Softy & Dick 11-18 Hour 1: M’s, Josh Naylor, FoF, FwA, Jon Wilner

In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain talk about the Mariners bringing back Josh Naylor and what comes next this off-season, hear from Naylor, hit Fact or Fiction and react to Fun with Audio, then talk about UW and college football with Jon Wilner.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, here's what we got. We got cracking tonight coming
up pregame three thirty, face off four o'clock from Detroit.
The Mariners did have their press conference today with Josh Naylor.
I'm hearing a lot of people, some people on this
very radio station, as a matter of fact, say the offseason,
no matter what, is a success, and I just don't
agree with that. I don't agree with that. I think

(00:20):
I think when you do a deal this early, for
the team friendly contract that I think the Mariners gave
Josh Naylor, can we agree on that semi team friendly.
I think it was a fair contact. Shouldn't blow their
budget out of water, Like they shouldn't say, all right,
that's it, we're done. We got I think it's good.
I think it was good for Josh Naylor.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
And just like Sam Darnold's deal, that's good for both sides,
for both sides, right, good for both sides. But then
the Seahawks went out and they made some other changes
right to their football team, Like they went out and
they got the Marcus Lawrence and free agency and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We can argue his impact and all that. Blah blah
blah certainly had a great impact couple weeks ago and
against Carroll two touchdowns, right, But things like that, right?
So am I expecting the Mariners to go out and
get Alex Bregman or Kyle Tucker. No, mostly because that's
not how they roll, right. I mean I would love that.
I think it'd be incredible. I think the fan base

(01:11):
should almost demand that they go out and do something
like that, But that's not how this franchise has operated. Look,
I'd love to be shocked by them, Dick. I'd love
to be shocked by them Like I was at the
trade deadline. I didn't even know how to function at
the trade deadline. What what the Mariners went out and
did what we wanted them to do? What? How do
we even respond to that? Right? So I would love

(01:31):
to have that same kind of reaction. But I just
think when you're in this window, and all of us
can agree, they're in a window, right, some kind of
a window, yes, just don't know how big it is
or time whatever, how dirty it is. You know how
thick is the glass? We're talking like a submarine window.
We talking a car window. What kind of wind are
we talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
There is a window, by the way, okay. And so
I think when you have a window sitting there and
saying we are totally one hundred percent okay with Victor Robles,
Sir domkin Zon and right field. We are one hundred
percent totally okay. With Ben Williamson at third base. We
are one hundred percent totally okay with Cole Young at

(02:09):
second base. If Polanco takes off in free agency, we
are totally one hundred percent okay with the exact same
bullpen set up we had a year ago. That's not
a serious franchise when it comes to winning a World Series.
And I think the Mariners are as serious now as
they've ever been in their franchise history. So will they
fix those spots? I don't know. Will they attempt to

(02:30):
fix those spots? They better damn well try to fix
those spots. I just don't think on November the eighteenth,
you can sit here, kick your feet up and say
we're done now Again. The market may beat them out,
Other deals may get you know, nullified, and they may
get beaten by you know, a contract or two down
the road. But I don't think, Dick, I gotta be
honest with you. I know Jerry's on tomorrow with the

(02:52):
Morning Show. I don't think Jerry Depoto if he wakes
up in five months from now and has the exact
same team he has to I don't think he'd be
happy with his offseason. I think he knows, and Justin knows,
and everybody over their nose. They've got some holes that
they've got to at least attempt to fill if they
want to give themselves the best shot.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think there will be nominal additions from now on.
There will be nominal additions, and let's hope they're better
than like like Cooper Humble is not a nominal addition.
That's like a nothing edition, right, I mean, I'm talking
about additions of guys that can actually play at the
major league level.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Ever, the conversation we have with Jerry about Cooper Humble, yeah,
find you bring him in here. He hits lefties. Yeah
he was gone like six weeks later.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
But I will let me ask you this question, Yeah,
how are we ever going to know? Yes, if Ben
Williamson and Cole Young are legitimate starting caliber major league players,
if they're not allowed to start for a major league.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I think you have to as a general manager and
president of baseball operations, forecast that stuff. That's part of
what goes into this meaning. I'm not going to sit
there and just say, you know what, this is a
training ground here, this isn't a training ground. This is
Major League Baseball. You can either play or we either
think you can play or we don't think you can play. Now,
they may look at last year and say, Okay, defensively, great,

(04:14):
find no problem, right, awesome, Ben really good defensively, the
bat leaves a lot to be desired. How easily fixable
are the holes in Ben Williamson's swing? I don't know,
ask Edgar Martinez. Ask Maniac to ask Kevin Seitzer, ask
Dan Wilson. I mean that's kind of part of this, right,
That's why these guys get paid big bucks to figure

(04:35):
this stuff out. I do agree that at some point
there's going to be a hole in your lineup. You
know the old adage, you're only as strong as your
weakest link. I get that. Somewhere on this lineup, somewhere
on this twenty six man roster, there's going to be
a little bit of a hole. And I accept that.
I just think right now they have way too many
holes in their lineup to think they've done everything they

(04:55):
can do to make this a World Series championship team.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
The problem with where we sit right now is that
we know where the payroll sits at this moment, and
we also know that they made the comment that the
payroll for twenty twenty six is going to sit roughly
where it ended last year, which means we're looking at
about a fifteen million dollar gap right now for them
to spend it right, fifteen million dollars. That's not how
much of that fifteen million would go to a Jorge Polanco,

(05:21):
for example, because it ten is almost all fifteen. So
we talk about that number, and we talk about the
holes they have to fill. There's not going to be
that many players that we can fit inside of that
fifteen million dollars.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I would just say this about that number. First of all,
I hate when general managers and presidents say things like
that they did it because you're pigeonholding yourself out.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
First of all, every fan is going to expect you
to at least minimally meet that number. One you want
to go above it. That's great, phenomenal, whatever, But I
don't know what good it does them. Honestly, Jackson and
Dick to come out and say things like that, I
think it come out and you just say, we're going
to make the baseball team better, because that's what you
should be doing to make the baseball team better. And look,

