February 13, 2025 • 35 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen visit with Mike Holmgren for the hour, talking about Andy Reid, the Super Bowl blowout, the GOAT debate, Joe Montana in Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers, and Seattle’s new Offensive Coordinator Klint Kubiak.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
All Right, boys and girls wear back of the five
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the twenty twenty four to twenty five NFL football.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Season, because we're done after today.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I mean, if you want to keep coming every Thursday,
we'd love to have you, if you want to keep
showing up.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
No, it's I've it is. It is an emotional thing
for me though, he is you know, and I've told
you this before. The partnership we have is the teamwork
we have. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, that's right. Don't
always agree, That's right, he's a little stubborn sometimes on stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, how many people, how many people do you have
in your life that you've known for twenty six years?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I mean this guy is one of them.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I mean I, Hugh, I think I actually may have
met you and gotten to know you, uh, that exact
same season ninety nine. Yeah, new Heidel's first year on
the job. You were calling in as Hugh and Ken
Moore to go on the air with Mitching those guys
and just babble about football. And so I got to
know you and they got to know him in the
exact same year. And look at me now, right, look
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at look Look at how far I've come since I
met you, two guys, I mean backwards.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I've gone nowhere.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Name you are you kidding? You climbed to the top
of the map.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well let's go back to first of all, on Sunday,
I know you're pulling for your buddy Andy reid Man.
How do you think he's handling all this? He's got
three titles, He's a Hall of Famer no matter what.
He's one of the great coaches in the history of
the NFL. He was a part of your coaching tree.
You taught him everything, you know, but it's always about
the last game. Yeah, the last game for him was
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a bitter bitter pill. How do you think he's handling Sunday?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Well, I think it's it's hard, you know. He and
I kind of looked at things in a similar fashion,
and our emotions kind of were close, you know, and
so I remember and he remembers when I lost the
Super Bowl and I fortunately won one. But he's won
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a couple. But you lose one and it does stay
with you for a while. Now, he'll bounce back, you know,
he's he's a professional, he's a pro, but it it
hurts for a while, and you you, you the first
thing you do is what could I have done better
to help this team? What could I have done in
the planning, in the in the practice schedule? What what
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could I have done? And so he's dealing with that
right now. I have not talked to him. I will,
but I'm kind of letting him breathe a little bit,
you know.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Mike, the thirty third team asked me to do a presentation.
How about this. You had Ronde Barber doing the presentation
on the defensive from the Super Bowl, and Slappy Me
had to do the presentation for the offense and then
really studying that play. Just three plays, Mike, just to
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talk about the third play of the game for the Chiefs.
They're running a stick nod concept to the right right
and then out of empty and then you got Travis
Kelcey on the slot to the left to forty four under.
He comes in on the hook defenders, it's kind of
wide open, and Mahomes just throws it on his back hip.
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You know, Kelsey should have caught it, but you know,
I don't the ball placement that I would look at that,
and Andy would expect twenty four out of twenty five
times coming into that big hole that that would be
a completion. Then you had to play the third and
three down by their goal line, where he had Kelsey
kind of backing up on a little hitch and Jujus
Smith Schuster was coming wide open in the zone on
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a little eight yard bait, you know, eight yard cart
and Mahomes wasn't thrown the right way. And then I
look on the other side, Mike, on the two by
two side. There they had ran a slot a spot route,
Dave that's a slant and stop. But then the other receiver,
the rookie Worthy he he ran the exact same route.
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They were stacked on each other. That had all the
signs of a look like they hadn't repped that play enough.
And then I'll go Finally they take a sack. At
some point, Andy just says, hey, we got to get
a completion. It's second down. They go double thunder, which
Dave is just two guys hitching on the outside like
junior high football, and they're gonna max protect it, keep
a tight end in a back end, and Mahomes he
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misreads the coverage. They're rolling over to his left, his
feet get jammed up. He had a nice completion to
his right up Mic it's just a hitch six yard
hitch right and and then so he's late getting over there,
and now he takes a sack despite the fact that
it's max protection. And Andy must have been thinking, what
do I gotta do to get out of this funk?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Right?
Speaker 6 (05:01):
I mean just kind of it was one of those
days what's your reaction to Maybe they I don't know,
if they they didn't rep enough, too much new stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It just seemed really off for their level of precision.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
You know, I've been trying to think about that, Hugh,
and we talked a little bit about it on Monday,
You and I they the first play that Kelsey he
was he was, he got hit and then he smacked
him pretty good. Oh yeah, So all those those are
those are things that that's not good. The balls behind him,
he gets hit, well, he comes back and you know,
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so it kind of gained moment to my way thinking
the negative things that were happening, little things in the
beginning to your point, all those things you mentioned in
the past, it's it's like, no brainers. They're completions. They're completions,
they're gain yards gained, they're not sacks. And and you
start doing that and it starts to build on your
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right and in the quarterback, I don't know, you know,
I have my own Now this is way out of bounds,
so I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
A podcast with him, but you have to say it back.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
You know, there's so much, you know, there's so much
that goes into the Super Bowl that trying to keep
your team focused, that's that's one of the coaching tough things,
tough things to do during the week. Really it's a
super Bowl, but there's stuff going on all the time.
You couple that with I call it the Mahmes Kelsey stuff,
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you know, and is that what we're talking about? Just
it just is so Mahomes comes into the game, he
looked like, to me, you have a great player who
is very very consistent. So why is he not con
why is why is he seems out of sync? Why
is that happening? And I think the three peat, all
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this stuff that went into this Super Bowl, I think
had I really think it had an effect on him.
He'd never say no, one would ever say that, right,
you know, but I think it did. Well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
There's a reason why it's never been done obviously in
the history of the NFL, because teams have to find
a way to overcome all of that. I mean, look
at what happened to the Seahawks. Yeah, they they nearly
got broke from the inside out after that Patriot loss
and coming off to Denver win and all that stuff.
So I think it might be right egos get involved obviously.
I mean, they've also played more games than anybody in the.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
In the NFL. In seven years, they played twenty one
extra games.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I know, which is more than a full season.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No to Hughes, point though. They also and I want
to emphasize that it's we both coach high school football,
and so the plays he's talking about, they're they're completions.
They are completions, they're not they're not in completions, they're
not sacks. But it didn't happen in that game from
the best quarterback. Everyone's saying, the best quarterback in the
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league right now. Yeah, now that's that's that's hard to
explain it.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Honestly, you know your thought about sometimes you get a
little ahead of yourself. Mahomes had an interview before the
game and somebody I can't remember who was asking the question,
it doesn't matter, but they said, look, if you were
to win your third game, summarize what that would mean
in one word, what would that mean? And I kind
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of expect, like, like, I think Mahomes is a really classy interview.
I absolutely love this guy. I think he's give him
an a plus for how he handles the media. I mean,
he's accountable and all. And I didn't expect him to answer.
I thought he would just say, hey, look, well let's
let the you know, you know, let's let the game
play out. I don't want to get ahead of myself.
But he actually answered the question. He said greatness, you know,
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and I thought, wow, he's already put himself into that
position where he he thinks that they're gonna win, he
expects him to win. I don't know if that's bad Juja.
