March 13, 2025 • 28 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Brian Nemhauser from Hawkblogger about the Seahawks off-season decisions so far and what they’re now at with quarterback, then listen and react to comments from Seattle’s GM John Schneider.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What about your game allows you to take sel on.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Those feature task you know, it doesn't have to by mistake.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I work on that a ton have worked on that
the last few years in the offseason, whether it's mechanics
and mentally just understanding, okay, like leverages of safeties. You know,
how are we going to attack this guy? How are
we going to attack the post safety this week? Kind
of understanding who we're playing, where the weaknesses are in
that defense, and how we can take advantage over the top.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
God, I wasn't even close to that clip.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
This is the clip of John Schneider talking about his
favorite beer at Dino's. No, it's Cliff Favoral with his
memories on winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, the guy that asked the question is with us.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I know that from Hot blogger dot com Brian Nemhauser.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you, pal?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I'm doing well. Dave, how are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
So before we get to Darnold, before we get to
what Schneider said today, we're just a couple of days
into this with a free agency. Give us kind of
just your reaction your mood is a Seahawks fan to
how the first few days of free agency have gone
for the Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Well, I think it's probably mirrors the team.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
To be honest, I think that there's gonna be a
lot of people that say, hey, man, what are the
Seahawks doing? What's John Schneider and Mike McDonald doing up there?
Are they rebuilding? Are they resetting?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
This wasn't their plans.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
They planned to have Geno Smith back, They planned to
have DK metcalf back. Those two guys decided they didn't
want to be here, and so, you know, one of
the things John Schneider said today that I thought was
very telling and I think Seahawks fans can relate to,
is they want people here who want to be here.
And the fact of the matter is as much as
people love Geno Smith or don't, as much as people
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love Dk Metcalf or don't, it comes down to Mike
McDonald's the coach. He took this team to ten wins
last year. He produced a top ten defense for a
group that had been falling through the floor for a decade.
And if people aren't bought in, then it's it's you know,
thanks for your service and.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
On with the new.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So now you got a chance for Mike McDonald to
shape this culture in this locker room, and you got
a chance for new leaders to step up and new
identities to form.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Kind of seems like there was a different level of
frustration expressed by John Schneider when he talked about DK
versus Geno. I mean, the quote on DK was we
want guys who want to be here, and the quote
on Geno was we couldn't get a deal done. So
did can you kind of feel that there was a
little bit of more angst toward DK than there was
towards Gino.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I don't, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, I think I think that the thing with
DK metcalf is probably, you know, it might not be new,
and they might have been dealing with this for some time,
who knows, but you know, you heard from John Schneider
in this when they asked about Okay, they made an
extension offer to Gino Smith. They didn't really hear back,
and it was a pretty quick, pretty quick negotiation, And
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I think in that response he was telling everybody that
Gina wasn't really interested in being here and the offer
that they made was going to be probably comparatible what
he gets down in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, what was the offer? Do we know what they
offered him? Because we're here and he'll get between forty
and forty five with Vegas. You think the Hawks offered that.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I do believe they offered that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And that's something that Bob Candota reported in the Seattle
Times multiple times last week. It kind of went under
the radar that that was a report because everyone nationally
was going with the Albert Breer report that it was
just thirty five. But Bob reported it multiple times, and
I don't think that's by accident. So you know, this
is not a case where John Schneider, I think pushed
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Genoil out. I think it's a case where these guys
were ready to play somewhere else. And if Pete Carroll
hadn't been hired as the coach in Las Vegas, if
Tom Brady hadn't been part owner of the Raiders, I
think Gino Smith might still be here because I'm not
sure there's another place where he would have landed.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, it's certainly possible.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I was just gonna say it's certainly possible with the
Gino Smith just has so much affinity for Pete Carroll
that he wanted to go play for him period end
the story. I would certainly buy buy that, But Howserhawk
Blogger dot com is with us?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
How frustrated are you today?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And there's a long way to go, a lot can happen,
But how frustrated, Brian are you at this very minute?
The Seahawks have not really yet to address their offensive
line with any real significant impact.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
It's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And it's not frustration that's born of this offseason. It's
a frustration that's born of a decade of off seasons
of you know, not really going after that position and
with as much vigor as I think Seahawks fans would
have liked to have seen. And you know, you get
you get tired of hearing and I know fans do
it as well that I talked to they've you know,
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you hear about trenches. We heard about trenches three years ago,
four years ago from Pete Carroll and from John Schneider.
And on defense, I think they deserve credit, Jonas, you
know who's here.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
They've they've remade.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
If we had this conversation three years ago, we'd say
the defensive line and the offensive line are bad. Now
I think the defensive line is one of the best
in the NFL and part of a really good up
and coming d defense.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And I think they've.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Now turned their attention to the offense. But you know,
you look at this group and Will Fries, you know,
that was their one guy that they thought was a
good fit and could really add something, and they were
going to sign him, but he didn't want to wait
for a physical. And when you're going to commit that
kind of money to a player, I think it's understandable
to say, let's check on this injury before. And I
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asked him about the Joe Tooney trade. To me, that's
the even bigger like for a twenty twenty six fourth
round pick. And you know, Schneider kind of intimated that
they would have done something like that potentially, but that
deal just happened really fast and they didn't get an
opportunity to really get into bidding.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Bron asking one more on Gino, I mean, based upon
that forty to forty five million dollar off for per
year for two years that Kendota was was tweeting about,
did Gino save the Seahawks from themselves? Because we just
got Sam Darnold for thirty three million, which I feel
is a better quarterback than what we would have gotten
for forty forty to forty five.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And you know it's possible. I think you're betting on
the come with with Sam Donald in that case, because
Sam Donald, as much as he had a much better
statistical season than Gino Smith, there's no question last season
Sam Donald has not produced or demonstrated the kind of
skills that Gino Smith has. And I know that that's
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troubling for some Seahawks fans, but it's the truth. If
you look at the things that Geno Smith's been able
to do, the throws he can make, the consistency has had,
the way he's able to mitigate pressure, that's not something
Sam Donald has a lot of history doing. So they're
betting that he's twenty seven and can come up and
do that. But honestly, Dick, I look at the DK
things more of potentially him saving the.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Seahawks from themselves, because you.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Know how many third third contract receivers that you're paying
thirty million dollars to, you know, you feel good about
at the end of that contract. And look at the
teams that were at the end, most of the teams
they weren't receiver driven teams.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
So I think that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Could potentially be a good thing for this organization over time.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well Brown will go back to the offensive line in
a second, But let me just get you on record, right,
because there's there's there's two camps in Seattle, and most
of them show their faces on Twitter, by the way. Okay,
two camps in Seattle. One that the Seahawks upgraded at quarterback.
