September 13, 2024 • 29 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Chris Petersen about the Apple Cup and his history in the game then listen to a Colin Cowherd clip on the Hawks.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, let's get to at the Apple Cup tomorrow
(00:02):
pregame show at eight thirty from the gantry on occidental
kick off at twelve thirty right here on ninety three
three KJRFM, and joining us right now on the radio show,
our old friend Chris Peterson. I'm always looking forward to
these conversations, guys, because i'd like to add to our
Chris Peterson sound wall.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What did you ask?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
That question that we have here on the air, and
one of my all time favorites from a conversation that
we had in person a few years ago. I asked
him if he had heard the radio program. I've never,
in one time ever heard your radio show. So I
think it's time now that he's been away from the
game at least as far as coaching for a while,
to officially ask Chris Peterson, have you or have you
(00:38):
not heard this show since you stepped away from the sideline?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh my gosh, are we telling the truth these days?
Or we kind of fib things?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I always assumed that you were lying to me, So
just keep it going.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm still oh for what listening to your show out?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
God, God, we're saying good things about man. We're complimenting
you for your new TV gig. Dude, I was watching
you on TV with a Manual Lot show on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
How are you enjoying the work with Fox?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know, it's pretty good because I get to go
down there and I get to watch all of the games.
Like if I stayed home, I wouldn't be able to
see all the games. So I went to some of
these games, I wouldn't able to see the game. So
I really enjoy watching, you know, somebody and my buddy
still coaching and all those still type of things. And
the second thing is it's kind of nice when you're
undefeated the last four years and got a lot of
(01:32):
answers for everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, Chris Peterson is with us.
We'll dive into the Apple Cup in a second, but
how about we just start with everything happening around college football,
Like I'm sure this will be brought up on Fox
on Saturday. The Pac twelve or Pac two was gonna
add Fresno, Colorado State, San Diego State, and your old
team Boise is leaving the Mountain West to head to
(01:55):
the Pac twelve to join the Cougars and Beavers.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
What do you make of that news that came out.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I think that's really interesting. It sounds like it's certainly
heading in the right direction. My big question is, Okay,
who are the other two teams? Because you've got to
have at least eight, and when they get to ten,
so is there are four more teams? And so I
think the last pieces to that puzzle could really be
something cool if they're the right teams, you know, somebody
(02:22):
you know, hopefully west of the Mississippi, so the travel
makes more sense, and you know, you can build back
some rivalries and those types of things. So I'm excited
to see where this thing goes.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well, you know that conference, so well, who are those
teams in your mind that you think are the perfect
fit for the new pactwelve?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well, I you know, like I said, I think the
teams that they have added will be great. The one
that I'm probably least familiar with is Colorado State. Ye
you know, but I know they have resources. I know
that's a really cool place that people want to go
to recruit, are interested in poor Collins and and so
(03:02):
I think that's a good one. You know, I kind
of go back to like just this realignment thing. I
don't know. I mean, yeah, that's great, But then I
think about some of these other teams that are being
left out, and so what's the vataging to do with
our buddy Jeff Choate there and you know, you know
Hawaii and Chandos and all these others. I mean, there's
still some good team, you know, some good solid I don't.
(03:25):
I just worry about what's going to happen to people
to get left behind a little bit. I just don't
like that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, And it's a trickle down deal, right, I mean,
somebody eventually somewhere will get left behind, and it might
be a lot of teams getting left behind. And I
was talking to someone this morning, coach about this, if
if the new PAC twelve would get automatic qualifier status
and the new twelve team playoff, and the point was
that the Big ten, the SEC will never allow that
to happen because of how much power they have over
(03:52):
this whole thing. Would you generally kind of agree that
that's that's the road we're going down.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I know nothing more than you do, which is obviously
not very much between the two of us, but I
would I would agree with that. Yeah, those two conferences,
those are the power brokers and how they wanted to go.
It seems like that's what's gonna happen these days. So again,
it'll be interesting. I think that's you know, overall, that's
(04:21):
one of the things that you know, I really feel
I've had a chance in Spraying to travel around a
bit to different places, and I did it again in
summer in fall camp, and I can just feel this
more and more separation between the haves and the have nots,
and you know, I don't know, I don't that's not
(04:42):
a great feeling for me again because you know, my
roots are always kind of with that, with the have
not you know, I mean coaching, playing at UC Davis
and then coaching at Portland State and you know, and
then being at Boise and scratching and calling and being
able to you know, have hope to get access to
the big and so I don't know wherever this thing goes,
(05:03):
I hope the access is always there, and I really
hope that the powers that be create a system that, Okay,
the best of the best, go do what you want
to do, but there's always a way that people can
have a chance to get in there if they want to.
Up to Annie and increase their resources and pay players
more and get better talent that that's never taken away
(05:26):
from anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well you mentioned haven't have not. It reminds me of
the old Scott Woodward line.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
The Huskies are the halves and the Cougars.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And the have nots.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
And yet I think the Cougar brand is still big
enough to maybe potentially be a part of the haves.
I almost see them coaches a little more of a
Big twelve type brand than they are this Mountain West
slash Pac twelve slash brand.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, first of all, when I think about, yes, I
do think the Cougars should be part of the haves.
I mean, I think when this whole thing imploded, the
two schools that I just felt terrible about was Washington
State and Oregon State because I and I think we
talked about this before. I just I just really always
(06:11):
felt like they were scratching and calling to do everything
that they could to be as good as they could, right,
And I didn't feel like that about some other teams
that we played or that I know of. You know,
I felt like the administrations could do more if they
really wanted to be better, they could be better, And
(06:32):
I never felt out about those two places. I mean,
I look at that beautiful you know stadium down at
Oregon State Research Stadium that got expanded, and then you
know the rivalry here, all the stuff that went on
certainly in my time to really understand Washington State and
the respect that I have, like what that competition was
going to be like. So I really didn't like that
(06:54):
when they got left out. Now, whether they go to
the Big twelve or they rebuild this PAC twelve with
some really good quality teams like the four they get
added and get a few more, I think that can
be a really cool conference as well.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, Chris Peterson's with us on the are we gonna
add the you know nothing drop to our Chris Peterson
drop wall by the way, No to our production, no
to our producer back there, added to you know, just
gems like this one.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What did you ask that question?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I love that one.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Have no idea what you were responding to, but it
was something snarky from me, I'm sure, But Chris Dick
and I were looking up your Apple Cup record. I mean,
you're like Nick Harris and Chris Peterson. You you you
never lost to no koub six and zero and the
Apple Cup that you dub and average margin of victory
thirty seven to sixteen in those games against Washington State
(07:42):
and Mike Leachs. I mean honestly, like how much pride
you take on that that you never lost an Apple Cup?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, I will tell you this, we put a lot
of emphasis on that game. We put a ton of
emphasis that we am. You know, we kind of try
to keep it a little bit quiet in terms of
what we were doing. You know, it was a lot
a lot of it was a lot of fun for
the kids and fun for us to you know, like
no no media access, and I just didn't want anything
(08:10):
to get like, I just wanted to build the walls.
