February 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Coach Holmgren joins the show live from the 520 Bar and Grill and talks about the emotion in the HOF selection process after just missing out. Coach Holmgern sticks around to give us a preview on this years Super Bowl between the Chiefs and Eagles. We play some audio clips for Coach from a couple of his former players to show him he is a Hall of Famer in our book.
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
Mike Holmgren with Zufti and Dish, it's been.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
A pleasure all football season long, usually on Thursdays where
we head over to the East Side and we chat
with our friend Mike Holmgren, and we've been talking about
it all all fall along that you know, February sixth
was going to be a big day, was hopefully going
to be a great day. And it did turn out
to be a big day, not as great a day
as we wanted to see it.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
But like I said right before the break, coach, welcome in.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And you are always a hall of famer in our book,
and you're not a hall of famer yet. I am
putting the emphasis on the word yet because I know
it's going to happen at some point, But welcome, and
you know, just start how you doing. What are the
emotions like today versus maybe what they were like yesterday.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well it was interesting the found out last night and
I was, in all honesty, you're disappointed. I'm disappointed. You know,
I had I thought I had real shot this year
and that would have been special, but not just for me,
for my family and my wife, you know, the just
are the people that I'm connected with. So today it
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was funny. Last night I went to bed normal, woke
up at three, three thirty, go and go back to sleep.
I just started thinking about stuff, you know, stupid stuff.
And so today there's kind of a recovery, a little
bit of a recovery day for everybody. I've been talking
to the kids, my daughters. As you know, they're football
fans and they're also my kids, and so you know,
(03:20):
just saying life goes on, you know, I mean it's
you know, I've lost super Bowls, I've lost big games
in junior high. I struck out with the bases loaded
in the in the championship game. So you deal with things.
You just have to get up the next day. Like
I told my players, you get knocked down, you got choices.
You can either go home, take my ball and go home,
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or you get up and keep going. And so that's
kind of where I am right now. I'm just I
was disappointed. But hey, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
I've told you that before I did something I loved
for a long time, and that in the South is
something special.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, you mentioned, like, you know you lost games before.
I mean it was it was it like losing a
big game. Was the feeling like that or was it different?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And I think it was probably a little different because
the emotions are different. You know, you're not you're not
going crazy during the ball game and all of a
sudden the rug gets pulled. But uh, it was I
thought this, I thought I had a good chance, this year.
That's what I was being told. Yeah, that's kind of
the feeling that we had around around the people that
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I thought had a pretty good idea what was going on,
but it didn't happen. So but to your point about
at some point it will, I've been real close the
last four years. Yeah, yeah, I'm going and I'm not
getting any younger, you know, so, but you.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Are getting closer.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean you were a finalist this year, so yeah,
you're going in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well slowly, but surely.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
What was the what was the weight?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like, was there a was there a phone call? Did
you find out? And we couldn't even get the dang
thing on? I mean it was like blacked out, So like,
how did that? How did that happen? How you found out?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well, I you know it was. I took Kathy out
to dinner last night and we we dinner. Reservation was
at six thirty. The show started at six o'clock here,
So at the restaurant I got a phone call from
from someone down at the station. Actually they had been
watching it on TV and her and knew and said
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I'm sorry you didn't make it. And I was kind
of stunned, and Kathy goes, what's up. I said, we
didn't get it, you know, and she started crying, you know,
and then we know, but you know what, we've been
married a long time now, fifty three years, so she
but she and then dinner was over. You know, we
had to go home, so right, but uh it, shit
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stunned you. You know. I never got into coaching. Uh
And I've told you this before, for the awards and stuff.
I just like to be a teacher in high school.
Started there and I liked helping people, young kids in particular.
And then one thing, and I love my job. And
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so you don't. You never aspire. You you're not thinking
hall of fame. You're really not right. And then but
then when you get close, you do think about it
a little bit, if you're being honest, and it's uh
so that's where I sit now, and we'll bounce back.
You'll take a little time, I think for the family,
I'm trying to I'm trying to get the kids to
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smile a little bit, a little bit, joke around with them,
and it's okay.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know, the statement that you're a Hall of Famer
is not wrong. It's only early. We know that it's coming.
I would imagine though, and I can't speak to it.
I'm not a borderline Hall of Famer at anything, but
I would imagine that leading up to this process, it
gives an opportunity for not only yourself but the people
in your life to really appreciate all the things that
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you did accomplish. Is there as you get close to it?
Obviously there's a will they won't they aspect to it.
But is there something cool about the lead up to
the announcement where you get to relive some of those memories?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, And those are the messages I was
getting from a lot of people, my kids, certainly, different
friends of mine, former different coaches that you know, I
competed against. Reminded me, remember what's happened, Remember what you did,
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Remember how you you got to this position. That's all
good and so Yeah, and that was I would say,
somewhat comforting. You know, he can get me. He gets
your mind thinking in a different direction, you know, after
the initial after the initial oh my shock, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, and this is political, let's be honest, right, And
the good news is you're such a good guy that
there's nobody out there, there's no voters out there that
don't like my and so we're not like that's that's
not an issue at all. But there is a process,
and this was the first time you were a finalist
for it, and like Jared Allen was a finalist five
times before he got in. And then, you know, do
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you almost feel like this is a you know, it's
kind of like a football team that that goes through
the process of making the playoffs and then they make
the Super Bowl and then they finally win the Super Bowl.
And that's kind of the political process of this whole thing,
right where they they they make a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Wait, I mean Luke Keigley was eligible this year.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That dude's a locked stone solid Hall of Famer and
he didn't get in and his first time as a final.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
No, there is a process. And the thing that they
changed the rules this year, so the coaching category was
a category by itself, and so you know, that became simpler.
It was just kind of simpler if you got to
this point. Historically the coach got in, No, you got in,
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but this year, you know, you're in with the contributors,
the seniors, and then the coachings. So you know, it
was a little different the thing that I never heard
from anybody, nobody. I didn't know what was going on.
You know, people thought we'd go We talked about it
last week. Are you going to go to New Orleans
and be there right? You know? Because I thought in
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the past that that may have happened with certain people
that were going to go in, But I never heard
from anybody. And it's just that in it South was hard.
But you know, it's a different time now. And to
your point, there are a lot of reasons. There are
a lot of reasons in the voting. There's a lot
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of reasons and what happens you know that that we
probably will never know. And so but I appreciate you
think I still got another shot. So I'll stick with that.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
No question about it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Do you think the Hall of Fame maybe overreacted a
little bit in kind of pulling back and they might
recognize the error of their ways where you know, they
almost it seems like they almost pulled.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Back too much.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean they they I think so, I would
I would think so. I think they they. I read
a statement today that they because really this year only
four people four people and then Stirling I think five
four players and current players in five and in the past,
it said they in the past, they said in the
last four years, like thirty people have gone in or
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something like that, and they said they made a conscious
effort this year to make sure that people know it
to get in is elite. It's not just great, it's elite.
