November 19, 2024 • 27 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain talk about the Dawgs quarterback decision looking ahead to facing Oregon next week and what to do with Will Rogers, plus discuss the wild officiating mistake that benefitted the Seahawks in San Francisco.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
John Wilner joins us at five o'clock. We do have
some audio here we're gonna play in a little bit.
There's this big controversy coming out of San Francisco about
the Seahawks and what happened on the fourth and sixth
play and the subsequent decision by the Seahawks to try
and call consecutive timeouts and how the officials handled all that,
because you can't call consecutive timeouts anymore in the NFL,
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can't even do it in college football. And Greg Papa,
who does the radio for K and BR you heard
him yesterday, was going ballistic on his radio show. I
think he had Mike Pereira from Fox on his show, right.
So we'll get to that in a matter of minutes.
But I'm really curious about what people think is going
to happen in eleven days from now in outsin stadium.
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Oregon is a nineteen and a half point favorite over
you Dub. I've been thinking ever since the PAC twelve
championship game and ever since Camben de Boor left, that
if Oregon can't get you Dubb now, they're never going
to get him.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I think this felt the same way against Wazoo and
the Apple Cup, and that didn't turn out the way
we wanted it to. But I think Oregon, and knowing
Dan Lanning and the way he operates, he's gonna want
to murder Washington. I mean, did you see did you
watch the Ohio State Oregon game? Yes? Did you see
Dan Lanning's reaction after they won the game? It was
like they won the Super Bowl. He was going bananas,
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running off the sideline like Jimmy Valvano, and it was
a huge monkey off his back.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's been accused by a lot of people of not
being able to win the big One. Johnken Zidel mentioned
that when he was on with us, you know, about
half an hour ago you missed that. Hear it again
coming up at six twenty on the radio station. I
think Dan Lanning goes into this game with that same
type of attitude that he's got something to prove, and
I think it's gonna cost him. I think Dan Lanning
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is going to coach with emotion next Saturday at Audstin Stadium.
I don't think Oregon's strength of schedule has been very good.
As a matter of fact, if you look at the
strength of schedule, Index for twenty twenty five for Washington
actually has a stronger so WES than Oregon Ducks, meaning
they've played a stronger schedule than the Oregon Ducks have.
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And I think with the way that Washington ran the
ball with the quarterback spot and their running back spot,
I think it's a it's a magic potion to at
least keep Dylan Gabriel and the Oregon offense on the sideline.
I think you can learn a lot from what Wisconsin
did over the weekend in Madison. I don't think the
Huskies are gonna win the game, but I'm telling you,
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when the fourth quarter starts, if you and I were
sitting there watching the game together, we would look at
each other and go, Huh, this thing ain't over yet.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Interesting. Interesting? Do you say that largely because.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Because I'm but You're not kidding.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You don't always pick your course. You're not Dick Baird,
of course, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Do you think that because you think de Mon Williams
game would and would you feel the same if you
felt will Rogersville?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yes, because I think the Husky defense this is good
enough to keep them in the game. I really do.
I think that this is not going to be the
Penn State style of football that we saw two weeks ago.
I think Oregon's good, but I think last year's team
was better than this team. Oregon's team a year ago
is better than this one is, And I just think
there's not going to be as many guys on that
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team that are playing with the emotion that you'd think
they would because they weren't a part of it last year.
Dylan Gabriel wasn't a part of that a year ago.
He's not angry about the way things went in Vegas
against U Dubs, So I don't know. Maybe I'll change
my mind by Friday of next week, but I just
feel like the Husky defense and the Husky running game
and the way the offensive line is kind of coming around.
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I think these guys will be able to hang with
these guys, and I think they'll cover. Now, again, most
people may not even give a damn if they cover.
Maybe they lose by eighteen, maybe they're down by twenty
five and they score a late touchdown to get a
back door cover. But I think the Huskies will cover
the twenty against Oregon, and I think there's a good
chance that by the time the fourth quarter starts, you're
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gonna feel like these guys are in the game. I
just think demon crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Uh No, I don't think you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I would lean.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I would lean slightly towards the Huskies not legitimately being
in the game, I think being in the fourth quarter,
but that I don't think it's going to be a
blowout either.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Right, I don't think down, I.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Mean down two touchdowns without the ball, right, And that
doesn't really feel like you're in the game. I guess
technically it is. That's kind of how I feel that
the game is going to go. But DeMont Williams is
so hard to prepare for. I mean, if you just
think of the quarterbacks in college football and the NFL
that are the hardest to prepare for. I mean, look,
DeMont Williams has to be one of the hardest quarterbacks
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in all of college football to prepare for because he
adds an element that almost no other quarterback in the
country has. The escapability element of DeMont Williams is absolutely ridiculous.
The speed around the corner of DeMont Williams is absolutely
probably unmatched.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
In college football amongst quarterback.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, is there a faster quarterback in college football
on the hoof than Damon Williams. If there is, there's
very very few of them, and that will always keep
you in the game.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The question is is he gonna make freshman mistakes? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But will Rogers made freshman mistakes as a senior, So
I mean, I guess that the mistake part is probably
a wash. And what Washington gets is that unpredictability that
you just can't prepare for. And yet I don't think
you can rush the quarterback with as much fury when
you don't have a potted.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Plant back then.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And guy, I mean you rush guys like Lamar Jackson,
you really kind of have to play zone because what
happens when you when you rush, what happens when you
play man a man against Lamar Jackson and you send
an extra guy. I mean, that's a guaranteed fifteen yard
or more run by Lamar Jackson. I think it could
be the same for Demon Williams.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I just my only concern about Demond is we haven't
seen him start a game ever, right, and all of
these situations he's come into have been I don't want
to say no pressure because that's ridiculous. There's always some
kind of pressure. There was a little pressure last week.