And we really kind of started it up internally with
a lot of fun, with a lot of history of
the rivalries and the programs, and so the one thing
I wanted to make sure was that our guys were
ready to play, that they never looked past these guys,
and thank god they didn't, because all those games were
(08:31):
super competitive. A lot of them went down to the wire.
I thought a lot of times our guys played our
very best football against Washington Washington State. I mean all
the respect that I and love that I had for
Mike Leach. You know, those those were important, important games,
and I used to you always think about it. It's like, hey,
I'm good with all these teams being around and the
(08:52):
light you know, you're crossing the five pointy Bridge and
you see the Cougar flag or the Washington state license plate.
I'm all good with that, right as long as we won.
If we didn't win, that was gonna bug the heck
out of me forever.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I mean I used to tell our guys that it's like, hey,
who can all these friends except for this one day?
We better take care of business on that one day.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
God, that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, Coach, I gotta tell you this is fascinating to
hear you say this, because if I would have suggested
when you were at UDB and any one of those
Thursday meetings Monday press conference that you are treating this
game any different than any other game on your schedule
would have gotten hammer.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You would have ripped my head off.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So you're saying that behind the scenes, yes, because there's
more juice on this show.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
There's more juice with the fans.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean, tickets are more expensive, I mean, obviously it's
a different deal, and it's fun to hear you admit that, Yeah,
it's a different deal.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Behind the scenes, I.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Love it, well, yeah, one hundred percent. And the other
thing is, you know, it was the last game of
the season, and so you know a lot of guys
are on fumes at that point, Guys are really beat up.
You know, you're patching your team together, and also you're
getting you're usually getting ready to play for something special.
You know that you win that game, heck, you might
(10:11):
be going to the conference championship, You're gonna go to
a better bowl game, and so you and then the
rivalry things always fun in college football. So at that point,
we did roll the dice differently, or we did change
our strategy and tactics because really, for the most part,
we did want to be one practice at a time,
one game at a time. That and that's so hard
(10:34):
to do, especially in this day and age with expectations,
you know everywhere. I feel really bad for a couple
of these programs that are out there and you can
see them kind of just trying to find their way
to Notre Dames, you know, the Michigan's Heck, I even
see some good programs out there that have not really
hit stride yet. Part of that is because of the
(10:56):
transfer portal and people still trying to really get aligned
with their new guys. But I also think it's because
of these weighty expectations. If they're thinking about the wrong things,
they're paying attention to the wrong things. They're not paying
attention to this one day at a time, and practice
is everything, and that next practice is everything, and then
(11:17):
the games we just go and cut it loose and
stress tests how we're doing in practice because I go
with a different I go with a different formula and
a different thought process. Like I don't think practice I
don't like to tellus practice is about learning. Oh it's
okay to go out there and make a bunch of mistakes.
If we go out there and make a bunch of missus,
we're not putting that stuff in if we can't get
(11:39):
this right. So to me, practice is about performance, and
we got to keep performing in practice at a high level.
Then that's going to carry over into the game. The
games are then about learning, and so you stress tests
all you know, do we get better or our scheme's
holding up? And then where you get your you know,
holes poked in your system, you go back and then
(12:00):
you try to clean that up in practice and you
build skill that way. So I think some there's just
a I feel bad for some of these kids because
society's telling them. You know, you're not getting the ball enough,
You're not proporlling enough. What's wrong with your team? You know,
you guys should be better than this, Like, no, you
should just get better today in practice and don't worry
about that darn game, and then cut it loose in
(12:20):
the game and have some fun playing the game and
then watch your performance improve.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Former Husky coach Chris Peterson joining us, he was a
perfect six and zero in the Apple Cups. But here's
what I'm worried about, coach, is that Jed Fish has
got a situation that you never had to deal with.
You never had to deal with forty fifty kids that
knew nothing about the Apple Cup. You never had to
deal with kids that didn't get to learn from juniors
(12:45):
and seniors and go through the battles on the sidelines
before they became starters. So how would you coach up
this team to understand the importance of this game when
half the team has no idea what the Apple Cup is.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
But Jed Fish has, you know, an idea what the
Apple Cup is, and so he'll make sure that those
guys are ready and they know the importance of that game.
Because the one guy that I know will have his
team ready to play is Jake Dickard because he knows
the importance of this day and those guys play well
in those games, and so he will have them ready,
(13:22):
and so and so will Jed Now the approach that
he takes, you know what's what's so darn different about
this game? You know it just it does feel different,
certainly to me, being so early in the season. You know,
you don't get a chance to follow each other so much,
playing at Luminfield like all that does feel different. But
you know, I've been so impressed with the job that
jeded Fish has done here. I mean a boy in
(13:44):
a short time to put together everything he's put together,
to recruit the talent in that he has, and really
to watch how they're operating at a super high level
has been really, really impressive. So I can't wait to
see this is really not because you know, I've been
involved with the Apple Up for a long time. If
I'm just a general football fan. I am really interested
in this game to see because to see where each
(14:08):
of these teams are. Washington did a great job against
Texas Tech. This will be far the best opponent at
Washington has played yet. And so to see where we are.
And I sit there and I look at Washington State schedule. Okay,
so Texas Tech people are thinking good things about them.
They just took care of them. Washington probably the biggest
(14:29):
team on their schedule. Then two weeks after that at
Boise State. Right, So, and not to get ahead of ourselves,
we can get ahead of ourselves, right softee, not the coaches,
not the players, I feel you the harm on board. Okay,
So they go down to Boise State and that's going
to be a heck of a game. And after that,
(14:49):
I mean, if they can win out there, they'd be
heavily favored I think in most of the games going forward.
So then once like they have a lot to play
for it this year. I mean that is really interesting
when I look at that as well. So this is
gonna be a fun game. I think both teams are
going to really go after each other. It's fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, I'm this is not a cakewalk for you Dub
at all. And I was talking to you know, your
old buddy, Christian Caple the other day, and both of
us agreed that if you Dub can beat Wazoo, that's
a that's a that's a good win, right, I mean,
that's not a win just to kind of brush off.
