February 14, 2025 • 26 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen talk about the issues with the Mariners front office including both Jerry Dipoto and ownership, the offense and roster, spending correlated to fan attendance, plus the Seahawks’ current salary cap situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But one week from today, one week from today, the
Seattle Mariners and the San Diego Padres will get it
on and the opener of Cactus League play in Peoria, Arizona.
We are that close to seeing the hometown nine Huey
back on the baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Diamond and I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
What is your enthusiasm level for Marita Baseball twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, I'm really enthusiastic about the pitching staff, and just
like everybody else, I'm dismayed by the lack of either
the willingness or the ability to improve the offense.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Why would they need to improve the offense. We have
a good offensive team. I mean, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, you're okay, we're going down a road with that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hey, here's should I step out for a few minutes here,
maybe I'm come back.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Well, here's the thing. So, like I'm one of you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I went to in first grade, I went to Madrone Elementary,
lived two blocks up the street from Garfield that's in Seattle.
Then went to Harrison Elementary, which is now MLK in Seattle,
Exhime Middle School, Roosevelt High School, University of Washington, they're
in Seattle. I went to the first seat game. I
didn't go to the first Mariner game, but that first
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Mariner season my parents were divorced. Visitation with my dad
every other weekend. What do you want to do go
to the Mariner game. Well, we don't have a lot
of money. Well, okay, we'll be out in the outfield.
Yell and roop roop group. I think that a professional
sports team, the product they're selling their customers, you have
to have a connection. Yeah, there's loyalty to companies like Nordstrom.
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A lot of people have, but loyalty there's not fan loyalty,
not like you. You've got to have that. And what
frustrates me about Jerry Depoto And I think there's a
very meaningful conversation, Hey, is it Depoto or is it ownership?
That is a worthwhile conversation. But for the purposes of
what I'm about to say, it's just front office. Jerry
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Depoto is the mouthpiece. So while I think it's a
good discussion, for the purposes of what I'm about to say,
there is no distinction. Jerry Depoto is calling us stupid
and lying to us. Wow, okay, when you go back
and I think it's just first second, let's just touch
on the fifty four percent. And I'm not talking about
the fifty four percent in the context of it's lame
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the only aspire to win fifty four percent, that's an
obvious take. I'm talking about lying to us, lying to you,
lying to me. And what he said was about the
fifty four percent quote. If you're able to stay at
above that bar for a ten year period, you're going
to play in the World Series. And I say that
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confidently because it's true. Nineteen teams have been able to
do that in a decade long in increments, and sixteen
of them have played in the World Series, and most
have won the championship. Here's the thing what he did
at that time he made this statement fifty four percent.
Wasn't some league wide understanding the Mariners at that time,
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that was four years into the decade, they were two
hundred and ninety five out of five hundred and forty six.
That's fifty four point h three percent. That's what he said.
After twenty twenty three, so he just then said, well,
if we stay at this level fifty four percent, how
does that play out? Then he got on a spreadsheet
and he looked in and he said, here's the thing.
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He said, fifty four percent, but that's or above the
sixteen of nineteen. I've got it right on my spreadsheet.
I will debate that man right now. I've got all
the teams in front of me, sixteen and nineteen that
includes that's fifty four percent or higher. That includes the
nineties Braves that won ninety six point four percent games
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on average for a decade. That includes the Big Red Machine,
which won ninety five point nine. That includes the two
thousand Yankees that won ninety six point seven on average wins.
The manner's only one eighty seven point five wins. And
so he's including that. Here's the way, the sensible way
to quench the numbers. First of all, just to say,
at the end of a decade, yeah, I understand, you know,
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the end of the eighties, the end of the nineties. Yeah,
we all do that. But for the purposes of a decade,
in this analysis, it makes more sense to say, at
any time, there's always a running decade that you have.
And so what I did is I said, take the
decades where you actually win. Fifty four percent doesn't have
to be the end of like the twenty nineteen the
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end of the team. At any time, you've got the decade.
So you've got where he said sixteen and nineteen, there's
actually thirty two decades where you won exactly fifty four percent.
And they went to the World Series seventeen to thirty two.
So that's not eighty four percent at the time, that's
fifty three point one percent. He said that you win
it twelve to nineteen, that's sixty three percent. But he's
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again he's counting all those teams that are fifty four percent.
If you're at fifty four percent, it's eleven of thirty two.
That's thirty four percent. That is not most and so
and then now when he tells us on the offense
that we've got this great offense, yeah, and he's got
you know, look.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
We have a good offensive. Teen.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, runs your twenty first. You know, he said on
the road that we're a top ten. I'm gonna give
you all the numbers and then the road. You tell
me what when you hear at top ten, the runs
twenty first, he's twelfth, their twelfth on the road hits
they rank twenty ninth last year, twenty second on the
road average, twenty ninth, twenty second on the road, slugging
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percentage twenty fifth overall, fifteenth on the road, ops twenty
second overall, thirteenth on the road. Where's this a top
ten offense on the road? And you know you're gonna
pull pull some advanced metric one cherry pick one little deal.
