February 13, 2025 • 32 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen discuss new Seahawks Offensive Coordinator Klint Kubiak taking over, his offensive line comments and philosophy, the use of a fullback, and what can do with DK Metcalf, then the guys have Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where we go final show of the season at the
five twenty Bar and Grill. I cannot thank them enough
for hosting us every Thursday. But you know, Hugh, why
we do this. The number one reason why we do
the show here from the five twenty Bar and Grill
is so Mike Holmgren doesn't have to fight traffic getting
to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I think he deserves that. Okay, it's a small concession,
right it is.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
The guy could walk home, for God's sakes to his
home in Kirkland. Well, we appreciate you hanging out with
us today. Bable Mike will be here at four, we'll
do a little fun with audio at three forty five.
We'll hear the USA Finland game and the Four Nations
face off opener for both countries coming up at five
o'clock tonight. But I don't know, we've had a couple
of days to kind of digest this. Clint Kubiak hiring
on on Tuesday. I was there at the press conference
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alone with Dick on Tuesday afternoon. I got a lot
of thoughts on it, but just kind of curious to
get your take on what you heard two days ago.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, curious your thoughts as well, you know, I know
Gary Kubiak, I played under me Denver. And you know,
Gary Kubiak and Mike Schannehan are probably best of friends.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right And you say you played under him, you played
with him. He was a quarterback in Denver.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
No, he was a quarterback coach. Your Kubiak was my
quarterback coach.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I didn't realize that you were that young, by the way.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Mike Shanahan, Yeah, yeah, don't forget it. And Mike Shanahan
was the head coach, and the Shanahan's and Kubiaks are
very close friends. And of course Clint Kubiak was the
past game coordinator at the forty nine Ers under Kyle Shanahan,
and those families are that tight. And so there's a
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similarity in terms of just overall philosophy that we're going
to see from the forty nine ers what we've seen
with Kyle Shanahan. I would expect we're going to see
some of those attributes the wide zone as opposed to
mid zone and inside zone. I mean, if you go
back to last year where Kenneth Walker his why his
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outside zone percentage was nineteen exactly nineteen percent That ranked
thirty third in the NFL, Alvin Kamara the leading back
down to the Saints, where Clint Kubiek was the offensive coordinator.
He was at forty four point seven percent outside zone
that ranked fourth in the NFL. And so and then
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and then the the passing game and the play action
that it's a tendant to that. I mean, basically, in
a very simple sense, outside zone, you're just saying to
the linemen of hey, if you if you're covered, try
and reach the guy. Try and let's say we're going
stretch left, trying and get your your body and there's
all kinds of things with the hand placement and technique,
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but try and get your body to the outside, try
and reach block that guy. If you can't reach him,
in essence, just to put in simple terms, shove him.
Keep shoving him to the sideline because then the running
back can cut back inside of your block. So and
then that sets up the naked bootleg, cause you get
the defense flowing latterly, more so those nakeds for Gino
coming out. And then there's other play actions where you
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set up in the post where you fake the stretch,
then you fake the naked you stop, and then if
you have this squeezed in condensed formations where the wide
receivers are close to the ball, there's all kinds of
crossing routes, shallow or intermediate crossing routes, or they can stop.
So there's there's some things you can do when you
squeeze the formation as much as they do. And then
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we can also talk about lead blockers. That's another facet
of it. But well, there's two things there for me.
There's two things there for me.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
There's the presence of a full back, which Kobiak said
Tuesday flat out wants a full back, has to get
a full back.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We can talk about whether or not the Hawks need
to go sign somebody, trade for somebody, draft somebody, whatever,
or do they have a body on the team they
can use right now. I mean, we know that Byron
Murphy start like to use him as a lead blocker
when he was at Texas. Mike McDonald refused to do
that a year ago. We'll see if Kubiak will do
any of that. Well, all these yere but I want
to play a clip for you because the offensive line
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obviously has been a major topic of conversation. I mean,
so much to a point where I got to be
honest with you, i'mkind of getting tired of it. Right.
This is like complaining about the Mariners offense. It's every
free day, it's groundhog Day with this offensive line.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Enough is enough?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So what does Clint Kubiak need on his offensive line
to run this outside zone scheme that you're talking about
with success?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Check out this clip from our.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Interview with him on Tuesday, and notice what he says
he's looking for first to start this thing.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Go ahead, Well, I think if you're gonna, if you're
gonna be successful in the in the zone scheme, it
all starts with having an elite center, having a dang
Goods center that can move and is intelligent and can
make calls, and so it all starts from him. And
you know, there's always so much money to go around
on a roster. There is a salary cap, and you
have to allocate those funds to other positions, and uh,
(04:39):
just just because you may not value them financially based
on the percentage of the cap. The guy gets that
that's the most important part of our team is the
offensive line. So we're gonna spend a lot of time
of trying to trying to make those guys better and
getting the most out of them, and uh, that's our
challenges coaches.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Okay, So there's like four questions I want to ask
you based out of that. Number One, if you're olu
Ola with Temmy and you were standing outside the room
where we did the interview with Koopiak on Tuesday, Yeah,
your big old ear next to the door, and you're
listening into what Koobiak is saying. What he says, well,
the first thing we need is an elite center. How
are you reacting to that? If you're a big olu
(05:16):
do you think that's a good thing for your future
here or a bad thing for your future?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, I don't know what their exit meetings were and
how they feel. I mean, I'm sure he is an
athlete saying hey, look I can be an elite center.
He was an Outland Trophy winner, not just the Redmonton
Award winner for the best center in college football, the
Outline Award winner for the best aligneman. So I think
he would have confidence in himself. Now, you know, us
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as fans, does that mean that they're going to expend
resources to acquire a news center. You know, time will tell,
but you know from the standpoint, okay, what he's saying, Well,
you need elite center. There's obviously, you know, the line
calls and making sure everybody's working together, because so much
even in the super studying that tape, so you believe
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you'd be surprised how many missed assignments there are even
in the Super Bowl. And and so you've got the
mental piece, but then you also have the physical piece
that well, I think it's true that the tackles are
most important, and you want to sell me on the
blind side tackle in the passing game, fine, but in
the running game, the center, if there's penetration with the center,
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it just seems to change the angles for the running back.
It denies the cutbacks, and you know, it upsets the timing.
And let's say, for example, the Seahawks lineup in a
right formation, so the tight ends on the right, and
they want to go to the open stretch to the left.
All right, So Kenneth Walker is going to the ghost
to the tight end, meaning the imaginary tight end. That's
his aiming point. And so because you're in the right formation,
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let's say the defense goes in an overfront. Well, the
shade technique the one technique that's to the weak side
where you want to run. That means that the center
has to he's got a guy in his gap on
the left. We're running to the outside left, so he's
got to snap the ball and then have the feet
in the hands to reach a guy who pre snap
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lined up, not head up like in an odd front,
but in a shade shading towards the place where we
want to go to the left. So when you see
those good centers that have the athletics and bam obviously
snapped the football, but then have the feet, have the
quick hands and the strength and the athleticism to be
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able to control that what we call the one technique,
the shade technique. Yeah, that stuff's vital. That's just one play.
