November 17, 2025 • 33 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain react to the Seahawks loss to the LA Rams yesterday including the performance of Sam Darnold and how we feel about the team going into Week 12, then they get to Fact or Fiction and react to Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where can anybody confirm or deny this story? Please, there's
a report coming in that Sam Donald has just thrown
another pick. Come on, is that accurate?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean, look after that performance by him yesterday, and
I'm just talking about the performance by him, I hope
he can wake up and just laugh it off and
just move on because that was terrible, right, I mean,
there's no.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Other way around it.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I got a fundamental rule guys that when you throw
four interceptions in a football game, you're pretty much stunk.
And Sam Donald pretty much stunk in that game yesterday.
It was the third time in his career he's had
a four interception game. The other two times happened with
happened with the Jets. Russell correct the New York Jets.
My cousin Evan texted me yesterday and said, that's the
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same I know from his days back with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
He's now one an eight when he throws three pricks
or more.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And I tweeted this out when the game was over,
that when Jason Myers missed that sixty one yardfield goal,
which by the.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Way, I realized at sixty one, not fifty one.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I also think and you guys may agree or disagree
that sixty one today is not what sixty one was
ten years ago. Those guy's hitting bombs all over the
place now in the NFL, can we have gotten maybe
a little bit of a better effort from Jason Myers?
I mean, he looked like me on the fifte of
Meridian Valley, just shoving my drive right into the woods
eighty five yards off the fairway.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That thing wasn't even close.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Man, I expected after seeing what he did at the
end of the first half, Yes, I at least expected
the football to get the requisite distance.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Not only was it why to the right by five yards,
results it also hit the middle of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, I think I think two things.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I think it was almost appropriate that they lost the game,
because it's like, if you're cashing in a four interception
game for a win with the football gods, like, what
are you agreeing to?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What are you agreeing to?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And if we've only got one ticket to burn, one
golden ticket to burn, one token to burn with the
football gods, and we burned it yesterday and beat the
Rams on a four pick game by our starting quarterback,
are they going to reach it and pull our guts
out again in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Maybe.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Frankly, I thought we already lucked into that with the
NFC Championship rights defade ago.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We've done that, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It just kind of feels like we got one banked.
We got one bank that we did not use. We decided,
you know, maybe subconsciously to not use it yesterday on
the Ram win. But it felt appropriate that the Rams
will win that game. There is an alternate universe where
I think Number one, the Rams lose the game, and
I think that they're humiliated by what happened yesterday. Right
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if the Rams had lost that game, Guys, after picking
Sam Darnold off four times, that is a humiliating loss
for LA number one of the number two, you think,
oh my god, they didn't even play remotely their best
football and they just beat maybe what we thought was
the best team in the NFC in their stadium, in
the Rams. I mean, that would have been like, are
you kidding me? They can show up with one hand
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tied behind their back and they can throw four picks
and still win a game against the Rams. So I
don't know. I mean, look, guys, I want to go
on the air here. I went to talk about darnld
second and I texted you yesterday. I put it on
Twitter last night. Did you see my tweet, by the way, yes,
that I want to be pissed off. I want to
rip Donald apart. I want to say, what are you doing?
Don't be an idiot? Stop throwing four interceptions. I mean,
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you go back and look at like the last three
big games that Sam Darnold's played, which is the line
game that was for the NFC Nord Championship right nick
when he was in Minnesota, the RAM game, in the.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Playoff game, in the RAM game last night.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Those are like the three biggest games he's played in
the last year. And he's got six turnovers combined in
the three games, six of them. He's been terrible in.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Those three games.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So this little thing that's building that we talked about
last week, it's only going to get louder and louder, unfortunately,
until Sam Donald goes out there and wins a big
game and he does it on his shoulders, or at
least minimum doesn't give it up the way he did
in some ways yesterday. But God, he threw four picks
and they were a sixty one yard field goal away
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from winning that thing. After basically, I think shutting down
the league's best offense for four quarters, I feel good.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Why do I feel good? I'm not supposed to feel good,
but I feel good.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh. I think you can feel good after losses, absolutely,
And this is the exact type of loss I think
you feel good about. I remember, we talked this last
week about a couple of things, and one thing that
I was worried about was, Okay, how will the Seahawks
match up against a truly Super Bowl caliber team?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right? And they matched up very, very favorably.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
In fact, other than the four interceptions, the rest of
the team dominated the Los Angeles Rams in every.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Sense of the word.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Dominated a team that is now plus five point fifty
to win the Super Bowl. The Rams are the number
one team in Vegas to win the right win the
Super Bowl. We went down there and dominated them, but
handed them the football four.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Times, allowing them to win by two points.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So I feel more confident that the Seahawks could be
a deep Super Bowl contending team now than I did before,
because I was worried about how would they compete against
the best of the best, And they show they can
play on the same.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Field and listen, at the end of the day, if
the Rams do end up winning the division and if
we do end up as the five seed, and this
is the difference between that was Jason Myers missing the
sixty one yarder. I'm kind of going to go in
and saying, all right, great, but this team's unbeatable on
the road, so good luck.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So it's kind of not there's not a downside to yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Look, if you look at it either way, well, the
only downsides would be that this is another example for
all the geno whites out there, right, and they would
crown last night year from Jackson Bevans. By the way,
I'm sure you are. I was. I was on his
podcast last week, so we should have had this week.
But against Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Slam fans are literally rooting that Sam Donald fails.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I think a lot of people root for things to
make them look right, and if it hurts them because
they don't want to be they would rather admit to
being wrong than it not admit to being wrong that
have something hurt their cause. And I think of that
exists in politics and sports, anything. It exists all over
the place. But you mentioned out playing the Rams. I
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mean they outgained them four and fourteen to two forty nine.
Part of that was some of the short fields the
Rams had. Obviously after turnovers they had, could they go
long field against the staff? They only they had the
ball at the sea Hawk three after a pick that
led to a touchdown. They had the ball the Seahawk
twenty five after a pick that led to a touchdown,
and the ball to the Seahawk forty nine after a
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pick that led to a punt. The second pick led
to a fumble by Kobe Bryant punching that ball away
from Pukinakua, which was a phenomenal play. But yeah, I
mean when you're when you're picking up points and not
having to do anything to deserve it, it kind of
reminded me, honestly. Last night's game was like a hybrid
of the Husky Rutgers game in the Husky Wisconsin game.
That's what me off because U Doub went to Rutgers
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a year and a half ago and kicked the piss
out of Rutgers but just gave the game away. And
then two weeks ago in Madison they went out there,
they didn't dominate them, but they gave them everything. They
got everything they got, And my god, the one negative
to yesterday, Jackson, you mentioned the negatives.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm kind of tired of watching my teams do that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Can we just lose a normal game? How someone just
beat us straight up?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I know?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And you know the game that actually came to mind
for me was Michigan because your quarterback gave the game away.
