February 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Soren Petro joins the show to talk about how the Chiefs got blown out, how surprised he is, and much more. We hear from Mike Sando who was on with Ian today to explain how Mike Holmgren was left out of the Hall of Fame. Softy and Dick recap how they feel about Mike Holmgren being left out of the pro football Hall of Fame.
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How about that?
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One hundred and twenty six milligate viewers per Fox means
it's the most watched game ever between the Chiefs and
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That is incredible. Imagine if it was a good game.
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Tiger Woods pulled out of this week's Genesis Invitational, which
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He still says he plans on attending the event.
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And the Krakend after the first half of the year.
Get a three two win yesterday against the Flames, now
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twelve days off until they take on Florida on the
twenty second of February. Or let's head over to Kansas City, Missouri,
where I can guarantee the last thing this guy wants
to hear from today is us after the Chiefs got
annihilated yesterday. But he's also kind of an even keeled guy,
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you know, whatever kind of goes to the flow. Our
buddy's sarn Petro from WHB in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How are you, man, I'm well, gentlemen, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
How surprised? Darya?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We're sitting here talking about the Chiefs getting annihilated bright
Philadelphia yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, that I listen. I don't think it's that's
something that they lost. I think the Eagles, I think
we might have talked about it that. I think if
the names weren't read in mahomes, that the Eagles would
have been two and a half point favorites in this game,
but the way it went, you know, having I think
it was twenty three yards of offense in the first half,
only having one first down, which happened on the first
play of the game, until the last minute or two
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of the first half. I don't think anybody saw that coming.
It was ugly. It was a complete and utter domination.
And you know, it's one of about three or four
different games where we've seen in his entire career, Patrick
Mahomes looked like he was just the funneled, lost, rattled
and have a bad day and you're not going to
beat a team like the filled up Eagles when your
quarterback plays like that.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Who are Chiefs fans mad at today?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean everybody. You know, the wackados have always got
somebody they want to, you know, freak out about. But
I mean, I think overall there is they've had to
become capologists and understand and watch players leave, and you know,
they haven't been able to solve the left tackle spots.
So there's some red beach frustration there that you know
is really since Eric Fisher got hurt, you know, back
in the run to the twenty twenty Super Bowl that
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they haven't. It's just been a revolving door. They've They've
played in fives and had five different starting left tackles
in those five Super Bowls, and so I think there's
some frustration there. They want to solve that. And you know,
I mean, actually, like to me, the defense didn't play
poorly at all. They'd given up ten real points in
the first half. They had you know, taken Saquon Barkley
out of the game. They had done what they wanted
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to do. I think this is just the reality of Okay,
you've leaned on the defense now for two years. It
worked last year, but having a mediocre offense is a
problem in the modern NFL, and it cost them because
it eventually wore down what was a good effort out
of the defense in the first half.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, I'd like to have all those problems with three
titles and a loss in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
By the way, I mean, it's all talking about you know,
it's all context, man, You're talking about elite versus elite
all that stuff. But I guess the question is, now,
where do the Chiefs go from here? Is Kelsey going
to retire? Is the Mahomes cap thing going to be
a real problem. Will they be able to fix the line.
How confident are you that, as long as Reid and
Mahomes stay together, that we'll see these guys in this
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game very soon?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, I'm company you'll see him back. I don't know
by very soon, meaning next year, the year after, I
don't know. I think one of the things when you lose,
you're free to ask all relevant questions, and I don't
think they were really free of that. Look, Chris Jones
probably was a contract too far. They probably should have
walked on that contract when it was all said and done,
because they could have addressed a number of different spontsmen.
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I think that's what you saw from the Tyreek hilltrade.
Now you're able to get a bunch of draft picks,
five different draft picks, and three of them high picks
out of that deal. That helped a lot and going
and replenishing. But just the cap room that creates and
the ability to go out and try to address multiple
needs as opposed to one need. I think the Chiefs
WI always wanted to we make a mistake and coming
back with the thirty plus million for Chris Jones you
only had five sacks this year. He's thirty years old now,
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and are they buying on the downslope of his career?
And did they do it just because they wanted to
try to create history and win three straight championships? Noble
reason to do it. But does that now settle them
with a contract that they really can't handle because they
do need to address left tackle. They're gonna lose Nick Bolton,
their middle linebacker, justin Reid. They're starting safety, Tray Smith,
they're starting guard, Sofia, I know you talk about that
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all the time, that's the guy. You guys will come it.
I mean, you're not gonna have competition from the Chiefs.
I don't think that they'll be able to sign him.
Maybe Travis Kelcey steps away. You know, they they've got
a lot of you know, big players that they're gonna
have to replace. Everybody does every year. But if you
had another thirty million under the cap, it'd be a
lot easier to do those things.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, you've seen Tray Smith a lot more than we have.
Is he worth being made the highest paid Garden football?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
No? And no one is. And in fact, you know,
Joe Tooney is the best pass blocking guard in football,
and I don't know that he's I definitely don't think
he's worth a twenty seven million in cap room it's
gonna cost him now. Is he worth what he's been
on average over the years. And I think that's why
we'll see if they renegotiate Joe Toney's deal extended and
try to bring that number down. But Tray Smith is
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a is a great run blocker, he's a mall or,
he's a great guy, he's a great person in the community,
make all those things you love, but he is sometimes
limited in what he can do pass protection wise, and
so I think heading out on the market, I would
never recommend a team make their biggest expenditure guard. I
say that they spend a lot of money on Joe Touney,
and they won two championships with them and played in
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another AFC Championship game and lost another Super Bowl during
that time, during the four years that he's been in
Kansas City. So it's not that you can't win if
you do it. But I think they're the premium positions
of corner and left tackle and quarterback and number one
wide out. I think that's a better place to spend
your money and spend your resources if you can. The
Chiefs tried for Trent Williams, and when they couldn't get
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Trent Williams signed, that's when they pivoted and said, Okay,
Joe Toney, we're at least going to solve the guard
issue on that side, And then they managed to do
a really nice job of at least taping together left tackle.
But I think somebody's going to give Trace Smith a
lot of money, probably more than he deserves, and you
better be really efficient and the other signings you have,
because I don't know that any guard is worth that
kind of money. We saw the difference between guard and
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tackle watching Joe Touney try to play tackle. Best pass
blocking Guarden football was shoved right back into the face
of Patrick Mahomes that set up one of the interceptions
because he couldn't handle the bull rush from a two
hundred and sixty five pound defensive end. So no, I
would not spend that kind of money on any guard
in football.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Sir en Pitt, May you sound like John Schneider by
the way that way, I feel he agrees with you.
That's party why the Seahawks offensive line is no good.
But Saren Petro, WHB Kansas City, is Kelsey done?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You think?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, I just had this conversation with Trent Green
in our last hour and we were talking about it,
and the body language wasn't good. Of course, they were losing.
I don't want to read too much into it, but
I about you know, all Chiefs fans think, well, he
don't want to go out like that, so he's definitely
gonna come back. I kind of view it the other way.
I mean, I think a gully Kelsey who's played this
many seasons knows that the only way to right that
wrong if that's your mindset, is like, I don't want
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my final game to be like that. Well you got
to get all the way to the super Bowl to
do that. And Travis Kelsey knows what it takes to
go through those nineteen games in eight weeks of training
camp and everything else. And does he really want to
go through that grind to hopefully get the chance to
right that wrong. I don't know. He's got a lot
going on. I know he said during Super Bowl media
week that he would be back, but I think it's
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going to be a difficult question for him to answer.
And one that he'll wrestle with I think, you know,
they've said all the right things that he'll be back.
I'm not so sure. I think there's gonna probably be
some time he needs to take before he figures all
that out.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Well, this is the huge cap hit jump for Patrick Mahomes,
going from thirty seven million to sixty six million next year.
So do we see a restructure in the next couple months.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, I think you will, And I think that's something
they're going to do on a regular basis. They'll give
him more cash money up front to make it worth
us while. That's how they did it with Tom Brady.
You know, the word was always that Tom Brady was
taking less money than Peyton Manning. And at the end
of the day, when you look at their contracts and
you look at the actual cash dollars that went in
their pockets, it's pretty close. And that's really I mean,
Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes have talked a number of times,
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and I think that's kind of the path that Patrick
Mahomes is on. You renegotiate, you give him a bunch
of money. You know, they renegotiated a couple of years
ago and gave him a bunch of money upfront that
kept that number down. I still see people reporting his
original deal not knowing that more money's been moved forward,
and they guarantee has always got two years guaranteed. As
soon as the year's over, it guarantees, you know, another year,
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so you know when he gets to the new league year,
they'll guarantee twenty six for him. So he's always rolling
two years worth of guarantees. That's one of the big
misnomers that he only had eighty or ninety million guaranteed.