We could go through two dozen more. Okay, but yeah,
the center is vital, I think to any scheme, but
if you want to try one right wide, you're going
to be trying to reach guys and you've got to
have that athletic.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's talking about needing an elite guy, Well, the Seahawks
have not had an elite center in eleven years since
Max Hunger was the first team All Pro in twenty thirteen.
They've only had two Pro Bowl centers their entire franchise.
History's Robbie Tobeka, Max Hunger. I mean, look a time.
It may be an elite center down the road, but
he's not an elite center right now. Create Humphrey, by
the way, is a first team All Pro. He's an
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elite center for Kansas City. You could have had him,
and you took someone. I think you took D. S.
Ridge instead, by the way.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, but and to your credit, you were barking up
that way.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Look, I'm just a smart ass, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm just being a smart ass about it, right, And
I've been wrong about a thousand things, and I will
be wrong about a thousand more things. But I just
wonder if this front office is capable of giving Clint
Kubiak the personnel he needs to run this scheme with
success in Seattle. I mean, yeah, it so great to
have the idea. Hey, that's awesome, the philosophy is great.
(08:40):
That sounds pretty good, But do we have the guy
to give him the freaking tools he needs to get
it done?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well. I said it before the end of the regular season,
that what they've been doing on the offensive line you
take that Fitzgerald Shugart draft value chart, which seems to
have replaced the Jimmy Johnson chart. And since John Schnyder
has been the coordinator, there at the top of the
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league in terms of expenditure towards the offensive line, and
so they've spent resources, they just haven't spent them well.
And because we've just been lather rinse will repeat it's
a groundhog day every year we're talking about the offensive
line and how debilitating it is. So that that is,
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you know, kind of the millstone around John Snyder's neck
in terms of a general manager that in two thousand
and from twenty ten to twenty twelve, drafted eight Pro
Bowl players. Since the advent of the seven round draft,
which was nineteen ninety four, there's only three other teams
that have had eight or more. You had the forty
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nine Ers around the twenty tens, you had the Packers
around twenty twelve, and you had the Chargers around two
thousand and five with la Danian Tomlinson in that group.
And so that was an epic draft, and it was
obviously the backbone of winning nine game playoff games in
seven years, and of course the Super Bowl title. Remember
that nine playoff wins in seven years. In the last
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eight years, they've won one right, right, And and you
know they're they're over the cap, They're they got the
third worst cap situation. They don't have a franchise quarterback,
and they haven't been able to put out the fire
of the offensive line. Look, everybody loves John Schneider for
two reasons. A great guy, really endearing personality, and he
had overwhelming success in the first half of his tenure.
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But if you're you're looking with a critical eye at
the state of the team now no one Pro Bowler,
no All pros, all the other things we said, you know,
I'm concerned that if they keep employing the same tactics
with respect to the offensive line, whether it's a philosophy
or who they look at or he's a tackle, let's
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move him into guard or whatever it has been, they've
got a shift their focus. And because you know, if
you what's the definition insanity, we know that, right, you know,
we're just gonna get the same results with the same process.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, well, look, I heard you this morning with Ashley
and Andrews on the way to a golf lesson at
a frozen Meridian.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Valley Country Club.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
By the way, it's amazing, how so good to you
how far the ball flies when it bounces off the
fairway and goes another two hundred yards on a on
a hop. But I heard you talking this morning about
that about you know, why are people not busting his
balls the way they get after Jerry to Podo And look,
I mean we all know why because John Snyder won
a title, right, I mean, Jerry's got nothing. His resume
(11:41):
is nowhere near what John Snyder's resume is.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
We all get that.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But I also think at some point in time, you know,
you can't just ride that train every single year, right,
I mean Pete Carroll, you know, ran out of time
with his train he was riding from the championship. Everybody
comes to an end at some point, everybody's tenure come
to an end. And I just feel like this is
a huge year for John Schneider. I get the impression though,
(12:05):
that Jody Allen Burt Cold will give him as much
slack as he needs, especially with a brand new head
coach after year one with McDonald. But if they do
take a step back this season and they roll out
a seven and ten or a six and eleven type year.
I would not be surprised at that point if they
make a move. But I just think it's very fair, Hugh,
for Seahawk fans and the media to wonder if John
(12:26):
Schneider can do something that in fifteen years he's frankly
never done. I mean, we're not sitting here talking about
a year or two of data. It's fifteen years of
data that we have to work with. And everybody's got
a hole in their game, and John Schnider's hole in
his game.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Let's be honest. It's building the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, period. Well, you get an experienced offensive line coach
coming in, hopefully you put more of the decision making
on his plate because something's got to be new. But yeah, look,
I don't like to have to, you know, take a
good guy who's accomplished a lot. You know, he's young.
You mentioned every time, you know, Hey, Bill Pollian, you know,
(13:02):
arguably the best GM in the history of football because
he because he built three Super Bowl teams in the Bills,
Carolina and and the Colts. Look, guys can do this
into a advancing age. I would love to have the opinion, Hey,
John Schneider is the dude, let's just keep rolling. I
(13:22):
just follow over the evidence leads and the evidence that
I think is is relevant and and yeah, it's it's
a concern. I mean, think of this, since Russell Wilson
was traded Gino Smith as a starting quarterback is twenty
seven and twenty three. That's exactly fifty four percent. Well,
when I mentioned fifty four percent, I know you're antennas
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go up because that that's a famous uh, that's a
famous fit win percentage figure in this town over the
last couple of years. And and that's been charitable because
the year before, in twenty twenty one, he went on
one and two. So now you could say, well, if
it wasn't for Gino, you'd have been a lot worse.
(14:04):
You want to make that argument, Okay, we'll carry on
that conversation. But yeah, but let's just let's assess, assess
what we are. We're twenty seven and twenty three with
him over the last three years and no playoff wins
right ever.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Which I still think by my standards I set for
him when he took over for Russell or actually not bad.
To be totally honest with you, I mean, you would
have told me when Russell Wilson took off, that this
is what Gino Smith would do. I'd say, okay, he's
a because you just described a mediocre guy, right, literally
the epitome of a mediocre quarterback, average quarterback in the
National Football League. And I remember, and I've said this
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on the year a couple of times, and you know
that I've said this, we got to do a break
here in a minute here that when Russell took off
and it was Drew Locke and Gino Smith, I said
on the year, I don't give a damn who starts.
I think both of them stick. And I was wrong
about Jane. I think Gino's exceeded my expectations, but still
not good enough to get where you want to go.
The offensive line thing is interesting because they hired a
new guy named John Benton, who was the forty nine
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ers offens line coach for about four years I think
from twenty seventeen to twenty one, but now years and
exactly in the last three six, eight years, the Seahawks
have now had five different offensive line coaches, sorry nine
years if you include Benton, coming up. Five guys in
nine years, and none of them have been able to
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get the job done. The only common thread is John Schneider.
He's the only guy that's been here through all of that.
