February 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Coach Holmgren didn'y get into the HOF and we wonder what happened, the committe has obviously raised the bar but now theres coaches that are in that have lesser resume's than coach does. Mike MacDonald believes the Seahawks can win a championship with Geno Smith, do you? Lee Sterling from Paramount Sports joins the show to handicap the Super Bowl for us.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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dot Com. Mike Holmgren falling short of enough votes to
be elected into this year's class the NFL Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
The class of twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Twenty five has just four members this year, the smallest
in twenty years, with Antonio Gates, Eric Allen, Jared Allen,
and Sterling Sharp making the cut. Mike McDonald told our
friends over Fox thirteen that he wants Gino to be here,
that he feels like Gino's best for the team right now,
and you can win a Super Bowl championship with Gino Smith.
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Josh Allen edged out Lamar Jackson for the APMVP Award
in the closest vote since Matt Ryan beat Tom Brady
back in twenty sixteen. Saquon Barkley finished at distant third,
but did win the Offensive Player of the Year Award.
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We are here at the five twenty Bar and Grill
like we are normally here on Thursdays for the Mike
Holmgren Show.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
We have moved that to today.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And joining us here right now all the way down
from b Ham my Man Jackson Bevins from the Cigar
Thoughts podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Hey Man, thanks for coming down. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
What's up, brother, I'm so excited to be here. Man.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, I's telling Ian like there is just there is
just so much going on right now in the world
of sports, and you and I and we've joked about
it off the air, you know, a lot of times
you joined me in like July fifteenth, and it's like,
oh my goodness, there's we don't have football started yet.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We're talking like lebron and and.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Jordan and who's the goat? I mean, that's what's going
on on the in the middle of the summer. The
Mariners sometimes are in it, sometimes aren't in it. But
right now we just got so much going on. But
let's face it, the thing that's on a lot of
people's minds, and I think Ian said it perfectly. You know,
we want this to be a celebration of coach because
that's what's on people's want minds today. But we don't
want to ignore all the other stuff that's going on
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in the sports hold as well, because I don't think
coach Holmgren would want us to spend four hours talking
about you wanted to spend time talking about his guy
Andy Reid going into the Super Bowl trying to win
number three in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But uh, you know so I.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Think I think we uh we we we take some
time right now, wet your thoughts on on coach, We
get anders thoughts back in the studio on uh on
what happened last night, and then we kind of move
forward and we'll chat chat with Holmgren about it on
at four o'clock today, So you know your thoughts. I mean,
how surprised were you when when you found out that
Mike Homgrian wasn't gonna go in.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I was surprised. I was disappointed.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It was a loaded ballot this year, for sure. You know,
there's a lot of great NFL careers that were on
that ballot. But I think he gets in, you know,
I mean, just because he doesn't get in this year
doesn't mean he's never getting in.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think he has the resume for it.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I think for me, you know, I'm forty one years
old and Mike Holmeran coming to Seattle was one of
the most legitimizing moves, one of the first ones that
made me say, Okay, this is like a big boy team. Yeah,
they're getting this guy that won a Super Bowl almost
one two in a row, seems destined for the Hall
of Fame, and he's coming to Seattle. And there was
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a legitimate legitimacy that that lended to the Seahawks at
that time, at an age where I was just starting
to be old enough to like really understand what I
felt about the team in my opinions about the team,
and super grateful for that. And he delivered on it.
He built a really really good team here in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And how's things back in the studios? Everybody okay back there, Yeah, would.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Disappointed obviously, I think, especially as producers are kind of
we have to do things what we prepare as if
he's going to be like just in case and stuff,
and it was. It was definitely a letdown last night
when he found out, because I think going into it,
I was I was pretty confident. I know Ian was
pretty confident. I know you were pretty confident too, Jess
was pretty confident. I think most people I talked to,
except maybe Softy, you know, has that cynical side to him,
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was we're pretty confident that he was he was going
to get in this year. He was the only finals
for coach, so I think this was a great opportunity
for him. And it sucked because we went into it
kind of with all the stories from Hasselbeck and Brett
farre and you know, everyone kind of saying that he
should have been the guy to get in, but it
ends up not happening. So it's definitely disappointing, and especially
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me knowing him like personally and as we all do
here on the station, it sucks because I know how
much he wants this.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Absolutely, and you know, I'm disappointed as well. I did
think I was definitely over fifty to fifty that that
he was going to go in. I was in ninety ten,
but I was I was well over fifty to fifty.
I mean, I mean, I do think there is a
process to this thing. I mean, you look at the
guys that got invited yesterday from the other side of
the ledger, and I'll kind of explain what I mean
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about that. And the Athletic did a really nice job
of kind of breaking down the selection process. I mean,
you've got you now got two sides to how you
become a Hall of Famer. So thinking of like call
them A and call them B, all right, and callum A.
Is the fifty candidates narrowed down to twenty five, and
it's a fifty person selection committee that narrows down the
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modern era candidates from fifty down to twenty five. Now
Coach Holmgren is not on this side of the ledger,
then the twenty five are narrowed down to fifteen, the
fifteen down to ten, to ten down to seven, and
then your modern era ballot where each voter casts five
votes among the remaining seven finalists, and there's the eighty
percent threshold to earn induction. And then on the other
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side of the ledger, the side that coach is on,
you've got a senior committee that selects three final You
got a coach committee that selects one finalist, which was
Mike you select You've got a committee that selects one
finalist to the Football Contributor Committee, and those five finalists
are put in a separate bucket, and each voter cast
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three votes among the remaining five finalists. But they're kind
of competing against each other. But I do think there
is a process. I mean, Jared Allen was named a
Hall of Famer last night. He was a finalist five
times before he got in. Yep, not on the ballot
five times, a finalist five times before he got in.
Eric Allen was on was a finalist two times before
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he got in. Antonio Gates on the finalist two times
before he got in.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So there is a bit of a process.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So Jackson, I do think that Ian is right in
saying that we're okay for now and we're okay through
next year because we know who the coach is going
to be next year.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's gonna be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But it's twenty twenty seven that all of us sudden
if Mike Shanahan gets in, if somebody else gets in
that's not Mike Holm, and then maybe that's when we
start to worry about the process not working the way
we want it to work.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, I think so. I think it would be I
think it was mildly surprising that he didn't get in
this year. I think it would be truly shocking if
he went through his entire eligibility process and never got in,
never was seen by the voters and the folks who
are in charge of this process of what he did
not only in Green Bay but in Seattle and really
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elevating the overall level of legitimacy. Again, I think that
the Seahawks enjoyed when he came over. So yeah, I'm
just not worried about him getting in. I'm bummed he
didn't get in yet, but I'm not worried about him
never getting there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That's exactly how I feel as well. And maybe that's
not why.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's why I'm not as crestfallen, maybe as some are today,
because I'm like, Okay, it's just gonna take It's just
gonna take more time.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's not like Edgar being in year ten and that eligibility.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
He has to go with the Veterans Committee down the road,
and that would have been that would have been.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
A rough process.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But just I mean the validity is so there. I
mean you mentioned bringing what he brought here to Seattle
and the name he brought to Sattle before he ever
won a football game. That's right, twenty four seasons before
Mike Holmgren was hired by the Green Bay Packers. He
take those twenty four seasons before home greun. The Packers
made the playoffs twice in the twenty four years before
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Mike Comberan got there, and then Mike Holmgren led him
to the playoffs every single year he was the head coach,
other than year number one when he was turning the
crap around, right, So.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It took him one year to turn.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The ship around, and then he took him to the
playoffs every single year. And he gets to Seattle in
the twenty three years before he gets to Seattle, almost
the same amount of time we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
In Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
The Seahawks made the playoffs four times in twenty three years.
