Softy & Dick 1-16 Hour 1: Hawks OC, Trade Idea, FwA, Gus Williams

In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain discuss the Seahawks looking at Klint Kubiak to be their next Offensive Coordinator, react to a Hawks trade idea from Fox’s Colin Cowherd, then listen to some Fun with Audio before remembering the late, great Gus Williams with an old interview and some audio from the 1979 Sonics championship.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We go. I don't know where to start today.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Man, we got this news about Clint Kubiat getting a
second interview. I saw where the Cowboys were going to
talk to Leslie Frasier about their head coaching opening. The
Deon Sanders thing is still going on hot and heavy
in Dallas. Ed Warder, who I can never ever ever
forgive from messing up to Jared Allen's story about five
years ago when he tweeted out and reported that Jared

(00:24):
Allen was going to the Seahawks and it never happened.
That still pisses me off today. He says, if he's
offered that Dion would take it, and there were rumors
and thoughts years ago that Dion didn't want to coach
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well we'll see.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Diana Rassini says, it's all just smoking nonsense, that they
got kind of caught with their pants down with the
McCarthy thing, and they're just kind of throwing names out
there now.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
So we'll see what happens with him.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
But look, man, for me, the news that came down yesterday,
were sitting there at the Huskey basketball game, and we'll
chat about that in a second. That Gus Williams had
passed away, and I got to know Gus obviously a
lot more after he was done playing, because he was
like when he retired, I think I was fifteen when
they won the championship. I was six years old, for
God's sake, So I had no reason to even know
him as a guy until way after his career was over.

(01:08):
Same thing with you, obviously, but it just hits home, man.
I mean, you know a guy that if you were
eleven twelve years old in that era watching these guys play,
they were frigging heroes Mane and Gus Williams for a
lot of people was the first hero a lot of
sports fans had this time.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I mean, my first favorite basketball player was Gus Williams.
I mean, I can just name all my first favorites,
right it was.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
It was Spike Going, Believe it or not, I love
Spike Going so much.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
But I love Spike Going, name I Fish Spike, Gus
Williams in basketball, and Steve Large and the football. I mean,
those were just my favorite guys. And to see one
pass just devastating me.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, it was the guy that sat out an entire
season over a salary dispute with Sam Shulman and then
came back and earned the Comeback Player of the Year,
which is just kind of weird, right that a guy
sits out. He's not hurt, he's not sick, there's nothing
going on. He's pissed about his contract and decides to
sit out, comes back and kills it.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
He gets the Comeback Player of the Year.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
But then you start thinking about, Okay, DJ's gone, JJ's gone,
Lonnie's gone, Gus is gone, Paul Silas is gone. Uh,
Frankfurtado has gone. And a hot baker I think passed
away a couple of years ago. We used to have
him as a neighbor of ours down in Bellevue when
I was a kid grown up, Bob Blackburn passed away.
We'd see him running around all over Woodwidge Hill as
well in Bellevue. Remember the the basketball cards the cops

(02:27):
used to hang out. I still have a sheet downstairs.
Oh yeah, Jackson. Back in the day, the police used
to give us trading cards. You know what they give
you now?

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yes, I don't think trading cards.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
No, they would give you the basketball cards, uh, Seahawk
cards for sure. I don't know if they did Mariner
cards or not, but it was like Sea First Bank
used to sponsor these and somehow, some way, the police
officers were the ones that came out.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
What a cops can't pass out the kids nowadays, I
don't know. I can't even imagine cuffs.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I guess, yeah, man, But that was a different time.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was a different era, back in the day when
Gus Williams and those guys are running around. So anyway,
the point is, we found a interview that we did
from the Jackson from the Sports Star Bank. What is
that right, Yes, they were honoring that that team that
won the championship and forty year anniversary of the seventy
nine Sonics, And we're gonna replay that conversation with you

(03:18):
coming up at four o'clock this afternoon. And then Bob
Buker turns out this morning. Bob Bucker died at the
age of ninety years old. And look, I mean, obviously
for us in Seattle, you know, if you're in Milwaukee,
he's basically he's your Dafty House, if not bigger. He's
Jack Buck to Saint Louis, he's all that because he
was a national figure. He was in the movies, he
was on TV shows, he was a bitch man. You

(03:40):
know a lot of us that never really got to
know Bob is a play by play guy because he
was doing games in Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
You know, I know him for I must be here
the front row for that you know.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Commercial he used to do obviously back in the day,
you know the beer commercial. And he was a guy
that was all over the TV with commercials and you
know TV shows and things like that. And I don't know, man,
this get an old thing sucks sometimes. Man, that's twenty
four hours.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
It sucked, no question about. It's a kid's you know,
it's from our childhood. And I remember Bob Uker first
and foremost from mister Belvidere, Right, That's where I remember.
I didn't I don't even think I knew when I
was watching mister Belvidere that Bob Yucker was a baseball
announce right.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I just thought he was an actor.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Right, And then you'd see him in the Miller like commercials,
and then you found out, oh wait, he does play
by play. Yeah, I had no idea when I was
like ten years old.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I think a lot of people are like that. For
me growing up, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Pat Summer all played football until way later John Madden
was a coach, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean, all these guys you watch on TV and
you kind of know more as broadcasters and media personalities
than players and coaches.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Man, So two.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Guys will be missed for sure, But we're gonna again
replay a conversation from five years ago with Gus Williams
at four o'clock and then also relive and listen to
the last minute or so of that win over the
Bullets in Washington, d C. June of nineteen seventy nine,
when Gus throws the ball in the air and the
Sonics win their first ever NBA championship and Less Hobigger

(05:01):
did the hot Bigger hop right with Bob Blackburn.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
This is actually with Brent Musberger.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's the TV version, by the way, of that call
that will give you coming up at four o'clock. All right,
So we got that going on on fun with audio
Seahawks Clint Kubiak going to a second interview, and it
certainly feels like the Kubiak to Seattle. But Possibility has
a lot of momentum. I mean, he's thirty seven years old.
He called plays for Dennis Allen a year ago. Look, obviously,