If they can beat this football team on Saturday with
fifty one new guys and all the energy coming from
Pullman's side, that's a good win. But the Johnny McTeer
(15:29):
thing keeps me up at night. You know, watching a
running quarterback scares the hell out of me. This rebuilt
offensive line for you Dub not really settled down yet
to where they want it to be. What would be
kind of your things that we should keep an eye on,
what would be the real, big time important factors schematically
in this game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah. If there's one thing that I maybe kind of
know about the Belichick system is they're going to figure
out what you really do good, and that is going
to be their entire mission in life is to stop
that one really good thing that you do. Like, we're
not going to get beat by that thing, right, and
(16:08):
obviously that one thing so far after two games that
Wazoo's you know, put on tape as Jeu Mattier and that,
and how he can run and not only you know
the quarterback run game that he's very good at, which
Steck creates a lot of problems. You know, when you
have a guy like that and you go into empty
and you know, do you have enough extra bodies to
you know, to make give enough defenders there to defend
(16:31):
and run as well as when he scrambles around to throw.
And when I see him scramble around to throw, I'm
not nearly as worried about him throwing that ball as
I am him tucking it and running it. And so
you know, certainly, if I know that, you know that.
You know Belichick and company over there know that, and
they will be having, you know, a lot of strategy
(16:54):
around how do we slow that guy down from his legs?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well, coach, most of these games have been fairly one
sided over the last fourteen years, but last year was not.
Last year went down to it and Softie and I
were debating what you would say before we had you
on one minute and seven seconds left. You're the head
coach of the Dogs. It's a tie ball. Game at
twenty one to twenty one. Are you going for it
(17:19):
on fourth and one at your own twenty nine yard
line like Caitlin de Bor did last year?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, of course I am. Did you not see how
that thing turned out? I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know, I'll tell you what. That's a situation where
you know your team inside out. That team had and
certainly that offense had more confidence than anybody at any
offense I've seen it in a long time, and you
know your team better than anyone from the outside. I'm like, hail, no,
(17:58):
I'm budding that football play some defense. But you see
what came and did and the confidence that he has
and you know panics and then roam. I mean, he's
just gonna put the ball into the best player's hand,
you know, the best players in college football's hands, and
so I get it. Like when you look at it
like that, you're like, yes, I get it. I mean,
go ahead, we'll roll with these guys and so. But
(18:20):
it was, you know, that's that's what college football is
all about. That's what those rivalries are all about. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, well I would have gone for it. I think
if they would have punted it, they would have lost
the game. But you know whatever, It's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You wouldn't come on because you're sitting there behind the mic,
and you got all the answers a year later, the
course you what it went for it? So I say
that I said in real time yes. And let me
tell you, softy, when seventy thousand people are breathing on
you and you got to make that all of a sudden,
it's like fourth and one and you're not really counting
on it being fourth and one and you got to
come up with that decision, things get a little bit different.
(18:54):
Your decision making patterns change quickly. It it's easy to
say that order to do well.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I can't say I would have run the same play,
but I definitely would have gone for it. I'm fourth
and one. I felt like I wasn't got the ball back.
They would have won the game. But you know what, Chris,
let me ask you a question, because you you you
sound happy. I mean, you sound like you're fun. You're
enjoying this TV thing. Not that you sounded miserable when
you were a head coach, but you really sound like
you're enjoying this. Has there been one second of one
day since you left coaching, where you thought to yourself, Man,
(19:22):
I made the wrong decision.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
No, no, no, no, not at all. You know we've talked
about this a bunch. I mean, I just this, This
was a long discussion. It is not for this time
right now. But you know I was not at my
best and I was I was sliding backwards. And that's
you know, I said that when I stepped away. I mean,
that was honest to God as truth tools I could be.
(19:44):
Didn't know why, you know, since then, I've made some
sense of things and and so, And at that time
I didn't know if I was going to come back
and coach again. I just knew know I needed a
break and they get some sense of things. But there
hasn't you know since that time. Then I looked back
and said, yeah, that was the wrong decision. Do I
I mean, do I miss the kids? Do I miss
(20:06):
our coaches? There's certain things about the job that you
can never get anywhere, So yes, but overall for delights
that I want to lead. Now, no, I don't say that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Good good for you. Well correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Any part of the reason you left was just because
the direction that college football was going and I feel, coach,
like it's even gone in hyper speed, even faster than
maybe you wouldn't even imagined that was going down that direction?
Is that has it changed even more than you thought
it was going to change in the four years that
you've been out.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
One hundred percent. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
You know, everybody would you know, joke with me, man,
how'd you see this coming? I'm like, Oh, I just
I just knew it. You know, It's like, yeah, I
knew it. Nobody could see this coming. And you know,
and I I think it's way too easy to get
for me to say, yeah, I didn't like the direction
of college football. That's why I stepped out. That was
(20:59):
not the first and foremost reason I stepped away. I
didn't like the way I was going. And I always
think it comes back to you and how we look
at things and how what our perspectives all about and
how and I was going down the wrong rabbit holes
on those things. And so you know, that's too easy
to say. You know that the whole industry that is
(21:21):
going south. So I decided to go somewhere different. I
just didn't do a good enough job taking care of
myself to be the leader and the head coach that
I needed to be, to really be, you know, excited
about things every day because I just you know, that's
all We talk to the kids too, and I believe it.
This is about us taking ownership of ourselves and our
lives and doing the things we need to do to
(21:43):
really to be the best we can. And I know
that just sounds like a lot of coach speak and
all those things, but you know, no one likes these
cliches and co speak, but really there's so much truth
into them. And if we could do a couple cliches
that you hear, if you could just pick out a
few and do them, your life would probably get a
lot better.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, no doubt. Hey, good stuff. Appreciate this. Hope you
enjoyed talking to us as much as we love talking
to you. All right, so let's let's do it again
very soon. Have fun doing the whole TV star thing
on Saturday, and we'll talk down the road.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
All right, Thanks coach.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
All right, let's have a great apple cup, all.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Right, man Chris Peterson with us on the radio show.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's great, and just having him admit that, yeah, we
looked at the apple Cup totally differently. We wanted to
win that game worse than any other game, and it
was totally different.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Behind the scenes. He lied to us. He lied to
us for six years. He would have killed you if
you asked him that us. And you know what I
mean to me, there's nothing wrong with it, dude. It's it, dude.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I mean, everybody knows it's a bigger game. Of course,
it's a bigger game. Players hear more stuff on social media.