Four coordinators, five offensive line coaches, one general manager. We'll
get a break. We'll come back and talk more about
this here more from Kobiak. People are losing their mind
about the Chiefs meltdown on Sunday against Philadelphia. We'll do
a little fun with audio and then Mike Kormguns here
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(15:40):
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Speaker 7 (15:56):
In the Pistol on the NFL logo from m Kansas.
Eagles takeover first in ten, the shotguns snap that they
can up and hurts tops back five runs up while
Marging pass down the.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Middle, HiT's cut.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Over the shoulder of the inn Town touchdown.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Smith and fat Man naked insurmountable.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Did you guys see the micd up audio with Sirianni
and Kellen Moore on the Eagles sideline for that call
So Kellen Moore was calling the plays I think for Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Is that right? He was? He was a play caller.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Despite Sirianni's offensive background. He had delegated that to Kellen Moore,
who's now the head coach of the Saints. So shout
out Prosser High School, by the way, good on him.
But Siriani looks at Callen and says, you know what, dude,
just call it. If we score here, this frickin thing's over.
And it was over at thirty four to nothing. So
four days later, right after that beat down by Philadelphia
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and any more thoughts any had new thoughts on what
you saw Sunday Man.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, on that play, that was a cover four beater
called coverage, and they got the cover foward that they wanted,
and he got the tight end on a corner route
that eats up the safety to that side. So the
corner out there, he's got one on one coverage. He
aligned it outside as if the split by the receiver
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was real closely and he was gonna have safety help.
DeVante Smith just took an inside release, no contact and
accelerated right through. He didn't even make a break at
a customary post depth of about twelve yards. He just
kept running because he had such a clean release and
again no safety help. And Bill Watsh famously said, if
you want to have play action pass, pull a guard.
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Well they pulled. The Eagles pulled their right guard. They
made it really look like there was a first and ten.
They made it look like a gap scheme power play,
and so there's no pass rush. It was like seven
on seven day the protection. So that's as easy of
a post route for touchdown as you're ever gonna find
in a Super Bowl when you consider the protection and
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beating the corner like a drum off the line with
no safety help, all the factors a quarterback could ever
wont Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Good for those guys, man, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
But it's funny because everyone says, you know, I'd like
to have what the Eagles have and just go give
Clint Kubiak, Fine, go find the best offensive line of football.
Those guys are growing on bushes all over the vMac
for trying out lot. But the one thing that you
do have that you can always find on your team
is a blocking back, right and Kubiak talked about that
on Tuesday. He talked about that with US I guess
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I don't understand why the Seahawks did not just pull
somebody off of their defensive or offensive line, or even
hal a tight end for God's sakes, to be a
blocking back, use him in practice, you know, shortyard and situations.
I can't even remember how often they had a blocking
back in the game last year with the Seahawks offense.
But when he said that Tuesday, ycause your intendants go
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up a little bit, that hey, we might finally have
an actual fullback, because when they hired Mike McDonald, you know,
I thought there would be a fullback on the football team,
and it sounds like there's gonna be one this year.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, and a quick thought on your comment, I think
down on the goal line, if you've got a couple
of specialty plays for Byron Murphy or short yardage, right,
that's about all you can handle.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
A tight end in the backfield as a full back
makes a lot more sense to me because he knows
the offense right and and so you're gonna have a
wider array of plays. The Saints last year had two
earned thirty six plays with either a full back. A
true look up number forty six for the Saints. It
doesn't matter, but he's a true full back. But they
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also had tight ends in the back that two and
thirty six plays. That was number one in the NFL.
The Saints had the most. For context, the Seahawks had
eighty nine and that was seventeenth in the NFL. And
for the entire NFL, out of thirty three eighth and
twelve snaps Dave, ten point four percent of them were
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with a back in the backfield. What does that mean?
Most defenses are seeing a single back and when they
do their run fits, they are generally seeing a one
back offense, whether it's a two by two formation or
what have you, or a three by one. Obviously sometimes
it's empty, but you're only seeing about ten percent of
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the time a lead back back in the backfield. When
you have a lead back, the defense has to have
a account for a new gap at the point of attack.
So for example, a linebacker may say, oh, I got
this gap, but with the lead blocker, he says, well,
I have to take on the block with my outside
shoulder or my inside shoulder because I have to be
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aware of the help where the help is. So there
is some processing that takes place there's also some physicality.
There's a play called ISO where the garden the center
down block. It leaves a hole in the gap between
the center and the other guard, and the full back
goes right through, and it's just Mono Amano, the full
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back against the It's a physicality play. It's kind of
like who's who's the better man? And the linebacker has
to read it and he's got to go blow up
that fullback on the ISO play, and and he made
the best man win. So I think there's a certain
what did my Pete Carroll say? Closing the circle of
physicality with the running game and having that fullback And
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again I mentioned in the first segment the similarity that
we're likely to see with the forty nine ers. You know,
Kyle Yusef, you know, arguably a Hall of Fame fullback
if you want to use if you want to put
fullbacks in the in the Hall of Fame. He's been
the best fullback for ten years.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
In the end, the guy, the.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Guy that you asked about with the Saints, his name
is Adam Prentiss. He's a free agent, by the way,
he's an unrestricted free agent. He was their full back
a year ago. You know how many snaps or exees
me carries he had last year for the Saints. Every
carries he had one, he had zero, he had zero,
But he had two hundred and seventy two snaps with
the Saints a year ago. The guy was literally there
just to block for people. And now he was a
free agent.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, and you know, maybe he'll be a Seahawk. But again,
just the idea that having that fullback. You know, on
first down when you go play action, if you want
to get in the I formation. Look, it sucks for
a quarterback in the sense of you take two out
of five of the eligible receivers and just stick them
behind you where they can't really run a pass route,
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they can't stretch the defense, but you're far more likely
you get a single high coverage against that, and so
that means you have one on one on the outside.
So if if Geno feels comfortable turning his back, faking
the leads and ISOs and what have you out of
that two back formation and then turn rising up and
smoking a comeback out to the sideline to DK or
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to JSN, those are the type of the things that
you see on first down and you can almost you
can be much more assured that you're going to see
favorable free access coverage when you're in that formation.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, you mentioned the guy there, DK Metcalf. I mean again,
this is we just keep having these conversations you over
and over and over and over again. I mean, is
this Are we talking about Shane Waldron? Are we talking
about Ryan Grubb? Are we talking about Brian Schottenheimer? Are
we talking about Clint Kubiak? Which coordinator?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Now?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Are we talking about where we are asking that guy
to get more out of DK Metcalf?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
After four guys, I've lost freaking track. I mean, dude,
is it?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Honestly, this is like groundhog Day with this stupid conversation
we have every time they fire a coordinator and they
hire a new guy or just sky going to be
able to get out of DK Metcalf. I mean what
year is this? Is this twenty twenty two or is
it twenty twenty five? Because I lost track?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, well I think that's a fair comment. I'll just
say this. If you exclude tight ends and you just
say wide receivers who are tight targeted one hundred or
more times, there's thirty five and then you say, well,
what percentage were each of those guys in the slot?
DK metcalf in the slot eleven point five percent. That
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is dead last out of all receivers. The average is
thirty eight point seven percent. Okay, so we're talking about
the top thirty five most targeted receivers. Generally over a
third of them you're going to be in the slot.
