February 10, 2025 • 30 mins
Hugh Millen joins the show to talk about the Suer Bowl, the snub of Mike Holmgren in the HOF, and much more. Is Geno Smith the Nordstrom Rack of QB's?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I have a little more four with their friend Hu
mill And joining us right now post Super Bowl edition.
And Hugh, I don't care where you live, Seattle, Miami, Dallas, Omaha,
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no matter where you live. That was an absolute third
of a football game, unless you're a Philadelphia Eagle fan
as you enjoy Super Sunday.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
My friend, not really, No, I thought it was. You know,
I don't know how anybody could have expected. We've seen
a lot of matchups through the years, particularly like back
in the eighties. You know where you say, Okay, the
better team, the better roster beats the team that has
the better quarterback. But I thought we'd kind of got
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away from those kind of blowouts, But indeed it was
a stinker. But credit the Eagles. They have had two
first year coordinators, one on each side of the ball,
and in a game where I thought Spagnola and Andy
Reid were the talk and justifiably so. I think those
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coaches on each side of the ball for Philadelphia, they
were just the better prepared team and certainly the more
talented roster.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, yeah, it was a flashback for me, Hugh to
like when I was ten, eleven, twelve thirty, and fourteen
years old.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Like every one of those Super Bowls was crappy.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But the first thing I got to ask you about,
and I thought about you watching the beginning of that game,
when Mahomes was just getting swarmed under, tell me about
the lack of a quick game and why we didn't
see more of.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The quick game.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, there was efforts to get the ball on the
quick game. Hell, the first two plays of the game
were designed runs, and post snap Mahomes decides to throw
the quick game. I got a completion kind of on
a little scene route at the on play number one,
and then he threw a swing route a bubble out
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out to the left and Cooper dejene and made a
great tackle in space.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But you know they were.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
They were trying to get to this and then coming
out of the goal line, uh back backed up everything
that they were trying. Was this the quick game? But
a couple of things. First of all, Kelsey looked sluggish
on his little whip routes. It just kind of looks
like an old man. Yeah, hey, Hugh, hey.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Hugh, let me remember quick because Booger McFarlane said yesterday
it was the worst game he's ever seen Kelsey play.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what what Burger said,
you know how he elaborated on it, but he you know,
he dropped the pass early on on his back hip.
That's a pass. He's got a catch, took a smack
for it. That was in a four under four deep,
so there's a drop eight coverage and there was a
window in there and it was a little behind, but
he's got to make that play. And then he was sluggish.
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As I said, the times where he's running the control
or else, they're not sending him down the field. They're
not sending him much more than five or six yards
down the field. And and that's fine, you know, because
he doesn't have the speed, but he also doesn't have
the quickness to separate from those inside defenders and he
kind of telegraphs where he's going. That was a factor.
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You saw the Eagles. They were really trying to nail
down from the top down. When they're playing their Fangio
what's called quarters coverage. A lot of time those corners
will say, Okay, I've got uh, the widest receiver in
the formation from the line of scrimmage to the back
of the end zone. He's all mine up the up
the sideline, and so a lot of times those guys
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are reluctant to really trigger down on the quick game
on those hitches. But that's how they were playing. They
you know, they got quin Quinnon Mitchell and and uh,
you know he was he was you know, he was
kind of almost pitching a tent right and and not
giving depth. And then you also saw times where okay,
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they would they would roll coverage to the boundary and
bat Mahomes he's on the left hash he wants to
get the quick game on the left side. But it's
like Fangio's in the huddle. He says, Hey, they're gonna
try and do the quick game to the boundary side.
Let's leave the field side free access, and let's close
the boundary. And so I just felt like watching that tape,
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I felt like it was two weeks to prepare for
the Super Bowl. I felt like the Eagles had two months, right,
and the Chiefs had two days.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, how much credit?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Because you mentioned the coaches, and I don't know, maybe
we'll get to a point one day where the MVP
can be given to a coach, right, I mean, maybe
there should be an award coming out of that game
that just goes to a coach. You know, why not,
you know, honor one of the coaches on the winning side,
And if you did it, you'll probably give it to Fangio.
But how much credit are you in the mood to
give Nick Siriani for what he's done in Philadelphia? I mean,
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I'll just tell you he's fifty seven and twenty six
overall in four years, with two conference championships and now
a title. How much credit should we be giving Nick Sirianni?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Well, for me, I give him a ton of credit.
I look and say, hey, they lost six of the
last seven games last year then lost the playoff game.
He came in a little bit in battle. Maybe there
was a feeling that they had a better roster and
they were under underachieving. They were two and two at
the start of this year. You go into a buy
and you say, Wow, this guy's on shaky ground for
his job. And then what they want. I don't know
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what was eleven to last twelve or sixteen last seven?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I don't know. Maybe Dick do the math for me. Well,
I know it was a lot too a little to
just one loss, but but yeah, I would I would
be curious to know how how central he was in
the decision to bring in Fangio and to bring in
Kellen Moore, because if he was the guy that was
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pulling that trigger those triggers, I should say plurality there,
I would be even more impressed. But you know, he
got everybody to play for themselves and and play for
each other. And they had a little bit of a
blip when aj Brown was barking about not getting the
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ball too much. Well, that's a style question they had.
But somehow they weathered that storm. And then you just
throw on the tape and look how doggone prepared they
were in this game yesterday. As I said, I just
I could not have envisioned the degree to which the
Eagles would out coach the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yeah, no, couldn't.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
They're sixteen and one in the last seventeen, so it's
pretty impressive. You was Mahomes seeing ghosts yesterday and kind
of running into trouble or was he truly swarmed under?
And how close are those like scrambled tendencies scouting scouted.
It's not something we commonly hear about, but it looked
like the Eagles front four knew where Mahomes was going
to slide before he ever slid.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Well, I think they had a game plan. They never
rushed five or more at any play they had by
my count. Now, I didn't watch all of the end
of the fourth quarter in the sense that I was
tabulating this, but when it mattered, they had twice where
they had only a three man rush, and one of
those featured a simulated pressure with a middle linebacker coming.
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But they're dropping into an eight man zone, so it
was primarily a four man rush, and they said, okay,
let's have the ends bull rush. There's a couple of
ways you can try and win the defensive end. They
can try and run the hoop. And if you've got
a defensive end who can do that and then literally
do a speed rush, get up out of his stance
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and beat with speed around the edge. Hey, that's great.