It's constantly guaranteeing two years out. So yeah, I think
they'll move it around. That'll help him create some cap room.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Question is the only reason that might not happen is,
like I said, when you lose, do you take evaluation
and say, okay, it might be a bit of a
lean year, but let's take the hit on a lot
of these contracts right now and a chance to put
ourselves in a lot better position for the next two
or three years. I can see him looking at that,
but that's not normally how they do it, So I
would expect them to go ahead and backload it, give
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him cash up front, bring that number down and try
to go help him out with left tackle and wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You think Kelsey would have proposed to take, say if
they won the game.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, you know that's a popular team, listen, do I know? No,
I have no idea, you know, really, but everything about them,
you know, he I always joke about this. You know,
he lives not that far from me, Like we we
go to the same gas station, but we might as
well be on other sides of the world. Compare when
you compare the neighborhoods. But you don't see him around
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a lot. He's low key, he's not interested. I know
he's flamboyant on the field, he's flamboyant his podcast, but
he's not flamboyant around town. And so that would surprise
me if that's the route he went. But you know,
it would surprise me, not shocked me. Maybe that's a
better way to put it.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
What'd you makeing?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
DeAndre Hopkins kind of shouting out to the haters saying,
I don't ever want to hear the Chiefs get favorable
calls from the refs again. I mean, there was only
a couple of controversial calls, and one went to the
Chiefs and one went to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, that's not the perspective. In Kansas City, they fought
The personal foul penalty on Nick Bolton was cheap, The
personal foul penalty on Trent McDuffie was cheap. They thought
there was a hands to the face that wasn't called.
And you know, there are plenty of times where Chiefs
fans felt like they were getting the short end of
the call, which they always you know, they always have.
I mean, they'll they'll point out all kinds of different calls,
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but you know, I look, are there Jordan rules. There
are Jordan rules, and sa Quon Barkley's Michael Jordan of
running backs. So don't hit him a little bit late
if you're Nick bolt I mean, it was a dumb
play either way. I don't have a problem with the whistle,
I'll be honest with you, but I'm you're talking about
Chiefs fans. You know, all the sickos think no calls
should ever go against their team, and that's how it
was here in Kansas City. But you know, there were
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calls that could have gone the other way. But you
know that's been the case with the Chiefs, and they've
gotten them. Sometimes they didn't get them this time. Your
job is to be better, and they were terrible in
that football game. So there's you know, the calls had
nothing to do with them losing totally.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, before you go the two Super Bowls that Patrick
Mahomes has lost. You've been blown out right once by Tampa,
once by Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Is it easier this way you think?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, Dick and I both know what it's like
to lose a heartbreaker. We know what it's like to
lose a heartbreaker twice against Pittsburgh and New England. I
mean New England was an all timer. Obviously, we know
what it's like to get screwed.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
We do. We do.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
So would you rather have lost a close game or
just goten destroyed the way you did twice?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
From the start?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Oh? Probably the close game. You know everybody's gotten over
it pretty fast. I think most people would tell you
this way is a better way because you're not sitting
there lamenting the one call and we could have, we
should have and all those kind of things. I do
think in time, like, we don't go through individual plays
at the Tampa Super Bowl, and I don't think we'll
ever do that when it comes to this one, But
we certainly in Kansas City, are happy to lump in
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the total number of conference championships. You know, the fact
that they got there, that they played in those Super Bowls.
It's probably easier this way because I know it took
a long time to get over losing to the Patriots
and the AFC Championship game in eighteen when d Ford's
called for an offside which negated the game winning interception,
and regulation that was tough to get by. I think
this is easier to get over because you knew you
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never had a shot at it.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I'm a believer in the in the Super Bowl loser curse.
I really am, because I think it's a psychological thing
to like climb the mountain and spend nineteen twenty games
climbing mountain and getting so close and then not tasting it.
I mean, is this something the Chiefs fans got to
worry about a little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think it's what you say, Dave.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
One team since the Dolphins in seventy two have actually
gone back to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I do England, but there's been teams that have
done it a year two years later.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Not only one is done at the next year.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
But recently look at these teams the year after. I
mean San Francisco is a perfect example.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, No, I I think it's real because of what
they may do to the roster, like there's no again.
I think they made some decisions that weren't the best
long term decisions last year, and now that they've lost,
do they make all decisions based upon the long term
and so you can look at it and say, well,
was it a psychological problem or was it you know,
just roster construction for the long haul. I think that'll
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be interesting to see what they do if they let
all these guys go that are free agents. They and
Brett Beach has said that, look, free agency is going
to be our draft this year. And they have a first,
a second, two thirds, a fourth, and two sevenths. I
mean that's not going to cover at all. Right, So
if that's their approach, and I think they are maybe
looking to take a step back to try to take
two steps forward. But I do think that part of
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it is, you know, they played sixty one football games
in three years. I mean that that is a lot
of games to try to you know, navigate and get through.
And you know, Trent Green said he really thought, looking
at the team before the before the game started, that
they looked a little bit lifeless, that the emotion wasn't there.
And I do wonder if the tank was just unempty,
and you know, there was there was no fire, there
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was no emotion. They seem to have no ability to
bounce back. Usually there'll be someone storming up and down
the sideline, you know, trying to rally the troops when
they get down. There just didn't seem to be any
of that. So I wonder if this is an exhausted
football team. And I wonder if one offseason, which is
pretty short when you play all the way to this
point and he turned back right now, we're two months
away and will be in mini camp. You know, does
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that Is that enough to recharge the batteries? Is it enough?
Coaching staff will be at the combine here in a
couple of weeks. I mean, is that enough to recharge
the batteries?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I don't know. I mean we're gonna find out now.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It never ends, man, for a lot of these people,
for sure. All Right, dude, hell of a run, great job,
Appreciate this and we'll talk sooner.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me guys.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
All right, sir M Petro, Yeah, I mean, you know,
one of the question I would have asked him is,
if I could guarantee you right now you'll be back
in the game and win it in two years, would
you take that?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Because I would if I were.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Philadelphia took two years after they lost to get back
and win it, Kansas City two years Patriots won, and.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Denver took two.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think that's going back to Super Bowl forty eight,
thirteen years ago. So there's been four teams that have
lost a Super Bowl that within two years came back
and won it again, which I think for all those
teams they would take.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
And it makes a lot of sense too, because like
you you're saying, you know, you make some changes, you
you step back a little bit, you played all those games,
you have a little psychological let down the year after,
and then twelve months later you're like, Okay, we're refreshed.
Now we're pissed off because we only went nine to
eight this year the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I hear you say super Bowl loser curse. I think
of a team that loses it and then never gets
back or.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Take to talks about that.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
I'm just talking about the next.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Because the Dolphins did it, right, The Dolphins did it.
The Dolphins lost in seventy one and then went undefeated
in nineteen seventy two. That's the that's the last time
up until the Patriots did it, I think just a
few years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
But but see, I don't think that's that big a deal.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean, to me, to lose it and then get
there two years later and win it again, that's that's fine, right,
But haven't hear that never get back or after wait
a decade, but there's been way more Super Bowl champions
that have gotten back to the super Bowl the next
year versus Super Bowl losers. Let's see, well, the teams
that have gotten their consecutive years obviously Kansas City outside
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of Kansas City making.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It three years in a row.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Talking about two years. The last time to do it
two years in a row was the Seahawks. That was
ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
New England did it.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh, I mean, just just the teams to win it
and then get back at the Patriots did in two
thousand and seven eighteen. Yeah, there's been three teams that
have done it. I don't know, I just don't think
it's as big a deal as it used to be.
That's my point, because everything we talked about like this conversation.
I remember exactly when we brought it up was when
the Niners played the Ravens in twenty twelve, and we said, hey, guys, look,
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if they lose this game, they might be screwed for
a while. Yep, and they lost the game. They were
screwed for a while. So the ratings are out. One
hundred and twenty six million people watch the game. It's
the most watched Super Bowl of all time. Stun imagine
if it was a good game, right, and I wonder
how many people actually tuned in because of the Chiefs
hate they had.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
A reason to tune in to root against Kansas City.
I don't know. Maybe it was the Taylor Swift crowd.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I mean, I do find it a little bit interesting
that ever since Taylor Swift showed up, the ratings have
been getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year. You
guys realize, Andrews two that since the year two thousand,
which the year two thousand was with the Giants. It
was the Titans Rams game, that great game when Mike
Brown had that tackle, the one right, they had eighty
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eight million people watch that game. They had one hundred
and twenty six million people yesterday. That means in twenty
five years, the NFL has basically added California in fans because.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
The Seahawks Patriots broke the all time record correct, and
that was like a three hundred and miss, you know,
one hundred.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
And fifteen million or something like.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's still number three all time.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
One hundred and fourteen point four million people watched that game.
But it's I mean, imagine if it was a close game.
They mean, they got one hundred thirty million people. But
Tack and I were talking off the year if you
weren't watching the game yes year, like what.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Were you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I mean, Andrews, your wife is from Argentina. Yeah, I
get it right. She might not be a big American
football fan, but she'd watch it for other reasons though, right.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
She she actually told me going into it, like, hey,
I might check it out with you, because originally she
was like, yeah, you go watch the Super Bowl, do
your thing. I'm gonna go shopping whatever. But then she
found out that Liono Messi was gonna be there, and
that's like a god in her. So she was watching
just to see if he would be shown on the
big scame and and she think, all by the way
I did, they did show them a couple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So that's a big thing for her. Same thing with
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Taylor Swift. Not as much with her. She's a big
Swift age, but she doesn't really care if she could
shown on the big screen at all. But she also
likes the halftime show. There's a lot of people that
watch us for like the halftime show stuff. So I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm not a halftime show guy at all, No, nor
am I at all. It is a It is such
a zero for me. And you know what, I've always
been that way. Yeah, I've always been a total zero
for the halftime games that I've been at, and I've
been lucky enough to be at four of them. Couldn't
give a damn about any of those halftime shows TV.