The rest of the team played really well, and your
quarterback gave the game away against Michigan with his turnovers,
just like Sam Donald did.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, well, I think for me, there's a couple of things.
I think we're sitting here and you're seven and three.
You've had the buy. So it's going into week twelve?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Is that correct? Of the NFL season?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You're going into week twelve and you still really can't
run the ball with any real consistency. I mean, and
the Rams knew that. I thought the way they played defense,
they knew it. They were kind of baiting and goating
Sam Donald in to make mistakes. They got to find
some kind of a and I'm kind of starting to
agree with Millan. I don't know if they'll be able
to do it in time. I think we're kind of
getting to that right up against the precipice of they.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Are what they are at this point. Now.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, for sure, And we'll hear more from McDonald today
and find out. It looks promising, but we'll find out
for sure if he plays.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I thought, I don't know about you, guys.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I thought the final drive of the game for the Hawks,
I thought there was another maybe play or two in
that final drive that maybe could have gotten them another
ten to fifteen yards and maybe given Jason Myers a
little bit of a better shot. I mean, there's two plays.
The first down play from the one yard line, the
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play to Barnard to the sideline where they had a problem.
If you go back and look at it, on the
left side of the play, Darnold's gotta stop and he's
got to look at Rashid Shaheed and move him back
because he's not lined up properly, because he just got
here right. And there's reasons again again, there's reasons for that.
When you go out and just acquire a guy, that
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stuff's gonna happen. So he had to stop and get
Rashid Shih he'd lined up properly, and then the third
and sixth play from the eighteen that went to Jackson
Smith and Jigba. I thought they really kind of took
a few extra seconds, maybe too long to get that
ball off. Even Greg Olsen was getting kind of irritated
on TV. I don't think the entire drive, Dick. I
think there's just maybe those two plays on that drive
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where I just I just wonder if they had gotten
a little bit quicker, and maybe if Rashid Shiheed had
been lined up properly, was there time for maybe one,
maybe two more plays that could have gotten them a
little bit closer.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean, for me, I just think there's a balance
between being hurried and being rushed, right, There's a difference
between being hurting and being rushed. And you have two
coaches and Mike McDonald and Clint Kubiak that looked like
their blood pressure is constantly one ten over sixty.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, they are always.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Just no hurry, no rush, no emotion, and that translates
into the offense. And I think it's good most of
the time because then your offense is really taking the
time to make sure they don't have false starts, make
sure they don't have legal procedures, don't have guys lining
up in the wrong spot, don't take sacks because you're
rushed too much to identify which pass rushers coming through
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which gaps.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So usually I think it's good. But to your point in.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
That situation, yes, I thought they should have used the
time out earlier. Actually I thought they wasted a lot
of time. There was a couple times when they caught
the ball over the middle on that last drive where
I was like, just use it here, just use it here, reset,
get set.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Up, and they didn't. But they ended up with that
one time out with one second left, but it was
a little too far away.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, they had the For example, that third and six
play to Jackson spent that jigma. If I have my
numbers properly, and by the way, I can't even read
my own damn writing, that previous play stopped at thirty
six seconds. They took fourteen seconds to snap the ballot
fourteen for the next play. So that third and six
play before the first and ten play to Jackson spent
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then jigma and then the PI call that got called
that actually was enforced on the rams. There was a
PI call on the previous play on was it Forbes
that wasn't called where he's grabbing Jackson Smith and Jig
but then the left sideline and we thought maybe it
was a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Makeup call on the very next play.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But I thought there were two consecutive plays where the
rams could have easily been flatted well.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
And really quick, that the first one would have just
been defensive holding, right because.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It was before the one.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You never know, Yeah, I mean that's probably right, but
you never know what these knuckleheads would call right well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And also I'm thinking if if Sam Darnold's looking at
js and on that play that didn't get called, that
could have been a touchdown, right because he double moved
him to death and was going to torch him down
the left side line.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
The other the other thing that we should talk to
Millan about when he comes on at four o'clock. And
you actually noticed this, we're sitting the sports pit watch
in the last drive to day. First of all, the
Rashid Shaheed play where they barely got it off, they
barely got it under the window to call the time
out kind of remind you of what the Will Howard play,
right you said against the against the Oregon Ohio State
a year ago regular season. Yeah, they were this close,
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this close to not getting that field goal off. They
would have taken heat from everybody. Players and coaches would
have been crushed for that. By the way, Darnold hitches
twice before he goes to Rashid Shahed. He's not even
looking there originally, And if he gets to him maybe
maybe a second earlier or a couple seconds earlier, or
goes there first, he may have picked up an extra
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five or six yards before that field goal if he
wanted to run.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I think he may have been a little bit scared
to try to do to the clock. God, it seemed
to me like the clock operator worked at Lumen Field, right.
I mean that was the quickest stoppage after that catch
in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Man.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, thanks to the takes to the guys that does
at us so far, I.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Think I think we've learned a couple of things about
this defense that we can are this football team, that
we can just kind of bank. The defense is dynamite defense,
is really really good. Defense, is elite. Defense. Is going
to keep them in every freaking game they've played, and
they will keep them in every game they've played. They've
lost three games this year star by a combined seven points,
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two points to the Rams, three points to Tampa, and
four points to the Niners.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, so this defense is that good.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
They've just picked up where they left off a year
ago after the bye when they went bananas after they
got beat by the Rams and they said enough is enough.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
The defense is elite.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The defense is gonna preclude them, I think, from getting
their ass kicked by anybody. That's number one. Number two,
they got a problem running the ball. Don't know if
they can fix that in time. And number three, whether
we like to admit it or not, and there's nothing
he can do until they play the Rams again. I
think they got the Titans, they got the Vikings, they
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got Atlanta, even Daniel Jones in an AFC game. Until
they play the Rams again on Thursday Night football to
see what he does. Everybody is gonna be circling that game, Dick,
to see how Sam Darnold performs in that game in
the clutch, because they're starting to become this little bit
of a chasm now among Seahawk fans. Were so love
Sam and some think the guy's okay, but he's a
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freaking failure. When the Brights are lightest or the lights
are brightest, and that's the reality.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Of what he's gonna have to deal with until he
changes it.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I just want Sam to have one great game in
those two against San Francisco and LA the next time.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Then the weight.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I don't think we'll be on his shoulders going into
the playoffs if he can just have one game where
they're like, wow, the Seahawks either beat San Francisco or LA,
particularly LA, and Sam is one of the main reasons
why I think that'll take a load up his shoulders.
But you mentioned the close games, and I was thinking
about this. We've compared, the three of us have compared
this team to twenty twelve slash twenty thirteen all the time, right, Yeah,
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And what's the old ad is you don't learn to win.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Close unless you lose close.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Listen to the losses for the Seattle Seahawks in twenty
twelve four six, three, seven, two and then in overtime two.
