August 30, 2024 • 27 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Jerry Brewer about the Colorado football program, the new-look Huskies, and Mariners changes, then they review two ongoing contests plus discuss the future of Mariners President Jerry Dipoto.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
I love Eric, Eric over there at Northwest Handling Systems
for sponsoring the Jerry Brewer segment with us on the
radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But apparently this is the last one for a while,
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Well, but the good news is I talked to Eric
Eric Eric, and he liked the segment so much that
you know, once next spring and summer come around, that
he'd be happy to have Jerry. I thought, I thought
Jerry was just getting tired of talking to us. Well, man,
it's up to Jared. It's a two way street, man.
Jerry doesn't have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Jerry are you in next year and we got to
slash your pay by eighty percent.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Are you gonna buy me drinks?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'll do whatever you want back, all right, whatever makes
you happy. I'm a fan Jerry Brewers with us. It's
been a while for at least me was out last week.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But dude, we got to talk to you about Deon
Sanders in Colorado because we're sitting there watching that game.
I'm home watching the game in the fourth quarter, thinking,
oh my god, if they lose this game, he will
never hear the end of it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Ever.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Ever, Ever, if they lose this game, there's a mistargeting
call that would have given the Bison an extra fifteen.
Then the guy throws a forty nine yard pass when
he needed a fifty three yard pass to win the game.
So the extra fifteen would have helped them out. But
what do you make of just the entire circus around
Colorado right now?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Man? Yeah, I really thought they were going to lose
that game. Defensively, it doesn't look like they're any better, no,
I mean, we've seen what North Dakota State is, what
now nine and five when they play a level up,
So it seemed to me like the kind of game
that they could lose, So I was kind of impressed,
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especially coming out of halftime, that they were able to
win that game. But yeah, it would have been a
disaster for Prime. I don't think much of that Colorado team.
Maybe maybe six and six, maybe seven and five if
they got lucky, But it seems like the Big twelve
is going to be pretty balanced, So yeah, I don't
There was a time when I thought maybe he could
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have an eight or nine wins in year two, but
I just don't see it.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Jerry dogs start tomorrow. There's not a lot of buzz
for it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And you know, I've actually underestimated what the Huskies were
going to do. Each of the last two years. They've
actually been better than I thought they were going to be.
So I don't think I'm underestimating here by saying I
think that they could be a good team. They could
push eight wins this year if all goes right. I
think they're being slept on. What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I honestly don't know. I mean, we haven't seen this
combination of guys together, so I don't know what it's
going to look like. I mean, I have a pretty
good sense of what kind of coach Jed fish Is,
and I like it. I think he's going to be
good for the program. But I don't know if it's
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going to be one year and you immediately make your mark,
or if it's going to be one year that he
needs to establish some things and year two is going
to be better. They're a mystery to me. I'm really
eager if I can possibly watch that game so now
on Comcast. I mean, maybe I'll have to to go
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and watch it, but I'm really eager to see how
they look. Depending on how they look, I mean, I
see a route to four and O if not five
and oh before they play Michigan, and then if they're
in that boat, yeah, then I could see an eight
win season. But I mean, the schedule is just so
so backloaded. Uh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what
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to expect that. I think that they in terms of
offensive productivity passing the ball, there's enough wide receiver talent,
and obviously we know what Will Rogers numbers are. I
see a team that could be productive, but I just
I don't know anybody on their offensive line, which even
the time I was in DC, like I at least
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knew a couple of guys on the on the Husky
offensive line. I know none of these guys. I mean,
if you gave me it too deep right now, and
it was like people who worked at the station versus
people who are on the Husky's offensive line, I'm not
sure I would get any of them right.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Wow, that's a great contest, by the way, KJR employee
or UDUB offensive lineman. And we'll just give you a
random name, and you've got to tell us what they
do for a living, if they're a kJ are or
they play for the dogs. But Jerry, if you want
to go to the game, we got you covered tickets
on the on the venue. Kings are three bucks to
get in the door right now, and you kings that come, yeah,
we can we can handle that for you. So just
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let me know you want to come by. But I
know you're on with Dick last Friday. I have not
spoken to you since Scott's service got fired. And then
the word comes out that Dan Wilson is the full
time guy. I'm sure you and Dick discussed that last
week on the radio show. God I forgot to ask
him all about It's just typical, man that you forget
to bring that up. But what do you what do
you make of the way the team has responded? I
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mean four and two, but man, they're sitting there four
games out and it just kind of feels like not
much has really changed.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
What do you make of the week that was?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, I'm not sure that a lot has really changed.
I mean, I like what what Dan Wilson has been
able to do so far? Is it going to be enough?
I don't know. I mean, are they are they hitting better?
I don't know? You know, I mean there's still a
lot of a lot that has to come together, like now,
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like this week for them to make that's one last push,
uh for for a playoff spot. I'm not sure that
they're capable of doing that, but I did. I think
there's a calm about them that I didn't expect to see,
uh with with with Wilson as the manager, it definitely
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doesn't feel like there's a substitute teacher in class. And
so I'd like to see them, especially with the schedule
a little bit lighter on this road road swen see
them make a run? Maybe can they? Can? They win
five of the seven games that could? They is asking
this team to win six of the seven too much.