That game was not over, absolutely, but you're still replacing
a guy that had basically just thrown three interceptions, and
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you're like, go out there and just see what you
can do. Right, It wasn't like you were asking him
from the start to win the game. Now you're asking
him from the start to win the game, and you're
asking to do it against the number one team in
the country who wants blood after what happened in Vegas
a year ago. And there's gonna be some players that
will feel like that. Some players won't feel like that,
Like we said, they weren't even there. But I just
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wonder if Demon Williams is young enough And I'm going
to use this word, and I don't mean it as
an insult, ignorant enough to not know what he's supposed
to be. Ignorans is bliss right of it. Right, He
doesn't know that he's supposed to be freaked out going
to Oregon. He doesn't know that these two teams hate
each other's guts. He doesn't have three years or four
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years of rivalry between him and Oregon players and fans
and social media posts to lean on. Right, he doesn't
have that upbringing the way a Carson Brunner does, for example,
when his dad played for Washington or you know guys
that were on the team a year ago. So I
almost wonder if the ignorance can be a positive for
him going down there next weekend. I think I think
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everything's on the table for Demon Williams. I think playing
really well and fooling the Oregon offense. I mean, I
told you guys the other day that I think Jetfish
should keep his mouth shut. And guess what Jeedfish is doing.
He's keeping his mouth shut. He's not saying anything. There's
no advantage at all, right to Jetfish announcing who starts
a quarterback in this game? None. And it's been it's
been basically four years since we've gone to a game
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and not had any idea pregame who's starting. And I
think for Jetfish that's the right call. Will it make
a difference, maybe not, But just that little one percent
where Oregon's got to prepare for both guys, I think
is a smart move by him.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The last time was the Sam Hewart game.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah right, keep it quiet.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Isn't that the last time we didn't know who was
gonna start?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think most of us knew he was going to start.
I'm trying to remember if they had announced it. I
think they did announce it now that i'd remember. But
either way, it's been a while, right, either way, it's
been a while, and it's smart for him to do
that because you're keeping people guessing. I mean, if it
was the same type of quarterback, maybe it doesn't matter,
but these are two polar opposites as far as the
style of play.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him both
come into the game. I mean, doesn't just because if
you start, demand doesn't mean will can't come in for
a series, right and change things up a little bit.
I mean, de Mont Williams qbr out of one hundred.
I know it's a very small sample size. It's in
the eighty six point nine.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean, he's complete seventy four percent of his passes.
Now they're not downfield, they're mostly short passes. But he's
making good decisions in the passing game, like he did
on that little touchdown pass on the right corner.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean, you know what I thought, honestly against UCLA,
the most impressive throw he made was the fade route
to Denzel Boston that drew the right on the That
was the most impressive throw I had. I thought he
had the entire game. He dropped in the bucket. Yes,
I mean watching him make that throw I thought was
really impressive. But I'm just wondering. Guys, let's just kind
of figure this out now, all right, and again we
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can change our mind next week. We got a whole
bye whatever. If Demon Williams starts the game and he struggles,
do we want jed Fish to stick with him? No
matter what? Is the game over, no matter what. Let's
just say they're down two touchdowns, they're down fourteen, because
you're right, if it's thirty five to zip whatever, forget it,
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get him out, blah blah blah. Or again, maybe you'll
leave him in and just say what the hell? All right,
so let's just live in a world where he's really
really struggling. Maybe your defense is keeping you in the game,
maybe you're getting blown apart. Whatever. Do we approach this
game next Saturday with a Demon Williams? No matter what,
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it's his game, he starts it, he finishes it, and
that's it.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think if it's a good the picture you're painting
to me is the exact scenario we had Friday night,
where your defense is keeping you in the game and
you were playing a team that all you had to
do to win was not hand them the football game,
and your quarterback was handing them the football game. If
that's the case, like if we see through the first half,
like dude, Oregon's having a tough time scoring on Washington,
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Like maybe they have sixteen points at halftime, and they're
leading sixteen to three.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So it's fourteen. It was fourteen to thirteen right when
they pulled uh Will.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Rodgers and he essentially had three interceptions even though only
two counted. If it's like that, I think you might
give Will a shot just to see if he can
settle things, just get something going on offense. But yeah,
if the games, if it's twenty four to three, twenty
seven to six, just just leave him in there and
just kind of let him go through the bumps.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So if you've got a shot, you want to get
him out. If he's playing like Will did said such
s it's ten to three in the third quarter, defense
is playing the balls off, but the offense is doing nothing.
If do you make the switch at halftime and go
back to number seven.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Only if he's handed Oregon the ball multiple times, okay,
like Will. And if he's just not getting anything going,
then I'm okay if he's not making any mistakes. But
Will was making multiple sit mistakes in a row.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But like you said, Will Rogers may have an ability
to stretch the field more than number two Will. And
if that's there, if Jed Fish sees it there, I
don't know. I mean, I think it's a great question. Honestly,
because I'm with you. I think all three of us
are on the same page that I would start demand
Williams next Saturday at Oregon. But I could see somebody saying,
you know what, No, let's go with Will. And if
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Will struggles early, then let's have a quick hook, because
remember they pulled him with like five minutes in the
third quarter last Friday. Let's not wait till five minutes
in the third If it's clearly obvious from the start
that this isn't working, let's get him out. If you
wait till five minutes the third and it's Demon's show,
no matter what's down here thirty If you wait till
five minutes of the third at Oregon. There's a few
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things involved here.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
This First, I think the kid is more mentally damaged
by taking him out a quarter in than if you
leave him in and he gets blown out. That's first
to point. The second point, I'm like Kevin Costner and
Draft Day. I'm noting stick. You know that, says Demond Williams.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Do no't matter what.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Right, I don't care because I look at the game, Mac,
I'm looking at seventy to twenty one back. You know,
a few years ago when we blew out Oregon, they
started Justin Herbert in his first start. He got picked
up by Buddha Baker the first play, right, and we
look at how much of a blowout that game he's
stay in. He stayed in the entire game didn't affect him,
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and it didn't because he turned out to be a
pretty damn good quarterback. So demand Williams. I'm done with
Will Rogers. I am done with Will Rogers. Give me
the demand, Williams should no matter what sounds like, you're
angry at Will Rogers. Are you angry at Will Rogers?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I mean, I'll just say this that there's been some
tone towards him that I had been a little bit
surprised by that. I don't think he deserves to be
totally honest with you. I'm not just saying you, guys,
by the way, I've seen this from a lot of
people that they're like, I'm sick of him. I never
want to see him again. I mean, hell, the postgame show.