It's something very very special. Yes, people know that. People
have known that for the last four years, for the
last twenty years. Ye know how special it is. Players
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and coaches, you know. So I thought that was a
little bit much. They've had a turnover or a change
in leadership. Okay, we talk about Dave Baker used to
run it, you know, and the big, the big Dave Baker. Yeah, yeah,
and now you know there's someone else doing it. I
don't even know who that is. But it's just different
now a little bit. And so you know it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Are you still confident?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I mean, do you feel any differently than you did
before as far as you know your confidence level or
how you'll treat it the next time you're up, Yeah,
you can treat.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It any differently.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I kind of think I'm don't necessarily agree with you
guys about it'll happen I think this was my shot.
That's how I'm feeling. This is my shot. Next year
Belichick's going to be the guy. You know that. So
and then after that, who knows. But it seems like
two years is hard, you know. It's just that's way, way,
way in the distance.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, believe it or not, I'll get here pretty quick. Yeah,
and maybe he'll be sitting here with us, you know,
I hope.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
So you know you still have.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Absolutely Well, you mentioned Sterling, and let's let's move to him,
because I know obviously if if the situation were different
with you, you'd be much more excited for Sterling sharp,
But I'm sure you're still excited.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Tell us why he was so special and why you
think he's a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Well, you know he is. I've said this before. I
coached Jerry Rice and then Sterling, and I had receivers
and Pro Bowls and all the really great ones, and
I honestly can say he was. He was as he
and Jerry are the best I've ever coached. Different. You know,
he was a he was a strong, good runner. I
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had him running some stuff a tailback I had when
everything he caught for a Green Bay team, when I
took over. That was just kind of we were just
building it. He caught a hundred balls one year, one
hundred four balls the next year. He did everything. He
was the packers, and then unfortunately he broke his neck
and it ended his career. If he had if that
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hadn't happened, you know, he would he would have gone in.
He would have been a first ballot.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh, absolutely, so he'd be up there with Jerry probably
with the numbers.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, I was, so, I'm very I'm really, very very
happy for him. And I actually was thinking if the
two of us could go together, that'd be really something,
and then that that might be That's part of the
reason I'm a little bit sad, you know, because that
would have been special.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Well, we do want to talk some football.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I know you want to talk some super Bowl and
some some Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We will a little bit later on.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We've got a little surprise for you at the at
the end of the hour that that we'll play for you.
But as far as uh, the top topics at hand, well,
we'll talk about the super Bowl next segment, but I
want to get your take on on what we were
talking about before you sat down, and that was Mike
McDonald's comments on Geno Smith and how you know Jackson
said correctly that Mike was kind of lukewarm on Geno's
(13:53):
future when he was asked a couple of intentionally lukewarm,
a couple.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Of messaging he was trying to put out there.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And in the last twenty four hours with our friends
Aaron and Curtis over at Fox thirteen, he was anything
but lukewarm.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, he was just glowing. I mean he made
Geno Smith sound like a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean he just wanted well, So, how much do
you think that is politicking and how much, you know,
kind of making up for how he sounded before, And
how much do you think he believes it?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Oh, I think he believes it. I don't think he
I don't think he says too much that he doesn't believe.
I really don't. I think a couple things now, this
is his second year, when he came in, you know,
a new head coach, new team, new player, the end coach. Before. Okay,
there might be a little bit of careful speech in there,
(14:41):
but now they've been together for a year. They know
each other. That's one thing. The other thing is I
think there is a part of him I would have
certainly done it. You want to just make the player think, listen,
we might come at you to adjust something or this,
but I love you, I want you here. I want
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you to know that. Now, help you help me at
your end a little bit. Yeah know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah yeah, I mean there's a dance to that level
of negotiation, right whereas like, hey, I want you here,
but I can't to your point put it out there,
and all of a sudden, you know, you worry about
giving the agent too much fodder, you know, coming in
and saying, Hey, you said we're going to win a
super Bowl with this guy, so I need you to
pay me super Bowl quarterback money. But I do think
that over certainly since over the course of your head
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coaching career and since then, we have seen the quarterback
take on a bigger role within the overall kind of
face of the franchise, almost like a junior CEO nowadays
of the franchise. And I think one of the strengths
of your career outside looking in was your relationship as
a head coach with the quarterback. How important is it
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for the quarterback and the head coach to be on
the same page and have a little back and forth
versus there being a Look, I'm the coach, you're the player.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
This is how it is, Jackson.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I think that you can't overstate that that is so important,
and so I'll be honest with you. I thought when
Russell Wilson and Pete they seemed to bang and then
all of a sudden it led to the departure. In
my own mind, I'm going, it's hard for me to
understand how a coach, how you could let a relationship
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change that much with your all pro quarterback to where
either he wants to leave or you wanted to leave.
You know, you know now having said that, listen, Farvar
and I banged heads. Steve Young and I banged heads.
Assle Beck and Eye banged heads. But they knew I
loved them, and they knew I wanted them to get
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I wanted to get the best out of them. But
you know that has to work in my opinion, the
head coach and the thing is different now, is to
your point, the quarterbacks are getting paid so much money,
and I go to Aaron Rodgers just a little bit,
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all of a sudden they view themselves or can view
themselves as more than a team leader or a player.
I want to make some of these decisions. Okay, that's
when you draw that. There is a right line there
with me, and there would be now today. You know so,
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I think if but if you have a great relationship
with your quarterback, your team's going to be better. It is.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Try to take a time out.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I just want to reiterate what I said at the
top of the show and have coach hear it and
hopefully have it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You know, let us sink in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
In the twenty four years before you took over the
Green Bay Packers, they made the playoffs two times in
those twenty four years, and you let them the playoffs
every single year except the first year when you were
turning that ship around. And in the twenty three years
before you came to Seattle, the Hawks made the playoffs
four times, and you took them to the playoffs six
times in a decade, including a Super Bowl appearance. If
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that's not Hall of Fame, I don't know what is.
We'll talk about the Super Bowl with the Super Bowl
champion head coach Mike Holmgrin next On ninety three point
three kjrfense.
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Speaker 2 (18:38):
Four thirty ninety three point three KJRFM Live from the
five to twenty Bar and Grill the Mike Holmgren Show,
which we normally have on a Thursday, we moved it
to Friday this week. Getting set for the Super Bowl.
Jackson Bevans joins us here, andrews Hurst back at the
studio and coach. We were joking about Andy Reid in
the break and you were telling some some good stories
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and I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I'm wondering, Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
One of the reasons I can't wait for the game
on Sunday is because every time Andy Reid coaches on
a Super Bowl, in a Super Bowl, he gets some
random dude five yards open in the end zone on
a play that we've never seen by No, So is
he cooking up those things in the two weeks leading up?
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Are those plays that he's already had in his back
pocket that they practiced in August or because it's it's
amazing that he had one play in a Super Bowl
a couple years ago where two guys were opened by
five yards and if he had two footballs, Mahomes could
have completed both of them at the same time.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
No, I think, you know, he has a very similar
play sheet to the one I had. And I grew
up with coach Walsh and and he was with me,
and so's they're similar. You go into the Super Bowl
two weeks and you have you're not gonna change everything
you shouldn't. You know you've done something well, You're gonna
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run those things. You're going to tweak formations and motions
a little bit. But then you're going to have ten
plays that you have not shown before you have never run?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Wow, And when do you practice those?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
When?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
When?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
When have you practiced those plays?