(06:04):
I again, maybe I'm just being a sucker here. I
think they will. I think we're gonna be sitting here
in a couple of months from now, if not even
a month from now, Dick and be Okay, that's progress.
That's a better option than what they had a year ago.
And maybe Roe Bless deserves a break in right field.
He got hurt, he got stuck in the net out
there in San Francisco, he threw his back at a

(06:25):
player in the minor leagues he went to. He just
he freaked out and wasn't able to kind of get
everything going. You know, it was a weird year for him.
Maybe he's a way better player. Maybe Ben Williamson's a
way better hitter than what we saw when he was
up in Seattle. I just think, if you're Jerry and
Justin and John and everybody else involved with making this
baseball team better, you owe it to yourself. You know

(06:45):
it to yourself, and really you owe it to these
guys on the team. Now, you know it to cal Raley,
you know what to Julio Rodriguez, you know what to
Logan Gilbert and Luis Castillo and George Kirby and Andres
Muno's to go out and give them the best chance
to win. And if you're gonna be paying all these guys,
you're gonna pay Josh Naylor, You're gonna pay cal Rowley,
You're gonna pay who you are. Rodriguez, You're gonna make

(07:06):
a trade where you might give up a top prospect
for a veteran. Don't you want to give yourself the
best chance to have all those moves work, and that
means making the baseball team as good as it can be.
So look the options out there. This isn't like it
was two or three years ago when the free agent
market was bananas. But it's not terrible either. No, it's
not terrible.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Is is you hen Asuarez an option one year contract?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
For me?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Not for me? Here's here's the.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Thing to kind of, you know, put together both what
you guys are saying, Is there any reason why we
can take second base and third base? Say let's fill
one of those with a Polonco or an outside free agent,
and then.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Cole Young Williamson, you know what third base.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
You guys compete and the best player gets that spot,
and the competition is just gonna keep going.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Jackson said, I think is what's going to happen, probably exactly.
I think Polanco comes back and a young kid takes third, right,
But then who's the.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
DH, right, Well, that's who the DH go out and
sign somebody I think veteran hitter. I think Polanco down
the road is more of a DH than he is
a second basement. But you know, look, I mean if
you can find a second basement, then make that move happen.
Guys again, you know, at some point, these young guys
got to play, or they got to be traded for
major league ready backs. At some point they can't sit

(08:20):
in the minor leagues forever. And the Mariners have a
embarrassment of riches right in their minor league system to
deal with. But I think it's a great start. Look,
if we're just focusing on today, it's a great start
to get this done before free agency even really starts,
and get this guy locked in and we're not worried
about it, and now you can move on and you
can you know, all the other things that you had
to worry about, all the other shopping, you know, items

(08:43):
on your list. It's like, you know, running into Best
Buy on Black Friday morning and you got ten things
on your list, but the one thing that you need
is that ninety inch TV that's fifty dollars. You better
hustle your ass to the back of the store. They're
tackled on you. You gotta get it, you gotta get it,
and you got it, and you got it. Right now,
we can say, Okay, what else can we do? What
else can we do to make this baseball team better?

(09:06):
Because the more they do in the off season, the
more fired up people get, the more excited people get,
the more tickets they sell, the more chatter they get
on the radio station, and the more money they make,
the more money they make. All of this is about
spending money to make money. So I'm fired up for
Josh Naylor. I think it's a phenomenal fit. I agree
with you. Once he came here and played the way

(09:26):
he did and settled in the way he did at
T Mobile Park, this was a no brainer because you know,
you know the guy can play here. You could not
give that up.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, And I think that this is I think we're
going to see at the end of when when spring
training starts. I think we're going to come to an
agreement that while it wasn't a successful off season, it
also wasn't a failure of season. It's going to be
probably what you had last year in October.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Let's hear a little bit from Josh Naylor today. If
you missed the press conference starting with a question about
his emotions and becoming a very, very very rich man.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Just what were the emotions yesterday when you sat down
to find the god chances to sign that contract?

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Brought back a lot of memories as a kid, my
dad koch Us when we were younger. So brought back
those memories of playing on a field in our hometown
and you know, trying to win a ball game with
your little ten year old friends around the corner. And
then I brought back some memories of playing amateur baseball
with thew Terry Blue Jays, who I was fortunate to

(10:24):
play with, and the national team. I got to travel
around the world with them. Before you know I I
entered Pro Bowl. So just a lot of nostalgia, kind
of a lot of those little young memories and to
get me to this point today. I always tell players
or even like little kids I work with in the
off season, sometimes like play for the kid inside you. You know,

(10:46):
play for that little ten, twelve, eleven year old whoever,
like however old you want to set that number at,
but play for that kid, and always remind that kid
that you know, it's just a game, and you're here
to have fun. You're here to play hard and here
to compete, but it's just a game. It's a little
kids game at the end of the day. So I
always try to talk to like my inner kid in

(11:08):
me and remind myself that it is just a game
and I'm here to have fun, work hard, be a
great teammate, god willing win the game at the end
of the day, knowing sometimes you're gonna lose. But it's
all about that little kid insiety. So Rob back a
lot of cool memories, Josh.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
For a lot of players, free agencies the ultimate dream,
getting the opportunity to test the open market, see what interest.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Is out there. Just what was that process like for you?

Speaker 7 (11:33):
And could you have imagined that you would have such
clarity to want to have a team to want to
come back to you know, just a few short months ago,
given that you weren't here for all that long, but
you know now you're back.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
Yeah, obviously you could have tested the open market. That's
but most of the free agents do. For me, I
think talking to my agent, talking to my family, like,
we knew where we wanted to go, and we got
a deal done and at a fair rate that we wanted.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
And you know, as much.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
As it is, as great as it is to get
the most you can, I am more than comfortable here.
I love this place, I love this fan base, I
love this city, I love my teammates, and I'm super
thankful to be back. We got a fair deal done,
and I'm just grateful. I'm blessed. I'm not very greedy
in that sense. I just want to win baseball games.

