April 17, 2025 • 34 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain listen and react to a podcast visit by Scott Servais where he took a little shot, look ahead to the 2025 NFL Draft including a short visit from Lance Zierlein, then listen and react to some audio from Deion Sanders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Speaking of the Mariners and speaking of the Padres. I
don't know if people know this or not, but Scott's
service has been working kind of as a consultant for
San Diego this year.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah, and he's he was on with Aj Perzinski today
and there was some questions about the Mariner Way versus
the San Diego Padre Way. Does this have the potential
to be a little bit juicy? Maybe let's listen in.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Jerry Depoto said the fifty four percent comment. I know
he regrets it, but do you feel like Aj Peler
tries to win one hundred percent of the games? What's
the difference in the mentality of the Padres versus the Mariors.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Every place is different. Everybody's going to value different things
and how they put their teams together, how they develop players,
how they draft. I mean, payrolls are all different, you
know whatnot So for me kind of seeing what the
Pondre's done and I just came on board here in January,
there are stark differences, There's no question about it. I
think the thing that stood out for me first was
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just the number of people who work for the Padres
in the different departments that they have and how they're
built out. It's just different. Doesn't make it right or wrong,
or it's just a different vibe to it. But you know,
as far as trying to win every game or winning
one hundred and fifty four percent whatever, I know Mike
Shild's trying to win every game.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
So not as juicy as I was hoping for.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
But I will say that I've heard from other people
and I'm texting one of them right now that you
know this guy I'm texting, by the way, who made
the point earlier about the staff size of the Mariners
versus other teams around baseball, that they just don't have
as many people working for them coaches, support staff, whatever
as other teams do. And let's face it, the Padres
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spend a bunch of money right on their payroll despite
being not a gigantic market obviously, but not you know,
Pittsburgh either. And that's not the first time I've heard
that that the Mariners just don't have as many people
working for them. I was hoping for a little more juiciness,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I was hoping for some more snarkli from Scott.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I was hoping that he would have said serious that question,
and they didn't say that. So I mean maybe in
the end he'll come out with more stuff when it's
all said and done. But I mean the Padres don't
exactly have an incredible history either. I mean, I know
they have a World Series appearance under their belt, but man,
that was was.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
That forty years ago? Eighty four? Leas's time the Padres
made the World Series?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Did they make the World Series? Yeah, and they had
a deep playoff.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I think it was eighty four when they made the
World Series. But trior Fever, Yeah, they don't. They don't
have uh or they do have much bigger staff than
the marriage.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, I mean when it comes to staff size, though,
to me, that seems more like just a preference versus
a budgetary thing, because when you're talking about what is
a what is an extra ten people in staff gonna make,
it's like it doesn't even equal a starting shortstop in baseball.
So it's like, I just think they probably prefer to
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have less staff, not because they're too cheap having less staff.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Ninety eight ninety eight, they made the World Series and
got swept. They made it in eighty four and lost
the World Series four each to one.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I mean, I just think that when we're not
talking about staff members that are making millions.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Of dollars so right, and why not hire them? Then
maybe it must be a preference thing or they're cheap,
but that's why. But if everybody's making just a reasonable
mom and pop salary, it's.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well, I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't know what these guys make, honestly, I mean,
I I mean, do we know what like those support
staff people make. I mean, like and nutritionists and extra
hitting coaches and things. I'm gonna text the person that
told me that, by the way, last year about staff.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He says on the air, I think we know who
it is?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Uh who the person that told me a year ago
that the Mariners don't have his big as staff.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, I know that, I know that we had. It
was Steven on the.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Air said No, this is somebody else, different guys.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Stephen said that on the air.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Stephen did say.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
On the end they have a Yes, he did say
that they have a bigger staff, or that they don't
have his biggest staff.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I don't know why that is. I mean, I I.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The problem with the Mariners and when it comes to
money and things like that. Is they're going to lose
all arguments, right right? Are they doing it because they
just don't want to spend the money. Are they doing
it because they'd rather have a smaller staff? I mean,
I don't know, man. I mean, does Jerry think that
having a smaller staff is really the way to go?
And if he does think that, maybe he should rethink it. Well,
may need more people running around, you know, more ideas
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in the think tank.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm just saying, which which team? Which franchise is cheaper?
A franchise that pays their players one hundred and fifty
million dollars total, but only has fifteen people on staff,
or a team that pays their players one hundred and
forty million dollars but has forty people on staff. I
would argue that what.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
The Padres payroll this year, you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I don't we can pull it up easily enough.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I mean, he's bigger than the Mariners, right too.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Million dollars. They've got three or four sluggers on their team, making.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
A tough They're spending like sixty million more than the
Mariners are, and they have a bigger staff, so they
spend more on payroll.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, when when it comes I'm not
talking about the padres specifically. I'm just talking about you know,
team A versus Team B. I mean, I would say
the bigger staff. Again, ten staff members probably equals us.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, But I don't think that that's the way that
those teams do that, where they look at the payroll
of the team versus the payroll of their coaches and
combine the two.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
They probably have budgets for each of them.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay, I don't know that for a fact, right, but
I would think that that I would hope that's the
way that they do things like can you imagine the
Mariners saying, no, we can't go out and trade for
this picture unless we fire a cook, right, I mean,
it makes no freaking sense to operate like that. But again,
I mean, I just think the Mariners will lose all
the arguments when it comes to stuff like that because
of their history. I mean, you yourself have been you know,
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saying that you know you're disappointed, right, and what their
financial commitments have been, Yes to their payroll when you
thought by this time it'd be more. But if you're
telling me that most teams in baseball. If the Mariners
have a smaller staff compared to everybody or else around
the game, then that's a problem. And I don't know
where they rank. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe
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there's a way to look that up and find out. Okay,
here's how many people this team's got. If they're right
in the middle, okay, fine, But if they're buried deep
dick down below the bottom and they're really light on
the amount of people they have working for them, then
that's an issue.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It could be an issue of it. I mean, it
could also be an issue the other way. It's like
if maybe maybe somebody would go into those other teams
and say, well, wait a second, you've got this guy
doing this, and this guy doing that, and this guy
doing this. You could have one guy doing all three.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Except the problem is the way the Mariners are doing
it isn't working.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So again, if it was working, I would say yes,
And I tend to agree with you in general terms
that the less cooks in the kitchen I think the better,
just in just.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Any walk of life.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Right, it's like four versus Ferrari Jackson. Remember that scene
with Matt Damon where he's in there, and he said,
I saw that envelope pass through that guy's hand, this
guy's hand, that guy's hand, that guy's hand. It probably
had twenty different people before it got up to your office. Right,
So it can be a problem. But if the Mariners
are not doing what everybody else in baseball is doing,
and they're falling behind with their commitments for things like that,
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then that could be, you know, that could.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Be a sign that again, this is why they're where
they're at. I mean, honestly, where are they at?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Because you're by saying that, you're like overall, because you're
saying that, it almost sounds like they're a sixty four
and ninety eight baseball team.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
No, I'm saying they're the only team in the history
of the game currently that's never been to the World Series.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
That's a story.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean, but they've all I mean, but but I think.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They have a shot to be pretty good this year.
But they've played nineteen games.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
But they've been good all that year.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They've been good all decad They've been right all day,
but them good.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
They've made it all.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They've made the playoffs one time, but they've been good
all dec and they've made the playoffs one time. What
is your definition of good?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm the same as I'll steal it from Jerry to Poto,
like one of we're one of We're the only team
that's won eighty five games in a row, four straight
years in a row.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I mean that, don't rip Jerry to Poto for saying
that name.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm just saying, like, I'm just trying.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
To You're trying to what, Dick, what are you trying
to do? Honestly, well, just what are you trying to do?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well? I think you're painting the Mariners as like one
of the five worst franchises in baseball.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Okay, the Athletic just did a poll where they talked
to like forty different people about the best front offices
in baseball. You know where they finished. They were like
twenty eighth in the game. They got like four votes
for the best front office. So when you say, I'm
painting a picture, okay of what They've never made a
World Series, they've made the playoffs one time in the
last twenty five years. I mean, do I think that
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they have a chance at a brighter future? Yes, I do,
of course I do. But like, what are we doing
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Speaker 5 (08:56):
Weren't we supposed to get a copy of his last bock?