Another that says that they made a horrible mistake and
they're worse off today than they were a week ago.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What camp, are you win at quarterback?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, I think that's just a false dichotomy, because that's
that's implying that.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
The Seahawks had a choice.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
No, no, no, you know, just just just just forget
all that. Are they are they?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Are they better at quarterback today than they were a
week ago, whether they had a choice or not.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Are they better?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Is the quarterback position more talented today than it was
a week ago?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
No? I don't believe it is.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
How does this change or does it change how they
viewed drafting a quarterback next month?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I don't think it will change that.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I was actually a question I wanted to get in
with John, but we ran, we ran a little short
there and he would wouldn't really give us much on
his draft strategy anyway. But I think when I talked
to John Schneider at the combine and I asked.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Him about that, like.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
They he really wants a quarterback to fall to them.
They want a quarterback that they like. They're not going
to just take one to take one. But I think
there's some pretty interesting guys in this draft. I think
Jackson Darts one. I think Tyler Shuck is a guy
that most people don't know as well is another one
I think is pretty promising. And then there's Quinn Ewers,
who I'm not a big fan of, but there is
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some links between him and John. People seem to think
he might like him, and he shares the same agent
as Byron Murphy, who happens to be, you know, good
buddies with John. So those are three names that I'd
keep an eye on if I was a Seahawks fan.
And I think with the five picks in the first
ninety two, they do not have some ammunition to move
around the draft board if they see someone they really like.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I mean there's Sam Howell saying this thing with Sam
Darnold just really shouldn't impact them.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
What's soever know that?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What about what about a wide receiver and now being
in play at number eighteen. I mean, obviously you got
Jackson spent thing Jigba and I don't know what your
thoughts are and Marcus Valdez scandling, but the idea of
taking a receiver high in the draft, now you know what, I'll.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Tell you my perspective there. Guys, I think that would
be a massive mistake. I think that'd be a massive mistake.
You don't go from a very receiver oriented cap situation
and offense situation and then go and spend your eighteenth
pick on a receiver. I don't think there's a receiver
that you have to do that with. And in fact,
I think the receivers that best fit this offense are
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guys you can get day two. I think Jayden Higgins
from Iowa State, Jalen Nole, who I know the Seahawks
met with at the combine, are great options. Jack Besh
is a really interesting option, and they're looking for guys
that not only are good receivers, but are going to
be able to block in the run game That actually
matters here. So I don't think you have to spend
your first round pick there. I think there's higher value targets,
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And honestly, with the way free agency has gone, they
really are going to have to go offensive line.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I think they're a little bit cornered now. They can't wait.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I don't think till fifty to take their first offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
In this draft.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, no, totally agree, but that still is what a
month and a half away. So the free agent targets,
like if Brad Burry does get released, for example, or
Jackson Dick, maybe you the idea of trading a draft
pick to make sure that you get Brad Berry before
he hits the free agent market. Becton, Jenkins, are there
guys that you've got that you have your eye on
that you think they should try and grab before drafting?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know what I mean? I think a lot of
people are going to talk about Makai Becton, But my
understanding is this is a guy that John Benton, the
offensive line coach, has experience with, and if they really
wanted them, they'd already be targeting him, and I don't
think that's going to happen. I'm not sure he's at
three hundred and sixty three pounds a good fit for an.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Outside zone team anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You know, Kevin Zeitler signs with Tennessee, plays in in
you know, close to home where his family lives, and
you know, I think Kevin Jenkins is not going to
be the guy either, So I think you're talking to
out guys like Lucas Patrick is the name I will
put out there as somebody who played with the Saints
last year under John Benton, had played with the Packers before,
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has had experience at center and guard, and I don't
think he's going to be the answer, but I think
he's a guy that I wouldn't be surprised if they
take a long look at. I think that's the level
of player they're probably going to be looking at ahead
of the draft, because guys, there's just there's not a
savior out there at this point for that position.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
It's it's been pretty picked over.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So you mentioned the Saints there.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I saw the MVS play that you posted yesterday on Twitter,
and I was actually kind of surprised.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I didn't realize he still had those wheels.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I was right there with you, Dick, I like went,
I was like, all right, let's see what he looks like.
And it gives me an excuse to look at Clint
kuby CK's offense as well, and I was like whoa,
as like, Okay, there's a seventy one yard play, they touchdown,
there's a sixty seven yard play, there's a forty yard,
a thirty nine yard and this guy had four touchdowns
in eight starts with the Saints, the most he's ever
had in the season was and that's over a.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Sixteen to seventeen game season. So something really clicked.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And when we talked to him today at the vMac,
he just said that I wouldn't be here probably if
it wasn't for Klint Kubiak. He really feels like he
found something in that offense that fits his game. And
you know, I had to stop clipping after a while
because there were so many big plays that he was
making for that team. So I think that guy, you know,
a five and a half million I think fans would
be pretty happy to have him as opposed to you know,
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some of these other guys that are, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Fifteen million dollars. But at the same time, I would not.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Be surprised if Cooper cup is one of the next
moves that comes along.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, Well, going back to MVS for a second, is
he a satisfactory number two receiver in your opinion for
this team?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You know, I think by the definition of number two, no,
I don't think that's how he's going to be used.
I think he's probably more like a number three receiver.
But I think that that in this offense might be
like a misleading term. I think that they have roles.
There's players that they want to be able to take
the top off, and they're gonna use them in certain ways.
There's gonna be players that they want to use kind
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of in the crysto'lave role that I think will be
the JSN role that is gonna get the primary bulk
of the targets. And I think there's some other things,
a lot of crossers over the middle. So this is
pretty much, you know, a two receiver offense for the
most part. But I think there's times when they go
to three receivers that these guys are all gonna play
in different spots. JSN will not just be a slot receiver.