That's the time you get up and you use the can,
you go to the fridge, you run into the store
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or whatever. I've always just been a complete fricking zero
for I could not care less about it.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I couldn't either, and it has nothing to do with age,
because I cared just as much now as I did
when I was twenty five years old, when I was
at the absolute, you know, dictionary definition of who they
were going for. But what was interesting it was yesterday
we had probably thirty people in this house. We were
watching the game, right, and there's about fifteen kids, all
between like twelve and sixteen years of eight, so like
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wheelhouse for the halftime show, and they were all spread
out through about three TVs while the game was going on.
Once the halftime show started, they all boom, just plopped
on the same couch watching the same TV. They shut
up because they really it was like the most important
thing for them to watch them good.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I asked him at the end. I was like, how
was it?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And they were like every single one of them was like, yeah, good,
and they were all just very They didn't say it
was bad. They were all just like not impressed at all,
and that that should have been the target demo.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Well, I'm a big Kendrick Lamar fan, so I really
liked it, and I could see how it might have
gone over the head of what what's the age r eeteen.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Year old katch.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Yeah, I think a lot of what he was saying
was kind of going over the head. But I mean,
it's just kind of how it is.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
It's going over the ahead of them.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Isn't it going over ahead of ninety eight percent of America?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I mean, then how is that good television?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Apparently it was because people loved it and it got
a good ratios. Oh, I got it got panned, though,
did it? I thought it?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I thought people complimented it. Everything I've seen it was
about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
It was about fifty. But that's perfect. Though it's fifty
to fifty. You couldn't ask for anything better.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Half the people are tuning into Hay. Half people are
tuning into love it exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I mean I didn't see a second of it, so
I can't come in at all. I did not give
a damn about any of it. I'm just not a
halftime show guy at all. I'm also apparently not over
Mike Homgeran getting a job by the Hall of Family
or notesday night we find the Sando cliff.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, the way I got It's a little line, but
I think there's a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I want to hear this.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I want to hear why Mike Sando thinks Mike Homgrian
got left out of the Hall of Fame Thursday night.
We'll do that next on ninety three three KJRFM Live.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
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back to Softie and Dick on your Home for the
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Speaker 3 (21:50):
Here on a Monday afternoon from the Emerald Quick Casino
Sports Book. I had a great time at the party
for the Super Bowl yesterday. I wonder how they do
the raid for bars and restaurants and things like that.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Well, yeah, like what about the house that I was at.
There's thirty people there. Yeah, yeah, watching three TVs in
one house?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Good question for our ratings guy? Whoever that guy don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I don't know John Ooran, maybe somebody like that sports
business whatever. Yeah, uh, but Mike's uh Sando was on
with Ian today and this happened after we're off the
air on Thursday. I was off Friday down at the
Wasted Management, by the way, which was amazing. Missed the
hole in one because we had to go leave and
see a buddy. So I blamed Todd Denis.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Blame the body.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, did you like dude, did you see that you're
right there? No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I was going to talk to somebody. You weren't the
only one that texted me. I heard from a lot
of people, so I feel terrible about it, But whatever
I thought. My friends are blaming me, which is bs.
But anyway, after we got off the air Thursday, did
anybody talk about why the NFL Honor show was blacked
out in Seattle?
Speaker 6 (22:55):
We didn't really know why.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's ridiculous. Number one, It's twenty twenty five. This isn't
nineteen eighty four on Koemy wanting Monday night football.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Two hours late. Every want to play the news. Yes,
Fox had the broadcast rights at nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Who the hell's watch on the stupid show at nine
when you already know who's won everything? Right, So that's
the dumb, dumb crap decision number one. And then dumb
crap decision number two was not putting Mike Congrid in
the freaking Hall of Fame. So I'm not really in
the mood to hear any of these excuses, by the way,
but we're gonna hear him anyway. Mike Sando with the
infer and Est today, explaining why he did not think
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Mike Homgran made the Hall of Fame go ahead.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
I came out of the meeting knowing that he had
broad support, knowing that it went really well, and I
felt like, you know, I've been doing this the number
of years. You can just tell when somebody has crushed
the threshold and they're gonna get in. Okay, Now that
being said, what I didn't fully understand was how the
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math would work. So my takeaway coming out of this is, Okay,
they made some changes to the process. We knew it
would make it harder, we didn't fully understand how it
would impact that coach Contributors senior bucket. In retrospect, I
feel like the coach contributor categories faced more of an
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uphill battle than I realized going against three players. One
of the things they did about ten years ago is
they put the coaches and the contributors. They gave them
their own category. And so if this had been then
and Mike Holmgrean was the coach the coach candidate, he
would have breezed right in. But because they've now, they've
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put the coach the contributor in with three senior players.
And by the way, one of those senior players was
somebody Mike Holmgeran himself has advocated stronly for for the
Hall of Fame and Starting Sharp. Starting Sharp is not
some guy who played in that we're picturing in black
and white and we don't really know what he was like.
Most of the people in the committee know that Sterling
Sharp was awesome. Yea, So he was almost like a
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modern era player in here. So this feels like if
you're Mike Holmgren, or if you're his family, or if
you're a Seahawks fan, you're feeling like Mike Holmgren was
rejected by the voters. Mike Holmgren was very much embraced
by the voters. He just because of the way the
votes are divided, didn't get eighty percent. A little bit
(25:34):
of a surprise to me. I thought Sharp and Holmgren
were far and away the best two in that room,
and I would have thought they both made it, But
obviously they didn't both make it. We're going to talk
about all this stuff and air kind of concerns and
thoughts because I do feel like it kind of failed
Mike Holmgren this year based on where how everybody felt
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about him, Like I think people thought he was going
to make it included, you know, the committee.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Okay, I'm glad Mike said that, because the whole the
committee totally failed Mike Hongrune And I just, you know,
for maybe I'm just way too close to this thing.
And I think I think if we knew about other
people and what was going on behind the scenes, we
might feel the same way about them. But you're messing
with people's emotions here.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You're talking about a seventy seven year old guy who's
got like ten grandkids, daughters desperately wanting to see him
on the Hall of Fame. You made him a finalist,
and you just gave him the biggest tease of his life,
the biggest tease of his life. You gave this guy, Dick.
If this was your dad, you'd be livid right now,
livid if this happened to your father.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Well, they made him. Let's let's be straight about what
they did do.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
They made him one of five finalists, right, Okay, right,
and then they didn't say anything else nothing.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
So how so, how was it?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
I mean, I guess I don't understand, Like, how was
it a tease for Mike any more than it was
a teas for any the other guys.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Uh, because three of the five guys are dead. Okay,
that's part of it. One guy killed his wife, literally
killed his wife. The other guy's been dead for eighty years.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Real, you're almost the owner of accusing the Hall of
Fame committee of teasing him unreasonably by making him a finalist,
because that's all they did, was make him a finalist.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
When you say teasing him unreasonably, whether it's reasonable or not,
they teased him, I don't give a damn how reasonable
it was. They teased him because every other coaching finalist
for the most part, except for this other guy that
nobody had ever heard of from like the Cardinals or Lions,
whatever it was last year or two years ago, they've
all gotten in.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Every single one, vermil Cower.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
All these guys that were suggested by the committee to
be the coaching finalist, they've all made it under different rules.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
They've all made it good.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But you know what, the different rules haven't changed enough
to justify keeping Mike out over any of these guys.
And by the way, I'm not buying the New Math
at all. I'm sorry, I'm just not buying it. I'm not,
and if I'm missing something here, feel free and or
Dick to jump in. Because here's the thing. They had
five dudes. You could vote for up to three of them. Okay,
only one of them made it was Stirling Sharp. So
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you had to literally find eleven of the fifty voters
to not put Mike Holmgrin on their ballance, and they
did that.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And they did that.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
So this idea that well there was only room for
one now that's BS, Dick. There was room for three more.
It's the smallest Hall of Fame class in twenty years.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
And they were shocked by this Hall of Fame clas explained, Okay,
they were stunned out, totally ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I think that there was an unconscious in some ways
idea that they wanted to limit the size of the
Hall of Fame class. And when they started talking about that,
people then backed off and said, well, we're only gonna
put one guy in and not three guys in or
two guys in, because we've been putting too many people in.
So this new Math nonsense that people were throwing out there,
(28:53):
it's BS, because you absolutely had room for two more.
You could have put one, you could have put two
And you're telling me that you found eleven people to
either not put Mike Homgrin on their ballad or put
an a a guy who died eighty years ago, or
be a guy that killed his wife over him.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Are you freaking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
This was an absolute gigantic teas And on top of that,
and Mike would never speak for himself in that regard
because he's a humble guy and it would be embarrassing
for him. That's why he's got people like us doing
it for him on his behalf, either directly or indirectly.
He heard he was a finalist. You know how Mike
Cormgan find out he was a finalist from me? Because
I saw it on Twitter. Nobody from the Hall of
Fame called him. Nobody from the Hall of Fame said,
here's how the process works. Nobody from the Hall of
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Fame said, here's when you'll know. Nobody from the Hall
of Fame said, here's when you'll find out if you
did make the Hall of Fame. He was literally finding
out on social media like everybody else, waiting for a
knock to come that never showed up, and watching a
TV show like the rest of us. It's ridiculous. And
I'm not just talking about Mike. I'm talking about all
these other guys the way they're treated. This has got
(29:54):
to stop, man, I mean, dude, first of all, you
heard Milliner earlier today.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If he's in the Hall of.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Fame today, he's like top ten, top fifteen, and almost
every major coaching seventh of the guys that are in
the Hall of Fame already.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
So what argument can you make to leave Mike Holungrin
out of all?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
There is?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
There is no argument.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
But I mean I am choosing to listen to that
sand To interview and get a completely different take than
you are. Yeah, well, because that the line that I
am taking with me and will take with me until
twenty twenty seven. Yes, when Mike is going to get in,
because Belichick's getting in next year. Quote, you know when
you feel someone has crossed the threshold and is going
to get in, and he's done that.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
But you don't sense the urgency the way I do.