Or is that coming down week? Next week? Next week? OK?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Four point oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean I don't I don't get why he has
to wait though, I mean, should there be a five
point oh four.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
Week?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
We explained to us that there's so many guys doing
mocks that he's got to share with. Uh, you know
that it takes you know, you want one out each week?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I don't give it. Damn about those guys that care
about him.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lan Zerline joining us Curtnesy of our friends with the
Queen Anne Beer Hall. Occidental Hall about to open up
there next to Luman, So keep an eye on that
land Zerr line. One week from tonight, big fella, is
the NFL Draft. Are you ready to put this chaos
behind you and move on with the rest of your life?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
I'm more than ready.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
If I could eliminate the four point oh mock, I
would trust me.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah, I don't blame you at all.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, why don't we just kind of sit here and
talk about your latest mock a little bit versus kind
of the difference between what you think teams will do
and what you think teams should do. I know that
dot Com had somebody, I think it was Adam Rank
did did a kind of a feature on that. How
much of your is about that versus kind of what
you think teams should do versus what they will do.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
No, it's almost all what they will do.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
I mean I I obviously I'm a little bit tainted
when it comes to player A versus player B. I
try to think like the teams do. But you don't
know teams boards, so you know, you kind of default
to your own board A little bit of how you
see players. But I always try to I try to
make a decision based on how I think that you
know the team, would you know the team would do it?
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So that's that's basically it. I mean, I once again
to mocks three and four. I'm trying to get them
as accurate as possible. So to do that, you have
to really try to think like the teams.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You have to think about the you know, the players that.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
Are uh you have to look at contracts that are
expiring the next year, potential cap cuts the next year,
guys who are going to be free agents who may
not you know, may not make it to the to
the to the next seasons. Because good teams draft behind
those players. They don't wait until they're desperate. So you know,
in that way, I try to think like the teams.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, I'm gonna ask you to think like the New
York Giants are thinking right now. And I want to
know why they're having a workout in Boulder. Is it
because they like Shador Sanders and are considering Shador Sanders
or they're pretending to like Shador Sanders so someone moves
up to get him and they can trade down.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Yeah, I think they're looking for the second round on it.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Honestly, I mean you're looking at him as a player,
you know, I really look as the third pick. I mean,
no one's I don't see anyone trading up for Shador.
I think they know that right now there's really not
a market for Shad or Sanders in terms of a
trade up.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
So that would I.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Mean, frankly, that would be silly to think you're gonna
game it. I think they legitimately wanted They want to
see him again. They want to know what he looks like. Remember,
they got an early pick in the second round. There's
a potential to trade up from the first round, from
the second round into the first round. The shoud or
falls you want to be ready, is that the great
guy you want in the second round? From what I understand,
I think they're having workouts with Tyler Shuckin and uh
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I think maybe Jackson Dartis well, they're you know, they're
having some workouts with other quarterbacks as well, not just
not just Shud or Sanders. So I think the Giants
really want to right now fine tune the process on
who they want to target with that you know, early
pick in the second round, and when I say that obviously,
at any point the Hawks could trade out of the
first I mean, it wouldn't be the first.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Time Schneider did that.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
I don't see it this year, but I think Minnesota
Vikings only have like four picks. They really need draft picks.
I could see them trading back and out of the
first round. So I think the Giants right now just
want to really fine tune their draft board from a
quarterback standpoint, and then once the draft comes, they'll they'll
take a look at the flow of the draft, how
it's going, and then they'll make a decision about whether
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or not they want to take.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
H Did we just lose Lance by the way, or
is he still there?
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Quarterback? That's I think that's what it's about.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Got him all right?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Lan Zerline with us NFL dot Com courtesy at Queen
Anne Beer Hall, Maspe Hall in Kirkland and coming soon
the brand new Occidental Hall near looming Field. So Lance said,
Dick and I were talking with Jackson the your day
about Jalen Milroe because the Hawks had him in camp
or at the VMAT a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
How much will do you think?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And I was talking to Hugh about this off the
year apparently he made the same point as well. Great
minds thinking like, I guess how much will the failure
at least in year one of Anthony Richardson to suade
teams from taking Jalen Milroe high in this year's draft, because,
for example, I'm of the opinion that Kyler Murray was
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helped greatly by Russell Wilson that without Russell Wilson having
his career, I don't think Kyler Murray ever goes number one.
Does it work the opposite way where a guy like
Anthony Richardson may talk some teams out of going after
Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
And that's actually a really good point.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
I think you make a good point because I'm also
of the mind that certain quarterbacks beget other quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I think when you have a.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Player that has done well that is similar in size
or type, it leads you, whether it's subconsciously or concient,
you know, to believe that there's potential success, like there's.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Something that you don't need to be afraid of.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
By the way, I think Baker Mayfield, who was drafted
the year before Kyler Murray, also helped because Baker had
a good he had a good, a good rookie season,
and he came out of Oklahoma offense, and that's where
Kyler Murray came out of. So I think he was
really helped as well, although you know, obviously Russell Wilson
was much more mobile.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
I don't I don't look at personally. I mean, the
tape is not good on Jaln Milroe. I don't you know.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
If I don't think Anthony Richardson's play has anything to
do with Milroe. You look at Milroe and and I
think the tape says he should be a third or
fourth rounder. The fact that he's going to potentially go
into second round to me as wild because the tape
is not even close to being that.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
So I think what it speaks to.
Speaker 8 (14:47):
So, no, I don't think I think the Anthony Richardson
is I think that stuff is completely different than Milroe.
When you look at Milroe and you're looking at a
player that reminds me of Slash.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
When when Cordell Stewart came out, I mean it's and
comp on him. People come.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
The size of like the run and Chase Will linebacker,
he has.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Jackson him down. All right, Yeah, when do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know how much that drives me nuts, by the way,
and I hope it drives everybody nuts.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Okay, I think it drives you more.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Nuts than it drives other Well, I mean, it's just
I don't know. When you can't hear somebody, that's kind
of hard to do a radio show. It's like rule
number one. But you know, it's interesting hearing his thoughts
on Milroe. He says, the tape shows a third or
fourth rounder. Because the debate that you and I were
having the other day, I agree with you, I think
somebody will take him higher. I don't think they should,
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but I also agree with you that just like the
Colts and Anthony Richardson, and just like the Broncos and
Tim Tebow, somebody will fall in love with the potential
for him and just go bananas. And I'll tell you
a team that might honestly want to think about taking
a kid like Jalen Milroe, uh is Kansas City. I mean,
can you can you imagine using him in those short
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yardage situations and not having to use Patrick Mahomes like that?
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I mean, you got a lot of what you need already.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Obviously they do have some holes, But how about a
weapon like that being added.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
To the Chiefs roster.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well that's the thing. And Lance, I mean, I got
I get made fun of by these guys a lot.
But I got panned the other day by even considering
that the Seahawks should sniff at Jaylen Milroe in the
second round. Just be I am fascinated by nearly unprecedented
measurables that this guy has. Is he coachable? Could a
good coaching staff in two years turn him into a
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reasonable passer that has unbelievable athleticism and speed?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I don't, I.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
Don't, So it's a reasonable NFL. He's just not a
good enough field reader. He has not natural received but
got broke up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
But all right, we're gonna let Jack, So let's go
with this. Let Lance go sorry about that. We will
try to rectify the situation. Uh, those freaking Gerbils man,
they keep striking. I thought I thought we reached a
deal with the Gerbil Committee. I thought we were dumb,
and I thought the new CBA was there striking, sealed
and delivered. Well, they can't go on striking, fire them all.