They got more friends buzzing in their ear. It's a
completely different game. Why not just own it? Apparently they
always had been owning it behind the scenes. We're gonna
break Hugh Mellin's gonna join us at five o'clock right
here on ninety three three KJRFM. Now back to the
Washington State Beat Commissions Football Friday with SOFTI on your
(22:59):
home for the NFL Sports Radio ninety three point three.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
kJ a r FL. Hey let me real quick promote
tomorrow's radio show.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We're at the gantry, uh barn Grail next to the
Settle Team shop on Occidental right across from Loomingfield, so
great spot to party before the game. You have a
couple too many bloody marries. You literally roll to the
stadium like literally could roll across the street.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
That's my plan to the stadium, Is it really?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yes? It is.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't think I'm going there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You're gonna come by saving who will who whose blood
alcohol level will be higher? Jackson Feltzer Dick Vane at
eleven thirty tomorrow before.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Kickof I'm not driving. Yeah, definitely, Jackson, have a day,
definitely Jackson. The Sounders plays Sunday late afternoon. I'm gonna
have a day tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
See, I think his getting after it is different than
you're getting after it, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Right, Well, I'm gonna have am My planning is to
have like eight whiskey sprites or something with that.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Baby.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
He's got an advantage of being twenty years younger than
wait wait till you're fifteen. C Eight whiskeys sprites make
you feel here's my impression of me in about ten
thirty A and Merrow welcome back.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
The funest show we.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Ever did was from the David's Barn and Grill across
the street from Levi Stadium after the twenty sixteen Colorado game. Right,
we had to wait like an hour because we had
a high school football game on the air that went
to like quadruple overtime. By the time we got into
the air, Bart hammered, Millen hammered, me, buzzed, equipment soaked
in beer, and none of us were qualified to be
on the radio.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
But it was fun as hell.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That was one of the funnest shows I've ever done
is knocking off Colorado in sixteen.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
So tomorrow we're gonna have Here's what we got.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
We got Walter Bailey joining us to break down the
defensive play that led to him picking off Drew Bledsoe
in ninety one when he took him into the end
zone with him. We got Jake Locker on Tomorrow Morning
breaking down the touchdown pass the Jermaine curse that beat
Nolden Washington to win the Apple Cup in twenty ten
and put the Huskies into a bowl game for the
first time in seven years. We got Cason Williams on
(24:59):
Tomorrow's show breaking down leaping over that same guy in
Nolln Washington the very next year, in twenty eleven, the
last time the aftercaut was played at Loomin Field.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
We got Chris Peterson, who you just heard last segment.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
We got Greg Lewis, we got Marrow Basley, we got
Jeed Fish, we got Phil Steele with his preview for
tomorrow's game a ton coming tomorrow on the radio show
Can't wait to do It?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
I should think you've done enough work or prep for
this show. Wow, it is now time for we have
not done this in a while. You ready?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Here we go another edition of what did Nick Fane
learn on the Colin Coward Show that we can rip
off and play on the air today?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Well, you know, I listen a lot down when I'm
working out, and usually it's just kind of background noise
and I'll pay kind of like half attention. But when
anytime he starts talking about the Hawks, and anytime he
starts talking about Pete Carroll, John Schneider and even bringing
up our friend Mike Holmgren in the conversation, I thought,
all right, I'm gonna rewind this, I'm gonna record this
and we'll talk about it on the show.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
So for years and years there was a SAMs and
Paul Allen passed away and was ill that Pete kind
of filled that leadership. Boy, Pete was a franchise. So
John Sneyder was gonna lead to go to Detroit, was
offered the job, and then the Allen's like, Jody Allen
like get back here, will pay you. And then it
was very clear he only came back because he got
final say on all draft picks. Pete didn't have the
(26:20):
Jews And the last two drafts for John Snyder have
been great. So a lot of times, if a coach
is a super star, Andy Reid's very rare. Andy Reid
doesn't want to He wants to let Brett Beetz do
his stuff. But a lot of these coaches they want
say in drafting. And I mean Mike Holmgrian's one of
the all time great coaches. When he was with Seattle,
he did some He had a lot of power for
a while, and I always thought he had too much
(26:40):
power because he had some bad draft picks.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Being a coach is hard.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Belichick tried both.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
It failed.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
I thought Pete had too much power in Seattle for
about a four or five year stretch. But the last
two Seahawk drafts I'm watching, Seattle played Denver. Seattle is fast.
Those last two drafts for Seattle Snyder's run the shop
are outstanding.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Do we believe that. Do we believe?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I believe that he recorded that with a Mattel plastic Microsoft,
which I.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Had to get the audio.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
They only they only send out certain clips. I'm talking
about Pete Carroll, John Schneider is not something they're sending
out on social media.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, so you're a question, do we agree that they've
had what two great drafts in a row?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Snider?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But my question is he is he is making a
statement that Pete Carroll had final say until John Schneider
was going to leave to Detroit, and the only thing
that got John Schneider back to Seattle was that he
leapfrogged Pete Carroll as the grand Pooba of all things driving.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I mean, it's possible. I've never heard that up until now. Uh,
it's certainly possible that that is what happened. I do
remember John Schneider turning down the Lion's job.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
He was connected to it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't know if he was ever offered it, how
far they got, but it's it's it's not ridiculous to
think that, right, I'm I mean, John Schneider stayed here
for a reason, right, and he was at a point
in his career a couple of years ago where he
could have gone to any opening in the NFL and
been given ultimate authority over that entire franchise, and he
turned it down to stay in Seattle to work with
(28:14):
Pete Carroll. So either A he really really loved Pete
Carroll or B he was given more authority.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
I'll say this, I don't know if I would.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm not ready to talk about this year's draft because
those guys have played one week together. But here's who
they've gotten in the last two twenty twenty two, twenty
twenty three, Charles Cross, Boye Mafey, Kenny Walker, Abraham Lucas,
Riek Wolnd, Devin Witherspoon, Jackson Smith and Jigma, zach Scharbonnet,
Anthony Bradford, Kenny Macintosh, Big o' lou. I mean, dude,
(28:45):
there's some awesome names. Well, twenty twenty two in twenty
three looked like killer drafts for him.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
So his theory, and I don't know if it's as
much a theory as it is a statement, it kind
of checks out because he went on to talk about
how great Pete's drafts were early because Pete was a
college coach, and we talked about that before. Where Pete's
greatest drafts were in his few years where he recruited
for USC the guys that got drafted in twenty ten,
(29:13):
twenty eleven, twenty twelve, do you know those three years
in particular, And then it kind of fell off, right,
So at least the timeline makes sense. Pete does a
great job drafting because he knows all these guys from
college recruiting. Then it falls off, then it picks back
up again because John Schneider leapfrogs Pete Carroll in the
pecking order and starts drafting the guys he wants the
(29:35):
last two or threes. I don't know if it's true
or not, but at least it passes the sniff test.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Let's get a break, text and audios, and then Hugh
Millen gonna join us, by the way, coming up right here.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Never in one time ever heard your radio show.