I think that's I think it's disgusting that a seventy
seven year old man has to continue to wait to
make the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You just don't see the urgency. Adults.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I understand, I say, but he's only been a s
he's only been a finalist. Okay, well, first of all,
he should have been a finalist more than once. He
should have been a finalist five years ago. But that's
this is the reality thing that we have been bitching
about for a decade, Dick, a decade, and the idea
that well, he can just wait. I think that's ludicrous,
that it's an absolute ludicrous take for someone to have that.
(31:05):
Mike Congri needs to just continue to wait. Well, I'm
not saying he's seventy seven years old. He shouldn't have
to wait another damn day to make the Hall of Fame.
Not one day to make the Hall of Fame. Dick,
if he was fifty or had just retired, okay, fine,
but he's seventy seven, dude, who knows how much longer
the guy's got. I have no idea you think I thought, uh,
(31:27):
six months before my dad died, that he'd be dead
of brain cancer at eighty one years old. I never
thought that nobody has any idea how much time we've
got on this earth. Nobody has any clue how long
this thing's gonna last. And to continue to make this guy, Wait,
what didn't you keep telling me every time Vermeo made
it in COWI made it in Flower has made it
in No. You would say things like and I thought
(31:49):
you were correct. You know what, they want to take
care of the older guys, and they're.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Not doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
He's the next one, He's the next in line. He
Santo said that later in the year, he's not gonna
be next in line. Could have put him in right now.
But the fact that he does not make it this
year is the joke. There's there's nothing, and Sando said
this earlier. There is nothing to indicate that Mike Holmgrin
is not the first of those next three in line.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Now, yes, Belichick's an exception.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
He's going in next year because that's the first year
he's eligible, and I think all of us would.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Agree retires, he's gonna be the next one after that.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Okay, well, let's hope Andy Reid doesn't retire for two years.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
But again, that's that's two three more years he's got
to wait. And I just I I have a much
bigger problem with him having to wait at this age
than you do. A much bigger problem with it. And
you and I are just gonna have to dic.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
We've disagreed on this for as long as we're talking
about it. I'm not gonna change my stance on it. Look,
don't don't changeing, but my stance either.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think the fact that you were asking an almost
elderly man to wait as long as Mike Congrin's had
to wait for something he clearly deserves. If there was
a debate, if there was a controversy about this, if
it was like, Okay, we can go fifty to fifty,
you know whatever, that I can see.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
But the argument against him being left out is so strong,
so overly strong.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I don't just everybody should be livid that Mike
Homgrin is not in the Hall of Fame already, and
every year that this guy has to wait.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Is a Do you think, honestly, do you think people
are quote unquote livid or do you think people feel
like me that they are They are disappointed, They want
to see their guy in, but they feel like their
guy is going to get it. Do you really think
that people are driving around just freaking angry that Mike
Homgrin's not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Say, this is the difference between you and me, why
do I care what people think?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, because you just said you should feel your quote.
Everybody should feel livid because the argument is so freaking strong.
You always tell me I shouldn't tell people how to feel. Well,
you know what, Look when you're talking about something that,
to me should be so freaking obvious.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
The guy's seventy seven, Dick, have a heart.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
For God's sake, you're saying I'm not sympathetic to I
talked to him for an hour in person on Friday.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I don't think you are as sympathetic to his cause
as I am. I think I I think I am
way more concerned about how old he is. I'm way
more concerned about his kids having to wait. I'm way
more concerned about his grandkids having to wait. I'm way
more concerned about that than you. And if you're not
concerned about hey, Dick, that's your prerogative, okay, And I'm not.
I'm not trying to speak for other people. And if
I am, then I apologize.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I actually shouldn't do that, because in the end, I
don't give a damn what anybody else thinks. I can
speak for me. I have one brain and one mouth
and one thought.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And my thought is it's a crime that Mike com
Grant has to keep waiting to make the Hall of
Fame and the story.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I just mean, you don't agree, you don't agree.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
I don't want you painting me as unsympathetic to Mike
call I'm actually something that I think he's going to
go on the Hall of Fame because I do think
a he deserves it and.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Be he will.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm I'm surprised that you're not more upset about the
fact that the guy at his age, at his stage
of his life, has to continue to wait while lesser
people go in in front of him.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I'm slightly Who is the lesser person that went in
front of him this time? Nobody? This time? You kidd me?
Do we need more?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
The first time he's finalists, the first time ever he's
a finalist. Right, Nobody that deserved it less than him
got in.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Right? So what's so?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
What's the big contract? Because it's been a controversy for
five years? What are you crazy? Are you out of
your mind?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
The rules? Dick again? You again?
Speaker 6 (35:15):
You don't, you don't need to put down.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The rules are different.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
The rules are different this year than they've been the
last five years.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
You cannot compare twenty twenty five yes with twenty twenty one,
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, because it's a different
I just said that a rule.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
First of all, I just got done telling you I'm
not buying the rules. I'm not buying the best sun rule.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
That's what they are. But Dick, there's no explanation that
makes sense. The rules are the rules.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
He still could have gotten in easily, could have easily. Listen,
then don't say that. Don't sit there and tell me
he could have and then tell me the rules are different.
They had room for three people. I just got done
telling you that there's room for three people in the
Hall of Fame of these five, and they didn't put
him in.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
So you can.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You can bark and stream and yell all you want
about the rules of the rules. Now, the rules haven't
changed enough to keep him out. I'm sorry, Dick, they
just haven't. Well, they should enough to keep him out
in the reality, but they haven't changed enough to keep
him out.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's the whole point.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Cower never should have gotten in before him, Vermeial never
should have gotten before him, Flores never should have gotten
before So I can.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Keep going all day long.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
He was this is finalist then.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Dick, And that's the problem is he should have been
over all those lesser people. This has been pissing me
off for ten years. It's been a crime for ten years,
and it continues to be a crime. It's bull crap
that Mike Corman's not in the Hall of Fame. And
there's no other argument for it, none at all, period,
end of story. All Right, five forty six, let's uh,
let's get Let's call Ria Hughes uh and get her
(36:39):
on in the six pm hour.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Could we went late here with this? All right, We'll
talk to Ria. Get the Philadelphia perspective coming up around
six ten or so to night. Right here on ninety
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Speaker 3 (37:42):
Let me just recap last segment for those that we
have to Andrews, you want to recap what you heard
last segment?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Basically Softies upset and my congin doesn't get in and
then Dick feels a little more measured about it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, and that's where we're at.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
What Goork?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Which Look, I'm I'm very passionate about this, right.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I am sad and disappointed, but I'm measured.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, I'm a good word, and I'm not measured whatsoever.
I am beyond living and that's fine. I'm beyond living
you and that's me. That's that's why you, well, no,
I mean, that's why people love us, because it's the
yin and the y and there were too soft these
versus two dicks, And I guess I just said that
out loud. That'd be an issue, but I you know, look,
(38:26):
I mean, I I'm totally with you. I'm not telling
fans how a field. I don't want to ever do that.
Every now and then, I'll violate my own code. Nobody's perfect, right.
Every now and then you do something that you don't
believe is the right way to do something. I don't
want people to think. I'm yelling and screaming for them
to think just like me. I guess I would think
that every now and then there'd be something that would
come along where all of us could generally agree, if
(38:48):
not generally, almost and unanimously agree that this is a
freaking travesty. And I'm telling you, I told you on
Thursday night, I was heartbroke and I was sad, and
that that would have what was the name of the
volcano that you mentioned, Krakatoa, Krakatoa. Yeah, eventually I'm gonna
be Krakatoa. And I'm freaking piste that this guy's not
in the hall. It's an absolute joke that this guy's
(39:11):
not in the hall. You can save your math nonsense
and the new rules nonsense, and you can shove it
straight up your ass, every part of it, because it
doesn't excuse does an excuse?
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
What happened when they voted on this on January the fourteenth.
If you came to me and said, hey, of the five,
only one can make it, okay, great, I get that,
but that wasn't the case. Three of them could have
made it in and you purposely kept him out. Why
to limit the class, to limit the size? Is there
a vendetta against this guy because of what happened in Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Is there an issue with the with some relationships with
people in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I want to know why when three of the five
could have gotten in with eighty percent of the vote,
Why anybody why you would remotely think about either a
putting in a guy who died eighty years ago, or
be a guy that killed his wife over Mike or.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
I think I think it's the second, not the first.