(12:25):
I want to win for the city. I felt like
that last loss, you know, not that I had to
come back, but I wanted to come back to give
this fan base and this city and my teammates and
their families of World series in the next five years
or multiple World series or multiple penants, like just the
best thing I could give back. I want to give back.

(12:47):
They deserve it. My teammates deserve it, My family deserves it.
Their families deserve it. The head office and their families
deserve it. All the coaches deserve it. So I just
I had such a blaster. I wanted to run it
back with these guys and do it all again.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
Those fans, they do love you, and it was immediate.
What did that mean to you that as soon as
you got here it was just full support. I've heard
people out and about feel like, oh he's from It
feels like he's from Seattle. So what does it mean
to have that support right away? And continuing here today?

Speaker 6 (13:13):
From the fans they are They're so cool, super supportive
of every in every single way. They they're, like I said,
they ride or die fans. They want to see you win.
And I feel like when we win, we went together
as like the X amount of thousand that are in
the crowd, and then also the twenty six on the field,
the coaching staff that had offic like, we all win together,
which is so cool. But this fan base is absolutely incredible.

(13:36):
I have nothing but great things to say about them,
nothing but love for them. I cherish my shoes and
I think a lot of people know that. But towards
the end of the year, I started to give like
my shoes away to like these little kids, just to
like see them smile and make them happy. And you know,
I hope they appreciate it, and I think they did,
and I just I want to continue to make them smile,
whether it's with my gameplay, whether it's the little gestures

(13:57):
of signing autographs, giving away some some apparel. They're a heartbeat,
really and I love playing for them and you know,
playing with them on the field there, they're really with
us on the field. The energy they bring it helps us,
you know, create runs great kind of chaos on the
base path when you strike a guy out. This whole
place is rock. It is just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
So the Mariners should take a transcript of that press
conference and send it to everybody in their organization, minor leagues, overseas, whatever,
and say that is how you talk to the media.
That is how you talk to the media. Right there,
it reminded me of Felix Ornendez, uh without the emotion obviously,
at the crime where he talked about wanting to win
for the city of Seattle and he was in tears. Guys,

(14:38):
remember that when he signed his extension, his last extension,
because it's not hard, and it really just boggles my
mind for how hard it is for some people to
understand that maybe they're just nervous, Maybe they don't do
well in a setting like that, Maybe they get freaked
out and get anxiety when forty people are staring at
them sitting on a podium the way Josh Naylor was
today with Hollander and Depoto and whoever else was up there.

(15:00):
But that's all the takes, that's all it takes. Go
out there and bust your ass, play hard, right, don't
get in trouble, don't be a schnook and talk to
people like they want to be talked to, like you
give a damn and you care. I mean, my god,
whatever the Q rating was for Josh Naylor yesterday, it

(15:20):
just went up.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
And he's not even playing friend of mine body Josh
Naylor Jersey this morning.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
You kidding me.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's how you do that, dick, That's how you do that.
That will sell tickets for that take well.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
The word that came to mind when I was listening
to that was authentic, right, This wasn't scripted, This was authentic.
He truly feels this way about playing for the kids
and about your believe him, right, I absolutely believe him,
And a lot of times you can kind of see
through that crap and this is not this is not
that time. And the other thing that struck me was
we've heard this all the time in press conferences of

(15:54):
Seattle sports, Seattle sports figures signing contracts with the Sounders,
the Storm, the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
We don't hear it about the Mariners now.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
So maybe the Mariners are turning over a new leaf
and they're actually becoming a destination franchise.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, maybe they're looking for that kind of a guy.
I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I think
it started with your catcher. I think cal Raley began
the whole thing three years ago when he had the
guts to come out and just say, what are we
doing here? Guys? You know, and you know my take
on that. When Service told him to calm down, I mean,
that was it for me. I was kind of done
with Scott that day. And I kind of like Scott then,
to be honest with you, I still do as kind

(16:32):
of a dude, But my god, that was so just
embarrassing that a manager would come out and talk to
his catcher like that. I think cal Raley, I think
I think, honestly, guys, maybe I'm being dramatic here, though hyperbolic.
I think his impact is undeniable on this franchise on
the field, off the field. It's like a fungus. The
way that he has spread his way of doing things

(16:56):
and the way that he demands a championship mentality, a
championship approach. He demands everyone to be on board. He
has no problem calling people out in his own way, right.
He's not a guy that's gonna scream and yell and
rant and rave. He's gonna do it and the way
he does it, and people are going to listen because
he plays his balls off. And now you got a

(17:18):
guy with sixty home runs who's got even more juice
in that organization than he did before.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Softy, you just described Marshawn Lynch for the Seahawks in
the early twenty tens. That's what the exact thing that Morshaun.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Did for that team. I was, honestly, guys, I was
at the house this morning and I was bringing some
holiday decorations out already because the wife wants it all
set up by Thanksgiving, which I love. People are doing
it earlier now, and I just I just had this
random thought in my head that just I don't know
how it happened, It just popped into my brain that
my god, we owe cal Rawley a gigantic debt of
gratitude just for being here. And imagine if they can

(17:51):
wrap this thing up and win a title, that guy's
gonna be a god darn hero, a hero legend in
this town. We're gonna break a lot more to get
you factor fiction. It's Ian's Day, but he's not here,
so we get to pick.

Speaker 9 (18:04):
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Speaker 1 (18:19):
I'm just a reminder, by the way, I don't know
if what he does is any good to remind people.
Now tell your friends at the Husky Honks Show, which
normally has heard at four o'clock today, will be heard
tomorrow at six pm on the radio show. Because I
don't know how Liwiki would feel if we called him
up and said, hey, we're gonna bump the radio broadcast

(18:39):
so we can carry the Husky Hank Show at four
o'clock this afternoon. Yeah, probably he would say, Okay, if
that's what you think is the best move for your career,
So the Husky Hanks Show tomorrow at six o'clock. We'll
talk a lot about, obviously what went down against Purdue
coming up against UCLA, as the Huskies are looking for
something they don't do very often, guys, and that's winning
a game at the Rolls Ball. They've lost nine of

(19:00):
their last ten games against UCLA, ten of eleven if
you include the Rose Bowl loss to Ohio State. It's
just not been a fun place at all for you,
dub And I don't know why. You know, I was
talking to Greg and Mario about that. I was talking
to Jed Fish about that. I was talking to Jimmy
Doherty about that, and nobody really wants to kind of
maybe either admit or come up with anything that really

(19:22):
makes any sense. Maybe guys are being you know, from California.
They get nervous playing in front of family and friends.
The atmosphere generally sucks at the Rose Bowl. Yes, not
as bad as it did at Stanford back in the day,
but it generally sucks at the Rose Bowl because nobody goes.
It's a cavernous place, beautiful place. Obviously, my favorite setting
outside of Husky Stadium in college football is the Rose Bowl.