I don't even know, you know, in the last three years. No,
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it's not a good offense. And so I guess the
netnet Dave is I feel like they are telling us,
And he repeated again, He says, Hey, this is just
makes more sense to me, right, It's the appearance of
is it the reality.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Or is it the illusion?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
But when a guy says it obviously makes more sense
to me than our fans in the media.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I'm the fan and I'm the media, and I know
when you're lying and you're either doing it willfully or
you truly don't have a grasp of how to crunch
numbers effectively, in which case you're incompetent. And so I
just feel like, you know, as a lifelong Mariner fan,
we are in a relationship with a professional sports team,
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and the head of that sports team is willing to
lie to us and I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, he's not the head of the team, John Stanton
and Chris Larson. That's why I said, That's why he
said it the team, the public facing. Yeah, no, I
he's the face of it. But at what point, man,
what point do you blame the uh inmate? And at
what time do you start to blame the warden for
letting the inmate run the asylum?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I mean, Jerry to Poto is not going to fire himself.
Jerry to Poto is not going to wake up one
day and say, you know what, I can build a
pitching staff. I just can't build an offense, and it's
time for somebody else to maybe take this thing over
that can do it.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'm frankly, honestly a little bit curious to see what
kind of impact Edgar has on this whole thing, being
on the staff the entire year. We're going to find out.
But I think again, if we're going to point the
finger a blame, and I realize your perspective about Jerry
being the guy that we see in public, because John
Harley ever talks and Chris Larson I couldn't even tell
you what the guy's voice sounds like. Okay, that's number one.
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But at some point we have to get off this
train and start to look at the real issue, and
that is the culture that emanates from the top of
the pyramid. And as long as that is the same,
and as long as that doesn't change, I don't know
if it really matters who the general manager is of
the baseball team.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I get it, there's teams out there that have had
lower pay roles than us and they've made the playoffs, right,
and with this pitching staff you get in who knows
what the hell this franchise is capable of getting done.
But I don't know what the fans are supposed to do, Hugh.
I mean, dude, I'm looking at all the moves the
Mariners have made over the offseason. They've brought in two
guys that last year had negative wars, meaning you're better
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off without them on your baseball team. Donovan Solana one
point zero war Austin Shenton point one, Master Bony negative
point two, will climb negative point three. You're bringing Polanco
back after major knee surgery and one of the worst
years the guy ever had in his major league career.
Hagen Dan or Dan or whatever, the hell his name
is the ice cream Man has thrown one third of
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an inning in baseball, and Blake Hunt, your catcher, has
never caught a game in the major leagues. Meantime, you're
bringing back two guys in Mitch Garver and Mitch Hanneger
that you're paying twenty five million dollars to combine with
an negative point three war from last season. So not
only have they not gotten better, you can argue in
some ways they've gotten worse than they were a year ago.
So here we are again relying on the rotation to
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be unbelievable. And Dick's points exactly right. You better damn
well hope and pray those guys stay healthy like they
did a year ago, because if they don't, you're gonna
be in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, he got Emerson Hancock just as they have been
so good. You know, we didn't know, you know, Brian
who was going to be that good, right, I mean
he got kind of thrust in there.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Given credit for that, given credit for the rotation. So question, so.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Maybe you know, maybe you moved Castillo and and I
would say this, if they were to do that and
Hancock was your number five, I would bet he'd be
a damn good number five because they've got precedent. They
know how to scout these pitchers. So yeah, but at
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some point you can't. You're right now, you're only praying
on them improving the same guys improving.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
There's some basis for that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What you're praying on, well totally, I mean, Julio Rodriguez,
JP Crawford obviously, guys like that, Polanco, Garver, Hanniger, hoping
all that stuff turns out, hoping Roblez can do it
over six months. But what you're also praying for, I
think the biggest thing the Mariners have going for them
is the divisions freaking terrible. I mean, that is exactly
the number one positive thing that this franchise can bake on.
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If you played in four of the other five divisions
in baseball, you probably would have no shot to make
the playoffs. But because you play in the American League West,
where the Astros really haven't done much either, by the
way to get better. The Angels just lost Rendon for
the first couple months of the year. That guy can't
stay healthy for five seconds. He's like the CJ. Prociss
of the major leagues. That is the biggest positive I
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see right now, and it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Might be enough.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I mean, honestly, Like I'm driving by T Mobile Park
the other day, I'm thinking to myself, my god, if
they can just find a way to get in, this
place could be rocking in October and they and they
might very well have the upper hand.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
On getting in because the division's terrible.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well we're talking about okay, are we mad about the
poto about ownership? And for the purposes of those statements,
they are one and the same. But here's just a
simple way to do this. I looked and I said,
all right, take the payroll and take the attendance right
and see if what the relationship is there?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
All right?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And so what I just did is I divided. And
in twenty twenty four, what.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Did I did?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I say, Okay, the payroll divided by the attendants. So
meaning we are as fans, we are saying to the
owners essentially this we're gonna come out with X number
of fans, and so how does that relate to your investment? Well,
when you divide this last year, the Mariners were twenty
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fifth out of thirty teams. The year before they were
twenty sixth, and the year before their twenty nine. So
the aggregate over the last three years, here's how it goes.
The payroll three Now, all these numbers are pro football.
Are pro football. That's what I go. Baseball reference. Okay,
Baseball ref. The payroll over three years three hundred and
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forty eight million, nine hund and eighty eight two hundred
and eleven the attendants seven million, five hundred and thirty
three four ninety eight simple division. So the Mariners are
forty six dollars and thirty two cents per fan that
they spend on payroll. That give you that number again,
forty six dollars and thirty two cents per fanky over
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three years. Can't even have dinner for that much money.
The average is sixty six dollars and forty four The
highest is the Mets at ninety five dollars and twenty
nine cents. The Mariners are third lowest on the aggregate.
All right, that's just I mean, it's just a simple
does it answer all things? But no, there's a relationship.