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I think they'll play him on the outside. MVS last
year similar thing, and I wouldn't be shocked if they
add one more through free agency.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
If it is Cup, I mean, are you comfortable with
two smaller receivers playing. I mean, there's no like big time,
throw it up, go get it type guy. If you've
got Cup on one side and JSN on one.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Side, yeah, I mean when those two guys are in there,
Obviously MBS has some height and some sides to him.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
One of the things I like about Cup and I
like him as a fit for this a couple of things. One,
he's actually a pretty willing blocker. And I know people
don't get excited when we're talking about receivers blocking, but
you know, it's going to take ten guys to create
the run game that this team wants and needs, and
that's going to take pressure off that offensive line and cuts.
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The guy that is gonna would have a big name,
and the fact that he's willing to put his nose
in there, I think would speak a lot.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
I also think that you know, you.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Just lost Tyler Lockett, you just lost you know.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
DK Metcaltino Smith.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
These are big voices on the offense. Oldest guy on
offense right now is twenty seven. The longest tenure is
three years. I think you're gonna having a guy like
Cooper cuff In there who's from Washington, who's been to
a Super Bowl. I think would be helpful in kind
of creating some new leadership along those lines.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
All right, Brian, before you go, what about DeMarcus Lawrence.
Your thoughts on signing him?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Man, Yeah, I just finished talking to him, and I
think Seahawks fans are gonna love this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
And one of the things.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
He told me is if Aden Dirty wasn't here.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
He wouldn't be here, right. So that's two straight years that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And Dirty has recruited a former Cowboys lineman last year
with Jonathan Hankins. This year it is DeMarcus Lawrence to Seattle,
and you know, he contemplated whether or not, you know,
he's gonna hang it up or keep going now with
a conversation he had, but.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
He feels like he's got a lot left to offer.
And he had a message to Cowboys fans as well.
But I saw that they're not going to win a
Super Bowl there. He's planning to do it here.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So yeah, I think this guy. You combine him his
his especially his run defense, but everything he does and
having that in the room with boy Mafe and Derek Hall.
You know, I think that's going to be a big
ad and and I think the combination with him and
Leonard Williams and and Byron Murphy and Jared Reid, it's
probably as talented and disruptive of a group that they've
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had on that side of the ball in a decade.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, so yeah, it should be fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Well, he's right about the Cowboys because the Hawks have
been to three of them since they had been to
their last one, by the way, so the odds are
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
He's gonna be right, all right, dude, good stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Follow Brian on Twitter at Hawk Blogger, hawk Blogger dot com.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
We'll talk soon, man, Thanks polaks.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
All right, all right, Brian Nemhauser with us, So come
back and talk a little bit about that. Uh his
question or his comment. I asked him, are the Seahawks
do they have a more talented quarterback than they did
a week ago? And he said no, he said no.
I mean it's just like there's this two camps many
you know, it's like Anchorman with the fight in the
parking lot.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's this is the new Jamal Adams all over again.
But it's a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
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Speaker 4 (16:51):
All right, uh, John Schneider, we're gonna hear from him
in just a second. How about Hawk blogger Brian Nemhauser
with us last segment.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
We used to be able to get.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Him on whenever we wanted to. Now you got to
get in line like a regular schnook. Do you ever
see the end of Goodfellas? Like a regular schnook? Man Goad,
We used to get him on. He used to beg
us to come on the here. Now you're like, no,
you gotta wait in line and talk to his people
and offer him something up and prove your worth.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
He says, the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Are not as talented now at quarterback as they were
a week ago.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I think that's a different question than do they have
a better quarterback? Because talent wise, I could tilt my
head and say Gino Smith's a more talented quarterback than
Sam Darnald. I don't think he's a better quarterback than
Sam Darnald. And I know for a fact he's not
as old a quarterback as Jee Smith.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That part we know.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I think I think what Brian was getting at and
what I was getting at is their quarterback situation.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is it better off today than it was a week ago?
And I think he's saying, no, it's not better off
even with the ten million dollars.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'm just talking about the player, all right. I'm not
worried about the cap savings. I'm talking about the player.
So do you believe they're better off with the better player,
just a players, the player?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So Sam Donald, Sam Donald. I can't say Sam Donald.
You never will without saying.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Sam, which is okay, because we all expect you.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
To say it like this is Sam Donald never changed?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Is Sam Donald Sam Donald a better player than Gino Smith.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
For this system? Yes?
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Let me let me throw that caveat in there, because
I think Clink Kubiak system. Okay, I think it's going
to fit what Sam Sam Darnald's game better? All right?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
How about John Schneider. John Schneider spoke with the media
moments ago at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. Courtesy of
Fox thirteen. By the way, first question belongs to Bob Condota.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Can you take us through the Geno decision and the
trade of the trade of him and how that kind
of transpires. Sure, we made an offer to Gino, tried
to extend him. It became apparent that we weren't going
to be able to get a deal though. Yeah, it
wasn't like a very long negotiation, and so as a staff,
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we had to be prepared to pivot. So we had
sat down with the offensive staff and obviously the personnel
guys were on it before anyway, but always having a
contingency plan and having to pivot. So we had several
guys we were interested in, made the trade, and we're
able to get the guy at the top of the list.
It doesn't happen all the time to.
Speaker 9 (19:23):
Be able to get Sam and I mean, that's a
pretty darg good option to have.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
It worked out great, and you know, having Clint with him,
you know, having the background with him and all the
connections that we have around the league, the guys that
have coached him, and like Scott Fitter and Dan being
with him as well in Carolina and talking about the
character and how much we studied him over the years,
watching his growth and you know, personally being able to
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be around the guys that have kind of hit it
later in their careers like Rich Gannon and Matt Hasselback
and uh Gino as of late. It just you know,
you watch that progression, you watched the work ethic, the
character of the person, the scheme fits. It worked out perfect.
