November 20, 2024 • 29 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Petros Papadakis about the Huskies quarterback situation, SEC dominance in the playoff, and WSU, then the guys discuss how college football could reform the playoff format to better the situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 4 (01:30):
Uh well, Husky fans are tearing each other apart up
here in Seattle Peal?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Why, what's the matter? What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You got the Will Rogers camp, You got the demon
Williams camp.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Who do you start?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You saw where you know what happened UCLA. They benched
Will Rogers and they went to demand the kid. He
had three consecutive scoring drives.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You look good.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
He was running around looking like Kyler Murray and vintage
Russell Wilson out.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
There and the kid from Chandler Arizona.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Now, there's a big debate about who the Husky should
start in Austin Stadium next Saturday, in ten days from now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
What would you do?
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Is he just a true freshman? Correct?
Speaker 7 (02:06):
He's eighteen years old? The bash of Bear, that's right,
very interesting And what did Jed the Fish have to
say about.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Jed the Fish said he's not going to tell anybody anything,
which is smart by him.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I'm zipped up. I'm sorry it's.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Too early for that.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think Jedfish desperately wants to tell the world that
Demon Williams is going to start against Oregon. He's already
proclaimed in the face of the program next year for
crying out loud. He's already giving him the starting job
before springball even starts.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I guess he figures that it's time to look to
the future because they're obviously not competing for a Big
Ten championship. Although beating UCLA was good, it's better than losing,
that's right. And they're Bowl eligible, right yep. So these
are things you're going to get to spend Christmas in
El Paso again or something like that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's not gonna happen. No, not a chance in hell.
Well why not.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I'm not spending Christmas in El Paso. They might be
spending Christmas in El Paso, all right, you kidding me,
mister spoil Sport. I'm not going to El Paso for Christmas.
Not a chance in hell.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
El Paso City, Real bron.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
In the West Texas town of El Paso.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, Marty Robbins, it's that song. And then that song
was such a big song. He then later did El
Paso City.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, I'm not going to l Paso for Christmas.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Come on to the Tony Loma bootstore.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know, I am, I am. That's fine, That's fine.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
The point is it's a good thing that uh that
that they won the game. And if the young player
has got a chance to develop, and Jedfish is obviously
not going to jump to another job or anything like that, right,
He's gonna stay and build Washington football and do hopefully
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what he did in Arizona, get him to ten eleven
wins and and and winning big games at the end
of the season. Then then he's probably gonna want to
start playing the young guy. Now does that mean you
should bench Will Rogers altogether? I mean I was calling
a game at the time. I mean, you tell me,
is Will Rogers that bad?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He looked pretty bad Sat Friday? He had a rough
go Friday. He basically threw three interceptions in a row.
The first one he got bailed out because what's the
corner's name, oh, the Daho or whatever. For UCLA Basically
he lowered his head and hit him in the ass
after a throw, and.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So they caught a late hit and so the pick
got laid.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
He got speared in the ass thousand percent by a
cornerback from UCLA that was like hours after the throw
was made, and it took a pick off the board.
So outside of that, he would have thrown three interceptions
in a row.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
So he struck uggle.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
The young guy came in, and it's something for everybody
to be excited about.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Everybody's been kind of like you're getting football, you're getting.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The vibe, right, Yeah, And now Jed the fish can
hang it over Oregon's head like a cudgel until until
when he doesn't have to say anything.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Right, it's not injury related and that's.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Right, that's right, which I think is the smart move,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I wonder how he'll handle it with the television broadcast team,
as long as he tells them who's going to start.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I'm cool you think he should tell them, Yes, absolutely,
unlike Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yes, how about how's that whole cam rising thing worked out?
Speaker 6 (05:35):
How's that? God?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I just wonder if we've seen the last of Kyle
whitting him like, this is it? Well, they have an
interim I mean, or a coach in waiting and Scaley
scale Sorry, Ludwig, we got fired. But uh I like
Scaley a lot, and I think that they'll do well
with him. I think he's a really good guy to
take over if there's such a thing, if it's such
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a hard, hard thing. You know, my coach that recently
passed away, we talked about John Robinson. One of the
things he did that was so impressive was replace a
football icon, legend type of guy, John McKay. And that's
what Calein de Bores attempting to do at Alabama and
having success. I mean, he's in the top five right now.
Right we're here around Thanksgiving, it's cupcake week for the seaside.
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So they played Mercer last weekend. Oh Alabama did so.
They've already had their suites.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And they went up three spots.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Oh, some people like to have a nice suite taste.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Don't you think that's for scrap though? Did they do that?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Look? I mean I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I don't want to say too much about it because
it just we've talked about it for so long because
it's a corporate thing and we're all corporately controlled and
top to bottom, it is a TV show and the
ESPN company Disney basically owns the College Football Playoff and
the rights. Yeah, and they own the SEC. So it's
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it's not pleasant.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
They start pushing for their four loss teams to get
in around Halloween, and you know, I thought Danny Canel
said something really interesting because until we have some kind
of protocol and this is I mean, I'm not all
for college football being exactly like the NFL, you know that, right,
And I'm not all for college football changing itself to
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look like the NFL completely all the time. But there
are some things that you should do, and one of
them is just have an even playing field. Like who
cares if the NFC is better than the AFC, because
that's what the playoffs are every year. And if you
even if your division was the best, you know, there's
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no weird committee to put you in. And we never
like yell and scream about the Super Bowl being you know,
this is rigged by a company, the super Bowl, you know,
I mean, it's it's a it's a true playoff. And
if we're gonna do this and put a whole bunch
of teams in. We got to get rid of the committee.