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They're like, hey, the fans are coming out. I'll tell
you another thing about this, the fact that the Mariners,
what what is a star for them? It's the weather
in Seattle. Let me explain that it's not just the
weather in the summer. It's the fact out of a
of all of the days you take, the city of
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Seattle has more rainy days than any other major lake
city one hundred and fifty five. So there is a
build if you're a Mariner owner, you can just build
in that all that. All these pent up Seattle residents,
they're gonna live through the winter and these damn cold
and rain and then when they get to the summer,
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they're gonna come to the ballpark. What the park and
the weather is the star. So they have already got that.
So it's like a built in part of the performa.
And uh and so they're not spending as I said,
third lowest bendars, you're per fan and nine.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Forty six bucks. That's what you and I are worth.
We're worth forty six bucks. I was hoping for at
least fifty. I can, I can. I can manage fifty.
I can have averages sixty six, I can have some dignity.
And by the way, it's like it's like it's like
breaking ninety. He just gave me to fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That deviation is a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, if you're saying that where the Dodgers at?
You got the Dodgers numbers in front of you. I
don't know where the Dodgers at after the Yeah, I'll
have to tell you. Get the spreadsheet in front of me.
I just wrote the notes after running that. All right,
well let's do this.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
We're gonna quick break. We can continue the conversation next segment.
I mean, like obviously, when you're not winning games and
when you're irritating your fan base the way Depoto has
with some of these some of these comments that you know, frankly,
you know, uh just kind of you know, makes him
feel like he's superior to everybody. You know, you don't
know what you're talking about. I do blah blah blah.
He says things like this. It's just it's you're losing
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a lot of community when you say things like that,
and they really have to win, and if they don't
win this year, I could.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
See that's just our perception, Dave.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No, no, it's not the reality.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Reality for our offense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And then the perception.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I think this is a huge year for Jerry Depoto.
We're gonna break for twenty one more with Hugh Next
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
All right, sofy Dick Jackson, Dick is out here, win
for Dick, hanging out with us until five o'clock to night.
Clint Kubiak coming up, Kevin Harlan coming up, and.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Here.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think we've talked a couple of times about the
Seahawks current cap situation. Yeah, you've mentioned twenty five million
dollars over the cap. I think they're down to thirteen
after the Miner William restructure. Yeah, going, Yes, they're still
on the red thirteen million dollars. As Saints are fifty
four million over, the Browns are thirty million over, the
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Bills are fourteen point one over. So it's always not
just about the current cap situation. Because the Buffalo Bills
had a fantastic year, went to the AFC Championship game,
almost won the damn thing. But how concerning is that
for you? Because let's face it, this ain't the Buffalo Bills.
They don't have the talent the Buffalo Bills have. They
have a lot of holes they have to fill, and
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they're currently thirteen point four million dollars over the cap.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah real, because, by the way, just housekeeping, you ask
me about the Dodgers, I.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Promised that there is oh yeah, how much per fan? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, sixty four to forty nine. That's seventeenth. The Yankees
are eighty one thirty uh per fan.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
This is how much money the baseball team spend per
fan based on last year's attend three years? Okay, can
we at least get the number one? Can we at
least get the fifty four bucks a fan? By the way,
that'd be phenomenal. We could pull that off. So anyway,
just just go back to the Seahagon. Which but ye what, dude,
I think they're blowing a golden opportunity with that fifty
four per cent thing. I would have run with that
if I'm the Mariners like crazy, you know, fifty four
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cent mears, if we win fifty four cent pretzels, fifty
four dollars diamond club tickets, fifty four dollars jerseys in
the pro shop, I mean, why they hell not it's
it's it's right there in frontier face, and they just
slammed the door on a phenomenal idea.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, I don't know how consulting firms.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I'm sure somebody would would agree with you, but I
would have to think most pr firms would say no,
just yeah, keep that under the rug.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, the Patriots are one hundred and twenty million dollars
under the cap the Raiders. How about this, Pete Carroll's
got ninety three million dollars to spend in Vegas with
the Raiders, the freaking Commanders. The Commanders went to the
NFC Championship game and have seventy five million dollars in
cap space right now? Man, Yeah that is Patriots have
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a twenty one hundred and nineteen point eight right now.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, So I mean there's you know, there's any of
this talk about Miles Garrett or whatever I mean, And
how do you make that happen? You're just not in
a position, not that Seattle would be able to swing that,
but if you had a money situation like some of
these other teams, you might be able to.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, one way you can do it is getting rid
of Geno Smith and clearing about thirty million dollars in
cap space. Also, Tyler used the quarterback Tyler Lockett could
go Tyler definitely. Yeah, Well what Tyler Lockett has about
a thirty million dollar hit? There's no way your question though,
hang on just saying your your question about who's the quarterback?
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I mean, I don't know. Can you find a guy
to replace the numbers that Gino Smith gave you last
year for a lot less money?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think you can, do you think you can?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think you can. But you got to be pretty
deft in terms of recognizing that guy. I mean the Buccaneers.
Was there evidence that Baker Mayfield was going to have
that kind of year?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
No, Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Had done some okay things as the back up to
Brock Purdy, but remember he had been at Carolina that
was a disaster. He'd been at the Jets, that was
a disaster. Who would have seen that he'd have a
Pro Bowl year. If there's one guy who I think
if you said to me, name the guy who is
next gonna pull a Gino Smith, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield,
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let me guess who, You're just gonna say the guy
you know, because the guy from du Yeah, Daniel Jones, Yeah, yeah,
Well I think that he's had the toughest job, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I think that guy can play, and maybe he's done now.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Maybe maybe he's just incurred too many sacks, too many losses,
too many boos, and maybe he'll never be able.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
To see too many ghosts. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, by the way, I mean, if you cut lock At,
you're saving seventeen million dollars. If you get rid of
locke At, your back under the cap by four million
bucks y so you know, so.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, uh, well that that's gonna happen. There's no
way Lockett's playing at his cap number. Right, So where
are we going? I don't know what was the question?