He in the playoffs six times in the next decade,
including the first Super Bowl ap period. So it's just
and and that's that's not even talking about what I
think his greatest strength is, and that's his working with
the quarterbacks and what he's done for these with these quarterbacks,
because when you look at these quarterbacks, I mean, how
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many sure things slam dunk future Hall of Fame quarterbacks
did he work with Brett Farvre wasn't until he got
his hand on him. Brett Favre was a loose cannon
wild thing.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
He was the Falcons backup with the Falcon sucking.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Matt hasselback. God bless him. Or was he sixth round drafts?
I mean he was not no sure thing whatsoever. You know,
It's just he had the Joe Montana had his best seasons.
Joe Montana was truly Joe Montana when Mike Holmgren was
the offensive coordinator. I mean, he was a very good
player and he had won Super Bowls, but he had
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his best years, his MVP years when Mike.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Holmgran was there.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
That's right. Yeah. And I think that Mike Holgrin the coach.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
You know, we talked a lot about him as a person,
but I think the actual x's and o's on the
field execution aspect of his career really bridged the old
NFL to the new NFL. He brought in an offense
along with Bill Walsh, that truly made passing first a
viable strategy in the NFL, and that did not exist
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before that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I heard Hugh talking, and then we'll have Hugh on
at five o'clock today. He made mention that Bill walsh
and in his book called Mike Hongran the greatest offensive
coach he's ever been around.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Wow, And that's.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Bill Walshe so those things, and I do think that,
like I talked about with Ian in the last segment,
I do think.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That the nation needs to know more about this.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, the nation knows who Mike Hongrin is, but
the nation needs to know the way the Mariners put
that information out about Edgar Martinez.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, and put all those.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Tweets out that were retweeted by Buster Olney and all
of the big heavy hitters in Major Ken Rosenthal, Yeah,
retweeting all this stuff that that the Mariners are putting
out about. Oh wait a second, I mean for right
handed hitters of all time, Edgar Martinez is up there
with bang bang boom, and and that's it, right stand
usual and like he's putting it. So it opened people's
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eyes up, because you know, I listened to a lot
and I watch a lot of the National I watch
more National stuff in the morning.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, I just kind of know what everybody's everybody's talking about.
And you know, it was.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Luke Keikley today that was that got shunned, not Mike Holmgrin.
It was Eli Manning that got shunned. And and but
that's the national Guess what. This isn't a local vote.
This is a national vote. So we have to take
what we know and put it national. So these clowns
that are not voting for him realize they should be.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Voting for him.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Well yeah, and you know, we'd love for this to
just be a hey, look at the resident. May take
the name off the resume. Here, here's the sheet of
paper says everything this player or coach did yes or no.
But just like the heisman, there is a campaigning aspect
that does need to go into it, because that's right
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because we are still human beings. It's still human beings
who are voting on this, and for as long as
that's the case, and it should be the case, you
do need to tell the story. Human beings are just
incarnate stories. That's how messages get through to us, it's
how our opinions change. So the Mike Holmgren story just
needs to be told more aggressively on a national level
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and you'll get in.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, last night was was bizarre because I was
at home looking forward to turning it on the television
and watching the NFL Honors and.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
What do you have and what you do you have
Fubo or what do you have?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
I had YouTube TV, But I found my way through
some other means that I shouldn't say over the.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay, there I gotcha.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I got to say, yeah, you got bluplop blup blop
as you were watching the you know, had all the
pap up ads. But you know so, but I heard
that the broad we couldn't watch a broadcast was blacked out.
But you know, you see all the things on Twitter
about how awful it was. I mean I think it
was you know, some high school you know, putting together
this the broadcast because you've got they misidentify the defensive
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Player of the year. They say Miles Garrett was the
winner and it was really Patrick Surtan. While Patrick Shirtan's
up there it says Miles Garrett winner of Defensive Player
of the Year. I mean, then the prompt, yeah it
must have been. And then you've got Justin Jefferson taking
the microphone, and he's nervous as hell, by the way,
you I mean you see that. I mean his hands
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are all like moving in front of him, and then
he he hits hits the microphone.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
He's like, oh sorry, and.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Then like five seconds after he does that, he's like,
oh man, the prompter went out, and so's the prompter
goes dead on Justin Jefferson, and then Eric Allen's getting
introduced as a Hall of Famer and they put.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Sterling Sharp on the screen. Uh huh, and it's just like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So I'm glad I didn't waste my time to watch it, think,
I mean what it was a total and utter clown
show last night. But you know that the thirty two
new members have been voted in over the last four years.
And that's the problem here because everybody said, Okay, let's
put the brakes on. And that's what's hurt Mike Hombran
now is because you had on average eight guys per
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year the last four years. I saw, you know, there
was a stat that was like, I don't know, it's
like a fifteen year runner, a twenty year run where
it was like one hundred and seventy nine have been
inducted in. I think it was like the last twenty years,
and the prior twenty years was like one hundred and nineteen.
So it's like totally spiked over the last over the
last twenty years. And so everybody's like, ah, there's too
many people going the Hall of Fame, which I I
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agree with. I think the Hall of Fame should be
the Hall of Fame. I mean, I agree with Dion's Sanders.
Dion came out a couple three years ago and it was like,
I mean, some of these guys are getting in.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
This is this is ridiculous. And the Hall listened and
they made it tighter.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
But the problem with making it tighter after you've already
made it looser is you're you're trying to jam the
tooth based back in the tube. And when you let
coaches like Bill Kauer get in, it's like, well now
what now, what did you do? You just say, whoops,
we made a mistake. We set the bar too low.
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And now no coaches anymore that were as good as
Bill Kauer are going to make it in.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
They have to be significantly better than Bill Kauer make
it in.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, well, and and I think it's a lot more
binary for coaches because I mean, it really is resume,
it's it's wins, losses, it's playoff success, and then like
on the side you can tell the story like did
they have you know, like don Cory Yell. His impact
on the game goes beyond what he did with and
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losses and all of that. Suff That's what I'm saying, Yeah,
is like the Mike Holmgren is one of those guys
where I mean, Bill Kauer, I'm so glad you brought
him up because to me, he's kind of the Eli
Manning of coaches where it's like, look, you look at
the titles and you look at playing for a blue
blood NFL franchise, It's like, okay, yes, if he had
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done that for the Titans right right where Houston Oilers
some you know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
He may especially now, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
One hundred percent. So even though I mean the Packers
are blue blood organization. That's that's honestly the most surprising
part of it. I get it if he was just
a Seahawks coach for twenty years, right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Or if he went with the Seahawks and you know
the Titans, like you said, just like, okay, But.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I mean, the Packers are the NFL's team, right. They
won the first two Super Bowls. They they are title town,
they're all of these things, and he brought them.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Back to that level.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I would have thought that first Super Bowl for getting
getting right back there the next year and barely losing
to the l Way Cinderella story. I thought that enough
would be enough to get him in. And then he
tacked on another eighty wins in Seattle.
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Speaker 4 (19:13):
We'll I wonder if he was on sixteen for Emiliano Grillo.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He just missed it by a few minutes, I Taxao,
did you watch Grio dunk it? Emiliano Grio dunked a
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He was walking around, probably getting a beverage or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
When he when that happened.