I mean, it's just so stupid. Nothing ever good, almost
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ever comes out of a committee.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Are you talking about just getting rid of the rankings altogether?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I mean, so how would you decide the twelve teams
in the playoff or that have.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
A protocol to do it? You know, the top two
teams here, get in the top two teams here, this
team whatever, whatever the protocol is to where you don't
need a freaking committee.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Every conference in FBS, you take your top two teams
and that's it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, like whatever, you move on.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Even if there's a third team somewhere else, that's way
better than a conference champion somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Hey, that's your problem. Should have won your conference.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Exactly, like something that we can lean on.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
So, because I thought Danny Knell made a really good
point he said, we're what would the committee know? I mean,
we're all supposed to be experts on this, and most
of us that are experts. Yeah, they get paid on
TV to talk about the game while the teams are playing.
We're we pick it about five hundred right now, you know,
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I mean all the bet online guys and all that
I mean, what does the committee know that?
Speaker 6 (09:13):
And then it just leaves the whole thing up for they.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Honestly, what do they know that?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Like you and I don't know nothing right right or
or or or or anybody.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not talking and stage any five
star hotel.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
They have to have limos driving them around.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
They're all drinking kettle one dirty martinis.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
It's you know, I.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Mean, it's you're exactly right, Like they don't have any
inside information that we don't have.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Hell, I don't know how we got off on this tangent,
but yes, everybody should play and and and even if
they're still going to be a committee, because God knows,
from your cold dead hand, will we rip that martini away?
Miss or mister ex athletic direct for this stupid Poda
kicker school. I hope you're enjoying the four seasons in
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New York. I mean, even if we're still going to
have a committee, for God's sakes, can we limit cupcake
week to September the month of September? And can we
all play the same amount of conference games?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I mean can we start there? And the answer is obvious,
The answer is no, because the SEC doesn't want to.
And they're connected to ESPN, which is connected to the playoff,
which is connected to my.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Sorry Petros, Papa doc is with us.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Oh, cupcake week does continue in the SEC. By the way,
this week, Caitlin had mercer a week ago, but Arkansas
has got Luisiana Tech. South Carolina's got waffered.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
It's like a buffet.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Hey, by the way, you didn't even really answer the
question about Demon Williams and will Rogers.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Uh would you start the eighteen year old? Is that
what you would do?
Speaker 8 (11:06):
Man?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I guess I would, But it's kind of sucks that
guy transferred in for you to be your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, and is he getting paid. He's getting Yes, Yes,
he's doing.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
It's cool, he's getting paid.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's fine. Well, but we're talking about you know, just take.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That money down to the pike and get a nice
bloody mary and fish and chips and look.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
At the sound.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He can do a lot more than that. He's actually
a great dude. You should have seen him after he
got benched on Friday night. He was out there like
hooting and hollering, you know, giving his teammates encouragement, slapping
high fives, doing all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So these guys, these guys have been around and they know.
It's not if it's when you know somebody's gonna take
your job or you're gonna get hurt or something like that.
It's the And now that these guys are getting paid,
I don't feel as bad as I used to, like,
oh god.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well but it's more than money though. Man, It's about
the opportunity.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Okay, yes it is.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
It is about the opportunity and the camaraderie.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
This ain't air force, all right? What else you were talking?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Hey, speaking of air force? God, they kicked the crap
out of the beafs. Did you see what Dickard said,
by the way the other day?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, that was that was interesting. But he's right, I mean,
everybody's right. They would have left, just like the Oregon
and Washington people were all bent out of shape when
USC and U c l A bounced the big ten
and then they caught the next train.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's not true. Nobody was bent out of shape when U.
C l A and US he took off. Everyone everyone
just said, now we're just it's every man for himself.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well, yeah, people.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Were pretty better out of shape, softie. I mean we
could go back and look at him. All right, fine,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're like my wife, you know,
don't tell a woman to calm down. Oh no, you
were pretty bent out of shape. Oh my god. I
did not act like a bitch. When they left, I said,
good for them. Now we gotta go out and do
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the same thing.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Check the tape. It's making stuff up.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Man, people look Arizona, Arizona State. Everybody was kind of
had their their crooked puzzo over seu UCLA leaving because
I have a crooked poots about it, in hindsight, ruined
the conference. But that being said, you know, everybody was
able to jump off and do what they wanted, except
for those two. And they're sitting on a pile of
cash and bitching at each other, and they're gonna play
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each other twice next year, for God's that's right.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Well, I just love what he said there eight. They're
not our buddy. He's not my buddy.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I mean they're trying to, you know, act like they're
just locking arms, you know, walking down the you know,
highway of college football, showing people the way things need
to be done.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
They're pissed because they lost in college football purgatory Albuquerque.
New Mexico called the game, and it was glorious. It
was glorious. I mean, I'll tell you what, Bronco Menden
Hall is an inspirational football figure. I don't care what
anybody says about him. I cannot believe that he is
doing things at New Mexico that means they're playing actual,
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meaningful games for them in November.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
It is amazing.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
And their offense is completely flipped. They have like a
two hundred yard rusher from quarterback and running back in
every game in the last month and a half. They've exploded.
And it's just having done some New Mexico games and
seeing how much they've struggled and what a lack of
history of success they have at all. It was amazing
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to see that. And they were coming close to doing
that to somebody, and Washington State was right for it
because they only barely survived at Fresno, they only barely
survived at San Diego State, you know, taking advantage of
the opposite team's mistakes, and it finally caught up to
him out in Albuquerque.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I haven't been to Albuquerque in a long time.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Not quite a lot Las Crusis jail. But not have
you been to a Los Crusis jail?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
I have not?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You ever been in jail? No, I don't believe so
well you remember I have not? Do you think you remember? Well?
I may have been in prison, but I'm not, sir, prison,
a jail or two different? I do I get that.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Okay, you've never spent a minute in the clink, ever,
I did?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I have not. Okay, well, I'm more badass. I feel
like that you've said that I've got I'm more badass
than you because I spent time in the clink.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I've always thought of you as that yeah, hard ass right,
kind of like a counterculture Jewish guy, like the leather,
maybe like a pony ball on the top, but like
a ponytail in the back. Oh go, like some fingerless gloves,
like one of the guys in Over the Top, you
know that would arm wrestle.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
With the bone. I actually did wear those fingerless clubs.