Where are you going?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The question was how concerning is it?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
How concerning is it that you have all these holes
and right now you're thirteen million dollars over the salary cap.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It's one of the reasons why the Coleague lights should
be on John Snyder, in my opinion, that you have
some major issues with your roster. It's it's probably above
the median in terms of talent, but not much above
the median, but you don't have a long term quarterback situation.
You got a dreadful offensive line that is pulling down everything.
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You know, it's literally the anchor that's pulling down the
rest of team. And I don't mean anchor like the
fourth guy in a relay. That's a good anchor. I'm
talking about like an anchor on a boat that slows
you down, and it's slowing everything down.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, look, I just think for both general managers, this
feels like a gigantic year for Jerry and for job
you know, I mean, John is sitting here eleven years
after the last conference championship. How many years has it
been since they won a playoff game? The last time
they want a playoff game at home was twenty sixteen
when they beat the Lions with Thomas Rowls. I think
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the last playoff win was against Carson Wentz in Philadelphia,
right when they went to the Eagles and they won
that wild card game.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So you got the only one.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, you got the last years and John Schneider and
Jerry Depoto that need to both deliver. And if they
don't deliver, I don't think anybody is sitting here thinking
this is impossible. There's a real chance that both those
teams could have brand new general managers next season, Hugh,
both of them.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well, yeah, I mean I think Depoto you could look at, say, well,
how much does he hamstring? Compare him to the other
payrolls and the rosters. Certainly you can win with the
mayor's payroll. I think it's a little bit more frustrating
with the Seahawks. At least you say, all right, we
know they're willing to spend. If they're not winning, it's
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because they're not allocating their resources correctly. With the Mariners,
it's a little bit more of a complex analysis because
you're assessing performance on the field, but you're having to
take into major consideration the self limitations by the ownership.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think again, this is just one of those years
where you need so many things to go right for
you with your pitching staff, and you've got a lot
of things to go right for you with your pitching
staff a year ago, the idea that all these guys
are going to stay healthy again, and I get your
point about Hancock, but what you have now is maybe
if Luis Castillo is truly on paper your number five starter,
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which I'm not saying he is. I mean the guy
had a hell of a year a year ago. The
guy started thirty two games for you. For god's sakes,
I think a lot of people just kind of, you know,
minimize and diminish stuff like that. But you needed all
that to go well, and you still miss the playoffs
by two games, and the idea, Hugh, that that's going
to happen again for this rotation, it's concerning, and it's
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concerning that these guys are not willing and able to
go out and take advantage of a one cent a
generation pitching staff. You got four guys that are making
what's the number, thirty six million bucks and I think
twenty five of that's coming from Luis Castillo, and time's
running out, right, At some point that number is going
to go way up, and you're not going to have
rotation that's making peanuts anymore in the next year or two.
Your window to win if you're not going to spend
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money is right freaking now, and you're blowing it with
this opportunity, and it's pissing people off, including me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, I just would like to know. That's the thing
about Depota when he comes on, he seems convicted, like he's.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
A pretty good actor, right right.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
We all believe that he's got his hands behind his back,
right right. But he's pulling a pretty good Marlon Brando
when he's selling U that Hay is gonna work. It's
gonna work, right. Yeah, Well he's when he when he
seems convicted when he says, hey, we've actually got a
pretty good offense. You actually kind of believe him like
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that that he can narrowly focus on, you know, some
advanced metric and then ignore all the other obvious ones.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, it seemed like he believes in the offense.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But see, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Why not team, why not come out and say, you
know what, we think these guys are better than what
they showed a year ago. Clearly none of them performed,
and that's on me as a general manager. I'm going
to stick with it for one more year because of
the track record these guys have. And I get why
fans are upset. I get why the media is critical
of everything we did over the offseason. Clearly we're dealing
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with some hurdles financially that have been well documented here
in Seattle. But these guys are better than what you
saw on the field.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And it's up to me, it's up to Dan Wilson,
it's up to Egar Martinez to bring that out of
them next season, and if they don't, all of us
are going to be in trouble. I mean, I just
think the idea that general managers, owners, coaches, players even
some ways can't just be real if you will. With
the fan base and the media, it's unbelievable. And all
you gotta do is come out and be honest about
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this stuff and people get it.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You know, hey, look you're dealing with some financial constraints.
This is the best you could do.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Fine, Instead you talk to the fans like their idiots,
and that is the wrong way to go.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well, but when he comes out and he says sixteen
to nineteen teams that are fifty four percent are above
they make the World Series, now that is a very
crystal clear assertion, right, there's no ambiguity in that. The
only problem is of the nineteen teams, only one of
them was actually at fifty four percent. That was the
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Nationals in twenty nineteen. They were, so it is really
one out of nineteen because the rest of them, I mean,
if you're going to cite the big red machine, that
was winning sixty percent of their games. That's completely irrelevant.
But he's he's lumping the Mariners in the decade into
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that group. And so if he's willing to say that,
honestly my interpretation, right, he'll tell me anything.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Let's uh, let's get a break text Amenial's next clip
Kubiak and revisit that at five o'clock coming up on
ninety three three kJ A r F M
But one week from today, one week from today, the
Seattle Mariners and the San Diego Padres will get it
on and the opener of Cactus League play in Peoria, Arizona.