Guys like Dwight Freeney have specialized. Hey start up the
field and then spin move into the b gap. The
Eagles were doing neither of those. They just said, look,
we're gonna we are gonna squeeze the pocket on bull rushes.
Always bull rushes. So and don't get higher than mah
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homes because then he'll dip in and out of the pocket.
And so the length of the arm length where he
had Joe Toney, the left guard who had slid out.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I looked it up.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
He some over three inches shorter arm length. It looked
like thirteen inches when you saw him. They're losing those battles.
And so the arm length of the defensive ends and
the speed. But again they converted speed to power and
they did bull rush and then the defensive tackles. They
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also said, hey, don't try and swim and go win
on your own. You got to stay center cut on
your offensive lineman be in a position to respond either way.
Into Mahomes. So it was a team They got him
to buy into the team pass rush element where they
squeezed And yeah, Dick, to answer your question, I thought
he did get a little spook there. I thought he
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prematurely got out of the passing position, so when those
tackles were closing in on him fast, he wanted to
step up.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And in the manner.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I described, they just had too much athleticism at the
defensive tackle position, and they were quickie and edgy enough,
and because they were two gapping on their pass rush,
they were able to fall left or right, inside or
outside to get Mahomes. So it was definitely a concerted effort,
a team effort with the four man rush.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Well, Hugh Millin's with us a little more at four.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I gotta tell you, guys, there really is no
controversy from this game to even talk about. I mean,
the first driver of the game, AJ Brown gets the
offensive pass interference call, which I thought was a terrible call.
I mean, I think was at Pereira was doing the
Fox stuff. He thought it was kind of a no call.
Just let it go. I mean, you know, we tend
to forget they were at the chief eighteen yard line
the very first drive. I feel like the Eagles could
have put up fifty on these guys if they wanted
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to in the game yesterday. But outside of that, it
was such a you know, slobber knocker, just ass kicking
by Philadelphia that there wasn't any cotch.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
There was a PI that called against Kansas City late, yeah,
in that first quarter.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, they were both in the next drive.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I mean yeah, I mean it's really kind of nothing though.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, just you know, for it to be real controversial,
they got to be kind of late in the game
at least, you know, it was even second was in
the second quarter. So I mean, did you think that
was the right call on aj Brown to start that
first drive there?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
No, yeah, no, I think that now he did graze
the face mask, but I think, uh, the operative word
there is Gray's.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I thought it was incidental enough. But you know, they
came back and and they made up for it. On
a poor read by Jalen Hurts, real simple mirrored concept
what's called a smash concept, corner routes by boat on
both sides from the slot, and then these little uh
what's called thin routes five yard end routes, uh slash
slant routes coming in and McDuffie was out there in
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the corner and it was just wide open. Hey, throw
it to a J. Brown right in front of He's
wide open and Hurts misread it. He tried to throw
the sail route the tight end was was trying to
throw down in the hole as he should have been.
And McDuffie, you know, one of the best DB's in
the NFL, was what the term is sinking. He was
getting depth and squeezing in on that that sailor out.
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I mean, if I was an official, I would have
never bailed out Hurts in that regard. But I think
it was a little bit of a makeup that next series.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
No question about it.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
What was Mahome seeing on the rollout to the right
throw back to the left pick? I mean that just
I mean, I didn't even see anybody in the area.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Well, it's a four deep three under zone, and Cooper
dejene is the flat defender in that, meaning to the
sideline and shallow. He's got deep help behind him. As
you know. Here from a chief perspective, they're saying, hey,
we got to get Patrick out of the pocket. We're
just you know, we can't block inside the pocket. So
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this was I believe a third. Was it about third
and fifteen? It was it was third and long right,
And so now they they block with the tight end
on the edge, and now he's they have a flood
set deep, intermediate, and shallow towards the sideline.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Dick.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Okay, so now those are Mahomes' reads. But he doesn't
want to throw the shall the shallow because you're not
going to get the first down on third and fifteen.
So he goes to his fourth read in the progression,
which is a backside intermediate crossing route. And Dejene a
former quarterback in high school. You know, all world basketball player,
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one hundred meters sprint champion, long jump champion, the best
all around athlete I've ever scouted in twenty six years
of the draft, like, I've never seen a guy. I've
seen a lot of great duel or maybe three sport guys,
but it's usually a dual sport. But there's a lot
of guys I say, hey, this guy averaged twenty two
points and eight rebounds in heights that I see that
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a lot. I don't see three more sports and so
this guy had fifty nine touchdowns his senior year alone,
like twenty four rush and so he just has an
incredible football IQ. He read the situation, he knew the
concept as a former quarterback, and and he just said, hey,
I got I got a feeling, I'm gonna fall back
into the middle field. He read Mahomes's eyes, and he
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just played it coyly. I mean, played like a twelve
year veteran. But it's because I think of his his
all around athletic background just you know, just led him
to the play and then once he caught it, of
course he made a great play to get in the enze.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I would have given him the MVP of the game
if I were voting. And when I get Jalen Hurt's fine, great, whatever,
But that defense is the story. And I think de
Jean's picked six it reminded me almost of the exact
same scenario Robrok good Smith had to pick six in
twenty thirteen, almost the same time. It was twenty two
zip versus seventeen zips. So I think as the you know,
to kind of represent the defense, I would have given
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Cooper dejen the MVP. But hey, here before you go,
Josh Swett, Josh, Josh Sweat too, you have two and
a half sacks exactly before you.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Go and and bumping Tooney into Mahomes. That's my home
second in. I mean he was materially involved in that play.
Mike Holmgren got dropped again Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I was stune debut and I talked to him. I mean,
we must have had double digit conversations off air about this,
and I just felt like this was the year and
I don't have an answer for you. I really don't.
I mean, I have the spreadsheet.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I wasn't.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I could have pulled it up here. But if you
imagine him as as an NFL Hall of Famer, oh,
I do have it.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
So if you imagine home Grewn as the twenty fifth
Hall of Fame coach, okay, And now put him in
and say, well, how does he rank out of twenty five?
This is how he be in years. So obviously the
lower number, the closer to one, that'd be first place.