When I was in high school.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
We put our jerseys on Fridays before home games. I
walk around, you have my jersey, I wim I fingered
his gloves just thinking I was badass.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now I just look like a d bag.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I think you look great. Soft.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
No, I did look like a d bag. I know
I look great now. Good God.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Who do you think wins the Organ Stain Wazoo game
over the weekend?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I think was will beat him. WASH's got John Mattier
is the great engineer. He's a great player, and there's
no doubt about it. He's one of the best quarterbacks
I've seen play in a while. And he's much more
impactful there at that position than cam Ward was, I
believe it or not.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It's fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Well, he's got much easier schedule than cam Ward did.
Number one, But yeah, you're right, he seems to be,
you know, more well liked and a better teammate and
leader and all that. But did you hear the story
that there's a report out that somebody already approached Matier
with a million dollar off in a transfer. I mean,
that's but that's what we're talking about, though, Petrov. So
you talked about changing the rankings and are changing the
way they do the playoffs and all that. How about
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changing the way you let people contact players during the season, Like,
what the hell is that all about?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
If you're the Pac twelve pay the million dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
The conference should pay it, right somebody, I mean, at
what point, like, I mean, think about it. Not a
bad I mean, I'm just I don't know where this
is going. I mean, this is also stupid. None of
us could have imagined this ten years ago, even though
we predicted it. But you can't imagine it and think
about it. Let's say that I don't know who's the
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best player in the Big ten right now.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Who's a young player?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't know, Maybe Demon Williams, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Okay, Let's say Demon one guy yet lights the world
on fire next year, and and the Alabama's going to
pay him two million dollars to come over to Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes, yes, what's.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
To stop Fox from saying no, no, he's not going
we make too much money, you know? Or like if
Shadur was, you know, two years younger and he wasn't
going to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Who's got the Big twelve rights?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Is that?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Fox?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Fox?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And okay? Right? Yeah, so it's interesting. I mean Fox
basically owns the Big ten already.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, I've said that it's Yah versus right, So if
they're if they're gonna benefit the most. Then you're absolutely
right they should be, and the schools are getting TV
money already. I guess the question would be do the networks?
I mean, they have the right to do whatever they want.
I guess, but is it is?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It? Is? It? Is it fair?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Is it all above board for the networks to be
helping one team and not another?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
None of it above board?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
It was I'm trying to tell you it was a
good idea, all right, really good idea. All right, we
got to run good stuff, all right, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Get rid of me.
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Speaker 3 (19:19):
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Speaker 4 (19:21):
Hey, what'd you make of Petros's idea of having conferences
step in and provide the funds so teams can keep
their best players?
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That idea?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I thought you meant that you had a couple of
commit I thought you meant to get rid of the
committee idea. And not every team have their top two
teams make the playoffs. It is that idea. I love Petros,
but that idea was not a good one.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know, like the idea why not?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Because the SEC's third place team is almost every single
year going to be better than the second place team
from the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
So what?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Sometimes there's teams in baseball that don't make the playoffs.
So there's teams in the NCAA tournament that don't make
the tournament or the NFL that don't make the playoffs.
I mean sometimes it happens like that, right, I mean,
how often do the top sixty eight teams in college
basketball actually make the NCAA Tournament?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Never?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
But the top forty always do?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
All right? But still somebody's getting left out. Somebody's getting
left out.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Somewhere right right and thinking that they got hosed by
a worst team. I mean, look, I don't know how
you go about doing this until you just simply get
rid of the amount of teams that are playing for
a national title, meaning thirty five, forty fifty teams whatever,
and not one hundred and twenty whatever it is now, right,
there's just way too many teams. There's teams that have
no shot whatsoever that are playing for a national championship.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So it's which is where we're headed, right right?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
If it's just about.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I do, if it's just about the SEC and the
Big Ten, which would be in the end, how many
teams are in the SEC?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right now? There's eighteen in the Big ten?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Two?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
How many teams in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Out the same I don't have the same thing.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
As three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve.
They've got sixteen teams. Okay, So let's just say you
added two more, right, and you made it thirty six
teams that play for a national.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Title Clemson in Florida state whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
So maybe may maybe we find four more and you
make a forty, right, and they're just forty teams, and
you got four ten team conferences, right, and the top
two teams from each conference end up going to the playoff.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's it. You don't win your division or your conference.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And for a second, then sorry, I mean, we're still
associating a lot of a lot of value to the
conference championship because they're still playing them.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Right, But what we're what we're doing there is we're
saying a third place team has no shot. And where
the NFL and the NBA and Major League Baseball all
say the third place team has a shot if they
have as good enough record, and would not be doing
that in this scenario.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, you would not be in real Well look in
the end, if we just looked at all the conferences
and you said it, right, the top two teams get
to go. Obviously, you can't have the top two teams
from every conference because there'd be like twenty five teams
in the playoff. Right, It's the American, the ACC, the
Big Twelve, the Big Ten Conference, USAY, the MAC, the
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Mountain West, the Pac twelve, the SEC, the Sunbolt is stupid, right,
But if we just took the Big four and just
said all right, the top two teams and each of
the Big four get to go. But you have an
eight team playoff, I mean, somebody's gonna get screwed.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But how would you do it?
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Honestly, Like, how would you set up a playoff outside
of the way you're doing it right now?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I think it's as close to perfect as it can be.