That's exactly what happened in twenty twelve. They only lost
games by one scored, just like this team, and look
where it where.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Look where they ended up.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, they ended up almost making the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Game and the next year winning the Super Bowl, lost
in overtime.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Man, I mean again, I think what McDonald's done with
this football team and this defense has been unbelievable. And
then Ernest Jones with that money clip about hey, if
you don't if you criticize Sam, then go f yourself.
Do we have that in fun with audio at three
forty five? I mean, look, I know it's fun to
hear guys drop f bombs, you know. I mean to me,
I swear like a sailor. So for me, it's not
a big deal. But I think it's great that he's
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got his back like that, right. I mean, could you
imagine somebody in the Seahawk locker room saying that about
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't remember a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I remember Doug Baldwin after the Packer game going up
to him and grabbing him and saying what a dog
he was and he loves him and all that stuff.
But the fact that Ernest Jones has Sam Darnold's back
like that in public. Look, there there's no infighting here.
There's no finger pointing here with this football team. Man,
So look, you know, whatever, call me a homer called
Dick a Homer, I don't give it, Damn. I feel
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good about this team after what I saw yesterday. I mean,
these are the games that you usually lose. You play
two games against your division rival, you lose there, you
win here. That's kind of the way it's supposed to go.
So now back it up right, back it up by
fixing it and winning on Thursday night.
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Speaker 2 (16:40):
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Speaker 1 (16:41):
Were they twenty one to nineteen loss to the La
Rams yesterday? I got a message from our friend Lindsey Theory,
by the way, who was on the radio show with
us on Friday the rally Fray Girl. She said, by
the way, as far as the crowd and Seahawk fans
in the building, it was hard to tell the split
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with both teams wearing blue, but it was enough, or
both fan bases wearing blue.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Sorry, but it was.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Enough that when any play happened, you did not know
if it was for the Rams or the Hawks because
of all the cheering that was happening in the stadium.
So I think Hawk fans showed up big time yesterday.
But you know, I just I'm just curious to know
what yesterday's game did to people's confidence in Sam Darnald.
I mean, I still think it's a major upgrade over
Genosmith than what they had a year ago. We said
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this last week, two weeks ago, whatever it was, when
we had Jackson Bevans on the radio show. They look, guys,
I guarantee at some point, Sam Darnold's going to have
a turd, And he had a turd yesterday just happened
the game exactly. So when people hear things like that
and you're exactly right, well, hey have a turd, man,
But can you have a turd when like you're turning
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the ball over when you're up thirty one to seven,
like the game against the Commanders for example, right, or
you're turning the ball over when you're in the middle
of kicking the crap out of the New Orleans Saints
Arizona correct, like, we're all kind of oh, that's kind
of cute. It was thirty eight to fifteen and blah
blah blah, which is okay, but that it's not when
it's a tight game. So people will jump on that
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and they will say that there's something wrong with this
guy's metal fortitude, that he can't get it together.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
In big games.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And Dick and his defense, he has not played a
lot of big games right in his NFL career, but
in the last year and a half he's played three
of them and he's been terrible in all three. So
even us who are big believers in Sam and love
the upgrade, if you asked me, do I still have
faith in Sam Donald to win a big game?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Do I have as much faith as I did yesterday
at one o'clock of the afternoon, maybe.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Slightly less.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I was.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I would admit that.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I shouldn't be shocked by this, but I was shocked
at the animosity towards Sam Darnald last night, both on
social media and in my miserable text threads that I'm
involved in.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And I've told you about some of those text threads before.
I swear to God, I think I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I don't know why they like to watch sports when
all they want to do is pick out every negative
play that their team does and never reference anything good
that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Nothing. It's always like I literally set.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
My phone down for one play to go in the
other room, but I still had my watch on and
I felt a text, and I was like, oh crap,
something bad must have happened because I saw it was
from that text thread went back in and rewounded it
was Sam Donald's third interception. I was like, I mean,
I'm just it's literally I had to take I finally
just took my watch off, I put my phone aside.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I was like, I can't take this anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
But the fact that people have just completely ignored what
Sam Donald has done the first two months of the season,
just like they ignored what Sam Donald did the first
fifteen games of last season.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
People only pay attention to Sam Donald when he struggles.
The locals do not give him any credit when he's great.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's like it's like an umpire in baseball or a
referee in basketball or an offensive lineman. You only notice
it when they stink. Hey, look, I understand it because
I think Sam Donald came to town with a bit
of a reputation, a reputation whether fair unfair, as a
guy who could not deliver in the big games of
his NFL career because the last two like the last two, right,
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we're right up against the fact that Sam Darnald became
a free agent and cash in for the first time
in his life, and then people have a really hard
time getting over the previous six seasons up until what
he did last year in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So I understand it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I do think you're right that there are some people
that would rather be right about Sam Darnald and have
it hurt the Seahawks than have the opposite be the
truth and have the guy perform and have to apologize
and say I'm wrong. There's a lot of people already,
including Mina Kimes, including Jackson Bevans, including I think Corbyn Smith.
I haven't heard much from that guy, but I think
he's on the same wagon who were saying, yeah, this
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is I was wrong, because not only is Sam Darnald
overall playing pretty well, but Gino Smith stinks right now
in Vegas. So it's almost a perfect storm for all
the Samets out there. But I also think that a
lot of truths can exist here. And a big truth
is that Sam Donald has had He's played ten games
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this year, right, seven and three?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So his last twelve games the biggest three of those twelve,
he's been terrible. That's the truth. That's a fact. Does
that mean that trend's gonna continue? I don't know, but
that is a fact, gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Before we get to factor fiction, we have Mike McDonald's
speaking and I can share some news on Grey's Zabel. Yes,
from Mike McDonald, we avoided a serious injury.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Grey's Abel is day to day. I love it. I
love it well.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
You saw give him the week off against Tennessee and
Brown Beckett.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
One was a little bit different than the other. But
we saw Rayd and Vines Bright get knocked the hell
out against Perdue on Saturday and Jedfish saying today he
might play on Saturday night versus UCLA, and then Gray's
able limping off the field with all you could almost
feel the Super Bowl and playoff hopes going with him
right like a cloud and now him saying today that
he's going to potentially be okay and his day to
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day that's great news. Great news, man, because god, this
offensive line is so much better with that guy in there.
And speak of speaking of only saying something when a
guy makes a mistake. How many times have you even
heard Gray's Abel's name called this year?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Holding's false starts nothing, ridiculous, crazy, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
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All Right, I had to run some math because anders
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By the way, updated homepage on the show standings for
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So I did it myself. And by the way, I'll
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my contract is it's say I have to do math,
but I did it. Anyway, we are clinging clinging to
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
Come on in factor fixtion.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You know, as a matter of fact, there's only one
show above five hundred right here, twenty six and twenty five,
a five nine win percentage. But breathe them down our
neck at twenty six and twenty seven with a four
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there's Ian Furness eighteen.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And thirty one overall on the air for Ian Furness.
Can we share the Ian Furness?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
He would not like that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
He wouldn't want to like that.