So we want to hear low numbers, not high. He'd
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be tenth in years, he'd be eighth in games, eighth
and wins, fourteenth and win loss percentage, twelfth in games
over five five hundred. Again, this is out of twenty
five Hall of Fame coaches. If he right fourth in
years in the playoff, third in games in the playoff,
fifth in playoff wins, eighteenth in win lost percentage in
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the playoffs. Average rank in the division third, championship seventeenth,
Super Bowls ranked tenth, Conference championships ranked sixth. The aggregate
of those is seventh. If you take all of those
and let's say they're all equal. I'm not saying they are,
but if they were all equal, he ranked seventh out
of twenty fifth. Like, we're not sitting there calling out
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numbers like twenty third, twenty four, twenty fifth, twenty second,
twenty third.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We're not doing that.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
He's an aggregat of the seventh highest ranked coach. So
to me, listen, if you took a three fifty seven
magnum and put it right between my eyebrows and said,
give me an argument for why Mike Holmgren is not
a Hall of Famer. I look at it, put my
palms in the air. I say, I guess you're gonna
have to pull the trigger. I can't think of one. Yeah, well,
on that one.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
What did Sando say today that he'll get in. It's
just relaxed, He'll be fine, I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Sando, Sando talked today about it was it was the
process and not about what the Hall feels about Mike Hongrid.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He said, he is.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
He left the meeting with the committee prior to the
vote convinced that Mike was going to get in. But
then in parsing out the numbers and these new voting
rules and having a player competing with the coach, and
he said players are always going to get favoritism over
the coach. He said, that's when he started to get worried.
Not because the Hall doesn't think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Well, if you're Gritch and Holmgren, how does that sound
to you? Of coll So like you know, I mean,
it's like what I mean, you know, a at worst point,
you know, he's seventy six years old. I would just
like him to be able to have great years with
his grandkids and his kids where he is not a
you know, wanna be or or will be or potentially
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Hall of Famer. He deserves to doug on Bee in
there now. And you know right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so
with Bill Walsh guys in a in a book Bill Walsh,
I hope I can pull that one up. He said,
Mike Holmgren in this book, Mike Holmgan is the greatest
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offensive mind I have ever known.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
That's right there, a quote right right in a book
by Bill Walsh.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Bill Walsh is on Mount Rushmore of the history of
the NFL in any capacity, Like, if there's only four
guys based on their impact in the Hall of Fame,
Bill Walsh would be one of them. Yeah, and and
and that's what he says about Mike Holmgren. The whole
thing is ludicrous. And and so now we're hearing, Okay,
well you might have to wait for Bilichick what he's
gonna be. We're gonna be pushing eighty now.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And then read maybe and you read, well, what Dick
just said is perfect. This is lip service.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean, I'm sorry, I like Mike a lot. I
think all of us really like Mike a lot. But uh,
to me, I'm sorry, I'm not buying any of it.
It's it's all all of it, this new math stuff.
Sell that to somebody else because they're telling me real
But nobody mentioned that at all until the weekend until
Thursday night. Going into Thursday night, nobody was sitting around.
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You know why we were sitting around nervous about.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
This because he hadn't heard anything.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Exactly, because nobody had knocked on his door, and we
knew that that nobody had knocked on his door.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Well, you know why we were nervous. So this idea
that well, you can only vote for three.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So you're telling me that at least eleven people on
the fifty person committee either a did not vote for
anybody besides Stirting Sharp, or B voted for two of
these other three idiots.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I'm not buying this huge.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
I'm gonna give you five names real quick. I mentioned
home Grin on the aggregate of all those and that's
just out of Pro Football Reference. I didn't cherry pick that.
Those are all of the stats out of Pro Football Reference.
I'm gonna give you a five. Remember now, I said
home Grin is the aggregate seventh best.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You got.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Bill Coward ninth ranked ninth, Marvel Levy fifteenth, Tony Doungee twelfth,
Dick Vermeal twenty first, and Don Coriell twenty fourth. Yeah,
like Mike Homgrin is dunking on these guys who are.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
In the Hall of Fame, right, yeah, you're right, all right,
Well I'm gonna I'm gonna pop a blood vessel, so
I'm gonna let this go for now.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
The fact you've lasted this long today is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, I took Friday off and I blew up on
social media, so you know whatever? All right here, great stuff, man,
we'll talk on Friday. Bud, appreciate this spal. We got
more on this coming up, More on the Geno conversation,
more on the Super Bowl conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Saren Petro, what kind of mood do you think he's in.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He'll join us at five tonight from Kansas City, and
then Ria Hughes from WIP at five point five on
ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Live from the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio.
Now back to Softie and Dick done your Home for
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
All right, big day here on kJ R Safie, Dick Jackson,
Jackson's out.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Where is Jackson? By the way, is he in ranks?
Momb does?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, he's evidently he put on social media that he's
gonna do like a scavenger hunt for me. He's gonna
leave something in the underneath the garbage can that I
gotta go find on I did that for your.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Kids that you did, Mams.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You left a uh little tiki statue and the kids
who did a little scavenger hunt Mama's fish.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
House and found it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Are they still young enough to appreciate a good scavenger Yes?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Absolutely, Yeah, Dixon's gonna go with me on the scavenger
I only have only have Dixon on this trip.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because what else is inviting? A good scavenger hunt for
guys like us? Seems like a bad idea, man. I mean,
you tell a bunch of fifty year old knuckleheads, hey,
going a scavenger hunt for a case of beer, and
somebody's gonna die, right, Yeah, No, it's it's no because
I thought about that a lot on this radio station.
We should do a scavenger hunt like over Seattle for
like a big prize or something. But I mean, people
end up getting you a car accident, somebody gets killed,
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it's our fault.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think once you're you know what, you're well into
high school, I think the scavenger hunt days are over.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Why did you put that bottle of maccount on? I five?
What the hell are you doing that for?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
For trying out loud? So anyway, we're back here at
the Emerald, Queen. We'll get to the homegrown conversation coming
up the five o'clock hour. Because Mike Sando was on
with the End today, there's some audio for me in
show that'd we want to play to kind of supplement
that conversation. I will just say real quick, I was
heartbroken for Mike on Thursday night. I was not surprised
what happened, but sad as hell for him. I think
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Mike was really, really, really really getting his hopes up
that this was going to be the year that he
would make it, and to have it not happen. I
didn't get to hear it, but I heard he was
pretty emotional with Chuck and Buck and Ashley on Friday morning.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And I don't blame the guy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, you know what, any excuse for not putting
Mike on the Hall of Fame, whether it's math related,
whether it's Bill Belichick and he read this or that,
I'm just telling you right now, I don't want to
hear it. All right, Save it for somebody else, because
I'm not buying any of it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So we'll talk about that in the five o'clock hour. Now,
the new Guy. Did you hear the new Guy?
