November 11, 2025 • 46 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Jon Wilner about the latest Big Ten equity deal, UCLA move, UW loss in Wisconsin, and more college football, then discuss Sam Darnold’s doubters, Huskies vs. Purdue, and hear from Demond Williams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Johnny, how are you man? Hey guys, Oh, we're so close,
so close.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It doesn't happen for twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Jo on your phone sounds like remember those old Jiffy
pops you put on the oven back in the day,
And then that's what your phone will so your phone
sounds like right now, can.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
You talry about that? I can hear you guys perfectly, Okay, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It could be an US problem. It could be an
US problem on our end. Well, John's with us. John,
We're doing good. Thanks for asking. By the way, So
before we dive into everything happening on the field, man,
there's a lot happening off the field and this Big
Ten equity saga, what's the latest? And it seems like
there's going to be some problems with this with a
few of the member institutions of the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
What's the latest there?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well, the latest go through with this deal even if
USC and Michigan are not on board, and that would
create an unprecedented situation in which sixteen schools would be
playing by one set of rules and two would be
playing by another. And part of the deal forgetting this
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money is that you have to extend the grant of
rights till twenty forty six. Sixteen teams schools would be
to the Big Ten until twenty forty six.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Michigan and USC would.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Only be members until twenty thirty six and then they
would be free agents. And the thing is if USC
and Michigan are free agents. They're gonna have plenty of
offers in twenty thirty six, right, I mean, if the
Big Ten things that they are, they're going to try
to back these two schools into a corner, I think
they're mistaken because they're gonna have.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Tons of options.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
John, John, let me just backtrack for a second. Sorry,
And I should have done this from the start. Can
we just explain this to people that don't know what's
going on? Reset, give us like thirty forty five seconds
on what exactly this story is all about, and dumb
it down for people like me?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Please?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Sure? So the Big Ten is looking into a private
capital infusion of two point four billion dollars, so that
money would be dispersed to the schools on an uneven
basis up front based on tiers. Washington be on the
third tier of revenue. Washington would get one hundred and
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ten million, Oregon and USC would get one hundred and
fifty million, Penn State, Ohio, State Michigan get one hundred
and ninety million. The deal would also require the schools
to sign a twenty year grand of rights, basically locking
them together for twenty years, so it would end in
ey chance of a super league. The deal also creates
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some they call Big Ten Enterprises, which would become a
for profit commercial arm of the conference to help generate,
you know, as much revenue as possible. Those are kind
of the main three aspects of it. But the biggest
deal is they would bind the schools for twenty years
together in the Big Ten, a lot of them, you know, Minnesota, Purdue.
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They're looking for security. They don't want to have State
in Michigan going off and forming a super league, so
that's why they're in favor of this. But if Michigan,
Ohio and USC don't sign on to it and they
go through with it anyhow, two of the biggest brands
in the conference would be free agents halfway through the
twenty year deal.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
So what's better for the conference as far as parody goes.
Do we want to see a more NFL type thing
where there's not a lot of difference between the third
fourth best team and the Big Ten and the fourteenth
fifteenth best team in the Big Ten?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Or is what's better for the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
To have two or three superpowers in the conference every
year and a lot of teams that stink?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I mean, that's kind of what they got this year, right,
and that's what it is every year. I mean, Michigan
and Ohio State and Penn State, to you know, over
the course of time, are the three dominant programs. The
thing is, I think this deal would actually create more
of a top heavy league because not only would Ohio State, Michigan,
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and Penn State get more upfront cash, They're also going
to create a unequal revenue model for the annual payouts
and those schools would be on top of that as well. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
John Wilner's with us on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
The other big story happening off the field is what's
going on with UCLA and the Rolls Bowl. So, I mean,
I guess just explain this again to me like I'm
a more on which I am, so it's going to
be easy. So basically, you dub is playing at the
Rolls Bowl next Saturday versus UCLA. Are you telling me
this is the potential final time that you doub will
ever play a regular season game at the Rose Bowl
next Saturday?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I think that is possible.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Yes, UCLA is moving forward as best as it can
to try to deal with Sofi Stadium to move the
home games to so Fi.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I happen to believe a.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Lot of this is still leverage now that they want
to get a better term for their lease on the
Rose Bowl and they're using going to Sofi Stadium as
the leverage. The Rose Bowl has sued UCLA to stop
the move, and we'll see. I think it's a very
interesting deal. I think it is completely misguided on the
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Bruins side to think that a lot more people are
going to go to Sofi Stadium then we go to
the Rose Bowl. That's preposterous. Part of the appeal is
all the luxury suites at Sofi Stadium, But then again,
how many UCLA fans are going to get those.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Take those luxury seats.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
I think it would be a terrible deal for UCLA,
And it's so obviously a terrible deal that I think
it's a negotiating ploy.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
John disaster struck at Camp Randall for the Huskies against Wisconsin.
I mean, it was unbelievable, the worst loss since the
Montana game. Why were the Huskies not able to get
over the top when they have before? Every single year
the Huskies face a team and almost lose. We saw
it at Arizona State the year they went to the
college football playoffs. Why weren't they able to get over
the top this time?
Speaker 5 (06:56):
That was atrocious.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
I thought that the biggest problem is their offense, and
it's not just It wasn't just the Wisconsin game.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
That's just the latest example.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
I went back and looked Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin the
second halves of those three games. Washington has scored three
points three points in six quarters, so that is and
they haven't played well on the road in general under
jedfish Right, They've got what one win at Maryland, right,
come back, come back win, and Maryland.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Clearly is not any good.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Their only win of the season is over Wisconsin in
Big Ten play. So a lot of it is they
are not very good on offense when they're on the
road and they're facing a decent defense. They got to
figure that out because you know, I know there were
some injuries, but to me, those injuries do not account
for the fact that you lose to Wisconsin, which is awful.
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No offense, I mean it was that was really bad.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
That was shockingly bad. From the Austin.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yes, John, I'm sorry to do this to you, but
I want to go back to the UCLA story. I
appolgejys I should have followed up on that from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But there's two things. I want to just go back
to that for a quick second.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You said it's a negotiating ploy by UCLA either A
what to get a better deal from the Rose Bull
And do you think it's possible, Okay, do you think
it's possible that UCLA, even if they do move to Sofi,
would do that short term and the long term plan
is eventually to build a smaller stadium on campus or
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do you see them actually moving to Sofi and stay
in there forever.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I do not believe on campus stadium is viable. You know,
if you know UCLA's campus, it's there's not a lot
of room they would make the in theory, what they
do is they take Drake Stadium, which is the track
and field on the northwest corner borders Wilshire and turn
that into a on campus stadium of like forty thousand.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Here's the problem. All those rich folks.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
In bel Air across Wilshire Boulevard would go Nanas that
is an incredibly powerful neighborhood association with immense amount of resources,
and in my opinion, there is no way they will
let you cla do that on campus team. I think
if they move to Sofi, then they moved to Sofi
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and that's it for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
God, that's amazing, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, John Wilner is with us, and John's go back
to the Huskies again. So you know, Dick mentioned it
disaster striking in Madison over the weekend. You gave us
your thoughts on the home road problems. They've got it.
It was pathetic in a lot of ways by U
dub on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But where does that leave Jedfish?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Because that seems to be the big conversation right now
amongst Husky fans, like where does he go? Where does
udub go from him? And he very well may want
to move on and go somewhere, but losing to Wisconsin
doesn't help him to do that. So I guess my
question is how much do you believe Jedfish wants to
exit Washington. There's been a lot of report from people
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saying they believe that. And then number two, if he
does want to exit, can he exit?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Well?
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I have never thought he was a lot long termer
in Seattle in the first place.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I mean to me, it was he viewed.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
It as a stepping stone job to get somewhere else
NFL Florida his alma mater, or a premier what he've
uses a better gig in the big ten or sec.
I thought he was a short timer all along, which
was part of the risk in hiring him in the
first place. So to me, I mean, he's got his
eyes out, there's no question he's looking around.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
This doesn't help his market value, but I also don't
think it really hurts. I mean, you know, if UCLA
really wants him, then losing the Wisconsin is not Washington.
Losing Wisconsin's not going to prevent the Bruins from going
after him, for instance. What it does is it hurts
him in the market for jobs that he doesn't have
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any kind of personal ties to, whether it's Florida or UCLA.
But you know, Washington's need to expect this was going
to happen the moment they hired him, which again was
part of the risk in hiring him. And then they
have his buyoss not very big, so almost any school
is going to be able to afford him if they
want him.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
So what do you make of his comments? A softy
asked him this week. Other people have asked him this week.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He says he loves his job here.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
I mean, do you believe anything that come out of
coaches mouths when they answer those type of questions, or
is Jedfish in a little bit of a different bucket
than some other coaches because he has traveled so many.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Places in such a short time.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I believe very few of them.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
There are a few instances where I do believe them,
like Kenny Dillingham at ASU. He grew up in Phoenix,
he went to ASU, he lives next door to his sister.
He just signed a contract that is based on longevity
and security. I believe Kenny Dillyham is standing at issue
for a long time, but there's very few cases like that.
I don't believe Jetfish anything he says, why would you?
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But I also don't believe most of them.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I mean, Fish said that same kind of.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Stuff when when he was at Arizona and I saw
his comment was that yesterday about the lists, like those
people who make the list don't know anything. You know
who makes those lists, the agents, they're who make the list.