I don't know if that motivates the Eagles, but I
was surprised at his response. Would that surprise you if
you had seen it the way I described.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It, would it would? He's been enough, like you said,
he used to He handles himself very well, you know,
as far as the things I've seen him say. But
I know the Eagles. I know the Eagles used this
three p business to their advantage. I know that that happened. Sure,
so yes, it would surprise me. And then you know
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it's it's it was. It was kind of startling how
he played in the game. To me, Well, look, he
got sacked, he got rushed. I mean, look at the
offensive line was not good. But the ones I thought
he should complete. You know, we talked about it on
Monday too. On the one that the quick out that
the guy tipped away on fourth down, fourth down, Yeah,
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if he the way they did that, if he had
waited thirty half a second, he had a guy over
the middle wide open.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well and Dave to Mike's point, that
was a ford. This is the fourth down in the
third quarter was really the last raw the the uh
the Chiefs, excuse me, the the Eagles played cover four
a quarter. So the linebacker there, the nickel linebacker, if
he gets out what we call out and out and
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on top of one one being the closest guy to
the sideline, then you know, and that coverage, because there's
forty there has to be somebody opening the millfield, and
in fact there was you just because that guy only
uh uh he he only runs to the flat. If
number two meaning counting outside it. If number two goes
to the flat, he's got all of him. If number
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two goes to the inside like he did, you don't
buzz out, not in that coverage.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And so uh you know, Patrick just didn't read it out.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You ever learned a lot by hearing him talk, by
the way, you yeah, I don't like.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I never go home and call your buddies.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
If I told him, if I told him how much
I learned, he it'd be he couldn't handle it because
it'd be too good, he'd get it, get a swelled head.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Hey, dude, listen, Mike said. By the way, Mike, you
said that sometimes I'm stubborn. Listen, I invite des sent
especially from the Master. So anytime that I knowed from
me though now, I'm not saying i won't push back
a little, but I'm always going to defer to the Master.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, let's and we can have a good conversation.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Let's throw this out there then.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So Travis Kelcey, there's been some thought that maybe he's
done right. I mean, he's gonna go off from the
sunset and do his podcast with his brother, make it
a jillion dollars a year, get married to Taylor Swift,
and be a happy guy.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He's still caught ninety seven balls a year ago.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, I'd love to have that on the Seahawks
at the tight end position. If you're Andy Reid, do
you want Travis kelce back next year or do you think, hey,
maybe he's getting to a point where was he thirty five,
thirty six, whatever it is? Year, he's kind of getting
up there in age. I can spend that money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, I would want him back, but that conversation. I
would like to be a little fly on the wall
for that conversation because Andy will have that with him
because if even if even there's a part of him
that it's not sure right, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
About if he wants to play or not, Yeah, then
he should quit.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, Mike, you had Jerry Rice at the end.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I in all my years of studying guys, the the
one that that I remember the most was studying the
Super Bowl when the Ravens beat the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That was a twenty twelve season.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
And I throw on the coaches tape and I'm looking
at Randy Moss, Randy Moss, the Randy Moss, and he
looks like he needs a walker, you know, the kind
with the tennis balls on the bottom. Like I can't
believe how slow he is. And that's I'm checking the number.
Is that really Randy Moss. He doesn't look hurt, he
just looks old. And I thought Kelsey looked really sluggish
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in this. Just talk about some of the guys. It's
must be hard, Mike, specially hell Jerry Rice. It must
be hard when you're eyes he said, Well, he kind
of looks like Jerry, where's the same number kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I that's a familiar gait. I remember that.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
But how hard is it for you as a as
an evaluator to make those tough decisions? Say, yay, he
kind of looks like himself, but he's actually not. He's
actually a lot slower than he used to be.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well, if you know, you know, Jerry came in and
helped us my last year, and which I loved him
for that. I loved him anyway, but I love him
for that, But he wasn't the same guy. He wasn't
and he knew it. He knew it. He was pretty
honest about that. So but he kind of did something
for me on that as we had nobody. But yeah,
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I mean you got you get one of the greatest,
if not the greatest receiver of all time. I think
he is right, and you just got used to seeing him.
He would I'd have to remove him from practice with
the forty nine ers, so he just go to exhaustion,
but he'd go hard. I'd have to take him out
and just in practice. God, and then all of a sudden,
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you know, he I know he wanted to. But you
see the same thing and you notice it. Look at
it's a. The guys are playing longer now, you know,
Brady I was he forty five. You know, no one
does that. No one does that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So I'm I'm trying to think of another forty two
year old wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, you don't see.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Guys that play at forty two at wide receiver. Quarterbacks, kickers, yeah,
but wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
No.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
So when you said that he was honest about things
like did he literally tell you, hey man, there's just
things I can't do anymore?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Well, he's he told him about his knee. You know,
you know, normally he would not, right, but he came in,
he goes, you know, I'll give you everything I got,
but you gotta you know, my knees bothered me a
little bit. You know, I said, I thank you. Yeah,
you know, but you know what, but then you know
where you also saw. Where you see it most often,
I think is in running backs. You know, yeah, their
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their their their life stand. Their football life is typically
not as long because they get hit a lot more.
And uh but he and then the other part of
it is mentally in your drive. You still have to
really love it so much that you you know, I
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want to be carried off a field. I'm not someone's
gonna have to tell me. I'm not gonna tell.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Anybody, you know, Mike a lot of talk before the
game and some after about the goat talk for quarterback, right,
and there's someone who had said, Hey, if if Mahomes
had won this game, that that he'd be the goat.
I don't understand how that tabulates. But but is there
a question about Montana? Is even can we say that
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Mahomes that maybe it's a better discussion.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Has Mahomes past Montana? Of course Montana.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Joe had four Super Bowls, never threw a pick in
a Super Bowl. Four and zero in Super Bowls. You know,
Mahomes is three and two, but he has one more
playoff win. Where are you on all that stuff to
enjoy those conversations?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Right?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Are you inclined to to favor Joe in that regard
or just let it be the other guys?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Where where are you on these on these discussions? You know,
more people want to do it?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yeah, that's that seems to have for a long time.
I didn't know what goat meant, you know, honestly, I
honestly didn't. I had to ask somebody I said, oh mere.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Discussing him a ghost, the greatest pharmat.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
You know, he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't eat weeds
and cookies off the ground. But I don't like it,
you you know, And people ask me a lot. They
asked me all the time. You've heard him on shows,
and so you know, Okay, you had Young, you had Montana,
you had Forever. Which one's the best? Who would you
like on your team? I would never answer that because
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they were all special and they all were great. The
one thing I would say about Joe is his best
games is absolute best games were in the super Bowl
right now, with all the hype I talked about all
the hype and all that stuff. That's he showed up
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and he was that stuff didn't bother him too much.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Sure, well, everything's in context, obviously, And I think sometimes
we ding guys for getting to the Super Bowl and losing,
which I don't think we should do. I mean, you know,
it's like Lebron and Mahomes. I mean, Brady was also
what you three and two in his first five because
he lost to the Giants twice in a row, I
think correct in number four, number five, and Mahomes is
now three and two. The difference, guys, for me between
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Mahomes and Brady, and there's no way to even remotely
understand this for a long time. Is Mahomes twenty nine?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Do I have that?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Right?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Here?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Was he twenty nine years old? So Tom Brady after
the age of forty led the league in yards twice,
touchdowns once attempts three times, went sixty eight and thirty
through one hundred and ninety three touchdowns, twenty seven thousand yards,
fourteen playoff games, went to three Super Bowls and won
two championships, and led the NFL and yards and touchdowns
at the age of forty four. So let's see Mahomes
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do that when he gets to four, right, Let's see
what he does when he's forty years old?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, and doesn't have the.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Arm or running around the way he is.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
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Speaker 3 (18:25):
All right, we're back here on a Thursday afternoon from
the five twenty Bar and Grill. Last visit of the
year here with our friend Mike Hombran, who's gonna take
some time off and guys, got a vacation coming up
this this offseason.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, we're heading for heading to Hawaii and then we're
gonna take a trip to Scotland and then there, you know,
they're tending our building where we live, right so where
we used to be a lookout on the lake. Now
I see scaffolding, I see guys, and this guy's looking
right into the you know. So so it's gonna last
a year.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Oh boy.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
So we're gonna head down to our place in California
for a while. Yeah, then go to Scotland.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, if you need someone to carry your bags for you,
let me and Hugh know were golf in Scotland aps
of freakingly, you kid me, we're right there with you.