(05:25):
I don't know how much you can take from the
Saints last year because everybody was banged up. Remember they
had those first couple games of the year where they
were just lighting the world on fire, and then everybody
got hurt and they.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Just totally fell apart.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Derek Carr missed seven games, Chrystlave missed nine games, Shie'd
missed eleven, Kamara miss three, and Taysom Hill missed nine.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
So is this dude the right guy for the job
in Seattle? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean they were twenty first in rushing attempts a
year ago. They ran the ball fourner in forty four
times compared to three to eighty for the Hawks, so
it wasn't much different. You would think without a real game,
maybe they would have pounded the run. I mean they
threw the ball two and a half times.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
The Seahawks last year threw the ball two and a
half times more per game than New Orleans did, so
in a lot of ways it was kind of similar.
I don't know how much we could look at the
numbers Dick from last year and get a real feel
for what this guy's all about.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think I think pass play percentage, I think is
more important than how many run pass plays you run,
because it's how balanced are you. And they were eighteenth
and pass play percentage this past year, so right smack
in the middle. They were fifteenth in Minnesota three years
ago when he was the offensive coordinator there, so at
least he has two years of evidence that says he

(06:39):
isn't gonna be run heavy and he isn't gonna be
pass heavy, And for me, that's exactly what I'm looking
for Minnesota. In twenty twenty one, they were thirteenth in
the NFL at twenty five points per game. They had
Kirk Cousins go for thirty three touchdowns seven interceptions, so
an outstanding touchdown to interception ratio. Dalvin Cook had eleven
hundred and fifty nine yards on four point seven yards

(07:01):
per carry, and JJ got one hundred and sixty seven targets.
They got their number one guy one hundred and sixty
seven targets for sixteen hundred and sixteen yards, so you
it would appear that he had talent, but he was
able to get the football to those talented players better
than the Seahawks did.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
This, but was he the play caller? Though for them
he was.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
The offensive coordinator. He was, and they had a defensive coach.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, if you think.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
What about it, So San Francisco did not call plays
and Denver, I'm assuming he did not call plays. He
was the past coordinator, a quarterback guy. What years was
he with Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Again, he was the play He was the offensive coordinator
for only one year, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, left, got you? Yeah? Four years ago or five
years ago? Now, Look, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I mean, I just I just kind of tend to
default to what Jackson said a few days ago. Just
tell me who the offensive linemen are going to be, right,
I mean, if you want to hire Clint Kubiak, hire
Clint Kubiak, right, I mean, I'm not going to throw
a fit either way about any of these guys. I mean,
the guy from the Lions, the Freiley guy. Actually, that
idea kind of intrigues me a little bit, to be
honest with you, I know a lot of people off yeah,

(08:05):
I know a lot of people are nervous about it.
But what's been the biggest problem with this football team.
It's the fricking offensive line. Go out and get the
best damn offensive line guy you can find.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Let's go around.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Best offensive line coach, and then get a guy that's
actually cold play for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
But Frayley might be so in demand right now that
you may have no choice but to throw him that
kind of a bone to get him.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I don't know. I don't know how in demand he is.
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I just like the idea of going out and getting
an offensive coordinator who his first thing he thinks about
is his offensive line play and fixing the offensive line
and running the football, and going out and getting a
guy that can help him with the passing game.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Maybe he can call plays, maybe he can.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I just think it's time for the Hawks to kind
of think outside the box a little bit here, you know.
And I think going out and getting a guy like
Freyley would be thinking outside the box. And if you're
talking about fifty one Frayley forty nine, somebody else serve
fifty point nine, forty nine point one whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I don't really my heart set on anybody.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean, you know, somebody texted me the other day
and said, who do you want for the OC? I
don't care you know, honestly, I really don't just go
out and get me a guy who.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Can fix this.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
And if if the guy that can fix it is
Hank Frayley, if Hank Frayley is so unbelievable with his
offensive line acumen, then go get him. And if it
means you got to make him the offensive coordinator and
hire a guy to whisper pass plays in his ear,
then whatever, whatever the deal is, I just want to
know who the line they're going to be. And I
want to know is Mike McDonald gonna get a chance

(09:31):
to make this higher or a Schneider gonna shove this
thing down his throat?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Again?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Is Hank Frayley a great offensive line coach?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't notice Hank Frayley have Taylor Decker, Frank Ragnow,
Kevin Zeitler, and p suwel on it. Maybe, I mean
they have maybe taking I first round offensive lineman for
like five years and that's probably why their all line is.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Maybe he turned them into Pro Bowl players. Again, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean I don't I don't know enough about what
happens behind the scenes with the Lions to have a
real take on this. I mean, I don't think any
of us. Can you want to get somebody off from Detroit, Fine,
we'll get Matt darry On or well Houston.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
He's nervous about an offensive line.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, no, I mean, look, somebody.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Everyone's gonna start somewhere, right, Everyone's got to get promoted
somewhere and start somewhere.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
A tight ends coach Andy Reid was the tight ends
coach for Mike Holmgren and became one of the greatest
play callers and head coaches in the history of the NFL.
Mike Holmgren was working under Bill Walsh and George Seaffert
and became one of the great play callers and head
coaches in the history of the National Football League. So
everybody's got to start somewhere. And if the league thinks
and if Schneider and McDonald think that hake Frayley's going

(10:38):
to be a star, then whatever, go get him.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
But just give him the pieces, give him the pieces.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Right, Like, why why should we why should we believe
right now until we actually see it. And you can
both chime in on this that anything is going to
be different with this offensive coordinator that it was with
grub or Waldron or Schottenheimer at the There's no why
should we not believe that this guy is just another

(11:03):
dude Jackson that's gonna find himself getting fired.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
There's no reason to believe that, because the reality is this,
this offense is not gonna go until it gets an
interior offensive line. I mean, we had the joke near
the end of the season, right, it was like, what
are the three biggest issues of the Seahawks And I
said left guard, right, garden center.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
I mean, right, that's the reality.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
The situation is until we get those positions short up
this offense, it's not gonna run well, it's not gonna
pass well. And that's why I want Geno Gonness, because
I want to use that thirty million on lineman because
that's the only way this offense is in the long
run gonna have any success.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
And look, I get being positive, right, to get trying
to just take a positive outlook on this, But honestly,
this is a guy in John Schneider who has admitted
before Dick right that he doesn't value interior linemen. He
said that, Yes, now maybe he thinks differently. Now it's
certainly possible he does.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Well, I would hope evidence would be consented to him
that he should put a little more stress.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
You would think, you would think, and I would tend
to hope that you're right about that. But outside of
just being a Seahawk fan and wanting to believe which, Okay,
if that's your take and you want to walk around
like that, then fine, why should we believe that this
next coordinator is gonna be any different?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well, we've had coordinators in the past that have turned
okay offensive linemen into a great offensive line, like the
look at the I mean the two thousand and five
when you can throw out because you had two Hall
of Famers on the left side. But Pete Carroll, there
were some offensive lines in the early you know, in
the championship run where you didn't look at that offensive
line and see see all pros.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
You didn't see Pro bowlers.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
But they were able to open up holes for Marshawn Lynch,
they were able to protect Russell Wilson. They got a
little bit, you know, the worse over the course of
four or fives, but they were able to do the job.
And you would you would not have considered the twenty thirteen, fourteen,
and fifteen offensive lines weaknesses of the team, would you No, No,
And yet there were no stars on that team. Did