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I did. I heard a lot of the new You know,
we got a new guy. Check him out.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Mark James, who was here at the casino with us yesterday,
came down and this big, tall, lanky looking guy comes
up to me and starts like harassing me over my
thoughts on the game and Husky basketball, and he's like, oh,
by the way, and the new tend to one guy
like what the hell, just shut up and take a seat.
For god's sakes, I'm trying to order a drink and
watch the game. But it was good to see him.
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I thought he sounded great on the air today, but
automatically endearing himself to all the Geno Smith supporters out there,
which there's a lot of them, by the way, where
this comment on his show today that Geno Smith is
what in the north Strom rack of quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Are there a lot of Geno supporters or are they
just a vocal minord.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I think there's a decent amount.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I think there's a decent amount of Seahawk fans
out there that support Geno Smith and want him back.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I mean, you know, Corpin Smith is leading the charge.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know that he's captain that he is, he is
the absolute admiral. Are you kidding of that entire thing?
So he said today, and and the minute I heard it,
I said, you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm gonna be a total jerk here. You get to
tweet it out. I'm gonna put it on Twitter. Yeah,
all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat this.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
They're the dude the bat to the be drive, that's
you just gonna whack.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm gonna throw gas on the fire. And I said, uh,
the new guy.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Mark James says, Gino Smith is a Norse Strom Rack quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Gino lovers, go get him, at least the Hounds guy.
It inspired me to do the Department Store quarterback ranking. Okay,
and because I wanted to see whether or not I
felt Gino Smith was actually an Orders from Rack quarterback.
So we got the Gucci teer, yes, right, and that's
Mahomes and Allen and Lamar and Burrow.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
That's the Gucci teer.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
What about Herods, Well, Harrods would be the Gucci and
that would be the Goodier so we don't have them
here right in London there, right, yeah, no Herod's Gucci
or that. Then you got the Sacks Bloomingdale's. So you
got like Stafford Herbert, I think Hurts is probably they
graduated in Bloomingdale's category. R Jade Daniels, c J. Stroud
(25:08):
maybe arguably maybe you stop with Daniels.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Then you got the Nordstrom category, which is Stroud, Love Golf, Baker.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Dak Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Then you're looking at Donald, brock Purty, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
They might be down at the north yes, yes, oh yes,
you have to separate belong and then.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
The next category, Yes, the next category is like brock Purty,
you know, Sam Donald, Geno Smith, Like that's the north
and now below that you got Macy's, Marshalls and Walmart.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Still so there's a lot of other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That category walmartt Ross category, R marsh category. And which
which North stream are we talking about? Like the downtown
flagship with homeless people peeing on the wall or the
Belvy Square north Strom, like which one we're talking about here?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well, see, if you're talking about the year two thousand
and five. Yes, yeah, then the flagship store Dutch. Are
you're talking twenty twenty five, you're definitely talking Belvy Square.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, I don't think it's an insult to call in
the north Strom Rack no quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
It's right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
There's a lot of teams in the NFL that would
love to have a North from Rac quarterback. And if
you're buying corduroy jeans with patches on the knees at Kmart,
you'd love to go to north Strom resolutely, right. If
you're if you're buying you know, you know, under armour
sweats that are ten years old but never been used
at the Mervins and Lynnwood, you'd love to go to
north Strom Rack. There's a lot of teams that would
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love to have a North from Rac quarterback. And that's
what drives me. That's about this conversation is that people
that say that Geno Smith is a mid tier quarterback,
it's like some kind of insult, right when half the
league would love to have what the Seahawks have in Genos.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I just think we have him.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
We should aspire to do better. Can we do better?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I think this idea that like Corbin Smith and others
have thrown out there where there's no way you can
do better.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, stop it, number.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
One, Okay, stop it, because two years ago, nobody had
any idea what Jalen Hurts was all about. Brock Perty
was the last pick of the draft, blah blah blah.
Russellis was a seventy fifth pick, and who would have
seen Jane Daniels doing this? And you're number one, right,
Nobody saw this coming.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So stop it with this. We we can read the future.
We all know what's out there and we know what
it looks like. No, you don't. You don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So I think you continue to aspire to turn over
every rock and find a better answer than Gino Smith
keeping him here in the short term.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I have no problem with but this idea, and I
disagree with McDonald.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't disagree that he should say that, because I
think you should support this guy as long as he's here.
But the idea that you have your answer at quarterback
and you don't need to worry about the position is.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Ludicrous, absolutely, And I liked you know, but it's still ludicrous. Well,
and I don't think nor zom Rac is an insult
at all. I mean, he's fine Adidas, I have on
just got him an Rdson rack. I gotta I got
a pair. I got a pair of cole Hans that
I swear and then I swear I saw it nors
From for like three hundred bucks a year ago. I
picked them up for a hundred bucks at Northson Rack. So,
but the question is, are a discount seq a kidding?
(28:15):
Absolutely a discount seeker. But the thing about Nordson Rack
is you can get really nice stuff if you look,
and that's like Gino six seven games a year, you
get really you get nords.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
From quality out of Gino about six or seven games
a year.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But it's the four or five games a year that
you get Mervyn's quality out of Geno Smith that makes
him a nord from Rack quarterback.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And there's crap at north from Rack as well.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
The question is are you going to have to pay
Gino Nordstrom price or do you can you pay him
Nordstrom rack price Because you're getting Nordstrom rack, you know,
nor from Rat production out of him, you.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Gotta pay him the equivalent price that comes along with.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, I think the problem too with the Seahawks is
that they have a garage cell offensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That's the issue.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They got a Norstrom Rack quarterback and they have a
garage sale offensive line. And until that changes, I mean,
it's like going out and buying all that stuff you
talked about and then walking out of their barefoot for
crying out loud. I mean, the outfit is not complete
with these guys, Okay, And you know what, this debate
going on, this conversation going on, and never now and
then you can kind of see both sides of the coin.
And I see it a little bit with Gino, but
(29:21):
for the most part, all of us should agree on
the offensive line. I mean, this should not be a
debate about the offensive line. Good God, what do your
eyes tell you? What does your face freaking tell you
when you watch these guys.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I don't think anybody thinks that Gino's turning into Joe
Burrows if they all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Have the ego. I think there are some people that
do think that, and they're nuts there, They're nuts.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Rae, We're gonna bring textimonials four nine four five one
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Siren Petro's gonna join us from Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
What's it like to be hammered in a Super Bowl?
He knows twice. Now we don't know that. Few we don't.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
We have never been hammered.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You know something we know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
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Speaker 5 (01:01):
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mill And joining us right now post Super Bowl edition.