I may expand it to sixteen and then call it good,
but you can't cause cause you don't have four equal
conferences right now, and you're never gonna have four equal
conference right So I am not gonna give a second
place Big twelve spot away to a team that may
or may not deserve it every year, where we know
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in the Big ten and in the SEC second place
team always deserves to be in the term.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I just think again the matter of deserves.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I mean, if you don't win your conference, are finished
in second place in your conference, then what do you deserve? Like,
are we gonna not put more importance on winning a
conference and we're just gonna grab what we think are
the top fifteen sixteen teams in college football? And if
that's the case, then what's the point of having a
conference title game?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What's the point of having conferences? Period?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I'm with you there, and I don't think we necessarily
need conferences, and I'm not sure we're gonna have conferences
down the road. I think what you just painted a
forty ish team NFL style league is going to be
with a West Division and a South Division and a
Midwest Division and an East Division is probably going to
be close to what we have. And that eliminates then
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the travel issues too, because the Western division of the
Super Conference is essentially gonna be the Pac Eight, so
you're gonna have You're not gonna have travel issues.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
As much with the implication of pro rel because new
promotion relegation where you have teams on the outside who
were able to get into the league, the Big League,
and that's that's the way Europe's done it for decades
and it works.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Why don't we just do it here.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I always love that idea. I always love because that
it gives Washington State a chance. Yeah, it gives the
Cougar's a chance to be at the party.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Exactly. Well, okay, but here's the problem with this. And
I like how you say pro rel right, like that's
the way they do it in Europe. By the way,
pro rell just call it promotion regulation. Why do we
have why do we have to say, why do we
have to always do things the way they do things
in Europe? Because they do it right, they do they
do Really, there's not there's no tournament in the Premier
League at all. It's just the regular season and that's
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it and the best team gets. There's no there's no
playoff there at all, Dick. They don't do anything all right, Well, okay,
so is it playoffs or is it just the regular season?
Because I'm hearing two different things from you people over here. Well, people,
I don't think that we should sit around and bend
over and just say because And I hate how the
MLS does that. I hate how socer fans in this
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country start talking like they live in London because that's
the way they do things in England, or that's the
way they do things in Germany.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
Now we do things our ways America. Jack, Okay, here's
the thing, though, we do the same thing. MS is
the best of both rules because they also have a
regular season title, the Supporter Shield. The Sounders have won that,
and then they have a playoffs. We do it both ways.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
I will say, Oh God, teams Supporter Shield best teams
in Europe who then win their leagues go into a playoffs.
It's called the Champions League. They have playoffs the same
way we do.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know we're doing now, we're doing the uh. We're
doing the uh. The the way they do things in
Europe by doing the stupid NBA in season tournament thing
that they're doing. When they do that kind of stuff
over there too.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
By the way they paint the do they paint the
paint the pitches over there? Did you see the did
you see the Shrek colored or Flubber colored sect court
last night? Stupid got somebody exploded shrack.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I heard Brandon Sprague on with Ian today talking about
the tournament UH and the Blazers of like, I guess
they won a game or whatever, Like, does anybody care?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Does anybody care about this NBA in season tournament? I
don't at all. Maybe you had a team, we'd care.
I don't think we would. I think it's dumb.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
I would if we have the Sonics and they played,
all care because I Sounders playing the Open Cup mid
season tournament, and I care about that.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
It's all care When the Songs playing.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
The Lakers won the NBA in season tournament last year. Yes,
did they even make the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
They did?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Did they fit? Did they get pass the first round? Okay,
so what do they give a damn? Did they raise
a banner for that?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Back there? They cared? Yeah, they cared. I mean, they
cared about it.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Some of that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean, obviously the obviously the Lakers cared about it
because they played so much better during the NBA Cup
than they did during the rest of the regular season.
They played Anthony Davis more minutes. They just they just
cared about it more so. I mean, I guess if
the players what the NBA is trying to do, because
they've heard all this rightful criticism about how long their
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season is and about resting players and all that sort
of stuff, like, okay, well, maybe at least we can
make a few games during the regular season, right, more
important than the rest of the games during the regular season,
and have people care. And I think that, at least
from the players standpoint, they've tried to win these games more.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But okay, if the players tried to win the games more,
then why did the Lakers win the tournament? Why did
a team that barely made the playoffs and got thumped
by Denver in the first round. Clearly not one of
the best teams in the NBA. If the players care
about the tournament, then why didn't Denver win the thing?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Because the Lakers were talented enough with old bodies to
play really well over a short period of time, okay,
and they were not well enough to play over a
long period of time. And I thought, I actually thought
they were going to have a shot in the in
the in the playoffs. But the playoffs were four and
a half months after the NBA Cup, and they'd already
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played eighty two games, and they didn't have the juice
that they had in November.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Okay, summer Dick, I could buy that if the Lakers
were like one of the top seven or eight teams
in the NBA year ago, they weren't even close to
one of the top seven or NBA teams a year
ago when it was all said and done, and they
won the What about Boston?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
What about OKC?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
What about Minnesota, the Clippers, Dallas, the Knicks, Milwaukee, the Pelicans.
None of these teams won that thing. I don't think
the players care as much as you think they do.
I think a big reason why the Lakers won the
NBA In season tournament last year is because nobody gave
a damn and that's why they want it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
And because they're the only team in the game, is
what you're saying, which could be yeah, you're saying, they're
the only team that we gave a damn.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I don't think anybody really cared about it, and the
Lakers just stepped in and got it done. I mean,
you're right about Lebron's gonna be better in November than
he is in April, for sure, because he's a gagillion
years old.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But do the fans care about this stuff?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I mean, the point that Petros made that I want
to talk about we'll do it coming up with five
to twenty eight is the idea of conferences stepping into
hell help out their teams, keep their star players right. So,
like if DeMont Williams kills it next year and gets
approached by you know, Alabama, and they're offering five million
dollars with a big ten in Fox saying you know what,
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here's six million bucks to stay here for one more
year because we benefit from you being on the field.
And if the conferences are going to do that, they
have to do it for everybody. Can they cherry pick
which teams they want to help and which teams they
don't want to help?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Should the conferences and should the networks be.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Stepping in helping these teams keep these players where they are?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
What if? What IF's? What if UCLA come to demand
Williams with two million dollars a year? Right, whose responsibility
is it for the Big ten to support Washington or Ucla?
They're both in the conference.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Let's let's discuss that coming up at five twenty eight.