Let's get some hamsters in here. I've got some guinea pigs.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
In here.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But I think there's a couple of real fascinating angles
on this draft.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
The Milroe one is one of them.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And the cool thing about the Millroe deal is it
doesn't even need to be like a first round like,
oh my god, well we wake up on Friday. I
don't think we think he's gonna go first round on Thursday.
But when we wake up on Friday, are we going
to see him go second round? Well, he'd be high
second round. How about if Schador is still sitting there?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Is he going to the draft? By the way, Sanders,
I don't think he is. Is Milroe with the draft?
Did I hear that Milroe was going there?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Which is weird to me?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Right?
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
If there and this is a but he must know something?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Well, well, the.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
NFL has to know something, right Like why would they
want to invite him if they think there's no shot
at him going in the first round. I guess that'd
be a better question for Lan answer, maybe even Hugh
Tomorrow on the radio show. But I would think the
last thing the NFL wants to do is create a
vision of a kid sitting there right at the end
of the draft and having to go home and come
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back on Friday.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Does the NFL want that, I don't think they want that.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I don't think they do either. I'm wondering though, if
it's just because he's a quarterback, because Jackson Dart's going
to be in the green room as well, and you know,
there's a chance that Jackson Dart doesn't go until the
late second round either. Now, he could go with the
I've seen some mocks with Dart in.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
The early seconds.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
NFL dot coms got one in the late.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
First CBS has him going thirty four to the Giants,
which that'd be a hell of a pick by them
to get Carter and then Jackson Darts would be amazing
if Travis Hunter goes to the Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So and I think just having because this is a
draft that doesn't have a ton of household names that
I think having guys that most people know, now Jackson Dart,
Jalen Milroe in the green room, you know, provide some
interest to the viewer.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Up.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, well, Lance, Lance just wrote back, and we're gonna
try to get him on with you guys tomorrow, okay
on the radio show. Gee, he says, by the way, Jackson,
how about this, You'll love this? This is really inside
information for radio junkies out there. Uh just was informed
that he has a comerce unit that he can connect to.
Oh perfect, I know that doesn't mean much to people,
but it means a much better connection, is what it means.
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So we'll work on that and see if we can
get him on tomorrow with with Dick and here I'm
taking tomorrow off head down to LA but we'll get
We'll get Lance on tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
But the Shador thing is interesting. I mentioned the.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Adam Rank article for NFL dot com where he kind
of redid the draft, which is really fun based on
where or what he thinks team should do. And he's
got the Jacksonville Jaguars taking Tyler Warren at number five,
and this year's draft just thinks he's gonna be a
freaking star in the NFL. And if he's gonna be
the next George Kittle or the next Travis Kelcey or
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even maybe a better version Dick of those guys, why
wouldn't you take him at number five?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He is my number one pick this year on can't
lose prospects, and I've honestly I've gone three. Dude, did
Pitts go in the twenty three draft.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Of the twenty two, I think he was two years
ago or three years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I can't because and maybe it's just a tight end thing,
but I think for three years in a row, I've
had tight ends. Is my can't miss. Brock Bauers was
my can't miss last year that turned out good. Kyle
Pitts did not turn out very well. Although I wouldn't
call Kyle Pitts a complete bust, but he's not been
very good. I think Tyler Warren is like the safest
pick in the first round. I just don't see how
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a team finds a way for this guy to be
a star at that position.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, look, I mean you look at players like Bryce
Young especially have you seen the Panthers receiving room.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Their best receiver is Adam Thiel and he's thirty five
years old. I mean, it's that's like stupid. It is well,
and it kind of actually like to me, and I
don't know what you guys think about it, but it
almost like so when people last year around baseball, we're
almost getting angry at the Mariners for not doing enough
to take advantage of the pitching staff and by the way. Yeah,
this is pits his third year. He was drafted in
twenty twenty three. He's got a two hundred catches, by
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the way.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's why he's not a bust. He's just not worth
where they took him.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, may be wrong about the years, by the way,
but I'm all messed up here with my internet anyway.
The point is is that I think people look at
like a team like Carolina and they see them drafting
Bryce Young, and then they ask him, well, what.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Did you do to help the guy?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Did you get him any weapons? You get him an
offensive line, did you get him a running back? Did
you get him some wide receivers? And the names on
the Carolina roster that are playing wide receiver for them
is embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
By the way, We're both way off. This is gonna
be Coyles fifty or now in the NFL way.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Really, I think he was drafted in twenty twenty one,
so sorry about that, but that that really is what
kind of gets me is when you look at all
these teams and they draft these guys high and then
don't give them any help at all. It's why I'm
such a fan of just getting the quarterback last when
everything else done.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, because then you can fall into a situation like
rusted right, where everything is around where everything's around him,
and it never works. I'm trying to think of a
situation where it has worked over the last ten years
where a quarterback was drafted high in the first round
and they went to a disaster and it worked. I mean,
Trevor Lawrence was the can't miss of can't misses the
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last decade, but he went to such a horrendous situation. Yeah,
there's fifteen places I believe at least that Trevor Lawrence
could have gone to and he'd be an all pro.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right now, Well, you know what Hugh thinks about Daniel Jones.
He thinks the same thing that if Daniel Jones had
gone somewhere else that, you know, maybe he would have
been a much better quarterback than what he turned out
to be with the Giants. But yeah, I mean it's interesting.
The mill Roe thing is just such a differing opinion
on Jalen Milrow from a lot of people. But I
do think you're right. I think teams are desperate for
playmakers and desperate for side shows and desperate for skills,
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and this guy's got skills, and I think there's gonna
be a team that will take him a little bit
higher than maybe he deserves to go Seahawks again at
eighteen if they stay at eighteen, And one of my
questions for Lance was gonna be how hard is it
going to be for the Seahawks to get out of
that pick? Because I think a lot of teams are
going to be looking to get out. I just don't
know if they'll be able to pull it off, right.
And that's why having having Shedear Sanders sitting there, having
Jackson Dart sitting there, having Tyler Shuck sitting there, there's
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always the guy that goes a lot higher, and people
thinking there's always the guy that falls right. So the
more quarterbacks that are available at number eighteen for the
Seahawks to convince somebody to move up and take, like,
for example, the Giants have the second pick of the
second round, is that right? Yeah, they're picking thirty fourth. Okay,
So let's say the Giants take Carter at number three
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and then you got Shdear Sanders sitting there, or Tyler
Shuck or Jackson Dart sitting there at eighteen.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Are they willing to part.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
With maybe that pick to move back up in the
first round and get the quarterback they're looking for a
To me, that'd be frick fun.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I always think it's smart when when you've got a
situation where some people at some point thought that a
player should go that high in the first round, and
you can get him either low in the first round
or high in the second round. I mean, you're stealing
somebody at that point.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
By the way, speaking to Chador, apparently Dion Sanders spoke
today about the criticism of Shador getting his number retired. Well,
I'm just looking at this one clip on X I
don't have the actual audio here. I guess I can
send to Jackson. We can play it next segment. But
Dion says the one quote that this may be totally
out of context. So I gotta just preface this. If
his last name weren't Sanders, we would not be having
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this discussion, and is exactly right. If his last name
were not Sanders, we would never be having the discussion
about his number getting retired.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Ever, well, isn't that a reason to not retire it
instead of a reason to retirement.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He is saying that if his last name wasn't Sanders,
nobody would be criticizing it. They're only criticizing it because
my gosh, are you serious. I'm pretty saying Jackson, I
gotta get this audio to you. We gotta play this
next because I want I.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Will to hear what Deanna's saying.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So he thinks he thinks that that Joe Brown, yes,
leads Colorado to a what is a thirteen and eleven record,
apparently that he would be and not ever be a
first team All Conference player and he should have his
number retired.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yes, yes, wow, Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Dion's delusional in that sense.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just said it to you, Jack, So let's get
to that and then uh Jodah Coleman, We're gonna hear
from him in the six pm hour as well.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
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Speaker 5 (25:49):
Can I just.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, I want to say something about this Twitter account,
but I don't want to give this person any credit whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Don't name the Twitter account though.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's just an ass kissing, stupid ass son of a
bitch who's it's this.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Person and it's not even a person.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Let that one right, Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that tweet. Yeah,
I saw that tweet.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
It's just it's so gross, it's so gross.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
With social media has become, people go online and you
know this, Jackson, and they'll say something completely outrageous and
stupid and ass and I knowing it's just gonna engender
people getting angry and just responding for clicks.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right, Let's say something that I know is stupid. I
know it's stupid, Like I know that I'm wrong. I
know I'm wrong. I know it's dumb. It's stupid. You're
gonna kill me. But the more people kill me, the
more money I'm gonna make. So let's say something stupid.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
If that's not a real person, then how's he making money?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
The account is real, but there's somebody behind it. We
don't know who it is.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Jackson. You probably know the account of talking.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
About he sold the account, so they sold the account
to somebody else.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
So now somebody else runs this thing. It's just so
frickin' but fatic is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh god, well, Deon Sanders today was asked about the
criticism that they are getting for retiring Shadure Sanders number
at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Check us out.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
Let's get the elephant the room. I don't want to
talk about this too long. I'm gonna just talk briefly
and let it go. We talk about should door. We
ain't talking about nobody else. But his last name was Sanders.