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I mean, that's what it's going to take in order
for them to feel like they'd have a legitimate shot
down stretch.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Jerry. When you start to lose the media, uh, then
you're in real trouble. And it seems like Jerry to
Poto and certainly ownership is starting to lose the medium
and Danny O'Neill just torched them in the Tacoma News Tribune.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Towards the Poto Danny's Crazy Children.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Joe Sheian went off on ownership on our station this week.
I mean, is this is this repairable for Jerry Depoto
at least public image wise?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Can he get the fans and the media back?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah? I mean if you have like an amazing offseason,
but like before you before you even got to that point,
you're gonna have to face the media and do a
post mortem on the season and will it be better
than last year? Fifty four percent? Before he even gets
to that, I think you still have this existential question
that only ownership can answer, Only John Stanton can answer
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as to is this good enough to continue on down
this road or do we need to make a change.
And if we make a change, am I going to
equip someone who is a finisher with the resources that
they could finish this team and make them a team
that we expect to win ninety five games year out
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for as long as his window was open. I don't
know like that. There's there's a lot of, uh, you know,
significant questions that that people have to ask themselves before
we even think about Jerry to Poto. If I were
the owner, I would have more desire to win than
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to continue down this road. If I were owning the team,
I would make a change because I just I think
that there is something fundamentally missing. Unless unless behind the scenes,
Jerry Depoto has been told no a thousand times on
spending money. Let's assume that that's not the case. If
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that's not the case, I think there's just something fundamentally
missing that makes me question whether he is the guy
that's going to get me to the mountaintop. And I
don't want to win eighty something games every year. I
want to try to get to the mountaintop, even if
that means that I fail and we have to rebuild
this thing in three or four years.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I just don't know if that passion exists Jerry.
To be honest, with you, I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It exists in Philadelphia with John Middleton. I can tell
you that. I mean you've read comments from him. It's
I mean, that guy, good God blessed Philadelphia getting that
cat as their owner. But you know, people will defend
John Stanton, they'll defend the ownership, and that's fine. But
I guess I would just ask, then, why are the
Mariners the only team in baseball that have never played
in the World Series? I mean, John Stanton's been a
part of this ownership group as a partner limited whatever
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it may be, for decades now, right, I mean, why
are they the only team in baseball two have never
played in the World Series.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Well, for long stretches they haven't had a clue, and
then when they have had a clue, they haven't been
able to maximize their win death. And I think Dick
has probably heard this a million times, and when we've
talked about this, going back to when I was early
on in Seattle, I just believe that every decade you've
got won maybe two chances, and if you mess around
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and you missed that window, then you're going to have
to like recast it. And I just think every time
they've got an opportunity like they have now, they've just
messed it up. And that's why I'm just a big
believer in everybody wants to like not go for it,
but still make the world serious, still win a championship.
Like I want to see them go for it, Like say,
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I believe enough in this ball club. And really we're
talking about half a team that you got to fix.
And if you've got the stomach to do it, you
could go out and you could put together spending money,
making trades, maybe mortgaging some of your future to put
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together a lineup that would be worthy of the starting
rotation and the bullpen that you have. And if you
did that, you would have your opportunity. It doesn't guarantee
anything in baseball, and it's so hard to get there,
but you got to give yourself the best possible chance.
And this whole like we want to just like have
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more darts. I don't care how many darts they have.
I want to dart throwers. I want somebody who can
hit the bulls eye and somebody who has confidence in
throwing that dart. And I just don't feel like they
have that confidence. It never seems like they fully believe
in what they're doing. When they're on the right path,
they don't go far enough, and then when they miss
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their window, we know how hard it is for them
to get up off the mat.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Well, this year they finally threw some darts.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, this is as active as they've ever been,
because the team came out and got out to a
lead in the division. And I kind of blame a
lot of it on the slow starts that Scott got
this team off into in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty three,
because Jerry said, and I'm just gonna defend Jerry for
a second here, not that I'm defending him wholeheartedly, but
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you know, Jerry saw this team being a five hundred
ish team at the trade deadline, five six, seven games
out of first place at the trade deadline. Because of
where how they played in April, May and June the
last few years, I think those slow starts really prevented
him from going out. Now, having said that, Jerry messed up.
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He misread how good the team actually was in those
in those times, so that I think was the window
right Jerry the last two two three years.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean I never bought into to this team,
and even with all the activity that they had this
pass offseason, I never looked at this as like, oh,
this is the best roster that they've had. I looked
at it and I said, I got questions about Luke Rayley,
Who the hell is Josh Rojas, you know for the
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long stretch of the season. Mitch Garver, Oh, you know,
he will he stay healthy if he's healthy, Like he's
the guy who's always in his career have been prone
to slow starts. What happens if you get off to
a slow start here where it really gets in your head,
Like there was a lot of questions that I had
Polanco with an injury concern coming in. He's been relatively
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healthy ish this year, but he got off to such
a terrible start. I looked at that entire situation and
I said, you know, they're still missing like three bats,
and they didn't get somebody who could just carry you
for weeks at a time, And so I didn't never
looked at it as like they got a good shot.