And by the way, the sex are conspicuous in this look.
I'm looking right at the spreadsheet Jackson Smith and Jigba
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is number one. He eighty one point two percent of
his snaps were in the slot, whereas DK just eleven
point five percent. And by the way, the second lowis
was Courtland Sutton out of Denver as sixteen point five percent.
So DK is last by a mile, and the majority
of those he's when he's outside, he's he's you know,
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I gotta look at the number, but two thirds three
quarters of the time it's on the left side. So
in my talk with Gary Kubiak a few days ago,
we talked about DK Metcalfey, what do you think, And
the very first thing out of his mouth was, well,
you got to move him around. You can't just line
him up in the same spot. Well, Clink Kubiak said
the same thing in the press conference. And so, look,
(25:05):
you think of slot receiver as being a little lily
bitty quick guy. Well you also think of tight ends
who are flexed out a few yards from the formation.
They're big dudes. So why on earth would wide receivers
need to be only little quick guys. If you could
have a hybrid big receiver, that to me sounds logical
because he has attributes, does metcalf, He has attributes to
(25:29):
the tight end, and let teams figure out how they
gonna defend him in the slot.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, well we're gonna break. We'll ask miy Culbrin about
all that as well. He'll be here with us at
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Time for Sunday in Dick's Fun with Audio.
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Now let's have some fun with audio, all right, Hugh.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
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Uh, he will join us at four o'clock this afternoon.
Get his thoughts on what he saw super Sunday. The Chiefs, Eagles, everybody,
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here on ninety three three KJRFM. I have a little
fun with audio slash. Hey did you hear that? Here
we go, Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We start in college football college Sports Alabama eighty Greg
Byrne joining ESPN Tuesday and shared his best idea to
get rid of field and court storming in college sports.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So, I think from a safety standpoint, keeping people off
the fields and the courts is a good thing for
everybody involved. If we said that the home team, if
they storm the field or the court, they're going to
lose that game right then and there.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That will stop it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I'm not overly optimistic and understand it's not a popular
opinion in a lot of people's view. I'll get criticized
for it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I do believe in it, And if somebody can come
up with something more that's a better idea that does
not include that, I'm all for it. I'm not saying
that's the only possible way. I'm convincing my own simple
mind that that would be something that would stop it.
I'd even be fine if you say, hey, let's give
it three minutes to get the team off the field
(27:52):
and then if they want to come down and celebrate, great.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
So how about that idea.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
If a team has a fan based storm the court
or a football game, they lose the game, they lose
the contest, which I would just say this, how about
we just let him storm the court?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
How about we just let him storm the field? I mean,
in the end, a big problem.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, I mean, I think there's a concern down the
road that somebody could get really hurt. There's no question
about that, that somebody could get really hurt at some
point in time.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
But I don't know. What do you make of that
idea from Greg Burn?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Hey, yeah, I think that's a little excessive. That sounded
like a fuddy duddy. Now I'm sympathetic that there. I
think that there should be fewer court stormings.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yes, more selection, be more selective.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Right now, who makes that decision? I don't know. I
feel like you just know it, you know, when it's
a situation where it's really an epic, you know, Vanderbilt
beats Alabama, that type of thing.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't know. I mean, in.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Nineteen sixty four, Justice Potter Stewart said, you know, I
can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it. Man,
So I can't tell you what upsets weren't storming a
but I think I know it when when I watched
the game and it was like, Okay, this is this
is extraordinary and so I think there's been a little
(29:09):
bit too much of it. But I think that's a
little bit of well.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Justice Potter, I assume is no longer with us, but
I would have loved to have gotten Justice Potter's thoughts
on pornography in sixty four versus twenty twenty five and
what he thinks of today's pornography versus what he saw
in nineteen sixty four. We're goet a new clip here. Hey, Dick,
did je Dick? Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Dick?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Let's go to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Chris Collinsworth joining Ky Adams on the Up and Adams
podcast yesterday and said the Eagles twenty twenty four draft pick,
if Cooper the Gene, could go down as the biggest second.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Round steal in the history of the NFL draft.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
The guys that they drafted this year, this Quinnon Mitchell
has just been a special player on the back end.
Cooper de Jen maybe the biggest steal that we've ever
seen in the second round of a draft, and what
he's done to shore up the slot position for that team.
They were really not good a season ago in the
(30:06):
slot Cooper's jen came back in there.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
You agree with that Steel Boomer?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Did you say that was Boomer?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
No, it's Chris Collinsworth.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, okay, Chris collinswor Okay, Well the greatest second round?
I mean there's a lot of Hall of Famers in
the second round. That's a little premature. I will say this.
In the twenty six years i've been studying the draft,
I look at all these guys who are projected to
be possible first runners. I look at all their bios,
and I see a lot of players that are two
sport athletes, and it's usually basketball, oddly enough, not baseball.
(30:37):
And there's a lot of good high school basketball players.
Some great high school basketball players were playing in the NFL.
A couple a little bit of a three sport. I've
never seen a bio like Cooper Degen. This guy was
a four sport all star in football. He started a
two time state champion as an athletic quarterback, through for
thirty five touchdowns, ran for twenty four senior year in
(30:58):
state title. He won one hundred meter at a ten
to seven. Yeah, uh won the long jump, was a
twenty six point per game in basketball, and set multiple records,
and I don't know his baseball sets. I think it
was like three to eighty in baseball. This guy there's
never been as all round a superstar athlete. And by
(31:19):
the way, jump on YouTube and watch his dunk reel.
This dude is six ' one. He looks like he's
jumping off a trampoline, like he's levitating. This is a
serious athlete. And uh, you know, he just he made
a great play in the Super Bowl where he's got
the flat zone. He's trying to buzz underneath it a
deep comeback, but then he he reads the eyes of
Mahomes and he falls back inside where Mahomes is going
(31:43):
to four to thread on an intermediate to deep crosser,
and he just it's his athletic awareness. You think of
all those things in baseball, what angle do I take
to get the ground ball? In basketball? What's my angles
on the on the three on two fast break? He
just has an athletic instinct that is, you know, way
beyond his ear.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Let me ask you this just real quick here, and
I mean real quick, because he went in the second round.
I can see Hawk fans saying, how im we didn'tet him? Well,
the Hawks didn't have a second round draft pick last year,
so they couldn't get him. They could have taken him
at number sixteen, which at that time would have been
a big reach. Felt like a big reach moving forward
just as well. Yeah, but you need three guys though,
right moving forward? Would you rather have Byron Murphy or
(32:22):
Cooper Degene on this defense?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Jeez, well, Cooper Dejene plays every play. If you had him,
you'd have Witherspoon out at corner and he'd be your nickel.
He'd be your nickel well wherever he goes.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
So I ask that question, I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Gonna be for the next five seven years. You'd rather
have Byron Murphy? Okay, that's fine, that's fine, all right,
three fifty four, we'll get a break. Maybe we'll ask
Mike Homber in that question.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Next.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
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Coming up on ninety three three kJ arfm
Where we go final show of the season at the
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I think he deserves that. Okay, it's a small concession,
right it is.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
The guy could walk home, for God's sakes to his
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us today. Bable Mike will be here at four, we'll
do a little fun with audio at three forty five.