And his agent is leaking his name to reporters to
drum up interest so I kind of laughed when he
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said the lists are are, you know, basically irrelevant because
they're coming from agents.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, what do you think happens?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Honestly, if you had to put any significant amount of
money on this thing, for what Jetfish does when the
year is over, And obviously it depends in a lot
of ways on how this year goes for Washington. Right,
if thinking rally and finish with ten wins and beat
Oregon and you win a ballgame, his resume looks a
lot stronger.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So what does your gut tell you Jed Fish is
doing next year?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Well, my gut tells me that they're going to lose
to the Ducks and that they may also lose to UCLA.
I mean, I don't know why you trust them on
the road. They can't win on the road, So I
think they go there's a real chance they could lose
to UCLA. I think the only viable place. I really
don't think Florida is an option. Was what my bet
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tells me. And so it's pretty much Ucla or staying
in Seattle. If I were betting, I would probably bet
he's back in Seattle for next season.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
If they were to lose those two games and even
win a bowl game and finish eight and five. I mean,
is that a step in the right direction just because
it's two wins more than last year, or is that
a massive disappointment?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I would say, I mean for Husky fans, I would
think would be viewed as a big disappointment given where
they were.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
If you had told me before.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
The season, they're going to go seven and five and
then win a bowl game, I'd have thought, Yeah, I
could see that. That might have been slightly on the
low end of what I I would have expected, but
it was certainly a reasonable range. But if you're a
Washington fan and you watched them play so well in
so many games early and that they're six and two
and they're thinking about maybe sneaking into the playoff, and
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then they finish eight and five, it'd be a pretty
big disappointment.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I would think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I mean, I guess in that context, I could see it.
Do we allow ourselves to look at it? John, And
I guess, I don't know. Maybe this is just you know,
one perspective, right, I'm looking at it through one lens
and you're looking at it through a different lens, and
that is the lens of what he took over a
year and a half ago when the roster got blown
to bits. Was it really realistic in February of twenty
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twenty four that in year two he was going to
make the College Football Playoff? And if I would have
told you in February of twenty four that in year
two he's going to be nine and three and their
second year in the Big Ten after the roster got
blown to Kingdom, come, would you have looked at that
at that point as real progress.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah? I thought all.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Along if if that would be real progres and if
I were a Washington fan and they finished date in five,
I think, you know what that's I'm a little disappointed,
but I can see the trajectory here, and I'm encouraged
about what I've seen, and I'm ready for next year.
And then next year they need to be winning nine
or ten games. But I don't really like, as an
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objective observer, I don't really see that there's a big
problem with where things are going.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Even if they do lose two more, I think on the.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Against the broad canvas of what you could have reasonably expected,
they're doing fine.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
John Softy has long asked for a sarcasm font on Twitter.
We have not gotten one yet, So I want to
know if this tweet by John Wilner last night deserves
the sarcasm font or if it's authentic, said, the AP
Top twenty five is so meaningless that this platform has
been bombarded all season with complaints about the Bowl. Yep,
it's totally irrelevant. Nobody cares. Why does the AP even bother?
(15:56):
Do we need a sarcasm font on that? Or is
that authentic?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
You need sarcasm in the biggest, boldest funt you could find.
That's I'm getting a kick out of it because there's
been so many complaints about the AP poll on Twitter
all season about how it's meaningless. Well, then why is
everybody talking about it every week and complaining about it?
Obviously it's not meaningless, and I can assure.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
You that there's no chance.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
The AP is going to get rid of the poll
and it sees how much reaction it's getting.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, first of all, I can answer all those questions
for you if you'd like.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I mean, I know what you're in.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I have responses every single one. First of all, the
reason why people talk about the AP pole the way
they do is because up until last week, it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Was the only poll.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
All Right, nobody looks at the coaches poll because the
coaches poll is sid's voting, and coaches have no idea
what the hell they're doing. So up until last week,
until last Tuesday, it was the only poll we had.
It's less relevant now for conversation because the CFP is
now officially out for the second consecutive week. Came out,
as Dick said about a half an hour ago. However,
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I think the reason why people threw a fit about
this week's eight peo pole is because the Oregon Ducks
went to Iowa beat Iowa Ole miss host of Citadel,
and these two teams fliped.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Spots in the AP. How does that happen? And how
do you sleep at.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Night working for an organization like that?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
That's That's one I can't explain.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I moved to Oregon out for sure, I.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Cannot explain a lot of the stuff that happens in
the a people I can't explain. And there's certainly I
get plenty of criticism for some of my votes, Like
right now, I'm getting criticized for where I have textas
relative to Vanderbilt and Oklahoma and you know what, that's
I have my own way of doing it, and I
have to think that losing the Florida is a terrible
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loss for Texas.
Speaker 9 (17:53):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
But you know, everybody has their own unique way of
doing it, and there's going to be discrepancies and quirks
in their polls. The one thing that is tough for
me to swallow is when there's ballots that are based
on people not being in voters not being informed of
the results. That bothers me as a voter.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
John Should a team be able to change a player's
number and disguise him as a punter like USC did
with Sam Hewart on Friday?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
What I want to know is why didn't USC save
that for the Oregon game?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That was a good point point.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Why would you use it when you're in a game
you're gonna win. So the bottom line.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
On that is it was a penalty.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
What should have happened is the Trujan should have been
assessed a fifteen yard penalty when their actual punter came
out on the field later in the game, because you
can't have two players that play the same position were
the same number. So Sam Hewart comes out there in
eighty and they do the fake punt, fine, but the
moment the other punter comes out wearing eighty, that's when
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the violation occurs.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So that is technically that's the rule. They're going to
get this.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I'm a little surprised there wasn't like a mid week change,
you know how. Sometimes they'll do a midwek change and
then caa rules because of a loophole, like they did
last year. I think with Oregon and Ohio State and
the eleven or the twelve man on the field, they'll
get that cleared up, I think over the off season.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But it was a violation by USA presee, cheating Trojan
bastards is what they are, and they got Well, yes.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
You could say that, but I'm going to get back
to our first topic. UFC is trying to save the
Big ten from a gigantic mistake, and if they succeed
at Washington, Pens should be thanking the Trojans right because
Washington is one of those schools that I just I'm
having a hard time wrapping my arms around what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Interesting. All right, well we'll dig more into that and
get back to you next week. All right, you're on fire,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Again, Iowa plus the points against the Ducks seven and
four on the air, three and one your last four
Willner's winner. The Windalorean has again the proper path. He
is walking the straight line, and he is on his
way to another winning season.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Let's not veer off. Okay, let's not slip up.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Let's not be convinced to go the wrong way when
the right way has been working so well, John, what
do you got this week for us?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm actually I'm going with the Huskies because they're good
at home, and they're very good at home against bad
teams and produce bad and the last line I saw.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Was sixteen and a half. That's still okay?
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I mean, Illinois is way better
than Perdue.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
You could argue Rutgers.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Is even better than Perdue. And the Huskies stumped the vote.
So to me, this is like thirty eight ten or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I wonder if this is one of those games where
if the Huskies don't win big, we're gonna have a
problem on yeah Monday, right, Yeah, all right, John, great stuff,
enjoy the weekend, and we'll talk next Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Man, thanks a lot, guys, All right, John.
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slash music. All right, what do we got Seahawks on
Sunday against the Rams? I gotta be honest with you,
Jackson and Dick. I'm still kind of floored by that
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stephen A Smith clip that we played in Fun with
Audio earlier on today when Mina Chimes went on ESPN
and was hyping the Seahawks. He's not even tuning in
right now. He's doing something back there. Because I'd like
to get this clip again. By the way, for those
that missed it, the steven A clip number two on
Fun with Audio, can you grab that again?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Thanks? See you told me about this in the commercial break.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I would have been able to have.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, if you were listening to what was happening on
Running Crack and you want to be mad at a
cracking one, right, not mad.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
At anybody, Hey, who's mad? I'm just telling you get
that clip for me, Pale. I still can't believe.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
That people.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean, I'm trying to equate this to something that
we've said on the air, Dick right, like an example
of a narrative that was formed about an athlete or
a coach that was based on one game. Yeah, because
Sam Darnold has this choker narrative that people like Steven A.
Smith have slapped on him after one playoff game. And
(23:28):
when I asked, you, guys during fun with Attio at
three forty five, how many playoff games has he played?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I thought, am I missing something? Maybe it was like
three or four? No, just the one.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And that came last year, not even a year ago.
So this is what Stephen A said to me at
times on ESPN the other day.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
Does anyone here know what Mike McDonald's record is on
the road with this team?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
They didn't.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
They didn't, one, guys. So when we talk about the
road going through the Philadelphia Eagles, you know who's not
scared of doing that? This Seattle Seahawk because they have
been going on the row dominating teams.
Speaker 12 (24:04):
Well, hold on, hold, don Mena comes let's pump the
brakes for just a second. McDonald coach McDonald can feel
that way all he wants to. He ain't coach Sam
Donald in the playoffs. I he ain't coach Sam Donald playoff.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So that's wait, let's wait and see.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's incredible because I don't want to be just a
total homer and defend Sam Donald to a tee and
have what are the Seahawks colors green and silver? Whatever
the hell they are? Green blue, silver colored glasses on? Like,
I want to see some logic in that, right, I
want to see some logic in painting a guy as
a playoff choker, which Stephen A basically just did after
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one playoff game.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What am I missing here?
Speaker 7 (24:53):
It is to be expected that Sam Donald struggled in
that playoff game. He was playing an excellent defense and
a quarterback that had won a.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Super Bowl before. You know who's gonna be the Sam
Donald this year?