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Speaker 2 (23:58):
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Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, here's what I got, man, I'm looking at a
Kansas City chief football team that's back at home at
Arrowhead Stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
They've lost two in a row.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Anybody want to guess the last time the Chiefs lost
three games in a row?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Anybody? Free Mahomes eighteen.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Twenty seventeen pre Mahomes Alex Smith. They lost three games
in a row, and they have not lost three in
a row since then. The biggest difference between the Chiefs
this year and the Chiefs last year is the one
score games. I think they won twelve one score games
a year ago, and I think they're winless in one
score games this year. It's been the exact opposite. So
I see a desperate Kansas City. Desperate Kansas City team
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that lost to Denver yesterday. I mean, guys, they have
to win against the Colts, and I probably would have
taken them against whoever they were playing on Sunday. By
the way, they're given three and a half at home.
I know it said, you know whatever, the Colts are good.
I know that they're coming off of bye I know that.
But if there's ever a time to just bet Kansas
City and say they're a desperate football team, their playoff
hopes may be on the line this Sunday. They lose
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this game and they might be done. Taking Kansas City
minus the points against the Colts.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And it's just such an up in competition for the
Colts as well. Their last two wins are Tennessee in Atlanta,
and they won against Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh by seven last week.
So I mean, this is just a much tougher cut
of steak here for Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'm with you, and I think Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I was actually hearing today that Kansas City's metrics are
actually better this season than they were last season when
they were the number one overall seed. They're just they
just got all the one the one possession game luck
last year. They're getting none of the one possession left
this year.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
They're own to five, their own five. They were twelve
and oh last year. They're owing to five this year.
They cannot win the one score game. So give us
the Chiefs minus the three and a half at home
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Right now, a little fun with audio and then a
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pm on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
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Before we get the fun with audio slash hate as
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Great news, right that Josh Naeler has been signed to
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Speaker 2 (27:10):
Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick? Did you happen
to hear that? What's that? Dick?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
All right? After the Seahawks two point loss to the
Rams on Sunday yesterday, linebacker Ernest Jones spoke to the
media and defended Sam Darnold after throwing four interceptions.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I mean, Sam's been bothering, right. If we want to
try to define Sam by this game, man, sam'sman had
us in every game. So for him to sit there
and say, oh, that's my fault, no, it's not. It
was plays that defensively, we could have made plays. There
were opportunities where we could have got better stops. Yeah,
I mean, like it's football, man, he's our quarterback. We
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got his back, and you got anything to say.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Quite frankly, Okay, he's thirty direct.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He's talking to my mom there actually, because my really
was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, next time we talked to Ernest Jones, Geraldine Fain,
he has been ripping Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
She was hard on boy Sam. You know what he thinks,
Geraldine f She could right off. I've never told that
to Geraldine fade out, darn T. You might want to.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
You might want to tell her now that Hernad Jones
has a couple of choice words from Mama Fane. Well, look,
I think it's awesome, right, and it's great and we'll
talk to you about this at four o'clock. That I
think if you're Sam Donald, you're embarrassed, you're humiliated, you're
pissed off. I mean, you let the football team down.
I'm certain he feels all those things, and I hope
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he does feel a little bit of motivation too, that
this guy has his back like that. It's not very
often like what was the game? Was it the Bengals game?
Who was the wide receiver or whatever came out and
ripped the defense? Remember that a couple of weeks ago,
Chase Brown came out and just.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Barbecued the defense. This is like the exact.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Opposite of that, stepping up for their guys. I mean,
you got to take some confidence from that, don't you. Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I love it, and I just think they they would
want to play if they had a game today. This
might this might have been a good week to have
a short week plan on a Thursday, they're going to
go to Tennessee and just smack the Jesus game.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I want to go find Ernest Jones. I want to
tell him quiet gone by that Sorry, Hey, you know what,
Believe it or not, people actually hear this show?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think it's us talking a low fuel audio slash
hated you hear that?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that? What that?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Broncos came back to meet the Chiefs yesterday with a
game winning field goals time expired after the game. Denver
tight end Adam Truppman fired back at online critics of
his quarterback bow knicks.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
First off, if you're about online, you're a coward, absolute coward.
But I just want to say that proud and guard
him a little bit, But I mean it says a lot.
You know, he he blanks it out and we talked
about it this week. You know, we don't care what
other people think. We know what we have in the
building and we know what he's made of, and we
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don't really care what people have to say. So dragon
Slayer sixty nine with a seven eleven slurpy in his
mom's basement, I don't give it what yes to say, right,
and it doesn't either.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
So yeah, dragon Slayer sixty nine. You know what a
dragon slayer is? By the way, no, you don't know
what a dragon slayer is.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I know in a very different context than you know it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
To go ahead, do you know what in the nerd world? Right,
we're in a dragon slayer and the survivor context?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And maybe it's just me. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But every now and then you get a big one
at the pool, Ellie, you leave a big one behind?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What at the pool? That's a dragon a dragon slayer?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
What?
Speaker 8 (30:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, they're like foot and a half long. Oh yeah, huge?
Where did you leave it?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm not in the pool, Okay. I was just thinking,
like baby Ruth, I'm talking poop Dick.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I know, I know that's how I feel that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I had visions of that fishing it out. That's a
dragon slayer man. Oh yeah. Well, anyway, back to the
comment in hand.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Second straight clip, We've heard a guy defend his quarterback
and I think got him.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Tropman's full of.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It though when he says we don't care what you think,
Clearly you do care because you just went nuts and
lost your mind, and clearly you do see all that.
And that's fine. I got no problem with that. Go
out and seek it out and then defend the guy.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
So look, man, I I kind of like BONICKX, to
be honest with you. I don't know if I'd like
him as much if he had beaten the Huskies in
the twenty twenty three PAC twelve Championship game. I thought,
after they lost here in Seattle, what he said to
his team to kind of get those guys going. I
appreciated that. I appreciate his competitiveness, his toughness. I mean,
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look at the guy. He doesn't exactly look like he's
dripping with athleticism, does he.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yet he's kind of a winner. So I kind of
low key like Bonnicks a little bit.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I'm with you, just because every time I see Bonnicks,
I see him sitting basically crying on the sideline with
an Oregon Duck jersey on after Michael Pennix just ripped
his heart out with his.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Towelover his head with a towelovers yea.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
And so it's weird because if it was the opposite
and for some reason, bon Nicks would have beaten us,
but we still made the National Championship Game, and we
would have beaten JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I probably would like JJ a lot better than I
like Bonick. Well, the bon Knicks.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
The scene you're talking about is when Dylan Johnson had
that scamper on third down whatever it was to beat Oregon,
and he's watching on the jembotron in Vegas and he
sees it and just oh, he just realizes it's over.