We'll hear the USA Finland game and the Four Nations
face off opener for both countries coming up at five
o'clock tonight. But I don't know, we've had a couple
of days to kind of digest this. Clint Kubiak hiring
on on Tuesday. I was there at the press conference
(00:41):
alone with Dick on Tuesday afternoon. I got a lot
of thoughts on it, but just kind of curious to
get your take on what you heard two days ago.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, curious your thoughts as well, you know, I know
Gary Kubiak, I played under me Denver. And you know,
Gary Kubiak and Mike Schannehan are probably best of friends.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right And you say you played under him, you played
with him. He was a quarterback in Denver.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
No, he was a quarterback coach. Your Kubiak was my
quarterback coach.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I didn't realize that you were that young, by the way.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Mike Shanahan, Yeah, yeah, don't forget it. And Mike Shanahan
was the head coach, and the Shanahan's and Kubiaks are
very close friends. And of course Clint Kubiak was the
past game coordinator at the forty nine Ers under Kyle Shanahan,
and those families are that tight. And so there's a
(01:31):
similarity in terms of just overall philosophy that we're going
to see from the forty nine ers what we've seen
with Kyle Shanahan. I would expect we're going to see
some of those attributes the wide zone as opposed to
mid zone and inside zone. I mean, if you go
back to last year where Kenneth Walker his why his
(01:54):
outside zone percentage was nineteen exactly nineteen percent That ranked
thirty third in the NFL, Alvin Kamara the leading back
down to the Saints, where Clint Kubiek was the offensive coordinator.
He was at forty four point seven percent outside zone
that ranked fourth in the NFL. And so and then
(02:15):
and then the the passing game and the play action
that it's a tendant to that. I mean, basically, in
a very simple sense, outside zone, you're just saying to
the linemen of hey, if you if you're covered, try
and reach the guy. Try and let's say we're going
stretch left, trying and get your your body and there's
all kinds of things with the hand placement and technique,
(02:36):
but try and get your body to the outside, try
and reach block that guy. If you can't reach him,
in essence, just to put in simple terms, shove him.
Keep shoving him to the sideline because then the running
back can cut back inside of your block. So and
then that sets up the naked bootleg, cause you get
the defense flowing latterly, more so those nakeds for Gino
coming out. And then there's other play actions where you
(02:59):
set up in the post where you fake the stretch,
then you fake the naked you stop, and then if
you have this squeezed in condensed formations where the wide
receivers are close to the ball, there's all kinds of
crossing routes, shallow or intermediate crossing routes, or they can stop.
So there's there's some things you can do when you
squeeze the formation as much as they do. And then
(03:19):
we can also talk about lead blockers. That's another facet
of it. But well, there's two things there for me.
There's two things there for me.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
There's the presence of a full back, which Kobiak said
Tuesday flat out wants a full back, has to get
a full back.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We can talk about whether or not the Hawks need
to go sign somebody, trade for somebody, draft somebody, whatever,
or do they have a body on the team they
can use right now. I mean, we know that Byron
Murphy start like to use him as a lead blocker
when he was at Texas. Mike McDonald refused to do
that a year ago. We'll see if Kubiak will do
any of that. Well, all these yere but I want
to play a clip for you because the offensive line
(03:52):
obviously has been a major topic of conversation. I mean,
so much to a point where I got to be
honest with you, i'mkind of getting tired of it. Right.
This is like complaining about the Mariners offense. It's every
free day, it's groundhog Day with this offensive line.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Enough is enough?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So what does Clint Kubiak need on his offensive line
to run this outside zone scheme that you're talking about
with success?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Check out this clip from our.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Interview with him on Tuesday, and notice what he says
he's looking for first to start this thing.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Go ahead, Well, I think if you're gonna, if you're
gonna be successful in the in the zone scheme, it
all starts with having an elite center, having a dang
Goods center that can move and is intelligent and can
make calls, and so it all starts from him. And
you know, there's always so much money to go around
on a roster. There is a salary cap, and you
have to allocate those funds to other positions, and uh,
(04:39):
just just because you may not value them financially based
on the percentage of the cap. The guy gets that
that's the most important part of our team is the
offensive line. So we're gonna spend a lot of time
of trying to trying to make those guys better and
getting the most out of them, and uh, that's our
challenges coaches.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Okay, So there's like four questions I want to ask
you based out of that. Number One, if you're olu
Ola with Temmy and you were standing outside the room
where we did the interview with Koopiak on Tuesday, Yeah,
your big old ear next to the door, and you're
listening into what Koobiak is saying. What he says, well,
the first thing we need is an elite center. How
are you reacting to that? If you're a big olu
(05:16):
do you think that's a good thing for your future
here or a bad thing for your future?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, I don't know what their exit meetings were and
how they feel. I mean, I'm sure he is an
athlete saying hey, look I can be an elite center.
He was an Outland Trophy winner, not just the Redmonton
Award winner for the best center in college football, the
Outline Award winner for the best aligneman. So I think
he would have confidence in himself. Now, you know, us
(05:40):
as fans, does that mean that they're going to expend
resources to acquire a news center. You know, time will tell,
but you know from the standpoint, okay, what he's saying, Well,
you need elite center. There's obviously, you know, the line
calls and making sure everybody's working together, because so much
even in the super studying that tape, so you believe
(06:02):
you'd be surprised how many missed assignments there are even
in the Super Bowl. And and so you've got the
mental piece, but then you also have the physical piece
that well, I think it's true that the tackles are
most important, and you want to sell me on the
blind side tackle in the passing game, fine, but in
the running game, the center, if there's penetration with the center,
(06:24):
it just seems to change the angles for the running back.
It denies the cutbacks, and you know, it upsets the timing.
And let's say, for example, the Seahawks lineup in a
right formation, so the tight ends on the right, and
they want to go to the open stretch to the left.
All right, So Kenneth Walker is going to the ghost
to the tight end, meaning the imaginary tight end. That's
his aiming point. And so because you're in the right formation,
(06:47):
let's say the defense goes in an overfront. Well, the
shade technique the one technique that's to the weak side
where you want to run. That means that the center
has to he's got a guy in his gap on
the left. We're running to the outside left, so he's
got to snap the ball and then have the feet
in the hands to reach a guy who pre snap
(07:08):
lined up, not head up like in an odd front,
but in a shade shading towards the place where we
want to go to the left. So when you see
those good centers that have the athletics and bam obviously
snapped the football, but then have the feet, have the
quick hands and the strength and the athleticism to be
(07:28):
able to control that what we call the one technique,
the shade technique. Yeah, that stuff's vital. That's just one play.
We could go through two dozen more. Okay, but yeah,
the center is vital, I think to any scheme, but
if you want to try one right wide, you're going
to be trying to reach guys and you've got to
have that athletic.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's talking about needing an elite guy, Well, the Seahawks
have not had an elite center in eleven years since
Max Hunger was the first team All Pro in twenty thirteen.