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But uh, we're gonna have Mike hon Gran on for
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Speaker 3 (19:45):
We want to talk a little Hawks right now.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And uh, evidently head coach Mike McDonald had a conversation
with our friends over at Fox thirteen Aaron Levine and
uh our old friend Curtis Crabtree about Gino Smith and
I'll read some of the transcript to you.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I'd understand the conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
McDonald said, it's pretty obvious this guy's a heck of
a quarterback. He's our quarterback. We love him, can't wait
to go back to work with him. We've had a
lot of non football conversations to keep it legal over
the last month, and I know he's really excited about
Clint taking over. He's a great player, man, and we
can win a championship with Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
We really believe that and can't wait to get back
to work with him. Your initial thoughts on what you
heard Mike McDonald say there about Geno Smith.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I think Mike McDonald learned a little lesson about being
the head coach of a football program. And when he
was first asked do you expect Geno Smith to be
a quarterback next year? And his response was a little flippant.
It was like, well, I don't see any reason why
he wouldn't, so I guess so. And the transcript of
that look terrible, terrible, Yeah, way worse than he wanted
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it to. I'm sure. So Coach Mike for coach Mike
right for jumping on the opportunity to say, Geno's the
guy we can win a super He basically answered all
the questions with that response, So, uh, I assume he
believes it. But even if he doesn't, that's just very smart.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Do you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I'm wondering if the Seahawks, the people that have to
pay the bills and pay Geno Smith and potentially rewrite
a contract for Geno Smith, I wonder if they love.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The head coach saying he's our guy.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
We can win a championship with him like us, Because
if I'm Gino's agent, I'm taking that transcript.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I'm writing that puppy.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Down word for word for word, and I'm gonna take
it right in there to to John Schneider's office.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I'm like, look what your head coach just said about
my client.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Man, I want fifty dollars a year for the next
three years. So that that worries me a little bit
because when I when I saw it, and I'm glad
you had a different and take the night did because I.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You know, I'm I'm more naive than you are.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know, I take I take things more at face
value than a lot of people take.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And I'm like, oh my god, he really loves Geno Smith.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is terrible, Right, We're gonna have him on our team,
pay forty plus million dollars a year for the next
three years. Well he tries to win a champion of
a Gino Smith. But I think you're right. I think
I think it was more. I think it was more
posturing than anything else. That being said, it probably moved
my will Geno be back meter from it was in
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the sixty ish percent range, I think get his move.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And closer to seventy five eighty.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Now after hearing that, I agree, And and look, everyone
who is familiar with my show and the writing I've
done knows that I'm a Geno Smith supporter.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I think that as a result of.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Very strongly defending Geno's performance as the Seahawks quarterback, I've
been painted into this corner of saying, like Geno's elite,
and you don't even consider getting a better quarterback, Like
there are better quarterbacks out there. There will be better
quarterbacks than Gino Smith that enter the NFL. That's not
what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I've yet to
hear a compelling case for the next guy to be made.
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What is the path right now? This is not the
year to pivot off Geno Smith. Those guys aren't in
this draft, and even if they were, Seattle's not in
a position to take them with the eighteenth overall pick,
and they have too many other holes to fill to
start trading multiple draft picks to move up to get
a quarterback. When you look at the reason that this
team didn't go further than they have the last two
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three years, quarterback is very low on that list of reasons.
Can you get better than Geno Smith a quarterback? Of course,
you can look at these two teams that are in
the super Bowl, but the cost of getting there, and
I mean the free agent quarterbacks this year are dusted
like you just can't force it just because you don't
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think Gino Smith is Joe Burrow, who by the way,
has never won a Super Bowl, or you don't think
he's Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, who by the way,
have never won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
The Ryan Grubb insertion into this offense, as anybody that
listens to show will tell you, I've been critical of
from day one, and Softie and I have battled since
September because I just could not understand why he wanted
to put so much onus on Gino Smith's shoulders to
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win football games, because that is clearly a not what
great teams are doing right now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Look at all the great teams.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They're not putting heavy onus on the quarterback to win
football games. They're putting onus on the run game to
win football games, and the defense to win football games.
And then when you have such a bad offensive line,
to drop Gino back as many times as you did
to me was just ludicrous. So were you a fan
of the firing of Ryan Grubb? And how and how
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much was Ryan Grubb to blame for just the turnover
fest that Gino had this year that he did not
have the prior seasons.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, you know, I think that one thing that doesn't
It's not a super popular take because it's not incendiary
in anyway, but turnovers are very, very lucky. There's a
stat out there that is turnover worthy throws that I
think is the most important thing, and Gino Smith has
been very consistent on the percentage of his throws that
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are turnover worthy, and it is lower than average. In
twenty twenty two, his first year, his turnover worthy throws
were basically the same that it was this year.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
He just had a lot of luck. Lot of luck.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, heed that, and then that luck regressed, because that's
what happens over any significant sample size is statistics regress.
So Gino was unlucky with interception luck this year. He
was very lucky with it in twenty twenty two. What
you have is a quarterback that you're right had too
much put on him with that offensive line in front.
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So was I a fan of moving on from Ryan Grubb?
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
But it's less about that play calling and how I
feel about it, and more about the fact that Mike
McDonald very clearly did not agree philosophically with Ryan Grubb.
And that's what I need, more than anything I want
coaches to do in terms of run pass splits. I
want the head coach and his play callers to be
on the same page.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Which is bizarre to me because you've got a head
coach that wants one thing done and he's the boss
of the offensive coordinator, Yes, sir, and the offensive coordinator
is I Would you call it in subordination?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Would you just call it not on the same page?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Would you like the roar shock test like you're seeing
the same picture, but Mike McDonald sees a butterfly and
Mike McDonald sees a t rex.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I mean, is that, like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Understand the disconnect between those two guys over such a
long period. We were talking six months of disconnect between
these two guys.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I understand it.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, that one's really that one's really tough to square.
And the fact that it lasted for as long as
it did means that it's probably.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Time to cut bait now.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Now, you know, is Mike McDonald going to be more
philosophically aligned with Clint Kubiak?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
But also, I don't think it matters if you hire
God himself as your offensive coordinator. If you're gonna rush
out the thirty first best offensive line every.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Year, God runs a wishbones. You know that.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I yesone real.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Can't do it with this line.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
No, you definitely can't do it this. You mentioned the
quarterback that so there's no quarterback in this draft that
you think might be sleeper, a guy that you can
like Russell Wilson parts that you can snag in late second,
late third, that you can put behind Gino for a
couple of years and be like Hey, this guy's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
I think if you squint really hard, you can see
that with Jackson Dart or Jaln Milroe, that's not really
for what it's actually going to cost in draft capital
to get one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
This always happens. Quarterbacks are going to get steamed up.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
So now are you using You're certainly you should not
be using the number eighteen pick on either of those guys,
or Dylan Gabriel or so, now are you using the
fiftieth pick on that?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
When you need lineman, you need off ball linebacker.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Right if you are going to have to, I just
want to, don't.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I just don't see anybody in this draft that's like
significantly better than Sam Howell. Keep Sam Howell there for
a year. You're gonna have way better options, certainly in
the draft and probably in free agency than you.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Have this year.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And it's okay. If the next guy sits behind Geno
Smith for a year or two, that is okay. We've
seen very successful quarterback transitions do that, so we shouldn't
be scared of it. But when you have as many
other pressing needs to address, using your most valuable chips
to reach for a quarterback would be very bad process.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
In my opinion, who's going to win the Super Bowl
will be high scoring, low scoring? And most importantly will
the national anthem run over or under the allotted time
that Vegas thinks it's going to.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Lee Sterling will fill us in.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
He'll give you all the bets for the Super Bowl
coming up next On ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
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Speaker 2 (30:00):
Welcome back five twenty bar and Grill in Bellevue in
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Speaker 3 (30:08):
Hasn't been with us for a while. Lee Sterling joined us.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
How you doing man, I'm good, I'm good. Great run
here in the NFL playoffs. I wish I wish football
wasn't ending. Usually I'm ready to move on, you know,
even though I love football. But on a nine to
one run in the NFL playoffs, so oh beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And you're hot with us as well.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
The last two time, last three times we had you on,
you've been well over five hundred. Now you're you're about
seven eight games over five hundred now with us on
the on the season, and uh, you know, every time
we talk to you before the Super Bowl, everybody's waiting
with baited breath to hear what your daughter has to say.