We are that close to seeing the hometown nine Huey
back on the baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Diamond and I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
What is your enthusiasm level for Marita Baseball twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, I'm really enthusiastic about the pitching staff, and just
like everybody else, I'm dismayed by the lack of either
the willingness or the ability to improve the offense.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Why would they need to improve the offense. We have
a good offensive team. I mean, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, you're okay, we're going down a road with that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hey, here's should I step out for a few minutes here,
maybe I'm come back.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Well, here's the thing. So, like I'm one of you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I went to in first grade, I went to Madrone Elementary,
lived two blocks up the street from Garfield that's in Seattle.
Then went to Harrison Elementary, which is now MLK in Seattle,
Exhime Middle School, Roosevelt High School, University of Washington, they're
in Seattle. I went to the first seat game. I
didn't go to the first Mariner game, but that first
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Mariner season my parents were divorced. Visitation with my dad
every other weekend. What do you want to do go
to the Mariner game. Well, we don't have a lot
of money. Well, okay, we'll be out in the outfield.
Yell and roop roop group. I think that a professional
sports team, the product they're selling their customers, you have
to have a connection. Yeah, there's loyalty to companies like Nordstrom.
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A lot of people have, but loyalty there's not fan loyalty,
not like you. You've got to have that. And what
frustrates me about Jerry Depoto And I think there's a
very meaningful conversation, Hey, is it Depoto or is it ownership?
That is a worthwhile conversation. But for the purposes of
what I'm about to say, it's just front office. Jerry
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Depoto is the mouthpiece. So while I think it's a
good discussion, for the purposes of what I'm about to say,
there is no distinction. Jerry Depoto is calling us stupid
and lying to us. Wow, okay, when you go back
and I think it's just first second, let's just touch
on the fifty four percent. And I'm not talking about
the fifty four percent in the context of it's lame
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the only aspire to win fifty four percent, that's an
obvious take. I'm talking about lying to us, lying to you,
lying to me. And what he said was about the
fifty four percent quote. If you're able to stay at
above that bar for a ten year period, you're going
to play in the World Series. And I say that
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confidently because it's true. Nineteen teams have been able to
do that in a decade long in increments, and sixteen
of them have played in the World Series, and most
have won the championship. Here's the thing what he did
at that time he made this statement fifty four percent.
Wasn't some league wide understanding the Mariners at that time,
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that was four years into the decade, they were two
hundred and ninety five out of five hundred and forty six.
That's fifty four point h three percent. That's what he said.
After twenty twenty three, so he just then said, well,
if we stay at this level fifty four percent, how
does that play out? Then he got on a spreadsheet
and he looked in and he said, here's the thing.
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He said, fifty four percent, but that's or above the
sixteen of nineteen. I've got it right on my spreadsheet.
I will debate that man right now. I've got all
the teams in front of me, sixteen and nineteen that
includes that's fifty four percent or higher. That includes the
nineties Braves that won ninety six point four percent games
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on average for a decade. That includes the Big Red Machine,
which won ninety five point nine. That includes the two
thousand Yankees that won ninety six point seven on average wins.
The manner's only one eighty seven point five wins. And
so he's including that. Here's the way, the sensible way
to quench the numbers. First of all, just to say,
at the end of a decade, yeah, I understand, you know,
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the end of the eighties, the end of the nineties. Yeah,
we all do that. But for the purposes of a decade,
in this analysis, it makes more sense to say, at
any time, there's always a running decade that you have.
And so what I did is I said, take the
decades where you actually win. Fifty four percent doesn't have
to be the end of like the twenty nineteen the
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end of the team. At any time, you've got the decade.
So you've got where he said sixteen and nineteen, there's
actually thirty two decades where you won exactly fifty four percent.
And they went to the World Series seventeen to thirty two.
So that's not eighty four percent at the time, that's
fifty three point one percent. He said that you win
it twelve to nineteen, that's sixty three percent. But he's
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again he's counting all those teams that are fifty four percent.
If you're at fifty four percent, it's eleven of thirty two.
That's thirty four percent. That is not most and so
and then now when he tells us on the offense
that we've got this great offense, yeah, and he's got
you know, look.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
We have a good offensive. Teen.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, runs your twenty first. You know, he said on
the road that we're a top ten. I'm gonna give
you all the numbers and then the road. You tell
me what when you hear at top ten, the runs
twenty first, he's twelfth, their twelfth on the road hits
they rank twenty ninth last year, twenty second on the
road average, twenty ninth, twenty second on the road, slugging
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percentage twenty fifth overall, fifteenth on the road, ops twenty
second overall, thirteenth on the road. Where's this a top
ten offense on the road? And you know you're gonna
pull pull some advanced metric one cherry pick one little deal.
I don't even know, you know, in the last three years. No,
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it's not a good offense. And so I guess the
netnet Dave is I feel like they are telling us,
And he repeated again, He says, Hey, this is just
makes more sense to me, right, It's the appearance of
is it the reality.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Or is it the illusion?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
But when a guy says it obviously makes more sense
to me than our fans in the media.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I'm the fan and I'm the media, and I know
when you're lying and you're either doing it willfully or
you truly don't have a grasp of how to crunch
numbers effectively, in which case you're incompetent. And so I
just feel like, you know, as a lifelong Mariner fan,
we are in a relationship with a professional sports team,
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and the head of that sports team is willing to
lie to us and I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, he's not the head of the team, John Stanton
and Chris Larson. That's why I said, That's why he
said it the team, the public facing. Yeah, no, I
he's the face of it. But at what point, man,
what point do you blame the uh inmate? And at
what time do you start to blame the warden for
letting the inmate run the asylum?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I mean, Jerry to Poto is not going to fire himself.