All right, let's get to at the Apple Cup tomorrow
(00:02):
pregame show at eight thirty from the gantry on occidental
kick off at twelve thirty right here on ninety three
three KJRFM, and joining us right now on the radio show,
our old friend Chris Peterson. I'm always looking forward to
these conversations, guys, because i'd like to add to our
Chris Peterson sound wall.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What did you ask?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
That question that we have here on the air, and
one of my all time favorites from a conversation that
we had in person a few years ago. I asked
him if he had heard the radio program. I've never,
in one time ever heard your radio show. So I
think it's time now that he's been away from the
game at least as far as coaching for a while,
to officially ask Chris Peterson, have you or have you
(00:38):
not heard this show since you stepped away from the sideline?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh my gosh, are we telling the truth these days?
Or we kind of fib things?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I always assumed that you were lying to me, So
just keep it going.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm still oh for what listening to your show out?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
God, God, we're saying good things about man. We're complimenting
you for your new TV gig. Dude, I was watching
you on TV with a Manual Lot show on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
How are you enjoying the work with Fox?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know, it's pretty good because I get to go
down there and I get to watch all of the games.
Like if I stayed home, I wouldn't be able to
see all the games. So I went to some of
these games, I wouldn't able to see the game. So
I really enjoy watching, you know, somebody and my buddy
still coaching and all those still type of things. And
the second thing is it's kind of nice when you're
undefeated the last four years and got a lot of
(01:32):
answers for everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, Chris Peterson is with us.
We'll dive into the Apple Cup in a second, but
how about we just start with everything happening around college football,
Like I'm sure this will be brought up on Fox
on Saturday. The Pac twelve or Pac two was gonna
add Fresno, Colorado State, San Diego State, and your old
team Boise is leaving the Mountain West to head to
(01:55):
the Pac twelve to join the Cougars and Beavers.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
What do you make of that news that came out.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I think that's really interesting. It sounds like it's certainly
heading in the right direction. My big question is, Okay,
who are the other two teams? Because you've got to
have at least eight, and when they get to ten,
so is there are four more teams? And so I
think the last pieces to that puzzle could really be
something cool if they're the right teams, you know, somebody
(02:22):
you know, hopefully west of the Mississippi, so the travel
makes more sense, and you know, you can build back
some rivalries and those types of things. So I'm excited
to see where this thing goes.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well, you know that conference, so well, who are those
teams in your mind that you think are the perfect
fit for the new pactwelve?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well, I you know, like I said, I think the
teams that they have added will be great. The one
that I'm probably least familiar with is Colorado State. Ye
you know, but I know they have resources. I know
that's a really cool place that people want to go
to recruit, are interested in poor Collins and and so
(03:02):
I think that's a good one. You know, I kind
of go back to like just this realignment thing. I
don't know. I mean, yeah, that's great, But then I
think about some of these other teams that are being
left out, and so what's the vataging to do with
our buddy Jeff Choate there and you know, you know
Hawaii and Chandos and all these others. I mean, there's
still some good team, you know, some good solid I don't.
(03:25):
I just worry about what's going to happen to people
to get left behind a little bit. I just don't
like that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, And it's a trickle down deal, right, I mean,
somebody eventually somewhere will get left behind, and it might
be a lot of teams getting left behind. And I
was talking to someone this morning, coach about this, if
if the new PAC twelve would get automatic qualifier status
and the new twelve team playoff, and the point was
that the Big ten, the SEC will never allow that
to happen because of how much power they have over
(03:52):
this whole thing. Would you generally kind of agree that
that's that's the road we're going down.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I know nothing more than you do, which is obviously
not very much between the two of us, but I
would I would agree with that. Yeah, those two conferences,
those are the power brokers and how they wanted to go.
It seems like that's what's gonna happen these days. So again,
it'll be interesting. I think that's you know, overall, that's
(04:21):
one of the things that you know, I really feel
I've had a chance in Spraying to travel around a
bit to different places, and I did it again in
summer in fall camp, and I can just feel this
more and more separation between the haves and the have nots,
and you know, I don't know, I don't that's not
(04:42):
a great feeling for me again because you know, my
roots are always kind of with that, with the have
not you know, I mean coaching, playing at UC Davis
and then coaching at Portland State and you know, and
then being at Boise and scratching and calling and being
able to you know, have hope to get access to
the big and so I don't know wherever this thing goes,
(05:03):
I hope the access is always there, and I really
hope that the powers that be create a system that, Okay,
the best of the best, go do what you want
to do, but there's always a way that people can
have a chance to get in there if they want to.
Up to Annie and increase their resources and pay players
more and get better talent that that's never taken away
(05:26):
from anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well you mentioned haven't have not. It reminds me of
the old Scott Woodward line.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
The Huskies are the halves and the Cougars.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And the have nots.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
And yet I think the Cougar brand is still big
enough to maybe potentially be a part of the haves.
I almost see them coaches a little more of a
Big twelve type brand than they are this Mountain West
slash Pac twelve slash brand.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, first of all, when I think about, yes, I
do think the Cougars should be part of the haves.
I mean, I think when this whole thing imploded, the
two schools that I just felt terrible about was Washington
State and Oregon State because I and I think we
talked about this before. I just I just really always
(06:11):
felt like they were scratching and calling to do everything
that they could to be as good as they could, right,
And I didn't feel like that about some other teams
that we played or that I know of. You know,
I felt like the administrations could do more if they
really wanted to be better, they could be better, And
(06:32):
I never felt out about those two places. I mean,
I look at that beautiful you know stadium down at
Oregon State Research Stadium that got expanded, and then you
know the rivalry here, all the stuff that went on
certainly in my time to really understand Washington State and
the respect that I have, like what that competition was
going to be like. So I really didn't like that
(06:54):
when they got left out. Now, whether they go to
the Big twelve or they rebuild this PAC twelve with
some really good quality teams like the four they get
added and get a few more, I think that can
be a really cool conference as well.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, Chris Peterson's with us on the are we gonna
add the you know nothing drop to our Chris Peterson
drop wall by the way, No to our production, no
to our producer back there, added to you know, just
gems like this one.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What did you ask that question?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I love that one.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Have no idea what you were responding to, but it
was something snarky from me, I'm sure, But Chris Dick
and I were looking up your Apple Cup record. I mean,
you're like Nick Harris and Chris Peterson. You you you
never lost to no koub six and zero and the
Apple Cup that you dub and average margin of victory
thirty seven to sixteen in those games against Washington State
(07:42):
and Mike Leachs. I mean honestly, like how much pride
you take on that that you never lost an Apple Cup?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, I will tell you this, we put a lot
of emphasis on that game. We put a ton of
emphasis that we am. You know, we kind of try
to keep it a little bit quiet in terms of
what we were doing. You know, it was a lot
a lot of it was a lot of fun for
the kids and fun for us to you know, like
no no media access, and I just didn't want anything
(08:10):
to get like, I just wanted to build the walls.