You should have heard Mario on the Postgame Show on
Saturdayally he was like enough, he was like disgusted.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well yeah, because like that game he was terrib.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I think it was like that, well, yes, But I
also think that there's a tone and I remember getting
into this with people, maybe even you, when people talked
about Felix Hernandez back in the day, that you get
and look, I'm not saying that Will Rogers is Felix
Hernandez at all. The guy's going to be here for
nine months for crisis. But I think that there's a
point you get to where you know that a guy
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is a good dude, he's a good teammate. You saw
and you saw it too on Friday, right at the game,
because you were there after they pulled him. He could
have been sitting there on the bench, sulking, throwing a fit,
checking his helmet, f this f that he's literally the
only guy that comes off the sideline in the offensive huddle,
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high fiving guys him on the ass, encouraging him on
getting him going. And I was going to video that
and I just couldn't do it. But I was pretty
impressed by that. I think Will Rodgers is a good dude.
I think he's a good teammate. I think he was
putting a bad in a position that at least he
did not expect to be in. We can talk about
whether or it's good for the team or not, but
he did not expect to be in that situation when
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he came here. And I think he's kind of a
mess because of all that.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I don't think really quick, I wasna say I'm done
with Will Rodgers. I'm not done with Will Rogers the person.
I think he's a great person. We've had him on
the air a number of times. It's just it comes
back to the play, so Dick. Sorry, I just wanted
to say it's not personally. When I say that, I
got it. I don't think Will Rogers costs us a
game this year. I would be upset if I thought
Will Rogers cost us a game. But look at the losses.
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I mean the Penn State, he had no shot, Indiana
had no shot. The Rutgers game, he was twenty six
of thirty six three hundred and six yards and two touchdowns.
He didn't cost you the game. The kicking game cost you.
The penalty cost you that.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
How much different is the narrative on Will Rodgers if
they win two of those games and they're.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Seven credit bit quite a bit. I mean the Wazoo game,
he didn't really cost you that one either. He's twenty
three of thirty one for three fourteen in a touchdown. Now,
they ran a terrible play at the end of the game,
but that wasn't really his fault.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So the third of Jiles Jackson that got him in
great play remember that.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, he was just so much better in the September.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
This is what I'm talking about. That the freaking narrative
is like balanced on the blade of a knife.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
If they don't call that ridiculous option against Wazoo, of course,
and they win the game, if Grady Gross makes fuel
goals and they don't get a guy that leaves the
sideline that takes a fuel goal off the board, eight
or a blee, and we got a really different thought
about what happens against Oregon. Guess what nobody's talking about
benching Will Rogers for Oregon. We're just not because you're
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eight and three and you got a shot to maybe
get to ten wins. I mean, and again, look, I'm
not saying that the conversation is wrong to have. I
think you're totally right to talk about starting dem On Williams.
I think it's more than fair to talk about because
it is what it is. It doesn't matter what could
have been. All that matters is what is. And you're five,
you're six and five, and you're you know, a mediocre
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team and you've won how many games, you've won four
games in the Big Ten. You're under five hundred and
the Big Ten. So I get it. This team is
not gonna play for a title. They're not gonna play
for the Big Ten championship. If the goal is to
put these guys in the best spot to have success
next year, then let's start that next Sunday at Autson.
I'm totally with that. But it's just incredible how this
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stuff goes. Man, all right, we're gonna break, We're gonna
hear a little bit from Greg Poppa, who's the voice
of the Niners, whining and crying to Mike Pereira about
the Seahawks finally getting a break from the officiating crew.
Coming up on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:01):
All Right, Tuesday Night, John Wilder coming up five pm
on the radio show. The win over the Niners on
Sunday is kind of the gift that keeps on given,
by the way, because we have a new controversy that
has emerged out of the Bay Area courtesy of our
pal Greg Papa and the flagship station, the Flamethrower known
as K and BR Radio and the Bay Area.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Remember when we could just go on twice a year
and make fun of the Niners because we beat them
all the time.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
That was awesome. Do you remember when you could go
home at night and flip on K and B R
and hear it in sat.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Absolutely Golden State Warriors games ten years old? That, by
the way, Oh yeah, times, yeah, at times, so if.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
You're ever driving around town at like ten o'clock at night,
flip on six eighty eight AM and you might get
K and B, R and C ally.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it doesn't seem as cool now because of streaming,
everybody can get it. I'm saying there's something cool about
flipping on your terrestrial radio, going to six eighty AM
and hearing somebody talk from a thousand miles away.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Because people from the Midwest are like, that's not a
big deal, because in the Midwest you can hear like
forty seven different cities radio signals because there's no mountains
in the way.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, they're they're complaining about the Seahawks apparently getting away
with calling consecutive timeouts. So let's go back and just
set the scene. First of all, so the Niners are winning.
They had a throw to Juwan Jennings on third down,
which the Seahawks were able to keep them from getting
the necessary yardage for the first down marker, and it
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was fourth and six from the Seahawk forty two with
two forty five left to go in the game. There
was a stoppage in play and apparently the Seahawks tried
to call consecutive timeouts. At least that's what the Niners
are saying, and that's what some folks that K and
B are are saying. And they should have been docked
a five yard flag, which would have made it fourth
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and one from the Seahawks thirty seven with two forty
five left to go, in which we all think that
the Niners would have just gone for it at that point, right,
they would have go on for it and maybe been stopped.
I mean, the Hawks tried it twice on third and one,
fourth and one couldn't get it, so nothing is certain.
But the Niner fans are all complaining that, hey, we
should have had the option of going for it on
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fourth and one from the Seahawk thirty seven with two
forty five left to go. Instead, you robbed us of
that potential because you did not dock the Seahawks five
yards for calling consecutive timeouts. Never mind the fact that
the Seahawks got the ball back and shoved it down
your throats and went eighty yards for the game winning touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It's like it's like the Utah fans complaining about the
holding penalty at the ten yard line, Well, how about
stopping BYU from going eighty five yards on you.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
After the penalty. So let's not complain about our defense.
Let's just we have gotten so pathetic down here that
instead of complaining about our actual players, we're gonna bitch
and moan about the officiating. Which, listen, we've done that too, right,
all of us have been there at one time or another.