And Hugh, I don't care where you live, Seattle, Miami, Dallas, Omaha,
(01:25):
no matter where you live. That was an absolute third
of a football game, unless you're a Philadelphia Eagle fan
as you enjoy Super Sunday.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
My friend, not really, No, I thought it was. You know,
I don't know how anybody could have expected. We've seen
a lot of matchups through the years, particularly like back
in the eighties. You know where you say, Okay, the
better team, the better roster beats the team that has
the better quarterback. But I thought we'd kind of got
(01:53):
away from those kind of blowouts, But indeed it was
a stinker. But credit the Eagles. They have had two
first year coordinators, one on each side of the ball,
and in a game where I thought Spagnola and Andy
Reid were the talk and justifiably so. I think those
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coaches on each side of the ball for Philadelphia, they
were just the better prepared team and certainly the more
talented roster.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, yeah, it was a flashback for me, Hugh to
like when I was ten, eleven, twelve thirty, and fourteen
years old.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Like every one of those Super Bowls was crappy.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But the first thing I got to ask you about,
and I thought about you watching the beginning of that game,
when Mahomes was just getting swarmed under, tell me about
the lack of a quick game and why we didn't
see more of.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The quick game.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, there was efforts to get the ball on the
quick game. Hell, the first two plays of the game
were designed runs, and post snap Mahomes decides to throw
the quick game. I got a completion kind of on
a little scene route at the on play number one,
and then he threw a swing route a bubble out
(03:04):
out to the left and Cooper dejene and made a
great tackle in space.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But you know they were.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
They were trying to get to this and then coming
out of the goal line, uh back backed up everything
that they were trying. Was this the quick game? But
a couple of things. First of all, Kelsey looked sluggish
on his little whip routes. It just kind of looks
like an old man. Yeah, hey, Hugh, hey.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Hugh, let me remember quick because Booger McFarlane said yesterday
it was the worst game he's ever seen Kelsey play.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what what Burger said,
you know how he elaborated on it, but he you know,
he dropped the pass early on on his back hip.
That's a pass. He's got a catch, took a smack
for it. That was in a four under four deep,
so there's a drop eight coverage and there was a
window in there and it was a little behind, but
he's got to make that play. And then he was sluggish.
(03:55):
As I said, the times where he's running the control
or else, they're not sending him down the field. They're
not sending him much more than five or six yards
down the field. And and that's fine, you know, because
he doesn't have the speed, but he also doesn't have
the quickness to separate from those inside defenders and he
kind of telegraphs where he's going. That was a factor.
(04:16):
You saw the Eagles. They were really trying to nail
down from the top down. When they're playing their Fangio
what's called quarters coverage. A lot of time those corners
will say, Okay, I've got uh, the widest receiver in
the formation from the line of scrimmage to the back
of the end zone. He's all mine up the up
the sideline, and so a lot of times those guys
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are reluctant to really trigger down on the quick game
on those hitches. But that's how they were playing. They
you know, they got quin Quinnon Mitchell and and uh,
you know he was he was you know, he was
kind of almost pitching a tent right and and not
giving depth. And then you also saw times where okay,
(04:58):
they would they would roll coverage to the boundary and
bat Mahomes he's on the left hash he wants to
get the quick game on the left side. But it's
like Fangio's in the huddle. He says, Hey, they're gonna
try and do the quick game to the boundary side.
Let's leave the field side free access, and let's close
the boundary. And so I just felt like watching that tape,
(05:20):
I felt like it was two weeks to prepare for
the Super Bowl. I felt like the Eagles had two months, right,
and the Chiefs had two days.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, how much credit?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Because you mentioned the coaches, and I don't know, maybe
we'll get to a point one day where the MVP
can be given to a coach, right, I mean, maybe
there should be an award coming out of that game
that just goes to a coach. You know, why not,
you know, honor one of the coaches on the winning side,
And if you did it, you'll probably give it to Fangio.
But how much credit are you in the mood to
give Nick Siriani for what he's done in Philadelphia? I mean,
(05:53):
I'll just tell you he's fifty seven and twenty six
overall in four years, with two conference championships and now
a title. How much credit should we be giving Nick Sirianni?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Well, for me, I give him a ton of credit.
I look and say, hey, they lost six of the
last seven games last year then lost the playoff game.
He came in a little bit in battle. Maybe there
was a feeling that they had a better roster and
they were under underachieving. They were two and two at
the start of this year. You go into a buy
and you say, Wow, this guy's on shaky ground for
his job. And then what they want. I don't know
(06:27):
what was eleven to last twelve or sixteen last seven?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I don't know. Maybe Dick do the math for me. Well,
I know it was a lot too a little to
just one loss, but but yeah, I would I would
be curious to know how how central he was in
the decision to bring in Fangio and to bring in
Kellen Moore, because if he was the guy that was
(06:51):
pulling that trigger those triggers, I should say plurality there,
I would be even more impressed. But you know, he
got everybody to play for themselves and and play for
each other. And they had a little bit of a
blip when aj Brown was barking about not getting the
(07:11):
ball too much. Well, that's a style question they had.
But somehow they weathered that storm. And then you just
throw on the tape and look how doggone prepared they
were in this game yesterday. As I said, I just
I could not have envisioned the degree to which the
Eagles would out coach the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yeah, no, couldn't.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
They're sixteen and one in the last seventeen, so it's
pretty impressive. You was Mahomes seeing ghosts yesterday and kind
of running into trouble or was he truly swarmed under?
And how close are those like scrambled tendencies scouting scouted.
It's not something we commonly hear about, but it looked
like the Eagles front four knew where Mahomes was going
to slide before he ever slid.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Well, I think they had a game plan. They never
rushed five or more at any play they had by
my count. Now, I didn't watch all of the end
of the fourth quarter in the sense that I was
tabulating this, but when it mattered, they had twice where
they had only a three man rush, and one of
those featured a simulated pressure with a middle linebacker coming.
(08:17):
But they're dropping into an eight man zone, so it
was primarily a four man rush, and they said, okay,
let's have the ends bull rush. There's a couple of
ways you can try and win the defensive end. They
can try and run the hoop. And if you've got
a defensive end who can do that and then literally
do a speed rush, get up out of his stance
(08:39):
and beat with speed around the edge. Hey, that's great.
Guys like Dwight Freeney have specialized. Hey start up the
field and then spin move into the b gap. The
Eagles were doing neither of those. They just said, look,
we're gonna we are gonna squeeze the pocket on bull rushes.