How much did you like him initially? I mean when
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he was coming out he dropped, We liked him a lot,
you know, but I mean we didn't have a shot,
so yeah, but you know, Scott Fitter was with us
at the time, and uh he he, he loved him,
and uh, you know kind of he was the one
that really spent the most of all time with him.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
How much when Pete Carroll took the Raiders job, did
you know you could pivot quickly the gin Smid negotiationsticular.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Or uh when and when you're at the combine you
had a ton of discussions with a lot of teams
and you get that's where we we talked about down there,
like the landscape being set up that week. So you
have to be ready as a staff, to be able
to be flexible and having different directions, and that was
that was one of them that had become evident. Uh,
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once they lost out on that staff.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
For didn DK trade request catch you guys by surprise
or how did you guys kind of handle that when
it came down and get to the point where you
got that trade yet?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Don't know as a surprise, Yeah, as surprise. There was
discussions that you know DK when have uh, we're having
very like a lot of personal discussions. I thought we
could fix it, handle it whatever it was. And at
the end of the day it was a no, and
he wanted to be traded, so we we pivoted and
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moved forward. What kind of leader? What guys want to
be here? You know what I mean? What guys that
uh I believe in what we're doing. And you'd have
to ask him for one reason or another, it was
you just wanted to move on, get a fresh start.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
The offense as a whole. Obviously a lot of change
with Tyler or DK being gone to change at the
quarterback things like that, the offensive line. Maybe you're not
done there yet, but how do you how do you
sort of look at that whole thing where the the
way the offense is.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah, offensive line, definitely. We we need to like I
I get it. Put Dave tells me all the time
that's going out there. Okay, like everybody sees it. You know,
we were in on We're a big time guy that
we wanted to bring in and get you know, physical
long when you spend that kind of money on a player,
and we wanted to visit. Another team didn't want to visit,
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and they just went ahead and did the deal. So
what does that mean. Does that mean you just go
ahead and start panicking and throwing money at you know,
other guys that aren't quite as good. No, you make
the smart decisions that are smart, patient decisions. We've made
decisions in the past and we're not usually don't jump
down that quick, and we've made some decisions in the
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past that haven't been the best decisions for the organization
because we weren't patient and we we panicked and you
pay for that, you know, because we want to be
a team that's you know, acquiring all throughout the year,
seeing compensate for your deficiencies, whether it's injuries or you know,
wander performance at a certain position. So you know, when
we get to the trade dead, not we can be saying, okay,
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yeah we need a Carlos dunt Lapp or we needed
a Diggy or you know what I mean, we need
we can be able to fix your team, and you
have to you have to be disciplined in your in
your spending. And I get it, like we all want it.
We all want things right now, but sometimes it happens.
Sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Were you surprised?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
So the draft is it? But sorry?
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Where you see the whole offense, we see a system, right,
we see teachers, you know, coach Tennison, JB you know, Clint.
I mean there's a whole group of guys here, know that,
like they've been they traveling packs, those guys, right, But
that group of guys, the wide zone guys, and so
having a system in place, run the ball, teachers develop,
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we gotta acquire develop. That's how that's how we see
it now. You mean MVS was big for us. Be
able to take the top off after losing DK, so
that became a priority for us. Yeah, and then being
able to get Josh as a swing tackle, it's huge
for us. We'll be packing away at it like year round.
You know, were you.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
Surprised to a guy like Joe Tuni went for a
two thousand, twenty six fourth giving U uh how hard
it is to find a guard?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, And when people say that, so, like, you know,
you guys are in on everything. Are there some of
these deals that happened without you guys? You can have
an opportunity to to get in there and and outod somebody.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, there's some like there's there's some conversations that have
had that you know, you're kind of like, okay, wait,
so well, yeah, I thought you were gonna call us
back or you know what I mean. There's sometimes things
just happened that we always say we wanna be in everything,
but like you know, and Joe's a great player, you know,
but you know, I'm not sure it. The surprise was
not that it was a fourth round pipot that had
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happened that fast.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Back to the Gensmith thinks for fat did you w
if it wasn't so soon up against the free agency
eushion here starting, would you have gone back and forth
on him or was there no back and forth coming that?
Speaker 7 (24:57):
There was no back and forth coming away? So that's
what became pretty evident that with the Raiders. No, he
did not ask you.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
All right, so you may have caught that of the
end John saying Gino Smith did not ask for a trade.
DK basically did ask for a trade, maybe because he
wasn't getting the offer financially he wanted and said, well,
if that's the case, and just get me the hell
out of here.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I can see that certainly happening.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Look, I mean, I just think we're kind of in
a wait and see mode, which is horrible for radio
right to desider and go I don't know, We'll come
back in August and check the line, or come back
in November and check the line. But he believes in
his system. When I hear him saying we don't want
to panic, that basically translates to me is we're not
giving guys big money deals. We're gonna wait until the
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third wave shows up and try to get some value.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know, I think about Louke Joko, I think exactly
the name I thought of it right.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
For drafting Carpenter, high signing Connor Williams, only to have
him quit halfway through the year.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
He's been burned by some of that stuff. But you know,
they are moves that they've made that were the wrong moves.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And so again, I'm just kind of going back to
the same question I ask you guys over and over again.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Can he do it?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Do we believe that he can do it because he's
telling you that he's got a way of doing things,
but the way of doing things hasn't really been effective lately.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I just think it's the level of aggressiveness. I just
don't know if the level of aggressiveness is there at
that position. I mean, it sounds like they could have
gotten Will Fryes if they want really wanted it, but
they would have just had to waive the physical and
take the chance. So they didn't go that extra mouth.
Joe Tooney, he was asked if he was surprised he
went for a fourth thrown draft man. He just yeah, yeah.
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I mean it almost sounds like there's another guy that
had they.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Been able to maybe dangle.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
The piece that they got for Geno Smith for Joe Toney,
maybe Joe Toney's in here, but they did. I mean,
there's just there doesn't seem to be the sense of
urgency to fill the offensive line over the last decade,
as there has been an other positions.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, I'll tell you what, man, If the Hawks are
going to be another ten and seven, nine and eight
football team this year, I really hope that they're nine
and eight because of a different position. Yea, what I'm
talking about, Like, I'm getting so tired of this. I
kind of would rather have them just suck it, you know,
defensive line or wide receiver or secondary.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Or whatever not at all. Well, just do.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Something else, because to be bad at that position again
and have that be the reason why you miss the
playoffs again would be such a downer. And at that
point in time, you're like, Okay, you know what, you
can't do it. You've had your shot.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You can't do it.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Look, I'll just say this about John his legacy in
this town is rock freaking solid.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
He is one of the top executive we've ever had
in this city. He's a legend. He's a Hall of Famer,
He's on them Mount Rushmore. But you can't just bank
on that past success to carry you for a decade
and a half later. It's got to start to turn around.