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Have you? Are?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Those are those new plays?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
New new plays? They're for the two weeks?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh okay, so they're not plays that you did in August
and just haven't happened to run and the whole season
are wow?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Okay, you know want anyone else to see him? No
one's seen him, and you know, you you run them
at a certain time of practice. You talk about it
in the meetings a lot, but they have a veteran team.
They're you know, you also have to make sure that
you believe that the players can do it. It can't
be just some well this is I dreamt about this.
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This should work, But I don't have that guy. I
don't have that. He's not fast enough or whatever. It
has to work. He will do that. He's very creative
that way. And you know I told you the story
off off the speakers here about me telling him that
he's changed everything I've ever taught him, and he goes, no, no,
I just little motion here, little, it's the same stuff.
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It's just a little treat here.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I go, okay, Well, you know, to pickback of the
way that I look at Andy Reid, I see him
as a poker player who has an extra card in
his hand. It's like he's playing with six cards. Everyone
else has five. And we see it in the Super
Bowls to Dick's point, where he does always have that
one extra thing, even even that game clinching play against Buffalo.
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Every time they've run out of that look and moved
everyone to the right, the play goes right, and then
here comes to maggp Ryan, who hasn't touched the ball
in a month, just leaking out to the left here
going to the super Bowl. But you've known Andy Reid
for a long time. You were telling me before we
hop back on the air that you worked with him
at BYU. Now it's easy looking back to say, oh,
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what an amazing coach. Was there any point, or more accurately,
at what point during your relationship with him did you
realize he could be special as a coach?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You know, I thought when he was I was in
charge of the graduate graduate assistance. He was one of
those guys, one of six, and I got to know him,
and it didn't take too long, Jackson, before I realized one,
he's very smart, very smart, and I loved his personality.
I loved his sense of humor. I just we connected. Yeah, Okay.
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Then I told him then when I left BYU to
go to the forty nine ers, if I ever get
a chance to be a head coach, I'm gonna call it.
And then I helped him also. I phoned San Francisco
State University, where I had and then got him in there.
So that's where he first coached when he left and
so then but then he went on his own and
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worked in University of Missouri and now Passo in those places.
But and then I hired him and he came with
me to to Green Bay. Was young at the time. UH,
and he was a line coach, though his whole life
was a lineman. He was a line coach. I said,
you're gonna coach tight ends. He goes, no, what you know? Hey,
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it's like, you know, I don't know if you have
kids or somebody. It's like talking to your son and
all saying. I wanted to what do you mean I
could throw the ball? I said, no, no, no, you're
gonna I need you to coach tight ends. And I said, plus,
you worked in the running game obviously, but then you'll
learn the passing game.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And then he did that for a few years. And
then when Mary Steve mary Yucci left you know, uh,
and Marty Morningway was there with us too then and
he later became quarterback coach and and he did a
great job because he really communicated well with Brett. He
was kind of in the in between, UH. And he
stood in between me and Brett when I wanted to
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strangle Brett. You know, he's going it up in the way.
It's my fault. I go, no, if there's a in
an NFL films thing, all right where where? And he's said,
he goes, no, it was on me. And so I
I'm yelling at Brett's behind, kind of smiling, and and
I goes and get out. It's not on you, it's
on him.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I getta get out the way.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So, but I knew early on. I knew early on.
And listen, we competed against each other when he is
in Philly. We stay in contact a little bit, texting
the little things. Uh. But yeah, he's he's one of
the he's really a good coach, and he's a better person.
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He's really a good guy.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Sounds like somebody I know sit at his table over there.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
But hey, it's like it's like I told you, man.
Andy Reid is the spiritual successor.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
To Mike Holmgren. I mean we are.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
We're just seeing the more modern version. Andy Reid is
what Mike Holmgren would be.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
If he started coaching.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
That's exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Can I tell one quick, one quick one? Okay, we'd
have our Saturday night meeting and then after the meeting
at nine o'clock, we'd have the cheeseburgers and the food
for the players. They loved it and they take it
to the room or staying there. Okay. I'd come in
after doing my thing, getting the gathering things up. The
coaches never wanted to sit with me, my assistants, head coach,
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so except Dandy, you know, he come over and I'd
like that, which could talk, But he would build. He
would build what I used to call the matter horn
of cheeseburgers. There's the plate. There was the plate, and
there's not just one hamburger. It's just he'd stack it
up in a way and then put stuff on it,
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and chili and all sorts of stuff, so it was
actually a mountain. And then he'd start going. And I
appreciate him sitting with me, but he couldn't talk. He's
just not.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
He'd not shake it mustache back then.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You know you much, I so we know. But he
I tease him now about, hey, make sure you get
your cheeseburgers before before the super Bowl. You need it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
What kind of gaming we're gon We're going to see,
what's the kind of recipe for these two teams to
get it done.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think it's going to be a great game. I
really do. And as much as I'm pulling from my buddy, uh,
Philadelphia to me is I think they're really good if
they play their game and and there and a couple
you know, they got good offensive line, they got a
good defensive line. There, they have good people. I think
(26:37):
the difference in the game could be Uh, the coach, absolutely,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's I mean, that's why I'm banking on Caseyi. The
coach of the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah, that's that's it, because I think Philadelphia might have
him licked everywhere else.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
They're Philadelphia is really good. And you know what Bark
has done this year along with their great offense, and
they have a good offensive line and the quarterback to
their quarterback could run too, So it's all you know,
it'll be it'll be a good game, two game to watch.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And I think it was Coward this week said that
he thinks the Philadelphia roster is better than any team
in the NFL since the Seahawks twenty fourteen roster.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I have the exact same opinion. Yeah, I think I
think this year's Eagles team and I felt that way
honestly last year about the forty nine ers roster, but
I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
They're better at quarterback than and the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
And you know, I think one thing that's very very
interesting to me is the Chiefs come into this game
on an NFL record streak of winning seventeen consecutive one
scorer game, which is honestly one of the craziest football
stats I've ever heard in my life. And I don't
want to hear nonsense about all it's because of the rest.
(27:53):
That's his lazy football analysis. I don't know if you've
got time for it. I got no time for it.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I got no time.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Okay, great.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
So my question to you is how much of a
streak like that is skill versus getting lucky in close games?
And if it is a skill situation, what is it
the sets teams that consistently win one score games apart
from those that don't.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
I think it's skilled. Certainly, it's all the things you mentioned,
the skill luck, the other team fumbles one play, there's
one play, Yeah, there's a turnover, but then then the
quarterback play. I will say this when there's forty nine ers,
when we had Joe Montana, there you know, we won
a Super Bowl driving from our own ten all the
(28:39):
way down to win the game. You know, you get quarterbacks,
Mahomes is shown the ability to win those situations get
it done. They just believe. They get in the autumn,
We're gonna get this done. And that's come from winning
game after game after game after game like that. Now,
(29:02):
as a coach, you would like to be able to
breathe a little bit. You know. Yeah, that's hard, absolutely,
but you're right, that is an amazing stack. And then think
about it. That is an amazing stack.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
It's an entire season, seventeen, so you have to be
you can't have that happen on just skill.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, it's got to be. There's luck involved, there's a penalty,
there's an official. So now you know, I love the officials.