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Speaker 4 (01:30):
Uh well, Husky fans are tearing each other apart up
here in Seattle Peal?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Why, what's the matter? What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You got the Will Rogers camp, You got the demon
Williams camp.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Who do you start?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You saw where you know what happened UCLA. They benched
Will Rogers and they went to demand the kid. He
had three consecutive scoring drives.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You look good.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
He was running around looking like Kyler Murray and vintage
Russell Wilson out.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
There and the kid from Chandler Arizona.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Now, there's a big debate about who the Husky should
start in Austin Stadium next Saturday, in ten days from now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
What would you do?
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Is he just a true freshman? Correct?
Speaker 7 (02:06):
He's eighteen years old? The bash of Bear, that's right,
very interesting And what did Jed the Fish have to
say about.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Jed the Fish said he's not going to tell anybody anything,
which is smart by him.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I'm zipped up. I'm sorry it's.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Too early for that.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think Jedfish desperately wants to tell the world that
Demon Williams is going to start against Oregon. He's already
proclaimed in the face of the program next year for
crying out loud. He's already giving him the starting job
before springball even starts.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I guess he figures that it's time to look to
the future because they're obviously not competing for a Big
Ten championship. Although beating UCLA was good, it's better than losing,
that's right. And they're Bowl eligible, right yep. So these
are things you're going to get to spend Christmas in
El Paso again or something like that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's not gonna happen. No, not a chance in hell.
Well why not.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I'm not spending Christmas in El Paso. They might be
spending Christmas in El Paso, all right, you kidding me,
mister spoil Sport. I'm not going to El Paso for Christmas.
Not a chance in hell.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
El Paso City, Real bron.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
In the West Texas town of El Paso.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, Marty Robbins, it's that song. And then that song
was such a big song. He then later did El
Paso City.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, I'm not going to l Paso for Christmas.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Come on to the Tony Loma bootstore.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know, I am, I am. That's fine, That's fine.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
The point is it's a good thing that uh that
that they won the game. And if the young player
has got a chance to develop, and Jedfish is obviously
not going to jump to another job or anything like that, right,
He's gonna stay and build Washington football and do hopefully
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what he did in Arizona, get him to ten eleven
wins and and and winning big games at the end
of the season. Then then he's probably gonna want to
start playing the young guy. Now does that mean you
should bench Will Rogers altogether? I mean I was calling
a game at the time. I mean, you tell me,
is Will Rogers that bad?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He looked pretty bad Sat Friday? He had a rough
go Friday. He basically threw three interceptions in a row.
The first one he got bailed out because what's the
corner's name, oh, the Daho or whatever. For UCLA Basically
he lowered his head and hit him in the ass
after a throw, and.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So they caught a late hit and so the pick
got laid.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
He got speared in the ass thousand percent by a
cornerback from UCLA that was like hours after the throw
was made, and it took a pick off the board.
So outside of that, he would have thrown three interceptions
in a row.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
So he struck uggle.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
The young guy came in, and it's something for everybody
to be excited about.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Everybody's been kind of like you're getting football, you're getting.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The vibe, right, Yeah, And now Jed the fish can
hang it over Oregon's head like a cudgel until until
when he doesn't have to say anything.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Right, it's not injury related and that's.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Right, that's right, which I think is the smart move,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I wonder how he'll handle it with the television broadcast team,
as long as he tells them who's going to start.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I'm cool you think he should tell them, Yes, absolutely,
unlike Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yes, how about how's that whole cam rising thing worked out?
Speaker 6 (05:35):
How's that? God?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I just wonder if we've seen the last of Kyle
whitting him like, this is it? Well, they have an
interim I mean, or a coach in waiting and Scaley
scale Sorry, Ludwig, we got fired. But uh I like
Scaley a lot, and I think that they'll do well
with him. I think he's a really good guy to
take over if there's such a thing, if it's such
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a hard, hard thing. You know, my coach that recently
passed away, we talked about John Robinson. One of the
things he did that was so impressive was replace a
football icon, legend type of guy, John McKay. And that's
what Calein de Bores attempting to do at Alabama and
having success. I mean, he's in the top five right now.
Right we're here around Thanksgiving, it's cupcake week for the seaside.
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So they played Mercer last weekend. Oh Alabama did so.
They've already had their suites.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And they went up three spots.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Oh, some people like to have a nice suite taste.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Don't you think that's for scrap though? Did they do that?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Look? I mean I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I don't want to say too much about it because
it just we've talked about it for so long because
it's a corporate thing and we're all corporately controlled and
top to bottom, it is a TV show and the
ESPN company Disney basically owns the College Football Playoff and
the rights. Yeah, and they own the SEC. So it's
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it's not pleasant.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
They start pushing for their four loss teams to get
in around Halloween, and you know, I thought Danny Canel
said something really interesting because until we have some kind
of protocol and this is I mean, I'm not all
for college football being exactly like the NFL, you know that, right,
And I'm not all for college football changing itself to
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look like the NFL completely all the time. But there
are some things that you should do, and one of
them is just have an even playing field. Like who
cares if the NFC is better than the AFC, because
that's what the playoffs are every year. And if you
even if your division was the best, you know, there's
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no weird committee to put you in. And we never
like yell and scream about the Super Bowl being you know,
this is rigged by a company, the super Bowl, you know,
I mean, it's it's a it's a true playoff. And
if we're gonna do this and put a whole bunch
of teams in. We got to get rid of the committee.
I mean, it's just so stupid. Nothing ever good, almost
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ever comes out of a committee.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Are you talking about just getting rid of the rankings altogether?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I mean, so how would you decide the twelve teams
in the playoff or that have.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
A protocol to do it? You know, the top two
teams here, get in the top two teams here, this
team whatever, whatever the protocol is to where you don't
need a freaking committee.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Every conference in FBS, you take your top two teams
and that's it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, like whatever, you move on.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Even if there's a third team somewhere else, that's way
better than a conference champion somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Hey, that's your problem. Should have won your conference.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Exactly, like something that we can lean on.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
So, because I thought Danny Knell made a really good
point he said, we're what would the committee know? I mean,
we're all supposed to be experts on this, and most
of us that are experts. Yeah, they get paid on
TV to talk about the game while the teams are playing.