Always bull rushes. So and don't get higher than mah
(09:00):
homes because then he'll dip in and out of the pocket.
And so the length of the arm length where he
had Joe Toney, the left guard who had slid out.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I looked it up.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
He some over three inches shorter arm length. It looked
like thirteen inches when you saw him. They're losing those battles.
And so the arm length of the defensive ends and
the speed. But again they converted speed to power and
they did bull rush and then the defensive tackles. They
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also said, hey, don't try and swim and go win
on your own. You got to stay center cut on
your offensive lineman be in a position to respond either way.
Into Mahomes. So it was a team They got him
to buy into the team pass rush element where they
squeezed And yeah, Dick, to answer your question, I thought
he did get a little spook there. I thought he
(09:56):
prematurely got out of the passing position, so when those
tackles were closing in on him fast, he wanted to
step up.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And in the manner.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I described, they just had too much athleticism at the
defensive tackle position, and they were quickie and edgy enough,
and because they were two gapping on their pass rush,
they were able to fall left or right, inside or
outside to get Mahomes. So it was definitely a concerted effort,
a team effort with the four man rush.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Well, Hugh Millin's with us a little more at four.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I gotta tell you, guys, there really is no
controversy from this game to even talk about. I mean,
the first driver of the game, AJ Brown gets the
offensive pass interference call, which I thought was a terrible call.
I mean, I think was at Pereira was doing the
Fox stuff. He thought it was kind of a no call.
Just let it go. I mean, you know, we tend
to forget they were at the chief eighteen yard line
the very first drive. I feel like the Eagles could
have put up fifty on these guys if they wanted
(10:48):
to in the game yesterday. But outside of that, it
was such a you know, slobber knocker, just ass kicking
by Philadelphia that there wasn't any cotch.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
There was a PI that called against Kansas City late, yeah,
in that first quarter.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, they were both in the next drive.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I mean yeah, I mean it's really kind of nothing though.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, just you know, for it to be real controversial,
they got to be kind of late in the game
at least, you know, it was even second was in
the second quarter. So I mean, did you think that
was the right call on aj Brown to start that
first drive there?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
No, yeah, no, I think that now he did graze
the face mask, but I think, uh, the operative word
there is Gray's.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I thought it was incidental enough. But you know, they
came back and and they made up for it. On
a poor read by Jalen Hurts, real simple mirrored concept
what's called a smash concept, corner routes by boat on
both sides from the slot, and then these little uh
what's called thin routes five yard end routes, uh slash
slant routes coming in and McDuffie was out there in
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the corner and it was just wide open. Hey, throw
it to a J. Brown right in front of He's
wide open and Hurts misread it. He tried to throw
the sail route the tight end was was trying to
throw down in the hole as he should have been.
And McDuffie, you know, one of the best DB's in
the NFL, was what the term is sinking. He was
getting depth and squeezing in on that that sailor out.
(12:12):
I mean, if I was an official, I would have
never bailed out Hurts in that regard. But I think
it was a little bit of a makeup that next series.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
No question about it.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
What was Mahome seeing on the rollout to the right
throw back to the left pick? I mean that just
I mean, I didn't even see anybody in the area.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Well, it's a four deep three under zone, and Cooper
dejene is the flat defender in that, meaning to the
sideline and shallow. He's got deep help behind him. As
you know. Here from a chief perspective, they're saying, hey,
we got to get Patrick out of the pocket. We're
just you know, we can't block inside the pocket. So
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this was I believe a third. Was it about third
and fifteen? It was it was third and long right,
And so now they they block with the tight end
on the edge, and now he's they have a flood
set deep, intermediate, and shallow towards the sideline.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Dick.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Okay, so now those are Mahomes' reads. But he doesn't
want to throw the shall the shallow because you're not
going to get the first down on third and fifteen.
So he goes to his fourth read in the progression,
which is a backside intermediate crossing route. And Dejene a
former quarterback in high school. You know, all world basketball player,
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one hundred meters sprint champion, long jump champion, the best
all around athlete I've ever scouted in twenty six years
of the draft, like, I've never seen a guy. I've
seen a lot of great duel or maybe three sport guys,
but it's usually a dual sport. But there's a lot
of guys I say, hey, this guy averaged twenty two
points and eight rebounds in heights that I see that
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a lot. I don't see three more sports and so
this guy had fifty nine touchdowns his senior year alone,
like twenty four rush and so he just has an
incredible football IQ. He read the situation, he knew the
concept as a former quarterback, and and he just said, hey,
I got I got a feeling, I'm gonna fall back
into the middle field. He read Mahomes's eyes, and he
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just played it coyly. I mean, played like a twelve
year veteran. But it's because I think of his his
all around athletic background just you know, just led him
to the play and then once he caught it, of
course he made a great play to get in the enze.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I would have given him the MVP of the game
if I were voting. And when I get Jalen Hurt's fine, great, whatever,
But that defense is the story. And I think de
Jean's picked six it reminded me almost of the exact
same scenario Robrok good Smith had to pick six in
twenty thirteen, almost the same time. It was twenty two
zip versus seventeen zips. So I think as the you know,
to kind of represent the defense, I would have given
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Cooper dejen the MVP. But hey, here before you go,
Josh Swett, Josh, Josh Sweat too, you have two and
a half sacks exactly before you.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Go and and bumping Tooney into Mahomes. That's my home
second in. I mean he was materially involved in that play.
Mike Holmgren got dropped again Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I was stune debut and I talked to him. I mean,
we must have had double digit conversations off air about this,
and I just felt like this was the year and
I don't have an answer for you. I really don't.
I mean, I have the spreadsheet.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I wasn't.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I could have pulled it up here. But if you
imagine him as as an NFL Hall of Famer, oh,
I do have it.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
So if you imagine home Grewn as the twenty fifth
Hall of Fame coach, okay, And now put him in
and say, well, how does he rank out of twenty five?
This is how he be in years. So obviously the
lower number, the closer to one, that'd be first place.