So here, I want to revisit that Joe Montana conversation.
I'm glad you pig that up because it kind of
feels like people have just forgotten about him, that this
goat conversation is a two man race when really it
probably should be a three man race.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, and I love what Mike said about how Montana
was at his best in the Super Bowls. And Mike,
I'm going to take you back, take us back, Dave
to January of eighty nine, and this is the culmination
of the eighty eight season. Now, guys, prior to that,
the most recent five Super Bowls, the margin of victory
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in order in most recent had been thirty two points,
nineteen points, thirty six, twenty two, and twenty nine points
blowouts across the board. Now, finally, there's three minutes and
ten seconds to go in this Super Bowl, and you
and your Niners are trailing sixteen to thirteen to the Bengals,
and you get the ball at your own eight yard
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line with three ten to go. And I was playing
for the Falcons. I remember I couldn't even sit on
the couch. I I was sitting on the floor right
from the TV. I said, I have been waiting for this.
Joe Montana ninety two yards three ten. You were his coach.
What memories do you have of what you said to him?
What was important to you, guys, obviously? Was it turned
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out to be a drive of glory for you guys,
but share with us some of your memories and some
of the important points of that.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Well, you know what, first of all, I was that
was the season that Danny Green left to go to Stanford.
And so going into the playoffs, Bill all of a
sudden started started acting different. You know he before in
other words, a couple of times he told me put
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in the first fifteen. You put it in. And I
wasn't the coordinator. I was the quarterback coach. But and
then I usually go to him and show and he goes,
these are good instead of changing things. And so and
then I'd call the game and he'd go, you know,
he go because he always called the game, and we
didn't know that he was going to resign, and he
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was kind of going through this this time. So you know,
we'd play beat the Bear. We have a kind of
a good thing going there. And then we get to
the Super Bowl and I'm sitting there. I got a
great picture of Bill and I sitting in folding chairs
just talking to each other in the locker room about
what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And he goes talking about going you.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Just call it, call the game. I'm nervous, you know,
sir going, oh boy. So I go call the game
and he goes, if I if I want a change
to play, I'll change the play. So he's let me
do it, you know. And I halftime, I talked to Joe,
and Joe's comfortable with everything. Cincinnati was. They're a really
good team. And then when we got to the last drive,
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I was talking to him. I said, he goes, I
got it. He just goes, this is Joe, You're saying,
Joe said I got it? Or Bill said no, no, no,
Bill said Bill, Bill, No. Joe said that. Okay, and
so and so we're calling a couple of plays and
and he do you know the John Candy story. Sure,
he's tell tell us, tell us, well, he's in I
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know it, but tell tell us.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
The thing is, like you said, eight on the eight
yard line. There were three minutes to go Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
What's the score at this point?
Speaker 5 (22:31):
You think sixteen thirteen? Tight game?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Really? So we need a touchdown a field goal, tie,
but we need a touchdown. So he goes, Randy Cross
told me this. He's in the houddel and you know
they're lineing her and Joe goes, Hey, look over there
and behind him in the in the end zone is
John Candy standing there. Hey, that's John Candy. I go, okay,
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let's focus focus. Could you hear this in your headsets?
I couldn't hear it, you know. But but then so
we were going down there and on the touchdown, on
the touchdown, and he threw to John Taylor to win
the game.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
He Roger Craig went motion the wrong direction. I called
to play you and he should have been a blue.
So a strong set with Roger, with Roger going to
the left and throwing the slant, he said, instead he
he lined up in brown the other side and went
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the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Wow, right instead left.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Like I said, Now, I have no I have no
distraction over there. Oh my goodness, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
When when Bill came to you and said, I'm gonna
take over right the play calling there.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And that's right.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
No, he didn't know, Joe, Joe said, confused, Joe said,
when he said, I got it, sorry, Dave. When he
said I got it, he does, I mean, I got
the play calls, I got the situation.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
He was telling me to calm down.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I got you, Okay, that's what he was telling thought.
I thought like you, because I'll tell you he was
taking over the place Peyton Manning used to do.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Correct, I told you during this during the week, you know,
I'm I'm no, I'm not calling the plays and I'm
kind of like the coordinator now. So offensive meeting, we're
looking at film, looking at film again. All of a sudden,
the light's go on. This is on a Thursday or
a Friday. Yeah, the lights go on and I go,
what They're all behind me, the players behind me. Joe
comes up, puts his hand on my shoulder and goes, Mike,
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we've seen this film three times this week. He goes,
We're okay, we got this.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Did you need that, though? I go, did you need
him to tell you? That was that?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Well? I was, you know, I was you know, I
was young and ye incited.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
How old were you back then, by the way, early Thursday?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Uh no, I was probably late third. Now, guys, get
I got my job with the Packers. I was forty four, Okay,
so it was I was forty.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, Mike, you've been.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
He've been in a lot of those lockers with the
forty nine ers, the Packers, the Seahawks. Did he ever
see guys where you just go, I'm really concerned this
guy is just too wigged out, like like the pressures
getting to this guy.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Obviously it didn't get to Joe.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
But did you ever think, because you never know how
a guy's gonna handle that level of pressure, right, did you?
Was there ever a time where coaches says, hey, hey,
we got to have a plan for how to work
with this in case somebody is just can't handle this pressure.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
No, I think you have a plan B probably in
your pocket, but I can't say that. Look look at
That's one of the things I think that's really important
in preparing your team for a game like the super Bowl,
is that if you do see that. I did never
have to do that, but if you I've thought about it.
But if you do see that, then you got to
figure out a way to handle it. Get him off
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the off the ledge, do something funny.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Or would you say, oh, you crack a joker.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Crack a joker, like when I had that table full
of one dollar bills and yeah, pulled it off, you know, yeah,
get them laughing a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, Well, Mike congrun's with us from the five twenty
bar and grill moving away from the Super Bowl. Everything
happening that took place on Sunday, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Boom, Yeah, one eight hundred divorce, they're done.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
That does that surprise you have done? Surprise?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
No, it doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I mean, there was a rumor going around that the
Jets had asked Aaron Rodgers to stop doing the Pat
McAfee show, you're talking too much, get off the air,
start playing quarterback, and no one Aaron Rodgers he probably
told him to stick it right. That's just his personality. So,
I mean, if you've got a need for a quarterback,
if you're a general manager right now, the guy, he's
forty two, he had a decent year. He wasn't terrible
for the Jets last year, but he's also getting up
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there in age. Would you have a lot of interest
in signing him?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
You know, and now it's determined by the money now
more than anything else. I think. Can he play still?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Maybe not like in his prime, but he can still play.
But oh gosh, that'd be hard for me, And that'd
be hard for me to sign somebody that just how
he's how he's kind of conducting himself the last couple
three years. You know that that body. Yeah, but that's me.
You know, I said, I'm the coach here the player.