We're not going to win. So yeah, I mean those
are two fricking battles man with that guy, no doubt. Hey,
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Where can anybody confirm or deny this story? Please, there's
a report coming in that Sam Donald has just thrown
another pick. Come on, is that accurate?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean, look after that performance by him yesterday, and
I'm just talking about the performance by him, I hope
he can wake up and just laugh it off and
just move on because that was terrible, right, I mean,
there's no.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Other way around it.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I got a fundamental rule guys that when you throw
four interceptions in a football game, you're pretty much stunk.
And Sam Donald pretty much stunk in that game yesterday.
It was the third time in his career he's had
a four interception game. The other two times happened with
happened with the Jets. Russell correct the New York Jets.
My cousin Evan texted me yesterday and said, that's the
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same I know from his days back with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
He's now one an eight when he throws three pricks
or more.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And I tweeted this out when the game was over,
that when Jason Myers missed that sixty one yardfield goal,
which by the.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Way, I realized at sixty one, not fifty one.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I also think and you guys may agree or disagree
that sixty one today is not what sixty one was
ten years ago. Those guy's hitting bombs all over the
place now in the NFL, can we have gotten maybe
a little bit of a better effort from Jason Myers?
I mean, he looked like me on the fifte of
Meridian Valley, just shoving my drive right into the woods
eighty five yards off the fairway.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That thing wasn't even close.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Man, I expected after seeing what he did at the
end of the first half, Yes, I at least expected
the football to get the requisite distance.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Not only was it why to the right by five yards,
results it also hit the middle of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, I think I think two things.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I think it was almost appropriate that they lost the game,
because it's like, if you're cashing in a four interception
game for a win with the football gods, like, what
are you agreeing to?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What are you agreeing to?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And if we've only got one ticket to burn, one
golden ticket to burn, one token to burn with the
football gods, and we burned it yesterday and beat the
Rams on a four pick game by our starting quarterback,
are they going to reach it and pull our guts
out again in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Maybe.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Frankly, I thought we already lucked into that with the
NFC Championship rights defade ago.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We've done that, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It just kind of feels like we got one banked.
We got one bank that we did not use. We decided,
you know, maybe subconsciously to not use it yesterday on
the Ram win. But it felt appropriate that the Rams
will win that game. There is an alternate universe where
I think Number one, the Rams lose the game, and
I think that they're humiliated by what happened yesterday. Right
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if the Rams had lost that game, Guys, after picking
Sam Darnold off four times, that is a humiliating loss
for LA number one of the number two, you think,
oh my god, they didn't even play remotely their best
football and they just beat maybe what we thought was
the best team in the NFC in their stadium, in
the Rams. I mean, that would have been like, are
you kidding me? They can show up with one hand
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tied behind their back and they can throw four picks
and still win a game against the Rams. So I
don't know. I mean, look, guys, I want to go
on the air here. I went to talk about darnld
second and I texted you yesterday. I put it on
Twitter last night. Did you see my tweet, by the way, yes,
that I want to be pissed off. I want to
rip Donald apart. I want to say, what are you doing?
Don't be an idiot? Stop throwing four interceptions. I mean,
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you go back and look at like the last three
big games that Sam Darnold's played, which is the line
game that was for the NFC Nord Championship right nick
when he was in Minnesota, the RAM game, in the.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Playoff game, in the RAM game last night.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Those are like the three biggest games he's played in
the last year. And he's got six turnovers combined in
the three games, six of them. He's been terrible in.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Those three games.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So this little thing that's building that we talked about
last week, it's only going to get louder and louder, unfortunately,
until Sam Donald goes out there and wins a big
game and he does it on his shoulders, or at
least minimum doesn't give it up the way he did
in some ways yesterday. But God, he threw four picks
and they were a sixty one yard field goal away
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from winning that thing. After basically, I think shutting down
the league's best offense for four quarters, I feel good.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Why do I feel good? I'm not supposed to feel good,
but I feel good.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh. I think you can feel good after losses, absolutely,
And this is the exact type of loss I think
you feel good about. I remember, we talked this last
week about a couple of things, and one thing that
I was worried about was, Okay, how will the Seahawks
match up against a truly Super Bowl caliber team?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right? And they matched up very, very favorably.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
In fact, other than the four interceptions, the rest of
the team dominated the Los Angeles Rams in every.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Sense of the word.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Dominated a team that is now plus five point fifty
to win the Super Bowl. The Rams are the number
one team in Vegas to win the right win the
Super Bowl. We went down there and dominated them, but
handed them the football four.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Times, allowing them to win by two points.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So I feel more confident that the Seahawks could be
a deep Super Bowl contending team now than I did before,
because I was worried about how would they compete against
the best of the best, And they show they can
play on the same.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Field and listen, at the end of the day, if
the Rams do end up winning the division and if
we do end up as the five seed, and this
is the difference between that was Jason Myers missing the
sixty one yarder. I'm kind of going to go in
and saying, all right, great, but this team's unbeatable on
the road, so good luck.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So it's kind of not there's not a downside to yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Look, if you look at it either way, well, the
only downsides would be that this is another example for
all the geno whites out there, right, and they would
crown last night year from Jackson Bevans. By the way,
I'm sure you are. I was. I was on his
podcast last week, so we should have had this week.
But against Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Slam fans are literally rooting that Sam Donald fails.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I think a lot of people root for things to
make them look right, and if it hurts them because
they don't want to be they would rather admit to
being wrong than it not admit to being wrong that
have something hurt their cause. And I think of that
exists in politics and sports, anything. It exists all over
the place. But you mentioned out playing the Rams. I
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mean they outgained them four and fourteen to two forty nine.
Part of that was some of the short fields the
Rams had. Obviously after turnovers they had, could they go
long field against the staff? They only they had the
ball at the sea Hawk three after a pick that
led to a touchdown. They had the ball the Seahawk
twenty five after a pick that led to a touchdown,
and the ball to the Seahawk forty nine after a
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pick that led to a punt. The second pick led
to a fumble by Kobe Bryant punching that ball away
from Pukinakua, which was a phenomenal play. But yeah, I
mean when you're when you're picking up points and not
having to do anything to deserve it, it kind of
reminded me, honestly. Last night's game was like a hybrid
of the Husky Rutgers game in the Husky Wisconsin game.
That's what me off because U Doub went to Rutgers
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a year and a half ago and kicked the piss
out of Rutgers but just gave the game away. And
then two weeks ago in Madison they went out there,
they didn't dominate them, but they gave them everything. They
got everything they got, And my god, the one negative
to yesterday, Jackson, you mentioned the negatives.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm kind of tired of watching my teams do that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Can we just lose a normal game? How someone just
beat us straight up?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I know?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And you know the game that actually came to mind
for me was Michigan because your quarterback gave the game away.
The rest of the team played really well, and your
quarterback gave the game away against Michigan with his turnovers,
just like Sam Donald did.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, well, I think for me, there's a couple of things.
I think we're sitting here and you're seven and three.