Speaker 7 (25:03):
I'm telling you right now, Jackson, you can record this
on November the eleventh, all right, Drake May and the
New England Patriots are probably if you look at their record,
they could go like thirteen and four. They play nobody, nobody,
Right the rest of the year, they are going to
be like Minnesota, and they are going to go to
the playoffs and they will face in the divisional round
like a Kansas City Chiefs or a Baltimore Ravens, and
(25:27):
Drake May will look terrible and everybody will say, oh,
look he choked in the playoffs. No, he's a young
quarterback that hadn't never started in the playoffs, just like
Sam Donald was a twenty six year old quarterback that
had never started in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Again, I'm just I'm looking for an analogy here, and
I'm struggling to.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Find out to find a history by behind one game,
Like if there was a I don't know, Let's say
there's a rookie NBA player Kevin Durant, right, two thousand
and eight, Okay, Sonics make the playoffs and.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He struggles and they lose, and over the offseason, Oh man,
you haven't seen what Durant does in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Man, he must have played a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
No, just the one series, I mean, just right, like
it's it just defies logic. And again, I guess, I
guess maybe people are just kind of waiting for him
to fall apart because they can't believe the turnaround and
they don't believe it's true. And he's not the only one.
By the way, he was on with Jackson Bevans today
(26:27):
on his podcast. He was on with us two weeks ago,
right with you and me, and he said, he's great,
but I want to see what happens come playoff time.
And hey, look, in the end, all quarterbacks are judged
by what they do in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I get that all guys are judged.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
If they play on really good regular season teams, they
will be eventually judged on what they do come playoff time.
And I think that's fair. And Sam Darnold, we may
Dick be talking in two months from now. Who knows
about a guy that can't get it done come playoff time.
The more playoff games he plays and the more playoff
games he struggles in, the more that vrative becomes appropriate.
(27:02):
I just don't think it's appropriate now after four quarters.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
The only I agree with you on that.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
The only guy I can think of that I remember
got hammered pretty good after his first playoff game was
Lamar Jackson. He had an amazing season and remember they
played the Chargers in his first ever playoff game, and
he was bad. He completed forty eight percent of his passes,
he had a passer rating of seventy eight. He had
a QBR of eleven in that game.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And people say.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
That's team Lamar Jackson can win games in the regular season,
but he's not a playoff quarterback. And now, hey, to
their defense, Lamar Jackson doesn't won a lot of games playoff.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It took some time to actually have that narrative bear
out and right, and it's probably fair, but you're trying.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
To But you asked, do I have a cop of
somebody that got killed after one playoff game? I do
remember people saying Lamar Jackson after one game, Yeah, doesn't
have the type of game that fits in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, again, I first of all, the guy wasn't even
really supposed to be there a year ago. What he did,
the only reason why they were there to begin with
was in a lot of ways because of him. Right
the year that Darnald had a year ago, Like, do
they go fourteen to three without Sam Darnaldo, who was
their backup quarterback last year because McCarthy was hurt and
Carson wentz. I don't think was there yet who was
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the number two guy in Minnesota last season?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Looked that up for me if I will.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But that's the point is that they were only there
in a lot of ways because of Sam Darnald and
the year that he had.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So I am totally willing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
To let Donald's career play out, especially in January, Dick
and see what he does come playoff time.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
What I'm not willing to do yet, Nick Mullens.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Nick Mullens, what I'm not willing to do yet after
one playoff game is paint him as a playoff choker.
And I may and we may be painting him as
a playoff choker totally in a year two years from now.
If he keeps making the postseason, the Hawks keep getting
them to the playoffs, and he keeps falling apart come
playoff time, then yeah, at that point, then yes, the
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label is totally fair.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But in no way, shape or form do I believe
it's fair right now.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
N Let's say Sam Donald, we go to the playoffs
and Sam Donald has the exact same game that he
had against San Francisco in the first game of the season.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, you know you're.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Sixteen to twenty three seventy percent, but didn't have a touchdown,
didn't have an interception.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
They lose seventeen to thirteen. Is that a playoff choke?
Or is that Sam.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Donald going up against the good defense and getting held down.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean to me, it's hard to answer those questions, right,
Like we always say, how are you gonna feel in
two months from now?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Ask me in two months. I have no idea. Let's
talk context. What kind of team are they playing? How
good are they defensively?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
All that stuff is what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So like, if they play I'm just looking at the
top defensive teams right now in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Like the Rams this week, right, let's go.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Let's go Rams, Let's go if they play in the Packers,
if they play Philadelphia, a team like that, and he
puts up those kinds of numbers and they have a
hard time running the ball, and guys are having a
hard time getting open. It's a slug fest, a low
scoring game. I think in the end, all he's got
to do is win. To be totally honest with you,
I don't give a damn what they look like in
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the postseason.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Just win.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
If you're talking about your expectations are Hey, if we
play the Rams in the playoffs, or we play the
Packers in the playoffs, or the Eagles in the playoffs,
or even let's say the Lions in the playoffs, see
and the Seahawks win. But Sam Darnold looks like ass.
That he's terrible.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
That's just stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, most quarterbacks look like ass against those teams.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Football is survive in advance in the postseason, just like
it was for the Mariners. Man, nobody cared just win games.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I feel like I feel like there is a short
fuse that a lot of people have out there, including
a lot of in the national media. You just heard
a clip right there, right from Steven Ay that are
waiting for this guy to go to the playoffs, crap
his pants and for them to say, I told you, sir,
it's coming. Trust me, we're gonna break.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Demon.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
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Huskies in Purdue on Saturday? You heard the take from
the Husky Hawks Greg Lewis Mario Bailey says, there is
absolutely nothing the Huskies can do in this game to
make you feel any better about what happens Saturday versus Wisconsin.
I think there's a lot they can't do to make
you feel worse about what happened against Wisconsin. Like, do
(32:05):
you like the fact that they're playing Purdue this weekend
or do you almost wish they were playing somebody else
of significant so maybe you could regain a little bit
of what was lost last I.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Absolutely think that I would rather be playing a usc An, Iowa,
somebody that's got some cachet somebody's got a number.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
By their name because I finished, because I think they would.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Win that game, coming on a game like that at home,
the way they play at home, I think they would
win a game like that.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, I guess my question is this, what is First
of all, we know what's left to play for, and
that is to significantly improve your win loss record versus
last year.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Right, that's it. Right, we're talking.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
About beating Oregon great down the road, great, but winning
nine games, winning ten games I still think would mark
a lot of progress for this football team considering where
they were in February of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But are we looking for an identity?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Are we looking at a bunch of guys that are
coming back next year? This is where I struggle, guys
with this is that in years past, which means like
three years ago, we would look at a team like
this and say, oh man, they really got something clicking
with Roebuck and Vines Bright and Demon Williams and that
threesome there, and this auDA Mohammed or Jordan Washington or
that line's gonna come back next year. We could always
(33:21):
look ahead in college football always, and we could always
say they had a rough year record, wisement man.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
There's some pieces that are guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
To come back and I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Now, you can't do that exactly right, So how do
we approach this?
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I I just can't get out of my mind what
Dixon told me in the car today where he just.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Said it is this something he wants on the air
or was that between the father and son?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Might have been between father and son, but it's his
voice sound like this anymore? I mean it, but it
was very pertinent. Quote.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Well, they really have nothing to play for anymore, right,
And I feel that that Dixon represents ninety percent of
Husky names.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well, let's get some text. I have nothing to play.
How you feel is that if you're not playing for
the CFP, that there's nothing left to play for.
Speaker 13 (34:10):
So when I was a kid, I would play those
NCAA Football EA Sports video games, and I would always
do the franchise mode and playing with the Huskies, And
when I lost either the second or third game of
a given season the franchise mode, I would just simulate
the rest of the year because I knew, well, I'm
not going to be in the BCS National Championship Game
(34:30):
this year.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Is lost.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
I'm just gonna fa I don't care about the other bowls.
I'm just gonna simulate the whole thing and then go
to next year.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Right now, couldn't you couldn't you sim the rest of
the season.
Speaker 13 (34:38):
And probably it's weird because looking back, I'm like, what
an idiotic little kid. But at the same time, I'm
a Husky fan and right now I'm like, cool, We're
going to be in a nonsense bowl game.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't maybe we getting a good one.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
But see, here's the difference though, Like even even at
some of the like take some of the Seahawks seasons
where they were seven and nine under Pete Carroll or
the Mariners where they fell short, we could go back
and say, oh yeah, but look at this court. It's
a good difference the right look at the court. They're
all coming back. We can go to spring training or
go to training camp and say that we know who
(35:15):
the left tackle is, we know who the starting catcher is.
You can't do that in college football. So if you're
not playing for anything now, it's like it's over. Yes,
I mean the rivalry with the Ducks is still there,
and yeah, winning eight or nine games, ten games would
be nice. But if you're not playing for the CFP
and you can't guarantee that everyone's back next season, I
(35:37):
get it, and I get it. I think it's more
of a problem now than ever. You say to yourself
the Perdue game, I'm concerned about the crowd on Saturday. Oh,
I think it's concerned four o'clock kickoff coming off that loss.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Cfp's done.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
I think it's the one thing, the one thing really
on and it's terrible. But the one thing we have
to look forward to is potentially being a spoiler. Let's
have USC heap Oregon. So if they come here and lose,
we have knocked him. That would that would feed my
soul a little bit if we were the.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Team that knocked him out of the CFP in the
last game of the season.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I think that's a good way to put it. Man,
is there anything that can feed your soul as a Husky?