The professional singer. How many how many NBA games has
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your daughter sang the national anthem for?
Speaker 7 (30:55):
I think it's like ten or eleven. He's done a
couple of NFL games and for the Bears, done for
the Orange Bowl football game. So uh uh, here's what
she says. So this is an really interesting national anthem.
They have someone named John Batista. Are you familiar all
with him?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I am not. You know Jackson, Okay, Jackson. Jackson's younger
than I am. So he knows he's okay, he knows
who he is, all right.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
All right, So here's the problem. He, for instance, the
last time he has sung the national anthem a few times,
but he also uses different instruments. So the last time
he sang when they brought the NBA back into the
bubble and they started playing again, he sang, didn't sing it,
actually played in the studio. He did half of it
(31:43):
playing the guitar. The first half and the last half
of the national anthem on a piano.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Wow, so.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Him sing, yeah, I mean he could, he could start there.
There is a chance and even said he was interviewed,
there is chance that he might change his mind a
couple of days before and just do it totally different.
So if he just sings it, if you can find
a prop where it's singing only he's not playing an instrument,
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she feels it will go under the two minutes in
four seconds. If the prop is not worded that way,
you know, he could start playing the guitar, then sing,
and then play the piano and finish up singing. Who knows.
So it's going to be interesting. He is talented. I
mean just listening to him play the guitar and the
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piano doing the national anthem was was good. But it's
probably one of the toughest national anthems ever to predict.
Only if he's singing the entire thing and it's worded
that way, would we go with.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
The under Yeah, I mean that he's a complete wild
card because we don't know. There's a chance he doesn't
even open his mouth.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
That's where or like I said, he might do it
half half one way and and hats the other. You know,
he might have a gospel behind him, who knows, you know,
who knows what he's gonna do.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I mean, I'd be all on board with that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So you know a lot of people out here talking
about the Super Bowl, they're wasting their time talking about
stuff is actually happening on the field. And I think
what's most important is the cottage industry of prop bets
that are all around it. So I got a couple
of favorites, and I want to keep your thoughts on them.
One's Gatorade color. I'm going orange at plus five hundred.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
Okay, that seems to be the popular choice and not again.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah, I was actually really surprised that it wasn't even
one of the top three options.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You know, Purple's been dumped on Andy Reid the last
two years, but it was orange the first time. And
then the one that I'm most excited about putting money
on is Kendrick Lamars first song at halftime.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I think he goes with swimming.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Pools and that's like eight high odds at seven plus
seven fifty.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
You got thoughts on that?
Speaker 7 (34:04):
I really don't, you know, there's some there's I mean,
every year they come up with different props. First time
ever I saw one. A will there be a score
of GOMI and the Seahawks were involved with the last
one against Denver when they won forty three to eight
in twenty fourteen. You can get that at twenty to one.
You know, both teams run a lot of two point conversions,
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so could see a score of goami and that that's
twenty one.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
That is what score GAMI is.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Again, is a score that's never taken place before in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Gotcha? Yeah, So the NFL not just the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
The NFL is not just just in the It's gotta
be in the entire NFL. And there's always a few
of them every single year. Now, on top of that,
how about any offensive lineman to score touchdown at eighteen
to one? I like that. You know, both teams run
the tackle eligible and also it could happen as far
as a fumble in the end zone where alignment falls
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on it. So eighteen to one, you want to take
a shot there. Are you familiar with what an octopus is?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
What's an octopus?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Scoring a touchdown? That's same person's course, the two point conversion.
So that's fourteen to one, and my favorite is he
over two and a half times? Will Philadelphia run the
tush bush? I think he'll do that four or five times?
Love I love that.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
How about how about player props? Any individual are your
favorite player props?
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah? Sa Kwon Barkley. I think it starts and ends
with him. I think most people realize he's going to
have to have a big game that Philadelphia wins. It's
over under rushing yards one hundred and sixteen and a half.
So he's averaged one hundred and forty seven yards in
the playoffs, but there has not been a running back
to run for more than one hundred and seventeen yards
since two thousand and three. That was Michael Pittman for
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the Bucks against the Raiders. So I think Steve spagnol
is going to come up with a game plan to
limit him and make Hertz throw the foot fall. And
if that's the case. A lot of people love Dallas
Goddard over fifty two and a half receiving yards. I
actually like DeVante Smith better. And the last Super Bowl
he caught seven passes for one hundred yards. The two
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other times against Steve Spagnola defense is seven for one
hundred and twenty two and six for ninety nine, I
like over fifty and a half receiving yards there. And
for Kansas City, the two I like moster most first
downs at plus one oh five, they just slowly matriculate
down the field, and under eight and a half players
catch a pass. Since ju Ju Smith Schuster came back,
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he's been their third down receiver. They don't go to
the backup tight ends a whole lot. So let's go
under eight and a half players to catch a pass.
And my favorite is shortest touchdown one and a half yards.
I mean Philly with a tush push, you've got if
there's a if there's an interference in the end zone,
they bring the ball to the one yard line. And
Kansas City, they like a lot of times, will bring
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Travis Kelcey in motion and he goes under center and
then does the sneak. So under one and a half
yards on the shortest touchdown And if you want to
take a chance on the long shot MVP. I think
the public is so tired of Kansas City winning. And
Patrick Mahomes, I think there's I think you got to
look to maybe you know he's only averaging like one
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hundred and eighty two d and twenty yards a game.
It seems like every game now. Travis Kelcey, if he
catches balls for let's say seventy five to one hundred
yards and a touchdown, and maybe scores a touchdown running
the football on an inside handoff, I think you could
see him at plus sixteen take it home. We've never
had a tight end when the MVP. If that happens,
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next time we talk the Wednesday before March Madness, my
phone might be forwarded to Boor or.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Bory Land on that one.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well before it got let you go, we got about
forty five seconds. Give us the final. So that you
give us a final, we'll know who you're taking Andy
over under.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
Okay, So I'm gonna combine it. I'm gonna do a
two team six point teaser. I just think it's gonna
be a game like Buffalo and Baltimore decided on the
last possession. I'm gonna tease Philadelphia up to seven and
a half. I think this will be a tight game,
and I'm gonna take the total at forty eight and
a half, bring it down to forty two and a
half and play the over all I need is a
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twenty three to twenty game whoever wins or higher. I'm
a winner.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Love it. Thanks Lee, appreciate it. We will talk to
you in six weeks or so for March Madness.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Okay, sounds good, guys, take its man.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's Lee Sterlink Paramount Sports. You can find him at
Paramount sports dot com.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
The coach is here. He has entered the building our
Hall of Famer. Damn it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
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dot Com. Mike Holmgren falling short of enough votes to
be elected into this year's class the NFL Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
The class of twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Twenty five has just four members this year, the smallest
in twenty years, with Antonio Gates, Eric Allen, Jared Allen,
and Sterling Sharp making the cut. Mike McDonald told our
friends over Fox thirteen that he wants Gino to be here,
that he feels like Gino's best for the team right now,
and you can win a Super Bowl championship with Gino Smith.