Jerry to Poto is not going to wake up one
day and say, you know what, I can build a
pitching staff. I just can't build an offense, and it's
time for somebody else to maybe take this thing over
that can do it.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'm frankly, honestly a little bit curious to see what
kind of impact Edgar has on this whole thing, being
on the staff the entire year. We're going to find out.
But I think again, if we're going to point the
finger a blame, and I realize your perspective about Jerry
being the guy that we see in public, because John
Harley ever talks and Chris Larson I couldn't even tell
you what the guy's voice sounds like. Okay, that's number one.
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But at some point we have to get off this
train and start to look at the real issue, and
that is the culture that emanates from the top of
the pyramid. And as long as that is the same,
and as long as that doesn't change, I don't know
if it really matters who the general manager is of
the baseball team.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I get it, there's teams out there that have had
lower pay roles than us and they've made the playoffs, right,
and with this pitching staff you get in who knows
what the hell this franchise is capable of getting done.
But I don't know what the fans are supposed to do, Hugh.
I mean, dude, I'm looking at all the moves the
Mariners have made over the offseason. They've brought in two
guys that last year had negative wars, meaning you're better
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off without them on your baseball team. Donovan Solana one
point zero war Austin Shenton point one, Master Bony negative
point two, will climb negative point three. You're bringing Polanco
back after major knee surgery and one of the worst
years the guy ever had in his major league career.
Hagen Dan or Dan or whatever, the hell his name
is the ice cream Man has thrown one third of
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an inning in baseball, and Blake Hunt, your catcher, has
never caught a game in the major leagues. Meantime, you're
bringing back two guys in Mitch Garver and Mitch Hanneger
that you're paying twenty five million dollars to combine with
an negative point three war from last season. So not
only have they not gotten better, you can argue in
some ways they've gotten worse than they were a year ago.
So here we are again relying on the rotation to
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be unbelievable. And Dick's points exactly right. You better damn
well hope and pray those guys stay healthy like they
did a year ago, because if they don't, you're gonna
be in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, he got Emerson Hancock just as they have been
so good. You know, we didn't know, you know, Brian
who was going to be that good, right, I mean
he got kind of thrust in there.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Given credit for that, given credit for the rotation. So question, so.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Maybe you know, maybe you moved Castillo and and I
would say this, if they were to do that and
Hancock was your number five, I would bet he'd be
a damn good number five because they've got precedent. They
know how to scout these pitchers. So yeah, but at
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some point you can't. You're right now, you're only praying
on them improving the same guys improving.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
There's some basis for that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What you're praying on, well totally, I mean, Julio Rodriguez,
JP Crawford obviously, guys like that, Polanco, Garver, Hanniger, hoping
all that stuff turns out, hoping Roblez can do it
over six months. But what you're also praying for, I
think the biggest thing the Mariners have going for them
is the divisions freaking terrible. I mean, that is exactly
the number one positive thing that this franchise can bake on.
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If you played in four of the other five divisions
in baseball, you probably would have no shot to make
the playoffs. But because you play in the American League West,
where the Astros really haven't done much either, by the
way to get better. The Angels just lost Rendon for
the first couple months of the year. That guy can't
stay healthy for five seconds. He's like the CJ. Prociss
of the major leagues. That is the biggest positive I
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see right now, and it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Might be enough.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I mean, honestly, Like I'm driving by T Mobile Park
the other day, I'm thinking to myself, my god, if
they can just find a way to get in, this
place could be rocking in October and they and they
might very well have the upper hand.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
On getting in because the division's terrible.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well we're talking about okay, are we mad about the
poto about ownership? And for the purposes of those statements,
they are one and the same. But here's just a
simple way to do this. I looked and I said,
all right, take the payroll and take the attendance right
and see if what the relationship is there?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
All right?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And so what I just did is I divided. And
in twenty twenty four, what.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Did I did?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I say, Okay, the payroll divided by the attendants. So
meaning we are as fans, we are saying to the
owners essentially this we're gonna come out with X number
of fans, and so how does that relate to your investment? Well,
when you divide this last year, the Mariners were twenty
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fifth out of thirty teams. The year before they were
twenty sixth, and the year before their twenty nine. So
the aggregate over the last three years, here's how it goes.
The payroll three Now, all these numbers are pro football.
Are pro football. That's what I go. Baseball reference. Okay,
Baseball ref. The payroll over three years three hundred and
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forty eight million, nine hund and eighty eight two hundred
and eleven the attendants seven million, five hundred and thirty
three four ninety eight simple division. So the Mariners are
forty six dollars and thirty two cents per fan that
they spend on payroll. That give you that number again,
forty six dollars and thirty two cents per fanky over
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three years. Can't even have dinner for that much money.
The average is sixty six dollars and forty four The
highest is the Mets at ninety five dollars and twenty
nine cents. The Mariners are third lowest on the aggregate.
All right, that's just I mean, it's just a simple
does it answer all things? But no, there's a relationship.