And we really kind of started it up internally with
a lot of fun, with a lot of history of
the rivalries and the programs, and so the one thing
I wanted to make sure was that our guys were
ready to play, that they never looked past these guys,
and thank god they didn't, because all those games were
(08:31):
super competitive. A lot of them went down to the wire.
I thought a lot of times our guys played our
very best football against Washington Washington State. I mean all
the respect that I and love that I had for
Mike Leach. You know, those those were important, important games,
and I used to you always think about it. It's like, hey,
I'm good with all these teams being around and the
(08:52):
light you know, you're crossing the five pointy Bridge and
you see the Cougar flag or the Washington state license plate.
I'm all good with that, right as long as we won.
If we didn't win, that was gonna bug the heck
out of me forever.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I mean I used to tell our guys that it's like, hey,
who can all these friends except for this one day?
We better take care of business on that one day.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
God, that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, Coach, I gotta tell you this is fascinating to
hear you say this, because if I would have suggested
when you were at UDB and any one of those
Thursday meetings Monday press conference that you are treating this
game any different than any other game on your schedule
would have gotten hammer.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You would have ripped my head off.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So you're saying that behind the scenes, yes, because there's
more juice on this show.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
There's more juice with the fans.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean, tickets are more expensive, I mean, obviously it's
a different deal, and it's fun to hear you admit that, Yeah,
it's a different deal.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Behind the scenes, I.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Love it, well, yeah, one hundred percent. And the other
thing is, you know, it was the last game of
the season, and so you know a lot of guys
are on fumes at that point, Guys are really beat up.
You know, you're patching your team together, and also you're
getting you're usually getting ready to play for something special.
You know that you win that game, heck, you might
(10:11):
be going to the conference championship, You're gonna go to
a better bowl game, and so you and then the
rivalry things always fun in college football. So at that point,
we did roll the dice differently, or we did change
our strategy and tactics because really, for the most part,
we did want to be one practice at a time,
one game at a time. That and that's so hard
(10:34):
to do, especially in this day and age with expectations,
you know everywhere. I feel really bad for a couple
of these programs that are out there and you can
see them kind of just trying to find their way
to Notre Dames, you know, the Michigan's Heck, I even
see some good programs out there that have not really
hit stride yet. Part of that is because of the
(10:56):
transfer portal and people still trying to really get aligned
with their new guys. But I also think it's because
of these weighty expectations. If they're thinking about the wrong things,
they're paying attention to the wrong things. They're not paying
attention to this one day at a time, and practice
is everything, and that next practice is everything, and then
(11:17):
the games we just go and cut it loose and
stress tests how we're doing in practice because I go
with a different I go with a different formula and
a different thought process. Like I don't think practice I
don't like to tellus practice is about learning. Oh it's
okay to go out there and make a bunch of mistakes.
If we go out there and make a bunch of missus,
we're not putting that stuff in if we can't get
(11:39):
this right. So to me, practice is about performance, and
we got to keep performing in practice at a high level.
Then that's going to carry over into the game. The
games are then about learning, and so you stress tests
all you know, do we get better or our scheme's
holding up? And then where you get your you know,
holes poked in your system, you go back and then
(12:00):
you try to clean that up in practice and you
build skill that way. So I think some there's just
a I feel bad for some of these kids because
society's telling them. You know, you're not getting the ball enough,
You're not proporlling enough. What's wrong with your team? You know,
you guys should be better than this, Like, no, you
should just get better today in practice and don't worry
about that darn game, and then cut it loose in
(12:20):
the game and have some fun playing the game and
then watch your performance improve.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Former Husky coach Chris Peterson joining us, he was a
perfect six and zero in the Apple Cups. But here's
what I'm worried about, coach, is that Jed Fish has
got a situation that you never had to deal with.
You never had to deal with forty fifty kids that
knew nothing about the Apple Cup. You never had to
deal with kids that didn't get to learn from juniors
(12:45):
and seniors and go through the battles on the sidelines
before they became starters. So how would you coach up
this team to understand the importance of this game when
half the team has no idea what the Apple Cup is.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
But Jed Fish has, you know, an idea what the
Apple Cup is, and so he'll make sure that those
guys are ready and they know the importance of that game.
Because the one guy that I know will have his
team ready to play is Jake Dickard because he knows
the importance of this day and those guys play well
in those games, and so he will have them ready,
(13:22):
and so and so will Jed Now the approach that
he takes, you know what's what's so darn different about
this game? You know it just it does feel different,
certainly to me, being so early in the season. You know,
you don't get a chance to follow each other so much,
playing at Luminfield like all that does feel different. But
you know, I've been so impressed with the job that
jeded Fish has done here. I mean a boy in
(13:44):
a short time to put together everything he's put together,
to recruit the talent in that he has, and really
to watch how they're operating at a super high level
has been really, really impressive. So I can't wait to
see this is really not because you know, I've been
involved with the Apple Up for a long time. If
I'm just a general football fan. I am really interested
in this game to see because to see where each
(14:08):
of these teams are. Washington did a great job against
Texas Tech. This will be far the best opponent at
Washington has played yet. And so to see where we are.
And I sit there and I look at Washington State schedule. Okay,
so Texas Tech people are thinking good things about them.
They just took care of them. Washington probably the biggest
(14:29):
team on their schedule. Then two weeks after that at
Boise State. Right, So, and not to get ahead of ourselves,
we can get ahead of ourselves, right softee, not the coaches,
not the players, I feel you the harm on board. Okay,
So they go down to Boise State and that's going
to be a heck of a game. And after that,
(14:49):
I mean, if they can win out there, they'd be
heavily favored I think in most of the games going forward.
So then once like they have a lot to play
for it this year. I mean that is really interesting
when I look at that as well. So this is
gonna be a fun game. I think both teams are
going to really go after each other. It's fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, I'm this is not a cakewalk for you Dub
at all. And I was talking to you know, your
old buddy, Christian Caple the other day, and both of
us agreed that if you Dub can beat Wazoo, that's
a that's a that's a good win, right, I mean,
that's not a win just to kind of brush off.