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Josh Allen edged out Lamar Jackson for the APMVP Award
in the closest vote since Matt Ryan beat Tom Brady
back in twenty sixteen. Saquon Barkley finished at distant third,
but did win the Offensive Player of the Year Award.
Crack and loser third straight his time to Toronto three
to one last night at Climate Pledge. They faced Calgary
tomorrow at seven o'clock in their final game before the
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in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty before she left the
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Speaker 3 (02:17):
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Speaker 2 (02:19):
We are here at the five twenty Bar and Grill
like we are normally here on Thursdays for the Mike
Holmgren Show.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
We have moved that to today.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And joining us here right now all the way down
from b Ham my Man Jackson Bevins from the Cigar
Thoughts podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Hey Man, thanks for coming down. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
What's up, brother, I'm so excited to be here. Man.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, I's telling Ian like there is just there is
just so much going on right now in the world
of sports, and you and I and we've joked about
it off the air, you know, a lot of times
you joined me in like July fifteenth, and it's like,
oh my goodness, there's we don't have football started yet.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We're talking like lebron and and.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Jordan and who's the goat? I mean, that's what's going
on on the in the middle of the summer. The
Mariners sometimes are in it, sometimes aren't in it. But
right now we just got so much going on. But
let's face it, the thing that's on a lot of
people's minds, and I think Ian said it perfectly. You know,
we want this to be a celebration of coach because
that's what's on people's want minds today. But we don't
want to ignore all the other stuff that's going on
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in the sports hold as well, because I don't think
coach Holmgren would want us to spend four hours talking
about you wanted to spend time talking about his guy
Andy Reid going into the Super Bowl trying to win
number three in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But uh, you know so I.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Think I think we uh we we we take some
time right now, wet your thoughts on on coach, We
get anders thoughts back in the studio on uh on
what happened last night, and then we kind of move
forward and we'll chat chat with Holmgren about it on
at four o'clock today, So you know your thoughts. I mean,
how surprised were you when when you found out that
Mike Homgrian wasn't gonna go in.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I was surprised. I was disappointed.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It was a loaded ballot this year, for sure. You know,
there's a lot of great NFL careers that were on
that ballot. But I think he gets in, you know,
I mean, just because he doesn't get in this year
doesn't mean he's never getting in.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think he has the resume for it.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I think for me, you know, I'm forty one years
old and Mike Holmeran coming to Seattle was one of
the most legitimizing moves, one of the first ones that
made me say, Okay, this is like a big boy team. Yeah,
they're getting this guy that won a Super Bowl almost
one two in a row, seems destined for the Hall
of Fame, and he's coming to Seattle. And there was
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a legitimate legitimacy that that lended to the Seahawks at
that time, at an age where I was just starting
to be old enough to like really understand what I
felt about the team in my opinions about the team,
and super grateful for that. And he delivered on it.
He built a really really good team here in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And how's things back in the studios? Everybody okay back there, Yeah, would.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Disappointed obviously, I think, especially as producers are kind of
we have to do things what we prepare as if
he's going to be like just in case and stuff,
and it was. It was definitely a letdown last night
when he found out, because I think going into it,
I was I was pretty confident. I know Ian was
pretty confident. I know you were pretty confident too, Jess
was pretty confident. I think most people I talked to,
except maybe Softy, you know, has that cynical side to him,
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was we're pretty confident that he was he was going
to get in this year. He was the only finals
for coach, so I think this was a great opportunity
for him. And it sucked because we went into it
kind of with all the stories from Hasselbeck and Brett
farre and you know, everyone kind of saying that he
should have been the guy to get in, but it
ends up not happening. So it's definitely disappointing, and especially
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me knowing him like personally and as we all do
here on the station, it sucks because I know how
much he wants this.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Absolutely, and you know, I'm disappointed as well. I did
think I was definitely over fifty to fifty that that
he was going to go in. I was in ninety ten,
but I was I was well over fifty to fifty.
I mean, I mean, I do think there is a
process to this thing. I mean, you look at the
guys that got invited yesterday from the other side of
the ledger, and I'll kind of explain what I mean
(06:08):
about that. And the Athletic did a really nice job
of kind of breaking down the selection process. I mean,
you've got you now got two sides to how you
become a Hall of Famer. So thinking of like call
them A and call them B, all right, and callum A.
Is the fifty candidates narrowed down to twenty five, and
it's a fifty person selection committee that narrows down the
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modern era candidates from fifty down to twenty five. Now
Coach Holmgren is not on this side of the ledger,
then the twenty five are narrowed down to fifteen, the
fifteen down to ten, to ten down to seven, and
then your modern era ballot where each voter casts five
votes among the remaining seven finalists, and there's the eighty
percent threshold to earn induction. And then on the other
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side of the ledger, the side that coach is on,
you've got a senior committee that selects three final You
got a coach committee that selects one finalist, which was
Mike you select You've got a committee that selects one
finalist to the Football Contributor Committee, and those five finalists
are put in a separate bucket, and each voter cast
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three votes among the remaining five finalists. But they're kind
of competing against each other. But I do think there
is a process. I mean, Jared Allen was named a
Hall of Famer last night. He was a finalist five
times before he got in. Yep, not on the ballot
five times, a finalist five times before he got in.
Eric Allen was on was a finalist two times before
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he got in. Antonio Gates on the finalist two times
before he got in.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So there is a bit of a process.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So Jackson, I do think that Ian is right in
saying that we're okay for now and we're okay through
next year because we know who the coach is going
to be next year.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's gonna be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But it's twenty twenty seven that all of us sudden
if Mike Shanahan gets in, if somebody else gets in
that's not Mike Holm, and then maybe that's when we
start to worry about the process not working the way
we want it to work.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, I think so. I think it would be I
think it was mildly surprising that he didn't get in
this year. I think it would be truly shocking if
he went through his entire eligibility process and never got in,
never was seen by the voters and the folks who
are in charge of this process of what he did
not only in Green Bay but in Seattle and really
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elevating the overall level of legitimacy. Again, I think that
the Seahawks enjoyed when he came over. So yeah, I'm
just not worried about him getting in. I'm bummed he
didn't get in yet, but I'm not worried about him
never getting there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That's exactly how I feel as well. And maybe that's
not why.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's why I'm not as crestfallen, maybe as some are today,
because I'm like, Okay, it's just gonna take It's just
gonna take more time.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's not like Edgar being in year ten and that eligibility.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
He has to go with the Veterans Committee down the road,
and that would have been that would have been.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
A rough process.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But just I mean the validity is so there. I
mean you mentioned bringing what he brought here to Seattle
and the name he brought to Sattle before he ever
won a football game. That's right, twenty four seasons before
Mike Holmgren was hired by the Green Bay Packers. He
take those twenty four seasons before home greun. The Packers
made the playoffs twice in the twenty four years before
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Mike Comberan got there, and then Mike Holmgren led him
to the playoffs every single year he was the head coach,
other than year number one when he was turning the
crap around, right, So.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It took him one year to turn.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The ship around, and then he took him to the
playoffs every single year. And he gets to Seattle in
the twenty three years before he gets to Seattle, almost
the same amount of time we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
In Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
The Seahawks made the playoffs four times in twenty three years.
