November 16, 2025 • 34 mins
Former Marlins president David Samson joins the show to talk about Cal Raleigh, the Mariners offseason, and more.
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Speaker 4 (00:46):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
At a very close vote, Cayl Raley has finished seconds
in the American League MVP balloting, Aaron Judge getting seventeen
first place votes, Kyl Raley with thirteen first place votes.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Both players appeared in all thirty ballots.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Aaron Judge got the first place vote win and he
wins the MVP for the third time in his major
league career, the third player with three or more MVP
awards in a four season span, which is tied for
the most by the way in Yankee history. But congrats
to cal Raley finishing at number two in the MVP
race today behind Aaron Judge.
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What else we got?
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All right, We're back at the five twenty bar and grill.
Where again if you're just tuning in right now? Uh,
Cal Rowley has finished number two in the American League
MVP race behind there and judge, as we transitioned Andrews
to our.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Next second year on the Thank You Radio station.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
David Samson, former president of the Miami Marlins, will join
us on the radio show. Next segment, we'll get his
thoughts on this MVP vote, And like I told you
guys last segment, man, I'm just more kind of bummed
out than anything else. I'm not shocked, I'm not angry
about it. I think, Aaron Judge, you could make a
very very strong case that he deserved the MVP. You know, look,
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I think he's a much better all around hitter than
cal Raley is. I honestly thought that this was gonna
be his year, very close vote, and you wonder, you know,
will Kyle Rawley ever have a chance to get this close, because,
let's face it, guys, for cal Rally to ever win
the MVP, he's gonna have to put up a.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Home run season like this. Correct.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He's not an average hitter. He's not a guy that's
gonna lead the league in doubles. He's not a guy
that's gonna lead the league in ops. You know, he's
not gonna be a you know, twelve hundred ops guy,
not with his batting average.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Way it is, so cal Rawley.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Wants to climb into the MVP race, he's gonna have
to do it with a power surge. And you wonder
if we'll ever see anything like this ever again from him.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
By the way, Yeah, if Aaron Judge would have had
the year that he had in twenty twenty three, he
had in twenty twenty one, cal Rawley wins the MVP.
But Aaron Judge in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty four
and this season had over an eleven hundred ops all
three of those seasons.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So this is not unusual for what Aaron.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Judge has done.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, I mean he's again, he kind of blew cal
out of the water with a lot of the offensive
numbers except for you know, Homing Sexy one, which is
home runs and RBIs. I mean, obviously Judge was right
there with him as well. But I mean he's had
He's had four seasons now Aaron Judge has where he's
won the MVP three times. His OPS has been over
one thousand every single year, eleven hundred, as you said,
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in three of the four years, and like you just said,
there he won the MVP and every single one. So
I mean, look, I think I think cal Rawley is
such an amazing representative and such an amazing ambassador for
Seattle sports. I think he's the face of Seattle sports
and I've I've I've fought that for now a couple
of years, and I hope that this motivates everybody to
get him the help that he needs to be in
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the World Series. I mean, look, you had the numbers
and all that that cal Raley in the playoffs had,
you know, a ten eighty one ops in twelve games.
I mean, what more could he have done to put
this team into the World Series? For God's sake? So
let's hope this is the start of something. Obviously for
cal Rowley. The difference is is that you know, he's
going to be twenty nine years old and thirteen days
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from now. Yeah, right, I mean he's probably right in
the meat, if not the the tail end of.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
The meat of his career.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
As far as his elite play, Aaron Judge is still
obviously there as a fairly young guy actually thirty three.
I'm sorry but Aaron, but cal Raley is not twenty two.
He's not twenty three years old. So I just don't
know if he'll ever get this kind of shot again,
guys to win the NBA.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Well, if if you look at his war of the
last four years three to eight, three, two, four, six
and then the huge jump to seven, right, and my question,
that's just going to be looming for this entire offseason.
Is is I'll rally now a six plus war guy
going forward over the next three or four years, or
is he more like a four and a half war
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guy than he was last year?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Which is still awesome, Fine, still awesome.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
But if he's a four and a half war guy,
then this is the last time he will ever be
considered right for the MVP.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's why it's kind of a bummer that if there
was ever going to be a time to win it
right now and he may never get a shot like
this ever again. All right, let's do this the former
president of the Miami Marlins. Always great to have him on.
David Sampson's going to join after a break live from
the five twenty Bar and Grill in Bellvue on ninety
three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (06:53):
All Right, we're back at the five twenty Bar and
Grill in Bellevue. We'll have our friend Taylor come on
the year and make her selection. Actually, we can't have
her make a selection tonight because the games are correct.