I don't think it's putting anybody over him. I think
there was a lot of scrutiny that said, dude, you
guys screwed up the last few years. You put a
lot of people in the Hall. We want to pull
it back. So if there was any question in their
mind at all, they were gonna say, you know what,
I'm just gonna abstain.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
I'm just gonna vote Sterling and that's it.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I'm not going to push the envelope because we've been
criticized for years about how many people were putting in.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
That's my that's just my guess.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I mean it's I'm not saying you're wrong. It's
certainly possible that they did that. So now we have
a Hall of Fame committee, a voter who's afraid to
vote for Hall of Fame correct because it's just terrible,
because they're afraid of the reaction from Twitter.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I mean, are you kidding me like that? Now I'm
even more pissed off.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Sorry, we're gonna break God Anders pissed them will join
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twenty four to twenty nine and four to Boyts, have
twelve days off until they take on Florida on the
twenty second of February. Or let's head over to Kansas City, Missouri,
where I can guarantee the last thing this guy wants
to hear from today is us after the Chiefs got
annihilated yesterday. But he's also kind of an even keeled guy,
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you know, whatever kind of goes to the flow. Our
buddy's sarn Petro from WHB in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How are you, man, I'm well, gentlemen, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
How surprised? Darya?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We're sitting here talking about the Chiefs getting annihilated bright
Philadelphia yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, that I listen. I don't think it's that's
something that they lost. I think the Eagles, I think
we might have talked about it that. I think if
the names weren't read in mahomes, that the Eagles would
have been two and a half point favorites in this game,
but the way it went, you know, having I think
it was twenty three yards of offense in the first half,
only having one first down, which happened on the first
play of the game, until the last minute or two
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of the first half. I don't think anybody saw that coming.
It was ugly. It was a complete and utter domination.
And you know, it's one of about three or four
different games where we've seen in his entire career, Patrick
Mahomes looked like he was just the funneled, lost, rattled
and have a bad day and you're not going to
beat a team like the filled up Eagles when your
quarterback plays like that.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Who are Chiefs fans mad at today?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean everybody. You know, the wackados have always got
somebody they want to, you know, freak out about. But
I mean, I think overall there is they've had to
become capologists and understand and watch players leave, and you know,
they haven't been able to solve the left tackle spots.
So there's some red beach frustration there that you know
is really since Eric Fisher got hurt, you know, back
in the run to the twenty twenty Super Bowl that
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they haven't. It's just been a revolving door. They've They've
played in fives and had five different starting left tackles
in those five Super Bowls, and so I think there's
some frustration there. They want to solve that. And you know,
I mean, actually, like to me, the defense didn't play
poorly at all. They'd given up ten real points in
the first half. They had you know, taken Saquon Barkley
out of the game. They had done what they wanted
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to do. I think this is just the reality of Okay,
you've leaned on the defense now for two years. It
worked last year, but having a mediocre offense is a
problem in the modern NFL, and it cost them because
it eventually wore down what was a good effort out
of the defense in the first half.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, I'd like to have all those problems with three
titles and a loss in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
By the way, I mean, it's all talking about you know,
it's all context, man, You're talking about elite versus elite
all that stuff. But I guess the question is, now,
where do the Chiefs go from here? Is Kelsey going
to retire? Is the Mahomes cap thing going to be
a real problem. Will they be able to fix the line.
How confident are you that, as long as Reid and
Mahomes stay together, that we'll see these guys in this
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game very soon?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, I'm company you'll see him back. I don't know
by very soon, meaning next year, the year after, I
don't know. I think one of the things when you lose,
you're free to ask all relevant questions, and I don't
think they were really free of that. Look, Chris Jones
probably was a contract too far. They probably should have
walked on that contract when it was all said and done,
because they could have addressed a number of different spontsmen.
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I think that's what you saw from the Tyreek hilltrade.
Now you're able to get a bunch of draft picks,
five different draft picks, and three of them high picks
out of that deal. That helped a lot and going
and replenishing. But just the cap room that creates and
the ability to go out and try to address multiple
needs as opposed to one need. I think the Chiefs
WI always wanted to we make a mistake and coming
back with the thirty plus million for Chris Jones you
only had five sacks this year. He's thirty years old now,
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and are they buying on the downslope of his career?
And did they do it just because they wanted to
try to create history and win three straight championships? Noble
reason to do it. But does that now settle them
with a contract that they really can't handle because they
do need to address left tackle. They're gonna lose Nick Bolton,
their middle linebacker, justin Reid. They're starting safety, Tray Smith,
they're starting guard, Sofia, I know you talk about that
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all the time, that's the guy. You guys will come it.
I mean, you're not gonna have competition from the Chiefs.
I don't think that they'll be able to sign him.
Maybe Travis Kelcey steps away. You know, they they've got
a lot of you know, big players that they're gonna
have to replace. Everybody does every year. But if you
had another thirty million under the cap, it'd be a
lot easier to do those things.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, you've seen Tray Smith a lot more than we have.
Is he worth being made the highest paid Garden football?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
No? And no one is. And in fact, you know,
Joe Tooney is the best pass blocking guard in football,
and I don't know that he's I definitely don't think
he's worth a twenty seven million in cap room it's
gonna cost him now. Is he worth what he's been
on average over the years. And I think that's why
we'll see if they renegotiate Joe Toney's deal extended and
try to bring that number down. But Tray Smith is
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a is a great run blocker, he's a mall or,
he's a great guy, he's a great person in the community,
make all those things you love, but he is sometimes
limited in what he can do pass protection wise, and
so I think heading out on the market, I would
never recommend a team make their biggest expenditure guard. I
say that they spend a lot of money on Joe Touney,
and they won two championships with them and played in
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another AFC Championship game and lost another Super Bowl during
that time, during the four years that he's been in
Kansas City. So it's not that you can't win if
you do it. But I think they're the premium positions
of corner and left tackle and quarterback and number one
wide out. I think that's a better place to spend
your money and spend your resources if you can. The
Chiefs tried for Trent Williams, and when they couldn't get
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Trent Williams signed, that's when they pivoted and said, Okay,
Joe Toney, we're at least going to solve the guard
issue on that side, And then they managed to do
a really nice job of at least taping together left tackle.
But I think somebody's going to give Trace Smith a
lot of money, probably more than he deserves, and you
better be really efficient and the other signings you have,
because I don't know that any guard is worth that
kind of money. We saw the difference between guard and
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tackle watching Joe Touney try to play tackle. Best pass
blocking Guarden football was shoved right back into the face
of Patrick Mahomes that set up one of the interceptions
because he couldn't handle the bull rush from a two
hundred and sixty five pound defensive end. So no, I
would not spend that kind of money on any guard
in football.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Sir en Pitt, May you sound like John Schneider by
the way that way, I feel he agrees with you.
That's party why the Seahawks offensive line is no good.
But Saren Petro, WHB Kansas City, is Kelsey done?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You think?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, I just had this conversation with Trent Green
in our last hour and we were talking about it,
and the body language wasn't good. Of course, they were losing.
I don't want to read too much into it, but
I about you know, all Chiefs fans think, well, he
don't want to go out like that, so he's definitely
gonna come back. I kind of view it the other way.
I mean, I think a gully Kelsey who's played this
many seasons knows that the only way to right that
wrong if that's your mindset, is like, I don't want
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my final game to be like that. Well you got
to get all the way to the super Bowl to
do that. And Travis Kelsey knows what it takes to
go through those nineteen games in eight weeks of training
camp and everything else. And does he really want to
go through that grind to hopefully get the chance to
right that wrong. I don't know. He's got a lot
going on. I know he said during Super Bowl media
week that he would be back, but I think it's
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going to be a difficult question for him to answer.
And one that he'll wrestle with I think, you know,
they've said all the right things that he'll be back.
I'm not so sure. I think there's gonna probably be
some time he needs to take before he figures all
that out.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Well, this is the huge cap hit jump for Patrick Mahomes,
going from thirty seven million to sixty six million next year.
So do we see a restructure in the next couple months.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, I think you will, And I think that's something
they're going to do on a regular basis. They'll give
him more cash money up front to make it worth
us while. That's how they did it with Tom Brady.
You know, the word was always that Tom Brady was
taking less money than Peyton Manning. And at the end
of the day, when you look at their contracts and
you look at the actual cash dollars that went in
their pockets, it's pretty close. And that's really I mean,
Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes have talked a number of times,
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and I think that's kind of the path that Patrick
Mahomes is on. You renegotiate, you give him a bunch
of money. You know, they renegotiated a couple of years
ago and gave him a bunch of money upfront that
kept that number down. I still see people reporting his
original deal not knowing that more money's been moved forward,
and they guarantee has always got two years guaranteed. As
soon as the year's over, it guarantees, you know, another year,
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so you know when he gets to the new league year,
they'll guarantee twenty six for him. So he's always rolling
two years worth of guarantees. That's one of the big
misnomers that he only had eighty or ninety million guaranteed.
It's constantly guaranteeing two years out. So yeah, I think
they'll move it around. That'll help him create some cap room.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Question is the only reason that might not happen is,
like I said, when you lose, do you take evaluation
and say, okay, it might be a bit of a
lean year, but let's take the hit on a lot
of these contracts right now and a chance to put
ourselves in a lot better position for the next two
or three years. I can see him looking at that,
but that's not normally how they do it, So I
would expect them to go ahead and backload it, give
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him cash up front, bring that number down and try
to go help him out with left tackle and wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You think Kelsey would have proposed to take, say if
they won the game.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, you know that's a popular team, listen, do I know? No,
I have no idea, you know, really, but everything about them,
you know, he I always joke about this. You know,
he lives not that far from me, Like we we
go to the same gas station, but we might as
well be on other sides of the world. Compare when
you compare the neighborhoods. But you don't see him around
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a lot. He's low key, he's not interested. I know
he's flamboyant on the field, he's flamboyant his podcast, but
he's not flamboyant around town. And so that would surprise
me if that's the route he went. But you know,
it would surprise me, not shocked me. Maybe that's a
better way to put it.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
What'd you makeing?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
DeAndre Hopkins kind of shouting out to the haters saying,
I don't ever want to hear the Chiefs get favorable
calls from the refs again. I mean, there was only
a couple of controversial calls, and one went to the
Chiefs and one went to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, that's not the perspective. In Kansas City, they fought
The personal foul penalty on Nick Bolton was cheap, The
personal foul penalty on Trent McDuffie was cheap. They thought
there was a hands to the face that wasn't called.