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What about your game allows you to take sel on.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Those feature task you know, it doesn't have to by mistake.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I work on that a ton have worked on that
the last few years in the offseason, whether it's mechanics
and mentally just understanding, okay, like leverages of safeties. You know,
how are we going to attack this guy? How are
we going to attack the post safety this week? Kind
of understanding who we're playing, where the weaknesses are in
that defense, and how we can take advantage over the top.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
God, I wasn't even close to that clip.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
This is the clip of John Schneider talking about his
favorite beer at Dino's. No, it's Cliff Favoral with his
memories on winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, the guy that asked the question is with us.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I know that from Hot blogger dot com Brian Nemhauser.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you, pal?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I'm doing well. Dave, how are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
So before we get to Darnold, before we get to
what Schneider said today, we're just a couple of days
into this with a free agency. Give us kind of
just your reaction your mood is a Seahawks fan to
how the first few days of free agency have gone
for the Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Well, I think it's probably mirrors the team.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
To be honest, I think that there's gonna be a
lot of people that say, hey, man, what are the
Seahawks doing? What's John Schneider and Mike McDonald doing up there?
Are they rebuilding? Are they resetting?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
This wasn't their plans.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
They planned to have Geno Smith back, They planned to
have DK metcalf back. Those two guys decided they didn't
want to be here, and so, you know, one of
the things John Schneider said today that I thought was
very telling and I think Seahawks fans can relate to,
is they want people here who want to be here.
And the fact of the matter is as much as
people love Geno Smith or don't, as much as people
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love Dk Metcalf or don't, it comes down to Mike
McDonald's the coach. He took this team to ten wins
last year. He produced a top ten defense for a
group that had been falling through the floor for a decade.
And if people aren't bought in, then it's it's you know,
thanks for your service and.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
On with the new.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So now you got a chance for Mike McDonald to
shape this culture in this locker room, and you got
a chance for new leaders to step up and new
identities to form.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Kind of seems like there was a different level of
frustration expressed by John Schneider when he talked about DK
versus Geno. I mean, the quote on DK was we
want guys who want to be here, and the quote
on Geno was we couldn't get a deal done. So
did can you kind of feel that there was a
little bit of more angst toward DK than there was
towards Gino.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I don't, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, I think I think that the thing with
DK metcalf is probably, you know, it might not be new,
and they might have been dealing with this for some time,
who knows, but you know, you heard from John Schneider
in this when they asked about Okay, they made an
extension offer to Gino Smith. They didn't really hear back,
and it was a pretty quick, pretty quick negotiation, And
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I think in that response he was telling everybody that
Gina wasn't really interested in being here and the offer
that they made was going to be probably comparatible what
he gets down in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, what was the offer? Do we know what they
offered him? Because we're here and he'll get between forty
and forty five with Vegas. You think the Hawks offered that.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I do believe they offered that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And that's something that Bob Candota reported in the Seattle
Times multiple times last week. It kind of went under
the radar that that was a report because everyone nationally
was going with the Albert Breer report that it was
just thirty five. But Bob reported it multiple times, and
I don't think that's by accident. So you know, this
is not a case where John Schneider, I think pushed
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Genoil out. I think it's a case where these guys
were ready to play somewhere else. And if Pete Carroll
hadn't been hired as the coach in Las Vegas, if
Tom Brady hadn't been part owner of the Raiders, I
think Gino Smith might still be here because I'm not
sure there's another place where he would have landed.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, it's certainly possible.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I was just gonna say it's certainly possible with the
Gino Smith just has so much affinity for Pete Carroll
that he wanted to go play for him period end
the story. I would certainly buy buy that, But Howserhawk
Blogger dot com is with us?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
How frustrated are you today?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And there's a long way to go, a lot can happen,
But how frustrated, Brian are you at this very minute?
The Seahawks have not really yet to address their offensive
line with any real significant impact.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
It's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And it's not frustration that's born of this offseason. It's
a frustration that's born of a decade of off seasons
of you know, not really going after that position and
with as much vigor as I think Seahawks fans would
have liked to have seen. And you know, you get
you get tired of hearing and I know fans do
it as well that I talked to they've you know,
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you hear about trenches. We heard about trenches three years ago,
four years ago from Pete Carroll and from John Schneider.
And on defense, I think they deserve credit, Jonas, you
know who's here.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
They've they've remade.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
If we had this conversation three years ago, we'd say
the defensive line and the offensive line are bad. Now
I think the defensive line is one of the best
in the NFL and part of a really good up
and coming d defense.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And I think they've.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Now turned their attention to the offense. But you know,
you look at this group and Will Fries, you know,
that was their one guy that they thought was a
good fit and could really add something, and they were
going to sign him, but he didn't want to wait
for a physical. And when you're going to commit that
kind of money to a player, I think it's understandable
to say, let's check on this injury before. And I
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asked him about the Joe Tooney trade. To me, that's
the even bigger like for a twenty twenty six fourth
round pick. And you know, Schneider kind of intimated that
they would have done something like that potentially, but that
deal just happened really fast and they didn't get an
opportunity to really get into bidding.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Bron asking one more on Gino, I mean, based upon
that forty to forty five million dollar off for per
year for two years that Kendota was was tweeting about,
did Gino save the Seahawks from themselves? Because we just
got Sam Darnold for thirty three million, which I feel
is a better quarterback than what we would have gotten
for forty forty to forty five.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And you know it's possible. I think you're betting on
the come with with Sam Donald in that case, because
Sam Donald, as much as he had a much better
statistical season than Gino Smith, there's no question last season
Sam Donald has not produced or demonstrated the kind of
skills that Gino Smith has. And I know that that's
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troubling for some Seahawks fans, but it's the truth. If
you look at the things that Geno Smith's been able
to do, the throws he can make, the consistency has had,
the way he's able to mitigate pressure, that's not something
Sam Donald has a lot of history doing. So they're
betting that he's twenty seven and can come up and
do that. But honestly, Dick, I look at the DK
things more of potentially him saving the.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Seahawks from themselves, because you.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Know how many third third contract receivers that you're paying
thirty million dollars to, you know, you feel good about
at the end of that contract. And look at the
teams that were at the end, most of the teams
they weren't receiver driven teams.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
So I think that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Could potentially be a good thing for this organization over time.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well Brown will go back to the offensive line in
a second, But let me just get you on record, right,
because there's there's there's two camps in Seattle, and most
of them show their faces on Twitter, by the way. Okay,
two camps in Seattle. One that the Seahawks upgraded at quarterback.