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They're like, hey, the fans are coming out. I'll tell
you another thing about this, the fact that the Mariners,
what what is a star for them? It's the weather
in Seattle. Let me explain that it's not just the
weather in the summer. It's the fact out of a
of all of the days you take, the city of
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Seattle has more rainy days than any other major lake
city one hundred and fifty five. So there is a
build if you're a Mariner owner, you can just build
in that all that. All these pent up Seattle residents,
they're gonna live through the winter and these damn cold
and rain and then when they get to the summer,
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they're gonna come to the ballpark. What the park and
the weather is the star. So they have already got that.
So it's like a built in part of the performa.
And uh and so they're not spending as I said,
third lowest bendars, you're per fan and nine.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Forty six bucks. That's what you and I are worth.
We're worth forty six bucks. I was hoping for at
least fifty. I can, I can. I can manage fifty.
I can have averages sixty six, I can have some dignity.
And by the way, it's like it's like it's like
breaking ninety. He just gave me to fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That deviation is a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, if you're saying that where the Dodgers at?
You got the Dodgers numbers in front of you. I
don't know where the Dodgers at after the Yeah, I'll
have to tell you. Get the spreadsheet in front of me.
I just wrote the notes after running that. All right,
well let's do this.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
We're gonna quick break. We can continue the conversation next segment.
I mean, like obviously, when you're not winning games and
when you're irritating your fan base the way Depoto has
with some of these some of these comments that you know, frankly,
you know, uh just kind of you know, makes him
feel like he's superior to everybody. You know, you don't
know what you're talking about. I do blah blah blah.
He says things like this. It's just it's you're losing
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a lot of community when you say things like that,
and they really have to win, and if they don't
win this year, I could.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
See that's just our perception, Dave.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No, no, it's not the reality.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Reality for our offense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And then the perception.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I think this is a huge year for Jerry Depoto.
We're gonna break for twenty one more with Hugh Next
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Live from the R and R Foundation Specialists Broadcast Studio.
Now back to Softie and Dick on your Home for
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three KJR FM.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
All right, sofy Dick Jackson, Dick is out here, win
for Dick, hanging out with us until five o'clock to night.
Clint Kubiak coming up, Kevin Harlan coming up, and.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Here.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think we've talked a couple of times about the
Seahawks current cap situation. Yeah, you've mentioned twenty five million
dollars over the cap. I think they're down to thirteen
after the Miner William restructure. Yeah, going, Yes, they're still
on the red thirteen million dollars. As Saints are fifty
four million over, the Browns are thirty million over, the
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Bills are fourteen point one over. So it's always not
just about the current cap situation. Because the Buffalo Bills
had a fantastic year, went to the AFC Championship game,
almost won the damn thing. But how concerning is that
for you? Because let's face it, this ain't the Buffalo Bills.
They don't have the talent the Buffalo Bills have. They
have a lot of holes they have to fill, and
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they're currently thirteen point four million dollars over the cap.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah real, because, by the way, just housekeeping, you ask
me about the Dodgers, I.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Promised that there is oh yeah, how much per fan? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, sixty four to forty nine. That's seventeenth. The Yankees
are eighty one thirty uh per fan.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
This is how much money the baseball team spend per
fan based on last year's attend three years? Okay, can
we at least get the number one? Can we at
least get the fifty four bucks a fan? By the way,
that'd be phenomenal. We could pull that off. So anyway,
just just go back to the Seahagon. Which but ye what, dude,
I think they're blowing a golden opportunity with that fifty
four per cent thing. I would have run with that
if I'm the Mariners like crazy, you know, fifty four
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cent mears, if we win fifty four cent pretzels, fifty
four dollars diamond club tickets, fifty four dollars jerseys in
the pro shop, I mean, why they hell not it's
it's it's right there in frontier face, and they just
slammed the door on a phenomenal idea.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, I don't know how consulting firms.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I'm sure somebody would would agree with you, but I
would have to think most pr firms would say no,
just yeah, keep that under the rug.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, the Patriots are one hundred and twenty million dollars
under the cap the Raiders. How about this, Pete Carroll's
got ninety three million dollars to spend in Vegas with
the Raiders, the freaking Commanders. The Commanders went to the
NFC Championship game and have seventy five million dollars in
cap space right now? Man, Yeah that is Patriots have
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a twenty one hundred and nineteen point eight right now.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, So I mean there's you know, there's any of
this talk about Miles Garrett or whatever I mean, And
how do you make that happen? You're just not in
a position, not that Seattle would be able to swing that,
but if you had a money situation like some of
these other teams, you might be able to.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, one way you can do it is getting rid
of Geno Smith and clearing about thirty million dollars in
cap space. Also, Tyler used the quarterback Tyler Lockett could
go Tyler definitely. Yeah, Well what Tyler Lockett has about
a thirty million dollar hit? There's no way your question though,
hang on just saying your your question about who's the quarterback?
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I mean, I don't know. Can you find a guy
to replace the numbers that Gino Smith gave you last
year for a lot less money?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think you can, do you think you can?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think you can. But you got to be pretty
deft in terms of recognizing that guy. I mean the Buccaneers.
Was there evidence that Baker Mayfield was going to have
that kind of year?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
No, Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Had done some okay things as the back up to
Brock Purdy, but remember he had been at Carolina that
was a disaster. He'd been at the Jets, that was
a disaster. Who would have seen that he'd have a
Pro Bowl year. If there's one guy who I think
if you said to me, name the guy who is
next gonna pull a Gino Smith, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield,
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let me guess who, You're just gonna say the guy
you know, because the guy from du Yeah, Daniel Jones, Yeah, yeah,
Well I think that he's had the toughest job, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I think that guy can play, and maybe he's done now.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Maybe maybe he's just incurred too many sacks, too many losses,
too many boos, and maybe he'll never be able.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
To see too many ghosts. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, by the way, I mean, if you cut lock At,
you're saving seventeen million dollars. If you get rid of
locke At, your back under the cap by four million
bucks y so you know, so.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, uh, well that that's gonna happen. There's no
way Lockett's playing at his cap number. Right, So where
are we going? I don't know what was the question?