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, I mean everybody can see it, whether you're in
La New Orleans or Omaha, that the guy's kind of
a pain of the ass, that he's kind of a.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Diva right here.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I mean, we've been talking about this for ten years.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
There's been a lot of documentation and stories about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
He just he looks to me. And again, I'm not
behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm just from what I read, he looks to me
to not be the world's best teammate right now.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What do you think you uh?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Yeah, I really didn't like him calling out a receiver
where he's saying, hey, you know, we're supposed to be
we're supposed to have a post down the middle, and
we're supposed to get out to the numbers Mike on
a you know, on a four verts concept. You know,
he was calling out a receiver and I can't remember
the details, but he was saying he's supposed to get
to the red line, meaning Dave to the outside the sideline,
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and so he was saying.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Shacks you when he's doing that stuff. He's always like
explaining it to me. How come he's not explaining it?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
We we we read the same books.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Oh you got you just making sure you know?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I know?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, I start talking the language with Mike.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
And then I'm then yeah, so so at an event,
I thought that was Yeah, he has been a DVA.
He's been he's been high maintenance. I think that that uh,
that idea that he needs to be where in Egypt
or something. And and doing the seance on the on
mini camp after he had come back he had torn
his achilles heel. You're trying to have a fresh start
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and you miss a mandatory mini camp. I that that
just crosses the line.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It didn't lock himself in some hole or something and meditating.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yea room, Yeah, we'll talk to you. Don't talk to
anybody for three days.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
You ever consider doing something like that room, like a
cleanse or whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I almost did it last week.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
When he doesn't do the chores, Kathy puts him in
the back room.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I love that he almost did it last week.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
All right, we'll get a break.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
One more segment with Mike and Hugh, and then we
got four nations Hockey USA and Finland from Montreal coming
up at five Right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Softian Dick with mikee Holm Grin from the five twenty
Bar and Grill in Bellevue. Continue on your home for
the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ
r FM.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Hey, guys, we got a hockey game coming up, the
Four Nations Face Off Tournament. You guys are aware what
they're doing now in the NHL. Yeah, there's no All
Star Game this year Canada, USA, Finland and Sweden.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Your people sid are still in there.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
You don't have to be rich, you just have to
be small.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
They're all going into you know what?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You should really do that by the way, you should
go work at Ikia for a kid. Yeah, there were
a lot about doing something like that.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I love Why not?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Why not go work there?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I'd be at the Swedish meat ball concession.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Come on a dozand percent with you.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Except you would come in and get his What do
you get again? Christmas? What do you get?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
What do you get for Christmas? What to eat?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
There's no candy? That's fine?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Sweetest meatballs are fine Italian meatballs are fine ball.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
That's the only thing we disagree about.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It really is funny that any any food item that
you can make into a ball, just for some reason,
tastes better. I mean, because let's face it, a meatball
is basically meat loaf in a big round form. That's
what it is, right and at a meat loaf is
a meatball in a rectangular form. So if you want
to go work in a kya for a weekend, I'll
come down and I'll support you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I'll even buy a better at desk from you.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But we got the Four Nations face off game tonight
USA Finland at five o'clock. All right, so Kansas City,
obviously we talked about them going forward. How about the Seahawks,
and how about Clint kuobiac I don't know if you're
started a press conference at all on Tuesday A little
with this guy. He comes in here and he says, look,
I want to have a fullback and I want to
run the outside zone, and I need an elite center
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to help me do it.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I want to ask both of you guys the same question.
Mike will start with you.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
If Clint Kubiak came to you and said, coach let's
imagine we don't sign one player over the offseason and
I have the same guys coming back. How do I
get more points out of this group than what they
got out of him a year ago.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Yeah? Well, first of all, I think, you know, the
offensive line has to play better. So and and they
got a new coach, they got a new staff. That's
a challenge in itself because you got new guys. Of
the communication, you got to learn new people all over again.
So I think if they don't make any good, big
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time changes in there, it's going to be tough sledding.
You got a new coach coming in. He wants to
do certain things. I get it. You want to run
the ball, I get it. You know, particularly Alex Gibbs,
who you know, you know that zone blocking scheme. That
was his baby and he was good at Denver. And
so if they want to do that, okay, but can
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your guys do that? Can they? I don't, you know,
I'm skeptical.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah how about you?
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Well, let's just follow up on that with Mike. What
are you skeptical about the personnel and running the outside zone?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah? Well, the personnel, I think, you know, the the
interior three, the guards in the center. You know, they
just had a tough year and so and the tackles,
you know, across as a he's a good pass protector.
It's just changes. I think what they have to learn
and what they have to do, and that takes time.
(32:26):
I think it takes time. And so if you want
to improve right away, you know. But but the thing
that I think he will do, you're gonna see more screens.
You're gonna see more play pass. You're gonna get Gino
off the spot just a little bit, yeah, you know,
and that will help the quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
He says he wants a full back. Is that necessary
in this offense?
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Yes, of course. I'm a fullback person. Max Strong and
then Roger Craig and the guys we had in San Francisco,
and you know, you need a full back. I'm a
full back person because I like also but I also
like taking getting the snap from center. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
So well, we're gonna see more of that.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
The Saints were number one in the NFL and plays
with a full back, be it a true full back
or be it a tight end in the backfield. Mike
two hundred thirty six plays was number one in the NFL. Uh,
you say you're a full back person. Elaborate on that.
What does what is being a full back person mean
to you? And and uh and and and why is
that important for you?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I think it allows allows me as a play caller, okay,
to be to be pretty open on the type of
things I can do on first down in particular, and
then also in the red zone, and and those two
things we have worked well for us. You know, it's
worked well and if you get the right person. But
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you know, Hugh I went to USC Okay, we had
a fullback, Danny stot He that's what his job was
to take on you talked about isolation. We opened everything
up and he had to block the linebacker every game
sixty times. Is to you know, poor kid, right, you know.
But then you got oj running behind him or somebody
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running behind him.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yep, and it works well. We talked about this before
he showed up.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
The same set of kid named Adam Prentiss last year
who played I think two hundred and thirty six snaps,
didn't carry the ball one time.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Oh for the warrants. And he's a free agent, by
the way.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Well, you got to give a guy one get strong.
I give Mac a couple year. Don't listen, don't mess
it up.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I love it. I love it. Hey, man, No here,
we gotta get out of here. I got it. We
got to make way for hockey. Hey, it's been a
hell of a season.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, hey, Hugh, thank you, thank you, Dave, thank you,
good thank.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You for doing this, because I know that there's a
lot of things you could be doing with your retirement
and talking to us. Probably when you envision this and
retirement thing about twenty years ago, talking to us was
not even on the radar. But you're still doing this
every single year. So could not imagine this without you.
All right, Please, for the love of God, don't ever leave,
or if you leave, take me with you.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I will. But you know you and I, You and
I are going to go to New York and go
to the office of the NFL talk about the officials.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
There we are.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah, you go.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I love it. Take me with you on that for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
All right, get out of here, man, We'll see you soon,
all right, Mike Homer with us on the radio show.