Is there anything that can feed your soul as a
Husky football fan right now? Because I can't guarantee everyone's
coming back. You're not playing for the College Football Playoff,
don't know if the coach is coming back. I don't
know if the coach is going to return.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Even if he does return, there's gonna be some attrition.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
We know that some but probably not very maybe not
much of significance.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But you never know who's gonna come and who's gonna go.
So what is it?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
What is it that's got you fired up the rest
of the way, And trust me, if we can figure
it out, I'll promote the piss out of it. Honestly,
I'll go crazy with it.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
But what is it?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Four nine four or five one? You tell us?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
All right, uh be the tenth callar right now win
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ninety five. We're gonna hear from Demon Williams in a
matter of minutes. I spoke to the assembled media today
about the interception, the fumble, the whole thing, and then
I grabbed him by the back of the neck and
I dragged him down the hallway the tunnel and I said, look, man,
you and I are having a conversation. We are talking,
(37:35):
and so we spoke at a nice little five or
six minute talk. So you'll hear my take and my
talk with DeMont Williams coming up in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I do have something to announce here on the radio show.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
You're pregnant. Congratulats I am.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I'm having a baby. That's why I'm so fat lately.
By the way, a trip to Wisconsin will do that
for you a lot of brats. It is unbelievable how
much weight I can put on over three days. Now
it comes off fast, but it's incredible how much I
can put on. I'm going to give you a Christmas gift,
and I've decided to not buy you a Christmas gift
this year. Instead, this will be my gift to you. Okay,
(38:06):
we got about four minutes here before we're gonna hear
from Demon Williams. You can talk about whatever you want, man.
Gonzaga Husky basketball, Well.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Gonzaga's playing Creighton in about an hour. I'm ready to
getting ready for that one.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
No, we're going to your son's golf game, no daughter,
talk about how much you love your wife. You can
talk about whatever you want. This is my gift to you.
Just don't expect squat on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Okay, that's fair enough.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
I would say my biggest disappointment in the Seattle sports
scene over the last twenty years that I've been on
this rate, at twenty plus that I've been on this
radio station is the fact that my greatest love in
the sport of basketball has not existed in the NBA,
and that for a vast majority of that time, our
(38:52):
college basketball team has been irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And I have sat here like by myself.
Speaker 7 (38:57):
I feel like I'm the only person in this city
that watches college basketball or NBA every single night, and
yet I can't talk about it on the air because
it feels like nobody cares. I watched the Husky game
in its entirety. We got a long way to go.
(39:17):
I was a little bit, to be honest with you,
I was a little bit disappointed. I thought that was
gonna be a game that they could win, and I
still think it was a game they could win at Baylor.
Just not enough guys stepped up. Hanna Steinbach was rough
this team is gonna have a tough time shooting the.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Three ball all year long.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
And I think when you have a tough time shooting
the three ball as a group in its entirety, yeah,
there will be guys that get hot from three, but
they don't have it. I didn't see a pure three
point shooter on that team, and teams are gonna be
able to scout that, and I think that's gonna limit
the upside of this team. I didn't realize that they
(39:56):
were that poor shooting the basketball, so I think it's
gonna limit. I still think this this team absolutely can
be in the NCAA tournament, but I think the upside
is limited just based upon just the pure shot making
ability or inability of this team.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Well, let me just ask this man, because I think
this was a basketball team that when they put this
thing together, we thought, huh, that is a tournament team
right there. Yes, are we saying now that we are
not going to be surprised if they missed the tournament?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
No, I don't think you can say that for one game.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Like I just said, I still think they are going
to be a tournament team because I think the Big
ten should get nine ten teams which means all you
got to do is be in the top half of
the Big Ten. I haven't seen all Big Ten teams yet,
so it's tough for me to make that analysis on
whether the Huskies are a top half of the Big
ten team or a bottom half. But there's five or
(40:47):
six teams in the Big Ten that just talent wise,
have no shot being better than us.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Well, what what I need to see is I need
to see these guys be ready to roll by January.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
With all all the NW guys they've got, Danny Sprinkle
deserves a few weeks here to get this thing together
because what I saw Saturday night or Sunday night, Dick,
sorry and Waco, I don't know if you noticed this
or not, and we got to break here in a second.
For Demon, I saw signs of a team that had
played three games together on Sunday night, especially at the
point guard spot, feeding the rest of his teammates. I
(41:21):
saw a guy in JJ Maniquit who was eighteen years old,
and I forget that he's so young, has barely played
with his teammates. They don't even know each other, for
God's sake, So that was my concern, that is he
going to have enough time to get this thing put together?
And they better because they got no choice. But hey,
Demon Williams had a chance to catch up with him,
(41:43):
told him off the air how impressed I was that
he sucked it up, and he joined the assembled media
this afternoon.
Speaker 8 (41:51):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like this has always been
my mind, say, even in you know, high school and
coming up. My dad always taught me that you know,
you got to take your wins and also take your losses.
You know, the quarterback, and you know you're going to
get all the praise when you win, and you know
it's always going to come down all you want to
lose this, So it comes with the job and just
understanding that. And I think it's good for the team
to understand that, you know, what I mess up, I'll
take accountability as well and continue to play out stuff that.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I could work on too.
Speaker 14 (42:15):
Yeah, it's gonna say, I mean, obviously there's highs and
lows in this game. There's going to be a lot
more highs and lows for you as your career goes by.
What is Saturday night like for you when you're on
the plane, you're flying home thinking about the game Sunday morning.
What are those twenty four forty eight hours like for you,
particularly after a game like that.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
Yeah, I mean definitely just disappointed, you know, not how
we wanted it to go at all, and going back
and watching the tam you know, having plays that you
want back is definitely you know, a bad feeling in
your stomach. You know, you just want to have those back.
But the only way to make those things right is
by going out and playing your best game this week.
And that's the only mindset you really can't have, Just
to look forward and try not to pay too much
attention backwards.
Speaker 14 (42:53):
Yeah, Deman, we hear a lot from NFL players that
even talk about how much they hear from fans on
social media. With the advent of betting, they're hearing a
lot more from a lot more people.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Do you hear that stuff? Do you hear criticism? Do
you hear praise? Do you see social media and people
talking about you?
Speaker 8 (43:10):
I'd say a little bit, But I think that the
best part you know about this is just trying to
stay off of it as much as possible. Obviously, you know,
obviously it's the same thing. You know, people are going
to send your praises when you do good, and you know,
it's just not so much when you do bad, and
that's just is what it is. And you know that
comes with playing the sport, that comes to playing any sports.
So yeah, I would say just trying to go back
to a draw onboard and focus on people in the building.
Speaker 14 (43:31):
Well, the whole staying off social media thing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I'm fifty two.
Speaker 14 (43:34):
If you could show me how to do that, that'd
be phenomenal because that's a great way to go through life.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
Man.
Speaker 14 (43:38):
But to mine Williams with us, the lesson that you learned,
in particular from the fumble on third and twelve, talk
to me about what you want to take from that moment.
Speaker 10 (43:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:47):
I was just say, a situation in the football, knowing
where I'm at on the field, knowing the type of
game it was, and the weather conditions obviously, just ball
security and general you know, just taking care of the
ball has to be a premium and I understand that
and just continue to just try to make sure I
improve on that each week and throw.
Speaker 10 (44:03):
That it happen again.
Speaker 14 (44:03):
Yeah, And then same kind of lesson, same kind of
question on the deep ball to Desmond that got picked off.
Talk to me about what you saw on film that
you want to correct next time.
Speaker 11 (44:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
For sure.
Speaker 8 (44:12):
On the field, I felt like I was going to
have a one on one opportunity, and you know, the
corner didn't really bite. So that's all me to stay
disciplined in my head and make sure I continue to
go through my progression and get to my guys in
the flats. Whatever I gotta do to just get the
ball out.
Speaker 14 (44:23):
And you had a brand new center for a majority
of that game, and you might have handing a game
with you this Saturday. Tell me about that transition when
it happens mid game in a game like that where
it's wet, it's windy, and you got a brand new
guy under center.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
How difficult is that to go through.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
I want to say it's in crazy difficulties off the
reps in practice and you know, making sure that he
always stays ready and having that relationship with him, that
communication to understand that I trust him whenever he's in
the game, so continue to have that mindset with him.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think it was just makes us be better.
Speaker 14 (44:54):
Yeah, how much do you still feel like you're growing
as a quarterbacks as a second year guy?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
In this game. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
I mean, you know, I feel like I have a
ton of room to grow, and you know, I feel
like I just got to keep on just be where
my feet are and continue to just take it one
day at a time, and you know, just trust God,
whatever he has for me is already planned out, so
to be on my feet are and just taken one
day at a time.
Speaker 14 (45:14):
And just talking to you now and seeing you in
that press conference, you look pretty fired up right now,
like you're pretty motivated to get back out there Saturday.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I can I can feel that.
Speaker 14 (45:22):
How how fired up are you right now to get
out there Saturday and put Saturday in Wisconsin behind you?
Speaker 8 (45:29):
Yeah, I mean super fired up obviously. You know, like
I said, the only way to you know, get that
feeling out of your stomach is to go play your
best ball this upcoming week. So just looking forward and
trying not to look behind.
Speaker 14 (45:39):
Yeah, is there anything about the road home road splits
that you need to correct so you can give yourself
the best chance to be your best when you're away
from this stadium.
Speaker 8 (45:49):
Just still trying to figure it out. You know, that's
a part of growing and a part of being in
this League, trying to figure out how to you know,
be as good as you are at home on the
road and just continue to just find that out every
weekend and trying to a good plan for each game.