We're we pick it about five hundred right now, you know,
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I mean all the bet online guys and all that
I mean, what does the committee know that?
Speaker 6 (09:13):
And then it just leaves the whole thing up for they.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Honestly, what do they know that?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Like you and I don't know nothing right right or
or or or or anybody.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not talking and stage any five
star hotel.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
They have to have limos driving them around.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
They're all drinking kettle one dirty martinis.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
It's you know, I.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Mean, it's you're exactly right, Like they don't have any
inside information that we don't have.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Hell, I don't know how we got off on this tangent,
but yes, everybody should play and and and even if
they're still going to be a committee, because God knows,
from your cold dead hand, will we rip that martini away?
Miss or mister ex athletic direct for this stupid Poda
kicker school. I hope you're enjoying the four seasons in
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New York. I mean, even if we're still going to
have a committee, for God's sakes, can we limit cupcake
week to September the month of September? And can we
all play the same amount of conference games?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I mean can we start there? And the answer is obvious,
The answer is no, because the SEC doesn't want to.
And they're connected to ESPN, which is connected to the playoff,
which is connected to my.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Sorry Petros, Papa doc is with us.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Oh, cupcake week does continue in the SEC. By the way,
this week, Caitlin had mercer a week ago, but Arkansas
has got Luisiana Tech. South Carolina's got waffered.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
It's like a buffet.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Hey, by the way, you didn't even really answer the
question about Demon Williams and will Rogers.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Uh would you start the eighteen year old? Is that
what you would do?
Speaker 8 (11:06):
Man?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I guess I would, But it's kind of sucks that
guy transferred in for you to be your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, and is he getting paid. He's getting Yes, Yes,
he's doing.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
It's cool, he's getting paid.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's fine. Well, but we're talking about you know, just take.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That money down to the pike and get a nice
bloody mary and fish and chips and look.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
At the sound.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He can do a lot more than that. He's actually
a great dude. You should have seen him after he
got benched on Friday night. He was out there like
hooting and hollering, you know, giving his teammates encouragement, slapping
high fives, doing all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So these guys, these guys have been around and they know.
It's not if it's when you know somebody's gonna take
your job or you're gonna get hurt or something like that.
It's the And now that these guys are getting paid,
I don't feel as bad as I used to, like,
oh god.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well but it's more than money though. Man, It's about
the opportunity.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Okay, yes it is.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
It is about the opportunity and the camaraderie.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
This ain't air force, all right? What else you were talking?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Hey, speaking of air force? God, they kicked the crap
out of the beafs. Did you see what Dickard said,
by the way the other day?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, that was that was interesting. But he's right, I mean,
everybody's right. They would have left, just like the Oregon
and Washington people were all bent out of shape when
USC and U c l A bounced the big ten
and then they caught the next train.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's not true. Nobody was bent out of shape when U.
C l A and US he took off. Everyone everyone
just said, now we're just it's every man for himself.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well, yeah, people.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Were pretty better out of shape, softie. I mean we
could go back and look at him. All right, fine,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're like my wife, you know,
don't tell a woman to calm down. Oh no, you
were pretty bent out of shape. Oh my god. I
did not act like a bitch. When they left, I said,
good for them. Now we gotta go out and do
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the same thing.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Check the tape. It's making stuff up.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Man, people look Arizona, Arizona State. Everybody was kind of
had their their crooked puzzo over seu UCLA leaving because
I have a crooked poots about it, in hindsight, ruined
the conference. But that being said, you know, everybody was
able to jump off and do what they wanted, except
for those two. And they're sitting on a pile of
cash and bitching at each other, and they're gonna play
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each other twice next year, for God's that's right.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Well, I just love what he said there eight. They're
not our buddy. He's not my buddy.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I mean they're trying to, you know, act like they're
just locking arms, you know, walking down the you know,
highway of college football, showing people the way things need
to be done.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
They're pissed because they lost in college football purgatory Albuquerque.
New Mexico called the game, and it was glorious. It
was glorious. I mean, I'll tell you what, Bronco Menden
Hall is an inspirational football figure. I don't care what
anybody says about him. I cannot believe that he is
doing things at New Mexico that means they're playing actual,
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meaningful games for them in November.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
It is amazing.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
And their offense is completely flipped. They have like a
two hundred yard rusher from quarterback and running back in
every game in the last month and a half. They've exploded.
And it's just having done some New Mexico games and
seeing how much they've struggled and what a lack of
history of success they have at all. It was amazing
(14:28):
to see that. And they were coming close to doing
that to somebody, and Washington State was right for it
because they only barely survived at Fresno, they only barely
survived at San Diego State, you know, taking advantage of
the opposite team's mistakes, and it finally caught up to
him out in Albuquerque.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I haven't been to Albuquerque in a long time.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Not quite a lot Las Crusis jail. But not have
you been to a Los Crusis jail?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
I have not?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You ever been in jail? No, I don't believe so
well you remember I have not? Do you think you remember? Well?
I may have been in prison, but I'm not, sir, prison,
a jail or two different? I do I get that.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Okay, you've never spent a minute in the clink, ever,
I did?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I have not. Okay, well, I'm more badass. I feel
like that you've said that I've got I'm more badass
than you because I spent time in the clink.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I've always thought of you as that yeah, hard ass right,
kind of like a counterculture Jewish guy, like the leather,
maybe like a pony ball on the top, but like
a ponytail in the back. Oh go, like some fingerless gloves,
like one of the guys in Over the Top, you
know that would arm wrestle.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
With the bone. I actually did wear those fingerless clubs.
When I was in high school.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
We put our jerseys on Fridays before home games. I
walk around, you have my jersey, I wim I fingered
his gloves just thinking I was badass.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now I just look like a d bag.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I think you look great. Soft.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
No, I did look like a d bag. I know
I look great now. Good God.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Who do you think wins the Organ Stain Wazoo game
over the weekend?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I think was will beat him. WASH's got John Mattier
is the great engineer. He's a great player, and there's
no doubt about it. He's one of the best quarterbacks
I've seen play in a while. And he's much more
impactful there at that position than cam Ward was, I
believe it or not.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It's fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Well, he's got much easier schedule than cam Ward did.