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I looked at it as like they still got to
play darn near perfect baseball every week for them to
be in this thing. And then I mean, miraculously they
got off to a ten game lead because everyone else
in the vision was terrible. But the minute that the
Astros get it together, that thing evaporated so quickly. So
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I still don't look at them as having in this
window like we're talking like four years that they've been
good or good ish. I still don't look at a
time when I said, you know what, that team went
for it, that team truly believed that they could do
some damage. It's always been typto in to kill out.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, well, the Astros would be second or third in
every other division.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
In baseball if not for the West.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
So we're not talking about losing this thing to an
elite ball club. And I mean, we'll talk about this
next segment, Jerry, after your interview's over. But I just
there's a video I showed last week on Twitter where
Bob Knight is doing an interview with somebody. He's just calm,
he's calm, he's calm, he's calm, and all of a sudden,
he goes from zero to sixty and just snaps on
the air. He just starts to drop an F bombs
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and pulls his mic off and throws it across the
room and blah, blah blah, get the hell out of here.
And I'm just having these emotions right now hearing you
guys talk about all of this, because the talk of well,
the talk about a window in baseball is absolute nonsense.
There's no window in baseball because there's no salary cap.
You can do whatever you want. If you get rid
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of Logan Gilbert and George Kirby because you can't develop
hitting or you don't want to pay for hitting, that's
a decision that you're making as long as you have
these guys under contract, and you do. Cal Rowley's going nowhere,
George Kirby's going nowhere, Logan Gilbert's going nowhere, Bryce Miller's
going nowhere. Brian wu Castillo has got three years jp
two years in, Julio's got like a decade. There's no
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reason why any window for anybody should be changing unless
they let And that's what pisces me off.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
No, that's that's an excellent point, softy. And they act
like they have all the time in the world as well,
right like they act like they know that at worst
they have club control over those starters. They can keep
this entire rotation and attack for three more years. And
you can keep eighty percent of an attack for like
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five more years. Like they know this, they act that way.
But I would say this in terms of windows, like
there's no guarantee that you know, four of those five
starters have stayed remarkably healthy all year, with WU being
the only one who's been out quite a bit. There's
no guarantee next year, the year after next that those
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guys are all going to have ideal health like they've had.
There's no guarantee that I mean, they wear out. Kyle Raley,
he's one of the most to me, he's one of
the most valuable players in baseball because there's a catcher
as much as he is behind the plate and as
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durable as he's been because they really don't they really
don't have a reliable backup catcher, which is which is
really funny to me. But he's just able to answer
the bell day in and day out. He strikes out
too much. We get that, we wish his average would
be better than two eleven or whatever it is right now,
we get that, but a very valuable player and just
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the way that he handles the rotation he's I mean,
either guys are gonna make one hundred and fifty one
hundred and seventy five million dollars on his next contract.
Hope they can summit that with Scott Boris, because that's
what it's going to take. He's that valuable of a player.
So but when as much as they have worn on him,
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can you depend on him as he gets older? Like
you just don't know, right, Like Julio is going to
be way better hopefully moving forward as anyone else in
this lineup who can help support him. Right that he's
been this year. I think that was just a weird
set of circumstances this year, and he'll be so much
better next year. But even though you've got it set
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up where you've done a lot of the hard work,
you still got to act each season with urgency. And
there was that time when you know, you look at
the numbers. Now, it's kind of funny, guys, because I
look at the numbers of the rotation and they are
way worse than it was when I left for Europe,
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And like, you know, it's summer and everything caught up.
But like, still as a whole, they pitched well, but
there was a time when they were utterly dominant where
the Mariners, if they had had just a functional offense,
would have had a win percentage well into the six hundred,
and then when summer hit, the offense could have picked
up some of the slack and it wouldn't matter. But instead,
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I look at this rotation now, and I see all
these guys, and I look at their record, which is
forget about just the individual pitching record. It's just how
your team has performed versus how your pitching staff has performed.
And none of these guys have gotten in terms of
victories and all this what they deserve and what they've
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put out there, and that just shows how incomplete of
a team it is. And so yeah, when we talk
about windows, like on one hand, softly, yeah, it's wide open.
And I think that's why I would make a move
and bring in someone who sees things ditly to be
the lead of baseball operations, because you can fix this
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and just continue down a good path, and you can
build on the stability that they've established, which is incredibly valuable.
But yet I still look at it and I think
they they have messed up what should have been two
playoff appearances, two shots. No doubt in that world, no
doubt well, I just just don't get those back easily.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And yes, agreed.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well the Texas Rangers went from sixty eight wins to
ninety because they forced open a window and they won
the World Series. Okay, so all right, Jerry, listen, great stuff.