So Papa, who again is the play by play voice
of the San Francisco forty nine ers, he had Mike
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Pereira on his radio show in San Francisco today and
they talked about it.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Why would Kevin Cody, the line judge, come running in
and stop punt formation if in fact somebody from Seattle
sideline did not call a timeout. Did you get any
clarification on that, Michael?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
It is clear that Seattle asked for a second time out,
and what you are to do and when a team
asked for a timeout when they're not entitled to it,
so either they're out of timeouts or they've already called
one in that same dead ball period, what you do
is ignore it. Now, it didn't get ignored, it got granted,
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all right, So what does the rule? Is it simply
a do over at that point because the officials erroneously
granted that, No, it is a five yard penalty even
though the official shouldn't have stopped it. When he does,
then it's a have your penalty, And in reality, instead
of having that fourth and sixth punt, worst case scenario,
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I guess is you have a fourth and one part,
which then leads to probably what I would call a
probability of going forward from fourth and one.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Do we know who on the Seattle sideline asked for
the timeout to come from Mike McDonald?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
That makes no difference. It makes no difference.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Do we know who asked for it?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, no, I don't know. I can't. I can't. I
didn't see. I just confirmed that it was a coach
that asked for it.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So they stopped the game?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
They did, Yes, they did.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They stopped the game before the punt, so they essentially
gave the Seahawks the timeout, and I was panicked, and
then I thought when when you saw Mike McDonald's reaction,
I was like, oh my god, we're going to get flagged.
But they never charged him for the timeout, right, So
we kind of got away with one, and we kind
of got away with one twice because we got a
way with not losing five yards, and we got away
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with being able to keep a timeout, which they used,
by the way, after Geno's sixteen yard run on second
and thirteen that got the ball down to the nine
or twenty one yard line, and they caught a time
out there. So number one, they should have been out
of timeouts. At number two they should have been docked
five yards, at which point they may have never even
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gotten the ball back. So I'll just say this if
I'm in their shoes down there, extremely difficult.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh, they were so close, so close.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm doing the same thing they are. I'm bitching about it,
complaining about it.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, I would like to know.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I know we're not going to know, but I would
like to know who called it, because if it's was
the head coach of the football team and his rookie year,
and he's already had some foibles of sloppiness before. I mean,
that's it's not good. But we're going to give him
the pass on this one. A because we don't know
if he did it, and B they won the football game,
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so I'm willing to give McDonald.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The pass on This goes back to our last conversation
last segment where if you lose the game, the narrative
is totally different, and the conversation we're having right now
is totally different. Washington doesn't get a gagillion penalties against Rutgers.
They don't call a ridiculous red zone play on fourth
and one against the Cougars. The conversation is totally different
because you're a seven to win football team and nobody's
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talking about benching Will Rogers or playing the freshman. So
if they lose that game, and I think these are
conversations that have to be had, not just here, but
also behind the scenes, because that's the crap you got
to clean up, right because you're lucky it didn't bite
you in the ass on Sunday, And if you keep
it up, it will eventually bite you in the button
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and it's gonna cost you a game. Like why are
we having four defenders getting dragged across the markener by
Juwan Jennings on a crucial play in the fourth point?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Why are we having a pass rusher jumping at a
pump fake when brock perty is already he basically across
the line?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I mean, there's just a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Is every single that's true?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Every single you talk about the clock, Jackson Smith and
Jigma on an out route turns around and runs back
into the field of play, costing like twenty seconds.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
On that last draw. You're exactly right. I remember sitting there.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Still mistake after mental mistake by this football team all
year long, and that is coaching.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
No, the Jackson Smith and Jigma is a good one.
I remember watching that thinking the same damn thing, like,
what are you doing? Get out of bounds? Why are
you cutting it back in? Get the hell out of bound?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know Smith the snap, I mean, the snap wasn't good,
but Greg Olson said Geno's got to catch that snap.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I agree, I totally agree with you. I mean, that's
gonna happen. Not every snap is going to be a
bull's eye. And you got a center starting his first game.
I mean, as long as a quarterback doesn't have to
extend his arms and you know, right by his ear right,
I mean the cat catch the ball, that's not an
catchable snap. Look, obviously you're looking for something better out
of big Olu, But I think big Olu deserves more
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of a benefit on that day than Gino does because
big Olu was starting his first game. As a Seahaws
and at least he played well, which again the question
we brought up yesterday, where the hell has he been
all year? Does he did he need to go through
what he went through to have that performance on Sunday?
And are we I tweeted this today, not that you
give a damn, but we tweeted this. Are we convinced
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now that the curse of Hunger is over based on
one day?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
No, no, no, because I'm not either, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
That's like saying the curse of left field is over
because somebody goes three for four run.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, apparently, according to Chuck, he wants to get
rid of that guy and trade him. He wants to
move Randy a Rose Arena. He'll join us at six
pm and talk about that. But I agree. I mean,
I'm just glad to hear you say that. I'm just
double checking that we're not going to start losing our
freaking mind and you know, proclaiming big olu, let's give
the guy twenty million dollars on one day after one game.
But I mean, I think I think him and I
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think Demon Williams. I mean, both these guys needed to
go through what they went through to get the where
they are now. But let me ask you a question,
would it shock the hell out of anybody of big
old who struggles against Arizona on Sunday. No, and he
has a bad game.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
But I am more encouraged that he was good on
the road against San Francisco no time. I mean, if
this was at home against the Jaguars and then he
was going on the road to San Francisco, I'd have
been like, Okay, I'm taking nothing from this performance, but
I'm taking quite a bit from that performance because of
Huda's against and where they play fair.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Totally fair. I mean, that was a good debut for him,
really good debut. He's got to keep it going. But
I think you feel I think you feel a little
more comfortable now with him than you did maybe a
week ago. But again, it can all come crashing down,
and I'm a negative bastard, so maybe it happens. All right,
We're gonna break testimonials. Coming up next segment. John Wilner
will join us by the way, coming up at five
o'clock tonight. Does he think the Dogs have a shot
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of covering against Mighty Oregon next Saturday at Austin Stadium.