Another that says that they made a horrible mistake and
they're worse off today than they were a week ago.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What camp, are you win at quarterback?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, I think that's just a false dichotomy, because that's
that's implying that.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
The Seahawks had a choice.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
No, no, no, you know, just just just just forget
all that. Are they are they?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Are they better at quarterback today than they were a
week ago, whether they had a choice or not.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Are they better?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Is the quarterback position more talented today than it was
a week ago?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
No? I don't believe it is.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
How does this change or does it change how they
viewed drafting a quarterback next month?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I don't think it will change that.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I was actually a question I wanted to get in
with John, but we ran, we ran a little short
there and he would wouldn't really give us much on
his draft strategy anyway. But I think when I talked
to John Schneider at the combine and I asked.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Him about that, like.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
They he really wants a quarterback to fall to them.
They want a quarterback that they like. They're not going
to just take one to take one. But I think
there's some pretty interesting guys in this draft. I think
Jackson Darts one. I think Tyler Shuck is a guy
that most people don't know as well is another one
I think is pretty promising. And then there's Quinn Ewers,
who I'm not a big fan of, but there is
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some links between him and John. People seem to think
he might like him, and he shares the same agent
as Byron Murphy, who happens to be, you know, good
buddies with John. So those are three names that I'd
keep an eye on if I was a Seahawks fan.
And I think with the five picks in the first
ninety two, they do not have some ammunition to move
around the draft board if they see someone they really like.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I mean there's Sam Howell saying this thing with Sam
Darnold just really shouldn't impact them.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
What's soever know that?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What about what about a wide receiver and now being
in play at number eighteen. I mean, obviously you got
Jackson spent thing Jigba and I don't know what your
thoughts are and Marcus Valdez scandling, but the idea of
taking a receiver high in the draft, now you know what, I'll.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Tell you my perspective there. Guys, I think that would
be a massive mistake. I think that'd be a massive mistake.
You don't go from a very receiver oriented cap situation
and offense situation and then go and spend your eighteenth
pick on a receiver. I don't think there's a receiver
that you have to do that with. And in fact,
I think the receivers that best fit this offense are
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guys you can get day two. I think Jayden Higgins
from Iowa State, Jalen Nole, who I know the Seahawks
met with at the combine, are great options. Jack Besh
is a really interesting option, and they're looking for guys
that not only are good receivers, but are going to
be able to block in the run game That actually
matters here. So I don't think you have to spend
your first round pick there. I think there's higher value targets,
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And honestly, with the way free agency has gone, they
really are going to have to go offensive line.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I think they're a little bit cornered now. They can't wait.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I don't think till fifty to take their first offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
In this draft.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, no, totally agree, but that still is what a
month and a half away. So the free agent targets,
like if Brad Burry does get released, for example, or
Jackson Dick, maybe you the idea of trading a draft
pick to make sure that you get Brad Berry before
he hits the free agent market. Becton, Jenkins, are there
guys that you've got that you have your eye on
that you think they should try and grab before drafting?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know what I mean? I think a lot of
people are going to talk about Makai Becton, But my
understanding is this is a guy that John Benton, the
offensive line coach, has experience with, and if they really
wanted them, they'd already be targeting him, and I don't
think that's going to happen. I'm not sure he's at
three hundred and sixty three pounds a good fit for an.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Outside zone team anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You know, Kevin Zeitler signs with Tennessee, plays in in
you know, close to home where his family lives, and
you know, I think Kevin Jenkins is not going to
be the guy either, So I think you're talking to
out guys like Lucas Patrick is the name I will
put out there as somebody who played with the Saints
last year under John Benton, had played with the Packers before,
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has had experience at center and guard, and I don't
think he's going to be the answer, but I think
he's a guy that I wouldn't be surprised if they
take a long look at. I think that's the level
of player they're probably going to be looking at ahead
of the draft, because guys, there's just there's not a
savior out there at this point for that position.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
It's it's been pretty picked over.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So you mentioned the Saints there.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I saw the MVS play that you posted yesterday on Twitter,
and I was actually kind of surprised.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I didn't realize he still had those wheels.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I was right there with you, Dick, I like went,
I was like, all right, let's see what he looks like.
And it gives me an excuse to look at Clint
kuby CK's offense as well, and I was like whoa,
as like, Okay, there's a seventy one yard play, they touchdown,
there's a sixty seven yard play, there's a forty yard,
a thirty nine yard and this guy had four touchdowns
in eight starts with the Saints, the most he's ever
had in the season was and that's over a.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Sixteen to seventeen game season. So something really clicked.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And when we talked to him today at the vMac,
he just said that I wouldn't be here probably if
it wasn't for Klint Kubiak. He really feels like he
found something in that offense that fits his game. And
you know, I had to stop clipping after a while
because there were so many big plays that he was
making for that team. So I think that guy, you know,
a five and a half million I think fans would
be pretty happy to have him as opposed to you know,
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some of these other guys that are, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Fifteen million dollars. But at the same time, I would not.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Be surprised if Cooper cup is one of the next
moves that comes along.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, Well, going back to MVS for a second, is
he a satisfactory number two receiver in your opinion for
this team?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You know, I think by the definition of number two, no,
I don't think that's how he's going to be used.
I think he's probably more like a number three receiver.
But I think that that in this offense might be
like a misleading term. I think that they have roles.
There's players that they want to be able to take
the top off, and they're gonna use them in certain ways.
There's gonna be players that they want to use kind
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of in the crysto'lave role that I think will be
the JSN role that is gonna get the primary bulk
of the targets. And I think there's some other things,
a lot of crossers over the middle. So this is
pretty much, you know, a two receiver offense for the
most part. But I think there's times when they go
to three receivers that these guys are all gonna play
in different spots. JSN will not just be a slot receiver.
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I think they'll play him on the outside. MVS last
year similar thing, and I wouldn't be shocked if they
add one more through free agency.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
If it is Cup, I mean, are you comfortable with
two smaller receivers playing. I mean, there's no like big time,
throw it up, go get it type guy. If you've
got Cup on one side and JSN on one.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Side, yeah, I mean when those two guys are in there,
Obviously MBS has some height and some sides to him.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
One of the things I like about Cup and I
like him as a fit for this a couple of things. One,
he's actually a pretty willing blocker. And I know people
don't get excited when we're talking about receivers blocking, but
you know, it's going to take ten guys to create
the run game that this team wants and needs, and
that's going to take pressure off that offensive line and cuts.