We wouldn't have discovered this discussion. The only reason we
were happening in this discussion is his last name is Sanders.
That's it. It's been so many things accomplished at this
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university expeditiously. It's been unbelievable, and I think we should
be appreciative. We should be thankful. We have a room
full of wonderful people that covers us and I don't
I don't know if you all were in this room
two three years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, So this is what I mean when I talk
about Deon Sanders, that I think that too simple truths
can exist. At the same time, that Deon Sanders is
a really good football coach. Is that fair to say? Yes,
he's also at times completely full of crap. And I
think both those things exist, right. I mean, I'm not
gonna deny what Sanders has done as a football coach.
I mean absolutely, I mean he's incredible, right.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
What he's done for.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Colorado has been insane. Good for him, I think is
a very good coach. And I think one day Deon
Sanders probably will be in the NFL as a head
coach in the National Football League, which would go against
the grain of what everybody ever thought was possible that
a guy like Deon Sanders prime time would be looked
to to be a head coach of one of thirty
two teams in the NFL. So he is really he's
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breaking barriers. There is no question Don Sanders is breaking barriers.
But he is also completely full of nonsense at times.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I love a lot of stuff he says.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think he's a great speaker, he's a great communicator.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
A lot of his messages I think are awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
But there are days like this where I look at
him and I just believe that he either a his
head is up his ass or B he thinks our
heads are up our ass, right, and we're gonna believe
whatever he throws at us because he's saying that the
only reason why they're getting criticized is because Chador is
his son. Like if it was anybody else, people would say, oh, yeah,
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no problem, retire the number.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
He deserves it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
No, the only reason why we're talking about retiring his
number is because he's your friend.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
If he was anybody else, people there would be no
question that wouldn't retire the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
For sure, the Big twelve Offensive player of the year.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Give him credit, but nobody is talking about retiring his number.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
If his last name is.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Goldblat, well, yeah, I guess if I had to be
the attorney for the retire Chadur's retire Chador side, I
would say, all right. Two years of Colorado, he threw
for sixty four touchdowns and thirteen interceptions with a completion
percentage of seventy two, and he broke the all time
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Colorado single season passage passing yardage mark. So could make
an argument. One could make an argument. I wouldn't, but
one could that he is the greatest quarterback in Colorado football.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Then you better retire Jake Browning is number because he
threw from more yards on the right I mean passing
yards or in context with the era of football, that's
exactly okay. So I mean, weren't there like three or
four guys that people that went to Colorado have.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Mentioned that Darren Hagen one of them?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (30:17):
D On Figures?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Is that I mean, isn't isn't he in the Hall
of Fame, the College Football Hall of Fame from from Colorado?
I remember Figures twenty twenty four and he's his number
is not retired.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
So I mean again, you know, look, I mean if yeah,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
If you're right, if our job was to debate that side,
that's why make points that promote Shador Sanders getting his
number retired. Whatever you can pick at, you pick at,
and that would be one of them. And I don't know, man,
I mean it's like, I really want to like d
On a lot.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I think he's great for football. I think what he's
done for the game has been amazing. He's a great figure,
he's entertaining, there's no question about that, absolutely entertaining, great
for sports talk radio. Then you guys just does stuff
like this. I mean, you know, what you say, if
you're Dion, what I would just say and this is
not in his nature obviously, But what I would say
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is it, Look, I get it, you know, I get
why people are critical.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
We think he deserves it. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's all. Yeah, I mean to me, I mean, I
really like Dion. I I don't like him as much
as I like Lebron. But there's some similarities. Because that's
a good question. There's some sooner you like more than Lebron.
That really is the question. Oh my wife and kids.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Wow, that's about it. He's that high on on your
food chair gets your guys goat Seattle athletes just so
it's Janna Dixon, Aubrey Lebron.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm not even an Uncle Graham, anybody else.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Why don't you have another baby just so you can
name it Lebron.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But it's funny though, because it reminds me kind of
how much of my liking of Dion Sanders, because I
kind of find myself having to wade through some of
the stupid things that both of them say. It's like,
I like Dion, but God Dion. Why Jeff to say
that I love Lebron, but God Lebron, Why Jeff to
say that? I can understand why people don't like Dion
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or don't like Lebron for the for some of the
things that they say, and this is just another one
on that list.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I like, I actually like them both, you know,
But again, I just think that, you know, there's kind
of times where you're.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Like, oh, wow, man, you know, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But you know, I don't know, I just I don't
like when people patronize other people. And I feel like
Deon Sanders is kind of doing that right now, you know.
I feel like the Poto did that a little bit
obviously had some press conferences. You know, when you talk
to people like their freaking idiots and you expect them
to just be sheep, and I think Deon Sanders sometimes
expects that out of people.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I mean, there's consequences for the way that you talk
to people.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And I get so sick and tired of people talking
to other people like they should believe whatever comes out
of their pie hole as the gospel. And I think
sometimes Dion Sanders talks like that. Sometimes Terry de Poto
talks like that. I mean, I don't know if we
can argue who's accomplished more. I mean, Dion Sanders is
maybe the greatest defensive player of all time, and they
accomplished smart as a player. For certain, there's no question
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about that. And what he's done at Colorado has been amazing.
But it's too bad that this conversation is actually happening
with Shador.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
I feel like he's kind of caught in the middle.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
And I wonder I don't know anything about what happens
behind the scenes with the father and the son and
the family, But like, who wanted this? Did Shador want this?
Did Dion want this? Can imagine want embarrassed by this?
Is he that cocky where he thinks he deserves it?
Is he that arrogant where he thinks he deserves it?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
You know, college kid goes to the brass at the
school and say, you know, I really think my numbers
should be retired. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Maybe one that's growing up with his asks his entire life,
maybe as a.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Silver spoon up has took us. I mean, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean, I feel bad I shouldn't say that because
I have no idea what kind of kid.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He is, well, he seems to be. I mean, there's
no reports of Shador Sanders being a bad leader, right
not like, there's no like if if Shador was a
complete ass and his team didn't like it, you better
believe we'd know that.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, there's there's some social media stuff he's done and
some of the antics on the field, right, and maybe
he'll grow out of that, and maybe that's just kind
of part of being Dion's kidding. I would think it's
virtually impossible to be the son of Deon Sanders Dick
and not be a little bit cocky.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Absolutely, well, you've been trained to be cocky because Dion.
Dion thrived on his cockiness, and I honestly believe Dion
partially was as great as he was because he was
so questioned. Some people feed on that cockiness, and he
was like, yeah, Richard, he taught his son to be
like that.