(19:44):
But it's terrible. Nobody goes there. So there's this big
fight going on down there about what they should do
and where they should play. And look, I get that
fans are mad that they're gonna go play at so FI,
but they got to get the hell out of the
Rose Ball. It's twenty seven miles away from campus. What
is twenty seven miles away from campus right now here
in the north Mary's East? Okay, So let's say the

(20:05):
kids had to drive to Marysville to watch the Huskies
play in traffic that's probably worse than it is here, John, Yes,
and it stinks here. Okay. Let's say they had to
drive to like I don't know, snow quall me to
go watch the Husky. Nobody would go. Nobody would go.
So I get it, but this game scares me, man,
It scares me on Saturday. And I do think that
the Husky's got to find a way to figure this

(20:27):
road thing out, dude, before the season ends. The three games.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
This should always scare scare you in the old Pac
twelve at Arizona, at Arizona State, and at UCLA. I mean,
what are our combined records at those places until last
thirty years. It's Stafford in there too, by the way,
just because crazy stuff. But you just look at this
team and you ask yourself the question, how do the
Bruins score against what I think is a really good

(20:52):
Husky defense? Every single week, the Husky defense comes to play.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Hell.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
They came to play for three and a half quarters
against Michigan until the but threw it away. They came
for three quarters against Ohio State. So this is a
good defense. It's tough for me to envisit UCLA getting
to more than seventeen in this weld.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, it is a good defense. But here's the thing
about UCLA that I kind of talked about when we
went to Madison. And I'm not saying it's going to
be like Madison at all, but two of the last
three games UCLA has played have come against the top
two teams in the country in Ohio State and Indiana.
They lost fifteen. Their offense stunk in both of those games.

(21:31):
They put up twenty one against Nebraska, they put up
twenty against Maryland, they put up thirty eight against Michigan State,
and they put up forty two against Penn State. So
the Huskies defense is way better than sure, but they've
also had some games where they looked way better than
they did against Indiana and Ohio State. So I just
think it's like taking the It's like taking the donut
off the bat when you play the Huskies after playing

(21:54):
Ohio State. I'm not saying the Huskies are terrible. Of
course they're not terrible on defense, but they're not Ohio State,
they're not Indiana, and they're gonna get a little bit
of a break here against these guys. So look, man,
I I I just think when you factor in the
idea that, like you said, weird things happen down there.
They've lost ten of eleven uh U c l A. Look,
look they got they got no pressure on them, They're

(22:16):
seasons done already. Whatever. I think dub is playing for
some pride here to kind of put together a solid season.
Maybe a little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Is UCLA fold because now they're not forligible because they
lost last week.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
They might you might want to start throwing some missiles
up there early and stretch the field. And that's what
Mario talked about that. Hey, you know what, it's kind
of one thing they've been missing lately is that real
bombs away passing game. Anzel's no question they need that
big time. And I don't know if he's playing. That's
that's Evans. That's another crazy That's another part of this

(22:50):
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All right, so here's the deal man. We are leading
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actually win in this time slot. That doesn't happen very often.
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heavy artillery to show you people what it's like to
actually experience a win. So we are clinging to a
percentage points lead over Chuck and Buck. This normally, I
think would be Jess's pick. Is that right? But she
ain't here, So it's ours. It's Tuesday, It's Dick Day.
What do you got We talked about this yesterday.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think the Seattle Seahawks would have played a football.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Game yes yesterday if they could have.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
After that game in LA they want to get back
on the field and make things right. And you just
talked about a step down in competition. You're going from
the number one team in the NFL to unquestionably the
number thirty two team in the NFL. Let's take a
look here. How many rushing touchdowns do they have on

(24:22):
the season as a team? Oh, that'd be three on
the year. I want to guess, Okay, how many passing
touchdowns do they have on the season.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm gonna say four. I'm gonna say seven. You guys
are right, it's right in the middle. Six.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
They have six passing touchdowns and three rushing touchdowns and
they're playing arguably the best defense in football. How do
they get to thirteen points in this game against the
Seahawks defense. I know it's a big number. I usually
don't like betting favorites in big number games. This has
been a year of favorites covering big numbers. It happens again.

(25:00):
Give me the Seahawks minus thirteen points against Tennessee. They
roll thirty to thirteen in this game. Thirteen's the max.
Thirteen is the number what they play. Thirteen is the
number what Tennessee scores.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Rather, but they're given thirteen, given they're right, given thirteen,
not thirteen and a half. Thirteen thirteen, Okay, I want
to make sure we get it right. Thirteen not thirteen
and a half. Thirteen. Hawks have a point differential of
plus one hundred and one. The Titans are at minus
one thirty. By the way, they have lost. The Titans
have lost five games by fourteen or more already. Actually, Dick,
what's the first half line on that queah in honor

(25:33):
of this ratio? No, no honor, no nothing else. Yes,
you just say it own it, man, Come on, I'm
looking at the Titans at home. Lost to the Texans,
lost to the Chargers, lost to the Patriots, lost to
the Colts lost to the Rams, got buried by fourteen
by the Rams, twenty one by the Colts, eighteen by

(25:55):
the Patriots. Hung in they're tough against the Chargers. Lost
by seven, lost by three to Houston. So yeah, I
mean I like it. The number makes me a little nervous.
There's gonna be a backdoor cover. I mean, they could
be crushing these guys in the fourth quarter and all
of a sudden they just get the garbage touchdown to
cover that sucker. I would love the thirteen and a half.
By the way, if we can get the half, why

(26:17):
would you want to give more points? We're the favorites. No,
you're right, you would love the twelve.