We're gonna get out of here, Hugh and get a
break because we got four nations Hockey USA and Finland.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
What the NHL is doing this year. It's amazing what
hockey's doing.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Canada, USA, Finland, Sweden all getting together with a big
old tournament and it starts tonight for the Americans and
for Finland. Canada beat Sweden yesterday for to three and overtime,
so we'll see what happens tonight in this game in Montreal. Tomorrow,
you're back in for Dick. Right at three o'clock, we're
gonna dive into Clint Koobiak, the Seahawk off season, the
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Gino Smith question, the John Schnyder question, all that and
more starting at three. Big thanks for the five twenty
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Speaker 4 (35:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
Season, because we're done after today.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I mean, if you want to keep coming every Thursday,
we'd love to have you, if you want to keep
showing up.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
No, it's I've it is. It is an emotional thing
for me though, he is you know, and I've told
you this before. The partnership we have is the teamwork
we have. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, that's right. Don't
always agree, That's right, he's a little stubborn sometimes on stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, how many people, how many people do you have
in your life that you've known for twenty six years?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I mean this guy is one of them.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I mean I, Hugh, I think I actually may have
met you and gotten to know you, uh, that exact
same season ninety nine. Yeah, new Heidel's first year on
the job. You were calling in as Hugh and Ken
Moore to go on the air with Mitching those guys
and just babble about football. And so I got to
know you and they got to know him in the
exact same year. And look at me now, right, look
(01:30):
at look Look at how far I've come since I
met you, two guys, I mean backwards.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I've gone nowhere.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Name you are you kidding? You climbed to the top
of the map.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well let's go back to first of all, on Sunday,
I know you're pulling for your buddy Andy reid Man.
How do you think he's handling all this? He's got
three titles, He's a Hall of Famer no matter what.
He's one of the great coaches in the history of
the NFL. He was a part of your coaching tree.
You taught him everything, you know, but it's always about
the last game. Yeah, the last game for him was
(01:59):
a bitter bitter pill. How do you think he's handling Sunday?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Well, I think it's it's hard, you know. He and
I kind of looked at things in a similar fashion,
and our emotions kind of were close, you know, and
so I remember and he remembers when I lost the
Super Bowl and I fortunately won one. But he's won
(02:23):
a couple. But you lose one and it does stay
with you for a while. Now, he'll bounce back, you know,
he's he's a professional, he's a pro, but it it
hurts for a while, and you you, you the first
thing you do is what could I have done better
to help this team? What could I have done in
the planning, in the in the practice schedule? What what
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could I have done? And so he's dealing with that
right now. I have not talked to him. I will,
but I'm kind of letting him breathe a little bit,
you know.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Mike, the thirty third team asked me to do a presentation.
How about this. You had Ronde Barber doing the presentation
on the defensive from the Super Bowl, and Slappy Me
had to do the presentation for the offense and then
really studying that play. Just three plays, Mike, just to
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talk about the third play of the game for the Chiefs.
They're running a stick nod concept to the right right
and then out of empty and then you got Travis
Kelcey on the slot to the left to forty four under.
He comes in on the hook defenders, it's kind of
wide open, and Mahomes just throws it on his back hip.
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You know, Kelsey should have caught it, but you know,
I don't the ball placement that I would look at that,
and Andy would expect twenty four out of twenty five
times coming into that big hole that that would be
a completion. Then you had to play the third and
three down by their goal line, where he had Kelsey
kind of backing up on a little hitch and Jujus
Smith Schuster was coming wide open in the zone on
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a little eight yard bait, you know, eight yard cart
and Mahomes wasn't thrown the right way. And then I
look on the other side, Mike, on the two by
two side. There they had ran a slot a spot route,
Dave that's a slant and stop. But then the other receiver,
the rookie Worthy he he ran the exact same route.
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They were stacked on each other. That had all the
signs of a look like they hadn't repped that play enough.
And then I'll go Finally they take a sack. At
some point, Andy just says, hey, we got to get
a completion. It's second down. They go double thunder, which
Dave is just two guys hitching on the outside like
junior high football, and they're gonna max protect it, keep
a tight end in a back end, and Mahomes he
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misreads the coverage. They're rolling over to his left, his
feet get jammed up. He had a nice completion to
his right up Mic it's just a hitch six yard
hitch right and and then so he's late getting over there,
and now he takes a sack despite the fact that
it's max protection. And Andy must have been thinking, what
do I gotta do to get out of this funk?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Right?
Speaker 6 (05:01):
I mean just kind of it was one of those
days what's your reaction to Maybe they I don't know,
if they they didn't rep enough, too much new stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It just seemed really off for their level of precision.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
You know, I've been trying to think about that, Hugh,
and we talked a little bit about it on Monday,
You and I they the first play that Kelsey he
was he was, he got hit and then he smacked
him pretty good. Oh yeah, So all those those are
those are things that that's not good. The balls behind him,
he gets hit, well, he comes back and you know,
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so it kind of gained moment to my way thinking
the negative things that were happening, little things in the
beginning to your point, all those things you mentioned in
the past, it's it's like, no brainers. They're completions. They're completions,
they're gain yards gained, they're not sacks. And and you
start doing that and it starts to build on your
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right and in the quarterback, I don't know, you know,
I have my own Now this is way out of bounds,
so I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
A podcast with him, but you have to say it back.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
You know, there's so much, you know, there's so much
that goes into the Super Bowl that trying to keep
your team focused, that's that's one of the coaching tough things,
tough things to do during the week. Really it's a
super Bowl, but there's stuff going on all the time.
You couple that with I call it the Mahmes Kelsey stuff,
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you know, and is that what we're talking about? Just
it just is so Mahomes comes into the game, he
looked like, to me, you have a great player who
is very very consistent. So why is he not con
why is why is he seems out of sync? Why
is that happening? And I think the three peat, all
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this stuff that went into this Super Bowl, I think
had I really think it had an effect on him.
He'd never say no, one would ever say that, right,
you know, but I think it did. Well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
There's a reason why it's never been done obviously in
the history of the NFL, because teams have to find
a way to overcome all of that. I mean, look
at what happened to the Seahawks. Yeah, they they nearly
got broke from the inside out after that Patriot loss
and coming off to Denver win and all that stuff.
So I think it might be right egos get involved obviously.
I mean, they've also played more games than anybody in the.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
In the NFL. In seven years, they played twenty one
extra games.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I know, which is more than a full season.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No to Hughes, point though. They also and I want
to emphasize that it's we both coach high school football,
and so the plays he's talking about, they're they're completions.
They are completions, they're not they're not in completions, they're
not sacks. But it didn't happen in that game from
the best quarterback. Everyone's saying, the best quarterback in the
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league right now. Yeah, now that's that's that's hard to
explain it.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Honestly, you know your thought about sometimes you get a
little ahead of yourself. Mahomes had an interview before the
game and somebody I can't remember who was asking the question,
it doesn't matter, but they said, look, if you were
to win your third game, summarize what that would mean
in one word, what would that mean? And I kind
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of expect, like, like, I think Mahomes is a really classy interview.
I absolutely love this guy. I think he's give him
an a plus for how he handles the media. I mean,
he's accountable and all. And I didn't expect him to answer.
I thought he would just say, hey, look, well let's
let the you know, you know, let's let the game
play out. I don't want to get ahead of myself.
But he actually answered the question. He said greatness, you know,
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and I thought, wow, he's already put himself into that
position where he he thinks that they're gonna win, he
expects him to win. I don't know if that's bad Juja.