Speaking of the Mariners and speaking of the Padres. I
don't know if people know this or not, but Scott's
service has been working kind of as a consultant for
San Diego this year.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah, and he's he was on with Aj Perzinski today
and there was some questions about the Mariner Way versus
the San Diego Padre Way. Does this have the potential
to be a little bit juicy? Maybe let's listen in.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Jerry Depoto said the fifty four percent comment. I know
he regrets it, but do you feel like Aj Peler
tries to win one hundred percent of the games? What's
the difference in the mentality of the Padres versus the Mariors.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Every place is different. Everybody's going to value different things
and how they put their teams together, how they develop players,
how they draft. I mean, payrolls are all different, you
know whatnot So for me kind of seeing what the
Pondre's done and I just came on board here in January,
there are stark differences, There's no question about it. I
think the thing that stood out for me first was
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just the number of people who work for the Padres
in the different departments that they have and how they're
built out. It's just different. Doesn't make it right or wrong,
or it's just a different vibe to it. But you know,
as far as trying to win every game or winning
one hundred and fifty four percent whatever, I know Mike
Shild's trying to win every game.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
So not as juicy as I was hoping for.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
But I will say that I've heard from other people
and I'm texting one of them right now that you
know this guy I'm texting, by the way, who made
the point earlier about the staff size of the Mariners
versus other teams around baseball, that they just don't have
as many people working for them coaches, support staff, whatever
as other teams do. And let's face it, the Padres
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spend a bunch of money right on their payroll despite
being not a gigantic market obviously, but not you know,
Pittsburgh either. And that's not the first time I've heard
that that the Mariners just don't have as many people
working for them. I was hoping for a little more juiciness,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I was hoping for some more snarkli from Scott.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I was hoping that he would have said serious that question,
and they didn't say that. So I mean maybe in
the end he'll come out with more stuff when it's
all said and done. But I mean the Padres don't
exactly have an incredible history either. I mean, I know
they have a World Series appearance under their belt, but man,
that was was.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
That forty years ago? Eighty four? Leas's time the Padres
made the World Series?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Did they make the World Series? Yeah, and they had
a deep playoff.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I think it was eighty four when they made the
World Series. But trior Fever, Yeah, they don't. They don't
have uh or they do have much bigger staff than
the marriage.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, I mean when it comes to staff size, though,
to me, that seems more like just a preference versus
a budgetary thing, because when you're talking about what is
a what is an extra ten people in staff gonna make,
it's like it doesn't even equal a starting shortstop in baseball.
So it's like, I just think they probably prefer to
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have less staff, not because they're too cheap having less staff.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Ninety eight ninety eight, they made the World Series and
got swept. They made it in eighty four and lost
the World Series four each to one.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I mean, I just think that when we're not
talking about staff members that are making millions.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Of dollars so right, and why not hire them? Then
maybe it must be a preference thing or they're cheap,
but that's why. But if everybody's making just a reasonable
mom and pop salary, it's.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well, I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't know what these guys make, honestly, I mean,
I I mean, do we know what like those support
staff people make. I mean, like and nutritionists and extra
hitting coaches and things. I'm gonna text the person that
told me that, by the way, last year about staff.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He says on the air, I think we know who
it is?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Uh who the person that told me a year ago
that the Mariners don't have his big as staff.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, I know that, I know that we had. It
was Steven on the.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Air said No, this is somebody else, different guys.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Stephen said that on the air.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Stephen did say.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
On the end they have a Yes, he did say
that they have a bigger staff, or that they don't
have his biggest staff.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I don't know why that is. I mean, I I.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The problem with the Mariners and when it comes to
money and things like that. Is they're going to lose
all arguments, right right? Are they doing it because they
just don't want to spend the money. Are they doing
it because they'd rather have a smaller staff? I mean,
I don't know, man. I mean, does Jerry think that
having a smaller staff is really the way to go?
And if he does think that, maybe he should rethink it. Well,
may need more people running around, you know, more ideas
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in the think tank.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm just saying, which which team? Which franchise is cheaper?
A franchise that pays their players one hundred and fifty
million dollars total, but only has fifteen people on staff,
or a team that pays their players one hundred and
forty million dollars but has forty people on staff. I
would argue that what.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
The Padres payroll this year, you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I don't we can pull it up easily enough.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I mean, he's bigger than the Mariners, right too.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Million dollars. They've got three or four sluggers on their team, making.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
A tough They're spending like sixty million more than the
Mariners are, and they have a bigger staff, so they
spend more on payroll.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, when when it comes I'm not
talking about the padres specifically. I'm just talking about you know,
team A versus Team B. I mean, I would say
the bigger staff. Again, ten staff members probably equals us.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, But I don't think that that's the way that
those teams do that, where they look at the payroll
of the team versus the payroll of their coaches and
combine the two.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
They probably have budgets for each of them.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay, I don't know that for a fact, right, but
I would think that that I would hope that's the
way that they do things like can you imagine the
Mariners saying, no, we can't go out and trade for
this picture unless we fire a cook, right, I mean,
it makes no freaking sense to operate like that. But again,
I mean, I just think the Mariners will lose all
the arguments when it comes to stuff like that because
of their history. I mean, you yourself have been you know,
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saying that you know you're disappointed, right, and what their
financial commitments have been, Yes to their payroll when you
thought by this time it'd be more. But if you're
telling me that most teams in baseball. If the Mariners
have a smaller staff compared to everybody or else around
the game, then that's a problem. And I don't know
where they rank. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe
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there's a way to look that up and find out. Okay,
here's how many people this team's got. If they're right
in the middle, okay, fine, But if they're buried deep
dick down below the bottom and they're really light on
the amount of people they have working for them, then
that's an issue.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It could be an issue of it. I mean, it
could also be an issue the other way. It's like
if maybe maybe somebody would go into those other teams
and say, well, wait a second, you've got this guy
doing this, and this guy doing that, and this guy
doing this. You could have one guy doing all three.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Except the problem is the way the Mariners are doing
it isn't working.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So again, if it was working, I would say yes,
And I tend to agree with you in general terms
that the less cooks in the kitchen I think the better,
just in just.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Any walk of life.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Right, it's like four versus Ferrari Jackson. Remember that scene
with Matt Damon where he's in there, and he said,
I saw that envelope pass through that guy's hand, this
guy's hand, that guy's hand, that guy's hand. It probably
had twenty different people before it got up to your office. Right,
So it can be a problem. But if the Mariners
are not doing what everybody else in baseball is doing,
and they're falling behind with their commitments for things like that,
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then that could be, you know, that could.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Be a sign that again, this is why they're where
they're at. I mean, honestly, where are they at?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Because you're by saying that, you're like overall, because you're
saying that, it almost sounds like they're a sixty four
and ninety eight baseball team.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
No, I'm saying they're the only team in the history
of the game currently that's never been to the World Series.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
That's a story.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean, but they've all I mean, but but I think.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They have a shot to be pretty good this year.
But they've played nineteen games.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
But they've been good all that year.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They've been good all decad They've been right all day,
but them good.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
They've made it all.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They've made the playoffs one time, but they've been good
all dec and they've made the playoffs one time. What
is your definition of good?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm the same as I'll steal it from Jerry to Poto,
like one of we're one of We're the only team
that's won eighty five games in a row, four straight
years in a row.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I mean that, don't rip Jerry to Poto for saying
that name.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm just saying, like, I'm just trying.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
To You're trying to what, Dick, what are you trying
to do? Honestly, well, just what are you trying to do?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well? I think you're painting the Mariners as like one
of the five worst franchises in baseball.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Okay, the Athletic just did a poll where they talked
to like forty different people about the best front offices
in baseball. You know where they finished. They were like
twenty eighth in the game. They got like four votes
for the best front office. So when you say, I'm
painting a picture, okay of what They've never made a
World Series, they've made the playoffs one time in the
last twenty five years. I mean, do I think that
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they have a chance at a brighter future? Yes, I do,
of course I do. But like, what are we doing
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Speaker 5 (08:56):
Weren't we supposed to get a copy of his last bock?