(12:59):
we have a Pro bowler on that team?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think Unger and o'kooon may have made it, but
I have to look it up.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
But they were I mean, they were just above average guys.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
They were one of the highest paid lines in football too. Yeah,
they spent some money in that line. Yeah, I mean, look,
I look, I mean I get it. You know that
there's been guys that have come through here before that
have been okay, but we're talking about you just referenced
something that took.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Place twenty years ago. I mean none of that has
got squatted with Schneider ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, Championship twenty thirteen team, and part of that was
also Pete Carroll was here, and part of that was
also Marshawn Lynch, and you know Tom Cable came lately.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I mean, look, I get it.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I'm kind of more skeptical and maybe it's just my nature.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I don't know, dude.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, I'm just kind of more with Jackson that
until we see it, I think there's reason for Seahawk
fans to be real skeptical about whether or not John
Schneider can do this. That's why I just kind of
like the idea of going out and saying, Okay, what
has been your biggest problem, what's been your biggest weakness. Well,
it's been the freaking line, all of us, get that right,
It's been the line quarterback. You know me personally, I

(14:01):
think when Russell, when Gina was here backing up Russell
Wilson and Russell's last year was twenty twenty one, Is
that right? Twenty twenty one was Russell's last year?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Is that correct? Yes, when Gina was here backing up Russell.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
If you were to come to me in the middle
of the twenty twenty one season and said this is
how Geno Smith will look and perform as a starting
quarterback for three years, that would have exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I mean, I've told you guys this before. I remember
going on the air. Gino Smith or Drew Lock, I
don't care, they're both bums. We're gonna need a new
quarterback at some point. Start who you want. So Gino has,
in a little bit of a way, and maybe in
a lot of bit of a way, exceeded my expectations
of him. But you still need to upgrade there, and
you still need to fix this offensive line to help
out whoever the next quarterback is going to be, especially

(14:49):
if you are a fan of which I am, by
the way, going out and getting the future a younger
guy built on a line that he can play behind
and go get a freaking savant that can do that.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
And if that guy your offensive coordinator, Jackson, then so.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
Tom Cable looking at his uh Wikipedia right now, he
hasn't had a job since twenty twenty one with the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I don't know, Mexico, you know what Listen?

Speaker 6 (15:12):
I mean, like, really, Tom Cable was the last offensive
line coach we had any success under Andy Dickerson, Mike Salari.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
I mean, like, listen, Like.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
The realistic truth is the fact that it's the player's
quality that's going to make this team go. Yes, if
you can get a coach in here, a law Tom
Cable to make a group better than this, you know,
better than just his parts, that's who you're looking for.
I don't know who that is, but you're looking for
a guy like Tom Cable.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Who did the who did the Chiefs do the deal
with to move up and get Mahomes in the draft.
Remember who they traded with? Who was the who was
the team they traded with? Because I'm just I'm just
thinking about what Jackson just said there about the players
make the coach.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, every now and then there's gonna be okay, the Bills.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So let's let's say somehow, some way, the Bill's got
a better offer than the Chiefs, and the Chiefs don't
get my hopes. Where's Andy Reid right now? Where's he?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
He's a good coach.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah he's losing the first round of the fight, but he's
not this. He's got Alex Smith, not anymore. But he
would add Alex Smith for two or three more years
and they would have won eleven games, and he would
have won a playoff game.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
That's about But he's not what he is.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
So give us players, okay, give us freaking players. Enough
with this ripping off the band aid and uh, you know,
growing a new scab and going back and replacing this coach,
replacing that coach, We're just covering up the root of
the prob which is Schneider can't draft lineman and he
can't sign lineman either. He can't build a line. And
until you show me that changing Dick, I don't care

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who the offensive coordinator is.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I just don't.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's interesting that you mentioned trading up in the draft. Yeah,
because in the next segment.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Okay, sound all right, hold that trading up in because
we have another segment of it's been a while since
we've done this.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
By the way, what did Dick learn on the Colin
Cowhard Show today?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
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I think the audience has missed it. Jackson certainly has

(17:41):
messed it. I know you've missed it.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's time for another edition of what did Dick Fane
learn on the Colin Cowhard Show.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
What kind of caught me off guard? And this was
kind of an out of the blue thing. I was
sitting there on that, I was on the on the treadmill,
and I had to stop it and go record this
and send it to send it to Jackson.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
So, by the way, can you record that for the
open right there? I just did just.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Idea And because the conversation was about Dion Sanders. The
start of the conversations about Dion Sanders and what what
type of team he potentially would want to go to,
and then it morphed into a conversation about his son
should doure And here's where we went.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
If the draft was next week, I could see Deon
saying I'm just gonna see where my son goes. And
if it's a rocky, weird team, I'll just wait for
red it out The problem is what if a good
team moves up in drafts him and you're like, wait,
what about Giants.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Let's say he falls to the New York That's a mess.

Speaker 10 (18:37):
You know, I did.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Dables on the hot seat though, Deon, you don't think
that they would love him in New York. That personality,
that's a that's a potential.

Speaker 9 (18:43):
Let me throw a team out there, Seattle.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
You think the trade up or he falls.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
I think Seattle hasn't ready to win big playoff game
now roster and they're jammed up a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
I think I'll give you DK.

Speaker 9 (18:59):
Metcalf and two first to move up to chadur if
Chador is better than Gino, and I think it's possible
I can find a receiver. I think the Seattle Seahawks
are a wild card. Two first, I will give you
will flip first this year, and then I'll give you
two other first, and I'll give you DK Metcalf and
a four the next year. I don't I don't know

(19:20):
that anybody's given up that much for Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Now, I would agree with what McIntyre said at the end.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
There that's Jess McIntyre. Yeah, that is way too much
who are we trading with?