You know, when you're watching to see if one of
your guys wins the MVP, you get a little bit distracted.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was amazing watching you the last hour because you
and I were sitting here thinking, hey, let's put her
on a five forty five, and we said that like
ten minutes ago when the game had already started. All right,
So no tailor tonight, but we'll find a way to
qualify somebody for a fifty dollars gift card of the
five forty Bar and Grill.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Maybe David Samson wants it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The former president of the Miami Marlins the Nothing Personal
Podcast is joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Dave. We're kind of a little bit bummed out.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We're not shocked, but we're a little bummed out that
our guy Cal did not win the MVP. It went
to Aaron Judge, what was your take on the vote
that came down in the last half hours.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
So, man, I think that's a really appropriate response to
be bummed, but not shocked. It doesn't take away from
the season he had. It doesn't take away from what
Seattle did and the and the run that you guys
had in October that came oh so close to making
it to the World Series.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
All in all, it's hard.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
It's hard right now, but you'll look back on twenty
twenty five as one hell of a ride. And this
was sort of a This would have been a bonus,
like getting to ride again after the park's closed. You know,
deep down it's not going to happen, but you can
hope and hope and hope until they kick you out
of the park. And today you got kicked out.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Of the park.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
David, What is cal going forward, particularly while he's still
in his prime. Is he a six to seven war
guy for the next couple of three years or is
he more like, you know, a three and a half
four war guy.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
You know, the worst part about the season he had
is that now the expectation is that that's going to
be the season he's going to have and that this
will be more of not an anomaly. And there's a chance,
but my god, it's unlikely. And that doesn't mean he
can't be a productive player and one of the best
players in the game and a top ten MVP player
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and lead the Mariners to another successful year next year.
But it just seems like expecting him to have the
type of season he had from a health standpoint, defense, offense,
special teams, the whole thing, it's just hard to make
that the norm of the back of your baseball card.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, it just feels like this is the closest he'll
ever get to winning the American League MVP, and that's
kind of what the what the bummer is for him,
no doubt. But David Samson again with us, Dave, let
me go back to what you're saying about the ride
that the Mariners had, And I'm just wondering, and we
talked to you know, Jim Bowden about this, right Dick
a couple of weeks ago, about how much this will
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motivate ownership. You know, I mean, these guys are human, obviously,
but they're also businessmen.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Do you get the.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Sense that John Stanton, Chris Larsen, the Mariner brass will
feel how close they came and tell themselves we really
got to now go after this.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
We really are.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Motivated now to make a run and get Seattle a
World Series. How much will the burn in a memory
of the owners of that baseball team.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Well, it definitely burns.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
But I draw your attention to last year's NLCS where
the Mets lost to the Dodgers and the Mets or
the Mets, and they had a productive offseason, brought in
Juan Soto who everyone was so super excited about. He
had an MVP type year, but not you know, as
it relates.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
To catching show.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Hey, and the Mets didn't make the playoffs the next
this season. So it's really hard to just say you're.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Going to have a repeat of what happened.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
But if you bring back extra players, or you make
sure Nailer and Suarez stay and you run it back
quote unquote, that you'll get back to within fifty four
outs or really twenty seven outs. Wait a minute, really
six outs, and this time you'll get over the hump.
It's hard to really repeat what happens during a particular season.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
So that's not what burns inside an owner.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
What burns inside an owner is saying, all right, we
see the formula, now let's keep doing that. And that
formula is putting together a team adding to it at
the deadline and then hoping that you can run through October.
That's all you can ask for as a fan base
or an owner.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Frankly, well, Jerry Depotos made it no secret that he's
going to go after Josh Naylor. But if you were
Josh Naylor's agent, David, what would you be telling him
right now?
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well? Remember I drafty man. I remember we drafted Josh Naylor.
And I'm so proud of his career and so happy,
obviously because I'm selfish and makes me look good that
he's still playing and still productive. But he's not married
to Seattle. It was a great run. It's going to
take market to get him back, and this is his moment,
and so he is going to extract the last year
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and the last dollar that he can. And it's not
that he didn't love it, which I'm sure he did.
It's not that he didn't enjoy the run.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Which she did.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
It's just about taking advantage of where you are and
the trajectory of your career and in the ability to
make earnings.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
That's really what it is for the players.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, okay, so then let's talk about I mean, your quote,
the money quote is going to extract the last dollar
that he can, which I don't blame him at all.
He's a free agent, right he may never get this
chance again to own the market the way he's about
to potentially in free agency. Do you see any realistic scenario,
Dave where that last dollar should not come from the Mariners?