So we want to hear low numbers, not high. He'd
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be tenth in years, he'd be eighth in games, eighth
and wins, fourteenth and win loss percentage, twelfth in games
over five five hundred. Again, this is out of twenty
five Hall of Fame coaches. If he right fourth in
years in the playoff, third in games in the playoff,
fifth in playoff wins, eighteenth in win lost percentage in
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the playoffs. Average rank in the division third, championship seventeenth,
Super Bowls ranked tenth, Conference championships ranked sixth. The aggregate
of those is seventh. If you take all of those
and let's say they're all equal. I'm not saying they are,
but if they were all equal, he ranked seventh out
of twenty fifth. Like, we're not sitting there calling out
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numbers like twenty third, twenty four, twenty fifth, twenty second,
twenty third.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We're not doing that.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
He's an aggregat of the seventh highest ranked coach. So
to me, listen, if you took a three fifty seven
magnum and put it right between my eyebrows and said,
give me an argument for why Mike Holmgren is not
a Hall of Famer. I look at it, put my
palms in the air. I say, I guess you're gonna
have to pull the trigger. I can't think of one. Yeah, well,
on that one.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
What did Sando say today that he'll get in. It's
just relaxed, He'll be fine, I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Sando, Sando talked today about it was it was the
process and not about what the Hall feels about Mike Hongrid.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He said, he is.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
He left the meeting with the committee prior to the
vote convinced that Mike was going to get in. But
then in parsing out the numbers and these new voting
rules and having a player competing with the coach, and
he said players are always going to get favoritism over
the coach. He said, that's when he started to get worried.
Not because the Hall doesn't think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Well, if you're Gritch and Holmgren, how does that sound
to you? Of coll So like you know, I mean,
it's like what I mean, you know, a at worst point,
you know, he's seventy six years old. I would just
like him to be able to have great years with
his grandkids and his kids where he is not a
you know, wanna be or or will be or potentially
(18:00):
Hall of Famer. He deserves to doug on Bee in
there now. And you know right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so
with Bill Walsh guys in a in a book Bill Walsh,
I hope I can pull that one up. He said,
Mike Holmgren in this book, Mike Holmgan is the greatest
(18:20):
offensive mind I have ever known.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
That's right there, a quote right right in a book
by Bill Walsh.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Bill Walsh is on Mount Rushmore of the history of
the NFL in any capacity, Like, if there's only four
guys based on their impact in the Hall of Fame,
Bill Walsh would be one of them. Yeah, and and
and that's what he says about Mike Holmgren. The whole
thing is ludicrous. And and so now we're hearing, Okay,
well you might have to wait for Bilichick what he's
gonna be. We're gonna be pushing eighty now.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And then read maybe and you read, well, what Dick
just said is perfect. This is lip service.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean, I'm sorry, I like Mike a lot. I
think all of us really like Mike a lot. But uh,
to me, I'm sorry, I'm not buying any of it.
It's it's all all of it, this new math stuff.
Sell that to somebody else because they're telling me real
But nobody mentioned that at all until the weekend until
Thursday night. Going into Thursday night, nobody was sitting around.
(19:15):
You know why we were sitting around nervous about.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
This because he hadn't heard anything.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Exactly, because nobody had knocked on his door, and we
knew that that nobody had knocked on his door.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Well, you know why we were nervous. So this idea
that well, you can only vote for three.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So you're telling me that at least eleven people on
the fifty person committee either a did not vote for
anybody besides Stirting Sharp, or B voted for two of
these other three idiots.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I'm not buying this huge.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
I'm gonna give you five names real quick. I mentioned
home Grin on the aggregate of all those and that's
just out of Pro Football Reference. I didn't cherry pick that.
Those are all of the stats out of Pro Football Reference.
I'm gonna give you a five. Remember now, I said
home Grin is the aggregate seventh best.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You got.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Bill Coward ninth ranked ninth, Marvel Levy fifteenth, Tony Doungee twelfth,
Dick Vermeal twenty first, and Don Coriell twenty fourth. Yeah,
like Mike Homgrin is dunking on these guys who are.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
In the Hall of Fame, right, yeah, you're right, all right,
Well I'm gonna I'm gonna pop a blood vessel, so
I'm gonna let this go for now.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
The fact you've lasted this long today is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, I took Friday off and I blew up on
social media, so you know whatever? All right here, great stuff, man,
we'll talk on Friday. Bud, appreciate this spal. We got
more on this coming up, More on the Geno conversation,
more on the Super Bowl conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Saren Petro, what kind of mood do you think he's in.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He'll join us at five tonight from Kansas City, and
then Ria Hughes from WIP at five point five on
ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Live from the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio.
Now back to Softie and Dick done your Home for
the Huskies and the crack in Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJR FM.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
All right, big day here on kJ R Safie, Dick Jackson,
Jackson's out.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Where is Jackson? By the way, is he in ranks?
Momb does?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, he's evidently he put on social media that he's
gonna do like a scavenger hunt for me. He's gonna
leave something in the underneath the garbage can that I
gotta go find on I did that for your.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Kids that you did, Mams.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You left a uh little tiki statue and the kids
who did a little scavenger hunt Mama's fish.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
House and found it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Are they still young enough to appreciate a good scavenger Yes?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Absolutely, Yeah, Dixon's gonna go with me on the scavenger
I only have only have Dixon on this trip.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because what else is inviting? A good scavenger hunt for
guys like us? Seems like a bad idea, man. I mean,
you tell a bunch of fifty year old knuckleheads, hey,
going a scavenger hunt for a case of beer, and
somebody's gonna die, right, Yeah, No, it's it's no because
I thought about that a lot on this radio station.
We should do a scavenger hunt like over Seattle for
like a big prize or something. But I mean, people
end up getting you a car accident, somebody gets killed,
(21:57):
it's our fault.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think once you're you know what, you're well into
high school, I think the scavenger hunt days are over.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Why did you put that bottle of maccount on? I five?
What the hell are you doing that for?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
For trying out loud? So anyway, we're back here at
the Emerald, Queen. We'll get to the homegrown conversation coming
up the five o'clock hour. Because Mike Sando was on
with the End today, there's some audio for me in
show that'd we want to play to kind of supplement
that conversation. I will just say real quick, I was
heartbroken for Mike on Thursday night. I was not surprised
what happened, but sad as hell for him. I think
(22:32):
Mike was really, really, really really getting his hopes up
that this was going to be the year that he
would make it, and to have it not happen. I
didn't get to hear it, but I heard he was
pretty emotional with Chuck and Buck and Ashley on Friday morning.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And I don't blame the guy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, you know what, any excuse for not putting
Mike on the Hall of Fame, whether it's math related,
whether it's Bill Belichick and he read this or that,
I'm just telling you right now, I don't want to
hear it. All right, Save it for somebody else, because
I'm not buying any of it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So we'll talk about that in the five o'clock hour. Now,
the new Guy. Did you hear the new Guy?