Speaker 14 (46:01):
Yeah, I love it. Great stuff, man, appreciate this and
we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Johnny, how are you man? Hey guys, Oh, we're so close,
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
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And then that's what your phone will so your phone
sounds like right now, can.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
You talry about that? I can hear you guys perfectly, Okay, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It could be an US problem. It could be an
US problem on our end. Well, John's with us. John,
We're doing good. Thanks for asking. By the way, So
before we dive into everything happening on the field, man,
there's a lot happening off the field and this Big
Ten equity saga, what's the latest? And it seems like
there's going to be some problems with this with a
few of the member institutions of the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
What's the latest there?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well, the latest go through with this deal even if
USC and Michigan are not on board, and that would
create an unprecedented situation in which sixteen schools would be
playing by one set of rules and two would be
playing by another. And part of the deal forgetting this
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money is that you have to extend the grant of
rights till twenty forty six. Sixteen teams schools would be
to the Big Ten until twenty forty six.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Michigan and USC would.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Only be members until twenty thirty six and then they
would be free agents. And the thing is if USC
and Michigan are free agents. They're gonna have plenty of
offers in twenty thirty six, right, I mean, if the
Big Ten things that they are, they're going to try
to back these two schools into a corner, I think
they're mistaken because they're gonna have.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Tons of options.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
John, John, let me just backtrack for a second. Sorry,
And I should have done this from the start. Can
we just explain this to people that don't know what's
going on? Reset, give us like thirty forty five seconds
on what exactly this story is all about, and dumb
it down for people like me?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Please?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Sure? So the Big Ten is looking into a private
capital infusion of two point four billion dollars, so that
money would be dispersed to the schools on an uneven
basis up front based on tiers. Washington be on the
third tier of revenue. Washington would get one hundred and
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ten million, Oregon and USC would get one hundred and
fifty million, Penn State, Ohio, State Michigan get one hundred
and ninety million. The deal would also require the schools
to sign a twenty year grand of rights, basically locking
them together for twenty years, so it would end in
ey chance of a super league. The deal also creates
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some they call Big Ten Enterprises, which would become a
for profit commercial arm of the conference to help generate,
you know, as much revenue as possible. Those are kind
of the main three aspects of it. But the biggest
deal is they would bind the schools for twenty years
together in the Big Ten, a lot of them, you know, Minnesota, Purdue.
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They're looking for security. They don't want to have State
in Michigan going off and forming a super league, so
that's why they're in favor of this. But if Michigan,
Ohio and USC don't sign on to it and they
go through with it anyhow, two of the biggest brands
in the conference would be free agents halfway through the
twenty year deal.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
So what's better for the conference as far as parody goes.
Do we want to see a more NFL type thing
where there's not a lot of difference between the third
fourth best team and the Big Ten and the fourteenth
fifteenth best team in the Big Ten?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Or is what's better for the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
To have two or three superpowers in the conference every
year and a lot of teams that stink?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I mean, that's kind of what they got this year, right,
and that's what it is every year. I mean, Michigan
and Ohio State and Penn State, to you know, over
the course of time, are the three dominant programs. The
thing is, I think this deal would actually create more
of a top heavy league because not only would Ohio State, Michigan,
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and Penn State get more upfront cash, They're also going
to create a unequal revenue model for the annual payouts
and those schools would be on top of that as well. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
John Wilner's with us on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
The other big story happening off the field is what's
going on with UCLA and the Rolls Bowl. So, I mean,
I guess just explain this again to me like I'm
a more on which I am, so it's going to
be easy. So basically, you dub is playing at the
Rolls Bowl next Saturday versus UCLA. Are you telling me
this is the potential final time that you doub will
ever play a regular season game at the Rose Bowl
next Saturday?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I think that is possible.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Yes, UCLA is moving forward as best as it can
to try to deal with Sofi Stadium to move the
home games to so Fi.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I happen to believe a.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Lot of this is still leverage now that they want
to get a better term for their lease on the
Rose Bowl and they're using going to Sofi Stadium as
the leverage. The Rose Bowl has sued UCLA to stop
the move, and we'll see. I think it's a very
interesting deal. I think it is completely misguided on the
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Bruins side to think that a lot more people are
going to go to Sofi Stadium then we go to
the Rose Bowl. That's preposterous. Part of the appeal is
all the luxury suites at Sofi Stadium, But then again,
how many UCLA fans are going to get those.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Take those luxury seats.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
I think it would be a terrible deal for UCLA,
And it's so obviously a terrible deal that I think
it's a negotiating ploy.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
John disaster struck at Camp Randall for the Huskies against Wisconsin.
I mean, it was unbelievable, the worst loss since the
Montana game. Why were the Huskies not able to get
over the top when they have before? Every single year
the Huskies face a team and almost lose. We saw
it at Arizona State the year they went to the
college football playoffs. Why weren't they able to get over
the top this time?
Speaker 5 (06:56):
That was atrocious.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
I thought that the biggest problem is their offense, and
it's not just It wasn't just the Wisconsin game.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
That's just the latest example.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
I went back and looked Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin the
second halves of those three games. Washington has scored three
points three points in six quarters, so that is and
they haven't played well on the road in general under
jedfish Right, They've got what one win at Maryland, right,
come back, come back win, and Maryland.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Clearly is not any good.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Their only win of the season is over Wisconsin in
Big Ten play. So a lot of it is they
are not very good on offense when they're on the
road and they're facing a decent defense. They got to
figure that out because you know, I know there were
some injuries, but to me, those injuries do not account
for the fact that you lose to Wisconsin, which is awful.
(07:49):
No offense, I mean it was that was really bad.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
That was shockingly bad. From the Austin.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yes, John, I'm sorry to do this to you, but
I want to go back to the UCLA story. I
appolgejys I should have followed up on that from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But there's two things. I want to just go back
to that for a quick second.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You said it's a negotiating ploy by UCLA either A
what to get a better deal from the Rose Bull
And do you think it's possible, Okay, do you think
it's possible that UCLA, even if they do move to Sofi,
would do that short term and the long term plan
is eventually to build a smaller stadium on campus or
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do you see them actually moving to Sofi and stay
in there forever.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I do not believe on campus stadium is viable. You know,
if you know UCLA's campus, it's there's not a lot
of room they would make the in theory, what they
do is they take Drake Stadium, which is the track
and field on the northwest corner borders Wilshire and turn
that into a on campus stadium of like forty thousand.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Here's the problem. All those rich folks.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
In bel Air across Wilshire Boulevard would go Nanas that
is an incredibly powerful neighborhood association with immense amount of resources,
and in my opinion, there is no way they will
let you cla do that on campus team. I think
if they move to Sofi, then they moved to Sofi
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and that's it for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
God, that's amazing, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, John Wilner is with us, and John's go back
to the Huskies again. So you know, Dick mentioned it
disaster striking in Madison over the weekend. You gave us
your thoughts on the home road problems. They've got it.
It was pathetic in a lot of ways by U
dub on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But where does that leave Jedfish?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Because that seems to be the big conversation right now
amongst Husky fans, like where does he go? Where does
udub go from him? And he very well may want
to move on and go somewhere, but losing to Wisconsin
doesn't help him to do that. So I guess my
question is how much do you believe Jedfish wants to
exit Washington. There's been a lot of report from people
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saying they believe that. And then number two, if he
does want to exit, can he exit?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Well?
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I have never thought he was a lot long termer
in Seattle in the first place.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I mean to me, it was he viewed.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
It as a stepping stone job to get somewhere else
NFL Florida his alma mater, or a premier what he've
uses a better gig in the big ten or sec.
I thought he was a short timer all along, which
was part of the risk in hiring him in the
first place. So to me, I mean, he's got his
eyes out, there's no question he's looking around.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
This doesn't help his market value, but I also don't
think it really hurts. I mean, you know, if UCLA
really wants him, then losing the Wisconsin is not Washington.
Losing Wisconsin's not going to prevent the Bruins from going
after him, for instance. What it does is it hurts
him in the market for jobs that he doesn't have
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any kind of personal ties to, whether it's Florida or UCLA.
But you know, Washington's need to expect this was going
to happen the moment they hired him, which again was
part of the risk in hiring him. And then they
have his buyoss not very big, so almost any school
is going to be able to afford him if they
want him.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
So what do you make of his comments? A softy
asked him this week. Other people have asked him this week.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He says he loves his job here.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
I mean, do you believe anything that come out of
coaches mouths when they answer those type of questions, or
is Jedfish in a little bit of a different bucket
than some other coaches because he has traveled so many.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Places in such a short time.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I believe very few of them.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
There are a few instances where I do believe them,
like Kenny Dillingham at ASU. He grew up in Phoenix,
he went to ASU, he lives next door to his sister.
He just signed a contract that is based on longevity
and security. I believe Kenny Dillyham is standing at issue
for a long time, but there's very few cases like that.
I don't believe Jetfish anything he says, why would you?
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But I also don't believe most of them.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I mean, Fish said that same kind of.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Stuff when when he was at Arizona and I saw
his comment was that yesterday about the lists, like those
people who make the list don't know anything. You know
who makes those lists, the agents, they're who make the list.