You know that day, Oh of course. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
They were always good to you.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
And as you know, I mean, so they factor in,
they factor in, They factored in. Honestly, you could make
a case the Kansas City maybe shouldn't be in the game,
maybe Buffalo should be. Yeah, you know so, but they're
in it, and uh and then they have a they
have a real smart coach, no.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Question about it Well, you told us a story.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
We got a couple of stories for you in the
next segment from a couple of your fans, and we'll
play that next on ninety three point three KJAR.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:24):
Welcome back five to twenty four and Grill Saftian Dick
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Speaker 3 (30:28):
Jackson Bevans is in.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Mike Holmgren is here our final segment of The Mike Holmgren.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Show and Coach.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
We thought we'd We've had a lot of folks on
the air chatting about you this week and telling stories,
and we thought we'd share some of these with you,
and we'll start with the greatest left tackle of all time,
Walter Walter Jones on why you're a Hall of Famer
in his book.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
He did it the right way for me personal he's
my Hall of Fame coach because he came here and
changed us.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Standing here in Seattle.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
You know, when I came here, he was like, hey,
listen to me, We'll get y'all to a super Bowl.
Didn't win it, but still again, I think he changed
the culture here in Seattle. Everybody got used to see
him winning and now you can see that now because
everybody want to be part of something great. And that's
what he was able to do here when he came
to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know, coach, you know, and Sophy and I we're
talking about it yesterday. I mean before you showed up,
like the super Bowl, that wasn't even stuff that us
little kids in Seattle even contemplated was possible. Like that
wasn't even a thing. I mean, just getting to the
playoffs was unbelievable. Super Bowl, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
But you change the culture, well, it was you know,
the players. It was a group effort, you know, and
they but you go into a place, a new team, uh,
and you hear that changing the culture. Everyone says that,
what does that mean? You know, So you have to
implement your thoughts. You have to make sure you're talking
(31:50):
to the right players to have good leadership, pick the
good leadership on the team. I was at a players
committee you know, and if if they weren't listen to me,
they'd listened to them so I could talk to them
to get to them, you know. So yeah, it's uh,
I love those guys so well.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You talk about good leaders.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
The last two cuts we're gonna hear is from one
of the best you've ever had, and that's about Hasselbeck.
And you talked about the story about yelling at Brett
Farr with Andy Reid in the middle. He's he's got
one about you being a little intimidating towards Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
My college coach was Tom Coughlin. My dad played for
Bill Parcells. I've been around all those type guys. I've
had Hall of Fame O Lineman type coaches. Nobody is
more intimidating than Mike Holmgren.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Nobody. I mean, he's an enormous human being.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
He's very fiery, he's super competitive, and yes, like there
is another side to him, Like I'd see him with
his wife and his daughters and his grandkids and he's
like the most tender, sweet like grandfather and that's like
a different person. It's like it's not even the same.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
The intimidation factor was real I mean, but I saw him.
I saw him get intense with Reggie White.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
I saw him get really intense with Brett farr And
and Toback and Walter Jones and Dilfer and like, you know,
all the guy Ricky Waters like I saw it. So
I think for me, I know, it was like okay
that he got mad at me, you know what I mean,
Like I get I got to see him.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I still got this.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I mean, he went off. I talked about this today.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
He went off on Andy Reid whenever he wanted to
yell at Brett fark Like, he got to.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
The point where like I can't. He's like, I can't
yell at Brett Farv anymore. You know, he's not listening.
He's like that. He's like that teenager, like, oh, I've
just been in two Super Bowls and I just won
three MVPs in a row.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
So he was like, I'm done yelling at Brett. I'm
now just gonna scream at Andy. Andy, if he does
that again, you are fired. And it was it was like,
you know, but there's there's some genius in it too,
And it was like it was almost like I wouldn't
be at all surprised if Mike Home.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
And Andy Reid were in on it together.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Like good cop, bad cops Ie and.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And so like.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
It wasn't like, it wasn't necessarily a temper, although it
made a bit might have been.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
It was more of like, I'm gonna pull you where
you don't even know you can go. I'm gonna push
you to where you don't even know that you can go.
Speaker 9 (34:17):
And I would say he did that with the assistant
coaches as well, giving giving them the leeway to open
up their minds and get creative and think outside the box.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
But he was He obviously meant a lot to me,
and I'm still using those lessons.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
But there it's hard not to chuckle sometimes at how
how tough it was at a certain points.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Well, there's that Andy Reid story where you're yelling at
Brett fav and then going away, Yeah, confirming your side
of the story.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Police. I'm glad Matt didn't tell some of the other things.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well, Coach, what stood out to me was when he
talked about how fire you were, and then how genteel
you are with the people around you and your family,
your kids, and like, I just remember the first time
I met you. You walked into the studio in our
old building, and I was like, oh my god, is
this guy gonna be the same just red face screaming
(35:15):
into his microphone? You know, is he gonna be as
intense as he looks on television?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And he wasn't you know?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You spent you and I talked about the draft for
like ten minutes. We're just sitting there. You were waiting
to go on the air. You'd never met me before,
you didn't know me from Adam, and I just you know,
you made me feel special. It's just this punk, twenty five,
twenty six year old kid, and it was. It was
really incredible. It's just a testament to who you are.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Well, thanks Dick. I get home home now and I
get three or four envelopes a day with cards to sign.
You know, the people sending me I send cards back.
Almost every picture that they've found somewhere has me just
scream at somebody. I've met guys that say, you don't
(36:06):
seem you don't scream all the time. I said, no,
I don't scream all the time. But I you know what,
as I said, I love coaching and and uh, and
they knew I love him. I told I took all
the linemen out for dinner when Hutch went into the
Hall of Fame. Cool and that was there. Yeah, and uh,
(36:27):
Max Strong and Jim Zorn and we took it. I
took him to dinner, and of course they were buying wine.
They spent you know, I wasn't a cheaper It wasn't
a cheap dinner. But then Tobek started the ball rolling.
He started telling the stories about me and what I
had done to him, and then everyone piped in, so
it was a roast. They killed me, you know, but
(36:49):
we laughed, and uh, it was just such a good
feeling to know ten years removed, fifteen years removed from
the players that we still could meet like and have fun.
That's the best part of coaching. Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That's awesome. Well, coach, we appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I know it's been a rough twenty four hours, but
I hope we have a little levity over the last
hour and had some fun.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
It's really good. And Jackson, nice meeting you, and good
luck with all that stuff. And I hope you have
me back next year.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Absolutely, Okay, without question, we'll see, if you'll see if
your protege you can get another dub on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, there we go, There we go? Are we now?
This is it?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Let's well, we'll have our people talk to your people.