Speaker 7 (12:20):
I do, because this is where the burn comes.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Remember the burn that you described that you want the
owner to feel. You got to make sure that's not
the same burn where you get burnt by your emotions
and over pain. The way the Mariners were able to
do this was as a team, and I would always
tell ownership, don't ever forget about the Angels with Otani
and Trout and nary a playoff win, don't ever forget
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about the balance that you need. You know, it's always
been pitching in Seattle. And then you add to the
offense to the deadline, and it clicks and all of
a sudden you're in a position to be there.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
That's a great formula.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
You need to keep some powder dry to add at
the deadline, some offense. You need to see if you
need help in your bullpen, which every team does, and
you want to have that available during the season. So
what I always would suggest to owners is take your
incremental playoff revenue and put it into your in season budget.
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You don't have to blow it at the winter meetings.
You don't have to sign the sexy free agent or
retain your free agent, because frankly, retaining your own free agent, you're.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
Not getting better.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
You're staying the same right and you're just getting You know,
it's getting more expensive. But take that incremental revenue allocated
to making your team better during the course of the year,
when real decisions get made about your team and the
prospects of October.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Well, you would only have to overpay Naylor if someone
else offers way more than market value. Do you think
someone is going to offer way more than market value
for him?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Wait?
Speaker 7 (13:53):
I misunderstood that.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
How How exactly do we know when the agents are
telling us that they've got offers from our competitive at
a number, then it's the number they want, and they
say they have it, and they're hoping that one of
us blinks.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
So I just don't know how to answer that question.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't know what market value
is for him. I got no idea.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I mean, I I Dave, I've always just thought that
market value is whatever the market bears. Whatever the best
offer is that he can get is what he's worth.
I mean, you know, but if they if they lose him,
you know, Pete Alonzo, do the Mariners make a run there?
I mean, what's the what's the what's the saving face
for the Mariners? Because keep in mind, they gave up
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potentially a first basement of the future and lockleyer to
get Naylor. I mean, he's gone, He's in Arizona. So
what do you do to replace him? If you're John
Stanton and Jerry.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Depoto, it's a funny question because do you regret that
trade given that you didn't win the World Series?
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Or are you happy with it?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I'm happy that.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Yeah, that's where I am. I agree.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I I can't worry about and I'm the king of
trading prospects away who become long time major lead. But
you know what, I don't regret one of them. And
I made so many mistakes doing it because we never
won another World Series after three. But man, I love
to try and I would always want to help our
team today and yeah, I could be sacrificing tomorrow, but man,
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I've learned in my personal life. You just don't know
what tomorrow is, and certainly in baseball, you don't know
what tomorrow is either. So I think what Seattle did
is what you'd want your team to do. And in
terms of the market, that's where you need Jerry Depoto
to actually be good with his lieutenants, because you need
to mark every player to market. You put on a
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piece of paper for your owner what a player is
worth in a vacuum, not competing against another team, but
what you would pay that player, and then you see
what the owner would do above that if they're burning
or if they're emotional. But you put in front of
the owner what Nailer's is to you and for me,
are you really going to go five years for Josh Nayler?
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Is that really a and that you would suggest is proper?
Speaker 7 (16:03):
I just don't know that I would Well.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I just just real quick, just a correction. So the
lockleyer wasn't directly involved in the Nailor deal. He went
to the d Backs for Suarez, but they did give
him up, you know, they did, you know, allow him
to walk away to Ashton? Is he and Brandon Garcia
do they though think though that? Hey, if there's ever
a year, though, David to maybe go a little bit
above what we're comfortable with.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Maybe at another year.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's right now because of the window that we're in
with this pitching staff and the roster that we have.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Again?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I did that all the time. You know, you want
to get the players so badly during the offseason. You
want to win the offseason because it feels good to
the fans, it feels good to you, and you give
the extra year. But all of a sudden, that extra
year comes quick and you are despondent, beyond repair. And
that is the toughest battle in front office's faith when
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they look themselves.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
In the mirror.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
What's an extra year? I probably won't even have a job,
and half the fans I just can get good press
for the now, I can have a great press conference.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Let me not worry about it.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
But as an owner or a team president, you've got
to think about that because that extra year comes. So
you just struck the most important decisions that a front
office makes. It's really easy to give in. I mean,
who can't give in to an agent's request. You don't
need to be a skilled GM to give in, Like
I don't need my GM to tell me that Shoeo
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Tani is a good player that doesn't add value. I
want him to find value for me and over pain
a player is not hard to do.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Those are wise words.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
David Sampson joining US, would it make sense for this
team to bring back Gino Suarez or pivot to a
younger player like Williamson.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I would not bring him back.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I think that when you're looking at how you win,
one of the things what was amazing about Toronto? If
you had to sum up what was the thing you
looked at their team and said, whoa I'd like to
be like that. Well, I'll answer, so we saved time.