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The guy that is gonna would have a big name,
and the fact that he's willing to put his nose
in there, I think would speak a lot.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
I also think that you know, you.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Just lost Tyler Lockett, you just lost you know.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
DK Metcaltino Smith.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
These are big voices on the offense. Oldest guy on
offense right now is twenty seven. The longest tenure is
three years. I think you're gonna having a guy like
Cooper cuff In there who's from Washington, who's been to
a Super Bowl. I think would be helpful in kind
of creating some new leadership along those lines.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
All right, Brian, before you go, what about DeMarcus Lawrence.
Your thoughts on signing him?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Man, Yeah, I just finished talking to him, and I
think Seahawks fans are gonna love this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
And one of the things.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
He told me is if Aden Dirty wasn't here.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
He wouldn't be here, right. So that's two straight years that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And Dirty has recruited a former Cowboys lineman last year
with Jonathan Hankins. This year it is DeMarcus Lawrence to Seattle,
and you know, he contemplated whether or not, you know,
he's gonna hang it up or keep going now with
a conversation he had, but.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
He feels like he's got a lot left to offer.
And he had a message to Cowboys fans as well.
But I saw that they're not going to win a
Super Bowl there. He's planning to do it here.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So yeah, I think this guy. You combine him his
his especially his run defense, but everything he does and
having that in the room with boy Mafe and Derek Hall.
You know, I think that's going to be a big
ad and and I think the combination with him and
Leonard Williams and and Byron Murphy and Jared Reid, it's
probably as talented and disruptive of a group that they've
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had on that side of the ball in a decade.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, so yeah, it should be fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Well, he's right about the Cowboys because the Hawks have
been to three of them since they had been to
their last one, by the way, so the odds are
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
He's gonna be right, all right, dude, good stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Follow Brian on Twitter at Hawk Blogger, hawk Blogger dot com.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
We'll talk soon, man, Thanks polaks.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
All right, all right, Brian Nemhauser with us, So come
back and talk a little bit about that. Uh his
question or his comment. I asked him, are the Seahawks
do they have a more talented quarterback than they did
a week ago? And he said no, he said no.
I mean it's just like there's this two camps many
you know, it's like Anchorman with the fight in the
parking lot.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's this is the new Jamal Adams all over again.
But it's a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
We'll come back and back about that next On ninety
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Speaker 8 (16:37):
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Speaker 4 (16:51):
All right, uh, John Schneider, we're gonna hear from him
in just a second. How about Hawk blogger Brian Nemhauser
with us last segment.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
We used to be able to get.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Him on whenever we wanted to. Now you got to
get in line like a regular schnook. Do you ever
see the end of Goodfellas? Like a regular schnook? Man Goad,
We used to get him on. He used to beg
us to come on the here. Now you're like, no,
you gotta wait in line and talk to his people
and offer him something up and prove your worth.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
He says, the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Are not as talented now at quarterback as they were
a week ago.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I think that's a different question than do they have
a better quarterback? Because talent wise, I could tilt my
head and say Gino Smith's a more talented quarterback than
Sam Darnald. I don't think he's a better quarterback than
Sam Darnald. And I know for a fact he's not
as old a quarterback as Jee Smith.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That part we know.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I think I think what Brian was getting at and
what I was getting at is their quarterback situation.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is it better off today than it was a week ago?
And I think he's saying, no, it's not better off
even with the ten million dollars.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'm just talking about the player, all right. I'm not
worried about the cap savings. I'm talking about the player.
So do you believe they're better off with the better player,
just a players, the player?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So Sam Donald, Sam Donald. I can't say Sam Donald.
You never will without saying.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Sam, which is okay, because we all expect you.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
To say it like this is Sam Donald never changed?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Is Sam Donald Sam Donald a better player than Gino Smith.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
For this system? Yes?
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Let me let me throw that caveat in there, because
I think Clink Kubiak system. Okay, I think it's going
to fit what Sam Sam Darnald's game better? All right?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
How about John Schneider. John Schneider spoke with the media
moments ago at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. Courtesy of
Fox thirteen. By the way, first question belongs to Bob Condota.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Can you take us through the Geno decision and the
trade of the trade of him and how that kind
of transpires. Sure, we made an offer to Gino, tried
to extend him. It became apparent that we weren't going
to be able to get a deal though. Yeah, it
wasn't like a very long negotiation, and so as a staff,
(19:02):
we had to be prepared to pivot. So we had
sat down with the offensive staff and obviously the personnel
guys were on it before anyway, but always having a
contingency plan and having to pivot. So we had several
guys we were interested in, made the trade, and we're
able to get the guy at the top of the list.
It doesn't happen all the time to.
Speaker 9 (19:23):
Be able to get Sam and I mean, that's a
pretty darg good option to have.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
It worked out great, and you know, having Clint with him,
you know, having the background with him and all the
connections that we have around the league, the guys that
have coached him, and like Scott Fitter and Dan being
with him as well in Carolina and talking about the
character and how much we studied him over the years,
watching his growth and you know, personally being able to
(19:51):
be around the guys that have kind of hit it
later in their careers like Rich Gannon and Matt Hasselback
and uh Gino as of late. It just you know,
you watch that progression, you watched the work ethic, the
character of the person, the scheme fits. It worked out perfect.