And you know, there are plenty of times where Chiefs
fans felt like they were getting the short end of
the call, which they always you know, they always have.
I mean, they'll they'll point out all kinds of different calls,
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but you know, I look, are there Jordan rules. There
are Jordan rules, and sa Quon Barkley's Michael Jordan of
running backs. So don't hit him a little bit late
if you're Nick bolt I mean, it was a dumb
play either way. I don't have a problem with the whistle,
I'll be honest with you, but I'm you're talking about
Chiefs fans. You know, all the sickos think no calls
should ever go against their team, and that's how it
was here in Kansas City. But you know, there were
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calls that could have gone the other way. But you
know that's been the case with the Chiefs, and they've
gotten them. Sometimes they didn't get them this time. Your
job is to be better, and they were terrible in
that football game. So there's you know, the calls had
nothing to do with them losing totally.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, before you go the two Super Bowls that Patrick
Mahomes has lost. You've been blown out right once by Tampa,
once by Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Is it easier this way you think?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, Dick and I both know what it's like
to lose a heartbreaker. We know what it's like to
lose a heartbreaker twice against Pittsburgh and New England. I
mean New England was an all timer. Obviously, we know
what it's like to get screwed.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
We do. We do.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
So would you rather have lost a close game or
just goten destroyed the way you did twice?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
From the start?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Oh? Probably the close game. You know everybody's gotten over
it pretty fast. I think most people would tell you
this way is a better way because you're not sitting
there lamenting the one call and we could have, we
should have and all those kind of things. I do
think in time, like, we don't go through individual plays
at the Tampa Super Bowl, and I don't think we'll
ever do that when it comes to this one, But
we certainly in Kansas City, are happy to lump in
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the total number of conference championships. You know, the fact
that they got there, that they played in those Super Bowls.
It's probably easier this way because I know it took
a long time to get over losing to the Patriots
and the AFC Championship game in eighteen when d Ford's
called for an offside which negated the game winning interception,
and regulation that was tough to get by. I think
this is easier to get over because you knew you
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never had a shot at it.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I'm a believer in the in the Super Bowl loser curse.
I really am, because I think it's a psychological thing
to like climb the mountain and spend nineteen twenty games
climbing mountain and getting so close and then not tasting it.
I mean, is this something the Chiefs fans got to
worry about a little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think it's what you say, Dave.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
One team since the Dolphins in seventy two have actually
gone back to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I do England, but there's been teams that have
done it a year two years later.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Not only one is done at the next year.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
But recently look at these teams the year after. I
mean San Francisco is a perfect example.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, No, I I think it's real because of what
they may do to the roster, like there's no again.
I think they made some decisions that weren't the best
long term decisions last year, and now that they've lost,
do they make all decisions based upon the long term
and so you can look at it and say, well,
was it a psychological problem or was it you know,
just roster construction for the long haul. I think that'll
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be interesting to see what they do if they let
all these guys go that are free agents. They and
Brett Beach has said that, look, free agency is going
to be our draft this year. And they have a first,
a second, two thirds, a fourth, and two sevenths. I
mean that's not going to cover at all. Right, So
if that's their approach, and I think they are maybe
looking to take a step back to try to take
two steps forward. But I do think that part of
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it is, you know, they played sixty one football games
in three years. I mean that that is a lot
of games to try to you know, navigate and get through.
And you know, Trent Green said he really thought, looking
at the team before the before the game started, that
they looked a little bit lifeless, that the emotion wasn't there.
And I do wonder if the tank was just unempty,
and you know, there was there was no fire, there
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was no emotion. They seem to have no ability to
bounce back. Usually there'll be someone storming up and down
the sideline, you know, trying to rally the troops when
they get down. There just didn't seem to be any
of that. So I wonder if this is an exhausted
football team. And I wonder if one offseason, which is
pretty short when you play all the way to this
point and he turned back right now, we're two months
away and will be in mini camp. You know, does
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that Is that enough to recharge the batteries? Is it enough?
Coaching staff will be at the combine here in a
couple of weeks. I mean, is that enough to recharge
the batteries?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I don't know. I mean we're gonna find out now.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It never ends, man, for a lot of these people,
for sure. All Right, dude, hell of a run, great job,
Appreciate this and we'll talk sooner.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me guys.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
All right, sir M Petro, Yeah, I mean, you know,
one of the question I would have asked him is,
if I could guarantee you right now you'll be back
in the game and win it in two years, would
you take that?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Because I would if I were.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Philadelphia took two years after they lost to get back
and win it, Kansas City two years Patriots won, and.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Denver took two.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think that's going back to Super Bowl forty eight,
thirteen years ago. So there's been four teams that have
lost a Super Bowl that within two years came back
and won it again, which I think for all those
teams they would take.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
And it makes a lot of sense too, because like
you you're saying, you know, you make some changes, you
you step back a little bit, you played all those games,
you have a little psychological let down the year after,
and then twelve months later you're like, Okay, we're refreshed.
Now we're pissed off because we only went nine to
eight this year the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I hear you say super Bowl loser curse. I think
of a team that loses it and then never gets
back or.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Take to talks about that.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
I'm just talking about the next.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Because the Dolphins did it, right, The Dolphins did it.
The Dolphins lost in seventy one and then went undefeated
in nineteen seventy two. That's the that's the last time
up until the Patriots did it, I think just a
few years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
But but see, I don't think that's that big a deal.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean, to me, to lose it and then get
there two years later and win it again, that's that's fine, right,
But haven't hear that never get back or after wait
a decade, but there's been way more Super Bowl champions
that have gotten back to the super Bowl the next
year versus Super Bowl losers. Let's see, well, the teams
that have gotten their consecutive years obviously Kansas City outside
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of Kansas City making.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It three years in a row.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Talking about two years. The last time to do it
two years in a row was the Seahawks. That was
ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
New England did it.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh, I mean, just just the teams to win it
and then get back at the Patriots did in two
thousand and seven eighteen. Yeah, there's been three teams that
have done it. I don't know, I just don't think
it's as big a deal as it used to be.
That's my point, because everything we talked about like this conversation.
I remember exactly when we brought it up was when
the Niners played the Ravens in twenty twelve, and we said, hey, guys, look,
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if they lose this game, they might be screwed for
a while. Yep, and they lost the game. They were
screwed for a while. So the ratings are out. One
hundred and twenty six million people watch the game. It's
the most watched Super Bowl of all time. Stun imagine
if it was a good game, right, and I wonder
how many people actually tuned in because of the Chiefs
hate they had.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
A reason to tune in to root against Kansas City.
I don't know. Maybe it was the Taylor Swift crowd.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I mean, I do find it a little bit interesting
that ever since Taylor Swift showed up, the ratings have
been getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year. You
guys realize, Andrews two that since the year two thousand,
which the year two thousand was with the Giants. It
was the Titans Rams game, that great game when Mike
Brown had that tackle, the one right, they had eighty
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eight million people watch that game. They had one hundred
and twenty six million people yesterday. That means in twenty
five years, the NFL has basically added California in fans because.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
The Seahawks Patriots broke the all time record correct, and
that was like a three hundred and miss, you know,
one hundred.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
And fifteen million or something like.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's still number three all time.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
One hundred and fourteen point four million people watched that game.
But it's I mean, imagine if it was a close game.
They mean, they got one hundred thirty million people. But
Tack and I were talking off the year if you
weren't watching the game yes year, like what.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Were you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I mean, Andrews, your wife is from Argentina. Yeah, I
get it right. She might not be a big American
football fan, but she'd watch it for other reasons though, right.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
She she actually told me going into it, like, hey,
I might check it out with you, because originally she
was like, yeah, you go watch the Super Bowl, do
your thing. I'm gonna go shopping whatever. But then she
found out that Liono Messi was gonna be there, and
that's like a god in her. So she was watching
just to see if he would be shown on the
big scame and and she think, all by the way
I did, they did show them a couple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So that's a big thing for her. Same thing with
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Taylor Swift. Not as much with her. She's a big
Swift age, but she doesn't really care if she could
shown on the big screen at all. But she also
likes the halftime show. There's a lot of people that
watch us for like the halftime show stuff. So I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm not a halftime show guy at all, No, nor
am I at all. It is a It is such
a zero for me. And you know what, I've always
been that way. Yeah, I've always been a total zero
for the halftime games that I've been at, and I've
been lucky enough to be at four of them. Couldn't
give a damn about any of those halftime shows TV.
That's the time you get up and you use the can,
you go to the fridge, you run into the store
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or whatever. I've always just been a complete fricking zero
for I could not care less about it.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I couldn't either, and it has nothing to do with age,
because I cared just as much now as I did
when I was twenty five years old, when I was
at the absolute, you know, dictionary definition of who they
were going for. But what was interesting it was yesterday
we had probably thirty people in this house. We were
watching the game, right, and there's about fifteen kids, all
between like twelve and sixteen years of eight, so like
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wheelhouse for the halftime show, and they were all spread
out through about three TVs while the game was going on.