I don't know if that motivates the Eagles, but I
was surprised at his response. Would that surprise you if
you had seen it the way I described.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It, would it would? He's been enough, like you said,
he used to He handles himself very well, you know,
as far as the things I've seen him say. But
I know the Eagles. I know the Eagles used this
three p business to their advantage. I know that that happened. Sure,
so yes, it would surprise me. And then you know
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it's it's it was. It was kind of startling how
he played in the game. To me, Well, look, he
got sacked, he got rushed. I mean, look at the
offensive line was not good. But the ones I thought
he should complete. You know, we talked about it on
Monday too. On the one that the quick out that
the guy tipped away on fourth down, fourth down, Yeah,
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if he the way they did that, if he had
waited thirty half a second, he had a guy over
the middle wide open.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well and Dave to Mike's point, that
was a ford. This is the fourth down in the
third quarter was really the last raw the the uh
the Chiefs, excuse me, the the Eagles played cover four
a quarter. So the linebacker there, the nickel linebacker, if
he gets out what we call out and out and
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on top of one one being the closest guy to
the sideline, then you know, and that coverage, because there's
forty there has to be somebody opening the millfield, and
in fact there was you just because that guy only
uh uh he he only runs to the flat. If
number two meaning counting outside it. If number two goes
to the flat, he's got all of him. If number
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two goes to the inside like he did, you don't
buzz out, not in that coverage.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And so uh you know, Patrick just didn't read it out.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You ever learned a lot by hearing him talk, by
the way, you yeah, I don't like.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I never go home and call your buddies.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
If I told him, if I told him how much
I learned, he it'd be he couldn't handle it because
it'd be too good, he'd get it, get a swelled head.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Hey, dude, listen, Mike said. By the way, Mike, you
said that sometimes I'm stubborn. Listen, I invite des sent
especially from the Master. So anytime that I knowed from
me though now, I'm not saying i won't push back
a little, but I'm always going to defer to the Master.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, let's and we can have a good conversation.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Let's throw this out there then.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So Travis Kelcey, there's been some thought that maybe he's
done right. I mean, he's gonna go off from the
sunset and do his podcast with his brother, make it
a jillion dollars a year, get married to Taylor Swift,
and be a happy guy.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He's still caught ninety seven balls a year ago.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, I'd love to have that on the Seahawks
at the tight end position. If you're Andy Reid, do
you want Travis kelce back next year or do you think, hey,
maybe he's getting to a point where was he thirty five,
thirty six, whatever it is? Year, he's kind of getting
up there in age. I can spend that money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, I would want him back, but that conversation. I
would like to be a little fly on the wall
for that conversation because Andy will have that with him
because if even if even there's a part of him
that it's not sure right, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
About if he wants to play or not, Yeah, then
he should quit.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, Mike, you had Jerry Rice at the end.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I in all my years of studying guys, the the
one that that I remember the most was studying the
Super Bowl when the Ravens beat the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That was a twenty twelve season.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
And I throw on the coaches tape and I'm looking
at Randy Moss, Randy Moss, the Randy Moss, and he
looks like he needs a walker, you know, the kind
with the tennis balls on the bottom. Like I can't
believe how slow he is. And that's I'm checking the number.
Is that really Randy Moss. He doesn't look hurt, he
just looks old. And I thought Kelsey looked really sluggish
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in this. Just talk about some of the guys. It's
must be hard, Mike, specially hell Jerry Rice. It must
be hard when you're eyes he said, Well, he kind
of looks like Jerry, where's the same number kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I that's a familiar gait. I remember that.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
But how hard is it for you as a as
an evaluator to make those tough decisions? Say, yay, he
kind of looks like himself, but he's actually not. He's
actually a lot slower than he used to be.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well, if you know, you know, Jerry came in and
helped us my last year, and which I loved him
for that. I loved him anyway, but I love him
for that, But he wasn't the same guy. He wasn't
and he knew it. He knew it. He was pretty
honest about that. So but he kind of did something
for me on that as we had nobody. But yeah,
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I mean you got you get one of the greatest,
if not the greatest receiver of all time. I think
he is right, and you just got used to seeing him.
He would I'd have to remove him from practice with
the forty nine ers, so he just go to exhaustion,
but he'd go hard. I'd have to take him out
and just in practice. God, and then all of a sudden,
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you know, he I know he wanted to. But you
see the same thing and you notice it. Look at
it's a. The guys are playing longer now, you know,
Brady I was he forty five. You know, no one
does that. No one does that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So I'm I'm trying to think of another forty two
year old wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, you don't see.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Guys that play at forty two at wide receiver. Quarterbacks, kickers, yeah,
but wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
No.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
So when you said that he was honest about things
like did he literally tell you, hey man, there's just
things I can't do anymore?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Well, he's he told him about his knee. You know,
you know, normally he would not, right, but he came in,
he goes, you know, I'll give you everything I got,
but you gotta you know, my knees bothered me a
little bit. You know, I said, I thank you. Yeah,
you know, but you know what, but then you know
where you also saw. Where you see it most often,
I think is in running backs. You know, yeah, their
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their their their life stand. Their football life is typically
not as long because they get hit a lot more.
And uh but he and then the other part of
it is mentally in your drive. You still have to
really love it so much that you you know, I
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want to be carried off a field. I'm not someone's
gonna have to tell me. I'm not gonna tell.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Anybody, you know, Mike a lot of talk before the
game and some after about the goat talk for quarterback, right,
and there's someone who had said, Hey, if if Mahomes
had won this game, that that he'd be the goat.
I don't understand how that tabulates. But but is there
a question about Montana? Is even can we say that
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Mahomes that maybe it's a better discussion.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Has Mahomes past Montana? Of course Montana.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Joe had four Super Bowls, never threw a pick in
a Super Bowl. Four and zero in Super Bowls. You know,
Mahomes is three and two, but he has one more
playoff win. Where are you on all that stuff to
enjoy those conversations?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Right?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Are you inclined to to favor Joe in that regard
or just let it be the other guys?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Where where are you on these on these discussions? You know,
more people want to do it?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yeah, that's that seems to have for a long time.
I didn't know what goat meant, you know, honestly, I
honestly didn't. I had to ask somebody I said, oh mere.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Discussing him a ghost, the greatest pharmat.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
You know, he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't eat weeds
and cookies off the ground. But I don't like it,
you you know, And people ask me a lot. They
asked me all the time. You've heard him on shows,
and so you know, Okay, you had Young, you had Montana,
you had Forever. Which one's the best? Who would you
like on your team? I would never answer that because
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they were all special and they all were great. The
one thing I would say about Joe is his best
games is absolute best games were in the super Bowl
right now, with all the hype I talked about all
the hype and all that stuff. That's he showed up
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and he was that stuff didn't bother him too much.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Sure, well, everything's in context, obviously, And I think sometimes
we ding guys for getting to the Super Bowl and losing,
which I don't think we should do. I mean, you know,
it's like Lebron and Mahomes. I mean, Brady was also
what you three and two in his first five because
he lost to the Giants twice in a row, I
think correct in number four, number five, and Mahomes is
now three and two. The difference, guys, for me between
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Mahomes and Brady, and there's no way to even remotely
understand this for a long time. Is Mahomes twenty nine?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Do I have that?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Right?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Here?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Was he twenty nine years old? So Tom Brady after
the age of forty led the league in yards twice,
touchdowns once attempts three times, went sixty eight and thirty
through one hundred and ninety three touchdowns, twenty seven thousand yards,
fourteen playoff games, went to three Super Bowls and won
two championships, and led the NFL and yards and touchdowns
at the age of forty four. So let's see Mahomes
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do that when he gets to four, right, Let's see
what he does when he's forty years old?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, and doesn't have the.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Arm or running around the way he is.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Right now, we're gonna quick break more with you more
with Mike Holmgrin from the five twenty bar and grill
right here on ninety three three KJJRFM.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Softian Dick with Mike Holmbrin from the five twenty bar
and Grill in Bellevue continue on your home for the
twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
All right, we're back here on a Thursday afternoon from
the five twenty Bar and Grill. Last visit of the
year here with our friend Mike Hombran, who's gonna take
some time off and guys, got a vacation coming up
this this offseason.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, we're heading for heading to Hawaii and then we're
gonna take a trip to Scotland and then there, you know,
they're tending our building where we live, right so where
we used to be a lookout on the lake. Now
I see scaffolding, I see guys, and this guy's looking
right into the you know. So so it's gonna last
a year.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Oh boy.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
So we're gonna head down to our place in California
for a while. Yeah, then go to Scotland.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, if you need someone to carry your bags for you,
let me and Hugh know were golf in Scotland aps
of freakingly, you kid me, we're right there with you.