Speaker 4 (19:35):
You would be trading with probably the we're.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Talking about who the team the Titans. Titans have the
top pick in the draft right now, followed by the Browns,
so you be trading with one. Then they both need quarterback,
and then New England Titans did a quarterback. The Browns
need a quarterback. Giants need a quarterback. Patriots took May,
Jaguars have Lawrence, the Raiders need a quarterback. The Jets
need a quarterback. Carolina has got Bryce Young Saints could

(19:59):
use it quarterback. The Bears have Caleb's like seven of
the top ten team. Let's say you're you know, let's
say you're trading up. Let's say you're trading up to two.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
All right, I did the little Hughes little Fitzgerald Spielberger
chart that he likes to steal like Bielberger chart.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
That chart has the second pick at twenty six and
forty nine points, the eighteenth pick, which is what the
Seahawks have.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
At fifteen thirty five.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
So that's about a thousand, eleven hundred less. So the
equivalent of that is just a first and dk or
a first and a second round pick. You would not
have to trade to first and DK, Like he's talking about,
if you just went by the chart, it would be
a first and a second, or if the team would

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prefer a first and DK Metcalf, then you could go
that direction. That to me is intriguing what he said
there at the end to first DK Metcalf.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I mean, you just might as well give him the
whole freaking pot spread.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Are the Saints desperate? Are the Jets desperate? Are the Raiders?
What's the trade market going to look like? Who are
you competing with? All that stuff? I I I guess
for me the general idea. First of allf you're trading
two first rounders and DK Metcalf for a draft pick
to draft the quarterback, then you think that guy is
going to be a star? Do we Thinkers is going
to be a star?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I like Schador Standers, but I don't know enough about
him too.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I haven't break broken down the film. What I like about?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
By the way, Well, because I'm I'm come on to capable, buddy,
we pay you.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm not gonna I'm disappointed.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
You want me to break down a basketball player, although
we don't care about that. We want to be able
to break down Japan, don't you want to hear to
give you my opinion of him. In my opinion thus
far is he has got the it factor because I
have seen Shador Sanders pull that team out of the
fire numerous times with like miraculous last five six minutes

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of games.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I wonder he is a gamer, there is no question
about it.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I wonder how much of this is because he's Deon
Sanders' son and he's loud and boisterous.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I mean, just that doesn't pull the game out of
the fire.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Right, But I think I think, I think his name
is at the forefront a little more because of who
he is and who he's related to. There's a lot
of glitz and glamour behind him and Dion for sure,
and they've done a really.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Good job with that.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I mean, I I do agree that Shador Sanders is
a really really good college quarterback.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Uh pff.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
By the way, just for giggles, on their latest big
board if you want to just take their work for
it has him at number forty two overall.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
That's a second round pick. They have a second round grade.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Right now, we all know you're going to go in
the top six. Just because of all the teams that
you said.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
There's also no quarterbacks out there. I mean there's cam Ward,
there's Jador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
I like Jackson Darton, he's not.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
A first PFF's got him as a sixth rounder by
the way, at one ninety three overall on their big board.
But just for the record, by the way, a PFF
on their big board a month ago had Jalen Milroll
number one, and now he's like number sixty nine haha,
by the way, So it's it's changing overnight. They're out
of what the hell they're doing with their stuff over there?
You know, the idea of trading for a quarterback. Hey,

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I'm I'm totally cool with it, you know if I
mean look, I mean if we go to bed, and
when I mean we, I mean John Schneider.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Because he's ultimately his balls on the line.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
If he believes that Sardor Sanders is going to be
a star in the NFL, then yes, you make that deal.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
If you are convinced.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
That Shador Sanders is going to be a star at
a multiple time all pro level quarterback. And I want
to say Pro Bowl to piss off you in case
he's listening, right, now, especially if he's.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
An alternate for the Pro Bowl. By the way, don't
do that.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
But if he believes that Shardor Sanders is going to
be a star in the NFL, to first.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
And DK, hell make it three first? Hell yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 11 (23:45):
If you if you, if you absolutely believe that in
your gut that this guy's going to be a stud,
can you imagine not trading for him because you wanted
to hang on to two first round picks that could
be bums and.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
DK metcalf I mean, DK's a stud. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think DK should be getting more numbers, you should
be getting more targets.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
He's a freaking star.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
What this guy does for the Seahawk offense and what
he can do for any offense is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So I'm not discounting DK at all.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
But if you think he's gonna be that kind of player,
there's no price you can pay that's too much. I mean,
looking back on it, was there a price that would
have been too much for my homes?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Not, of course none.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
If they do go the route of getting a quarterback
this year who they believe is their future quarterback, right,
that's the one scenario where I'm like, I'm okay, maybe
extending Geno because I want that new quarterback sitting behind here.
I do not want that new quarterback starting right away.
Because that's what the Raiders do, That's what the Jets do,

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That's what the terrible franchises do.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
They get, that's what the Panthers do.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
They get desperate, they draft a quarterback, they overdraft for
a quarterback, and then they're like, well, we need to
sell tickets, we need some excitement. We gotta throw this
guy into the field. And he gets thrown to the Wolves.
He has no idea what he's doing. So you've got him,
and whether you draft a mill Row, a Sanders or
Darter or whoever, sit that guy for a minimum of

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a year, build your team around it. You'll have an
awesome cap. As soon as Gino's gone, you'll have a
fabulous cap. You'll have a great defense with Mike McDonald,
and you can just run the ball with these guys.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I'm just trying to think about how old Russell was.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
He twenty four when he came here. Old.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, Shnora would be twenty two, I think. And the
Seahawks are not nearly as good as they were then
on offense, and they don't have the defense obviously, So
you know, I'm okay with playing a rookie as long
as it's in the scenario that Russell came into.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, but they're not there yet.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You say that, though, and I believe that the twenty
twenty four Seahawks were better than the twenty eleven Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm talking twelve.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, but when you drafted Russell after the twenty eleven season,
that would be the equivalent of drafting a quarterback after
this last season.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
And then they drafted Bobby Wagner also that same year.
Did I mean they did more guys.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
But if you want to compare apples to apples, you
got to compare the twenty eleven Hawks to the twenty
twenty four se Seahawks because the draft comes after those
two sets.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's not the team Schador's playing for. He's playing for
the twenty twenty five Seahawks and the team and Russell
didn't play that. Russell played for two two thousand, right,
So why are you telling me twenty eleven in twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Because those are irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
You can you can talk about Max and you understand
what I'm saying, I.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Think we need to you you need to phrase us slightly.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Are you saying what you thought they were? Is that
on your point?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I'm saying Russell got drafted immediately following the twenty eleven season.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Correct, Okay, yes, you got drafted in April of twenty
twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Shador Sanders or whomever would get drafted immediately following the
twenty twenty four seasons. So the comp is twenty eleven
to twenty of twenty four.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
No, the comp is what the team was, not what
you not what they were the year before. Dick. I
I understand what you're trying to say. I just think
you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You're you're telling me that the comparison to the twenty
twenty five Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Is to it's twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
But I'm saying I'm comping the twenty twenty four Hawks,
the one that just played, Okay, who went who won
ten games? Okay, with the twenty eleven which was right
before Russell. That one sentence we're talking about, the one
right before Chador versus the one right before Russell. That's
the comp I don't think it is, though, because that
Russell didn't play for that team, and Chador is not
going to play for this team.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Didn't play for the twenty twenty four team, just like
rush I didn't eleven team.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
What do I missing the hand? What am I missing here?
With you?