He in the playoffs six times in the next decade,
including the first Super Bowl ap period. So it's just
and and that's that's not even talking about what I
think his greatest strength is, and that's his working with
the quarterbacks and what he's done for these with these quarterbacks,
because when you look at these quarterbacks, I mean, how
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many sure things slam dunk future Hall of Fame quarterbacks
did he work with Brett Farvre wasn't until he got
his hand on him. Brett Favre was a loose cannon
wild thing.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
He was the Falcons backup with the Falcon sucking.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Matt hasselback. God bless him. Or was he sixth round drafts?
I mean he was not no sure thing whatsoever. You know,
It's just he had the Joe Montana had his best seasons.
Joe Montana was truly Joe Montana when Mike Holmgren was
the offensive coordinator. I mean, he was a very good
player and he had won Super Bowls, but he had
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his best years, his MVP years when Mike.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Holmgran was there.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
That's right. Yeah. And I think that Mike Holgrin the coach.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
You know, we talked a lot about him as a person,
but I think the actual x's and o's on the
field execution aspect of his career really bridged the old
NFL to the new NFL. He brought in an offense
along with Bill Walsh, that truly made passing first a
viable strategy in the NFL, and that did not exist
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before that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I heard Hugh talking, and then we'll have Hugh on
at five o'clock today. He made mention that Bill walsh
and in his book called Mike Hongran the greatest offensive
coach he's ever been around.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Wow, And that's.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Bill Walshe so those things, and I do think that,
like I talked about with Ian in the last segment,
I do think.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That the nation needs to know more about this.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, the nation knows who Mike Hongrin is, but
the nation needs to know the way the Mariners put
that information out about Edgar Martinez.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, and put all those.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Tweets out that were retweeted by Buster Olney and all
of the big heavy hitters in Major Ken Rosenthal, Yeah,
retweeting all this stuff that that the Mariners are putting
out about. Oh wait a second, I mean for right
handed hitters of all time, Edgar Martinez is up there
with bang bang boom, and and that's it, right stand
usual and like he's putting it. So it opened people's
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eyes up, because you know, I listened to a lot
and I watch a lot of the National I watch
more National stuff in the morning.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, I just kind of know what everybody's everybody's talking about.
And you know, it was.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Luke Keikley today that was that got shunned, not Mike Holmgrin.
It was Eli Manning that got shunned. And and but
that's the national Guess what. This isn't a local vote.
This is a national vote. So we have to take
what we know and put it national. So these clowns
that are not voting for him realize they should be.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Voting for him.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Well yeah, and you know, we'd love for this to
just be a hey, look at the resident. May take
the name off the resume. Here, here's the sheet of
paper says everything this player or coach did yes or no.
But just like the heisman, there is a campaigning aspect
that does need to go into it, because that's right
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because we are still human beings. It's still human beings
who are voting on this, and for as long as
that's the case, and it should be the case, you
do need to tell the story. Human beings are just
incarnate stories. That's how messages get through to us, it's
how our opinions change. So the Mike Holmgren story just
needs to be told more aggressively on a national level
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and you'll get in.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, last night was was bizarre because I was
at home looking forward to turning it on the television
and watching the NFL Honors and.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
What do you have and what you do you have
Fubo or what do you have?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
I had YouTube TV, But I found my way through
some other means that I shouldn't say over the.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay, there I gotcha.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I got to say, yeah, you got bluplop blup blop
as you were watching the you know, had all the
pap up ads. But you know so, but I heard
that the broad we couldn't watch a broadcast was blacked out.
But you know, you see all the things on Twitter
about how awful it was. I mean I think it
was you know, some high school you know, putting together
this the broadcast because you've got they misidentify the defensive
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Player of the year. They say Miles Garrett was the
winner and it was really Patrick Surtan. While Patrick Shirtan's
up there it says Miles Garrett winner of Defensive Player
of the Year. I mean, then the prompt, yeah it
must have been. And then you've got Justin Jefferson taking
the microphone, and he's nervous as hell, by the way,
you I mean you see that. I mean his hands
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are all like moving in front of him, and then
he he hits hits the microphone.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
He's like, oh sorry, and.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Then like five seconds after he does that, he's like,
oh man, the prompter went out, and so's the prompter
goes dead on Justin Jefferson, and then Eric Allen's getting
introduced as a Hall of Famer and they put.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Sterling Sharp on the screen. Uh huh, and it's just like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So I'm glad I didn't waste my time to watch it, think,
I mean what it was a total and utter clown
show last night. But you know that the thirty two
new members have been voted in over the last four years.
And that's the problem here because everybody said, Okay, let's
put the brakes on. And that's what's hurt Mike Hombran
now is because you had on average eight guys per
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year the last four years. I saw, you know, there
was a stat that was like, I don't know, it's
like a fifteen year runner, a twenty year run where
it was like one hundred and seventy nine have been
inducted in. I think it was like the last twenty years,
and the prior twenty years was like one hundred and nineteen.
So it's like totally spiked over the last over the
last twenty years. And so everybody's like, ah, there's too
many people going the Hall of Fame, which I I
(15:54):
agree with. I think the Hall of Fame should be
the Hall of Fame. I mean, I agree with Dion's Sanders.
Dion came out a couple three years ago and it was like,
I mean, some of these guys are getting in.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
This is this is ridiculous. And the Hall listened and
they made it tighter.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
But the problem with making it tighter after you've already
made it looser is you're you're trying to jam the
tooth based back in the tube. And when you let
coaches like Bill Kauer get in, it's like, well now
what now, what did you do? You just say, whoops,
we made a mistake. We set the bar too low.
(16:30):
And now no coaches anymore that were as good as
Bill Kauer are going to make it in.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
They have to be significantly better than Bill Kauer make
it in.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, well, and and I think it's a lot more
binary for coaches because I mean, it really is resume,
it's it's wins, losses, it's playoff success, and then like
on the side you can tell the story like did
they have you know, like don Cory Yell. His impact
on the game goes beyond what he did with and
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losses and all of that. Suff That's what I'm saying, Yeah,
is like the Mike Holmgren is one of those guys
where I mean, Bill Kauer, I'm so glad you brought
him up because to me, he's kind of the Eli
Manning of coaches where it's like, look, you look at
the titles and you look at playing for a blue
blood NFL franchise, It's like, okay, yes, if he had
(17:23):
done that for the Titans right right where Houston Oilers
some you know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
He may especially now, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
One hundred percent. So even though I mean the Packers
are blue blood organization. That's that's honestly the most surprising
part of it. I get it if he was just
a Seahawks coach for twenty years, right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Or if he went with the Seahawks and you know
the Titans, like you said, just like, okay, But.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I mean, the Packers are the NFL's team, right. They
won the first two Super Bowls. They they are title town,
they're all of these things, and he brought them.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Back to that level.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I would have thought that first Super Bowl for getting
getting right back there the next year and barely losing
to the l Way Cinderella story. I thought that enough
would be enough to get him in. And then he
tacked on another eighty wins in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
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Sure, I think you're pretty fired up about what's going on.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
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Speaker 3 (19:04):
Today, Safti's down in Scottsdale at the Wasted Management.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
We'll I wonder if he was on sixteen for Emiliano Grillo.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He just missed it by a few minutes, I Taxao,
did you watch Grio dunk it? Emiliano Grio dunked a
hole in one like you And if you look at
it close up, it was it dunked in and it
spun him around the cup like six times. I don't
think I've ever seen a ball do that before. Very
very cool. Check that out. But no, Saftie missed that.