That's a five pm right here on ninety three three
k j R f M
John Wilner joins us at five o'clock. We do have
some audio here we're gonna play in a little bit.
There's this big controversy coming out of San Francisco about
the Seahawks and what happened on the fourth and sixth
play and the subsequent decision by the Seahawks to try
and call consecutive timeouts and how the officials handled all that,
because you can't call consecutive timeouts anymore in the NFL,
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can't even do it in college football. And Greg Papa,
who does the radio for K and BR you heard
him yesterday, was going ballistic on his radio show. I
think he had Mike Pereira from Fox on his show, right.
So we'll get to that in a matter of minutes.
But I'm really curious about what people think is going
to happen in eleven days from now in outsin stadium.
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Oregon is a nineteen and a half point favorite over
you Dub. I've been thinking ever since the PAC twelve
championship game and ever since Camben de Boor left, that
if Oregon can't get you Dubb now, they're never going
to get him.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I think this felt the same way against Wazoo and
the Apple Cup, and that didn't turn out the way
we wanted it to. But I think Oregon, and knowing
Dan Lanning and the way he operates, he's gonna want
to murder Washington. I mean, did you see did you
watch the Ohio State Oregon game? Yes? Did you see
Dan Lanning's reaction after they won the game? It was
like they won the Super Bowl. He was going bananas,
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running off the sideline like Jimmy Valvano, and it was
a huge monkey off his back.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's been accused by a lot of people of not
being able to win the big One. Johnken Zidel mentioned
that when he was on with us, you know, about
half an hour ago you missed that. Hear it again
coming up at six twenty on the radio station. I
think Dan Lanning goes into this game with that same
type of attitude that he's got something to prove, and
I think it's gonna cost him. I think Dan Lanning
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is going to coach with emotion next Saturday at Audstin Stadium.
I don't think Oregon's strength of schedule has been very good.
As a matter of fact, if you look at the
strength of schedule, Index for twenty twenty five for Washington
actually has a stronger so WES than Oregon Ducks, meaning
they've played a stronger schedule than the Oregon Ducks have.
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And I think with the way that Washington ran the
ball with the quarterback spot and their running back spot,
I think it's a it's a magic potion to at
least keep Dylan Gabriel and the Oregon offense on the sideline.
I think you can learn a lot from what Wisconsin
did over the weekend in Madison. I don't think the
Huskies are gonna win the game, but I'm telling you,
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when the fourth quarter starts, if you and I were
sitting there watching the game together, we would look at
each other and go, Huh, this thing ain't over yet.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Interesting. Interesting? Do you say that largely because.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Because I'm but You're not kidding.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You don't always pick your course. You're not Dick Baird,
of course, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Do you think that because you think de Mon Williams
game would and would you feel the same if you
felt will Rogersville?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yes, because I think the Husky defense this is good
enough to keep them in the game. I really do.
I think that this is not going to be the
Penn State style of football that we saw two weeks ago.
I think Oregon's good, but I think last year's team
was better than this team. Oregon's team a year ago
is better than this one is, And I just think
there's not going to be as many guys on that
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team that are playing with the emotion that you'd think
they would because they weren't a part of it last year.
Dylan Gabriel wasn't a part of that a year ago.
He's not angry about the way things went in Vegas
against U Dubs, So I don't know. Maybe I'll change
my mind by Friday of next week, but I just
feel like the Husky defense and the Husky running game
and the way the offensive line is kind of coming around.
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I think these guys will be able to hang with
these guys, and I think they'll cover. Now, again, most
people may not even give a damn if they cover.
Maybe they lose by eighteen, maybe they're down by twenty
five and they score a late touchdown to get a
back door cover. But I think the Huskies will cover
the twenty against Oregon, and I think there's a good
chance that by the time the fourth quarter starts, you're
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gonna feel like these guys are in the game. I
just think demon crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Uh No, I don't think you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I would lean.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I would lean slightly towards the Huskies not legitimately being
in the game, I think being in the fourth quarter,
but that I don't think it's going to be a
blowout either.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Right, I don't think down, I.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Mean down two touchdowns without the ball, right, And that
doesn't really feel like you're in the game. I guess
technically it is. That's kind of how I feel that
the game is going to go. But DeMont Williams is
so hard to prepare for. I mean, if you just
think of the quarterbacks in college football and the NFL
that are the hardest to prepare for. I mean, look,
DeMont Williams has to be one of the hardest quarterbacks
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in all of college football to prepare for because he
adds an element that almost no other quarterback in the
country has. The escapability element of DeMont Williams is absolutely ridiculous.
The speed around the corner of DeMont Williams is absolutely
probably unmatched.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
In college football amongst quarterback.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, is there a faster quarterback in college football
on the hoof than Damon Williams. If there is, there's
very very few of them, and that will always keep
you in the game.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The question is is he gonna make freshman mistakes? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But will Rogers made freshman mistakes as a senior, So
I mean, I guess that the mistake part is probably
a wash. And what Washington gets is that unpredictability that
you just can't prepare for. And yet I don't think
you can rush the quarterback with as much fury when
you don't have a potted.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Plant back then.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And guy, I mean you rush guys like Lamar Jackson,
you really kind of have to play zone because what
happens when you when you rush, what happens when you
play man a man against Lamar Jackson and you send
an extra guy. I mean, that's a guaranteed fifteen yard
or more run by Lamar Jackson. I think it could
be the same for Demon Williams.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I just my only concern about Demond is we haven't
seen him start a game ever, right, and all of
these situations he's come into have been I don't want
to say no pressure because that's ridiculous. There's always some
kind of pressure. There was a little pressure last week.