Speaker 6 (27:40):
I'm trying to make a correlation here that I'm I
don't understand missing.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
You can't compare twenty eleven to twenty twenty four, or
you can't compare twenty twelve to twenty twenty four because
twenty twelve already had a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
The point is.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
The point is is the team that Russell played for,
yes in twenty twelve, compared to twenty twenty five. Correct,
That's what I'm talking about. The team that Russell played
for was really good. Okay, but we didn't know. Doesn't
matter what we thought we did. That's that's irrelevance. Well,
we know what they were. They ended up being good.

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They had They had the number one scoring defense in
the NFL. They had the highest paid offensive on their
second highest paid offensive line. They had Marshawn they had
Golden Tate, they had Sydney Rice, they and Zach Muller.
They had Doug Baldwin, they had Michael Robinson. What we
thought they were going to be heading into twenty twelve
doesn't matter. It's what they were now. Look, I may
be also wrong about the twenty five team. I'm sitting

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here right now telling you the twenty twenty five team
is not as good as the twenty twelve team.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Maybe they will be on maybe they will be on defense.
They're gonna be right really good. They and they could
be because they really good. So that that backs up
the point even more.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
If you if, if, if they end up being that team,
and we won't really know until probably August, get a
feel for that when they get the roster together, then
maybe it does make sense to draft them and play
him as a rookie if they're gonna be as good
as they were in twelve, and maybe it.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Does make sense. I mean, they won ten games.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
As long as you can protect him and don't make
him throw the ball. And I said, Russell Wilson threw
the ball like twenty two times a game.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
All right, we're gonna break fun with Audio. Then we
pay tribute to Gus at four on ninety three three KJRFM.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
It's now time for Sunday in Dig's Fun with Audio
Jimmy g.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo. Now let's have some fun
with audio.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
All right, we're gonna pay tribute to Gus Williams. Coming
up at four o'clock.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Gus passed away yesterday, I believe in Baltimore at the
age of seventy one years old. He had a stroke.
Dick about five years ago. Has been fighting that for
a long time and finally succumbed yesterday. So we're gonna
pay homage to the Wizard, a guy that has number
retired by both USC and the Sonics, by the way,
number one, number ten. And when they come back and

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those numbers go back up, his number one will be
there at Climate Pledge.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Arena one day. So we'll pay homage to the Wizard.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Coming up next segment and then Cracking Jets pregame four
to thirty, faced off at five from Winnipeg right here
on ninety.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Three three KJRFM.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
All right, a little fun with audio slash. Hey did
you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear
the rod?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
What's that? Dick?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Speaking of Gus Williams passing another passing today, this time
in baseball.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
The voice of the Brewers for fifty four years. Bob Yucker.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
A lot of you may know him more from the
movies and TV commercials. The famous I Must be in
the front row Millerite commercial back in the day, multiple
appearances on television all over the movies as well. A
lot of us will never forget Bob Yucker though, for
playing the role of Harry Doyle, the voice of the
Cleveland Indians, and the movie Major League. Here's a little

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sampling of his best work with maybe one of the
best baseball movies of all time.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
Tab of the Knights leading ten to seven, bases loaded,
too down, and Rick Vaughan has come on to try
and man it down against aguar dangerous right headed batter.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Here's the pitch.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
On into the line up in his first gofering, Josh
to bit outside. He tried the corner in this all four,
all eight, loan On has walked the bases loaded on
twelve straight pitches. Boy, how can these guys layoffs pitches
that close?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Harry Doyle here welcoming all you.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Friends of the Feather to another season of Indians baseball.
A lot of new faces in chief Wahoo's tribed this
year as they take on the defending American League champs
to New York Yankees, and hopefully we'll have some of
the names that go with those faces before their first
at back.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Just a reminder fans about die Hard Night.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
Coming up here at the stadium. Free admission to anyone
who was actually alive the last time the Indians won
a pennant.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I tell you what, man, how about somebody? And maybe
spring training is the time to do it. Maybe they
do it for the Brewers, maybe they do it for
the Guardians. Sebenty pays on to Harry Doyle and to
Bob Uker and there's a long bomb and somebody says, well.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
He'll need a rocket up his ass to catch that one.
I would love to see.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Every play by play announcer in baseball cut together and
try to drop in some Bob Yucker lines in spring training.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Absolutely, I'm doing during their regular season. I think the
Brewers should do it.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Man, He's gonna be missed for sure. One of the
all time great characters. And I'm bummed that I never met him,
never had him on the show, I never met him.
I don't know how much talk radio he did. You know,
as far as guests and all that stuff. But one
of the all time classic voices and faces and names
and baseball, Bob Uker, passed away this morning, I believe,
at the age of ninety years old.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
All Right, hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that? Dick?

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Sam Darnold's poor performance for the Vikings on Sunday, including
being sacked nine times by the Rams, had Paul Allen
and Pete Burstich losing their minds on KFN radio over
the weekend.

Speaker 12 (32:56):
Addison in motion to the right, two receivers left, Ram
Blint Darling.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Gets away from it, keeps up in the pocket. He's
holding it too long.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Un just run a twenty five yard line. He's sack
for a fifth time.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
All he's got to do is pull that thing down
and run and get as much positive yardage as he can.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
There were five to seven yards easy.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I actually said Sunday by the game was on Monday.
I apologize for that, but.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, he was, Oh come on, man, oh my god,
he was pretty fired up. Dude.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It was very Seahawks ass because, yes, the offensive line
was bad, but Paul Allen, that throw it, man, I
don't know how many times I yelled either at my
television at Geno Smith or at the game at Geno
Smith to throw it.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Man, Yeah, maybe you should have yelled louder then maybe
he were all right, Hey, Dick, did you happen to
hear that?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Dave? What's that? Dick?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
How badly does Rex Ryan want to be coaching the
Jets next year? Well, Sunday on ESPN, while discussing the
atriot hiring if Mike Vrabel, here's what Rex Ryan had
to say.

Speaker 9 (34:03):
He's forty nine years old, will be fifty when next
season begins.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Rex, what's your reaction?