Where are you going?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The question was how concerning is it?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
How concerning is it that you have all these holes
and right now you're thirteen million dollars over the salary cap.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It's one of the reasons why the Coleague lights should
be on John Snyder, in my opinion, that you have
some major issues with your roster. It's it's probably above
the median in terms of talent, but not much above
the median, but you don't have a long term quarterback situation.
You got a dreadful offensive line that is pulling down everything.
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You know, it's literally the anchor that's pulling down the
rest of team. And I don't mean anchor like the
fourth guy in a relay. That's a good anchor. I'm
talking about like an anchor on a boat that slows
you down, and it's slowing everything down.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, look, I just think for both general managers, this
feels like a gigantic year for Jerry and for job
you know, I mean, John is sitting here eleven years
after the last conference championship. How many years has it
been since they won a playoff game? The last time
they want a playoff game at home was twenty sixteen
when they beat the Lions with Thomas Rowls. I think
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the last playoff win was against Carson Wentz in Philadelphia,
right when they went to the Eagles and they won
that wild card game.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So you got the only one.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, you got the last years and John Schneider and
Jerry Depoto that need to both deliver. And if they
don't deliver, I don't think anybody is sitting here thinking
this is impossible. There's a real chance that both those
teams could have brand new general managers next season, Hugh,
both of them.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well, yeah, I mean I think Depoto you could look at, say, well,
how much does he hamstring? Compare him to the other
payrolls and the rosters. Certainly you can win with the
mayor's payroll. I think it's a little bit more frustrating
with the Seahawks. At least you say, all right, we
know they're willing to spend. If they're not winning, it's
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because they're not allocating their resources correctly. With the Mariners,
it's a little bit more of a complex analysis because
you're assessing performance on the field, but you're having to
take into major consideration the self limitations by the ownership.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think again, this is just one of those years
where you need so many things to go right for
you with your pitching staff, and you've got a lot
of things to go right for you with your pitching
staff a year ago, the idea that all these guys
are going to stay healthy again, and I get your
point about Hancock, but what you have now is maybe
if Luis Castillo is truly on paper your number five starter,
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which I'm not saying he is. I mean the guy
had a hell of a year a year ago. The
guy started thirty two games for you. For god's sakes,
I think a lot of people just kind of, you know,
minimize and diminish stuff like that. But you needed all
that to go well, and you still miss the playoffs
by two games, and the idea, Hugh, that that's going
to happen again for this rotation, it's concerning, and it's
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concerning that these guys are not willing and able to
go out and take advantage of a one cent a
generation pitching staff. You got four guys that are making
what's the number, thirty six million bucks and I think
twenty five of that's coming from Luis Castillo, and time's
running out, right, At some point that number is going
to go way up, and you're not going to have
rotation that's making peanuts anymore in the next year or two.
Your window to win if you're not going to spend
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money is right freaking now, and you're blowing it with
this opportunity, and it's pissing people off, including me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, I just would like to know. That's the thing
about Depota when he comes on, he seems convicted, like he's.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
A pretty good actor, right right.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
We all believe that he's got his hands behind his back,
right right. But he's pulling a pretty good Marlon Brando
when he's selling U that Hay is gonna work. It's
gonna work, right. Yeah, Well he's when he when he
seems convicted when he says, hey, we've actually got a
pretty good offense. You actually kind of believe him like
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that that he can narrowly focus on, you know, some
advanced metric and then ignore all the other obvious ones.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, it seemed like he believes in the offense.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But see, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Why not team, why not come out and say, you
know what, we think these guys are better than what
they showed a year ago. Clearly none of them performed,
and that's on me as a general manager. I'm going
to stick with it for one more year because of
the track record these guys have. And I get why
fans are upset. I get why the media is critical
of everything we did over the offseason. Clearly we're dealing
(24:35):
with some hurdles financially that have been well documented here
in Seattle. But these guys are better than what you
saw on the field.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And it's up to me, it's up to Dan Wilson,
it's up to Egar Martinez to bring that out of
them next season, and if they don't, all of us
are going to be in trouble. I mean, I just
think the idea that general managers, owners, coaches, players even
some ways can't just be real if you will. With
the fan base and the media, it's unbelievable. And all
you gotta do is come out and be honest about
(25:06):
this stuff and people get it.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You know, hey, look you're dealing with some financial constraints.
This is the best you could do.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Fine, Instead you talk to the fans like their idiots,
and that is the wrong way to go.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well, but when he comes out and he says sixteen
to nineteen teams that are fifty four percent are above
they make the World Series, now that is a very
crystal clear assertion, right, there's no ambiguity in that. The
only problem is of the nineteen teams, only one of
them was actually at fifty four percent. That was the
(25:38):
Nationals in twenty nineteen. They were, so it is really
one out of nineteen because the rest of them, I mean,
if you're going to cite the big red machine, that
was winning sixty percent of their games. That's completely irrelevant.
But he's he's lumping the Mariners in the decade into
(25:59):
that group. And so if he's willing to say that,
honestly my interpretation, right, he'll tell me anything.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Let's uh, let's get a break text Amenial's next clip
Kubiak and revisit that at five o'clock coming up on
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