Once the halftime show started, they all boom, just plopped
on the same couch watching the same TV. They shut
up because they really it was like the most important
thing for them to watch them good.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I asked him at the end. I was like, how
was it?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And they were like every single one of them was like, yeah, good,
and they were all just very They didn't say it
was bad. They were all just like not impressed at all,
and that that should have been the target demo.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Well, I'm a big Kendrick Lamar fan, so I really
liked it, and I could see how it might have
gone over the head of what what's the age r eeteen.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Year old katch.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Yeah, I think a lot of what he was saying
was kind of going over the head. But I mean,
it's just kind of how it is.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
It's going over the ahead of them.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Isn't it going over ahead of ninety eight percent of America?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I mean, then how is that good television?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Apparently it was because people loved it and it got
a good ratios. Oh, I got it got panned, though,
did it? I thought it?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I thought people complimented it. Everything I've seen it was
about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
It was about fifty. But that's perfect. Though it's fifty
to fifty. You couldn't ask for anything better.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Half the people are tuning into Hay. Half people are
tuning into love it exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I mean I didn't see a second of it, so
I can't come in at all. I did not give
a damn about any of it. I'm just not a
halftime show guy at all. I'm also apparently not over
Mike Homgeran getting a job by the Hall of Family
or notesday night we find the Sando cliff.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, the way I got It's a little line, but
I think there's a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I want to hear this.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I want to hear why Mike Sando thinks Mike Homgrian
got left out of the Hall of Fame Thursday night.
We'll do that next on ninety three three KJRFM Live.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
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Speaker 3 (21:50):
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Sports Book. I had a great time at the party
for the Super Bowl yesterday. I wonder how they do
the raid for bars and restaurants and things like that.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Well, yeah, like what about the house that I was at.
There's thirty people there. Yeah, yeah, watching three TVs in
one house?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Good question for our ratings guy? Whoever that guy don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I don't know John Ooran, maybe somebody like that sports
business whatever. Yeah, uh, but Mike's uh Sando was on
with Ian today and this happened after we're off the
air on Thursday. I was off Friday down at the
Wasted Management, by the way, which was amazing. Missed the
hole in one because we had to go leave and
see a buddy. So I blamed Todd Denis.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Blame the body.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, did you like dude, did you see that you're
right there? No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I was going to talk to somebody. You weren't the
only one that texted me. I heard from a lot
of people, so I feel terrible about it, But whatever
I thought. My friends are blaming me, which is bs.
But anyway, after we got off the air Thursday, did
anybody talk about why the NFL Honor show was blacked
out in Seattle?
Speaker 6 (22:55):
We didn't really know why.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's ridiculous. Number one, It's twenty twenty five. This isn't
nineteen eighty four on Koemy wanting Monday night football.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Two hours late. Every want to play the news. Yes,
Fox had the broadcast rights at nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Who the hell's watch on the stupid show at nine
when you already know who's won everything? Right, So that's
the dumb, dumb crap decision number one. And then dumb
crap decision number two was not putting Mike Congrid in
the freaking Hall of Fame. So I'm not really in
the mood to hear any of these excuses, by the way,
but we're gonna hear him anyway. Mike Sando with the
infer and Est today, explaining why he did not think
(23:30):
Mike Homgran made the Hall of Fame go ahead.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
I came out of the meeting knowing that he had
broad support, knowing that it went really well, and I
felt like, you know, I've been doing this the number
of years. You can just tell when somebody has crushed
the threshold and they're gonna get in. Okay, Now that
being said, what I didn't fully understand was how the
(23:57):
math would work. So my takeaway coming out of this is, Okay,
they made some changes to the process. We knew it
would make it harder, we didn't fully understand how it
would impact that coach Contributors senior bucket. In retrospect, I
feel like the coach contributor categories faced more of an
(24:24):
uphill battle than I realized going against three players. One
of the things they did about ten years ago is
they put the coaches and the contributors. They gave them
their own category. And so if this had been then
and Mike Holmgrean was the coach the coach candidate, he
would have breezed right in. But because they've now, they've
(24:45):
put the coach the contributor in with three senior players.
And by the way, one of those senior players was
somebody Mike Holmgeran himself has advocated stronly for for the
Hall of Fame and Starting Sharp. Starting Sharp is not
some guy who played in that we're picturing in black
and white and we don't really know what he was like.
Most of the people in the committee know that Sterling
Sharp was awesome. Yea, So he was almost like a
(25:09):
modern era player in here. So this feels like if
you're Mike Holmgren, or if you're his family, or if
you're a Seahawks fan, you're feeling like Mike Holmgren was
rejected by the voters. Mike Holmgren was very much embraced
by the voters. He just because of the way the
votes are divided, didn't get eighty percent. A little bit
(25:34):
of a surprise to me. I thought Sharp and Holmgren
were far and away the best two in that room,
and I would have thought they both made it, But
obviously they didn't both make it. We're going to talk
about all this stuff and air kind of concerns and
thoughts because I do feel like it kind of failed
Mike Holmgren this year based on where how everybody felt
(25:57):
about him, Like I think people thought he was going
to make it included, you know, the committee.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Okay, I'm glad Mike said that, because the whole the
committee totally failed Mike Hongrune And I just, you know,
for maybe I'm just way too close to this thing.
And I think I think if we knew about other
people and what was going on behind the scenes, we
might feel the same way about them. But you're messing
with people's emotions here.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You're talking about a seventy seven year old guy who's
got like ten grandkids, daughters desperately wanting to see him
on the Hall of Fame. You made him a finalist,
and you just gave him the biggest tease of his life,
the biggest tease of his life. You gave this guy, Dick.
If this was your dad, you'd be livid right now,
livid if this happened to your father.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Well, they made him. Let's let's be straight about what
they did do.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
They made him one of five finalists, right, Okay, right,
and then they didn't say anything else nothing.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
So how so, how was it?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
I mean, I guess I don't understand, Like, how was
it a tease for Mike any more than it was
a teas for any the other guys.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Uh, because three of the five guys are dead. Okay,
that's part of it. One guy killed his wife, literally
killed his wife. The other guy's been dead for eighty years.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Real, you're almost the owner of accusing the Hall of
Fame committee of teasing him unreasonably by making him a finalist,
because that's all they did, was make him a finalist.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
When you say teasing him unreasonably, whether it's reasonable or not,
they teased him, I don't give a damn how reasonable
it was. They teased him because every other coaching finalist
for the most part, except for this other guy that
nobody had ever heard of from like the Cardinals or Lions,
whatever it was last year or two years ago, they've
all gotten in.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Every single one, vermil Cower.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
All these guys that were suggested by the committee to
be the coaching finalist, they've all made it under different rules.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
They've all made it good.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But you know what, the different rules haven't changed enough
to justify keeping Mike out over any of these guys.
And by the way, I'm not buying the New Math
at all. I'm sorry, I'm just not buying it. I'm not,
and if I'm missing something here, feel free and or
Dick to jump in. Because here's the thing. They had
five dudes. You could vote for up to three of them. Okay,
only one of them made it was Stirling Sharp. So
(28:07):
you had to literally find eleven of the fifty voters
to not put Mike Holmgrin on their ballance, and they
did that.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And they did that.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
So this idea that well there was only room for
one now that's BS, Dick. There was room for three more.
It's the smallest Hall of Fame class in twenty years.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
And they were shocked by this Hall of Fame clas explained, Okay,
they were stunned out, totally ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I think that there was an unconscious in some ways
idea that they wanted to limit the size of the
Hall of Fame class. And when they started talking about that,
people then backed off and said, well, we're only gonna
put one guy in and not three guys in or
two guys in, because we've been putting too many people in.
So this new Math nonsense that people were throwing out there,
(28:53):
it's BS, because you absolutely had room for two more.
You could have put one, you could have put two
And you're telling me that you found eleven people to
either not put Mike Homgrin on their ballad or put
an a a guy who died eighty years ago, or
be a guy that killed his wife over him.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Are you freaking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
This was an absolute gigantic teas And on top of that,
and Mike would never speak for himself in that regard
because he's a humble guy and it would be embarrassing
for him. That's why he's got people like us doing
it for him on his behalf, either directly or indirectly.
He heard he was a finalist. You know how Mike
Cormgan find out he was a finalist from me? Because
I saw it on Twitter. Nobody from the Hall of
Fame called him. Nobody from the Hall of Fame said,
here's how the process works. Nobody from the Hall of
(29:33):
Fame said, here's when you'll know. Nobody from the Hall
of Fame said, here's when you'll find out if you
did make the Hall of Fame. He was literally finding
out on social media like everybody else, waiting for a
knock to come that never showed up, and watching a
TV show like the rest of us. It's ridiculous. And
I'm not just talking about Mike. I'm talking about all
these other guys the way they're treated. This has got
(29:54):
to stop, man, I mean, dude, first of all, you
heard Milliner earlier today.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If he's in the Hall of.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Fame today, he's like top ten, top fifteen, and almost
every major coaching seventh of the guys that are in
the Hall of Fame already.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
So what argument can you make to leave Mike Holungrin
out of all?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
There is?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
There is no argument.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
But I mean I am choosing to listen to that
sand To interview and get a completely different take than
you are. Yeah, well, because that the line that I
am taking with me and will take with me until
twenty twenty seven. Yes, when Mike is going to get in,
because Belichick's getting in next year. Quote, you know when
you feel someone has crossed the threshold and is going
to get in, and he's done that.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
But you don't sense the urgency the way I do.
