much of this.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
Softens the blow of that Michigan loss? Of more work
to do right for folks to I can't forgive, forget
that one.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
Speaking on behalf of the lunatic fringe, I'm not sure
how they operate. The lunatic fringe at Ohio State is
as powerful as as anywhere in the country.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
How big as the fringe, well, it used to be
eight to ten.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
I think it's grown out about fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So I don't know.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
I don't know, you know, I'm sure they'll be happy tonight,
be fired up about what the Ohio State team did.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
But how to forbid they lose to Oregon. They may
want to fire him again.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
But that's not reality.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
When you hear pundits on this network and other places
talk about that with certainty, it's nonsense, Frankly. I mean,
the public doesn't pull the trigger and get rid of
the coach. Now the administrators do, and they're behind him.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
Yeah, first take tried to fire and they thought he
was done. So I'll be dexcited to see what they
talk about on Monday after this performance. They had him,
they had him out, they're trying to find replacements.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
But here he is, there, he is, He still got
his hat on. He's still coaching.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay, So Ryan Dayhee is now sixty seven and ten
as the head coach at Ohio State, and you know
why he gets.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Criticized at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, he can't beat Michigan exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So look, I mean I think in the end, fan
bases see teams like Texas A and M paying seventy
five million dollars for guys like Jimbo Fisher to walk away,
and they think, well, buy out should matter.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
If they can do it, why can't we do it?
But before you chime in on this here or here
with your take, I want to get a response from
a former teammate of yours. You played with Shannon Sharp
in Denver, Correct, I did. He's now on first take, obviously,
and Shannon took exception to herb Street's comments over the
weekend about first Take, criticizing Ryan Day with a stern
(34:00):
warrant check this out there.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I'm gonna let it slide. I'm gonna be a good teammate.
I'm gonna let it slide.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Everybody that ESPN because had you not taken the route
you taking, I would have lit their ass up.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I'm gonna let it slide.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
You know what, guys, congratulations Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You won the game.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
But ay, if we're gonna be on the same team,
if we're gonna work for the same network, don't do that,
Kurt Chris Foler, I promise you. If you ever mentioned
anything any platform that I'm on again and talking about,
I wonder what they're gonna say in negativity.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I promise you.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
ESPN ain't got enough bosses to keep me off y'all
for what I'm gonna say. So, I'm gonna let y'all
slide today. I'm gonna turn it over to D d
O before I get myself in trouble. But don't play
with me.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Go ahead, Dyo, D.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I gotta follow, I gotta go ahead.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Wow, all right? See, you know sharing a shark better
than me? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I Do you think he's legitimately pasted HERB Street went
after his show on TV?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah? I think he's absolutely legitimately Didn't that sound you
don't need to know Shannon's Does that sound pissed to you?
Or does that say he's playing?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
So it sounds like he's pissed, but I just want
to confirm it with you. Is that.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, Herbstreet doesn't want that smoke at all. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know what exactly what he
was threatening.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
But he said he was threatening to kick his asses.
When he was threatening, well he he's gonna meet him
in the hallway.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, Shannon's one of the most Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah,
you don't want to mess with Shannon, which sounds absurd
when you're talking about I mean, what is Shannon close
to sixty years old? It's kind of absurd. But in
the words of Rambo, I would say Kirk Herbstreet drew
first blood in that contest, right right, which I.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Got no problem with.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I mean, if they said what they said, it went
after Ryan Day and wanted him fired, and Herbstreet found
it absurd.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That's so what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I go on this radio station every day, and things
that were set on the air before I go on
the station.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Let me ask you this, how often do you hear
that type of commentary in a game?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Not very often during a game, no for sure, for sure, right.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
And I mean, and I don't know what was said
on first take. I think obviously Herb Street, you know,
just the fact you'd say lunatic the friends. On some level,
I'd say, like Kurt, you can't you can't have it
both ways. You can't have the game Michigan Ohio State,
(36:36):
and it's literally described as the best rivalry in all
of American sports by I would say the majority. If
there was a vote, I think that game would get
more votes than any other game, not North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Not that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
You know, people say Arman Navy. I get it, you're
not going to get it unanimous. But I think in
my opinion, Michigan Ohio State is and you can't have
the zeal from Ohio State fans and Michigan fans and
not expect to have the angst when you can't beat
you can't win that rivalry.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That part, I totally agree with you. And well, I.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Understand what Herbstreet is saying, because you're saying, look, this
is absurd. He's not going to get fired just because
he can't beat Michigan. I mean, there's a long time
where Harbrough couldn't beat Ohio State, and then he finally did,
he turned the corner, and then then they won three straight.