(19:37):
He was walking around, probably getting a beverage or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
When he when that happened.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But uh, we're gonna have Mike hon Gran on for
four to five million at five o'clock.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
We want to talk a little Hawks right now.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And uh, evidently head coach Mike McDonald had a conversation
with our friends over at Fox thirteen Aaron Levine and
uh our old friend Curtis Crabtree about Gino Smith and
I'll read some of the transcript to you.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I'd understand the conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
McDonald said, it's pretty obvious this guy's a heck of
a quarterback. He's our quarterback. We love him, can't wait
to go back to work with him. We've had a
lot of non football conversations to keep it legal over
the last month, and I know he's really excited about
Clint taking over. He's a great player, man, and we
can win a championship with Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
We really believe that and can't wait to get back
to work with him. Your initial thoughts on what you
heard Mike McDonald say there about Geno Smith.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I think Mike McDonald learned a little lesson about being
the head coach of a football program. And when he
was first asked do you expect Geno Smith to be
a quarterback next year? And his response was a little flippant.
It was like, well, I don't see any reason why
he wouldn't, so I guess so. And the transcript of
that look terrible, terrible, Yeah, way worse than he wanted
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it to. I'm sure. So Coach Mike for coach Mike
right for jumping on the opportunity to say, Geno's the
guy we can win a super He basically answered all
the questions with that response, So, uh, I assume he
believes it. But even if he doesn't, that's just very smart.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Do you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I'm wondering if the Seahawks, the people that have to
pay the bills and pay Geno Smith and potentially rewrite
a contract for Geno Smith, I wonder if they love.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The head coach saying he's our guy.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
We can win a championship with him like us, Because
if I'm Gino's agent, I'm taking that transcript.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I'm writing that puppy.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Down word for word for word, and I'm gonna take
it right in there to to John Schneider's office.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I'm like, look what your head coach just said about
my client.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Man, I want fifty dollars a year for the next
three years. So that that worries me a little bit
because when I when I saw it, and I'm glad
you had a different and take the night did because I.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You know, I'm I'm more naive than you are.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know, I take I take things more at face
value than a lot of people take.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And I'm like, oh my god, he really loves Geno Smith.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is terrible, Right, We're gonna have him on our team,
pay forty plus million dollars a year for the next
three years. Well he tries to win a champion of
a Gino Smith. But I think you're right. I think
I think it was more. I think it was more
posturing than anything else. That being said, it probably moved
my will Geno be back meter from it was in
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the sixty ish percent range, I think get his move.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And closer to seventy five eighty.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Now after hearing that, I agree, And and look, everyone
who is familiar with my show and the writing I've
done knows that I'm a Geno Smith supporter.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I think that as a result of.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Very strongly defending Geno's performance as the Seahawks quarterback, I've
been painted into this corner of saying, like Geno's elite,
and you don't even consider getting a better quarterback, Like
there are better quarterbacks out there. There will be better
quarterbacks than Gino Smith that enter the NFL. That's not
what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I've yet to
hear a compelling case for the next guy to be made.
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What is the path right now? This is not the
year to pivot off Geno Smith. Those guys aren't in
this draft, and even if they were, Seattle's not in
a position to take them with the eighteenth overall pick,
and they have too many other holes to fill to
start trading multiple draft picks to move up to get
a quarterback. When you look at the reason that this
team didn't go further than they have the last two
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three years, quarterback is very low on that list of reasons.
Can you get better than Geno Smith a quarterback? Of course,
you can look at these two teams that are in
the super Bowl, but the cost of getting there, and
I mean the free agent quarterbacks this year are dusted
like you just can't force it just because you don't
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think Gino Smith is Joe Burrow, who by the way,
has never won a Super Bowl, or you don't think
he's Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, who by the way,
have never won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
The Ryan Grubb insertion into this offense, as anybody that
listens to show will tell you, I've been critical of
from day one, and Softie and I have battled since
September because I just could not understand why he wanted
to put so much onus on Gino Smith's shoulders to
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win football games, because that is clearly a not what
great teams are doing right now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Look at all the great teams.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They're not putting heavy onus on the quarterback to win
football games. They're putting onus on the run game to
win football games, and the defense to win football games.
And then when you have such a bad offensive line,
to drop Gino back as many times as you did
to me was just ludicrous. So were you a fan
of the firing of Ryan Grubb? And how and how
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much was Ryan Grubb to blame for just the turnover
fest that Gino had this year that he did not
have the prior seasons.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, you know, I think that one thing that doesn't
It's not a super popular take because it's not incendiary
in anyway, but turnovers are very, very lucky. There's a
stat out there that is turnover worthy throws that I
think is the most important thing, and Gino Smith has
been very consistent on the percentage of his throws that
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are turnover worthy, and it is lower than average. In
twenty twenty two, his first year, his turnover worthy throws
were basically the same that it was this year.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
He just had a lot of luck. Lot of luck.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, heed that, and then that luck regressed, because that's
what happens over any significant sample size is statistics regress.
So Gino was unlucky with interception luck this year. He
was very lucky with it in twenty twenty two. What
you have is a quarterback that you're right had too
much put on him with that offensive line in front.
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So was I a fan of moving on from Ryan Grubb?
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
But it's less about that play calling and how I
feel about it, and more about the fact that Mike
McDonald very clearly did not agree philosophically with Ryan Grubb.
And that's what I need, more than anything I want
coaches to do in terms of run pass splits. I
want the head coach and his play callers to be
on the same page.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Which is bizarre to me because you've got a head
coach that wants one thing done and he's the boss
of the offensive coordinator, Yes, sir, and the offensive coordinator
is I Would you call it in subordination?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Would you just call it not on the same page?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Would you like the roar shock test like you're seeing
the same picture, but Mike McDonald sees a butterfly and
Mike McDonald sees a t rex.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I mean, is that, like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Understand the disconnect between those two guys over such a
long period. We were talking six months of disconnect between
these two guys.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I understand it.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, that one's really that one's really tough to square.
And the fact that it lasted for as long as
it did means that it's probably.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Time to cut bait now.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Now, you know, is Mike McDonald going to be more
philosophically aligned with Clint Kubiak?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
But also, I don't think it matters if you hire
God himself as your offensive coordinator. If you're gonna rush
out the thirty first best offensive line every.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Year, God runs a wishbones. You know that.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I yesone real.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Can't do it with this line.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
No, you definitely can't do it this. You mentioned the
quarterback that so there's no quarterback in this draft that
you think might be sleeper, a guy that you can
like Russell Wilson parts that you can snag in late second,
late third, that you can put behind Gino for a
couple of years and be like Hey, this guy's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
I think if you squint really hard, you can see
that with Jackson Dart or Jaln Milroe, that's not really
for what it's actually going to cost in draft capital
to get one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
This always happens. Quarterbacks are going to get steamed up.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
So now are you using You're certainly you should not
be using the number eighteen pick on either of those guys,
or Dylan Gabriel or so, now are you using the
fiftieth pick on that?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
When you need lineman, you need off ball linebacker.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Right if you are going to have to, I just
want to, don't.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I just don't see anybody in this draft that's like
significantly better than Sam Howell. Keep Sam Howell there for
a year. You're gonna have way better options, certainly in
the draft and probably in free agency than you.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Have this year.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And it's okay. If the next guy sits behind Geno
Smith for a year or two, that is okay. We've
seen very successful quarterback transitions do that, so we shouldn't
be scared of it. But when you have as many
other pressing needs to address, using your most valuable chips
to reach for a quarterback would be very bad process.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
In my opinion, who's going to win the Super Bowl
will be high scoring, low scoring? And most importantly will
the national anthem run over or under the allotted time
that Vegas thinks it's going to.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Lee Sterling will fill us in.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
He'll give you all the bets for the Super Bowl
coming up next On ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 3 (30:08):
Hasn't been with us for a while. Lee Sterling joined us.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
How you doing man, I'm good, I'm good. Great run
here in the NFL playoffs. I wish I wish football
wasn't ending. Usually I'm ready to move on, you know,
even though I love football. But on a nine to
one run in the NFL playoffs, so oh beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And you're hot with us as well.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
The last two time, last three times we had you on,
you've been well over five hundred. Now you're you're about
seven eight games over five hundred now with us on
the on the season, and uh, you know, every time
we talk to you before the Super Bowl, everybody's waiting
with baited breath to hear what your daughter has to say.