Speaker 7 (34:08):
Hey, man, I mean, hopefully I get to kick this
guy's ass twice a year.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
Maybe your team, my team, yes, but not me personally.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So I tweeted this out in the air day. I'm
curious if you guys agree. I think it sounds pathetic
what Rex Ryan's doing on TV.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
What do you think? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:31):
I think it's it's bad for.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Him, man.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I mean, if he's either he's not going to improve
his chances at all. In fact, they can only go
down by him stumping for himself on.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
National TV to be the Giants head coach or the
Jets head coach.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Rather, I just don't know when a guy publicly campaigned
for a job and actually got it right right, I mean, Jackson,
can you remember a guy not like going that far
and hire me?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Hire me?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
It's actually getting a gig.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Really awkward and uncomfortable and sad that he's just so desperate.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
It's like, Rex, just go home and look at your
feet pictures.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's right, And he did good things for the Jets.
He went to back to back conference title games, and
mark Sanchez for crying out.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Loud and then kind of flamed out.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
But I'm with you, guys, I just think it sounds pathetic.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
He's on TV and just begging for the job, or
le's get one more? Ay, Dick? Did you happen here?

Speaker 12 (35:22):
Last?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
What's that? Dick?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh confirmed that he listens to
Barstool's Pardon Might Take podcast and used it to defend
Justin Herbert at a press conference yesterday.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I agree with Big.

Speaker 13 (35:35):
Cat, you know, from when he said if you're if
you're the way he said it, I'm probably paraphrasing this.
My Big Cats said, if you're selling Justin Herbert stock,
and he's buying completely concur with that statement.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I love it when coaches admit that they listened to
sportstock radio. You know, he used to listen to a
lot of sports talk radio when he was coaching.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
By the way, Mike Houlbrid.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Mike Congran listened to your show Morning show all the time.
He would know everything happening. And I remember, by the way,
I don't know if I've ever told Mike this or not.
I think I have, but I remember when Mike got hired.
It was either ninety nine or two thousand, and they
had a game against Kansas City and Mike said, I

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heard somebody on the radio say that if the Seahawks
lose to Kansas City, Mike Hongrin should be shot.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
You know who that guy? You know who the guy
was that said that? Who me?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Was it?

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
And I don't know if I've ever told him that before.
I mean, it was twenty five years ago or whatever
it was. You know, I was like, what how old
was I Who's twenty six years old? But I don't
think I've ever told him that. And I'm gonna you
know why I haven't told him because I'm.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Scared of here of him. Of course, I'm afraid to
walk away.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
You know, Justin Herbert, he takes a lot of shots.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, well he's stunned by the way terrible.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
He was terrible in that game. But he had a
good season.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
Man.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
He had twenty three touchdowns, three picks.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Doesn't throw picks at all, correct, one hundred and.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Two passer rating sixty five QBR.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
I mean, you would sign up for those numbers every
single year, and yet people.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Are like, ah, Justin Herbert's a disappointed.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, he's also making a gajillion dollars a year. He
makes a lot of money. I mean, that's the thing
is that he's he's not played well when it really
matters come playoff time. Man, So I think he'll be
fine with Harbaugh. This was just the this was just
a tip of the iceberg this year with the Chargers.
All Right, we're gonna break, We're gonna come back and
pay homage to the Wizard next ninety three to three.
kJ ARFM and Gus Williams died yesterday.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Guys. He was seventy one years old.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Former Sonic two time All Star Finals MVP in nineteen
seventy nine, overs twenty eight points a game during that series,
as his number one retired by the Sonics and his
number ten retired by USC. And speaking of Gus Williams,
we had many chances to talk to Gus on this
raid show, got to know him a little bit after
his career was over. I mean, the sweetheart of a guy, awesome,

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awesome dude, and just heartbroken that he passed away so early.
He had a stroke about five years ago and he
was being taken care of it a care facility in
Baltimore and died yesterday. Well, we had a chance, all
of us to catch up five years ago. They were
honoring the seventy nine Sonics team the fortieth anniversary. This
is the Sports Star Bank with twenty nineteen. When we

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get a chance to catch up with the wizard himself,
Gus Williams. This is the Pride by the Way of
Mountain Vernon, New York from USC. Throw those headphones on there, Gus,
Gus Williams with us right here on the radio show.
Do you still kind of get maybe a little freaked
out standing next to Lenny Wilkins, there's an old boss
in the NBA.

Speaker 14 (38:44):
No, I don't get freaked out, but I'll tell you what.
When I first got him in seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
YEP.

Speaker 14 (38:51):
One of the things that really impressed me about Lenny.
We had a practice and Fred Brown had a hang nail,
so he couldn't practice, you, So Lenny stepped in. Lenny
stepped in, and he went up and down the court,
and I was infested with that, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
And friend's on the side. It's okay. But he was
like twenty seven back when he coached the team, when he.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Was no you think he was always, wasn't he about
four years away from being a player coach in.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
The NBA back in the day. That's still good? Yeah,
oh absolutely.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
What's what's the Wizard been up to? Tell us?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Well?

Speaker 14 (39:23):
Actually, you know, I'm born and raised in New York,
and I just decided that that cold weather and the
rat race was enough for me. And four years ago
I moved down to South Carolina and Myrtle Beach.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Oh that's not bad. Good golf down there. Golf, Well,
the golf is there, but not good golf. I got
by me.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
But what do you make of the NBA today when
you got all these players teaming up to play together?

Speaker 14 (39:48):
Well, I think you know, you give enough time for anything,
especially when it includes money.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
You know, things will change.

Speaker 14 (39:54):
But but for me, I am very honored and happy
that I played when I did. I enjoyed the game.
The game was played differently. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed
the people that we played against was very competitive, right,
and the way he played.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I wouldn't I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Speaker 14 (40:09):
I mean the two things that would like, of course,
their salary and I would like to have a plane.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
You own plane for one year. You were born about
forty years too early. No, this is my time. I'm sorry.
I guys, can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Can you imagine the Wizard and his and his moves
with the three point line and the defense pulled out
in all sorts of driving lanes there?

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Come on, now, what would that look like?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
That would be illegal.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
For as fresh as this guy is right now. Imagine
him making twenty five million bucks a year.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
You would look good making twenty five million bucks a year.
Power that's the max? Is that the max contract?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And you probably got it too, hey, Gus, before you go,
People often ask me why didn't that team win another championship?
And we have that conversation about the Seahawks in twenty
thirteen and we know why because of the play at
the one yard line against the Patriots the next year.
But when you look back on those years, do you
feel like maybe it was a little bit unfulfilled or
are you content with what you guys did?