They've only had two Pro Bowl centers their entire franchise.
History's Robbie Tobeka, Max Hunger. I mean, look a time.
It may be an elite center down the road, but
he's not an elite center right now. Create Humphrey, by
the way, is a first team All Pro. He's an
(08:07):
elite center for Kansas City. You could have had him,
and you took someone. I think you took D. S.
Ridge instead, by the way.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, but and to your credit, you were barking up
that way.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Look, I'm just a smart ass, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm just being a smart ass about it, right, And
I've been wrong about a thousand things, and I will
be wrong about a thousand more things. But I just
wonder if this front office is capable of giving Clint
Kubiak the personnel he needs to run this scheme with
success in Seattle. I mean, yeah, it so great to
have the idea. Hey, that's awesome, the philosophy is great.
(08:40):
That sounds pretty good, But do we have the guy
to give him the freaking tools he needs to get
it done?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well. I said it before the end of the regular season,
that what they've been doing on the offensive line you
take that Fitzgerald Shugart draft value chart, which seems to
have replaced the Jimmy Johnson chart. And since John Schnyder
has been the coordinator, there at the top of the
(09:07):
league in terms of expenditure towards the offensive line, and
so they've spent resources, they just haven't spent them well.
And because we've just been lather rinse will repeat it's
a groundhog day every year we're talking about the offensive
line and how debilitating it is. So that that is,
(09:28):
you know, kind of the millstone around John Snyder's neck
in terms of a general manager that in two thousand
and from twenty ten to twenty twelve, drafted eight Pro
Bowl players. Since the advent of the seven round draft,
which was nineteen ninety four, there's only three other teams
that have had eight or more. You had the forty
(09:50):
nine Ers around the twenty tens, you had the Packers
around twenty twelve, and you had the Chargers around two
thousand and five with la Danian Tomlinson in that group.
And so that was an epic draft, and it was
obviously the backbone of winning nine game playoff games in
seven years, and of course the Super Bowl title. Remember
that nine playoff wins in seven years. In the last
(10:13):
eight years, they've won one right, right, And and you
know they're they're over the cap, They're they got the
third worst cap situation. They don't have a franchise quarterback,
and they haven't been able to put out the fire
of the offensive line. Look, everybody loves John Schneider for
two reasons. A great guy, really endearing personality, and he
had overwhelming success in the first half of his tenure.
(10:36):
But if you're you're looking with a critical eye at
the state of the team now no one Pro Bowler,
no All pros, all the other things we said, you know,
I'm concerned that if they keep employing the same tactics
with respect to the offensive line, whether it's a philosophy
or who they look at or he's a tackle, let's
(10:56):
move him into guard or whatever it has been, they've
got a shift their focus. And because you know, if
you what's the definition insanity, we know that, right, you know,
we're just gonna get the same results with the same process.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, well, look, I heard you this morning with Ashley
and Andrews on the way to a golf lesson at
a frozen Meridian.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Valley Country Club.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
By the way, it's amazing, how so good to you
how far the ball flies when it bounces off the
fairway and goes another two hundred yards on a on
a hop. But I heard you talking this morning about
that about you know, why are people not busting his
balls the way they get after Jerry to Podo And look,
I mean we all know why because John Snyder won
a title, right, I mean, Jerry's got nothing. His resume
(11:41):
is nowhere near what John Snyder's resume is.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
We all get that.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But I also think at some point in time, you know,
you can't just ride that train every single year, right,
I mean Pete Carroll, you know, ran out of time
with his train he was riding from the championship. Everybody
comes to an end at some point, everybody's tenure come
to an end. And I just feel like this is
a huge year for John Schneider. I get the impression though,
(12:05):
that Jody Allen Burt Cold will give him as much
slack as he needs, especially with a brand new head
coach after year one with McDonald. But if they do
take a step back this season and they roll out
a seven and ten or a six and eleven type year.
I would not be surprised at that point if they
make a move. But I just think it's very fair, Hugh,
for Seahawk fans and the media to wonder if John
(12:26):
Schneider can do something that in fifteen years he's frankly
never done. I mean, we're not sitting here talking about
a year or two of data. It's fifteen years of
data that we have to work with. And everybody's got
a hole in their game, and John Schnider's hole in
his game.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Let's be honest. It's building the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, period. Well, you get an experienced offensive line coach
coming in, hopefully you put more of the decision making
on his plate because something's got to be new. But yeah, look,
I don't like to have to, you know, take a
good guy who's accomplished a lot. You know, he's young.
You mentioned every time, you know, Hey, Bill Pollian, you know,
(13:02):
arguably the best GM in the history of football because
he because he built three Super Bowl teams in the Bills,
Carolina and and the Colts. Look, guys can do this
into a advancing age. I would love to have the opinion, Hey,
John Schneider is the dude, let's just keep rolling. I
(13:22):
just follow over the evidence leads and the evidence that
I think is is relevant and and yeah, it's it's
a concern. I mean, think of this, since Russell Wilson
was traded Gino Smith as a starting quarterback is twenty
seven and twenty three. That's exactly fifty four percent. Well,
when I mentioned fifty four percent, I know you're antennas
(13:44):
go up because that that's a famous uh, that's a
famous fit win percentage figure in this town over the
last couple of years. And and that's been charitable because
the year before, in twenty twenty one, he went on
one and two. So now you could say, well, if
it wasn't for Gino, you'd have been a lot worse.
(14:04):
You want to make that argument, Okay, we'll carry on
that conversation. But yeah, but let's just let's assess, assess
what we are. We're twenty seven and twenty three with
him over the last three years and no playoff wins
right ever.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Which I still think by my standards I set for
him when he took over for Russell or actually not bad.
To be totally honest with you, I mean, you would
have told me when Russell Wilson took off, that this
is what Gino Smith would do. I'd say, okay, he's
a because you just described a mediocre guy, right, literally
the epitome of a mediocre quarterback, average quarterback in the
National Football League. And I remember, and I've said this
(14:39):
on the year a couple of times, and you know
that I've said this, we got to do a break
here in a minute here that when Russell took off
and it was Drew Locke and Gino Smith, I said
on the year, I don't give a damn who starts.
I think both of them stick. And I was wrong
about Jane. I think Gino's exceeded my expectations, but still
not good enough to get where you want to go.
The offensive line thing is interesting because they hired a
new guy named John Benton, who was the forty nine
(14:59):
ers offens line coach for about four years I think
from twenty seventeen to twenty one, but now years and
exactly in the last three six, eight years, the Seahawks
have now had five different offensive line coaches, sorry nine
years if you include Benton, coming up. Five guys in
nine years, and none of them have been able to
(15:19):
get the job done. The only common thread is John Schneider.
He's the only guy that's been here through all of that.