So here, I want to revisit that Joe Montana conversation.
I'm glad you pig that up because it kind of
feels like people have just forgotten about him, that this
goat conversation is a two man race when really it
probably should be a three man race.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, and I love what Mike said about how Montana
was at his best in the Super Bowls. And Mike,
I'm going to take you back, take us back, Dave
to January of eighty nine, and this is the culmination
of the eighty eight season. Now, guys, prior to that,
the most recent five Super Bowls, the margin of victory
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in order in most recent had been thirty two points,
nineteen points, thirty six, twenty two, and twenty nine points
blowouts across the board. Now, finally, there's three minutes and
ten seconds to go in this Super Bowl, and you
and your Niners are trailing sixteen to thirteen to the Bengals,
and you get the ball at your own eight yard
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line with three ten to go. And I was playing
for the Falcons. I remember I couldn't even sit on
the couch. I I was sitting on the floor right
from the TV. I said, I have been waiting for this.
Joe Montana ninety two yards three ten. You were his coach.
What memories do you have of what you said to him?
What was important to you, guys, obviously? Was it turned
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out to be a drive of glory for you guys,
but share with us some of your memories and some
of the important points of that.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Well, you know what, first of all, I was that
was the season that Danny Green left to go to Stanford.
And so going into the playoffs, Bill all of a
sudden started started acting different. You know he before in
other words, a couple of times he told me put
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in the first fifteen. You put it in. And I
wasn't the coordinator. I was the quarterback coach. But and
then I usually go to him and show and he goes,
these are good instead of changing things. And so and
then I'd call the game and he'd go, you know,
he go because he always called the game, and we
didn't know that he was going to resign, and he
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was kind of going through this this time. So you know,
we'd play beat the Bear. We have a kind of
a good thing going there. And then we get to
the Super Bowl and I'm sitting there. I got a
great picture of Bill and I sitting in folding chairs
just talking to each other in the locker room about
what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And he goes talking about going you.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Just call it, call the game. I'm nervous, you know,
sir going, oh boy. So I go call the game
and he goes, if I if I want a change
to play, I'll change the play. So he's let me
do it, you know. And I halftime, I talked to Joe,
and Joe's comfortable with everything. Cincinnati was. They're a really
good team. And then when we got to the last drive,
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I was talking to him. I said, he goes, I
got it. He just goes, this is Joe, You're saying,
Joe said I got it? Or Bill said no, no, no,
Bill said Bill, Bill, No. Joe said that. Okay, and
so and so we're calling a couple of plays and
and he do you know the John Candy story. Sure,
he's tell tell us, tell us, well, he's in I
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know it, but tell tell us.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
The thing is, like you said, eight on the eight
yard line. There were three minutes to go Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
What's the score at this point?
Speaker 5 (22:31):
You think sixteen thirteen? Tight game?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Really? So we need a touchdown a field goal, tie,
but we need a touchdown. So he goes, Randy Cross
told me this. He's in the houddel and you know
they're lineing her and Joe goes, Hey, look over there
and behind him in the in the end zone is
John Candy standing there. Hey, that's John Candy. I go, okay,
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let's focus focus. Could you hear this in your headsets?
I couldn't hear it, you know. But but then so
we were going down there and on the touchdown, on
the touchdown, and he threw to John Taylor to win
the game.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
He Roger Craig went motion the wrong direction. I called
to play you and he should have been a blue.
So a strong set with Roger, with Roger going to
the left and throwing the slant, he said, instead he
he lined up in brown the other side and went
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the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Wow, right instead left.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Like I said, Now, I have no I have no
distraction over there. Oh my goodness, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
When when Bill came to you and said, I'm gonna
take over right the play calling there.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And that's right.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
No, he didn't know, Joe, Joe said, confused, Joe said,
when he said, I got it, sorry, Dave. When he
said I got it, he does, I mean, I got
the play calls, I got the situation.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
He was telling me to calm down.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I got you, Okay, that's what he was telling thought.
I thought like you, because I'll tell you he was
taking over the place Peyton Manning used to do.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Correct, I told you during this during the week, you know,
I'm I'm no, I'm not calling the plays and I'm
kind of like the coordinator now. So offensive meeting, we're
looking at film, looking at film again. All of a sudden,
the light's go on. This is on a Thursday or
a Friday. Yeah, the lights go on and I go,
what They're all behind me, the players behind me. Joe
comes up, puts his hand on my shoulder and goes, Mike,
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we've seen this film three times this week. He goes,
We're okay, we got this.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Did you need that, though? I go, did you need
him to tell you? That was that?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Well? I was, you know, I was you know, I
was young and ye incited.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
How old were you back then, by the way, early Thursday?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Uh no, I was probably late third. Now, guys, get
I got my job with the Packers. I was forty four, Okay,
so it was I was forty.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, Mike, you've been.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
He've been in a lot of those lockers with the
forty nine ers, the Packers, the Seahawks. Did he ever
see guys where you just go, I'm really concerned this
guy is just too wigged out, like like the pressures
getting to this guy.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Obviously it didn't get to Joe.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
But did you ever think, because you never know how
a guy's gonna handle that level of pressure, right, did you?
Was there ever a time where coaches says, hey, hey,
we got to have a plan for how to work
with this in case somebody is just can't handle this pressure.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
No, I think you have a plan B probably in
your pocket, but I can't say that. Look look at
That's one of the things I think that's really important
in preparing your team for a game like the super Bowl,
is that if you do see that. I did never
have to do that, but if you I've thought about it.
But if you do see that, then you got to
figure out a way to handle it. Get him off
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the off the ledge, do something funny.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Or would you say, oh, you crack a joker.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Crack a joker, like when I had that table full
of one dollar bills and yeah, pulled it off, you know, yeah,
get them laughing a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, Well, Mike congrun's with us from the five twenty
bar and grill moving away from the Super Bowl. Everything
happening that took place on Sunday, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Boom, Yeah, one eight hundred divorce, they're done.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
That does that surprise you have done? Surprise?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
No, it doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I mean, there was a rumor going around that the
Jets had asked Aaron Rodgers to stop doing the Pat
McAfee show, you're talking too much, get off the air,
start playing quarterback, and no one Aaron Rodgers he probably
told him to stick it right. That's just his personality. So,
I mean, if you've got a need for a quarterback,
if you're a general manager right now, the guy, he's
forty two, he had a decent year. He wasn't terrible
for the Jets last year, but he's also getting up
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there in age. Would you have a lot of interest
in signing him?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
You know, and now it's determined by the money now
more than anything else. I think. Can he play still?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Maybe not like in his prime, but he can still play.
But oh gosh, that'd be hard for me, And that'd
be hard for me to sign somebody that just how
he's how he's kind of conducting himself the last couple
three years. You know that that body. Yeah, but that's me.
You know, I said, I'm the coach here the player.