How about okay, I mean we need to have you
on after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I would think, yeah, we'll see, we'll do that. Thanks coach, guys, thank.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
You, you bet.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's Mike call.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm gonna be back for the five o'clock hour next
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:12):
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
Mike Holmgren with Zufti and Dish, it's been.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
A pleasure all football season long, usually on Thursdays where
we head over to the East Side and we chat
with our friend Mike Holmgren, and we've been talking about
it all all fall along that you know, February sixth
was going to be a big day, was hopefully going
to be a great day. And it did turn out
to be a big day, not as great a day
as we wanted to see it.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
But like I said right before the break, coach, welcome in.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And you are always a hall of famer in our book,
and you're not a hall of famer yet. I am
putting the emphasis on the word yet because I know
it's going to happen at some point, But welcome, and
you know, just start how you doing. What are the
emotions like today versus maybe what they were like yesterday.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well it was interesting the found out last night and
I was, in all honesty, you're disappointed. I'm disappointed. You know,
I had I thought I had real shot this year
and that would have been special, but not just for me,
for my family and my wife, you know, the just
are the people that I'm connected with. So today it
(02:55):
was funny. Last night I went to bed normal, woke
up at three, three thirty, go and go back to sleep.
I just started thinking about stuff, you know, stupid stuff.
And so today there's kind of a recovery, a little
bit of a recovery day for everybody. I've been talking
to the kids, my daughters. As you know, they're football
fans and they're also my kids, and so you know,
(03:20):
just saying life goes on, you know, I mean it's
you know, I've lost super Bowls, I've lost big games
in junior high. I struck out with the bases loaded
in the in the championship game. So you deal with things.
You just have to get up the next day. Like
I told my players, you get knocked down, you got choices.
You can either go home, take my ball and go home,
(03:43):
or you get up and keep going. And so that's
kind of where I am right now. I'm just I
was disappointed. But hey, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
I've told you that before I did something I loved
for a long time, and that in the South is
something special.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, you mentioned, like, you know you lost games before.
I mean it was it was it like losing a
big game. Was the feeling like that or was it different?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And I think it was probably a little different because
the emotions are different. You know, you're not you're not
going crazy during the ball game and all of a
sudden the rug gets pulled. But uh, it was I
thought this, I thought I had a good chance, this year.
That's what I was being told. Yeah, that's kind of
the feeling that we had around around the people that
(04:29):
I thought had a pretty good idea what was going on,
but it didn't happen. So but to your point about
at some point it will, I've been real close the
last four years. Yeah, yeah, I'm going and I'm not
getting any younger, you know, so, but you.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Are getting closer.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean you were a finalist this year, so yeah,
you're going in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well slowly, but surely.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
What was the what was the weight?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like, was there a was there a phone call? Did
you find out? And we couldn't even get the dang
thing on? I mean it was like blacked out, So like,
how did that? How did that happen? How you found out?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well, I you know it was. I took Kathy out
to dinner last night and we we dinner. Reservation was
at six thirty. The show started at six o'clock here,
So at the restaurant I got a phone call from
from someone down at the station. Actually they had been
watching it on TV and her and knew and said
(05:25):
I'm sorry you didn't make it. And I was kind
of stunned, and Kathy goes, what's up. I said, we
didn't get it, you know, and she started crying, you know,
and then we know, but you know what, we've been
married a long time now, fifty three years, so she
but she and then dinner was over. You know, we
had to go home, so right, but uh it, shit
(05:48):
stunned you. You know. I never got into coaching. Uh
And I've told you this before, for the awards and stuff.
I just like to be a teacher in high school.
Started there and I liked helping people, young kids in particular.
And then one thing, and I love my job. And
(06:08):
so you don't. You never aspire. You you're not thinking
hall of fame. You're really not right. And then but
then when you get close, you do think about it
a little bit, if you're being honest, and it's uh
so that's where I sit now, and we'll bounce back.
You'll take a little time, I think for the family,
I'm trying to I'm trying to get the kids to
(06:30):
smile a little bit, a little bit, joke around with them,
and it's okay.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know, the statement that you're a Hall of Famer
is not wrong. It's only early. We know that it's coming.
I would imagine though, and I can't speak to it.
I'm not a borderline Hall of Famer at anything, but
I would imagine that leading up to this process, it
gives an opportunity for not only yourself but the people
in your life to really appreciate all the things that
(06:57):
you did accomplish. Is there as you get close to it?
Obviously there's a will they won't they aspect to it.
But is there something cool about the lead up to
the announcement where you get to relive some of those memories?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, And those are the messages I was
getting from a lot of people, my kids, certainly, different
friends of mine, former different coaches that you know, I
competed against. Reminded me, remember what's happened, Remember what you did,
(07:32):
Remember how you you got to this position. That's all
good and so Yeah, and that was I would say,
somewhat comforting. You know, he can get me. He gets
your mind thinking in a different direction, you know, after
the initial after the initial oh my shock, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, and this is political, let's be honest, right, And
the good news is you're such a good guy that
there's nobody out there, there's no voters out there that
don't like my and so we're not like that's that's
not an issue at all. But there is a process,
and this was the first time you were a finalist
for it, and like Jared Allen was a finalist five
times before he got in. And then, you know, do
(08:13):
you almost feel like this is a you know, it's
kind of like a football team that that goes through
the process of making the playoffs and then they make
the Super Bowl and then they finally win the Super Bowl.
And that's kind of the political process of this whole thing,
right where they they they make a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Wait, I mean Luke Keigley was eligible this year.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That dude's a locked stone solid Hall of Famer and
he didn't get in and his first time as a final.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
No, there is a process. And the thing that they
changed the rules this year, so the coaching category was
a category by itself, and so you know, that became simpler.
It was just kind of simpler if you got to
this point. Historically the coach got in, No, you got in,
(09:01):
but this year, you know, you're in with the contributors,
the seniors, and then the coachings. So you know, it
was a little different the thing that I never heard
from anybody, nobody. I didn't know what was going on.
You know, people thought we'd go We talked about it
last week. Are you going to go to New Orleans
and be there right? You know? Because I thought in
(09:22):
the past that that may have happened with certain people
that were going to go in, But I never heard
from anybody. And it's just that in it South was hard.
But you know, it's a different time now. And to
your point, there are a lot of reasons. There are
a lot of reasons in the voting. There's a lot
(09:43):
of reasons and what happens you know that that we
probably will never know. And so but I appreciate you
think I still got another shot. So I'll stick with that.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
No question about it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Do you think the Hall of Fame maybe overreacted a
little bit in kind of pulling back and they might
recognize the error of their ways where you know, they
almost it seems like they almost pulled.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Back too much.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean they they I think so, I would
I would think so. I think they they. I read
a statement today that they because really this year only
four people four people and then Stirling I think five
four players and current players in five and in the past,
it said they in the past, they said in the
last four years, like thirty people have gone in or
(10:30):
something like that, and they said they made a conscious
effort this year to make sure that people know it
to get in is elite. It's not just great, it's elite.
It's something very very special. Yes, people know that. People
have known that for the last four years, for the
last twenty years. Ye know how special it is. Players
(10:52):
and coaches, you know. So I thought that was a
little bit much. They've had a turnover or a change
in leadership. Okay, we talk about Dave Baker used to
run it, you know, and the big, the big Dave Baker. Yeah, yeah,
and now you know there's someone else doing it. I
don't even know who that is. But it's just different
now a little bit. And so you know it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Are you still confident?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I mean, do you feel any differently than you did
before as far as you know your confidence level or
how you'll treat it the next time you're up, Yeah,
you can treat.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It any differently.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I kind of think I'm don't necessarily agree with you
guys about it'll happen I think this was my shot.