You've had the buy. So it's going into week twelve?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Is that correct? Of the NFL season?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You're going into week twelve and you still really can't
run the ball with any real consistency. I mean, and
the Rams knew that. I thought the way they played defense,
they knew it. They were kind of baiting and goating
Sam Donald in to make mistakes. They got to find
some kind of a and I'm kind of starting to
agree with Millan. I don't know if they'll be able
to do it in time. I think we're kind of
getting to that right up against the precipice of they.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Are what they are at this point. Now.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, for sure, And we'll hear more from McDonald today
and find out. It looks promising, but we'll find out
for sure if he plays.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I thought, I don't know about you, guys.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I thought the final drive of the game for the Hawks,
I thought there was another maybe play or two in
that final drive that maybe could have gotten them another
ten to fifteen yards and maybe given Jason Myers a
little bit of a better shot. I mean, there's two plays.
The first down play from the one yard line, the
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play to Barnard to the sideline where they had a problem.
If you go back and look at it, on the
left side of the play, Darnold's gotta stop and he's
got to look at Rashid Shaheed and move him back
because he's not lined up properly, because he just got
here right. And there's reasons again again, there's reasons for that.
When you go out and just acquire a guy, that
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stuff's gonna happen. So he had to stop and get
Rashid Shih he'd lined up properly, and then the third
and sixth play from the eighteen that went to Jackson
Smith and Jigba. I thought they really kind of took
a few extra seconds, maybe too long to get that
ball off. Even Greg Olsen was getting kind of irritated
on TV. I don't think the entire drive, Dick. I
think there's just maybe those two plays on that drive
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where I just I just wonder if they had gotten
a little bit quicker, and maybe if Rashid Shiheed had
been lined up properly, was there time for maybe one,
maybe two more plays that could have gotten them a
little bit closer.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean, for me, I just think there's a balance
between being hurried and being rushed, right, There's a difference
between being hurting and being rushed. And you have two
coaches and Mike McDonald and Clint Kubiak that looked like
their blood pressure is constantly one ten over sixty.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, they are always.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Just no hurry, no rush, no emotion, and that translates
into the offense. And I think it's good most of
the time because then your offense is really taking the
time to make sure they don't have false starts, make
sure they don't have legal procedures, don't have guys lining
up in the wrong spot, don't take sacks because you're
rushed too much to identify which pass rushers coming through
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which gaps.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So usually I think it's good. But to your point in.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
That situation, yes, I thought they should have used the
time out earlier. Actually I thought they wasted a lot
of time. There was a couple times when they caught
the ball over the middle on that last drive where
I was like, just use it here, just use it here, reset,
get set.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Up, and they didn't. But they ended up with that
one time out with one second left, but it was
a little too far away.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, they had the For example, that third and six
play to Jackson spent that jigma. If I have my
numbers properly, and by the way, I can't even read
my own damn writing, that previous play stopped at thirty
six seconds. They took fourteen seconds to snap the ballot
fourteen for the next play. So that third and six
play before the first and ten play to Jackson spent
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then jigma and then the PI call that got called
that actually was enforced on the rams. There was a
PI call on the previous play on was it Forbes
that wasn't called where he's grabbing Jackson Smith and Jig
but then the left sideline and we thought maybe it
was a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Makeup call on the very next play.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But I thought there were two consecutive plays where the
rams could have easily been flatted well.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
And really quick, that the first one would have just
been defensive holding, right because.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It was before the one.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You never know, Yeah, I mean that's probably right, but
you never know what these knuckleheads would call right well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And also I'm thinking if if Sam Darnold's looking at
js and on that play that didn't get called, that
could have been a touchdown, right because he double moved
him to death and was going to torch him down
the left side line.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
The other the other thing that we should talk to
Millan about when he comes on at four o'clock. And
you actually noticed this, we're sitting the sports pit watch
in the last drive to day. First of all, the
Rashid Shaheed play where they barely got it off, they
barely got it under the window to call the time
out kind of remind you of what the Will Howard play,
right you said against the against the Oregon Ohio State
a year ago regular season. Yeah, they were this close,
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this close to not getting that field goal off. They
would have taken heat from everybody. Players and coaches would
have been crushed for that. By the way, Darnold hitches
twice before he goes to Rashid Shahed. He's not even
looking there originally, And if he gets to him maybe
maybe a second earlier or a couple seconds earlier, or
goes there first, he may have picked up an extra
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five or six yards before that field goal if he
wanted to run.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I think he may have been a little bit scared
to try to do to the clock. God, it seemed
to me like the clock operator worked at Lumen Field, right.
I mean that was the quickest stoppage after that catch
in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Man.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, thanks to the takes to the guys that does
at us so far, I.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Think I think we've learned a couple of things about
this defense that we can are this football team, that
we can just kind of bank. The defense is dynamite defense,
is really really good. Defense, is elite. Defense. Is going
to keep them in every freaking game they've played, and
they will keep them in every game they've played. They've
lost three games this year star by a combined seven points,
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two points to the Rams, three points to Tampa, and
four points to the Niners.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, so this defense is that good.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
They've just picked up where they left off a year
ago after the bye when they went bananas after they
got beat by the Rams and they said enough is enough.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
The defense is elite.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The defense is gonna preclude them, I think, from getting
their ass kicked by anybody. That's number one. Number two,
they got a problem running the ball. Don't know if
they can fix that in time. And number three, whether
we like to admit it or not, and there's nothing
he can do until they play the Rams again. I
think they got the Titans, they got the Vikings, they
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got Atlanta, even Daniel Jones in an AFC game. Until
they play the Rams again on Thursday Night football to
see what he does. Everybody is gonna be circling that game, Dick,
to see how Sam Darnold performs in that game in
the clutch, because they're starting to become this little bit
of a chasm now among Seahawk fans. Were so love
Sam and some think the guy's okay, but he's a
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freaking failure. When the Brights are lightest or the lights
are brightest, and that's the reality.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Of what he's gonna have to deal with until he
changes it.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I just want Sam to have one great game in
those two against San Francisco and LA the next time.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Then the weight.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I don't think we'll be on his shoulders going into
the playoffs if he can just have one game where
they're like, wow, the Seahawks either beat San Francisco or LA,
particularly LA, and Sam is one of the main reasons
why I think that'll take a load up his shoulders.
But you mentioned the close games, and I was thinking
about this. We've compared, the three of us have compared
this team to twenty twelve slash twenty thirteen all the time, right, Yeah,
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And what's the old ad is you don't learn to win.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Close unless you lose close.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Listen to the losses for the Seattle Seahawks in twenty
twelve four six, three, seven, two and then in overtime two.
That's exactly what happened in twenty twelve. They only lost
games by one scored, just like this team, and look
where it where.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Look where they ended up.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, they ended up almost making the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Game and the next year winning the Super Bowl, lost
in overtime.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Man, I mean again, I think what McDonald's done with
this football team and this defense has been unbelievable. And
then Ernest Jones with that money clip about hey, if
you don't if you criticize Sam, then go f yourself.