Speaker 9 (26:21):
And a half.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm just trying to fit in with this radio show.
Ye how they do things here. I'm sorry, twelve and
a half. We'll make it twelve and a half, all right.
Seahawks minus thirteen is the pick against the Titans. You like,
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Speaker 11 (26:57):
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fun with audio slash. Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick,
did you happen to hear? That's it? What's that? Dick?
Start with number four? There, Jackson. The Ravens scored thirteen
fourth quarter points to come back beat the Browns on Sunday,
thanks in part to mistakes by Shador Sanders, who was

(27:42):
forced into the game late for Cleveland due to an
injury to Dylan Gabriel. After the loss, Sanders was seen
sitting on the bench alone instead of mingling with other
players on the field. So on yesterday's Get Up on
ESP and Rex Ryan of course, had some thoughts on
the situation Shador.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
He's got to get over himself too, like he's there
by himself on the bench at.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
The end of the game.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
I've never I've seen it in the seventh game of
World Series. When you lose a game or whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
This is a game, is a pillow fight game.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Nobody cares. He cares, sit back care, Yeah, did he care?
Or are you trying to make it a show and
make it about yourself. You've got a guy over there that,
by the way, is a two time MVP right there,
Lamar Jackson. He was looking for you. He was looking
for you right there. Why didn't share a moment with him?
All right? All right, share a moment with Lamar?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
He looking all over for you.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
They get in there with your teammates, these are your
teammates and talk about I'm not comfortable losing. You think
anybody in that locker room is.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I think shaduor Sanders has created an atmosphere around him
where he is going to never ever, ever get the
benefit of the doubt from most people. Ever. Honestly, I
mean he could have gone out there and mingled with
other players like Rex Ryan's talking about, and he would
have gone on TV and said, you get your ass

(29:03):
in that locker room. You stopped talking to people. Yeah,
I mean honestly, So there's a look. I'm not a
big fan of Shador. You guys know that by now.
But I do think there's a line where the criticism
and the nitpicking of a kid gets a little bit ridiculous.
I think it's and I wonder if this kind of
falls into that category. I think it's a lot ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
It's one thing to criticize somebody for something legitimate. I mean,
Shador is getting criticized for everything. He had criticized for
the postgame press conference because he was smiling too much.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's like, okay, come on, and if he wasn't smiling,
he'd get criticized for not smiling. But again again, and
I get it, right, I agree with you, but this
is mostly of his doing.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
How much of his dad's doing A lot? I think
a lot of his dad say, I don't want to
blame him anything. I don't want to blame Shador for
I'm not saying Shador has done nothing. I'm just saying
whatever percentage is. Let's say it's sixty and forty percent
on Well, I'm going to throw out the forty because
that shouldn't be on the kid.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's mostly him. He's an adult. He plays in the NFL.
I think blaming your dad for your behavior when you're
twenty two to twenty three years old, in my opinion,
is ridiculous. But my dad was never the head coach
of a college football team. I don't think Dion did
him any favors by having his number retired at Colorado.
I think that's ridiculous. I think makes him look like

(30:24):
a schmuck when he did that, and that just gave
gasoline to all the haters out there. True, that was
a bad idea, man, all right, Hey, Dick is an
Almobile legend though he sure is? He sure is?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Did they even win that game? No? They almost won
the Alamo They almost won the Alamo Bowl? All right? Hey, Dick,
did you happen to hear? What's that? Dick? All right,
here's the money. One Monday morning on ninety two Through
the Fan in Cleveland, radio host Ken Carmen Anthony Lima
got into a disagreement about who's to blame. I want

(30:58):
you to just kind of fight through this here, okay,
because we're gonna come out. We're gonna come out the
other end and talk about it. It's a little painful,
but we'll get through it. They argued on the air
about who is to blame for SHIRER. Sanders not being
ready to step in as the starting quarterback and Sunday's
loss to the Ravens. Did you have an expectation for
him to play well yesterday?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
No?

Speaker 11 (31:17):
I didn't, and that's why I was nervous when he
went in. They used the term development all year long.
I didn't use the term development.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's not it's just not. That's not what this league is.
This league, this league is. But this league is.

Speaker 11 (31:32):
Not Kenny about making sure to force feed a fifth
round pick that should not have been drafted after they
took a third round quarterback. That is not what this
league is. We're not a charity case. We are this
league is not set up to make sure that Matt
Sander's son gets a thousand reps. I'm sorry, Justina, I'm
sorry Ken, and I'm sorry all these people that are

(31:52):
trying to act like the Brons.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are sabotaging him. He's a fifth round pick.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
I didn't say what I expecting this league as a
boat on. Hold on, this is a little leave. Hold on,
This isn't tea ble hold on. We're not trying to
foster some great environment for kids to learn. This is
this is not sports talk radio in Seattle. God, this
isn't no shut up for a second here. Sorry, I
take that word away, take a shut up part away.
But let me get back to the back to the matter,

(32:18):
because now you got me really pissed off at you,
because let me tell you the truth of this matter.
You are not talking about any NFL team. You are
talking about the Cleveland Browns. No other team would do
it this way.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
What in the hell was that?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
What were they intimating about Seattle talk rat I really don't.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Scream over each other all the time, So I'm assuming
that they think we're all soft. I don't know. I mean,
what Jackson, you tell me.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I think that's exactly where I think they are making
the assumption that we don't have real sports talk.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Okay, well, that's fine, I mean whatever. I'm long past
really caring when people think about anything. To be honest
with you, it's a great freedom. By the way, it
really is so invigorating to wake up and not give
a damn? Is it when we hit fifty?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Because it's about when I hit fifty that I was like, Wow,
why have I spent.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
So much time caring about what people think? I think
it's called being crotchety, some people would say at the
same time, but it is. It is very very cathartic
to wake up and not give a damn. It's also
very dangerous because a lot of people could pay the
price for you for you not caring. Right, I go
on the air and say something stupid, I don't give
a damn, but you know what you guys do. Jackson
might be out of a job because of my big