That's how I'm feeling. This is my shot. Next year
Belichick's going to be the guy. You know that. So
and then after that, who knows. But it seems like
two years is hard, you know. It's just that's way, way,
way in the distance.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, believe it or not, I'll get here pretty quick. Yeah,
and maybe he'll be sitting here with us, you know,
I hope.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
So you know you still have.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Absolutely Well, you mentioned Sterling, and let's let's move to him,
because I know obviously if if the situation were different
with you, you'd be much more excited for Sterling sharp,
But I'm sure you're still excited.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Tell us why he was so special and why you
think he's a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Well, you know he is. I've said this before. I
coached Jerry Rice and then Sterling, and I had receivers
and Pro Bowls and all the really great ones, and
I honestly can say he was. He was as he
and Jerry are the best I've ever coached. Different. You know,
he was a he was a strong, good runner. I
(12:33):
had him running some stuff a tailback I had when
everything he caught for a Green Bay team, when I
took over. That was just kind of we were just
building it. He caught a hundred balls one year, one
hundred four balls the next year. He did everything. He
was the packers, and then unfortunately he broke his neck
and it ended his career. If he had if that
(12:54):
hadn't happened, you know, he would he would have gone in.
He would have been a first ballot.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh, absolutely, so he'd be up there with Jerry probably
with the numbers.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, I was, so, I'm very I'm really, very very
happy for him. And I actually was thinking if the
two of us could go together, that'd be really something,
and then that that might be That's part of the
reason I'm a little bit sad, you know, because that
would have been special.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Well, we do want to talk some football.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I know you want to talk some super Bowl and
some some Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We will a little bit later on.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We've got a little surprise for you at the at
the end of the hour that that we'll play for you.
But as far as uh, the top topics at hand, well,
we'll talk about the super Bowl next segment, but I
want to get your take on on what we were
talking about before you sat down, and that was Mike
McDonald's comments on Geno Smith and how you know Jackson
said correctly that Mike was kind of lukewarm on Geno's
(13:53):
future when he was asked a couple of intentionally lukewarm,
a couple.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Of messaging he was trying to put out there.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And in the last twenty four hours with our friends
Aaron and Curtis over at Fox thirteen, he was anything
but lukewarm.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, he was just glowing. I mean he made
Geno Smith sound like a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean he just wanted well, So, how much do
you think that is politicking and how much, you know,
kind of making up for how he sounded before, And
how much do you think he believes it?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Oh, I think he believes it. I don't think he
I don't think he says too much that he doesn't believe.
I really don't. I think a couple things now, this
is his second year, when he came in, you know,
a new head coach, new team, new player, the end coach. Before. Okay,
there might be a little bit of careful speech in there,
(14:41):
but now they've been together for a year. They know
each other. That's one thing. The other thing is I
think there is a part of him I would have
certainly done it. You want to just make the player think, listen,
we might come at you to adjust something or this,
but I love you, I want you here. I want
(15:02):
you to know that. Now, help you help me at
your end a little bit. Yeah know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah yeah, I mean there's a dance to that level
of negotiation, right whereas like, hey, I want you here,
but I can't to your point put it out there,
and all of a sudden, you know, you worry about
giving the agent too much fodder, you know, coming in
and saying, Hey, you said we're going to win a
super Bowl with this guy, so I need you to
pay me super Bowl quarterback money. But I do think
that over certainly since over the course of your head
(15:30):
coaching career and since then, we have seen the quarterback
take on a bigger role within the overall kind of
face of the franchise, almost like a junior CEO nowadays
of the franchise. And I think one of the strengths
of your career outside looking in was your relationship as
a head coach with the quarterback. How important is it
(15:53):
for the quarterback and the head coach to be on
the same page and have a little back and forth
versus there being a Look, I'm the coach, you're the player.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
This is how it is, Jackson.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I think that you can't overstate that that is so important,
and so I'll be honest with you. I thought when
Russell Wilson and Pete they seemed to bang and then
all of a sudden it led to the departure. In
my own mind, I'm going, it's hard for me to
understand how a coach, how you could let a relationship
(16:25):
change that much with your all pro quarterback to where
either he wants to leave or you wanted to leave.
You know, you know now having said that, listen, Farvar
and I banged heads. Steve Young and I banged heads.
Assle Beck and Eye banged heads. But they knew I
loved them, and they knew I wanted them to get
(16:47):
I wanted to get the best out of them. But
you know that has to work in my opinion, the
head coach and the thing is different now, is to
your point, the quarterbacks are getting paid so much money,
and I go to Aaron Rodgers just a little bit,
(17:09):
all of a sudden they view themselves or can view
themselves as more than a team leader or a player.
I want to make some of these decisions. Okay, that's
when you draw that. There is a right line there
with me, and there would be now today. You know so,
(17:30):
I think if but if you have a great relationship
with your quarterback, your team's going to be better. It is.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Try to take a time out.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I just want to reiterate what I said at the
top of the show and have coach hear it and
hopefully have it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You know, let us sink in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
In the twenty four years before you took over the
Green Bay Packers, they made the playoffs two times in
those twenty four years, and you let them the playoffs
every single year except the first year when you were
turning that ship around. And in the twenty three years
before you came to Seattle, the Hawks made the playoffs
four times, and you took them to the playoffs six
times in a decade, including a Super Bowl appearance. If
(18:07):
that's not Hall of Fame, I don't know what is.
We'll talk about the Super Bowl with the Super Bowl
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Speaker 7 (18:18):
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Speaker 2 (18:38):
Four thirty ninety three point three KJRFM Live from the
five to twenty Bar and Grill the Mike Holmgren Show,
which we normally have on a Thursday, we moved it
to Friday this week. Getting set for the Super Bowl.
Jackson Bevans joins us here, andrews Hurst back at the
studio and coach. We were joking about Andy Reid in
the break and you were telling some some good stories
(19:00):
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I'm wondering, Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
One of the reasons I can't wait for the game
on Sunday is because every time Andy Reid coaches on
a Super Bowl, in a Super Bowl, he gets some
random dude five yards open in the end zone on
a play that we've never seen by No, So is
he cooking up those things in the two weeks leading up?
(19:25):
Are those plays that he's already had in his back
pocket that they practiced in August or because it's it's
amazing that he had one play in a Super Bowl
a couple years ago where two guys were opened by
five yards and if he had two footballs, Mahomes could
have completed both of them at the same time.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
No, I think, you know, he has a very similar
play sheet to the one I had. And I grew
up with coach Walsh and and he was with me,
and so's they're similar. You go into the Super Bowl
two weeks and you have you're not gonna change everything
you shouldn't. You know you've done something well, You're gonna
(20:04):
run those things. You're going to tweak formations and motions
a little bit. But then you're going to have ten
plays that you have not shown before you have never run?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Wow, And when do you practice those?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
When?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
When?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
When have you practiced those plays?