Number one, But yeah, you're right, he seems to be,
you know, more well liked and a better teammate and
leader and all that. But did you hear the story
that there's a report out that somebody already approached Matier
with a million dollar off in a transfer. I mean,
that's but that's what we're talking about, though, Petrov. So
you talked about changing the rankings and are changing the
way they do the playoffs and all that. How about
(16:54):
changing the way you let people contact players during the season, Like,
what the hell is that all about?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
If you're the Pac twelve pay the million dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
The conference should pay it, right somebody, I mean, at
what point, like, I mean, think about it. Not a
bad I mean, I'm just I don't know where this
is going. I mean, this is also stupid. None of
us could have imagined this ten years ago, even though
we predicted it. But you can't imagine it and think
about it. Let's say that I don't know who's the
(17:24):
best player in the Big ten right now.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Who's a young player?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't know, Maybe Demon Williams, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Okay, Let's say Demon one guy yet lights the world
on fire next year, and and the Alabama's going to
pay him two million dollars to come over to Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes, yes, what's.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
To stop Fox from saying no, no, he's not going
we make too much money, you know? Or like if
Shadur was, you know, two years younger and he wasn't
going to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Who's got the Big twelve rights?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Is that?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Fox?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Fox?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And okay? Right? Yeah, so it's interesting. I mean Fox
basically owns the Big ten already.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, I've said that it's Yah versus right, So if
they're if they're gonna benefit the most. Then you're absolutely
right they should be, and the schools are getting TV
money already. I guess the question would be do the networks?
I mean, they have the right to do whatever they want.
I guess, but is it is?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It? Is? It? Is it fair?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Is it all above board for the networks to be
helping one team and not another?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
None of it above board?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
It was I'm trying to tell you it was a
good idea, all right, really good idea. All right, we
got to run good stuff, all right, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Get rid of me.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
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Speaker 8 (18:58):
All right?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Kevin Harlan joins us at five tax the audios coming
got four, nine, four, five forty five This afternoon is
Earl Thomas, Well, someone a Hall of famer. Sometimes I
get my Mario Bailey and my Earl Thomas mixed up.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
A little bit can be similar.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Come on, come man, come on, man, Paul does it
better than me, the photographer over at Como.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
He's just a great earl. Thomas.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Hey, what'd you make of Petros's idea of having conferences
step in and provide the funds so teams can keep
their best players?
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That idea?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I thought you meant that you had a couple of
commit I thought you meant to get rid of the
committee idea. And not every team have their top two
teams make the playoffs. It is that idea. I love Petros,
but that idea was not a good one.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know, like the idea why not?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Because the SEC's third place team is almost every single
year going to be better than the second place team
from the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
So what?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Sometimes there's teams in baseball that don't make the playoffs.
So there's teams in the NCAA tournament that don't make
the tournament or the NFL that don't make the playoffs.
I mean sometimes it happens like that, right, I mean,
how often do the top sixty eight teams in college
basketball actually make the NCAA Tournament?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Never?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
But the top forty always do?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
All right? But still somebody's getting left out. Somebody's getting
left out.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Somewhere right right and thinking that they got hosed by
a worst team. I mean, look, I don't know how
you go about doing this until you just simply get
rid of the amount of teams that are playing for
a national title, meaning thirty five, forty fifty teams whatever,
and not one hundred and twenty whatever it is now, right,
there's just way too many teams. There's teams that have
no shot whatsoever that are playing for a national championship.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So it's which is where we're headed, right right?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
If it's just about.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I do, if it's just about the SEC and the
Big Ten, which would be in the end, how many
teams are in the SEC?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right now? There's eighteen in the Big ten?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Two?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
How many teams in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Out the same I don't have the same thing.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
As three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve.
They've got sixteen teams. Okay, So let's just say you
added two more, right, and you made it thirty six
teams that play for a national.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Title Clemson in Florida state whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
So maybe may maybe we find four more and you
make a forty, right, and they're just forty teams, and
you got four ten team conferences, right, and the top
two teams from each conference end up going to the playoff.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's it. You don't win your division or your conference.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And for a second, then sorry, I mean, we're still
associating a lot of a lot of value to the
conference championship because they're still playing them.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Right, But what we're what we're doing there is we're
saying a third place team has no shot. And where
the NFL and the NBA and Major League Baseball all
say the third place team has a shot if they
have as good enough record, and would not be doing
that in this scenario.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, you would not be in real Well look in
the end, if we just looked at all the conferences
and you said it, right, the top two teams get
to go. Obviously, you can't have the top two teams
from every conference because there'd be like twenty five teams
in the playoff. Right, It's the American, the ACC, the
Big Twelve, the Big Ten Conference, USAY, the MAC, the
(22:15):
Mountain West, the Pac twelve, the SEC, the Sunbolt is stupid, right,
But if we just took the Big four and just
said all right, the top two teams and each of
the Big four get to go. But you have an
eight team playoff, I mean, somebody's gonna get screwed.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But how would you do it?
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Honestly, Like, how would you set up a playoff outside
of the way you're doing it right now?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I think it's as close to perfect as it can be.