I'm getting yelled at by Jackson to break and nobody
ever wants that. Let's let's have you one again very soon,
and we'll try and quadruple your pay the next time.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, I have tanks, man, I promise you.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
All right, sounds great, you bet?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Jerry Brewer with us.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Just come back and to discussing bout that next on
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Speaker 1 (19:55):
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Speaker 2 (20:10):
Alright it, boys and girls, we got you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
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Speaker 3 (20:36):
I have a theory on stuff like this, And I
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Speaker 6 (20:49):
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Best breakfast sandwich I've ever had. What happened to Diane's Subs?
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So Jerry Depoto, you know, the the latest to Jerry Depoto,
Jerry Brewer the latest to kind of join the chorus.
I mean mean, you brought up a good question and
I'm trying to remember the exact way you phrased it
about if Jerry can recover from this right, meaning the
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animosity from the fan base. Does John Stanton look at
him and go, dude, man, what are you doing? You
got this fabulous pitching staff and you can't even build
me an offense for crying out loud. I would say
a lot of that's on the owner, there's no question.
But how many moves did Jerry make over the offseason?
You got Mitch Carver, you got Mitch Hanniger, you got
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Luke Rayley, he got Hori Polonko, and then he went
out and got a Rose Arena Justin Turner, Right, am
I missing anybody?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Edios? Right?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So that's like seven guys and they've all been turns,
every single one, every single one. So let's say two
of those guys work. Let's say three of those guys
work in first place totally.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
So if you're.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
John Stanton, yeah, I don't want to let him off
the hook, But that's a different conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I'm just tann. I'm thinking that you're ch I gave you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I mean, you went out and you brought in seven
brand new hitters and none of them have hit. If
two of them hit, were in first place, and nobody's
busting our balls like they are.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Exactly right, that's exactly right. And John Stanton, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Quote unquote opened up his pocketbooks with six million dollars
at the trade deadline to get Randy Rose Areno.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Try not to laugh.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
That's why I said, quote unquote, you know, but it
is a it's a failure by de Poto to get
the right guys more so in my opinion than it's
a failure for unless unless you're telling me john Stanton said,
you had no money, no money in the offseason, can't
get anybody. And he just literally had to make chicken
salad out chicken crap. I mean he hasked to pay Polanco,
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gotta pay Garver. I mean that's John Stanton's money had
to pay with. He just he just got the wrong
guys that John Stanton's paying for.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, and look, I think this all comes down to
the root causes the ownership group, the root causes the
failure to address any of this the last couple of
years in ignoring free agency. And then you know, look
they went out and they got patches. As you've said,
they got guys that aren't every day starters. They got
guys with injury histories, they got guys with suspension histories,
blah blah blah blah blah. So maybe part of that is, Hey,
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if you're Jerry and John Stanton is giving you a
limited amount of paint to work with, how can you
put together this Picasso if he's not gonna give you
everything you need to make it happen. So I see
that side too. I guess the point is here, Dick.
For me, nobody's immune. Nobody's immune from criticism. Nobody's immune
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when you have this kind of pitching staff and you
waste it. And look, I agree with what Jerry's talking
about with the window and all that stuff. I know
I went a little nuts last segment because windows are
created by owners. I mean, the Rangers went out and
won sixty eight games, got a bunch of guys one
ninety one the World Series, so they jacked open. They
forced open a window with the way they approached free agency.
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The Mariners can do the exact same thing. The problem
I have is that I know them, You know them,
everybody knows them. The window in reality, like is closing
because of the way they operate. This idea of trading
Logan Gilbert Away for offense ridiculous. Yeah, George Kirby for
offense ridiculous. So you're going to close your own window
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because you are closing it on purpose because you're getting
rid of these guys because you're too cheap to pay
for bats and you can develop offense. So I know them,
I know how they operate, and I'm very fearful that
I think you mentioned something with Jerry like is this
was this their best opportunity?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I think in reality, knowing the way the Mariner ownership operates,
this was their best opportunity.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, I'm I mean, I'm not gonna tar and feather
him for something that hasn't happened yet, and your fear.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Might come true, but they go to the World Series
apologize profusely.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about what you just
said about trading Logan Gilbert and you know, you know
Robin Peter to pay Paul that that sort of thing.
I just think their focus is too much on being
competitive for a long period of time than it is
being a championship caliber team, because there's two different windows.
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There's a window of competitiveness, and I think that windows
open for a long period of time, and I think
they're going to make sure it's open for a long
period of time. But the window for a championship, especially
if you're a team that's not going to spend two
hundred and fifty million dollars, is you got to strike
when your pitchers are making no money, and they're only
making no money right now.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It's going to change next year.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Man, all right, we're gonna break textimonials four nine, four
to five, one.