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Have you? Are?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Those are those new plays?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
New new plays? They're for the two weeks?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh okay, so they're not plays that you did in August
and just haven't happened to run and the whole season
are wow?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Okay, you know want anyone else to see him? No
one's seen him, and you know, you you run them
at a certain time of practice. You talk about it
in the meetings a lot, but they have a veteran team.
They're you know, you also have to make sure that
you believe that the players can do it. It can't
be just some well this is I dreamt about this.
(20:50):
This should work, But I don't have that guy. I
don't have that. He's not fast enough or whatever. It
has to work. He will do that. He's very creative
that way. And you know I told you the story
off off the speakers here about me telling him that
he's changed everything I've ever taught him, and he goes, no, no,
I just little motion here, little, it's the same stuff.
(21:11):
It's just a little treat here.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I go, okay, Well, you know, to pickback of the
way that I look at Andy Reid, I see him
as a poker player who has an extra card in
his hand. It's like he's playing with six cards. Everyone
else has five. And we see it in the Super
Bowls to Dick's point, where he does always have that
one extra thing, even even that game clinching play against Buffalo.
(21:36):
Every time they've run out of that look and moved
everyone to the right, the play goes right, and then
here comes to maggp Ryan, who hasn't touched the ball
in a month, just leaking out to the left here
going to the super Bowl. But you've known Andy Reid
for a long time. You were telling me before we
hop back on the air that you worked with him
at BYU. Now it's easy looking back to say, oh,
(22:00):
what an amazing coach. Was there any point, or more accurately,
at what point during your relationship with him did you
realize he could be special as a coach?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You know, I thought when he was I was in
charge of the graduate graduate assistance. He was one of
those guys, one of six, and I got to know him,
and it didn't take too long, Jackson, before I realized one,
he's very smart, very smart, and I loved his personality.
I loved his sense of humor. I just we connected. Yeah, Okay.
(22:33):
Then I told him then when I left BYU to
go to the forty nine ers, if I ever get
a chance to be a head coach, I'm gonna call it.
And then I helped him also. I phoned San Francisco
State University, where I had and then got him in there.
So that's where he first coached when he left and
so then but then he went on his own and
(22:53):
worked in University of Missouri and now Passo in those places.
But and then I hired him and he came with
me to to Green Bay. Was young at the time. UH,
and he was a line coach, though his whole life
was a lineman. He was a line coach. I said,
you're gonna coach tight ends. He goes, no, what you know? Hey,
(23:16):
it's like, you know, I don't know if you have
kids or somebody. It's like talking to your son and
all saying. I wanted to what do you mean I
could throw the ball? I said, no, no, no, you're
gonna I need you to coach tight ends. And I said, plus,
you worked in the running game obviously, but then you'll
learn the passing game.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And then he did that for a few years. And
then when Mary Steve mary Yucci left you know, uh,
and Marty Morningway was there with us too then and
he later became quarterback coach and and he did a
great job because he really communicated well with Brett. He
was kind of in the in between, UH. And he
stood in between me and Brett when I wanted to
(24:00):
strangle Brett. You know, he's going it up in the way.
It's my fault. I go, no, if there's a in
an NFL films thing, all right where where? And he's said,
he goes, no, it was on me. And so I
I'm yelling at Brett's behind, kind of smiling, and and
I goes and get out. It's not on you, it's
on him.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I getta get out the way.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So, but I knew early on. I knew early on.
And listen, we competed against each other when he is
in Philly. We stay in contact a little bit, texting
the little things. Uh. But yeah, he's he's one of
the he's really a good coach, and he's a better person.
(24:40):
He's really a good guy.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Sounds like somebody I know sit at his table over there.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
But hey, it's like it's like I told you, man.
Andy Reid is the spiritual successor.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
To Mike Holmgren. I mean we are.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
We're just seeing the more modern version. Andy Reid is
what Mike Holmgren would be.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
If he started coaching.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
That's exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Can I tell one quick, one quick one? Okay, we'd
have our Saturday night meeting and then after the meeting
at nine o'clock, we'd have the cheeseburgers and the food
for the players. They loved it and they take it
to the room or staying there. Okay. I'd come in
after doing my thing, getting the gathering things up. The
coaches never wanted to sit with me, my assistants, head coach,
(25:25):
so except Dandy, you know, he come over and I'd
like that, which could talk, But he would build. He
would build what I used to call the matter horn
of cheeseburgers. There's the plate. There was the plate, and
there's not just one hamburger. It's just he'd stack it
up in a way and then put stuff on it,
(25:46):
and chili and all sorts of stuff, so it was
actually a mountain. And then he'd start going. And I
appreciate him sitting with me, but he couldn't talk. He's
just not.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
He'd not shake it mustache back then.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You know you much, I so we know. But he
I tease him now about, hey, make sure you get
your cheeseburgers before before the super Bowl. You need it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
What kind of gaming we're gon We're going to see,
what's the kind of recipe for these two teams to
get it done.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think it's going to be a great game. I
really do. And as much as I'm pulling from my buddy, uh,
Philadelphia to me is I think they're really good if
they play their game and and there and a couple
you know, they got good offensive line, they got a
good defensive line. There, they have good people. I think
(26:37):
the difference in the game could be Uh, the coach, absolutely,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's I mean, that's why I'm banking on Caseyi. The
coach of the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah, that's that's it, because I think Philadelphia might have
him licked everywhere else.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
They're Philadelphia is really good. And you know what Bark
has done this year along with their great offense, and
they have a good offensive line and the quarterback to
their quarterback could run too, So it's all you know,
it'll be it'll be a good game, two game to watch.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And I think it was Coward this week said that
he thinks the Philadelphia roster is better than any team
in the NFL since the Seahawks twenty fourteen roster.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I have the exact same opinion. Yeah, I think I
think this year's Eagles team and I felt that way
honestly last year about the forty nine ers roster, but
I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
They're better at quarterback than and the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
And you know, I think one thing that's very very
interesting to me is the Chiefs come into this game
on an NFL record streak of winning seventeen consecutive one
scorer game, which is honestly one of the craziest football
stats I've ever heard in my life. And I don't
want to hear nonsense about all it's because of the rest.
(27:53):
That's his lazy football analysis. I don't know if you've
got time for it. I got no time for it.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I got no time.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Okay, great.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
So my question to you is how much of a
streak like that is skill versus getting lucky in close games?
And if it is a skill situation, what is it
the sets teams that consistently win one score games apart
from those that don't.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
I think it's skilled. Certainly, it's all the things you mentioned,
the skill luck, the other team fumbles one play, there's
one play, Yeah, there's a turnover, but then then the
quarterback play. I will say this when there's forty nine ers,
when we had Joe Montana, there you know, we won
a Super Bowl driving from our own ten all the
(28:39):
way down to win the game. You know, you get quarterbacks,
Mahomes is shown the ability to win those situations get
it done. They just believe. They get in the autumn,
We're gonna get this done. And that's come from winning
game after game after game after game like that. Now,
(29:02):
as a coach, you would like to be able to
breathe a little bit. You know. Yeah, that's hard, absolutely,
but you're right, that is an amazing stack. And then think
about it. That is an amazing stack.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
It's an entire season, seventeen, so you have to be
you can't have that happen on just skill.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, it's got to be. There's luck involved, there's a penalty,
there's an official. So now you know, I love the officials.