I may expand it to sixteen and then call it good,
but you can't cause cause you don't have four equal
conferences right now, and you're never gonna have four equal
conference right So I am not gonna give a second
place Big twelve spot away to a team that may
or may not deserve it every year, where we know
(22:58):
in the Big ten and in the SEC second place
team always deserves to be in the term.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I just think again the matter of deserves.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I mean, if you don't win your conference, are finished
in second place in your conference, then what do you deserve? Like,
are we gonna not put more importance on winning a
conference and we're just gonna grab what we think are
the top fifteen sixteen teams in college football? And if
that's the case, then what's the point of having a
conference title game?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What's the point of having conferences? Period?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I'm with you there, and I don't think we necessarily
need conferences, and I'm not sure we're gonna have conferences
down the road. I think what you just painted a
forty ish team NFL style league is going to be
with a West Division and a South Division and a
Midwest Division and an East Division is probably going to
be close to what we have. And that eliminates then
(23:46):
the travel issues too, because the Western division of the
Super Conference is essentially gonna be the Pac Eight, so
you're gonna have You're not gonna have travel issues.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
As much with the implication of pro rel because new
promotion relegation where you have teams on the outside who
were able to get into the league, the Big League,
and that's that's the way Europe's done it for decades
and it works.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Why don't we just do it here.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I always love that idea. I always love because that
it gives Washington State a chance. Yeah, it gives the
Cougar's a chance to be at the party.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Exactly. Well, okay, but here's the problem with this. And
I like how you say pro rel right, like that's
the way they do it in Europe. By the way,
pro rell just call it promotion regulation. Why do we
have why do we have to say, why do we
have to always do things the way they do things
in Europe? Because they do it right, they do they
do Really, there's not there's no tournament in the Premier
League at all. It's just the regular season and that's
(24:39):
it and the best team gets. There's no there's no
playoff there at all, Dick. They don't do anything all right, Well, okay,
so is it playoffs or is it just the regular season?
Because I'm hearing two different things from you people over here. Well, people,
I don't think that we should sit around and bend
over and just say because And I hate how the
MLS does that. I hate how socer fans in this
(25:01):
country start talking like they live in London because that's
the way they do things in England, or that's the
way they do things in Germany.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
Now we do things our ways America. Jack, Okay, here's
the thing, though, we do the same thing. MS is
the best of both rules because they also have a
regular season title, the Supporter Shield. The Sounders have won that,
and then they have a playoffs. We do it both ways.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
I will say, Oh God, teams Supporter Shield best teams
in Europe who then win their leagues go into a playoffs.
It's called the Champions League. They have playoffs the same
way we do.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know we're doing now, we're doing the uh. We're
doing the uh. The the way they do things in
Europe by doing the stupid NBA in season tournament thing
that they're doing. When they do that kind of stuff
over there too.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
By the way they paint the do they paint the
paint the pitches over there? Did you see the did
you see the Shrek colored or Flubber colored sect court
last night? Stupid got somebody exploded shrack.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I heard Brandon Sprague on with Ian today talking about
the tournament UH and the Blazers of like, I guess
they won a game or whatever, Like, does anybody care?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Does anybody care about this NBA in season tournament? I
don't at all. Maybe you had a team, we'd care.
I don't think we would. I think it's dumb.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
I would if we have the Sonics and they played,
all care because I Sounders playing the Open Cup mid
season tournament, and I care about that.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
It's all care When the Songs playing.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
The Lakers won the NBA in season tournament last year. Yes,
did they even make the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
They did?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Did they fit? Did they get pass the first round? Okay,
so what do they give a damn? Did they raise
a banner for that?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Back there? They cared? Yeah, they cared. I mean, they
cared about it.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Some of that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean, obviously the obviously the Lakers cared about it
because they played so much better during the NBA Cup
than they did during the rest of the regular season.
They played Anthony Davis more minutes. They just they just
cared about it more so. I mean, I guess if
the players what the NBA is trying to do, because
they've heard all this rightful criticism about how long their
(27:01):
season is and about resting players and all that sort
of stuff, like, okay, well, maybe at least we can
make a few games during the regular season, right, more
important than the rest of the games during the regular season,
and have people care. And I think that, at least
from the players standpoint, they've tried to win these games more.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But okay, if the players tried to win the games more,
then why did the Lakers win the tournament? Why did
a team that barely made the playoffs and got thumped
by Denver in the first round. Clearly not one of
the best teams in the NBA. If the players care
about the tournament, then why didn't Denver win the thing?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Because the Lakers were talented enough with old bodies to
play really well over a short period of time, okay,
and they were not well enough to play over a
long period of time. And I thought, I actually thought
they were going to have a shot in the in
the in the playoffs. But the playoffs were four and
a half months after the NBA Cup, and they'd already
(27:59):
played eighty two games, and they didn't have the juice
that they had in November.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Okay, summer Dick, I could buy that if the Lakers
were like one of the top seven or eight teams
in the NBA year ago, they weren't even close to
one of the top seven or NBA teams a year
ago when it was all said and done, and they
won the What about Boston?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
What about OKC?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
What about Minnesota, the Clippers, Dallas, the Knicks, Milwaukee, the Pelicans.
None of these teams won that thing. I don't think
the players care as much as you think they do.
I think a big reason why the Lakers won the
NBA In season tournament last year is because nobody gave
a damn and that's why they want it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
And because they're the only team in the game, is
what you're saying, which could be yeah, you're saying, they're
the only team that we gave a damn.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I don't think anybody really cared about it, and the
Lakers just stepped in and got it done. I mean,
you're right about Lebron's gonna be better in November than
he is in April, for sure, because he's a gagillion
years old.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But do the fans care about this stuff?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I mean, the point that Petros made that I want
to talk about we'll do it coming up with five
to twenty eight is the idea of conferences stepping into
hell help out their teams, keep their star players right. So,
like if DeMont Williams kills it next year and gets
approached by you know, Alabama, and they're offering five million
dollars with a big ten in Fox saying you know what,
(29:14):
here's six million bucks to stay here for one more
year because we benefit from you being on the field.
And if the conferences are going to do that, they
have to do it for everybody. Can they cherry pick
which teams they want to help and which teams they
don't want to help?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Should the conferences and should the networks be.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Stepping in helping these teams keep these players where they are?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
What if? What IF's? What if UCLA come to demand
Williams with two million dollars a year? Right, whose responsibility
is it for the Big ten to support Washington or Ucla?
They're both in the conference.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Let's let's discuss that coming up at five twenty eight.
That's another conundrum that would emerge, all right, another conundrum
that would emerge
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