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
But apparently this is the last one for a while,
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Well, but the good news is I talked to Eric
Eric Eric, and he liked the segment so much that
you know, once next spring and summer come around, that
he'd be happy to have Jerry. I thought, I thought
Jerry was just getting tired of talking to us. Well, man,
it's up to Jared. It's a two way street, man.
Jerry doesn't have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Jerry are you in next year and we got to
slash your pay by eighty percent.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Are you gonna buy me drinks?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'll do whatever you want back, all right, whatever makes
you happy. I'm a fan Jerry Brewers with us. It's
been a while for at least me was out last week.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But dude, we got to talk to you about Deon
Sanders in Colorado because we're sitting there watching that game.
I'm home watching the game in the fourth quarter, thinking,
oh my god, if they lose this game, he will
never hear the end of it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Ever.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Ever, Ever, if they lose this game, there's a mistargeting
call that would have given the Bison an extra fifteen.
Then the guy throws a forty nine yard pass when
he needed a fifty three yard pass to win the game.
So the extra fifteen would have helped them out. But
what do you make of just the entire circus around
Colorado right now?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Man? Yeah, I really thought they were going to lose
that game. Defensively, it doesn't look like they're any better, no,
I mean, we've seen what North Dakota State is, what
now nine and five when they play a level up,
So it seemed to me like the kind of game
that they could lose, So I was kind of impressed,
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especially coming out of halftime, that they were able to
win that game. But yeah, it would have been a
disaster for Prime. I don't think much of that Colorado team.
Maybe maybe six and six, maybe seven and five if
they got lucky, But it seems like the Big twelve
is going to be pretty balanced, So yeah, I don't
There was a time when I thought maybe he could
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have an eight or nine wins in year two, but
I just don't see it.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Jerry dogs start tomorrow. There's not a lot of buzz
for it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And you know, I've actually underestimated what the Huskies were
going to do. Each of the last two years. They've
actually been better than I thought they were going to be.
So I don't think I'm underestimating here by saying I
think that they could be a good team. They could
push eight wins this year if all goes right. I
think they're being slept on. What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I honestly don't know. I mean, we haven't seen this
combination of guys together, so I don't know what it's
going to look like. I mean, I have a pretty
good sense of what kind of coach Jed fish Is,
and I like it. I think he's going to be
good for the program. But I don't know if it's
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going to be one year and you immediately make your mark,
or if it's going to be one year that he
needs to establish some things and year two is going
to be better. They're a mystery to me. I'm really
eager if I can possibly watch that game so now
on Comcast. I mean, maybe I'll have to to go
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and watch it, but I'm really eager to see how
they look. Depending on how they look, I mean, I
see a route to four and O if not five
and oh before they play Michigan, and then if they're
in that boat, yeah, then I could see an eight
win season. But I mean, the schedule is just so
so backloaded. Uh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what
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to expect that. I think that they in terms of
offensive productivity passing the ball, there's enough wide receiver talent,
and obviously we know what Will Rogers numbers are. I
see a team that could be productive, but I just
I don't know anybody on their offensive line, which even
the time I was in DC, like I at least
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knew a couple of guys on the on the Husky
offensive line. I know none of these guys. I mean,
if you gave me it too deep right now, and
it was like people who worked at the station versus
people who are on the Husky's offensive line, I'm not
sure I would get any of them right.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Wow, that's a great contest, by the way, KJR employee
or UDUB offensive lineman. And we'll just give you a
random name, and you've got to tell us what they
do for a living, if they're a kJ are or
they play for the dogs. But Jerry, if you want
to go to the game, we got you covered tickets
on the on the venue. Kings are three bucks to
get in the door right now, and you kings that come, yeah,
we can we can handle that for you. So just
(05:03):
let me know you want to come by. But I
know you're on with Dick last Friday. I have not
spoken to you since Scott's service got fired. And then
the word comes out that Dan Wilson is the full
time guy. I'm sure you and Dick discussed that last
week on the radio show. God I forgot to ask
him all about It's just typical, man that you forget
to bring that up. But what do you what do
you make of the way the team has responded? I
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mean four and two, but man, they're sitting there four
games out and it just kind of feels like not
much has really changed.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
What do you make of the week that was?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, I'm not sure that a lot has really changed.
I mean, I like what what Dan Wilson has been
able to do so far? Is it going to be enough?
I don't know. I mean, are they are they hitting better?
I don't know? You know, I mean there's still a
lot of a lot that has to come together, like now,
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like this week for them to make that's one last push,
uh for for a playoff spot. I'm not sure that
they're capable of doing that, but I did. I think
there's a calm about them that I didn't expect to see,
uh with with with Wilson as the manager, it definitely
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doesn't feel like there's a substitute teacher in class. And
so I'd like to see them, especially with the schedule
a little bit lighter on this road road swen see
them make a run? Maybe can they? Can? They win
five of the seven games that could? They is asking
this team to win six of the seven too much.