And his agent is leaking his name to reporters to
drum up interest so I kind of laughed when he
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said the lists are are, you know, basically irrelevant because
they're coming from agents.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, what do you think happens?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Honestly, if you had to put any significant amount of
money on this thing, for what Jetfish does when the
year is over, And obviously it depends in a lot
of ways on how this year goes for Washington. Right,
if thinking rally and finish with ten wins and beat
Oregon and you win a ballgame, his resume looks a
lot stronger.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So what does your gut tell you Jed Fish is
doing next year?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Well, my gut tells me that they're going to lose
to the Ducks and that they may also lose to UCLA.
I mean, I don't know why you trust them on
the road. They can't win on the road, So I
think they go there's a real chance they could lose
to UCLA. I think the only viable place. I really
don't think Florida is an option. Was what my bet
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tells me. And so it's pretty much Ucla or staying
in Seattle. If I were betting, I would probably bet
he's back in Seattle for next season.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
If they were to lose those two games and even
win a bowl game and finish eight and five. I mean,
is that a step in the right direction just because
it's two wins more than last year, or is that
a massive disappointment?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I would say, I mean for Husky fans, I would
think would be viewed as a big disappointment given where
they were.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
If you had told me before.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
The season, they're going to go seven and five and
then win a bowl game, I'd have thought, Yeah, I
could see that. That might have been slightly on the
low end of what I I would have expected, but
it was certainly a reasonable range. But if you're a
Washington fan and you watched them play so well in
so many games early and that they're six and two
and they're thinking about maybe sneaking into the playoff, and
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then they finish eight and five, it'd be a pretty
big disappointment.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I would think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I mean, I guess in that context, I could see it.
Do we allow ourselves to look at it? John, And
I guess, I don't know. Maybe this is just you know,
one perspective, right, I'm looking at it through one lens
and you're looking at it through a different lens, and
that is the lens of what he took over a
year and a half ago when the roster got blown
to bits. Was it really realistic in February of twenty
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twenty four that in year two he was going to
make the College Football Playoff? And if I would have
told you in February of twenty four that in year
two he's going to be nine and three and their
second year in the Big Ten after the roster got
blown to Kingdom, come, would you have looked at that
at that point as real progress.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah? I thought all.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Along if if that would be real progres and if
I were a Washington fan and they finished date in five,
I think, you know what that's I'm a little disappointed,
but I can see the trajectory here, and I'm encouraged
about what I've seen, and I'm ready for next year.
And then next year they need to be winning nine
or ten games. But I don't really like, as an
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objective observer, I don't really see that there's a big
problem with where things are going.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Even if they do lose two more, I think on the.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Against the broad canvas of what you could have reasonably expected,
they're doing fine.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
John Softy has long asked for a sarcasm font on Twitter.
We have not gotten one yet, So I want to
know if this tweet by John Wilner last night deserves
the sarcasm font or if it's authentic, said, the AP
Top twenty five is so meaningless that this platform has
been bombarded all season with complaints about the Bowl. Yep,
it's totally irrelevant. Nobody cares. Why does the AP even bother?
(15:56):
Do we need a sarcasm font on that? Or is
that authentic?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
You need sarcasm in the biggest, boldest funt you could find.
That's I'm getting a kick out of it because there's
been so many complaints about the AP poll on Twitter
all season about how it's meaningless. Well, then why is
everybody talking about it every week and complaining about it?
Obviously it's not meaningless, and I can assure.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
You that there's no chance.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
The AP is going to get rid of the poll
and it sees how much reaction it's getting.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, first of all, I can answer all those questions
for you if you'd like.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I mean, I know what you're in.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I have responses every single one. First of all, the
reason why people talk about the AP pole the way
they do is because up until last week, it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Was the only poll.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
All Right, nobody looks at the coaches poll because the
coaches poll is sid's voting, and coaches have no idea
what the hell they're doing. So up until last week,
until last Tuesday, it was the only poll we had.
It's less relevant now for conversation because the CFP is
now officially out for the second consecutive week. Came out,
as Dick said about a half an hour ago. However,
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I think the reason why people threw a fit about
this week's eight peo pole is because the Oregon Ducks
went to Iowa beat Iowa Ole miss host of Citadel,
and these two teams fliped.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Spots in the AP. How does that happen? And how
do you sleep at.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Night working for an organization like that?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
That's That's one I can't explain.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I moved to Oregon out for sure, I.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Cannot explain a lot of the stuff that happens in
the a people I can't explain. And there's certainly I
get plenty of criticism for some of my votes, Like
right now, I'm getting criticized for where I have textas
relative to Vanderbilt and Oklahoma and you know what, that's
I have my own way of doing it, and I
have to think that losing the Florida is a terrible
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loss for Texas.
Speaker 9 (17:53):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
But you know, everybody has their own unique way of
doing it, and there's going to be discrepancies and quirks
in their polls. The one thing that is tough for
me to swallow is when there's ballots that are based
on people not being in voters not being informed of
the results. That bothers me as a voter.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
John Should a team be able to change a player's
number and disguise him as a punter like USC did
with Sam Hewart on Friday?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
What I want to know is why didn't USC save
that for the Oregon game?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That was a good point point.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Why would you use it when you're in a game
you're gonna win. So the bottom line.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
On that is it was a penalty.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
What should have happened is the Trujan should have been
assessed a fifteen yard penalty when their actual punter came
out on the field later in the game, because you
can't have two players that play the same position were
the same number. So Sam Hewart comes out there in
eighty and they do the fake punt, fine, but the
moment the other punter comes out wearing eighty, that's when
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the violation occurs.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So that is technically that's the rule. They're going to
get this.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I'm a little surprised there wasn't like a mid week change,
you know how. Sometimes they'll do a midwek change and
then caa rules because of a loophole, like they did
last year. I think with Oregon and Ohio State and
the eleven or the twelve man on the field, they'll
get that cleared up, I think over the off season.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But it was a violation by USA presee, cheating Trojan
bastards is what they are, and they got Well, yes.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
You could say that, but I'm going to get back
to our first topic. UFC is trying to save the
Big ten from a gigantic mistake, and if they succeed
at Washington, Pens should be thanking the Trojans right because
Washington is one of those schools that I just I'm
having a hard time wrapping my arms around what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Interesting. All right, well we'll dig more into that and
get back to you next week. All right, you're on fire,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Again, Iowa plus the points against the Ducks seven and
four on the air, three and one your last four
Willner's winner. The Windalorean has again the proper path. He
is walking the straight line, and he is on his
way to another winning season.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Let's not veer off. Okay, let's not slip up.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Let's not be convinced to go the wrong way when
the right way has been working so well, John, what
do you got this week for us?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm actually I'm going with the Huskies because they're good
at home, and they're very good at home against bad
teams and produce bad and the last line I saw.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Was sixteen and a half. That's still okay?
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I mean, Illinois is way better
than Perdue.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
You could argue Rutgers.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Is even better than Perdue. And the Huskies stumped the vote.
So to me, this is like thirty eight ten or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I wonder if this is one of those games where
if the Huskies don't win big, we're gonna have a
problem on yeah Monday, right, Yeah, all right, John, great stuff,
enjoy the weekend, and we'll talk next Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Man, thanks a lot, guys, All right, John.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
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Sunday against the Rams? I gotta be honest with you,
Jackson and Dick. I'm still kind of floored by that
(22:28):
stephen A Smith clip that we played in Fun with
Audio earlier on today when Mina Chimes went on ESPN
and was hyping the Seahawks. He's not even tuning in
right now. He's doing something back there. Because I'd like
to get this clip again. By the way, for those
that missed it, the steven A clip number two on
Fun with Audio, can you grab that again?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Thanks? See you told me about this in the commercial break.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I would have been able to have.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, if you were listening to what was happening on
Running Crack and you want to be mad at a
cracking one, right, not mad.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
At anybody, Hey, who's mad? I'm just telling you get
that clip for me, Pale. I still can't believe.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
That people.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean, I'm trying to equate this to something that
we've said on the air, Dick right, like an example
of a narrative that was formed about an athlete or
a coach that was based on one game. Yeah, because
Sam Darnold has this choker narrative that people like Steven A.
Smith have slapped on him after one playoff game. And
(23:28):
when I asked, you, guys during fun with Attio at
three forty five, how many playoff games has he played?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I thought, am I missing something? Maybe it was like
three or four? No, just the one.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And that came last year, not even a year ago.
So this is what Stephen A said to me at
times on ESPN the other day.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
Does anyone here know what Mike McDonald's record is on
the road with this team?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
They didn't.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
They didn't, one, guys. So when we talk about the
road going through the Philadelphia Eagles, you know who's not
scared of doing that? This Seattle Seahawk because they have
been going on the row dominating teams.
Speaker 12 (24:04):
Well, hold on, hold, don Mena comes let's pump the
brakes for just a second. McDonald coach McDonald can feel
that way all he wants to. He ain't coach Sam
Donald in the playoffs. I he ain't coach Sam Donald playoff.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So that's wait, let's wait and see.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's incredible because I don't want to be just a
total homer and defend Sam Donald to a tee and
have what are the Seahawks colors green and silver? Whatever
the hell they are? Green blue, silver colored glasses on? Like,
I want to see some logic in that, right, I
want to see some logic in painting a guy as
a playoff choker, which Stephen A basically just did after
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one playoff game.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What am I missing here?
Speaker 7 (24:53):
It is to be expected that Sam Donald struggled in
that playoff game. He was playing an excellent defense and
a quarterback that had won a.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Super Bowl before. You know who's gonna be the Sam
Donald this year?