Or is that coming down week? Next week? Next week? OK?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Four point oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean I don't I don't get why he has
to wait though, I mean, should there be a five
point oh four.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
Week?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
We explained to us that there's so many guys doing
mocks that he's got to share with. Uh, you know
that it takes you know, you want one out each week?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I don't give it. Damn about those guys that care
about him.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lan Zerline joining us Curtnesy of our friends with the
Queen Anne Beer Hall. Occidental Hall about to open up
there next to Luman, So keep an eye on that
land Zerr line. One week from tonight, big fella, is
the NFL Draft. Are you ready to put this chaos
behind you and move on with the rest of your life?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
I'm more than ready.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
If I could eliminate the four point oh mock, I
would trust me.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah, I don't blame you at all.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, why don't we just kind of sit here and
talk about your latest mock a little bit versus kind
of the difference between what you think teams will do
and what you think teams should do. I know that
dot Com had somebody, I think it was Adam Rank
did did a kind of a feature on that. How
much of your is about that versus kind of what
you think teams should do versus what they will do.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
No, it's almost all what they will do.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
I mean I I obviously I'm a little bit tainted
when it comes to player A versus player B. I
try to think like the teams do. But you don't
know teams boards, so you know, you kind of default
to your own board A little bit of how you
see players. But I always try to I try to
make a decision based on how I think that you
know the team, would you know the team would do it?
(10:27):
So that's that's basically it. I mean, I once again
to mocks three and four. I'm trying to get them
as accurate as possible. So to do that, you have
to really try to think like the teams.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You have to think about the you know, the players that.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
Are uh you have to look at contracts that are
expiring the next year, potential cap cuts the next year,
guys who are going to be free agents who may
not you know, may not make it to the to
the to the next seasons. Because good teams draft behind
those players. They don't wait until they're desperate. So you know,
in that way, I try to think like the teams.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, I'm gonna ask you to think like the New
York Giants are thinking right now. And I want to
know why they're having a workout in Boulder. Is it
because they like Shador Sanders and are considering Shador Sanders
or they're pretending to like Shador Sanders so someone moves
up to get him and they can trade down.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Yeah, I think they're looking for the second round on it.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Honestly, I mean you're looking at him as a player,
you know, I really look as the third pick. I mean,
no one's I don't see anyone trading up for Shador.
I think they know that right now there's really not
a market for Shad or Sanders in terms of a
trade up.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
So that would I.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Mean, frankly, that would be silly to think you're gonna
game it. I think they legitimately wanted They want to
see him again. They want to know what he looks like. Remember,
they got an early pick in the second round. There's
a potential to trade up from the first round, from
the second round into the first round. The shoud or
falls you want to be ready, is that the great
guy you want in the second round? From what I understand,
I think they're having workouts with Tyler Shuckin and uh
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I think maybe Jackson Dartis well, they're you know, they're
having some workouts with other quarterbacks as well, not just
not just Shud or Sanders. So I think the Giants
really want to right now fine tune the process on
who they want to target with that you know, early
pick in the second round, and when I say that obviously,
at any point the Hawks could trade out of the
first I mean, it wouldn't be the first.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Time Schneider did that.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
I don't see it this year, but I think Minnesota
Vikings only have like four picks. They really need draft picks.
I could see them trading back and out of the
first round. So I think the Giants right now just
want to really fine tune their draft board from a
quarterback standpoint, and then once the draft comes, they'll they'll
take a look at the flow of the draft, how
it's going, and then they'll make a decision about whether
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or not they want to take.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
H Did we just lose Lance by the way, or
is he still there?
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Quarterback? That's I think that's what it's about.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Got him all right?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Lan Zerline with us NFL dot Com courtesy at Queen
Anne Beer Hall, Maspe Hall in Kirkland and coming soon
the brand new Occidental Hall near looming Field. So Lance said,
Dick and I were talking with Jackson the your day
about Jalen Milroe because the Hawks had him in camp
or at the VMAT a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
How much will do you think?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And I was talking to Hugh about this off the
year apparently he made the same point as well. Great
minds thinking like, I guess how much will the failure
at least in year one of Anthony Richardson to suade
teams from taking Jalen Milroe high in this year's draft, because,
for example, I'm of the opinion that Kyler Murray was
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helped greatly by Russell Wilson that without Russell Wilson having
his career, I don't think Kyler Murray ever goes number one.
Does it work the opposite way where a guy like
Anthony Richardson may talk some teams out of going after
Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
And that's actually a really good point.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
I think you make a good point because I'm also
of the mind that certain quarterbacks beget other quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I think when you have a.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Player that has done well that is similar in size
or type, it leads you, whether it's subconsciously or concient,
you know, to believe that there's potential success, like there's.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Something that you don't need to be afraid of.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
By the way, I think Baker Mayfield, who was drafted
the year before Kyler Murray, also helped because Baker had
a good he had a good, a good rookie season,
and he came out of Oklahoma offense, and that's where
Kyler Murray came out of. So I think he was
really helped as well, although you know, obviously Russell Wilson
was much more mobile.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
I don't I don't look at personally. I mean, the
tape is not good on Jaln Milroe. I don't you know.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
If I don't think Anthony Richardson's play has anything to
do with Milroe. You look at Milroe and and I
think the tape says he should be a third or
fourth rounder. The fact that he's going to potentially go
into second round to me as wild because the tape
is not even close to being that.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
So I think what it speaks to.
Speaker 8 (14:47):
So, no, I don't think I think the Anthony Richardson
is I think that stuff is completely different than Milroe.
When you look at Milroe and you're looking at a
player that reminds me of Slash.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
When when Cordell Stewart came out, I mean it's and
comp on him. People come.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
The size of like the run and Chase Will linebacker,
he has.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Jackson him down. All right, Yeah, when do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know how much that drives me nuts, by the way,
and I hope it drives everybody nuts.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Okay, I think it drives you more.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Nuts than it drives other Well, I mean, it's just
I don't know. When you can't hear somebody, that's kind
of hard to do a radio show. It's like rule
number one. But you know, it's interesting hearing his thoughts
on Milroe. He says, the tape shows a third or
fourth rounder. Because the debate that you and I were
having the other day, I agree with you, I think
somebody will take him higher. I don't think they should,
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but I also agree with you that just like the
Colts and Anthony Richardson, and just like the Broncos and
Tim Tebow, somebody will fall in love with the potential
for him and just go bananas. And I'll tell you
a team that might honestly want to think about taking
a kid like Jalen Milroe, uh is Kansas City. I mean,
can you can you imagine using him in those short
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yardage situations and not having to use Patrick Mahomes like that?
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I mean, you got a lot of what you need already.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Obviously they do have some holes, But how about a
weapon like that being added.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
To the Chiefs roster.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well that's the thing. And Lance, I mean, I got
I get made fun of by these guys a lot.
But I got panned the other day by even considering
that the Seahawks should sniff at Jaylen Milroe in the
second round. Just be I am fascinated by nearly unprecedented
measurables that this guy has. Is he coachable? Could a
good coaching staff in two years turn him into a
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reasonable passer that has unbelievable athleticism and speed?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I don't, I.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
Don't, So it's a reasonable NFL. He's just not a
good enough field reader. He has not natural received but
got broke up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
But all right, we're gonna let Jack, So let's go
with this. Let Lance go sorry about that. We will
try to rectify the situation. Uh, those freaking Gerbils man,
they keep striking. I thought I thought we reached a
deal with the Gerbil Committee. I thought we were dumb,
and I thought the new CBA was there striking, sealed
and delivered. Well, they can't go on striking, fire them all.