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I mean, that's what it's going to take in order
for them to feel like they'd have a legitimate shot
down stretch.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Jerry. When you start to lose the media, uh, then
you're in real trouble. And it seems like Jerry to
Poto and certainly ownership is starting to lose the medium
and Danny O'Neill just torched them in the Tacoma News Tribune.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Towards the Poto Danny's Crazy Children.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Joe Sheian went off on ownership on our station this week.
I mean, is this is this repairable for Jerry Depoto
at least public image wise?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Can he get the fans and the media back?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah? I mean if you have like an amazing offseason,
but like before you before you even got to that point,
you're gonna have to face the media and do a
post mortem on the season and will it be better
than last year? Fifty four percent? Before he even gets
to that, I think you still have this existential question
that only ownership can answer, Only John Stanton can answer
(07:39):
as to is this good enough to continue on down
this road or do we need to make a change.
And if we make a change, am I going to
equip someone who is a finisher with the resources that
they could finish this team and make them a team
that we expect to win ninety five games year out
(08:00):
for as long as his window was open. I don't
know like that. There's there's a lot of, uh, you know,
significant questions that that people have to ask themselves before
we even think about Jerry to Poto. If I were
the owner, I would have more desire to win than
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to continue down this road. If I were owning the team,
I would make a change because I just I think
that there is something fundamentally missing. Unless unless behind the scenes,
Jerry Depoto has been told no a thousand times on
spending money. Let's assume that that's not the case. If
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that's not the case, I think there's just something fundamentally
missing that makes me question whether he is the guy
that's going to get me to the mountaintop. And I
don't want to win eighty something games every year. I
want to try to get to the mountaintop, even if
that means that I fail and we have to rebuild
this thing in three or four years.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I just don't know if that passion exists Jerry.
To be honest, with you, I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It exists in Philadelphia with John Middleton. I can tell
you that. I mean you've read comments from him. It's
I mean, that guy, good God blessed Philadelphia getting that
cat as their owner. But you know, people will defend
John Stanton, they'll defend the ownership, and that's fine. But
I guess I would just ask, then, why are the
Mariners the only team in baseball that have never played
in the World Series? I mean, John Stanton's been a
part of this ownership group as a partner limited whatever
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it may be, for decades now, right, I mean, why
are they the only team in baseball two have never
played in the World Series.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Well, for long stretches they haven't had a clue, and
then when they have had a clue, they haven't been
able to maximize their win death. And I think Dick
has probably heard this a million times, and when we've
talked about this, going back to when I was early
on in Seattle, I just believe that every decade you've
got won maybe two chances, and if you mess around
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and you missed that window, then you're going to have
to like recast it. And I just think every time
they've got an opportunity like they have now, they've just
messed it up. And that's why I'm just a big
believer in everybody wants to like not go for it,
but still make the world serious, still win a championship.
Like I want to see them go for it, Like say,
(10:26):
I believe enough in this ball club. And really we're
talking about half a team that you got to fix.
And if you've got the stomach to do it, you
could go out and you could put together spending money,
making trades, maybe mortgaging some of your future to put
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together a lineup that would be worthy of the starting
rotation and the bullpen that you have. And if you
did that, you would have your opportunity. It doesn't guarantee
anything in baseball, and it's so hard to get there,
but you got to give yourself the best possible chance.
And this whole like we want to just like have
(11:07):
more darts. I don't care how many darts they have.
I want to dart throwers. I want somebody who can
hit the bulls eye and somebody who has confidence in
throwing that dart. And I just don't feel like they
have that confidence. It never seems like they fully believe
in what they're doing. When they're on the right path,
they don't go far enough, and then when they miss
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their window, we know how hard it is for them
to get up off the mat.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Well, this year they finally threw some darts.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, this is as active as they've ever been,
because the team came out and got out to a
lead in the division. And I kind of blame a
lot of it on the slow starts that Scott got
this team off into in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty three,
because Jerry said, and I'm just gonna defend Jerry for
a second here, not that I'm defending him wholeheartedly, but
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you know, Jerry saw this team being a five hundred
ish team at the trade deadline, five six, seven games
out of first place at the trade deadline. Because of
where how they played in April, May and June the
last few years, I think those slow starts really prevented
him from going out. Now, having said that, Jerry messed up.
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He misread how good the team actually was in those
in those times, so that I think was the window
right Jerry the last two two three years.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean I never bought into to this team,
and even with all the activity that they had this
pass offseason, I never looked at this as like, oh,
this is the best roster that they've had. I looked
at it and I said, I got questions about Luke Rayley,
Who the hell is Josh Rojas, you know for the
(12:47):
long stretch of the season. Mitch Garver, Oh, you know,
he will he stay healthy if he's healthy, Like he's
the guy who's always in his career have been prone
to slow starts. What happens if you get off to
a slow start here where it really gets in your head,
Like there was a lot of questions that I had
Polanco with an injury concern coming in. He's been relatively
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healthy ish this year, but he got off to such
a terrible start. I looked at that entire situation and
I said, you know, they're still missing like three bats,
and they didn't get somebody who could just carry you
for weeks at a time, And so I didn't never
looked at it as like they got a good shot.