You know that day, Oh of course. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
They were always good to you.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
And as you know, I mean, so they factor in,
they factor in, They factored in. Honestly, you could make
a case the Kansas City maybe shouldn't be in the game,
maybe Buffalo should be. Yeah, you know so, but they're
in it, and uh and then they have a they
have a real smart coach, no.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Question about it Well, you told us a story.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
We got a couple of stories for you in the
next segment from a couple of your fans, and we'll
play that next on ninety three point three KJAR.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:24):
Welcome back five to twenty four and Grill Saftian Dick
without the soft One.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Jackson Bevans is in.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Mike Holmgren is here our final segment of The Mike Holmgren.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Show and Coach.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
We thought we'd We've had a lot of folks on
the air chatting about you this week and telling stories,
and we thought we'd share some of these with you,
and we'll start with the greatest left tackle of all time,
Walter Walter Jones on why you're a Hall of Famer
in his book.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
He did it the right way for me personal he's
my Hall of Fame coach because he came here and
changed us.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Standing here in Seattle.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
You know, when I came here, he was like, hey,
listen to me, We'll get y'all to a super Bowl.
Didn't win it, but still again, I think he changed
the culture here in Seattle. Everybody got used to see
him winning and now you can see that now because
everybody want to be part of something great. And that's
what he was able to do here when he came
to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know, coach, you know, and Sophy and I we're
talking about it yesterday. I mean before you showed up,
like the super Bowl, that wasn't even stuff that us
little kids in Seattle even contemplated was possible. Like that
wasn't even a thing. I mean, just getting to the
playoffs was unbelievable. Super Bowl, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
But you change the culture, well, it was you know,
the players. It was a group effort, you know, and
they but you go into a place, a new team, uh,
and you hear that changing the culture. Everyone says that,
what does that mean? You know, So you have to
implement your thoughts. You have to make sure you're talking
(31:50):
to the right players to have good leadership, pick the
good leadership on the team. I was at a players
committee you know, and if if they weren't listen to me,
they'd listened to them so I could talk to them
to get to them, you know. So yeah, it's uh,
I love those guys so well.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You talk about good leaders.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
The last two cuts we're gonna hear is from one
of the best you've ever had, and that's about Hasselbeck.
And you talked about the story about yelling at Brett
Farr with Andy Reid in the middle. He's he's got
one about you being a little intimidating towards Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
My college coach was Tom Coughlin. My dad played for
Bill Parcells. I've been around all those type guys. I've
had Hall of Fame O Lineman type coaches. Nobody is
more intimidating than Mike Holmgren.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Nobody. I mean, he's an enormous human being.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
He's very fiery, he's super competitive, and yes, like there
is another side to him, Like I'd see him with
his wife and his daughters and his grandkids and he's
like the most tender, sweet like grandfather and that's like
a different person. It's like it's not even the same.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
The intimidation factor was real I mean, but I saw him.
I saw him get intense with Reggie White.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
I saw him get really intense with Brett farr And
and Toback and Walter Jones and Dilfer and like, you know,
all the guy Ricky Waters like I saw it. So
I think for me, I know, it was like okay
that he got mad at me, you know what I mean,
Like I get I got to see him.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I still got this.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I mean, he went off. I talked about this today.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
He went off on Andy Reid whenever he wanted to
yell at Brett fark Like, he got to.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
The point where like I can't. He's like, I can't
yell at Brett Farv anymore. You know, he's not listening.
He's like that. He's like that teenager, like, oh, I've
just been in two Super Bowls and I just won
three MVPs in a row.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
So he was like, I'm done yelling at Brett. I'm
now just gonna scream at Andy. Andy, if he does
that again, you are fired. And it was it was like,
you know, but there's there's some genius in it too,
And it was like it was almost like I wouldn't
be at all surprised if Mike Home.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
And Andy Reid were in on it together.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Like good cop, bad cops Ie and.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And so like.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
It wasn't like, it wasn't necessarily a temper, although it
made a bit might have been.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
It was more of like, I'm gonna pull you where
you don't even know you can go. I'm gonna push
you to where you don't even know that you can go.
Speaker 9 (34:17):
And I would say he did that with the assistant
coaches as well, giving giving them the leeway to open
up their minds and get creative and think outside the box.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
But he was He obviously meant a lot to me,
and I'm still using those lessons.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
But there it's hard not to chuckle sometimes at how
how tough it was at a certain points.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Well, there's that Andy Reid story where you're yelling at
Brett fav and then going away, Yeah, confirming your side
of the story.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Police. I'm glad Matt didn't tell some of the other things.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well, Coach, what stood out to me was when he
talked about how fire you were, and then how genteel
you are with the people around you and your family,
your kids, and like, I just remember the first time
I met you. You walked into the studio in our
old building, and I was like, oh my god, is
this guy gonna be the same just red face screaming
(35:15):
into his microphone? You know, is he gonna be as
intense as he looks on television?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And he wasn't you know?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You spent you and I talked about the draft for
like ten minutes. We're just sitting there. You were waiting
to go on the air. You'd never met me before,
you didn't know me from Adam, and I just you know,
you made me feel special. It's just this punk, twenty five,
twenty six year old kid, and it was. It was
really incredible. It's just a testament to who you are.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Well, thanks Dick. I get home home now and I
get three or four envelopes a day with cards to sign.
You know, the people sending me I send cards back.
Almost every picture that they've found somewhere has me just
scream at somebody. I've met guys that say, you don't
(36:06):
seem you don't scream all the time. I said, no,
I don't scream all the time. But I you know what,
as I said, I love coaching and and uh, and
they knew I love him. I told I took all
the linemen out for dinner when Hutch went into the
Hall of Fame. Cool and that was there. Yeah, and uh,
(36:27):
Max Strong and Jim Zorn and we took it. I
took him to dinner, and of course they were buying wine.
They spent you know, I wasn't a cheaper It wasn't
a cheap dinner. But then Tobek started the ball rolling.
He started telling the stories about me and what I
had done to him, and then everyone piped in, so
it was a roast. They killed me, you know, but
(36:49):
we laughed, and uh, it was just such a good
feeling to know ten years removed, fifteen years removed from
the players that we still could meet like and have fun.
That's the best part of coaching. Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That's awesome. Well, coach, we appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I know it's been a rough twenty four hours, but
I hope we have a little levity over the last
hour and had some fun.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
It's really good. And Jackson, nice meeting you, and good
luck with all that stuff. And I hope you have
me back next year.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Absolutely, Okay, without question, we'll see, if you'll see if
your protege you can get another dub on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, there we go, There we go? Are we now?
This is it?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Let's well, we'll have our people talk to your people.
How about okay, I mean we need to have you
on after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I would think, yeah, we'll see, we'll do that. Thanks coach, guys, thank.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
You, you bet.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's Mike call.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm gonna be back for the five o'clock hour next
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