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I did. I heard a lot of the new You know,
we got a new guy. Check him out.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Mark James, who was here at the casino with us yesterday,
came down and this big, tall, lanky looking guy comes
up to me and starts like harassing me over my
thoughts on the game and Husky basketball, and he's like, oh,
by the way, and the new tend to one guy
like what the hell, just shut up and take a seat.
For god's sakes, I'm trying to order a drink and
watch the game. But it was good to see him.
(23:27):
I thought he sounded great on the air today, but
automatically endearing himself to all the Geno Smith supporters out there,
which there's a lot of them, by the way, where
this comment on his show today that Geno Smith is
what in the north Strom rack of quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Are there a lot of Geno supporters or are they
just a vocal minord.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I think there's a decent amount.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I think there's a decent amount of Seahawk fans
out there that support Geno Smith and want him back.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I mean, you know, Corpin Smith is leading the charge.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know that he's captain that he is, he is
the absolute admiral. Are you kidding of that entire thing?
So he said today, and and the minute I heard it,
I said, you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm gonna be a total jerk here. You get to
tweet it out. I'm gonna put it on Twitter. Yeah,
all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat this.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
They're the dude the bat to the be drive, that's
you just gonna whack.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm gonna throw gas on the fire. And I said, uh,
the new guy.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Mark James says, Gino Smith is a Norse Strom Rack quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Gino lovers, go get him, at least the Hounds guy.
It inspired me to do the Department Store quarterback ranking. Okay,
and because I wanted to see whether or not I
felt Gino Smith was actually an Orders from Rack quarterback.
So we got the Gucci teer, yes, right, and that's
Mahomes and Allen and Lamar and Burrow.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
That's the Gucci teer.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
What about Herods, Well, Harrods would be the Gucci and
that would be the Goodier so we don't have them
here right in London there, right, yeah, no Herod's Gucci
or that. Then you got the Sacks Bloomingdale's. So you
got like Stafford Herbert, I think Hurts is probably they
graduated in Bloomingdale's category. R Jade Daniels, c J. Stroud
(25:08):
maybe arguably maybe you stop with Daniels.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Then you got the Nordstrom category, which is Stroud, Love Golf, Baker.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Dak Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Then you're looking at Donald, brock Purty, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
They might be down at the north yes, yes, oh yes,
you have to separate belong and then.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
The next category, Yes, the next category is like brock Purty,
you know, Sam Donald, Geno Smith, Like that's the north
and now below that you got Macy's, Marshalls and Walmart.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Still so there's a lot of other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That category walmartt Ross category, R marsh category. And which
which North stream are we talking about? Like the downtown
flagship with homeless people peeing on the wall or the
Belvy Square north Strom, like which one we're talking about here?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well, see, if you're talking about the year two thousand
and five. Yes, yeah, then the flagship store Dutch. Are
you're talking twenty twenty five, you're definitely talking Belvy Square.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, I don't think it's an insult to call in
the north Strom Rack no quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
It's right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
There's a lot of teams in the NFL that would
love to have a North from Rac quarterback. And if
you're buying corduroy jeans with patches on the knees at Kmart,
you'd love to go to north Strom resolutely, right. If
you're if you're buying you know, you know, under armour
sweats that are ten years old but never been used
at the Mervins and Lynnwood, you'd love to go to
north Strom Rack. There's a lot of teams that would
(26:40):
love to have a North from Rac quarterback. And that's
what drives me. That's about this conversation is that people
that say that Geno Smith is a mid tier quarterback,
it's like some kind of insult, right when half the
league would love to have what the Seahawks have in Genos.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I just think we have him.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
We should aspire to do better. Can we do better?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I think this idea that like Corbin Smith and others
have thrown out there where there's no way you can
do better.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, stop it, number.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
One, Okay, stop it, because two years ago, nobody had
any idea what Jalen Hurts was all about. Brock Perty
was the last pick of the draft, blah blah blah.
Russellis was a seventy fifth pick, and who would have
seen Jane Daniels doing this? And you're number one, right,
Nobody saw this coming.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So stop it with this. We we can read the future.
We all know what's out there and we know what
it looks like. No, you don't. You don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So I think you continue to aspire to turn over
every rock and find a better answer than Gino Smith
keeping him here in the short term.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I have no problem with but this idea, and I
disagree with McDonald.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't disagree that he should say that, because I
think you should support this guy as long as he's here.
But the idea that you have your answer at quarterback
and you don't need to worry about the position is.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Ludicrous, absolutely, And I liked you know, but it's still ludicrous. Well,
and I don't think nor zom Rac is an insult
at all. I mean, he's fine Adidas, I have on
just got him an Rdson rack. I gotta I got
a pair. I got a pair of cole Hans that
I swear and then I swear I saw it nors
From for like three hundred bucks a year ago. I
picked them up for a hundred bucks at Northson Rack. So,
but the question is, are a discount seq a kidding?
(28:15):
Absolutely a discount seeker. But the thing about Nordson Rack
is you can get really nice stuff if you look,
and that's like Gino six seven games a year, you
get really you get nords.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
From quality out of Gino about six or seven games
a year.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But it's the four or five games a year that
you get Mervyn's quality out of Geno Smith that makes
him a nord from Rack quarterback.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And there's crap at north from Rack as well.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
The question is are you going to have to pay
Gino Nordstrom price or do you can you pay him
Nordstrom rack price Because you're getting Nordstrom rack, you know,
nor from Rat production out of him, you.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Gotta pay him the equivalent price that comes along with.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, I think the problem too with the Seahawks is
that they have a garage cell offensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That's the issue.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They got a Norstrom Rack quarterback and they have a
garage sale offensive line. And until that changes, I mean,
it's like going out and buying all that stuff you
talked about and then walking out of their barefoot for
crying out loud. I mean, the outfit is not complete
with these guys, Okay, And you know what, this debate
going on, this conversation going on, and never now and
then you can kind of see both sides of the coin.
And I see it a little bit with Gino, but
(29:21):
for the most part, all of us should agree on
the offensive line. I mean, this should not be a
debate about the offensive line. Good God, what do your
eyes tell you? What does your face freaking tell you
when you watch these guys.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I don't think anybody thinks that Gino's turning into Joe
Burrows if they all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Have the ego. I think there are some people that
do think that, and they're nuts there, They're nuts.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Rae, We're gonna bring textimonials four nine four five one
on the telemar Dude text line coming next, and then
Siren Petro's gonna join us from Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
What's it like to be hammered in a Super Bowl?
He knows twice. Now we don't know that. Few we don't.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
We have never been hammered.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You know something we know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We'll talk to Siren next on ninety or at five
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