(33:33):
fat mouth, But I will say this. If he is
insinuating that the Seattle media is soft, there's a part
of me that agrees with that. I don't think we
have the toughest media here in Seattle. Not the softest media,
but not the toughest media in Seattle. But on top
of that, look, this is the same radio program speaking
for the three of us here that we're ready to

(33:55):
run Geno Smith out of here after winning ten games, right,
we want him gone. That's it enough enough, Like we
know what he's all about. We know what you can do.
I don't care if you won ten games. I don't
care for me the playoffs. This franchise deserves more. And
you know who agreed with that, John Frickenschneider, agree with that,
and he made the right call. You and I said so,
maybe they're pissed off that they got to cover a
dog meat program and the Browns and we get to

(34:18):
cover a winner. Maybe they're just jealous what it's all
said and done.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
You guys sat on the air five sound like good
guys five ish years ago and said that we want
we do not want the quarterback that won us a
Super Bowl and got us one play within another Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
We do not want him signed to a long term extension.
By the way, I'm watching Jerry Jones on TV over here,
sorry to be toy distracted. They're showing some highlights from
the game last night. We're just shocked the hell out
of you. If you turned on Monday Night Football and
they showed Jerry Jones in his suite and his head
fell right off his neck. No on live TV. Remember
watching Out Davis with the Raiders. All those press.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Conferences last weekend with Bernie, you would wait for an
ear to fall off like.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
That goes the ear, that goes the ear. The nose
is going to fall off next. It's unbelievable. And you're
watching the pregame. People are running around kissing this guy's
ass like he's Jesus Christ. It's amazing. What a rockstar
this guy is. Dude, he hasn't one of thirty years
a mark. I hope they I hope those guys in Dallas, man.
I hope they are not as soft as us. I
hope they're ripping Jerry Jones a new one. You tell

(35:17):
the big guy in Cleveland get after their ass for
crying out loud. All right, we're gonna break. John Wilner
is going to join next on ninety three three KJRFF.

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San Jose Mercury News, Johnny Wilner, John, how are you Pale?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I'm good? Thanks?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
How you guys? Good? Normally we talk at five, but
given the three pm crowd, a little flavor of the
greatness that you bring to the radio show. You've won
three in a row. By the way, with your selection,
you got you dub minus the points against Purdue last week,
so we'll try to make it four in a row
coming up in about fifteen minutes from now. But you
and I spoke a little bit this morning offline about

(36:48):
the equity deal. What's important for fans to know because
now there's a lot of a lot of rumors getting
kind of tossed around, fans of certain fan bases getting
kind of piss off and annoyed at their cut of
this potential equity deal. What's the latest that you can
share with people, John Well, the latest is.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
That is on pause, and I think that pause is
going to be for many months, if not for good.
The investor, which is the financial portfolio for the University
of California pension fund. They the investor offered two point
four billion dollars to the Big ten in exchange for

(37:30):
ten percent cut of what would be a commercial subsidiary
of the conference that they would create. Now that two
point four billion would be divided among the eighteen schools
and tiered basis. Washington would be on the lowest tier,
getting one hundred and ten million dollars up front. All
the schools would have to tie their grand of rights

(37:51):
up for twenty years, which means they could not leave
for another conference. They could not leave for a super
conference for twenty years. So those are like the biggest
pieces of it, and it is now on pause because
Michigan and USC said we're not going to sign, and
without all eighteen agreeing to extend their rights for twenty years,

(38:14):
there's a you know, instable, unstable future for the conference,
and the investor kind of wanted to take a pause
and see if the Big ten can get everybody on
the same page.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
What has Washington done to deserve to be on the
lowest tier?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. If I'm a
uwed up fan, I'm wondering, why are we on the
lowest here? We're you're below Oregon. So it is codifying
in writing that Washington is on a lower tier than Oregon,
and that kind of raised an eyebrow on my end. Immediately,
Oregon would get with the Oregon and USC would be

(38:51):
the middle tier, getting one hundred and fifty million up front.
Washington would be on the lower tier with Rutgers and
you know, Indiana and getting one hundred and ten million.
I think that it is largely due to a brand
which will be TV rating slash success. I don't know
the particulars, but it's basically a brand's assessment. Penn State, Michigan,

(39:16):
and Ohio State are on the highest tier, and USC
is not happy about being behind Ohio State and being
on the same tier as Oregon.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, I mean I get I guess I get why
USC would be mad. What does Michigan want though? Do
they want more than a buck ninety? Do they want
a bigger percentage than what they're already getting? What's Michigan's beef?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Well, first of all, Michigan isn't worried about not having
their grant of rights protected for twenty years, right, I mean,
if you're Minnesota or Purdue, you're worried that the Super
League's gonna come along and the big brands in the
Big ten are going to leave you behind, just like
Oregon State Washington State got left behind. Michigan didn't worried

(39:59):
about that. If there's a super League, Michigan is like
pick number three. So they they look at it like,
why would we tie ourselves up for twenty years in
a very fluid environment, and why are we taking money?
A lot of the schools are going to use the
money to pay off debt, you know, to pay stadium debt,
to pay revenue sharing, to pay whatever. Michigan's like, we

(40:22):
are okay without the money, and we think selling off
ten percent of the Big ten's revenue over twenty years
in exchange for taking money to pay off debt is
a bad financial decision.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
John, you mentioned USC being on the second tier, and
I guess maybe that has to do with revenue generated.
Why is USC's revenue generated solow for being in such
a massive market.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
They were eighth in overall valuation. I think Forbes did it.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
They were eighth in valuation and barely in the top
twenty in college football and revenue.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Your good question. I didn't see that, But some of
it would probably be for stadium, you know, attendance. They
you know, they haven't exactly packed packed the coliseum, and
you're comparing them to a lot of SEC and Big
ten teams that sell out eighty ninety thousand seats. The
other thing is it's probably taking into account TV revenue.