Let's get some hamsters in here. I've got some guinea pigs.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
In here.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But I think there's a couple of real fascinating angles
on this draft.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
The Milroe one is one of them.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And the cool thing about the Millroe deal is it
doesn't even need to be like a first round like,
oh my god, well we wake up on Friday. I
don't think we think he's gonna go first round on Thursday.
But when we wake up on Friday, are we going
to see him go second round? Well, he'd be high
second round. How about if Schador is still sitting there?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Is he going to the draft? By the way, Sanders,
I don't think he is. Is Milroe with the draft?
Did I hear that Milroe was going there?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Which is weird to me?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Right?
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
If there and this is a but he must know something?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Well, well, the.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
NFL has to know something, right Like why would they
want to invite him if they think there's no shot
at him going in the first round. I guess that'd
be a better question for Lan answer, maybe even Hugh
Tomorrow on the radio show. But I would think the
last thing the NFL wants to do is create a
vision of a kid sitting there right at the end
of the draft and having to go home and come
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back on Friday.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Does the NFL want that, I don't think they want that.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I don't think they do either. I'm wondering though, if
it's just because he's a quarterback, because Jackson Dart's going
to be in the green room as well, and you know,
there's a chance that Jackson Dart doesn't go until the
late second round either. Now, he could go with the
I've seen some mocks with Dart in.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
The early seconds.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
NFL dot coms got one in the late.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
First CBS has him going thirty four to the Giants,
which that'd be a hell of a pick by them
to get Carter and then Jackson Darts would be amazing
if Travis Hunter goes to the Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So and I think just having because this is a
draft that doesn't have a ton of household names that
I think having guys that most people know, now Jackson Dart,
Jalen Milroe in the green room, you know, provide some
interest to the viewer.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Up.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, well, Lance, Lance just wrote back, and we're gonna
try to get him on with you guys tomorrow, okay
on the radio show. Gee, he says, by the way, Jackson,
how about this, You'll love this? This is really inside
information for radio junkies out there. Uh just was informed
that he has a comerce unit that he can connect to.
Oh perfect, I know that doesn't mean much to people,
but it means a much better connection, is what it means.
(19:22):
So we'll work on that and see if we can
get him on tomorrow with with Dick and here I'm
taking tomorrow off head down to LA but we'll get
We'll get Lance on tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
But the Shador thing is interesting. I mentioned the.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Adam Rank article for NFL dot com where he kind
of redid the draft, which is really fun based on
where or what he thinks team should do. And he's
got the Jacksonville Jaguars taking Tyler Warren at number five,
and this year's draft just thinks he's gonna be a
freaking star in the NFL. And if he's gonna be
the next George Kittle or the next Travis Kelcey or
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even maybe a better version Dick of those guys, why
wouldn't you take him at number five?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He is my number one pick this year on can't
lose prospects, and I've honestly I've gone three. Dude, did
Pitts go in the twenty three draft.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Of the twenty two, I think he was two years
ago or three years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I can't because and maybe it's just a tight end thing,
but I think for three years in a row, I've
had tight ends. Is my can't miss. Brock Bauers was
my can't miss last year that turned out good. Kyle
Pitts did not turn out very well. Although I wouldn't
call Kyle Pitts a complete bust, but he's not been
very good. I think Tyler Warren is like the safest
pick in the first round. I just don't see how
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a team finds a way for this guy to be
a star at that position.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, look, I mean you look at players like Bryce
Young especially have you seen the Panthers receiving room.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Their best receiver is Adam Thiel and he's thirty five
years old. I mean, it's that's like stupid. It is well,
and it kind of actually like to me, and I
don't know what you guys think about it, but it
almost like so when people last year around baseball, we're
almost getting angry at the Mariners for not doing enough
to take advantage of the pitching staff and by the way. Yeah,
this is pits his third year. He was drafted in
twenty twenty three. He's got a two hundred catches, by
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the way.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's why he's not a bust. He's just not worth
where they took him.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, may be wrong about the years, by the way,
but I'm all messed up here with my internet anyway.
The point is is that I think people look at
like a team like Carolina and they see them drafting
Bryce Young, and then they ask him, well, what.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Did you do to help the guy?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Did you get him any weapons? You get him an
offensive line, did you get him a running back? Did
you get him some wide receivers? And the names on
the Carolina roster that are playing wide receiver for them
is embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
By the way, We're both way off. This is gonna
be Coyles fifty or now in the NFL way.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Really, I think he was drafted in twenty twenty one,
so sorry about that, but that that really is what
kind of gets me is when you look at all
these teams and they draft these guys high and then
don't give them any help at all. It's why I'm
such a fan of just getting the quarterback last when
everything else done.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, because then you can fall into a situation like
rusted right, where everything is around where everything's around him,
and it never works. I'm trying to think of a
situation where it has worked over the last ten years
where a quarterback was drafted high in the first round
and they went to a disaster and it worked. I mean,
Trevor Lawrence was the can't miss of can't misses the
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last decade, but he went to such a horrendous situation. Yeah,
there's fifteen places I believe at least that Trevor Lawrence
could have gone to and he'd be an all pro.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right now, Well, you know what Hugh thinks about Daniel Jones.
He thinks the same thing that if Daniel Jones had
gone somewhere else that, you know, maybe he would have
been a much better quarterback than what he turned out
to be with the Giants. But yeah, I mean it's interesting.
The mill Roe thing is just such a differing opinion
on Jalen Milrow from a lot of people. But I
do think you're right. I think teams are desperate for
playmakers and desperate for side shows and desperate for skills,
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and this guy's got skills, and I think there's gonna
be a team that will take him a little bit
higher than maybe he deserves to go Seahawks again at
eighteen if they stay at eighteen, And one of my
questions for Lance was gonna be how hard is it
going to be for the Seahawks to get out of
that pick? Because I think a lot of teams are
going to be looking to get out. I just don't
know if they'll be able to pull it off, right.
And that's why having having Shedear Sanders sitting there, having
Jackson Dart sitting there, having Tyler Shuck sitting there, there's
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always the guy that goes a lot higher, and people
thinking there's always the guy that falls right. So the
more quarterbacks that are available at number eighteen for the
Seahawks to convince somebody to move up and take, like,
for example, the Giants have the second pick of the
second round, is that right? Yeah, they're picking thirty fourth. Okay,
So let's say the Giants take Carter at number three
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and then you got Shdear Sanders sitting there, or Tyler
Shuck or Jackson Dart sitting there at eighteen.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Are they willing to part.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
With maybe that pick to move back up in the
first round and get the quarterback they're looking for a
To me, that'd be frick fun.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I always think it's smart when when you've got a
situation where some people at some point thought that a
player should go that high in the first round, and
you can get him either low in the first round
or high in the second round. I mean, you're stealing
somebody at that point.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
By the way, speaking to Chador, apparently Dion Sanders spoke
today about the criticism of Shador getting his number retired. Well,
I'm just looking at this one clip on X I
don't have the actual audio here. I guess I can
send to Jackson. We can play it next segment. But
Dion says the one quote that this may be totally
out of context. So I gotta just preface this. If
his last name weren't Sanders, we would not be having
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this discussion, and is exactly right. If his last name
were not Sanders, we would never be having the discussion
about his number getting retired.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Ever, well, isn't that a reason to not retire it
instead of a reason to retirement.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He is saying that if his last name wasn't Sanders,
nobody would be criticizing it. They're only criticizing it because
my gosh, are you serious. I'm pretty saying Jackson, I
gotta get this audio to you. We gotta play this
next because I want I.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Will to hear what Deanna's saying.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So he thinks he thinks that that Joe Brown, yes,
leads Colorado to a what is a thirteen and eleven record,
apparently that he would be and not ever be a
first team All Conference player and he should have his
number retired.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yes, yes, wow, Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Dion's delusional in that sense.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just said it to you, Jack, So let's get
to that and then uh Jodah Coleman, We're gonna hear
from him in the six pm hour as well.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
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Speaker 6 (25:29):
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Speaker 5 (25:49):
Can I just.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, I want to say something about this Twitter account,
but I don't want to give this person any credit whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Don't name the Twitter account though.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's just an ass kissing, stupid ass son of a
bitch who's it's this.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Person and it's not even a person.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Let that one right, Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that tweet. Yeah,
I saw that tweet.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
It's just it's so gross, it's so gross.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
With social media has become, people go online and you
know this, Jackson, and they'll say something completely outrageous and
stupid and ass and I knowing it's just gonna engender
people getting angry and just responding for clicks.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right, Let's say something that I know is stupid. I
know it's stupid, Like I know that I'm wrong. I
know I'm wrong. I know it's dumb. It's stupid. You're
gonna kill me. But the more people kill me, the
more money I'm gonna make. So let's say something stupid.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
If that's not a real person, then how's he making money?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
The account is real, but there's somebody behind it. We
don't know who it is.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Jackson. You probably know the account of talking.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
About he sold the account, so they sold the account
to somebody else.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
So now somebody else runs this thing. It's just so
frickin' but fatic is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh god, well, Deon Sanders today was asked about the
criticism that they are getting for retiring Shadure Sanders number
at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Check us out.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
Let's get the elephant the room. I don't want to
talk about this too long. I'm gonna just talk briefly
and let it go. We talk about should door. We
ain't talking about nobody else. But his last name was Sanders.