That game was not over, absolutely, but you're still replacing
a guy that had basically just thrown three interceptions, and
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you're like, go out there and just see what you
can do. Right, It wasn't like you were asking him
from the start to win the game. Now you're asking
him from the start to win the game, and you're
asking to do it against the number one team in
the country who wants blood after what happened in Vegas
a year ago. And there's gonna be some players that
will feel like that. Some players won't feel like that,
Like we said, they weren't even there. But I just
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wonder if Demon Williams is young enough And I'm going
to use this word, and I don't mean it as
an insult, ignorant enough to not know what he's supposed
to be. Ignorans is bliss right of it. Right, He
doesn't know that he's supposed to be freaked out going
to Oregon. He doesn't know that these two teams hate
each other's guts. He doesn't have three years or four
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years of rivalry between him and Oregon players and fans
and social media posts to lean on. Right, he doesn't
have that upbringing the way a Carson Brunner does, for example,
when his dad played for Washington or you know guys
that were on the team a year ago. So I
almost wonder if the ignorance can be a positive for
him going down there next weekend. I think I think
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everything's on the table for Demon Williams. I think playing
really well and fooling the Oregon offense. I mean, I
told you guys the other day that I think Jetfish
should keep his mouth shut. And guess what Jeedfish is doing.
He's keeping his mouth shut. He's not saying anything. There's
no advantage at all, right to Jetfish announcing who starts
a quarterback in this game? None. And it's been it's
been basically four years since we've gone to a game
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and not had any idea pregame who's starting. And I
think for Jetfish that's the right call. Will it make
a difference, maybe not, But just that little one percent
where Oregon's got to prepare for both guys, I think
is a smart move by him.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The last time was the Sam Hewart game.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah right, keep it quiet.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Isn't that the last time we didn't know who was
gonna start?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think most of us knew he was going to start.
I'm trying to remember if they had announced it. I
think they did announce it now that i'd remember. But
either way, it's been a while, right, either way, it's
been a while, and it's smart for him to do
that because you're keeping people guessing. I mean, if it
was the same type of quarterback, maybe it doesn't matter,
but these are two polar opposites as far as the
style of play.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him both
come into the game. I mean, doesn't just because if
you start, demand doesn't mean will can't come in for
a series, right and change things up a little bit.
I mean, de Mont Williams qbr out of one hundred.
I know it's a very small sample size. It's in
the eighty six point nine.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean, he's complete seventy four percent of his passes.
Now they're not downfield, they're mostly short passes. But he's
making good decisions in the passing game, like he did
on that little touchdown pass on the right corner.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean, you know what I thought, honestly against UCLA,
the most impressive throw he made was the fade route
to Denzel Boston that drew the right on the That
was the most impressive throw I had. I thought he
had the entire game. He dropped in the bucket. Yes,
I mean watching him make that throw I thought was
really impressive. But I'm just wondering. Guys, let's just kind
of figure this out now, all right, and again we
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can change our mind next week. We got a whole
bye whatever. If Demon Williams starts the game and he struggles,
do we want jed Fish to stick with him? No
matter what? Is the game over, no matter what. Let's
just say they're down two touchdowns, they're down fourteen, because
you're right, if it's thirty five to zip whatever, forget it,
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get him out, blah blah blah. Or again, maybe you'll
leave him in and just say what the hell? All right,
so let's just live in a world where he's really
really struggling. Maybe your defense is keeping you in the game,
maybe you're getting blown apart. Whatever. Do we approach this
game next Saturday with a Demon Williams? No matter what,
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it's his game, he starts it, he finishes it, and
that's it.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think if it's a good the picture you're painting
to me is the exact scenario we had Friday night,
where your defense is keeping you in the game and
you were playing a team that all you had to
do to win was not hand them the football game,
and your quarterback was handing them the football game. If
that's the case, like if we see through the first half,
like dude, Oregon's having a tough time scoring on Washington,
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Like maybe they have sixteen points at halftime, and they're
leading sixteen to three.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So it's fourteen. It was fourteen to thirteen right when
they pulled uh Will.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Rodgers and he essentially had three interceptions even though only
two counted. If it's like that, I think you might
give Will a shot just to see if he can
settle things, just get something going on offense. But yeah,
if the games, if it's twenty four to three, twenty
seven to six, just just leave him in there and
just kind of let him go through the bumps.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So if you've got a shot, you want to get
him out. If he's playing like Will did said such
s it's ten to three in the third quarter, defense
is playing the balls off, but the offense is doing nothing.
If do you make the switch at halftime and go
back to number seven.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Only if he's handed Oregon the ball multiple times, okay,
like Will. And if he's just not getting anything going,
then I'm okay if he's not making any mistakes. But
Will was making multiple sit mistakes in a row.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But like you said, Will Rogers may have an ability
to stretch the field more than number two Will. And
if that's there, if Jed Fish sees it there, I
don't know. I mean, I think it's a great question. Honestly,
because I'm with you. I think all three of us
are on the same page that I would start demand
Williams next Saturday at Oregon. But I could see somebody saying,
you know what, No, let's go with Will. And if
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Will struggles early, then let's have a quick hook, because
remember they pulled him with like five minutes in the
third quarter last Friday. Let's not wait till five minutes
in the third If it's clearly obvious from the start
that this isn't working, let's get him out. If you
wait till five minutes the third and it's Demon's show,
no matter what's down here thirty If you wait till
five minutes of the third at Oregon. There's a few
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things involved here.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
This First, I think the kid is more mentally damaged
by taking him out a quarter in than if you
leave him in and he gets blown out. That's first
to point. The second point, I'm like Kevin Costner and
Draft Day. I'm noting stick. You know that, says Demond Williams.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Do no't matter what.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Right, I don't care because I look at the game, Mac,
I'm looking at seventy to twenty one back. You know,
a few years ago when we blew out Oregon, they
started Justin Herbert in his first start. He got picked
up by Buddha Baker the first play, right, and we
look at how much of a blowout that game he's
stay in. He stayed in the entire game didn't affect him,
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and it didn't because he turned out to be a
pretty damn good quarterback. So demand Williams. I'm done with
Will Rogers. I am done with Will Rogers. Give me
the demand, Williams should no matter what sounds like, you're
angry at Will Rogers. Are you angry at Will Rogers?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I mean, I'll just say this that there's been some
tone towards him that I had been a little bit
surprised by that. I don't think he deserves to be
totally honest with you. I'm not just saying you, guys,
by the way, I've seen this from a lot of
people that they're like, I'm sick of him. I never
want to see him again. I mean, hell, the postgame show.