(41:15):
And I don't know what year that was from, but
you know, if it was a packed ten or PAC
twelve year, they would have had lower TV revenue than
a lot of schools.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Right. So to John Wionner with us and John to
kind of dumb this thing down a little bit, mostly
for my purposes, to be honest with you, but to
dumb this thing down, this equity thing, which I'll be truthful,
I get so tired of conversations like this in sports, right,
It's just tiresome. You know, these types of conversations, You know,
these conferences. Got to figure out what the hell they're doing.

(41:44):
Stop dragging this stuff out, so we can just go
back to talking about football, for God's sakes. That's number one.
Number two, this basically, in essence, would lock in you dub.
If they did this deal as a Big ten member
for twenty years, ten percent of the equity would go
to this company. However, when the radio excuse me, when
the media writes deal comes up every five years, there

(42:06):
still would be starting in two thousand and thirty one.
I believe it is John another opportunity every five years
to make even more money than the half share they're
getting right now.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Correct, that is correct. Part of the plan is it
is that the Big ten would redo its media deal
every five years, and that would increase the value of
the investor's share of their ten percent stake. It would
also increase the annual TV money for all the schools.

(42:38):
That's a big that is a big part of it.
But I will say that you know that TV money
is going to be distributed on a tiered basis. The
other piece of this is they're going to start an
uneven revenue distribution within the Big ten on the annual
revenue and Washington would again be on a lower tier.
There they would have the opportunity to move up based

(42:59):
on performance, but they would basically be on a lower
tier than Oregon in the annual payouts as well.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
So okay, so just wrap this up. Dick may have
one more on this, but I just just one more
to put a bow on this thing. John. You hear
things like from Cougar fans and Oregon State fans, who
I get it, are you know, despondent right now? And
I don't blame them for feeling the way they do
that you should have stuck in the PAC twelve. You see,
this is why you're going to be a half share
Harry for the rest of your life, and you're going
to sell your soul and you should have stayed with us.

(43:28):
Should they have? I mean, honestly, for as much as
you don't think this is the right move for you,
Dubbed to vote for this equity deal, will this even
if they accept it be proven to be a better
financial situation for them over the next two get two
decades than whatever they would have had coming their way

(43:48):
if they had stayed with Oregon in the new look
PAC ten without the LA schools.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, I think it would have. I don't think Washington
is ever going to get to the point where they're
a full share. Remember, because by the time the current
deal ends, when they're half shared, the Big ten could
very well go to unequal shares for everybody. Right, so
the only the only schools getting the full shares are
going to be Michigan and Ohio State. But Washington find

(44:15):
you know, if you're just tallying up the dollars and
I would have to, you know, map the whole thing out.
What is the alternative universe with the with the PAC
ten staying alive. Yes, probably Washington would be better off
financially over the course of twenty years. Yes, for sure.
The competitive piece, to me is not as easy to answer.
I don't know that Washington. If you're looking at playoff bids,

(44:37):
I'm not convinced Washington would be better off than the
Big ten that would have been in a PAC ten.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
John, how dangerous is this game?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
For you, dub is UCLA still in upset mode or
they kind of sank back into the ABYSS and now
they're no longer have the potential to be Bowl eligible,
so they might just lay lie over.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, I don't know if they'll lay down. It's a
last home game for any players who are moving on,
and that's always an emotional, you know, advantage, I think.
But Washington's been so bad on the road that to me,
they could lose any game that's away from Husky Stadium.
I mean, if they could lose to Wisconsin, they could
certainly lose to UCLA. That's kind of how I view.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
At least it won't be thirty five degrees in snowing
in La. At least, I'm telling you the weather wasn't
that terrible that Wisconsin. It really wasn't. And I get
your point. I think got badly TV. It really wasn't
as bad as you think.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I just told people aren't using that as an excuse
for the way the Huskies played in that game because
it was not to me one that was eligible for
an excuse. But you know, look, I mean, like you said, right,
that's the last game with the Rolls bull for a
lot of these guys. You realize, John, that U dub
has lost nine of ten in Pasadena to UCLA ten
of eleven overall if you include the actual Rolls Bowl

(45:51):
loss to Ohio State. So I mean, are you still weird?
It's very weird. Do you have a thought like this?
You have a thought why that is, by the way,
why you'd obstruct so much down there?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I haven't. I mean, it's you know, a lot of
times it's like playing football in a parking lot because
it's empty. But you know, some teams just have problems
with some opponents, like Washington's got the same issue with ASU. Right,
it couldn't be ASU, or every game was closed. So
I think it's just one of those unexplainable deals.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I do wonder, Dick and John, how many references to
Jetfish and the UCLA job we're going to have on
the broadcast on Saturday if that job is not filled
by then, which I don't think it will be filled
by Saturday. And how many times are you going to
hear somebody's saying, oh, you could see Jetfish next year,
coach through this brewin football team blah blah blah. Are
you still on Fish? Watch John when it comes to
him potentially leaving or did the Wisconsin loss kind of

(46:44):
put all that on ice for a while, you think.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Now I'm on fish Fish watch for sure. I just
think until the door is closed officially, it's it's always possible,
especially with somebody who has moved around like he has.
Now we'll see what Lane Kiffin does with if the
LSU Mississippi Florida situation, and if Kivin passes on Florida.
You know, I think that, especially if Washington finishes strong,

(47:10):
I think Fish could be an option there. I know
that UCLA is looking at at Bob Jesney from James Madison,
but I'm not going to rule anything out until it's done.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Deal right, Share your theory with us for the game
time of the Husky Oregon game and how it ties
into what Oregon does this week against USC.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, I've been told that.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
CBS has got the first pick that day, So the
two games that are unknown are Oregon Washington and USC UCLA.
My sense is the winner of the Oregon USC game
on Saturday, Yeah, will play on CBS, So they'll twelve
thirty slot on the twenty ninth. Because CBS picks before NBC.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Does okay, well, which begs the question who wins Oregon USC?