Speaker 14 (41:03):
No, I was feel unfulfilled the other way. Yeah, I
thought we should have won the seventy eight right, you know,
first year, first year, and then back to back.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I've been happy as the lark.

Speaker 14 (41:15):
But that was my worst summer after we lost that
game in seventh, the seventh game here in Seattle, where
we you know, normally don't lose. That summer was bad.
That was heavy on my weight, on my mind the
whole summer. But we came back and revenged that. That's great.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
So I know that you play golf because I've played
golf with you, and he's he's pretty good. By the way,
don't let this guy talk any different. He's got a
good stick in his back. He's very good.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I won't I won't embarrass myself.

Speaker 14 (41:38):
You still play hoopu all a? No, No, I don't
run it off. No, I'll tell you why. I'm sixty five.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
No, you're not sixty four. I don't believe that for
a second.

Speaker 14 (41:47):
Five years ago when I turned sixty, I'm still playing
against guys twenties and thirties. Yeah, and they coming at
me extra hard. So I'm saying, listen, guys, I'm here
just for a sweat. Let's go have a good how
good workout, and then then afterward, let's go to Buffalo
Wild Wing and get some pizza there.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Yeah, put those calories back.

Speaker 14 (42:05):
In exactly in my mind, I'm thinking I'm gonna get
hurt real bad out here, all right, because I played
eleven years and the worst injury out hand was spraying
ankle wowkle wow. So that was in my mind. I said,
if that's what I'm thinking, I'm gonna go out there
and hurt myself. So I just quit, and golf have
been very very good to me.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And you know why those kids come at your heart
because you're Gus Dann Williams.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
That's why they come at you. They should have came
at me thirty forty years. I got you.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Listen, dude, you sound the exact same, you look the
exact same because you shaved the head back to the
day too, so nothing's really changing.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
You want an age like the Wizard.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
You could haven't had a white hair, and nobody has
a damn clue.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Nobody knows, Gus. It's great to see your mancue Gus
Williams the Wizard with us on the radio show. By
the way, just quick correction, it was Dennis Johnson. Dick
corrected me off for the year one of the m
VP in the finals, not gust that year, but it
did every twenty nine points, it's a game during that final.
This is the second day in a row we've had
two guys on the show that I remember talking to

(43:06):
Gus and he looked exactly the same as he did
when he played abdel Gaddy yesterday and then Gus Williams,
who unfortunately passed away at the age of seventy one yesterday.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Oh just you know, you think back of the timing
of that interview. Less than a year after we interviewed him,
he had a stroke, right, I mean, so you just
think at how quickly life changes. Because he looked fantastic.
I mean, he looked like he could play. When he
sat down with us, he looked like I mean, it
was amazing how how good he looked. And yet you

(43:36):
know a year later he has a stroke, and here
he's gone six years later.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
No doubt well, one of the greatest moments in Seattle
sports history. And we thought this would be a fun
listen for people, because really, let's face it, you've got
to be probably, what do you think early the mid
fifties minimum to remember that team, to remember going through
that team and being a part of that team. You're
in fifties, you're in your mid forties, late thirties. Forget afrigat,

(44:00):
forget it. I mean that's ancient.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
He's gotta be fifty minimum, exactly exactly, and.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Then have like a really big brain at the age
of four years old, like you apparently did, by the way,
to retain information.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
You're like Jim Harborough. You remember being born. Okay, I
don't remember being born. I do remember winning the championship,
but I remember Gus playing a lot. I mean I
went to a game when Gus played.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Well, we thought it'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
A lot of us have heard the Bob Blackburn call
of the seventy nine finals. How about Brent Musburger was
on the call for TV. He must have been at
his late twenties early thirties when he was doing the
Finals two one television.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Final minute, right Jackson of the game five win in Washington,
in landover Maryland. As a matter of fact, over the
Washington Bullets when Gus Williams and company won the NBA Championship.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Inside it, here's gush.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
We gotta help everybody now they know they're gonna go
to these cards.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Guys hit a big shot him.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I'm gonna go there, gotta help. Becker Staff is out
on the poll.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
What do you dishes the side? It's Finnish Judson.

Speaker 10 (45:02):
That is it's a four point lead.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Just what I was talking about.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Those two guards.

Speaker 12 (45:07):
So the mean you've got for stopping at situation.

Speaker 10 (45:09):
Nine thirty nine seconds and the bowl hold as they
came back down.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
Gus Williams assessed the personal We're in the penalty both ways.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
So Larry Reich with big pre throws.

Speaker 12 (45:21):
One plus the penalty rustle Lenny, welcome rush Field first
thirty eight seconds on the clock. They're coming over to
take a look. Take O'Donnell. The coaches are both there
and let me know the.

Speaker 10 (45:36):
Reason why was that the big scoreboard did not reflect
ninety five. It stayed at ninety three on Dennis Johnson's basket.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Lenny Wilkins saw it when they came down.

Speaker 10 (45:47):
That's why the game was stopped. They went over to
the scorer's table and it is ninety five ninety one
on the big board with thirty eight seconds in our
fienty five fifty two.

Speaker 12 (45:56):
Here's the man who hit the big pre throws in
game one, winted for the bullets. Haff of the game
was over Larry Ray when he hits the front end.

Speaker 10 (46:03):
Thirty eight seconds, so the Sonics cannot run out the clock.
If Light hits this one, they'll be big leaning.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
By the big men.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
If he missions, it's a two part game.

Speaker 10 (46:11):
Thirty eight seconds down ninety five ninety three. Williams and
Dennis Johnson exchange signals.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Here comes gush down, filling out.

Speaker 10 (46:19):
He comes across the timeline, go down the side of
thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Can you believe all this series has wound up?

Speaker 10 (46:25):
Dennis Johnson bombs it up and now a sickmack sickl
turns on whats Russ?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Is there?

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Double team?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Set it back to settle on the shot puck.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Sure un so loose, John Johnson. They can running out
to these seconds.

Speaker 10 (46:39):
Those these seconds are named boll Gus Williams.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
It was up for grabs right there, Hunt's old.

Speaker 12 (46:45):
Missus Judson, and the ball went right back through the
Seattle SuperSonics and smartly made a foul mono on the bench. Boy,
want to play here it is there's the rebound fumbling
away where sported right over.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
The head of Alvit Hayes.

Speaker 12 (46:56):
Now picked up Johnny Johnson and out the cuss right
craving got stick them.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
On us three, startling them by two. And now it's
three and twelve seconds, So now you can feel it.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
That's the big one.