We wouldn't have discovered this discussion. The only reason we
were happening in this discussion is his last name is Sanders.
That's it. It's been so many things accomplished at this
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university expeditiously. It's been unbelievable, and I think we should
be appreciative. We should be thankful. We have a room
full of wonderful people that covers us and I don't
I don't know if you all were in this room
two three years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, So this is what I mean when I talk
about Deon Sanders, that I think that too simple truths
can exist. At the same time, that Deon Sanders is
a really good football coach. Is that fair to say? Yes,
he's also at times completely full of crap. And I
think both those things exist, right. I mean, I'm not
gonna deny what Sanders has done as a football coach.
I mean absolutely, I mean he's incredible, right.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
What he's done for.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Colorado has been insane. Good for him, I think is
a very good coach. And I think one day Deon
Sanders probably will be in the NFL as a head
coach in the National Football League, which would go against
the grain of what everybody ever thought was possible that
a guy like Deon Sanders prime time would be looked
to to be a head coach of one of thirty
two teams in the NFL. So he is really he's
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breaking barriers. There is no question Don Sanders is breaking barriers.
But he is also completely full of nonsense at times.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I love a lot of stuff he says.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think he's a great speaker, he's a great communicator.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
A lot of his messages I think are awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
But there are days like this where I look at
him and I just believe that he either a his
head is up his ass or B he thinks our
heads are up our ass, right, and we're gonna believe
whatever he throws at us because he's saying that the
only reason why they're getting criticized is because Chador is
his son. Like if it was anybody else, people would say, oh, yeah,
(29:05):
no problem, retire the number.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
He deserves it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
No, the only reason why we're talking about retiring his
number is because he's your friend.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
If he was anybody else, people there would be no
question that wouldn't retire the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
For sure, the Big twelve Offensive player of the year.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Give him credit, but nobody is talking about retiring his number.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
If his last name is.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Goldblat, well, yeah, I guess if I had to be
the attorney for the retire Chadur's retire Chador side, I
would say, all right. Two years of Colorado, he threw
for sixty four touchdowns and thirteen interceptions with a completion
percentage of seventy two, and he broke the all time
(29:48):
Colorado single season passage passing yardage mark. So could make
an argument. One could make an argument. I wouldn't, but
one could that he is the greatest quarterback in Colorado football.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Then you better retire Jake Browning is number because he
threw from more yards on the right I mean passing
yards or in context with the era of football, that's
exactly okay. So I mean, weren't there like three or
four guys that people that went to Colorado have.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Mentioned that Darren Hagen one of them?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (30:17):
D On Figures?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Is that I mean, isn't isn't he in the Hall
of Fame, the College Football Hall of Fame from from Colorado?
I remember Figures twenty twenty four and he's his number
is not retired.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
So I mean again, you know, look, I mean if yeah,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
If you're right, if our job was to debate that side,
that's why make points that promote Shador Sanders getting his
number retired. Whatever you can pick at, you pick at,
and that would be one of them. And I don't know, man,
I mean it's like, I really want to like d
On a lot.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I think he's great for football. I think what he's
done for the game has been amazing. He's a great figure,
he's entertaining, there's no question about that, absolutely entertaining, great
for sports talk radio. Then you guys just does stuff
like this. I mean, you know, what you say, if
you're Dion, what I would just say and this is
not in his nature obviously, But what I would say
(31:12):
is it, Look, I get it, you know, I get
why people are critical.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
We think he deserves it. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's all. Yeah, I mean to me, I mean, I
really like Dion. I I don't like him as much
as I like Lebron. But there's some similarities. Because that's
a good question. There's some sooner you like more than Lebron.
That really is the question. Oh my wife and kids.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Wow, that's about it. He's that high on on your
food chair gets your guys goat Seattle athletes just so
it's Janna Dixon, Aubrey Lebron.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm not even an Uncle Graham, anybody else.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Why don't you have another baby just so you can
name it Lebron.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But it's funny though, because it reminds me kind of
how much of my liking of Dion Sanders, because I
kind of find myself having to wade through some of
the stupid things that both of them say. It's like,
I like Dion, but God Dion. Why Jeff to say
that I love Lebron, but God Lebron, Why Jeff to
say that? I can understand why people don't like Dion
(32:15):
or don't like Lebron for the for some of the
things that they say, and this is just another one
on that list.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I like, I actually like them both, you know,
But again, I just think that, you know, there's kind
of times where you're.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Like, oh, wow, man, you know, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But you know, I don't know, I just I don't
like when people patronize other people. And I feel like
Deon Sanders is kind of doing that right now, you know.
I feel like the Poto did that a little bit
obviously had some press conferences. You know, when you talk
to people like their freaking idiots and you expect them
to just be sheep, and I think Deon Sanders sometimes
expects that out of people.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I mean, there's consequences for the way that you talk
to people.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And I get so sick and tired of people talking
to other people like they should believe whatever comes out
of their pie hole as the gospel. And I think
sometimes Dion Sanders talks like that. Sometimes Terry de Poto
talks like that. I mean, I don't know if we
can argue who's accomplished more. I mean, Dion Sanders is
maybe the greatest defensive player of all time, and they
accomplished smart as a player. For certain, there's no question
(33:12):
about that. And what he's done at Colorado has been amazing.
But it's too bad that this conversation is actually happening
with Shador.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
I feel like he's kind of caught in the middle.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
And I wonder I don't know anything about what happens
behind the scenes with the father and the son and
the family, But like, who wanted this? Did Shador want this?
Did Dion want this? Can imagine want embarrassed by this?
Is he that cocky where he thinks he deserves it?
Is he that arrogant where he thinks he deserves it?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
You know, college kid goes to the brass at the
school and say, you know, I really think my numbers
should be retired. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Maybe one that's growing up with his asks his entire life,
maybe as a.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Silver spoon up has took us. I mean, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean, I feel bad I shouldn't say that because
I have no idea what kind of kid.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He is, well, he seems to be. I mean, there's
no reports of Shador Sanders being a bad leader, right
not like, there's no like if if Shador was a
complete ass and his team didn't like it, you better
believe we'd know that.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, there's there's some social media stuff he's done and
some of the antics on the field, right, and maybe
he'll grow out of that, and maybe that's just kind
of part of being Dion's kidding. I would think it's
virtually impossible to be the son of Deon Sanders Dick
and not be a little bit cocky.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Absolutely, well, you've been trained to be cocky because Dion.
Dion thrived on his cockiness, and I honestly believe Dion
partially was as great as he was because he was
so questioned. Some people feed on that cockiness, and he
was like, yeah, Richard, he taught his son to be
like that.
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