Speaker 7 (25:03):
I'm telling you right now, Jackson, you can record this
on November the eleventh, all right, Drake May and the
New England Patriots are probably if you look at their record,
they could go like thirteen and four. They play nobody, nobody,
Right the rest of the year, they are going to
be like Minnesota, and they are going to go to
the playoffs and they will face in the divisional round
like a Kansas City Chiefs or a Baltimore Ravens, and
(25:27):
Drake May will look terrible and everybody will say, oh,
look he choked in the playoffs. No, he's a young
quarterback that hadn't never started in the playoffs, just like
Sam Donald was a twenty six year old quarterback that
had never started in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Again, I'm just I'm looking for an analogy here, and
I'm struggling to.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Find out to find a history by behind one game,
Like if there was a I don't know, Let's say
there's a rookie NBA player Kevin Durant, right, two thousand
and eight, Okay, Sonics make the playoffs and.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He struggles and they lose, and over the offseason, Oh man,
you haven't seen what Durant does in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Man, he must have played a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
No, just the one series, I mean, just right, like
it's it just defies logic. And again, I guess, I
guess maybe people are just kind of waiting for him
to fall apart because they can't believe the turnaround and
they don't believe it's true. And he's not the only one.
By the way, he was on with Jackson Bevans today
(26:27):
on his podcast. He was on with us two weeks ago,
right with you and me, and he said, he's great,
but I want to see what happens come playoff time.
And hey, look, in the end, all quarterbacks are judged
by what they do in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I get that all guys are judged.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
If they play on really good regular season teams, they
will be eventually judged on what they do come playoff time.
And I think that's fair. And Sam Darnold, we may
Dick be talking in two months from now. Who knows
about a guy that can't get it done come playoff time.
The more playoff games he plays and the more playoff
games he struggles in, the more that vrative becomes appropriate.
(27:02):
I just don't think it's appropriate now after four quarters.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
The only I agree with you on that.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
The only guy I can think of that I remember
got hammered pretty good after his first playoff game was
Lamar Jackson. He had an amazing season and remember they
played the Chargers in his first ever playoff game, and
he was bad. He completed forty eight percent of his passes,
he had a passer rating of seventy eight. He had
a QBR of eleven in that game.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And people say.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
That's team Lamar Jackson can win games in the regular season,
but he's not a playoff quarterback. And now, hey, to
their defense, Lamar Jackson doesn't won a lot of games playoff.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It took some time to actually have that narrative bear
out and right, and it's probably fair, but you're trying.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
To But you asked, do I have a cop of
somebody that got killed after one playoff game? I do
remember people saying Lamar Jackson after one game, Yeah, doesn't
have the type of game that fits in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, again, I first of all, the guy wasn't even
really supposed to be there a year ago. What he did,
the only reason why they were there to begin with
was in a lot of ways because of him. Right
the year that Darnald had a year ago, Like, do
they go fourteen to three without Sam Darnaldo, who was
their backup quarterback last year because McCarthy was hurt and
Carson wentz. I don't think was there yet who was
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the number two guy in Minnesota last season?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Looked that up for me if I will.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But that's the point is that they were only there
in a lot of ways because of Sam Darnald and
the year that he had.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So I am totally willing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
To let Donald's career play out, especially in January, Dick
and see what he does come playoff time.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
What I'm not willing to do yet, Nick Mullens.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Nick Mullens, what I'm not willing to do yet after
one playoff game is paint him as a playoff choker.
And I may and we may be painting him as
a playoff choker totally in a year two years from now.
If he keeps making the postseason, the Hawks keep getting
them to the playoffs, and he keeps falling apart come
playoff time, then yeah, at that point, then yes, the
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label is totally fair.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But in no way, shape or form do I believe
it's fair right now.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
N Let's say Sam Donald, we go to the playoffs
and Sam Donald has the exact same game that he
had against San Francisco in the first game of the season.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, you know you're.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Sixteen to twenty three seventy percent, but didn't have a touchdown,
didn't have an interception.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
They lose seventeen to thirteen. Is that a playoff choke?
Or is that Sam.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Donald going up against the good defense and getting held down.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean to me, it's hard to answer those questions, right,
Like we always say, how are you gonna feel in
two months from now?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Ask me in two months. I have no idea. Let's
talk context. What kind of team are they playing? How
good are they defensively?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
All that stuff is what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So like, if they play I'm just looking at the
top defensive teams right now in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Like the Rams this week, right, let's go.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Let's go Rams, Let's go if they play in the Packers,
if they play Philadelphia, a team like that, and he
puts up those kinds of numbers and they have a
hard time running the ball, and guys are having a
hard time getting open. It's a slug fest, a low
scoring game. I think in the end, all he's got
to do is win. To be totally honest with you,
I don't give a damn what they look like in
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the postseason.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Just win.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
If you're talking about your expectations are Hey, if we
play the Rams in the playoffs, or we play the
Packers in the playoffs, or the Eagles in the playoffs,
or even let's say the Lions in the playoffs, see
and the Seahawks win. But Sam Darnold looks like ass.
That he's terrible.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
That's just stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, most quarterbacks look like ass against those teams.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Football is survive in advance in the postseason, just like
it was for the Mariners. Man, nobody cared just win games.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I feel like I feel like there is a short
fuse that a lot of people have out there, including
a lot of in the national media. You just heard
a clip right there, right from Steven Ay that are
waiting for this guy to go to the playoffs, crap
his pants and for them to say, I told you, sir,
it's coming. Trust me, we're gonna break.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Demon.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
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Huskies in Purdue on Saturday? You heard the take from
the Husky Hawks Greg Lewis Mario Bailey says, there is
absolutely nothing the Huskies can do in this game to
make you feel any better about what happens Saturday versus Wisconsin.
I think there's a lot they can't do to make
you feel worse about what happened against Wisconsin. Like, do
(32:05):
you like the fact that they're playing Purdue this weekend
or do you almost wish they were playing somebody else
of significant so maybe you could regain a little bit
of what was lost last I.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Absolutely think that I would rather be playing a usc An, Iowa,
somebody that's got some cachet somebody's got a number.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
By their name because I finished, because I think they would.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Win that game, coming on a game like that at home,
the way they play at home, I think they would
win a game like that.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, I guess my question is this, what is First
of all, we know what's left to play for, and
that is to significantly improve your win loss record versus
last year.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Right, that's it. Right, we're talking.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
About beating Oregon great down the road, great, but winning
nine games, winning ten games I still think would mark
a lot of progress for this football team considering where
they were in February of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But are we looking for an identity?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Are we looking at a bunch of guys that are
coming back next year? This is where I struggle, guys
with this is that in years past, which means like
three years ago, we would look at a team like
this and say, oh man, they really got something clicking
with Roebuck and Vines Bright and Demon Williams and that
threesome there, and this auDA Mohammed or Jordan Washington or
that line's gonna come back next year. We could always
(33:21):
look ahead in college football always, and we could always
say they had a rough year record, wisement man.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
There's some pieces that are guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
To come back and I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Now, you can't do that exactly right, So how do
we approach this?
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I I just can't get out of my mind what
Dixon told me in the car today where he just.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Said it is this something he wants on the air
or was that between the father and son?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Might have been between father and son, but it's his
voice sound like this anymore? I mean it, but it
was very pertinent. Quote.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Well, they really have nothing to play for anymore, right,
And I feel that that Dixon represents ninety percent of
Husky names.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well, let's get some text. I have nothing to play.
How you feel is that if you're not playing for
the CFP, that there's nothing left to play for.
Speaker 13 (34:10):
So when I was a kid, I would play those
NCAA Football EA Sports video games, and I would always
do the franchise mode and playing with the Huskies, And
when I lost either the second or third game of
a given season the franchise mode, I would just simulate
the rest of the year because I knew, well, I'm
not going to be in the BCS National Championship Game
(34:30):
this year.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Is lost.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
I'm just gonna fa I don't care about the other bowls.
I'm just gonna simulate the whole thing and then go
to next year.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Right now, couldn't you couldn't you sim the rest of
the season.
Speaker 13 (34:38):
And probably it's weird because looking back, I'm like, what
an idiotic little kid. But at the same time, I'm
a Husky fan and right now I'm like, cool, We're
going to be in a nonsense bowl game.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't maybe we getting a good one.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
But see, here's the difference though, Like even even at
some of the like take some of the Seahawks seasons
where they were seven and nine under Pete Carroll or
the Mariners where they fell short, we could go back
and say, oh yeah, but look at this court. It's
a good difference the right look at the court. They're
all coming back. We can go to spring training or
go to training camp and say that we know who
(35:15):
the left tackle is, we know who the starting catcher is.
You can't do that in college football. So if you're
not playing for anything now, it's like it's over. Yes,
I mean the rivalry with the Ducks is still there,
and yeah, winning eight or nine games, ten games would
be nice. But if you're not playing for the CFP
and you can't guarantee that everyone's back next season, I
(35:37):
get it, and I get it. I think it's more
of a problem now than ever. You say to yourself
the Perdue game, I'm concerned about the crowd on Saturday. Oh,
I think it's concerned four o'clock kickoff coming off that loss.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Cfp's done.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
I think it's the one thing, the one thing really
on and it's terrible. But the one thing we have
to look forward to is potentially being a spoiler. Let's
have USC heap Oregon. So if they come here and lose,
we have knocked him. That would that would feed my
soul a little bit if we were the.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Team that knocked him out of the CFP in the
last game of the season.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I think that's a good way to put it. Man,
is there anything that can feed your soul as a Husky?
Is there anything that can feed your soul as a
Husky football fan right now? Because I can't guarantee everyone's
coming back. You're not playing for the College Football Playoff,
don't know if the coach is coming back. I don't
know if the coach is going to return.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Even if he does return, there's gonna be some attrition.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
We know that some but probably not very maybe not
much of significance.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But you never know who's gonna come and who's gonna go.