The professional singer. How many how many NBA games has
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your daughter sang the national anthem for?
Speaker 7 (30:55):
I think it's like ten or eleven. He's done a
couple of NFL games and for the Bears, done for
the Orange Bowl football game. So uh uh, here's what
she says. So this is an really interesting national anthem.
They have someone named John Batista. Are you familiar all
with him?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I am not. You know Jackson, Okay, Jackson. Jackson's younger
than I am. So he knows he's okay, he knows
who he is, all right.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
All right, So here's the problem. He, for instance, the
last time he has sung the national anthem a few times,
but he also uses different instruments. So the last time
he sang when they brought the NBA back into the
bubble and they started playing again, he sang, didn't sing it,
actually played in the studio. He did half of it
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playing the guitar. The first half and the last half
of the national anthem on a piano.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Wow, so.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Him sing, yeah, I mean he could, he could start there.
There is a chance and even said he was interviewed,
there is chance that he might change his mind a
couple of days before and just do it totally different.
So if he just sings it, if you can find
a prop where it's singing only he's not playing an instrument,
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she feels it will go under the two minutes in
four seconds. If the prop is not worded that way,
you know, he could start playing the guitar, then sing,
and then play the piano and finish up singing. Who knows.
So it's going to be interesting. He is talented. I
mean just listening to him play the guitar and the
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piano doing the national anthem was was good. But it's
probably one of the toughest national anthems ever to predict.
Only if he's singing the entire thing and it's worded
that way, would we go with.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
The under Yeah, I mean that he's a complete wild
card because we don't know. There's a chance he doesn't
even open his mouth.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
That's where or like I said, he might do it
half half one way and and hats the other. You know,
he might have a gospel behind him, who knows, you know,
who knows what he's gonna do.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I mean, I'd be all on board with that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So you know a lot of people out here talking
about the Super Bowl, they're wasting their time talking about
stuff is actually happening on the field. And I think
what's most important is the cottage industry of prop bets
that are all around it. So I got a couple
of favorites, and I want to keep your thoughts on them.
One's Gatorade color. I'm going orange at plus five hundred.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
Okay, that seems to be the popular choice and not again.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah, I was actually really surprised that it wasn't even
one of the top three options.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You know, Purple's been dumped on Andy Reid the last
two years, but it was orange the first time. And
then the one that I'm most excited about putting money
on is Kendrick Lamars first song at halftime.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I think he goes with swimming.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Pools and that's like eight high odds at seven plus
seven fifty.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
You got thoughts on that?
Speaker 7 (34:04):
I really don't, you know, there's some there's I mean,
every year they come up with different props. First time
ever I saw one. A will there be a score
of GOMI and the Seahawks were involved with the last
one against Denver when they won forty three to eight
in twenty fourteen. You can get that at twenty to one.
You know, both teams run a lot of two point conversions,
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so could see a score of goami and that that's
twenty one.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
That is what score GAMI is.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Again, is a score that's never taken place before in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Gotcha? Yeah, So the NFL not just the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
The NFL is not just just in the It's gotta
be in the entire NFL. And there's always a few
of them every single year. Now, on top of that,
how about any offensive lineman to score touchdown at eighteen
to one? I like that. You know, both teams run
the tackle eligible and also it could happen as far
as a fumble in the end zone where alignment falls
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on it. So eighteen to one, you want to take
a shot there. Are you familiar with what an octopus is?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
What's an octopus?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Scoring a touchdown? That's same person's course, the two point conversion.
So that's fourteen to one, and my favorite is he
over two and a half times? Will Philadelphia run the
tush bush? I think he'll do that four or five times?
Love I love that.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
How about how about player props? Any individual are your
favorite player props?
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah? Sa Kwon Barkley. I think it starts and ends
with him. I think most people realize he's going to
have to have a big game that Philadelphia wins. It's
over under rushing yards one hundred and sixteen and a half.
So he's averaged one hundred and forty seven yards in
the playoffs, but there has not been a running back
to run for more than one hundred and seventeen yards
since two thousand and three. That was Michael Pittman for
(35:51):
the Bucks against the Raiders. So I think Steve spagnol
is going to come up with a game plan to
limit him and make Hertz throw the foot fall. And
if that's the case. A lot of people love Dallas
Goddard over fifty two and a half receiving yards. I
actually like DeVante Smith better. And the last Super Bowl
he caught seven passes for one hundred yards. The two
(36:11):
other times against Steve Spagnola defense is seven for one
hundred and twenty two and six for ninety nine, I
like over fifty and a half receiving yards there. And
for Kansas City, the two I like moster most first
downs at plus one oh five, they just slowly matriculate
down the field, and under eight and a half players
catch a pass. Since ju Ju Smith Schuster came back,
(36:35):
he's been their third down receiver. They don't go to
the backup tight ends a whole lot. So let's go
under eight and a half players to catch a pass.
And my favorite is shortest touchdown one and a half yards.
I mean Philly with a tush push, you've got if
there's a if there's an interference in the end zone,
they bring the ball to the one yard line. And
Kansas City, they like a lot of times, will bring
(36:57):
Travis Kelcey in motion and he goes under center and
then does the sneak. So under one and a half
yards on the shortest touchdown And if you want to
take a chance on the long shot MVP. I think
the public is so tired of Kansas City winning. And
Patrick Mahomes, I think there's I think you got to
look to maybe you know he's only averaging like one
(37:19):
hundred and eighty two d and twenty yards a game.
It seems like every game now. Travis Kelcey, if he
catches balls for let's say seventy five to one hundred
yards and a touchdown, and maybe scores a touchdown running
the football on an inside handoff, I think you could
see him at plus sixteen take it home. We've never
had a tight end when the MVP. If that happens,
(37:43):
next time we talk the Wednesday before March Madness, my
phone might be forwarded to Boor or.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Bory Land on that one.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well before it got let you go, we got about
forty five seconds. Give us the final. So that you
give us a final, we'll know who you're taking Andy
over under.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
Okay, So I'm gonna combine it. I'm gonna do a
two team six point teaser. I just think it's gonna
be a game like Buffalo and Baltimore decided on the
last possession. I'm gonna tease Philadelphia up to seven and
a half. I think this will be a tight game,
and I'm gonna take the total at forty eight and
a half, bring it down to forty two and a
half and play the over all I need is a
(38:19):
twenty three to twenty game whoever wins or higher. I'm
a winner.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Love it. Thanks Lee, appreciate it. We will talk to
you in six weeks or so for March Madness.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Okay, sounds good, guys, take its man.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's Lee Sterlink Paramount Sports. You can find him at
Paramount sports dot com.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
The coach is here. He has entered the building our
Hall of Famer. Damn it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
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