You should have heard Mario on the Postgame Show on
Saturdayally he was like enough, he was like disgusted.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well yeah, because like that game he was terrib.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I think it was like that, well, yes, But I
also think that there's a tone and I remember getting
into this with people, maybe even you, when people talked
about Felix Hernandez back in the day, that you get
and look, I'm not saying that Will Rogers is Felix
Hernandez at all. The guy's going to be here for
nine months for crisis. But I think that there's a
point you get to where you know that a guy
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is a good dude, he's a good teammate. You saw
and you saw it too on Friday, right at the game,
because you were there after they pulled him. He could
have been sitting there on the bench, sulking, throwing a fit,
checking his helmet, f this f that he's literally the
only guy that comes off the sideline in the offensive huddle,
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high fiving guys him on the ass, encouraging him on
getting him going. And I was going to video that
and I just couldn't do it. But I was pretty
impressed by that. I think Will Rodgers is a good dude.
I think he's a good teammate. I think he was
putting a bad in a position that at least he
did not expect to be in. We can talk about
whether or it's good for the team or not, but
he did not expect to be in that situation when
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he came here. And I think he's kind of a
mess because of all that.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I don't think really quick, I wasna say I'm done
with Will Rodgers. I'm not done with Will Rogers the person.
I think he's a great person. We've had him on
the air a number of times. It's just it comes
back to the play, so Dick. Sorry, I just wanted
to say it's not personally. When I say that, I
got it. I don't think Will Rogers costs us a
game this year. I would be upset if I thought
Will Rogers cost us a game. But look at the losses.
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I mean the Penn State, he had no shot, Indiana
had no shot. The Rutgers game, he was twenty six
of thirty six three hundred and six yards and two touchdowns.
He didn't cost you the game. The kicking game cost you.
The penalty cost you that.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
How much different is the narrative on Will Rodgers if
they win two of those games and they're.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Seven credit bit quite a bit. I mean the Wazoo game,
he didn't really cost you that one either. He's twenty
three of thirty one for three fourteen in a touchdown. Now,
they ran a terrible play at the end of the game,
but that wasn't really his fault.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So the third of Jiles Jackson that got him in
great play remember that.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, he was just so much better in the September.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
This is what I'm talking about. That the freaking narrative
is like balanced on the blade of a knife.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
If they don't call that ridiculous option against Wazoo, of course,
and they win the game, if Grady Gross makes fuel
goals and they don't get a guy that leaves the
sideline that takes a fuel goal off the board, eight
or a blee, and we got a really different thought
about what happens against Oregon. Guess what nobody's talking about
benching Will Rogers for Oregon. We're just not because you're
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eight and three and you got a shot to maybe
get to ten wins. I mean, and again, look, I'm
not saying that the conversation is wrong to have. I
think you're totally right to talk about starting dem On Williams.
I think it's more than fair to talk about because
it is what it is. It doesn't matter what could
have been. All that matters is what is. And you're five,
you're six and five, and you're you know, a mediocre
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team and you've won how many games, you've won four
games in the Big Ten. You're under five hundred and
the Big Ten. So I get it. This team is
not gonna play for a title. They're not gonna play
for the Big Ten championship. If the goal is to
put these guys in the best spot to have success
next year, then let's start that next Sunday at Autson.
I'm totally with that. But it's just incredible how this
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stuff goes. Man, all right, we're gonna break, We're gonna
hear a little bit from Greg Poppa, who's the voice
of the Niners, whining and crying to Mike Pereira about
the Seahawks finally getting a break from the officiating crew.
Coming up on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:01):
All Right, Tuesday Night, John Wilder coming up five pm
on the radio show. The win over the Niners on
Sunday is kind of the gift that keeps on given,
by the way, because we have a new controversy that
has emerged out of the Bay Area courtesy of our
pal Greg Papa and the flagship station, the Flamethrower known
as K and BR Radio and the Bay Area.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Remember when we could just go on twice a year
and make fun of the Niners because we beat them
all the time.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
That was awesome. Do you remember when you could go
home at night and flip on K and B R
and hear it in sat.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Absolutely Golden State Warriors games ten years old? That, by
the way, Oh yeah, times, yeah, at times, so if.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
You're ever driving around town at like ten o'clock at night,
flip on six eighty eight AM and you might get
K and B, R and C ally.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it doesn't seem as cool now because of streaming,
everybody can get it. I'm saying there's something cool about
flipping on your terrestrial radio, going to six eighty AM
and hearing somebody talk from a thousand miles away.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Because people from the Midwest are like, that's not a
big deal, because in the Midwest you can hear like
forty seven different cities radio signals because there's no mountains
in the way.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, they're they're complaining about the Seahawks apparently getting away
with calling consecutive timeouts. So let's go back and just
set the scene. First of all, so the Niners are winning.
They had a throw to Juwan Jennings on third down,
which the Seahawks were able to keep them from getting
the necessary yardage for the first down marker, and it
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was fourth and six from the Seahawk forty two with
two forty five left to go in the game. There
was a stoppage in play and apparently the Seahawks tried
to call consecutive timeouts. At least that's what the Niners
are saying, and that's what some folks that K and
B are are saying. And they should have been docked
a five yard flag, which would have made it fourth
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and one from the Seahawks thirty seven with two forty
five left to go, in which we all think that
the Niners would have just gone for it at that point, right,
they would have go on for it and maybe been stopped.
I mean, the Hawks tried it twice on third and one,
fourth and one couldn't get it, so nothing is certain.
But the Niner fans are all complaining that, hey, we
should have had the option of going for it on
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fourth and one from the Seahawk thirty seven with two
forty five left to go. Instead, you robbed us of
that potential because you did not dock the Seahawks five
yards for calling consecutive timeouts. Never mind the fact that
the Seahawks got the ball back and shoved it down
your throats and went eighty yards for the game winning touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It's like it's like the Utah fans complaining about the
holding penalty at the ten yard line, Well, how about
stopping BYU from going eighty five yards on you.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
After the penalty. So let's not complain about our defense.
Let's just we have gotten so pathetic down here that
instead of complaining about our actual players, we're gonna bitch
and moan about the officiating. Which, listen, we've done that too, right,
all of us have been there at one time or another.