I think that's I think it's disgusting that a seventy
seven year old man has to continue to wait to
make the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You just don't see the urgency. Adults.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I understand, I say, but he's only been a s
he's only been a finalist. Okay, well, first of all,
he should have been a finalist more than once. He
should have been a finalist five years ago. But that's
this is the reality thing that we have been bitching
about for a decade, Dick, a decade, and the idea
that well, he can just wait. I think that's ludicrous,
that it's an absolute ludicrous take for someone to have that.
(31:05):
Mike Congri needs to just continue to wait. Well, I'm
not saying he's seventy seven years old. He shouldn't have
to wait another damn day to make the Hall of Fame.
Not one day to make the Hall of Fame. Dick,
if he was fifty or had just retired, okay, fine,
but he's seventy seven, dude, who knows how much longer
the guy's got. I have no idea you think I thought, uh,
(31:27):
six months before my dad died, that he'd be dead
of brain cancer at eighty one years old. I never
thought that nobody has any idea how much time we've
got on this earth. Nobody has any clue how long
this thing's gonna last. And to continue to make this guy, Wait,
what didn't you keep telling me every time Vermeo made
it in COWI made it in Flower has made it
in No. You would say things like and I thought
(31:49):
you were correct. You know what, they want to take
care of the older guys, and they're.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Not doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
He's the next one, He's the next in line. He
Santo said that later in the year, he's not gonna
be next in line. Could have put him in right now.
But the fact that he does not make it this
year is the joke. There's there's nothing, and Sando said
this earlier. There is nothing to indicate that Mike Holmgrin
is not the first of those next three in line.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Now, yes, Belichick's an exception.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
He's going in next year because that's the first year
he's eligible, and I think all of us would.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Agree retires, he's gonna be the next one after that.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Okay, well, let's hope Andy Reid doesn't retire for two years.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
But again, that's that's two three more years he's got
to wait. And I just I I have a much
bigger problem with him having to wait at this age
than you do. A much bigger problem with it. And
you and I are just gonna have to dic.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
We've disagreed on this for as long as we're talking
about it. I'm not gonna change my stance on it. Look,
don't don't changeing, but my stance either.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think the fact that you were asking an almost
elderly man to wait as long as Mike Congrin's had
to wait for something he clearly deserves. If there was
a debate, if there was a controversy about this, if
it was like, Okay, we can go fifty to fifty,
you know whatever, that I can see.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
But the argument against him being left out is so strong,
so overly strong.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I don't just everybody should be livid that Mike
Homgrin is not in the Hall of Fame already, and
every year that this guy has to wait.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Is a Do you think, honestly, do you think people
are quote unquote livid or do you think people feel
like me that they are They are disappointed, They want
to see their guy in, but they feel like their
guy is going to get it. Do you really think
that people are driving around just freaking angry that Mike
Homgrin's not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Say, this is the difference between you and me, why
do I care what people think?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, because you just said you should feel your quote.
Everybody should feel livid because the argument is so freaking strong.
You always tell me I shouldn't tell people how to feel. Well,
you know what, Look when you're talking about something that,
to me should be so freaking obvious.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
The guy's seventy seven, Dick, have a heart.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
For God's sake, you're saying I'm not sympathetic to I
talked to him for an hour in person on Friday.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I don't think you are as sympathetic to his cause
as I am. I think I I think I am
way more concerned about how old he is. I'm way
more concerned about his kids having to wait. I'm way
more concerned about his grandkids having to wait. I'm way
more concerned about that than you. And if you're not
concerned about hey, Dick, that's your prerogative, okay, And I'm not.
I'm not trying to speak for other people. And if
I am, then I apologize.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I actually shouldn't do that, because in the end, I
don't give a damn what anybody else thinks. I can
speak for me. I have one brain and one mouth
and one thought.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And my thought is it's a crime that Mike com
Grant has to keep waiting to make the Hall of
Fame and the story.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I just mean, you don't agree, you don't agree.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
I don't want you painting me as unsympathetic to Mike
call I'm actually something that I think he's going to
go on the Hall of Fame because I do think
a he deserves it and.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Be he will.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm I'm surprised that you're not more upset about the
fact that the guy at his age, at his stage
of his life, has to continue to wait while lesser
people go in in front of him.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I'm slightly Who is the lesser person that went in
front of him this time? Nobody? This time? You kidd me?
Do we need more?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
The first time he's finalists, the first time ever he's
a finalist. Right, Nobody that deserved it less than him
got in.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Right? So what's so?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
What's the big contract? Because it's been a controversy for
five years? What are you crazy? Are you out of
your mind?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
The rules? Dick again? You again?
Speaker 6 (35:15):
You don't, you don't need to put down.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The rules are different.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
The rules are different this year than they've been the
last five years.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
You cannot compare twenty twenty five yes with twenty twenty one,
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, because it's a different
I just said that a rule.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
First of all, I just got done telling you I'm
not buying the rules. I'm not buying the best sun rule.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
That's what they are. But Dick, there's no explanation that
makes sense. The rules are the rules.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
He still could have gotten in easily, could have easily. Listen,
then don't say that. Don't sit there and tell me
he could have and then tell me the rules are different.
They had room for three people. I just got done
telling you that there's room for three people in the
Hall of Fame of these five, and they didn't put
him in.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
So you can.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You can bark and stream and yell all you want
about the rules of the rules. Now, the rules haven't
changed enough to keep him out. I'm sorry, Dick, they
just haven't. Well, they should enough to keep him out
in the reality, but they haven't changed enough to keep
him out.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's the whole point.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Cower never should have gotten in before him, Vermeial never
should have gotten before him, Flores never should have gotten
before So I can.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Keep going all day long.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
He was this is finalist then.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Dick, And that's the problem is he should have been
over all those lesser people. This has been pissing me
off for ten years. It's been a crime for ten years,
and it continues to be a crime. It's bull crap
that Mike Corman's not in the Hall of Fame. And
there's no other argument for it, none at all, period,
end of story. All Right, five forty six, let's uh,
let's get Let's call Ria Hughes uh and get her
(36:39):
on in the six pm hour.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Could we went late here with this? All right, We'll
talk to Ria. Get the Philadelphia perspective coming up around
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Speaker 3 (37:42):
Let me just recap last segment for those that we
have to Andrews, you want to recap what you heard
last segment?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Basically Softies upset and my congin doesn't get in and
then Dick feels a little more measured about it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, and that's where we're at.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
What Goork?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Which Look, I'm I'm very passionate about this, right.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I am sad and disappointed, but I'm measured.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, I'm a good word, and I'm not measured whatsoever.
I am beyond living and that's fine. I'm beyond living
you and that's me. That's that's why you, well, no,
I mean, that's why people love us, because it's the
yin and the y and there were too soft these
versus two dicks, And I guess I just said that
out loud. That'd be an issue, but I you know, look,
(38:26):
I mean, I I'm totally with you. I'm not telling
fans how a field. I don't want to ever do that.
Every now and then, I'll violate my own code. Nobody's perfect, right.
Every now and then you do something that you don't
believe is the right way to do something. I don't
want people to think. I'm yelling and screaming for them
to think just like me. I guess I would think
that every now and then there'd be something that would
come along where all of us could generally agree, if
(38:48):
not generally, almost and unanimously agree that this is a
freaking travesty. And I'm telling you, I told you on
Thursday night, I was heartbroke and I was sad, and
that that would have what was the name of the
volcano that you mentioned, Krakatoa, Krakatoa. Yeah, eventually I'm gonna
be Krakatoa. And I'm freaking piste that this guy's not
in the hall. It's an absolute joke that this guy's
(39:11):
not in the hall. You can save your math nonsense
and the new rules nonsense, and you can shove it
straight up your ass, every part of it, because it
doesn't excuse does an excuse?
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
What happened when they voted on this on January the fourteenth.
If you came to me and said, hey, of the five,
only one can make it, okay, great, I get that,
but that wasn't the case. Three of them could have
made it in and you purposely kept him out. Why
to limit the class, to limit the size? Is there
a vendetta against this guy because of what happened in Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Is there an issue with the with some relationships with
people in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I want to know why when three of the five
could have gotten in with eighty percent of the vote,
Why anybody why you would remotely think about either a
putting in a guy who died eighty years ago, or
be a guy that killed his wife over Mike or.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
I think I think it's the second, not the first.
I don't think it's putting anybody over him. I think
there was a lot of scrutiny that said, dude, you
guys screwed up the last few years. You put a
lot of people in the Hall. We want to pull
it back. So if there was any question in their
mind at all, they were gonna say, you know what,
I'm just gonna abstain.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
I'm just gonna vote Sterling and that's it.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I'm not going to push the envelope because we've been
criticized for years about how many people were putting in.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
That's my that's just my guess.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I mean it's I'm not saying you're wrong. It's
certainly possible that they did that. So now we have
a Hall of Fame committee, a voter who's afraid to
vote for Hall of Fame correct because it's just terrible,
because they're afraid of the reaction from Twitter.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I mean, are you kidding me like that? Now I'm
even more pissed off.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Sorry, we're gonna break God Anders pissed them will join
us from wuyp and Philadelphia next
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