So what is it?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
What is it that's got you fired up the rest
of the way, And trust me, if we can figure
it out, I'll promote the piss out of it. Honestly,
I'll go crazy with it.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
But what is it?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Four nine four or five one? You tell us?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
All right, uh be the tenth callar right now win
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ninety five. We're gonna hear from Demon Williams in a
matter of minutes. I spoke to the assembled media today
about the interception, the fumble, the whole thing, and then
I grabbed him by the back of the neck and
I dragged him down the hallway the tunnel and I said, look, man,
you and I are having a conversation. We are talking,
(37:35):
and so we spoke at a nice little five or
six minute talk. So you'll hear my take and my
talk with DeMont Williams coming up in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I do have something to announce here on the radio show.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
You're pregnant. Congratulats I am.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I'm having a baby. That's why I'm so fat lately.
By the way, a trip to Wisconsin will do that
for you a lot of brats. It is unbelievable how
much weight I can put on over three days. Now
it comes off fast, but it's incredible how much I
can put on. I'm going to give you a Christmas gift,
and I've decided to not buy you a Christmas gift
this year. Instead, this will be my gift to you. Okay,
(38:06):
we got about four minutes here before we're gonna hear
from Demon Williams. You can talk about whatever you want, man.
Gonzaga Husky basketball, Well.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Gonzaga's playing Creighton in about an hour. I'm ready to
getting ready for that one.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
No, we're going to your son's golf game, no daughter,
talk about how much you love your wife. You can
talk about whatever you want. This is my gift to you.
Just don't expect squat on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Okay, that's fair enough.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
I would say my biggest disappointment in the Seattle sports
scene over the last twenty years that I've been on
this rate, at twenty plus that I've been on this
radio station is the fact that my greatest love in
the sport of basketball has not existed in the NBA,
and that for a vast majority of that time, our
(38:52):
college basketball team has been irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And I have sat here like by myself.
Speaker 7 (38:57):
I feel like I'm the only person in this city
that watches college basketball or NBA every single night, and
yet I can't talk about it on the air because
it feels like nobody cares. I watched the Husky game
in its entirety. We got a long way to go.
(39:17):
I was a little bit, to be honest with you,
I was a little bit disappointed. I thought that was
gonna be a game that they could win, and I
still think it was a game they could win at Baylor.
Just not enough guys stepped up. Hanna Steinbach was rough
this team is gonna have a tough time shooting the.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Three ball all year long.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
And I think when you have a tough time shooting
the three ball as a group in its entirety, yeah,
there will be guys that get hot from three, but
they don't have it. I didn't see a pure three
point shooter on that team, and teams are gonna be
able to scout that, and I think that's gonna limit
the upside of this team. I didn't realize that they
(39:56):
were that poor shooting the basketball, so I think it's
gonna limit. I still think this this team absolutely can
be in the NCAA tournament, but I think the upside
is limited just based upon just the pure shot making
ability or inability of this team.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Well, let me just ask this man, because I think
this was a basketball team that when they put this
thing together, we thought, huh, that is a tournament team
right there. Yes, are we saying now that we are
not going to be surprised if they missed the tournament?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
No, I don't think you can say that for one game.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Like I just said, I still think they are going
to be a tournament team because I think the Big
ten should get nine ten teams which means all you
got to do is be in the top half of
the Big Ten. I haven't seen all Big Ten teams yet,
so it's tough for me to make that analysis on
whether the Huskies are a top half of the Big
ten team or a bottom half. But there's five or
(40:47):
six teams in the Big Ten that just talent wise,
have no shot being better than us.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Well, what what I need to see is I need
to see these guys be ready to roll by January.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
With all all the NW guys they've got, Danny Sprinkle
deserves a few weeks here to get this thing together
because what I saw Saturday night or Sunday night, Dick,
sorry and Waco, I don't know if you noticed this
or not, and we got to break here in a second.
For Demon, I saw signs of a team that had
played three games together on Sunday night, especially at the
point guard spot, feeding the rest of his teammates. I
(41:21):
saw a guy in JJ Maniquit who was eighteen years old,
and I forget that he's so young, has barely played
with his teammates. They don't even know each other, for
God's sake, So that was my concern, that is he
going to have enough time to get this thing put together?
And they better because they got no choice. But hey,
Demon Williams had a chance to catch up with him,
(41:43):
told him off the air how impressed I was that
he sucked it up, and he joined the assembled media
this afternoon.
Speaker 8 (41:51):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like this has always been
my mind, say, even in you know, high school and
coming up. My dad always taught me that you know,
you got to take your wins and also take your losses.
You know, the quarterback, and you know you're going to
get all the praise when you win, and you know
it's always going to come down all you want to
lose this, So it comes with the job and just
understanding that. And I think it's good for the team
to understand that, you know, what I mess up, I'll
take accountability as well and continue to play out stuff that.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I could work on too.
Speaker 14 (42:15):
Yeah, it's gonna say, I mean, obviously there's highs and
lows in this game. There's going to be a lot
more highs and lows for you as your career goes by.
What is Saturday night like for you when you're on
the plane, you're flying home thinking about the game Sunday morning.
What are those twenty four forty eight hours like for you,
particularly after a game like that.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
Yeah, I mean definitely just disappointed, you know, not how
we wanted it to go at all, and going back
and watching the tam you know, having plays that you
want back is definitely you know, a bad feeling in
your stomach. You know, you just want to have those back.
But the only way to make those things right is
by going out and playing your best game this week.
And that's the only mindset you really can't have, Just
to look forward and try not to pay too much
attention backwards.
Speaker 14 (42:53):
Yeah, Deman, we hear a lot from NFL players that
even talk about how much they hear from fans on
social media. With the advent of betting, they're hearing a
lot more from a lot more people.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Do you hear that stuff? Do you hear criticism? Do
you hear praise? Do you see social media and people
talking about you?
Speaker 8 (43:10):
I'd say a little bit, But I think that the
best part you know about this is just trying to
stay off of it as much as possible. Obviously, you know,
obviously it's the same thing. You know, people are going
to send your praises when you do good, and you know,
it's just not so much when you do bad, and
that's just is what it is. And you know that
comes with playing the sport, that comes to playing any sports.
So yeah, I would say just trying to go back
to a draw onboard and focus on people in the building.
Speaker 14 (43:31):
Well, the whole staying off social media thing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I'm fifty two.
Speaker 14 (43:34):
If you could show me how to do that, that'd
be phenomenal because that's a great way to go through life.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
Man.
Speaker 14 (43:38):
But to mine Williams with us, the lesson that you learned,
in particular from the fumble on third and twelve, talk
to me about what you want to take from that moment.
Speaker 10 (43:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:47):
I was just say, a situation in the football, knowing
where I'm at on the field, knowing the type of
game it was, and the weather conditions obviously, just ball
security and general you know, just taking care of the
ball has to be a premium and I understand that
and just continue to just try to make sure I
improve on that each week and throw.
Speaker 10 (44:03):
That it happen again.
Speaker 14 (44:03):
Yeah, And then same kind of lesson, same kind of
question on the deep ball to Desmond that got picked off.
Talk to me about what you saw on film that
you want to correct next time.
Speaker 11 (44:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
For sure.
Speaker 8 (44:12):
On the field, I felt like I was going to
have a one on one opportunity, and you know, the
corner didn't really bite. So that's all me to stay
disciplined in my head and make sure I continue to
go through my progression and get to my guys in
the flats. Whatever I gotta do to just get the
ball out.
Speaker 14 (44:23):
And you had a brand new center for a majority
of that game, and you might have handing a game
with you this Saturday. Tell me about that transition when
it happens mid game in a game like that where
it's wet, it's windy, and you got a brand new
guy under center.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
How difficult is that to go through.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
I want to say it's in crazy difficulties off the
reps in practice and you know, making sure that he
always stays ready and having that relationship with him, that
communication to understand that I trust him whenever he's in
the game, so continue to have that mindset with him.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think it was just makes us be better.
Speaker 14 (44:54):
Yeah, how much do you still feel like you're growing
as a quarterbacks as a second year guy?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
In this game. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
I mean, you know, I feel like I have a
ton of room to grow, and you know, I feel
like I just got to keep on just be where
my feet are and continue to just take it one
day at a time, and you know, just trust God,
whatever he has for me is already planned out, so
to be on my feet are and just taken one
day at a time.
Speaker 14 (45:14):
And just talking to you now and seeing you in
that press conference, you look pretty fired up right now,
like you're pretty motivated to get back out there Saturday.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I can I can feel that.
Speaker 14 (45:22):
How how fired up are you right now to get
out there Saturday and put Saturday in Wisconsin behind you?
Speaker 8 (45:29):
Yeah, I mean super fired up obviously. You know, like
I said, the only way to you know, get that
feeling out of your stomach is to go play your
best ball this upcoming week. So just looking forward and
trying not to look behind.
Speaker 14 (45:39):
Yeah, is there anything about the road home road splits
that you need to correct so you can give yourself
the best chance to be your best when you're away
from this stadium.
Speaker 8 (45:49):
Just still trying to figure it out. You know, that's
a part of growing and a part of being in
this League, trying to figure out how to you know,
be as good as you are at home on the
road and just continue to just find that out every
weekend and trying to a good plan for each game.
Speaker 14 (46:01):
Yeah, I love it. Great stuff, man, appreciate this and
we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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