Speaker 12 (47:10):
All I got to do now in defenses, put their
hands in their pockets, give them a basket, but just
drop it back down in the middle. Defensively, make them
chewed outside.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
I do not commit a pound.

Speaker 10 (47:20):
That's a four point raiding twelve seconds, and the bullets
will quickly.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Huddle up around deck mode.

Speaker 10 (47:25):
Now they'll get down and borrowed quickly and try to
pressure the inbounds past. Meanwhile, the Sonics congratulating themselves over
there in the corner. And I imagine folks all throughout
the state of Washington and in Seattle down to the
Great Gauf West now.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Are reaching for the champagne. How God, good question about that, Brant.

Speaker 12 (47:41):
They have richly deserved it when you could come away
from home and win, and they've done it. A great
basketball plibate tech never weaken the bullets. They're depending world champions.
But I have not checked well throughout this series and
that's been their downfall. Now to take a look at
their strategy, as you mentioned, they want to get a
quick basket. Obviously for me, they could get a down load.
Perhaps the Hayes, he could get a field goal and

(48:04):
then pressure defense.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
They cannot pick him up the court.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
They got to get him out over the court and.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Gave le for Steel.

Speaker 10 (48:11):
And of course we will be inside that sonic Glacker
room if they capture this championship, and there's nothing quite
like the first one. And if Seattle can do it,
they will become only the second team in the last
twenty years to win the title after losing in the
final round the previous year. Since nineteen sixty only the

(48:34):
nineteen seventy three New York Knicks.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
We're able to rebound from a final round.

Speaker 10 (48:38):
Loss to win the championship in the following season.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Twelve seconds all.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
Now, that separates Seattle from its goal. Dus Williams and
John Johnson's smiling as they come out of that hunting
the cloud nineteen thousands, still here in the Capital.

Speaker 12 (48:56):
Center, still urging the bullets on I could have. Let's
still tick it out. You'll probably try to lap it
down low. I not, and the guards will scissor off
caineering right and probably get a jump shot out front.
But the important than port seattlests do.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Not commit a pound here.

Speaker 12 (49:10):
It's nicely on the active shooting.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
You got the leads, you got the term twelve seconds.
Here we go.

Speaker 10 (49:16):
Uncelt and bound start the countdown, ballard off.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
With the shot.

Speaker 10 (49:22):
Sonics control from the corner.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I don't have to come in.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Five four three two one.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
Let the celebration begin in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
It is over.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
The Seattle SuperSonics have won the NBA World Championship Series
in five games.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
It's funny here in Brent Musborth he said it was
hot Rod huntly right doing the color. The Sonics were
the first ones to do it since the Knicks since
seventy three, which didn't.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Realize that well.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
But here's the funny thing. At that six years at
only six years ago, did.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
They say the only one or the first one.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I think it it was the first one since the Knicks,
and he may have said since nineteen sixty.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But the Sixers did it in eighty two, they lost
and won up the next year, and the Pistons lost.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
In eighty eight and won in eighty nine. So it
has happened a lot since.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Celtics and Lakers never lost one and then won one.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I don't believe so, not according to Wikipedia dot com,
but man Gus Williams passes away and for old farts
like me and Dick. By the way, Jackson, you're not
quite there yet. You know what's really funny, Jackson, I'd
like to know you were born what you remind me
two ninety two? Okay, this was thirteen years before you
were born, So this would have been basically like you
and me, Dick talking about Roger Merris breaking bad Roots

(50:39):
Sexory one in nineteen sixty one. No memory of that.
All we know about is what we're reading books. Is
this like just like foreign to you hearing about this team?

Speaker 6 (50:47):
I mean I wouldn't say foreign because, like listen, I
mean I was raised hearing stories about this team, right,
So like you show YouTube clips right when he hits YouTube. Oh,
you gotta go watch the game. You gotta go watch
this team. You gotta see what Gus Williams was all about. So,
I mean, like, as a sports fan, I I really
did try to know my.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
History in this city. And that's good.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
I thank my parents for teaching me.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, Gus Savage twenty nine points a game in that series.
And you know what the cool thing is is that
they lost it the year before in Seattle. They won
it in Washington the next season. We still have not
since then had a major sports championship won and clinched
on Seattle soil, Right, Sonics, no Mariners, no Seahawks. Obviously

(51:33):
it's impossible. Kraken just started. Obviously you want to cut
the Metropolitan's honor six Right, I'm talking major guys. I'm
talking Big four, right. I mean, no disrespect to Storm
and Sunders, but I'm talking Big four. But you're right,
the Storm and Sunders have done it. But it's time, right,
it's time to have a dramatic moment like that in
this city.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Let's do it. Who's with me?

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I mean, you're at that point, quarterback, give me a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Well, no, they're not even on home sale though.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I'm talking about I'm talking about the Kraken, the Mariners,
give mena.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Give me a four hitter and a five hitter to
go behind, Yeah, Julio and yeah, and then then you
might be able to convince me that we got a
legitimate world series.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I mean, what are the biggest wins in Seattle sports
history that took place here in Seattle? Game five would
be up there, the two, the NFC champions three, NFC
Championships would be up there. Obviously, Sons beating Utah right
in Game seven would be on that list. And did
they beat the Suns in the conference finals in seventy
eight eight to go to the NBA Finals?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
That was that here?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
I don't know, I think it was that year. I
don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
There is the line like I barely remember seventy nine.
I don't remember seventy eight at all.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Well, it just I mean, I know it's kind of
a nouia, but we also haven't had a real dramatic
victory in the Big Four, you know, since then. I mean,
the only one you got is the Seahawks, and they
beat the crap out of the Broncos man. I mean,
I just I don't know. I missed that stuff so much.
I miss when this town in the middle of the
summer and the kids run a school. You know, I'm

(53:01):
not sure if they're in school in early June anymore.
You tell me you got kids I have known idea. Okay,
they're in school, they're in school, okay, But when it's
nice outside and you can go party all night long
and the fans are leaving the arena, like please God,
I miss that man. Hopefully it's coming back very soon,
and hopefully Gus Williams. I think that entire team should
get an area in the arena just for them to

(53:23):
honor that basketball team and then put Gus Williams number
one back up when the team comes back.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
All Right, we're gonna break.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
We got cracking hockey boys and girls Winnipeg, one of
the best teams in the NHL, cracking on the road
in Canada, taking on the Winnipeg Jets. Pregame coming up
at four point thirty, face off at five o'clock. We'll
see you at three o'clock tomorrow. By the way, Humullan
joins at five, We'll see you then. Cracking jets Next
on ninety three three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Bye.