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I looked at it as like they still got to
play darn near perfect baseball every week for them to
be in this thing. And then I mean, miraculously they
got off to a ten game lead because everyone else
in the vision was terrible. But the minute that the
Astros get it together, that thing evaporated so quickly. So
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I still don't look at them as having in this
window like we're talking like four years that they've been
good or good ish. I still don't look at a
time when I said, you know what, that team went
for it, that team truly believed that they could do
some damage. It's always been typto in to kill out.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, well, the Astros would be second or third in
every other division.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
In baseball if not for the West.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
So we're not talking about losing this thing to an
elite ball club. And I mean, we'll talk about this
next segment, Jerry, after your interview's over. But I just
there's a video I showed last week on Twitter where
Bob Knight is doing an interview with somebody. He's just calm,
he's calm, he's calm, he's calm, and all of a sudden,
he goes from zero to sixty and just snaps on
the air. He just starts to drop an F bombs
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and pulls his mic off and throws it across the
room and blah, blah blah, get the hell out of here.
And I'm just having these emotions right now hearing you
guys talk about all of this, because the talk of well,
the talk about a window in baseball is absolute nonsense.
There's no window in baseball because there's no salary cap.
You can do whatever you want. If you get rid
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of Logan Gilbert and George Kirby because you can't develop
hitting or you don't want to pay for hitting, that's
a decision that you're making as long as you have
these guys under contract, and you do. Cal Rowley's going nowhere,
George Kirby's going nowhere, Logan Gilbert's going nowhere, Bryce Miller's
going nowhere. Brian wu Castillo has got three years jp
two years in, Julio's got like a decade. There's no
(15:24):
reason why any window for anybody should be changing unless
they let And that's what pisces me off.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
No, that's that's an excellent point, softy. And they act
like they have all the time in the world as well,
right like they act like they know that at worst
they have club control over those starters. They can keep
this entire rotation and attack for three more years. And
you can keep eighty percent of an attack for like
(15:54):
five more years. Like they know this, they act that way.
But I would say this in terms of windows, like
there's no guarantee that you know, four of those five
starters have stayed remarkably healthy all year, with WU being
the only one who's been out quite a bit. There's
no guarantee next year, the year after next that those
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guys are all going to have ideal health like they've had.
There's no guarantee that I mean, they wear out. Kyle Raley,
he's one of the most to me, he's one of
the most valuable players in baseball because there's a catcher
as much as he is behind the plate and as
(16:36):
durable as he's been because they really don't they really
don't have a reliable backup catcher, which is which is
really funny to me. But he's just able to answer
the bell day in and day out. He strikes out
too much. We get that, we wish his average would
be better than two eleven or whatever it is right now,
we get that, but a very valuable player and just
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the way that he handles the rotation he's I mean,
either guys are gonna make one hundred and fifty one
hundred and seventy five million dollars on his next contract.
Hope they can summit that with Scott Boris, because that's
what it's going to take. He's that valuable of a player.
So but when as much as they have worn on him,
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can you depend on him as he gets older? Like
you just don't know, right, Like Julio is going to
be way better hopefully moving forward as anyone else in
this lineup who can help support him. Right that he's
been this year. I think that was just a weird
set of circumstances this year, and he'll be so much
better next year. But even though you've got it set
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up where you've done a lot of the hard work,
you still got to act each season with urgency. And
there was that time when you know, you look at
the numbers. Now, it's kind of funny, guys, because I
look at the numbers of the rotation and they are
way worse than it was when I left for Europe,
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And like, you know, it's summer and everything caught up.
But like, still as a whole, they pitched well, but
there was a time when they were utterly dominant where
the Mariners, if they had had just a functional offense,
would have had a win percentage well into the six hundred,
and then when summer hit, the offense could have picked
up some of the slack and it wouldn't matter. But instead,
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I look at this rotation now, and I see all
these guys, and I look at their record, which is
forget about just the individual pitching record. It's just how
your team has performed versus how your pitching staff has performed.
And none of these guys have gotten in terms of
victories and all this what they deserve and what they've
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put out there, and that just shows how incomplete of
a team it is. And so yeah, when we talk
about windows, like on one hand, softly, yeah, it's wide open.
And I think that's why I would make a move
and bring in someone who sees things ditly to be
the lead of baseball operations, because you can fix this
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and just continue down a good path, and you can
build on the stability that they've established, which is incredibly valuable.
But yet I still look at it and I think
they they have messed up what should have been two
playoff appearances, two shots. No doubt in that world, no
doubt well, I just just don't get those back easily.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And yes, agreed.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well the Texas Rangers went from sixty eight wins to
ninety because they forced open a window and they won
the World Series. Okay, so all right, Jerry, listen, great stuff.