Four coordinators, five offensive line coaches, one general manager. We'll
get a break. We'll come back and talk more about
this here more from Kobiak. People are losing their mind
about the Chiefs meltdown on Sunday against Philadelphia. We'll do
a little fun with audio and then Mike Kormguns here
at four o'clock from the five to twenty Bar and
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Middle, HiT's cut.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Over the shoulder of the inn Town touchdown.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Smith and fat Man naked insurmountable.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Did you guys see the micd up audio with Sirianni
and Kellen Moore on the Eagles sideline for that call
So Kellen Moore was calling the plays I think for Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Is that right? He was? He was a play caller.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Despite Sirianni's offensive background. He had delegated that to Kellen Moore,
who's now the head coach of the Saints. So shout
out Prosser High School, by the way, good on him.
But Siriani looks at Callen and says, you know what, dude,
just call it. If we score here, this frickin thing's over.
And it was over at thirty four to nothing. So
four days later, right after that beat down by Philadelphia
(16:51):
and any more thoughts any had new thoughts on what
you saw Sunday Man.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, on that play, that was a cover four beater
called coverage, and they got the cover foward that they wanted,
and he got the tight end on a corner route
that eats up the safety to that side. So the
corner out there, he's got one on one coverage. He
aligned it outside as if the split by the receiver
(17:16):
was real closely and he was gonna have safety help.
DeVante Smith just took an inside release, no contact and
accelerated right through. He didn't even make a break at
a customary post depth of about twelve yards. He just
kept running because he had such a clean release and
again no safety help. And Bill Watsh famously said, if
you want to have play action pass, pull a guard.
(17:39):
Well they pulled. The Eagles pulled their right guard. They
made it really look like there was a first and ten.
They made it look like a gap scheme power play,
and so there's no pass rush. It was like seven
on seven day the protection. So that's as easy of
a post route for touchdown as you're ever gonna find
in a Super Bowl when you consider the protection and
(18:01):
beating the corner like a drum off the line with
no safety help, all the factors a quarterback could ever
wont Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Good for those guys, man, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
But it's funny because everyone says, you know, I'd like
to have what the Eagles have and just go give
Clint Kubiak, Fine, go find the best offensive line of football.
Those guys are growing on bushes all over the vMac
for trying out lot. But the one thing that you
do have that you can always find on your team
is a blocking back, right and Kubiak talked about that
on Tuesday. He talked about that with US I guess
(18:30):
I don't understand why the Seahawks did not just pull
somebody off of their defensive or offensive line, or even
hal a tight end for God's sakes, to be a
blocking back, use him in practice, you know, shortyard and situations.
I can't even remember how often they had a blocking
back in the game last year with the Seahawks offense.
But when he said that Tuesday, ycause your intendants go
(18:51):
up a little bit, that hey, we might finally have
an actual fullback, because when they hired Mike McDonald, you know,
I thought there would be a fullback on the football team,
and it sounds like there's gonna be one this year.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, and a quick thought on your comment, I think
down on the goal line, if you've got a couple
of specialty plays for Byron Murphy or short yardage, right,
that's about all you can handle.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
A tight end in the backfield as a full back
makes a lot more sense to me because he knows
the offense right and and so you're gonna have a
wider array of plays. The Saints last year had two
earned thirty six plays with either a full back. A
true look up number forty six for the Saints. It
doesn't matter, but he's a true full back. But they
(19:34):
also had tight ends in the back that two and
thirty six plays. That was number one in the NFL.
The Saints had the most. For context, the Seahawks had
eighty nine and that was seventeenth in the NFL. And
for the entire NFL, out of thirty three eighth and
twelve snaps Dave, ten point four percent of them were
(19:55):
with a back in the backfield. What does that mean?
Most defenses are seeing a single back and when they
do their run fits, they are generally seeing a one
back offense, whether it's a two by two formation or
what have you, or a three by one. Obviously sometimes
it's empty, but you're only seeing about ten percent of
(20:16):
the time a lead back back in the backfield. When
you have a lead back, the defense has to have
a account for a new gap at the point of attack.
So for example, a linebacker may say, oh, I got
this gap, but with the lead blocker, he says, well,
I have to take on the block with my outside
shoulder or my inside shoulder because I have to be
(20:37):
aware of the help where the help is. So there
is some processing that takes place there's also some physicality.
There's a play called ISO where the garden the center
down block. It leaves a hole in the gap between
the center and the other guard, and the full back
goes right through, and it's just Mono Amano, the full
(20:59):
back against the It's a physicality play. It's kind of
like who's who's the better man? And the linebacker has
to read it and he's got to go blow up
that fullback on the ISO play, and and he made
the best man win. So I think there's a certain
what did my Pete Carroll say? Closing the circle of
physicality with the running game and having that fullback And
(21:22):
again I mentioned in the first segment the similarity that
we're likely to see with the forty nine ers. You know,
Kyle Yusef, you know, arguably a Hall of Fame fullback
if you want to use if you want to put
fullbacks in the in the Hall of Fame. He's been
the best fullback for ten years.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
In the end, the guy, the.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Guy that you asked about with the Saints, his name
is Adam Prentiss. He's a free agent, by the way,
he's an unrestricted free agent. He was their full back
a year ago. You know how many snaps or exees
me carries he had last year for the Saints. Every
carries he had one, he had zero, he had zero,
But he had two hundred and seventy two snaps with
the Saints a year ago. The guy was literally there
just to block for people. And now he was a
free agent.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, and you know, maybe he'll be a Seahawk. But again,
just the idea that having that fullback. You know, on
first down when you go play action, if you want
to get in the I formation. Look, it sucks for
a quarterback in the sense of you take two out
of five of the eligible receivers and just stick them
behind you where they can't really run a pass route,
(22:21):
they can't stretch the defense, but you're far more likely
you get a single high coverage against that, and so
that means you have one on one on the outside.
So if if Geno feels comfortable turning his back, faking
the leads and ISOs and what have you out of
that two back formation and then turn rising up and
smoking a comeback out to the sideline to DK or
(22:43):
to JSN, those are the type of the things that
you see on first down and you can almost you
can be much more assured that you're going to see
favorable free access coverage when you're in that formation.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, you mentioned the guy there, DK Metcalf. I mean again,
this is we just keep having these conversations you over
and over and over and over again. I mean, is
this Are we talking about Shane Waldron? Are we talking
about Ryan Grubb? Are we talking about Brian Schottenheimer? Are
we talking about Clint Kubiak? Which coordinator?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Now?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Are we talking about where we are asking that guy
to get more out of DK Metcalf?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
After four guys, I've lost freaking track. I mean, dude,
is it?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Honestly, this is like groundhog Day with this stupid conversation
we have every time they fire a coordinator and they
hire a new guy or just sky going to be
able to get out of DK Metcalf. I mean what
year is this? Is this twenty twenty two or is
it twenty twenty five? Because I lost track?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, well I think that's a fair comment. I'll just
say this. If you exclude tight ends and you just
say wide receivers who are tight targeted one hundred or
more times, there's thirty five and then you say, well,
what percentage were each of those guys in the slot?
DK metcalf in the slot eleven point five percent. That
(23:59):
is dead last out of all receivers. The average is
thirty eight point seven percent. Okay, so we're talking about
the top thirty five most targeted receivers. Generally over a
third of them you're going to be in the slot.
And by the way, the sex are conspicuous in this look.