I mean that's just the nature of that rivalry. There's
ebbs and flows, and I would say to me, I
would be very surprised if Ryan Day got fired because
(37:38):
he's done enough good things with that program other than
beating Michigan. And be careful if you just say, well,
look at all the good stuff you're doing, but you
can't beat Michigan, so we'll find somebody else.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't know, well, I listen. Part of this is
replacing urban Meyer. You know, urban Meyer I think did
very well against Michigan. If I'm not miss yeah, exactly,
and he was. I think I got it written down
team and four against top ten teams while he was
on the job at Ohio State, and Ryan Days had
to follow that guy, so that standards are high. But
what you just said there, I have said that many
(38:10):
many times on this radio station. I totally agree that
the athletes and the franchises, even in this town, they
want your loyalty and your extreme passion when things are
going well, but they don't want it when things are
going poor. And you can't have that right if you
want me to, you know, you know, spend money on
(38:32):
tickets that I should be spending on my kids, or
camp out all night and be fired up for a
game when things are going great. You want me to
be a complete looted tic when things are going well
and go over the top as a fan, but you
don't want any of that when things are going poor.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
It just doesn't work like that. So I'm one thousand
percent with you in that regard.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Hey Mitchell, I know we're late, but I want to
do one more here real quick before we get to
the headlines. Hey, Hugh, did you happened to hear that
what's that dick? During a lopsided college football playoff game?
Or Notre Dame beat Indiana? And answer Sean McDonough, what
are your good buddies? You questions whether or not Indiana
deserve to be in the playoff and the respect the
Big Ten receives from the committee, Well, the.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Narrative is going to be.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Again, should Indian have been The one thing I didn't
understand when we did the ACC championship in Clemson played
SMU and a lot of people saying, where SMU doesn't
win the championship, they'll get the outmack fit, They're probably out.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Alabama's going to be it.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
I didn't understand why Indiana wasn't included in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, and I didn't understand.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
You know, I know they were eleven in one, but
what was it about their resumes that they were clearly
more deserving than SNU or Alabama?
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think it was the Big Ten. I also think they.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Need to lose the assumption that the SEC and the
Big Ten are clearly head shoulders about verybody.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Else, particularly the Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
I mean, the SEC has the recent Henry Alabama Georgia,
but the Big ten's won two national championships in college
football since win two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Two and two the Ohio State went into two two
done three.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
That went for your review two season, but it's Ohio
State won the first college football Playoffs Michigan last. But
you know, I just I don't understand why there's this
resumption that seems for many that the Big Ten in
particular is so much better than the ACC or the
Big Twelfth.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Not sure what that's based on.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
I think there's a lot of talking about strength of schedule.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, you're playing each other.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
So if you just assume, well, our league's better than everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Else, so therefore our strangle.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
What if your league isn't better than everybody else, is your.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Strength of schedule better than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Okay, you know, I know a lot of people here
were talking about Indiana how they only lost by ten
to Notre Dame. Yeah, it was twenty seven to three
with five minutes to go in the fourth quarter. That's
Notre Dame. I mean, they got destroyed. And for me,
part of the criticism, and I think lack of support
for Indiana I think comes from their big mouth head coach.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But that's just part of it for me.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I also think when you don't beat anybody, people tend
to look at you and kind of wonder if if
you belong. But I also don't know when I saw
somebody post this over the weekend. I'm curious if you agree.
I don't know if there's any world where as long
as you have a twelve team playoff and eleven and
one big ten team doesn't get in.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, I agree with that. Someone Sean their knicks, talk
about it factor, he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
And then here your lines, break it up.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
We're gonna we're gonna get y'all reset there, get the
Gerbil running again, get the Hamster going again. We'll reset
Hugh's line, get him back, and then we'll do some headlines.
And here from Mike McDonald coming up on ninety three
to three KJRFM,
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