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I think the Ducks are going to smoke them, really
because the line was big.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
I was a little surprised to see how big the
line ten and a half.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, I mean, everybody likes the better organ at home
and they usually went big, and see has not been
very good on the road. I mean, everybody's hailing the
game against Nebraska. They barely beat Nebraska and Ryola was
out for though what the second half? I don't didn't
view that as you know, some kind of signal that
the Trojans have ascended to a higher level.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
John Rick new Eisel told us a couple of weeks
ago that he thinks Lane Kiffin's going to stay at
ole Miss, and he should stay at Old Miss. And
now it looks like ole Miss has given him a moratar,
a deadline of basically the Thanksgiving the Egg Bowl to
give him a decision. So what do you think is
gonna happen? And do you agree with Rick that he
should stay there?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Boy, I don't know. It's interesting because Ole Miss and Florida,
you know, ten or fifteen years ago, there was no
question which was a better job.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
But now, if you're at a place like Old Miss,
where you've got a great nil collective and school support,
you can pay for a roster that can get you
into the playoff. And that's what he's done. I mean
they're in basically, so the difference in those two jobs
is not what it was now. LSU, to me is
a higher level LSU. Three different coaches have won the

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national title at LSU this century. That place is a
title machine. But they've got problems with their president, problems
with the ad. Right, it's a mess down there. So
I think he might end up staying. I don't think
he'll go to Florida if he picks I don't think
he'll go to Florida. But that's also the reason, one
reason Kenny Dillingham's not interested in leaving ASU. He can

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get to the playoff from ASU.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Why would you, if you're the Ole Miss ad give
Lane Kiff an ultimatum? I mean, don't you want the
guy back? You want the guy back?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Right, you do want the guy back. But I think
either they don't want it to seep into December and
like are they gonna have? You know what happens if
they're in the playoff on December twelve, Right, is Kiffin
gonna be Is that gonna drag on that long? Is
they want to know? And I kind of don't blame

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them there, but it could It could end up backfiring
on him.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Absolutely could backfire. By the way, just for the record,
you can take it or leave it. Kiffin apparently went
on McAfee and said that's not true that he was
not given an ultimatum. And I can see how somebody
to say, hey man, we gotta know, right, yeah, we
gotta no versus. We must know by this date or
we're gonna start looking for a new head coach. Yeah.
I doubt they'd go that far, that's true.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
And then another coach in the news, John Well, at
least Desmond Howard put him in the news. Desmond Howard
releasing a video today says he believes Sark will leave
Texas for the NFL, and the Texas AD had a
great quote. He quote tweeted the video saying, thanks for
the insight. It's news to me. Do you agree Sark
will leave for the NFL?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Uh? Boy? I could see him saying to himself, you
know what, it's I want to stay one step ahead
of the posse here in Austin. I mean he's taken
them to the playoff two years in a row, like
he has rebuilt them quickly. And yet now he's at
a place where if he doesn't win the national title,
everybody's going to be frustrated. So I could see him

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leaving for the NFL not having any idea how many
jobs are going to be opened for what's it going
to be five six more weeks for that? I would
not be that surprised he's coached in the NFL before.
He's one of those guys that you can see doing
it and doing it effectively, So I would not be
surprised at all about that.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
John. Do you vote for the Coach of the Year
in college football?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
I do vote for it through the Associated Press.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yes. Would you consider Jake Dickert to be on your
ballot right now? At Wake Forest?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I would put Jake Dickert on my short list of
five or six guys. I mean Wake Forest was picked
they should be last in the ACC and he's got
him at seven and three. He's doing a terrific job.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Who's your winner right now? Signetti?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Who's my winner? That's a good question. I haven't even
really to be honest, I have not given it any thought.
Signetti would be way up there. Probably not. Joey McGuire
Elka would be way up there. Joey McGuire's got such
an expensive roster that I at Texas Tech, I probably
wouldn't vote for him. I'm just trying to think. Boy,

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that's that's that's a tough one. Maybe Signetti just because
they're kind of on the next level than they were
last year.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Well, speaking of coaches, you got James Franklin now at
VA Tech. Is that enough to make VA Tech a
real player in that conference?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yes? Don't you think? I mean, I think that conference
is wide open? Oh yeah, he he goes there and wins,
wins nine, eight or nine every year. Absolutely. I mean
the ACC just got a lot harder for like Stanford
and cow for instance. So no, I think that was
a great hire for Virginia Tech. He knows that terrain,

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he grew up in Pennsylvania, he recruits that area. I
thought that was that was one of those cases where
firing your coach in the middle of the season ends
up working out for the best.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Well, John, unless I'm blind, I got you at eight
and four after twelve games on the air. You've won
three straight since your loss with the Indiana UCLA game.
So the Wingdalorean is what we call John when he
makes his pick every week. He is back on the
proper path and he is just chugging right through life. Man,
unbelievable eight and four on the air, three in a row.

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Give us a winner, John, who do you like this
week to go for four in a row and run
your record to nine and four?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Oh man, I just looked at it before we got talking.
I will take Arizona, okay at home against Baylor, Okay.
I believe the Cats are giving six six and a
half something like that. It's less than a touchdown. Arizona
is rolling. They're playing their last home game of the season,

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and Baylor just I mean you, todg just stomped on them.
And I think Baylor's not very good on the road,
and there David Annam may get fired. I think Arizona
will roll in that game.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Arizona minus six and a half against Baylor is the play.
All right, man, great stuff, good luck, and we'll talk
in a week in our proper time of five o'clock
next Tuesday, John appreciate it, Man, Thanks lot, guys. All right,
John Wilder with some great stuff. You want to know
what's happening with this big ten equity deal. He's the
guy to follow on social media. He is all over
at Man and fans are getting mad. How can you

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Dub be a third tier against anybody? How can they
be on the same financial plane as Rutgers. And here's
the thing, I agree with that, but even that is
still better than the deal they would have had if
they had stayed in the old Pac ten or Pac twelve.
So we got hockey coming up, we got red Wings,
we got krackin from Detroit. Face off at four o'clock
pregame with Mike Bendon Company coming next on ninety three

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to three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Bye.