Do we have that in fun with audio at three
forty five? I mean, look, I know it's fun to
hear guys drop f bombs, you know. I mean to me,
I swear like a sailor. So for me, it's not
a big deal. But I think it's great that he's
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got his back like that, right. I mean, could you
imagine somebody in the Seahawk locker room saying that about
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't remember a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I remember Doug Baldwin after the Packer game going up
to him and grabbing him and saying what a dog
he was and he loves him and all that stuff.
But the fact that Ernest Jones has Sam Darnold's back
like that in public. Look, there there's no infighting here.
There's no finger pointing here with this football team. Man,
So look, you know, whatever, call me a homer called
Dick a Homer, I don't give it, Damn. I feel
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good about this team after what I saw yesterday. I mean,
these are the games that you usually lose. You play
two games against your division rival, you lose there, you
win here. That's kind of the way it's supposed to go.
So now back it up right, back it up by
fixing it and winning on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
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Speaker 2 (16:40):
I row, We're back Seahawks?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Were they twenty one to nineteen loss to the La
Rams yesterday? I got a message from our friend Lindsey Theory,
by the way, who was on the radio show with
us on Friday the rally Fray Girl. She said, by
the way, as far as the crowd and Seahawk fans
in the building, it was hard to tell the split
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with both teams wearing blue, but it was enough, or
both fan bases wearing blue.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Sorry, but it was.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Enough that when any play happened, you did not know
if it was for the Rams or the Hawks because
of all the cheering that was happening in the stadium.
So I think Hawk fans showed up big time yesterday.
But you know, I just I'm just curious to know
what yesterday's game did to people's confidence in Sam Darnald.
I mean, I still think it's a major upgrade over
Genosmith than what they had a year ago. We said
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this last week, two weeks ago, whatever it was, when
we had Jackson Bevans on the radio show. They look, guys,
I guarantee at some point, Sam Darnold's going to have
a turd, And he had a turd yesterday just happened
the game exactly. So when people hear things like that
and you're exactly right, well, hey have a turd, man,
But can you have a turd when like you're turning
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the ball over when you're up thirty one to seven,
like the game against the Commanders for example, right, or
you're turning the ball over when you're in the middle
of kicking the crap out of the New Orleans Saints
Arizona correct, like, we're all kind of oh, that's kind
of cute. It was thirty eight to fifteen and blah
blah blah, which is okay, but that it's not when
it's a tight game. So people will jump on that
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and they will say that there's something wrong with this
guy's metal fortitude, that he can't get it together.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
In big games.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And Dick and his defense, he has not played a
lot of big games right in his NFL career, but
in the last year and a half he's played three
of them and he's been terrible in all three. So
even us who are big believers in Sam and love
the upgrade, if you asked me, do I still have
faith in Sam Donald to win a big game?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Do I have as much faith as I did yesterday
at one o'clock of the afternoon, maybe.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Slightly less.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I was.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I would admit that.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I shouldn't be shocked by this, but I was shocked
at the animosity towards Sam Darnald last night, both on
social media and in my miserable text threads that I'm
involved in.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And I've told you about some of those text threads before.
I swear to God, I think I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I don't know why they like to watch sports when
all they want to do is pick out every negative
play that their team does and never reference anything good
that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Nothing. It's always like I literally set.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
My phone down for one play to go in the
other room, but I still had my watch on and
I felt a text, and I was like, oh crap,
something bad must have happened because I saw it was
from that text thread went back in and rewounded it
was Sam Donald's third interception. I was like, I mean,
I'm just it's literally I had to take I finally
just took my watch off, I put my phone aside.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I was like, I can't take this anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
But the fact that people have just completely ignored what
Sam Donald has done the first two months of the season,
just like they ignored what Sam Donald did the first
fifteen games of last season.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
People only pay attention to Sam Donald when he struggles.
The locals do not give him any credit when he's great.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's like it's like an umpire in baseball or a
referee in basketball or an offensive lineman. You only notice
it when they stink. Hey, look, I understand it because
I think Sam Donald came to town with a bit
of a reputation, a reputation whether fair unfair, as a
guy who could not deliver in the big games of
his NFL career because the last two like the last two, right,
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we're right up against the fact that Sam Darnald became
a free agent and cash in for the first time
in his life, and then people have a really hard
time getting over the previous six seasons up until what
he did last year in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So I understand it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I do think you're right that there are some people
that would rather be right about Sam Darnald and have
it hurt the Seahawks than have the opposite be the
truth and have the guy perform and have to apologize
and say I'm wrong. There's a lot of people already,
including Mina Kimes, including Jackson Bevans, including I think Corbyn Smith.
I haven't heard much from that guy, but I think
he's on the same wagon who were saying, yeah, this
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is I was wrong, because not only is Sam Darnald
overall playing pretty well, but Gino Smith stinks right now
in Vegas. So it's almost a perfect storm for all
the Samets out there. But I also think that a
lot of truths can exist here. And a big truth
is that Sam Donald has had He's played ten games
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this year, right, seven and three?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So his last twelve games the biggest three of those twelve,
he's been terrible. That's the truth. That's a fact. Does
that mean that trend's gonna continue? I don't know, but
that is a fact, gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Before we get to factor fiction, we have Mike McDonald's
speaking and I can share some news on Grey's Zabel. Yes,
from Mike McDonald, we avoided a serious injury.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Grey's Abel is day to day. I love it. I
love it well.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
You saw give him the week off against Tennessee and
Brown Beckett.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
One was a little bit different than the other. But
we saw Rayd and Vines Bright get knocked the hell
out against Perdue on Saturday and Jedfish saying today he
might play on Saturday night versus UCLA, and then Gray's
able limping off the field with all you could almost
feel the Super Bowl and playoff hopes going with him
right like a cloud and now him saying today that
he's going to potentially be okay and his day to
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day that's great news. Great news, man, because god, this
offensive line is so much better with that guy in there.
And speak of speaking of only saying something when a
guy makes a mistake. How many times have you even
heard Gray's Abel's name called this year?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Holding's false starts nothing, ridiculous, crazy, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
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Speaker 1 (22:53):
All Right, I had to run some math because anders
anders is slacking a little bit with the Factor Fiction.
By the way, updated homepage on the show standings for
the week. He has not gotten us through week eleven.
So I did it myself. And by the way, I'll
be totally honest with both of you guys. Nowhere in
my contract is it's say I have to do math,
but I did it. Anyway, we are clinging clinging to
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the slightest of leads.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Come on in factor fixtion.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You know, as a matter of fact, there's only one
show above five hundred right here, twenty six and twenty five,
a five nine win percentage. But breathe them down our
neck at twenty six and twenty seven with a four
to ninety winning percentage, Chuck and Buck behind him MJ
in the midday twenty five and twenty nine, and then
there's Ian Furness eighteen.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And thirty one overall on the air for Ian Furness.