If they can beat this football team on Saturday with
fifty one new guys and all the energy coming from
Pullman's side, that's a good win. But the Johnny McTeer
(15:29):
thing keeps me up at night. You know, watching a
running quarterback scares the hell out of me. This rebuilt
offensive line for you Dub not really settled down yet
to where they want it to be. What would be
kind of your things that we should keep an eye on,
what would be the real, big time important factors schematically
in this game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah. If there's one thing that I maybe kind of
know about the Belichick system is they're going to figure
out what you really do good, and that is going
to be their entire mission in life is to stop
that one really good thing that you do. Like, we're
not going to get beat by that thing, right, and
(16:08):
obviously that one thing so far after two games that
Wazoo's you know, put on tape as Jeu Mattier and that,
and how he can run and not only you know
the quarterback run game that he's very good at, which
Steck creates a lot of problems. You know, when you
have a guy like that and you go into empty
and you know, do you have enough extra bodies to
you know, to make give enough defenders there to defend
(16:31):
and run as well as when he scrambles around to throw.
And when I see him scramble around to throw, I'm
not nearly as worried about him throwing that ball as
I am him tucking it and running it. And so
you know, certainly, if I know that, you know that.
You know Belichick and company over there know that, and
they will be having, you know, a lot of strategy
(16:54):
around how do we slow that guy down from his legs?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well, coach, most of these games have been fairly one
sided over the last fourteen years, but last year was not.
Last year went down to it and Softie and I
were debating what you would say before we had you
on one minute and seven seconds left. You're the head
coach of the Dogs. It's a tie ball. Game at
twenty one to twenty one. Are you going for it
(17:19):
on fourth and one at your own twenty nine yard
line like Caitlin de Bor did last year?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, of course I am. Did you not see how
that thing turned out? I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know, I'll tell you what. That's a situation where
you know your team inside out. That team had and
certainly that offense had more confidence than anybody at any
offense I've seen it in a long time, and you
know your team better than anyone from the outside. I'm like, hail, no,
(17:58):
I'm budding that football play some defense. But you see
what came and did and the confidence that he has
and you know panics and then roam. I mean, he's
just gonna put the ball into the best player's hand,
you know, the best players in college football's hands, and
so I get it. Like when you look at it
like that, you're like, yes, I get it. I mean,
go ahead, we'll roll with these guys and so. But
(18:20):
it was, you know, that's that's what college football is
all about. That's what those rivalries are all about. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, well I would have gone for it. I think
if they would have punted it, they would have lost
the game. But you know whatever, It's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You wouldn't come on because you're sitting there behind the mic,
and you got all the answers a year later, the
course you what it went for it? So I say
that I said in real time yes. And let me
tell you, softy, when seventy thousand people are breathing on
you and you got to make that all of a sudden,
it's like fourth and one and you're not really counting
on it being fourth and one and you got to
come up with that decision, things get a little bit different.
(18:54):
Your decision making patterns change quickly. It it's easy to
say that order to do well.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I can't say I would have run the same play,
but I definitely would have gone for it. I'm fourth
and one. I felt like I wasn't got the ball back.
They would have won the game. But you know what, Chris,
let me ask you a question, because you you you
sound happy. I mean, you sound like you're fun. You're
enjoying this TV thing. Not that you sounded miserable when
you were a head coach, but you really sound like
you're enjoying this. Has there been one second of one
day since you left coaching, where you thought to yourself, Man,
(19:22):
I made the wrong decision.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
No, no, no, no, not at all. You know we've talked
about this a bunch. I mean, I just this, This
was a long discussion. It is not for this time
right now. But you know I was not at my
best and I was I was sliding backwards. And that's
you know, I said that when I stepped away. I mean,
that was honest to God as truth tools I could be.
(19:44):
Didn't know why, you know, since then, I've made some
sense of things and and so, And at that time
I didn't know if I was going to come back
and coach again. I just knew know I needed a
break and they get some sense of things. But there
hasn't you know since that time. Then I looked back
and said, yeah, that was the wrong decision. Do I
I mean, do I miss the kids? Do I miss
(20:06):
our coaches? There's certain things about the job that you
can never get anywhere, So yes, but overall for delights
that I want to lead. Now, no, I don't say that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Good good for you. Well correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Any part of the reason you left was just because
the direction that college football was going and I feel, coach,
like it's even gone in hyper speed, even faster than
maybe you wouldn't even imagined that was going down that direction?
Is that has it changed even more than you thought
it was going to change in the four years that
you've been out.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
One hundred percent. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
You know, everybody would you know, joke with me, man,
how'd you see this coming? I'm like, Oh, I just
I just knew it. You know, It's like, yeah, I
knew it. Nobody could see this coming. And you know,
and I I think it's way too easy to get
for me to say, yeah, I didn't like the direction
of college football. That's why I stepped out. That was
(20:59):
not the first and foremost reason I stepped away. I
didn't like the way I was going. And I always
think it comes back to you and how we look
at things and how what our perspectives all about and
how and I was going down the wrong rabbit holes
on those things. And so you know, that's too easy
to say. You know that the whole industry that is
(21:21):
going south. So I decided to go somewhere different. I
just didn't do a good enough job taking care of
myself to be the leader and the head coach that
I needed to be, to really be, you know, excited
about things every day because I just you know, that's
all We talk to the kids too, and I believe it.
This is about us taking ownership of ourselves and our
lives and doing the things we need to do to
(21:43):
really to be the best we can. And I know
that just sounds like a lot of coach speak and
all those things, but you know, no one likes these
cliches and co speak, but really there's so much truth
into them. And if we could do a couple cliches
that you hear, if you could just pick out a
few and do them, your life would probably get a
lot better.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, no doubt. Hey, good stuff. Appreciate this. Hope you
enjoyed talking to us as much as we love talking
to you. All right, so let's let's do it again
very soon. Have fun doing the whole TV star thing
on Saturday, and we'll talk down the road.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
All right, Thanks coach.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
All right, let's have a great apple cup, all.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Right, man Chris Peterson with us on the radio show.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's great, and just having him admit that, yeah, we
looked at the apple Cup totally differently. We wanted to
win that game worse than any other game, and it
was totally different.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Behind the scenes. He lied to us. He lied to
us for six years. He would have killed you if
you asked him that us. And you know what I
mean to me, there's nothing wrong with it, dude. It's it, dude.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I mean, everybody knows it's a bigger game. Of course,
it's a bigger game. Players hear more stuff on social media.