I'm getting yelled at by Jackson to break and nobody
ever wants that. Let's let's have you one again very soon,
and we'll try and quadruple your pay the next time.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, I have tanks, man, I promise you.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
All right, sounds great, you bet?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Jerry Brewer with us.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Just come back and to discussing bout that next on
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I have a theory on stuff like this, And I
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the guy that sold the North Lake Tavern, how crazy
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Speaker 6 (20:49):
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You know, I'm gonna take this quick opportunity because as
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So it was a place called diane Subs. I was
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Best breakfast sandwich I've ever had. What happened to Diane's Subs?
I don't know anybody knows.
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I'm telling you this, this idea that you take something
away from somebody that they love, and then you bring
it back and you're making five times more money. Absolutely,
the guy that on the North Lake Tavern could bring
the North Flake Tavern back and charge one hundred bucks
of pizza, he'd sell out anywhere.
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So Jerry Depoto, you know, the the latest to Jerry Depoto,
Jerry Brewer the latest to kind of join the chorus.
I mean mean, you brought up a good question and
I'm trying to remember the exact way you phrased it
about if Jerry can recover from this right, meaning the
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animosity from the fan base. Does John Stanton look at
him and go, dude, man, what are you doing? You
got this fabulous pitching staff and you can't even build
me an offense for crying out loud. I would say
a lot of that's on the owner, there's no question.
But how many moves did Jerry make over the offseason?
You got Mitch Carver, you got Mitch Hanniger, you got
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Luke Rayley, he got Hori Polonko, and then he went
out and got a Rose Arena Justin Turner, Right, am
I missing anybody?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Edios? Right?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So that's like seven guys and they've all been turns,
every single one, every single one. So let's say two
of those guys work. Let's say three of those guys
work in first place totally.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
So if you're.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
John Stanton, yeah, I don't want to let him off
the hook, But that's a different conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I'm just tann. I'm thinking that you're ch I gave you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I mean, you went out and you brought in seven
brand new hitters and none of them have hit. If
two of them hit, were in first place, and nobody's
busting our balls like they are.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Exactly right, that's exactly right. And John Stanton, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Quote unquote opened up his pocketbooks with six million dollars
at the trade deadline to get Randy Rose Areno.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Try not to laugh.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
That's why I said, quote unquote, you know, but it
is a it's a failure by de Poto to get
the right guys more so in my opinion than it's
a failure for unless unless you're telling me john Stanton said,
you had no money, no money in the offseason, can't
get anybody. And he just literally had to make chicken
salad out chicken crap. I mean he hasked to pay Polanco,
(24:38):
gotta pay Garver. I mean that's John Stanton's money had
to pay with. He just he just got the wrong
guys that John Stanton's paying for.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, and look, I think this all comes down to
the root causes the ownership group, the root causes the
failure to address any of this the last couple of
years in ignoring free agency. And then you know, look
they went out and they got patches. As you've said,
they got guys that aren't every day starters. They got
guys with injury histories, they got guys with suspension histories,
blah blah blah blah blah. So maybe part of that is, Hey,
(25:07):
if you're Jerry and John Stanton is giving you a
limited amount of paint to work with, how can you
put together this Picasso if he's not gonna give you
everything you need to make it happen. So I see
that side too. I guess the point is here, Dick.
For me, nobody's immune. Nobody's immune from criticism. Nobody's immune
(25:28):
when you have this kind of pitching staff and you
waste it. And look, I agree with what Jerry's talking
about with the window and all that stuff. I know
I went a little nuts last segment because windows are
created by owners. I mean, the Rangers went out and
won sixty eight games, got a bunch of guys one
ninety one the World Series, so they jacked open. They
forced open a window with the way they approached free agency.
(25:49):
The Mariners can do the exact same thing. The problem
I have is that I know them, You know them,
everybody knows them. The window in reality, like is closing
because of the way they operate. This idea of trading
Logan Gilbert Away for offense ridiculous. Yeah, George Kirby for
offense ridiculous. So you're going to close your own window
(26:12):
because you are closing it on purpose because you're getting
rid of these guys because you're too cheap to pay
for bats and you can develop offense. So I know them,
I know how they operate, and I'm very fearful that
I think you mentioned something with Jerry like is this
was this their best opportunity?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I think in reality, knowing the way the Mariner ownership operates,
this was their best opportunity.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, I'm I mean, I'm not gonna tar and feather
him for something that hasn't happened yet, and your fear.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Might come true, but they go to the World Series
apologize profusely.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about what you just
said about trading Logan Gilbert and you know, you know
Robin Peter to pay Paul that that sort of thing.
I just think their focus is too much on being
competitive for a long period of time than it is
being a championship caliber team, because there's two different windows.
(27:07):
There's a window of competitiveness, and I think that windows
open for a long period of time, and I think
they're going to make sure it's open for a long
period of time. But the window for a championship, especially
if you're a team that's not going to spend two
hundred and fifty million dollars, is you got to strike
when your pitchers are making no money, and they're only
making no money right now.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It's going to change next year.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Man, all right, we're gonna break textimonials four nine, four
to five, one.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Huey Mellan gonna join us, by the way, coming up.
What's that did at five? I'm ninety three to three KJRFM.
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