Can we share the Ian Furness?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
He would not like that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
He wouldn't want to like that.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, if you can clear it with him, great, But
I'm scured I don't want to go down there, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
We won't share it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, here's what I got, man, I'm looking at a
Kansas City chief football team that's back at home at
Arrowhead Stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
They've lost two in a row.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Anybody want to guess the last time the Chiefs lost
three games in a row?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Anybody? Free Mahomes eighteen.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Twenty seventeen pre Mahomes Alex Smith. They lost three games
in a row, and they have not lost three in
a row since then. The biggest difference between the Chiefs
this year and the Chiefs last year is the one
score games. I think they won twelve one score games
a year ago, and I think they're winless in one
score games this year. It's been the exact opposite. So
I see a desperate Kansas City. Desperate Kansas City team
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that lost to Denver yesterday. I mean, guys, they have
to win against the Colts, and I probably would have
taken them against whoever they were playing on Sunday. By
the way, they're given three and a half at home.
I know it said, you know whatever, the Colts are good.
I know that they're coming off of bye I know that.
But if there's ever a time to just bet Kansas
City and say they're a desperate football team, their playoff
hopes may be on the line this Sunday. They lose
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this game and they might be done. Taking Kansas City
minus the points against the Colts.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And it's just such an up in competition for the
Colts as well. Their last two wins are Tennessee in Atlanta,
and they won against Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh by seven last week.
So I mean, this is just a much tougher cut
of steak here for Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'm with you, and I think Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I was actually hearing today that Kansas City's metrics are
actually better this season than they were last season when
they were the number one overall seed. They're just they
just got all the one the one possession game luck
last year. They're getting none of the one possession left
this year.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
They're own to five, their own five. They were twelve
and oh last year. They're owing to five this year.
They cannot win the one score game. So give us
the Chiefs minus the three and a half at home
against the Colts on Sunday. Fact If you agree, fiction,
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Speaker 2 (26:04):
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Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right now, a little fun with audio and then a
little more for with Hugh Millen coming up at four
pm on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
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Speaker 1 (26:25):
Before we get the fun with audio slash hate as
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Great news, right that Josh Naeler has been signed to
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for fun with audio slash.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick? Did you happen
to hear that? What's that? Dick?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
All right? After the Seahawks two point loss to the
Rams on Sunday yesterday, linebacker Ernest Jones spoke to the
media and defended Sam Darnold after throwing four interceptions.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I mean, Sam's been bothering, right. If we want to
try to define Sam by this game, man, sam'sman had
us in every game. So for him to sit there
and say, oh, that's my fault, no, it's not. It
was plays that defensively, we could have made plays. There
were opportunities where we could have got better stops. Yeah,
I mean, like it's football, man, he's our quarterback. We
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got his back, and you got anything to say.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Quite frankly, Okay, he's thirty direct.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He's talking to my mom there actually, because my really
was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, next time we talked to Ernest Jones, Geraldine Fain,
he has been ripping Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
She was hard on boy Sam. You know what he thinks,
Geraldine f She could right off. I've never told that
to Geraldine fade out, darn T. You might want to.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
You might want to tell her now that Hernad Jones
has a couple of choice words from Mama Fane. Well, look,
I think it's awesome, right, and it's great and we'll
talk to you about this at four o'clock. That I
think if you're Sam Donald, you're embarrassed, you're humiliated, you're
pissed off. I mean, you let the football team down.
I'm certain he feels all those things, and I hope
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he does feel a little bit of motivation too, that
this guy has his back like that. It's not very
often like what was the game? Was it the Bengals game?
Who was the wide receiver or whatever came out and
ripped the defense? Remember that a couple of weeks ago,
Chase Brown came out and just.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Barbecued the defense. This is like the exact.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Opposite of that, stepping up for their guys. I mean,
you got to take some confidence from that, don't you. Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I love it, and I just think they they would
want to play if they had a game today. This
might this might have been a good week to have
a short week plan on a Thursday, they're going to
go to Tennessee and just smack the Jesus game.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I want to go find Ernest Jones. I want to
tell him quiet gone by that Sorry, Hey, you know what,
Believe it or not, people actually hear this show?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think it's us talking a low fuel audio slash
hated you hear that?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that? What that?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Broncos came back to meet the Chiefs yesterday with a
game winning field goals time expired after the game. Denver
tight end Adam Truppman fired back at online critics of
his quarterback bow knicks.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
First off, if you're about online, you're a coward, absolute coward.
But I just want to say that proud and guard
him a little bit, But I mean it says a lot.
You know, he he blanks it out and we talked
about it this week. You know, we don't care what
other people think. We know what we have in the
building and we know what he's made of, and we
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don't really care what people have to say. So dragon
Slayer sixty nine with a seven eleven slurpy in his
mom's basement, I don't give it what yes to say, right,
and it doesn't either.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
So yeah, dragon Slayer sixty nine. You know what a
dragon slayer is? By the way, no, you don't know
what a dragon slayer is.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I know in a very different context than you know it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
To go ahead, do you know what in the nerd world? Right,
we're in a dragon slayer and the survivor context?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And maybe it's just me. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But every now and then you get a big one
at the pool, Ellie, you leave a big one behind?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What at the pool? That's a dragon a dragon slayer?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
What?
Speaker 8 (30:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, they're like foot and a half long. Oh yeah, huge?
Where did you leave it?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm not in the pool, Okay. I was just thinking,
like baby Ruth, I'm talking poop Dick.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I know, I know that's how I feel that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I had visions of that fishing it out. That's a
dragon slayer man. Oh yeah. Well, anyway, back to the
comment in hand.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Second straight clip, We've heard a guy defend his quarterback
and I think got him.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Tropman's full of.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It though when he says we don't care what you think,
Clearly you do care because you just went nuts and
lost your mind, and clearly you do see all that.
And that's fine. I got no problem with that. Go
out and seek it out and then defend the guy.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
So look, man, I I kind of like BONICKX, to
be honest with you. I don't know if I'd like
him as much if he had beaten the Huskies in
the twenty twenty three PAC twelve Championship game. I thought,
after they lost here in Seattle, what he said to
his team to kind of get those guys going. I
appreciated that. I appreciate his competitiveness, his toughness. I mean,
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look at the guy. He doesn't exactly look like he's
dripping with athleticism, does he.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yet he's kind of a winner. So I kind of
low key like Bonnicks a little bit.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I'm with you, just because every time I see Bonnicks,
I see him sitting basically crying on the sideline with
an Oregon Duck jersey on after Michael Pennix just ripped
his heart out with his.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Towelover his head with a towelovers yea.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
And so it's weird because if it was the opposite
and for some reason, bon Nicks would have beaten us,
but we still made the National Championship Game, and we
would have beaten JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I probably would like JJ a lot better than I
like Bonick. Well, the bon Knicks.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
The scene you're talking about is when Dylan Johnson had
that scamper on third down whatever it was to beat Oregon,
and he's watching on the jembotron in Vegas and he
sees it and just oh, he just realizes it's over.
We're not going to win. So yeah, I mean those
are two fricking battles man with that guy, no doubt. Hey,
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
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