So Papa, who again is the play by play voice
of the San Francisco forty nine ers, he had Mike
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Pereira on his radio show in San Francisco today and
they talked about it.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Why would Kevin Cody, the line judge, come running in
and stop punt formation if in fact somebody from Seattle
sideline did not call a timeout. Did you get any
clarification on that, Michael?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
It is clear that Seattle asked for a second time out,
and what you are to do and when a team
asked for a timeout when they're not entitled to it,
so either they're out of timeouts or they've already called
one in that same dead ball period, what you do
is ignore it. Now, it didn't get ignored, it got granted,
(20:45):
all right, So what does the rule? Is it simply
a do over at that point because the officials erroneously
granted that, No, it is a five yard penalty even
though the official shouldn't have stopped it. When he does,
then it's a have your penalty, And in reality, instead
of having that fourth and sixth punt, worst case scenario,
(21:06):
I guess is you have a fourth and one part,
which then leads to probably what I would call a
probability of going forward from fourth and one.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Do we know who on the Seattle sideline asked for
the timeout to come from Mike McDonald?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
That makes no difference. It makes no difference.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Do we know who asked for it?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, no, I don't know. I can't. I can't. I
didn't see. I just confirmed that it was a coach
that asked for it.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So they stopped the game?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
They did, Yes, they did.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They stopped the game before the punt, so they essentially
gave the Seahawks the timeout, and I was panicked, and
then I thought when when you saw Mike McDonald's reaction,
I was like, oh my god, we're going to get flagged.
But they never charged him for the timeout, right, So
we kind of got away with one, and we kind
of got away with one twice because we got a
way with not losing five yards, and we got away
(22:03):
with being able to keep a timeout, which they used,
by the way, after Geno's sixteen yard run on second
and thirteen that got the ball down to the nine
or twenty one yard line, and they caught a time
out there. So number one, they should have been out
of timeouts. At number two they should have been docked
five yards, at which point they may have never even
(22:25):
gotten the ball back. So I'll just say this if
I'm in their shoes down there, extremely difficult.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh, they were so close, so close.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm doing the same thing they are. I'm bitching about it,
complaining about it.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, I would like to know.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I know we're not going to know, but I would
like to know who called it, because if it's was
the head coach of the football team and his rookie year,
and he's already had some foibles of sloppiness before. I mean,
that's it's not good. But we're going to give him
the pass on this one. A because we don't know
if he did it, and B they won the football game,
(23:01):
so I'm willing to give McDonald.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The pass on This goes back to our last conversation
last segment where if you lose the game, the narrative
is totally different, and the conversation we're having right now
is totally different. Washington doesn't get a gagillion penalties against Rutgers.
They don't call a ridiculous red zone play on fourth
and one against the Cougars. The conversation is totally different
because you're a seven to win football team and nobody's
(23:24):
talking about benching Will Rogers or playing the freshman. So
if they lose that game, and I think these are
conversations that have to be had, not just here, but
also behind the scenes, because that's the crap you got
to clean up, right because you're lucky it didn't bite
you in the ass on Sunday, And if you keep
it up, it will eventually bite you in the button
(23:44):
and it's gonna cost you a game. Like why are
we having four defenders getting dragged across the markener by
Juwan Jennings on a crucial play in the fourth point?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Why are we having a pass rusher jumping at a
pump fake when brock perty is already he basically across
the line?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I mean, there's just a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Is every single that's true?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Every single you talk about the clock, Jackson Smith and
Jigma on an out route turns around and runs back
into the field of play, costing like twenty seconds.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
On that last draw. You're exactly right. I remember sitting there.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Still mistake after mental mistake by this football team all
year long, and that is coaching.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
No, the Jackson Smith and Jigma is a good one.
I remember watching that thinking the same damn thing, like,
what are you doing? Get out of bounds? Why are
you cutting it back in? Get the hell out of bound?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know Smith the snap, I mean, the snap wasn't good,
but Greg Olson said Geno's got to catch that snap.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I agree, I totally agree with you. I mean, that's
gonna happen. Not every snap is going to be a
bull's eye. And you got a center starting his first game.
I mean, as long as a quarterback doesn't have to
extend his arms and you know, right by his ear right,
I mean the cat catch the ball, that's not an
catchable snap. Look, obviously you're looking for something better out
of big Olu, But I think big Olu deserves more
(25:06):
of a benefit on that day than Gino does because
big Olu was starting his first game. As a Seahaws
and at least he played well, which again the question
we brought up yesterday, where the hell has he been
all year? Does he did he need to go through
what he went through to have that performance on Sunday?
And are we I tweeted this today, not that you
give a damn, but we tweeted this. Are we convinced
(25:28):
now that the curse of Hunger is over based on
one day?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
No, no, no, because I'm not either, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
That's like saying the curse of left field is over
because somebody goes three for four run.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, apparently, according to Chuck, he wants to get
rid of that guy and trade him. He wants to
move Randy a Rose Arena. He'll join us at six
pm and talk about that. But I agree. I mean,
I'm just glad to hear you say that. I'm just
double checking that we're not going to start losing our
freaking mind and you know, proclaiming big olu, let's give
the guy twenty million dollars on one day after one game.
But I mean, I think I think him and I
(26:02):
think Demon Williams. I mean, both these guys needed to
go through what they went through to get the where
they are now. But let me ask you a question,
would it shock the hell out of anybody of big
old who struggles against Arizona on Sunday. No, and he
has a bad game.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
But I am more encouraged that he was good on
the road against San Francisco no time. I mean, if
this was at home against the Jaguars and then he
was going on the road to San Francisco, I'd have
been like, Okay, I'm taking nothing from this performance, but
I'm taking quite a bit from that performance because of
Huda's against and where they play fair.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Totally fair. I mean, that was a good debut for him,
really good debut. He's got to keep it going. But
I think you feel I think you feel a little
more comfortable now with him than you did maybe a
week ago. But again, it can all come crashing down,
and I'm a negative bastard, so maybe it happens. All right,
We're gonna break testimonials. Coming up next segment. John Wilner
will join us by the way, coming up at five
o'clock tonight. Does he think the Dogs have a shot
(26:55):
of covering against Mighty Oregon next Saturday at Austin Stadium.
That's a five pm right here on ninety three three
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