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, I mean everybody can see it, whether you're in
La New Orleans or Omaha, that the guy's kind of
a pain of the ass, that he's kind of a.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Diva right here.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I mean, we've been talking about this for ten years.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
There's been a lot of documentation and stories about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
He just he looks to me. And again, I'm not
behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm just from what I read, he looks to me
to not be the world's best teammate right now.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What do you think you uh?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Yeah, I really didn't like him calling out a receiver
where he's saying, hey, you know, we're supposed to be
we're supposed to have a post down the middle, and
we're supposed to get out to the numbers Mike on
a you know, on a four verts concept. You know,
he was calling out a receiver and I can't remember
the details, but he was saying he's supposed to get
to the red line, meaning Dave to the outside the sideline,
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and so he was saying.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Shacks you when he's doing that stuff. He's always like
explaining it to me. How come he's not explaining it?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
We we we read the same books.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Oh you got you just making sure you know?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I know?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, I start talking the language with Mike.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
And then I'm then yeah, so so at an event,
I thought that was Yeah, he has been a DVA.
He's been he's been high maintenance. I think that that uh,
that idea that he needs to be where in Egypt
or something. And and doing the seance on the on
mini camp after he had come back he had torn
his achilles heel. You're trying to have a fresh start
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and you miss a mandatory mini camp. I that that
just crosses the line.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It didn't lock himself in some hole or something and meditating.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yea room, Yeah, we'll talk to you. Don't talk to
anybody for three days.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
You ever consider doing something like that room, like a
cleanse or whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I almost did it last week.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
When he doesn't do the chores, Kathy puts him in
the back room.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I love that he almost did it last week.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
All right, we'll get a break.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
One more segment with Mike and Hugh, and then we
got four nations Hockey USA and Finland from Montreal coming
up at five Right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Softian Dick with mikee Holm Grin from the five twenty
Bar and Grill in Bellevue. Continue on your home for
the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ
r FM.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Hey, guys, we got a hockey game coming up, the
Four Nations Face Off Tournament. You guys are aware what
they're doing now in the NHL. Yeah, there's no All
Star Game this year Canada, USA, Finland and Sweden.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Your people sid are still in there.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
You don't have to be rich, you just have to
be small.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
They're all going into you know what?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You should really do that by the way, you should
go work at Ikia for a kid. Yeah, there were
a lot about doing something like that.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I love Why not?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Why not go work there?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I'd be at the Swedish meat ball concession.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Come on a dozand percent with you.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Except you would come in and get his What do
you get again? Christmas? What do you get?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
What do you get for Christmas? What to eat?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
There's no candy? That's fine?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Sweetest meatballs are fine Italian meatballs are fine ball.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
That's the only thing we disagree about.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It really is funny that any any food item that
you can make into a ball, just for some reason,
tastes better. I mean, because let's face it, a meatball
is basically meat loaf in a big round form. That's
what it is, right and at a meat loaf is
a meatball in a rectangular form. So if you want
to go work in a kya for a weekend, I'll
come down and I'll support you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I'll even buy a better at desk from you.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But we got the Four Nations face off game tonight
USA Finland at five o'clock. All right, so Kansas City,
obviously we talked about them going forward. How about the Seahawks,
and how about Clint kuobiac I don't know if you're
started a press conference at all on Tuesday A little
with this guy. He comes in here and he says, look,
I want to have a fullback and I want to
run the outside zone, and I need an elite center
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to help me do it.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I want to ask both of you guys the same question.
Mike will start with you.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
If Clint Kubiak came to you and said, coach let's
imagine we don't sign one player over the offseason and
I have the same guys coming back. How do I
get more points out of this group than what they
got out of him a year ago.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Yeah? Well, first of all, I think, you know, the
offensive line has to play better. So and and they
got a new coach, they got a new staff. That's
a challenge in itself because you got new guys. Of
the communication, you got to learn new people all over again.
So I think if they don't make any good, big
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time changes in there, it's going to be tough sledding.
You got a new coach coming in. He wants to
do certain things. I get it. You want to run
the ball, I get it. You know, particularly Alex Gibbs,
who you know, you know that zone blocking scheme. That
was his baby and he was good at Denver. And
so if they want to do that, okay, but can
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your guys do that? Can they? I don't, you know,
I'm skeptical.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah how about you?
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Well, let's just follow up on that with Mike. What
are you skeptical about the personnel and running the outside zone?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah? Well, the personnel, I think, you know, the the
interior three, the guards in the center. You know, they
just had a tough year and so and the tackles,
you know, across as a he's a good pass protector.
It's just changes. I think what they have to learn
and what they have to do, and that takes time.
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I think it takes time. And so if you want
to improve right away, you know. But but the thing
that I think he will do, you're gonna see more screens.
You're gonna see more play pass. You're gonna get Gino
off the spot just a little bit, yeah, you know,
and that will help the quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
He says he wants a full back. Is that necessary
in this offense?
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Yes, of course. I'm a fullback person. Max Strong and
then Roger Craig and the guys we had in San Francisco,
and you know, you need a full back. I'm a
full back person because I like also but I also
like taking getting the snap from center. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
So well, we're gonna see more of that.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
The Saints were number one in the NFL and plays
with a full back, be it a true full back
or be it a tight end in the backfield. Mike
two hundred thirty six plays was number one in the NFL. Uh,
you say you're a full back person. Elaborate on that.
What does what is being a full back person mean
to you? And and uh and and and why is
that important for you?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I think it allows allows me as a play caller, okay,
to be to be pretty open on the type of
things I can do on first down in particular, and
then also in the red zone, and and those two
things we have worked well for us. You know, it's
worked well and if you get the right person. But
(33:50):
you know, Hugh I went to USC Okay, we had
a fullback, Danny stot He that's what his job was
to take on you talked about isolation. We opened everything
up and he had to block the linebacker every game
sixty times. Is to you know, poor kid, right, you know.
But then you got oj running behind him or somebody
(34:10):
running behind him.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yep, and it works well. We talked about this before
he showed up.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
The same set of kid named Adam Prentiss last year
who played I think two hundred and thirty six snaps,
didn't carry the ball one time.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Oh for the warrants. And he's a free agent, by
the way.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Well, you got to give a guy one get strong.
I give Mac a couple year. Don't listen, don't mess
it up.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I love it. I love it. Hey, man, No here,
we gotta get out of here. I got it. We
got to make way for hockey. Hey, it's been a
hell of a season.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, hey, Hugh, thank you, thank you, Dave, thank you,
good thank.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You for doing this, because I know that there's a
lot of things you could be doing with your retirement
and talking to us. Probably when you envision this and
retirement thing about twenty years ago, talking to us was
not even on the radar. But you're still doing this
every single year. So could not imagine this without you.
All right, Please, for the love of God, don't ever leave,
or if you leave, take me with you.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I will. But you know you and I, You and
I are going to go to New York and go
to the office of the NFL talk about the officials.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
There we are.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah, you go.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I love it. Take me with you on that for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
All right, get out of here, man, We'll see you soon,
all right, Mike Homer with us on the radio show.
We're gonna get out of here, Hugh and get a
break because we got four nations Hockey USA and Finland.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
What the NHL is doing this year. It's amazing what
hockey's doing.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Canada, USA, Finland, Sweden all getting together with a big
old tournament and it starts tonight for the Americans and
for Finland. Canada beat Sweden yesterday for to three and overtime,
so we'll see what happens tonight in this game in Montreal. Tomorrow,
you're back in for Dick. Right at three o'clock, we're
gonna dive into Clint Koobiak, the Seahawk off season, the
(35:43):
Gino Smith question, the John Schnyder question, all that and
more starting at three. Big thanks for the five twenty
bar and grill in Bellevue where they have Valentine's reservations,
by the way, available tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Enjoy the hockey game. We'll see you then Bye.
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