I'm looking right at the spreadsheet Jackson Smith and Jigba
(24:21):
is number one. He eighty one point two percent of
his snaps were in the slot, whereas DK just eleven
point five percent. And by the way, the second lowis
was Courtland Sutton out of Denver as sixteen point five percent.
So DK is last by a mile, and the majority
of those he's when he's outside, he's he's you know,
(24:42):
I gotta look at the number, but two thirds three
quarters of the time it's on the left side. So
in my talk with Gary Kubiak a few days ago,
we talked about DK Metcalfey, what do you think, And
the very first thing out of his mouth was, well,
you got to move him around. You can't just line
him up in the same spot. Well, Clink Kubiak said
the same thing in the press conference. And so, look,
(25:05):
you think of slot receiver as being a little lily
bitty quick guy. Well you also think of tight ends
who are flexed out a few yards from the formation.
They're big dudes. So why on earth would wide receivers
need to be only little quick guys. If you could
have a hybrid big receiver, that to me sounds logical
because he has attributes, does metcalf, He has attributes to
(25:29):
the tight end, and let teams figure out how they
gonna defend him in the slot.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, well we're gonna break. We'll ask miy Culbrin about
all that as well. He'll be here with us at
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on ninety three three KJRFM, It's now.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Time for Sunday in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Jimmy g paun Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Now let's have some fun with audio, all right, Hugh.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Mike Congrian is here.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Uh, he will join us at four o'clock this afternoon.
Get his thoughts on what he saw super Sunday. The Chiefs, Eagles, everybody,
the Seahawks. Moving forward, there he is right there. Here
we sing a lopal to our friend Mike Comrian. Okay,
than talking with him, talk with him next segment right
here on ninety three three KJRFM. I have a little
fun with audio slash. Hey did you hear that? Here
we go, Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We start in college football college Sports Alabama eighty Greg
Byrne joining ESPN Tuesday and shared his best idea to
get rid of field and court storming in college sports.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So, I think from a safety standpoint, keeping people off
the fields and the courts is a good thing for
everybody involved. If we said that the home team, if
they storm the field or the court, they're going to
lose that game right then and there.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That will stop it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I'm not overly optimistic and understand it's not a popular
opinion in a lot of people's view. I'll get criticized
for it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I do believe in it, And if somebody can come
up with something more that's a better idea that does
not include that, I'm all for it. I'm not saying
that's the only possible way. I'm convincing my own simple
mind that that would be something that would stop it.
I'd even be fine if you say, hey, let's give
it three minutes to get the team off the field
(27:52):
and then if they want to come down and celebrate, great.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
So how about that idea.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
If a team has a fan based storm the court
or a football game, they lose the game, they lose
the contest, which I would just say this, how about
we just let him storm the court?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
How about we just let him storm the field? I mean,
in the end, a big problem.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, I mean, I think there's a concern down the
road that somebody could get really hurt. There's no question
about that, that somebody could get really hurt at some
point in time.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
But I don't know. What do you make of that
idea from Greg Burn?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Hey, yeah, I think that's a little excessive. That sounded
like a fuddy duddy. Now I'm sympathetic that there. I
think that there should be fewer court stormings.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yes, more selection, be more selective.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Right now, who makes that decision? I don't know. I
feel like you just know it, you know, when it's
a situation where it's really an epic, you know, Vanderbilt
beats Alabama, that type of thing.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't know. I mean, in.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Nineteen sixty four, Justice Potter Stewart said, you know, I
can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it. Man,
So I can't tell you what upsets weren't storming a
but I think I know it when when I watched
the game and it was like, Okay, this is this
is extraordinary and so I think there's been a little
(29:09):
bit too much of it. But I think that's a
little bit of well.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Justice Potter, I assume is no longer with us, but
I would have loved to have gotten Justice Potter's thoughts
on pornography in sixty four versus twenty twenty five and
what he thinks of today's pornography versus what he saw
in nineteen sixty four. We're goet a new clip here. Hey, Dick,
did je Dick? Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Dick?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Let's go to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Chris Collinsworth joining Ky Adams on the Up and Adams
podcast yesterday and said the Eagles twenty twenty four draft pick,
if Cooper the Gene, could go down as the biggest second.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Round steal in the history of the NFL draft.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
The guys that they drafted this year, this Quinnon Mitchell
has just been a special player on the back end.
Cooper de Jen maybe the biggest steal that we've ever
seen in the second round of a draft, and what
he's done to shore up the slot position for that team.
They were really not good a season ago in the
(30:06):
slot Cooper's jen came back in there.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
You agree with that Steel Boomer?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Did you say that was Boomer?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
No, it's Chris Collinsworth.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, okay, Chris collinswor Okay, Well the greatest second round?
I mean there's a lot of Hall of Famers in
the second round. That's a little premature. I will say this.
In the twenty six years i've been studying the draft,
I look at all these guys who are projected to
be possible first runners. I look at all their bios,
and I see a lot of players that are two
sport athletes, and it's usually basketball, oddly enough, not baseball.
(30:37):
And there's a lot of good high school basketball players.
Some great high school basketball players were playing in the NFL.
A couple a little bit of a three sport. I've
never seen a bio like Cooper Degen. This guy was
a four sport all star in football. He started a
two time state champion as an athletic quarterback, through for
thirty five touchdowns, ran for twenty four senior year in
(30:58):
state title. He won one hundred meter at a ten
to seven. Yeah, uh won the long jump, was a
twenty six point per game in basketball, and set multiple records,
and I don't know his baseball sets. I think it
was like three to eighty in baseball. This guy there's
never been as all round a superstar athlete. And by
(31:19):
the way, jump on YouTube and watch his dunk reel.
This dude is six ' one. He looks like he's
jumping off a trampoline, like he's levitating. This is a
serious athlete. And uh, you know, he just he made
a great play in the Super Bowl where he's got
the flat zone. He's trying to buzz underneath it a
deep comeback, but then he he reads the eyes of
Mahomes and he falls back inside where Mahomes is going
(31:43):
to four to thread on an intermediate to deep crosser,
and he just it's his athletic awareness. You think of
all those things in baseball, what angle do I take
to get the ground ball? In basketball? What's my angles
on the on the three on two fast break? He
just has an athletic instinct that is, you know, way
beyond his ear.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Let me ask you this just real quick here, and
I mean real quick, because he went in the second round.
I can see Hawk fans saying, how im we didn'tet him? Well,
the Hawks didn't have a second round draft pick last year,
so they couldn't get him. They could have taken him
at number sixteen, which at that time would have been
a big reach. Felt like a big reach moving forward
just as well. Yeah, but you need three guys though,
right moving forward? Would you rather have Byron Murphy or
(32:22):
Cooper Degene on this defense?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Jeez, well, Cooper Dejene plays every play. If you had him,
you'd have Witherspoon out at corner and he'd be your nickel.
He'd be your nickel well wherever he goes.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
So I ask that question, I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Gonna be for the next five seven years. You'd rather
have Byron Murphy? Okay, that's fine, that's fine, all right,
three fifty four, we'll get a break. Maybe we'll ask
Mike Homber in that question.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Next.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
He's joining us from the five twenty Bar and Grill.
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