They got more friends buzzing in their ear. It's a
completely different game. Why not just own it? Apparently they
always had been owning it behind the scenes. We're gonna
break Hugh Mellin's gonna join us at five o'clock right
here on ninety three three KJRFM. Now back to the
Washington State Beat Commissions Football Friday with SOFTI on your
(22:59):
home for the NFL Sports Radio ninety three point three.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
kJ a r FL. Hey let me real quick promote
tomorrow's radio show.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We're at the gantry, uh barn Grail next to the
Settle Team shop on Occidental right across from Loomingfield, so
great spot to party before the game. You have a
couple too many bloody marries. You literally roll to the
stadium like literally could roll across the street.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
That's my plan to the stadium, Is it really?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yes? It is.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't think I'm going there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You're gonna come by saving who will who whose blood
alcohol level will be higher? Jackson Feltzer Dick Vane at
eleven thirty tomorrow before.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Kickof I'm not driving. Yeah, definitely, Jackson, have a day,
definitely Jackson. The Sounders plays Sunday late afternoon. I'm gonna
have a day tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
See, I think his getting after it is different than
you're getting after it, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Right, Well, I'm gonna have am My planning is to
have like eight whiskey sprites or something with that.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Baby.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
He's got an advantage of being twenty years younger than
wait wait till you're fifteen. C Eight whiskeys sprites make
you feel here's my impression of me in about ten
thirty A and Merrow welcome back.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
The funest show we.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Ever did was from the David's Barn and Grill across
the street from Levi Stadium after the twenty sixteen Colorado game. Right,
we had to wait like an hour because we had
a high school football game on the air that went
to like quadruple overtime. By the time we got into
the air, Bart hammered, Millen hammered, me, buzzed, equipment soaked
in beer, and none of us were qualified to be
on the radio.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
But it was fun as hell.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That was one of the funnest shows I've ever done
is knocking off Colorado in sixteen.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
So tomorrow we're gonna have Here's what we got.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
We got Walter Bailey joining us to break down the
defensive play that led to him picking off Drew Bledsoe
in ninety one when he took him into the end
zone with him. We got Jake Locker on Tomorrow Morning
breaking down the touchdown pass the Jermaine curse that beat
Nolden Washington to win the Apple Cup in twenty ten
and put the Huskies into a bowl game for the
first time in seven years. We got Cason Williams on
(24:59):
Tomorrow's show breaking down leaping over that same guy in
Nolln Washington the very next year, in twenty eleven, the
last time the aftercaut was played at Loomin Field.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
We got Chris Peterson, who you just heard last segment.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
We got Greg Lewis, we got Marrow Basley, we got
Jeed Fish, we got Phil Steele with his preview for
tomorrow's game a ton coming tomorrow on the radio show
Can't wait to do It?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
I should think you've done enough work or prep for
this show. Wow, it is now time for we have
not done this in a while. You ready?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Here we go another edition of what did Nick Fane
learn on the Colin Coward Show that we can rip
off and play on the air today?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Well, you know, I listen a lot down when I'm
working out, and usually it's just kind of background noise
and I'll pay kind of like half attention. But when
anytime he starts talking about the Hawks, and anytime he
starts talking about Pete Carroll, John Schneider and even bringing
up our friend Mike Holmgren in the conversation, I thought,
all right, I'm gonna rewind this, I'm gonna record this
and we'll talk about it on the show.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
So for years and years there was a SAMs and
Paul Allen passed away and was ill that Pete kind
of filled that leadership. Boy, Pete was a franchise. So
John Sneyder was gonna lead to go to Detroit, was
offered the job, and then the Allen's like, Jody Allen
like get back here, will pay you. And then it
was very clear he only came back because he got
final say on all draft picks. Pete didn't have the
(26:20):
Jews And the last two drafts for John Snyder have
been great. So a lot of times, if a coach
is a super star, Andy Reid's very rare. Andy Reid
doesn't want to He wants to let Brett Beetz do
his stuff. But a lot of these coaches they want
say in drafting. And I mean Mike Holmgrian's one of
the all time great coaches. When he was with Seattle,
he did some He had a lot of power for
a while, and I always thought he had too much
(26:40):
power because he had some bad draft picks.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Being a coach is hard.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Belichick tried both.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
It failed.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
I thought Pete had too much power in Seattle for
about a four or five year stretch. But the last
two Seahawk drafts I'm watching, Seattle played Denver. Seattle is fast.
Those last two drafts for Seattle Snyder's run the shop
are outstanding.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Do we believe that. Do we believe?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I believe that he recorded that with a Mattel plastic Microsoft,
which I.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Had to get the audio.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
They only they only send out certain clips. I'm talking
about Pete Carroll, John Schneider is not something they're sending
out on social media.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, so you're a question, do we agree that they've
had what two great drafts in a row?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Snider?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But my question is he is he is making a
statement that Pete Carroll had final say until John Schneider
was going to leave to Detroit, and the only thing
that got John Schneider back to Seattle was that he
leapfrogged Pete Carroll as the grand Pooba of all things driving.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I mean, it's possible. I've never heard that up until now. Uh,
it's certainly possible that that is what happened. I do
remember John Schneider turning down the Lion's job.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
He was connected to it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't know if he was ever offered it, how
far they got, but it's it's it's not ridiculous to
think that, right, I'm I mean, John Schneider stayed here
for a reason, right, and he was at a point
in his career a couple of years ago where he
could have gone to any opening in the NFL and
been given ultimate authority over that entire franchise, and he
turned it down to stay in Seattle to work with
(28:14):
Pete Carroll. So either A he really really loved Pete
Carroll or B he was given more authority.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
I'll say this, I don't know if I would.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm not ready to talk about this year's draft because
those guys have played one week together. But here's who
they've gotten in the last two twenty twenty two, twenty
twenty three, Charles Cross, Boye Mafey, Kenny Walker, Abraham Lucas,
Riek Wolnd, Devin Witherspoon, Jackson Smith and Jigma, zach Scharbonnet,
Anthony Bradford, Kenny Macintosh, Big o' lou. I mean, dude,
(28:45):
there's some awesome names. Well, twenty twenty two in twenty
three looked like killer drafts for him.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
So his theory, and I don't know if it's as
much a theory as it is a statement, it kind
of checks out because he went on to talk about
how great Pete's drafts were early because Pete was a
college coach, and we talked about that before. Where Pete's
greatest drafts were in his few years where he recruited
for USC the guys that got drafted in twenty ten,
(29:13):
twenty eleven, twenty twelve, do you know those three years
in particular, And then it kind of fell off, right,
So at least the timeline makes sense. Pete does a
great job drafting because he knows all these guys from
college recruiting. Then it falls off, then it picks back
up again because John Schneider leapfrogs Pete Carroll in the
pecking order and starts drafting the guys he wants the
(29:35):
last two or threes. I don't know if it's true
or not, but at least it passes the sniff test.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Let's get a break, text and audios, and then Hugh
Millen gonna join us, by the way, coming up right here.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Never in one time ever heard your radio show.
Dave 'Softy' Mahler and Dick Fain News
Popular Podcasts
1. Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
2. Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations.
3. Crime Junkie
If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people.