How much did you like him initially? I mean when
(20:12):
he was coming out he dropped, We liked him a lot,
you know, but I mean we didn't have a shot,
so yeah, but you know, Scott Fitter was with us
at the time, and uh he he, he loved him,
and uh, you know kind of he was the one
that really spent the most of all time with him.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
How much when Pete Carroll took the Raiders job, did
you know you could pivot quickly the gin Smid negotiationsticular.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Or uh when and when you're at the combine you
had a ton of discussions with a lot of teams
and you get that's where we we talked about down there,
like the landscape being set up that week. So you
have to be ready as a staff, to be able
to be flexible and having different directions, and that was
that was one of them that had become evident. Uh,
(20:58):
once they lost out on that staff.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
For didn DK trade request catch you guys by surprise
or how did you guys kind of handle that when
it came down and get to the point where you
got that trade yet?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Don't know as a surprise, Yeah, as surprise. There was
discussions that you know DK when have uh, we're having
very like a lot of personal discussions. I thought we
could fix it, handle it whatever it was. And at
the end of the day it was a no, and
he wanted to be traded, so we we pivoted and
(21:32):
moved forward. What kind of leader? What guys want to
be here? You know what I mean? What guys that
uh I believe in what we're doing. And you'd have
to ask him for one reason or another, it was
you just wanted to move on, get a fresh start.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
The offense as a whole. Obviously a lot of change
with Tyler or DK being gone to change at the
quarterback things like that, the offensive line. Maybe you're not
done there yet, but how do you how do you
sort of look at that whole thing where the the
way the offense is.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah, offensive line, definitely. We we need to like I
I get it. Put Dave tells me all the time
that's going out there. Okay, like everybody sees it. You know,
we were in on We're a big time guy that
we wanted to bring in and get you know, physical
long when you spend that kind of money on a player,
and we wanted to visit. Another team didn't want to visit,
(22:17):
and they just went ahead and did the deal. So
what does that mean. Does that mean you just go
ahead and start panicking and throwing money at you know,
other guys that aren't quite as good. No, you make
the smart decisions that are smart, patient decisions. We've made
decisions in the past and we're not usually don't jump
down that quick, and we've made some decisions in the
(22:39):
past that haven't been the best decisions for the organization
because we weren't patient and we we panicked and you
pay for that, you know, because we want to be
a team that's you know, acquiring all throughout the year,
seeing compensate for your deficiencies, whether it's injuries or you know,
wander performance at a certain position. So you know, when
we get to the trade dead, not we can be saying, okay,
(23:01):
yeah we need a Carlos dunt Lapp or we needed
a Diggy or you know what I mean, we need
we can be able to fix your team, and you
have to you have to be disciplined in your in
your spending. And I get it, like we all want it.
We all want things right now, but sometimes it happens.
Sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Were you surprised?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
So the draft is it? But sorry?
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Where you see the whole offense, we see a system, right,
we see teachers, you know, coach Tennison, JB you know, Clint.
I mean there's a whole group of guys here, know that,
like they've been they traveling packs, those guys, right, But
that group of guys, the wide zone guys, and so
having a system in place, run the ball, teachers develop,
(23:43):
we gotta acquire develop. That's how that's how we see
it now. You mean MVS was big for us. Be
able to take the top off after losing DK, so
that became a priority for us. Yeah, and then being
able to get Josh as a swing tackle, it's huge
for us. We'll be packing away at it like year round.
You know, were you.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
Surprised to a guy like Joe Tuni went for a
two thousand, twenty six fourth giving U uh how hard
it is to find a guard?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, And when people say that, so, like, you know,
you guys are in on everything. Are there some of
these deals that happened without you guys? You can have
an opportunity to to get in there and and outod somebody.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, there's some like there's there's some conversations that have
had that you know, you're kind of like, okay, wait,
so well, yeah, I thought you were gonna call us
back or you know what I mean. There's sometimes things
just happened that we always say we wanna be in everything,
but like you know, and Joe's a great player, you know,
but you know, I'm not sure it. The surprise was
not that it was a fourth round pipot that had
(24:42):
happened that fast.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Back to the Gensmith thinks for fat did you w
if it wasn't so soon up against the free agency
eushion here starting, would you have gone back and forth
on him or was there no back and forth coming that?
Speaker 7 (24:57):
There was no back and forth coming away? So that's
what became pretty evident that with the Raiders. No, he
did not ask you.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
All right, so you may have caught that of the
end John saying Gino Smith did not ask for a trade.
DK basically did ask for a trade, maybe because he
wasn't getting the offer financially he wanted and said, well,
if that's the case, and just get me the hell
out of here.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I can see that certainly happening.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Look, I mean, I just think we're kind of in
a wait and see mode, which is horrible for radio
right to desider and go I don't know, We'll come
back in August and check the line, or come back
in November and check the line. But he believes in
his system. When I hear him saying we don't want
to panic, that basically translates to me is we're not
giving guys big money deals. We're gonna wait until the
(25:46):
third wave shows up and try to get some value.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know, I think about Louke Joko, I think exactly
the name I thought of it right.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
For drafting Carpenter, high signing Connor Williams, only to have
him quit halfway through the year.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
He's been burned by some of that stuff. But you know,
they are moves that they've made that were the wrong moves.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And so again, I'm just kind of going back to
the same question I ask you guys over and over again.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Can he do it?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Do we believe that he can do it because he's
telling you that he's got a way of doing things,
but the way of doing things hasn't really been effective lately.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I just think it's the level of aggressiveness. I just
don't know if the level of aggressiveness is there at
that position. I mean, it sounds like they could have
gotten Will Fryes if they want really wanted it, but
they would have just had to waive the physical and
take the chance. So they didn't go that extra mouth.
Joe Tooney, he was asked if he was surprised he
went for a fourth thrown draft man. He just yeah, yeah.
(26:44):
I mean it almost sounds like there's another guy that
had they.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Been able to maybe dangle.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
The piece that they got for Geno Smith for Joe Toney,
maybe Joe Toney's in here, but they did. I mean,
there's just there doesn't seem to be the sense of
urgency to fill the offensive line over the last decade,
as there has been an other positions.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, I'll tell you what, man, If the Hawks are
going to be another ten and seven, nine and eight
football team this year, I really hope that they're nine
and eight because of a different position. Yea, what I'm
talking about, Like, I'm getting so tired of this. I
kind of would rather have them just suck it, you know,
defensive line or wide receiver or secondary.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Or whatever not at all. Well, just do.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Something else, because to be bad at that position again
and have that be the reason why you miss the
playoffs again would be such a downer. And at that
point in time, you're like, Okay, you know what, you
can't do it. You've had your shot.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You can't do it.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Look, I'll just say this about John his legacy in
this town is rock freaking solid.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
He is one of the top executive we've ever had
in this city. He's a legend. He's a Hall of Famer,
He's on them Mount Rushmore. But you can't just bank
on that past success to carry you for a decade
and a half later. It's got to start to turn around.
We're going to break textimonials and zerline. NFL Draft Insider
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(28:05):
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