In my mind it was one through nine. There was
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always the possibility that those guys were putting the ball
in play, and when you put the ball and play,
good things happen. And I just don't think so far
as puts the ball and play enough. It's sexy when
he goes deep, but I'd want a guy putting That's
to me when I looked at Toronto and said, wow,
they just they put the ball in play all through
the lineup.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah. What do you make of David?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
A good David Sampson, nothing personal pod Cast, former president
of the Marlins. Always love having them on with us
on the air. What do you think happens with Trek Scuobel.
We've got some pipe dreams about him maybe coming to
Seattle where he played college baseball in Seattle.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
What do you make of the school situation?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Man, if you're Chris Ilich, the owner of the Tigers,
you had a team, it was right there.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
This year, you.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Bring him back and ride him to the end and
let him sign somewhere else you can get another year
out of him.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
I would not give in.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Boris will only allow him to sign a ridiculous deal.
I call it the Strasbourg, and that's how you get
a player to re sign before they become a free agent,
and that will hurt the team. Every time you cannot
do a deal with a Boris client, you will lose.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
And owners are beginning to.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Realize that, yes, they could get a lot for him
now or at the deadline, but I would hold him
and I would get back to October and try to
have a better run.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
If I'm the Tigers, what type of compensation would they
get for him now versus what type of compensation would
they get July thirty. First, let's say if they're five
hundred and really not in the mix for a World Series.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
You obviously get more now because the team gets six
months of him versus two months of him. But the
question is the acquire or will they have the ability
to negotiate with Boris to get him to sign with
the team that gets him, And if so, then they'd
be willing to give up more than if you were
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just a two month rental. So there's three levels, the
six month rental, the two month rental, or the window
to negotiate, and you're going to sign him long term,
and that obviously would be the most compensation.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, David, what you said earlier, I think a lot
of us agree with that. This just can't be the
off season of Josh Naylor. And that's it, right, I think, Dick,
you asked me a few weeks ago, would you be
okay if all they did was and I said no,
I mean that's your status quo, like you need to
get better, you need a right fielder, or you need
to get some bullpen help, you need a third basement.
Because I agree with you, David, I think Suarez is
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gone after this year, So what would be reasonable for
this baseball team. Are we talking Alex Bregman, Are we
talking Kyle Tucker? Were talking Kyle Schwarber, Bulbushitt? I mean, honestly, like,
what is a reasonable expectation that Mariner fans should have
as we they had into free agency?
Speaker 7 (21:02):
I think that if you get one name that you
guys like.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
That should be more than enough to pacify you.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
And what I would want is.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Four other guys that you don't have a good opinion of.
But my baseball guys think are going to help me
win games? Right, I want to make my team better.
I don't need to do it with the top ten
free agents. I've tried that it doesn't work. The way
to win is to have really good players how sexy
And I hate to go back to Toronto. Yeah, they
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brought in Vladimir they re signed him, but man, they
won because they had a lot of sexy stuff going
on throughout that lineup with players that no one could name.
And that's the type of offseason I want to see
Seattle have where they show that they are a good
front office, which they are.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
David as a Mariner, al Pield fine with a Rose Arena,
Julio Roblace and Canzone.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Well, you know, I'm a huge Julio guy, and having him,
you know, Rozarina.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
For me, he's trending down.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
It's not that he's not a serviceable Major leaguer, but
he is not. I'm not sure that he is a
championship caliber player. And it's hard to get nine of them.
I will grant you that, and Julio may count is
more than one of them, and so you can have
sort of a negative one somewhere else.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
So interesting.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Any outfield with Julio is an above average outfield.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, yeah, Well let me wrap it up with this.
David Sampson is with us again, the former president of
the Miami Marlins, and a lot of people said if
the Dodgers win the World Series again, that's going to
be bad for baseball because that will inspire the owners
to potentially lock out the players to strike whatever. Are
we looking at a lockout you think or a workstoppage
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of some kind after this twenty twenty sixth season comes
to an end.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I would say, you are, but it has nothing to
do with the Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
When the World Series, I think that it was headed
that way whether the Brewers won the World Series or not, honestly,
and there's some major economic issues where there's a fundamental
disagreement between two sides, and when that exists, you have
to get right to the edge of extinction. And so
you've got to get to the lockout. You've got to
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get remember what happened last CBA, where the arguments were
not nearly as bad, there was not nearly the vitriol,
and we had the lockout that led to missing the
first two weeks and making the season last into November.
People forgot about that already, but that was only a
few years ago, and so I think we're going to
have to get to that point again. And you got
to get to the pain point. Remember, players are not
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getting paid now. They don't miss a paycheck until April one,
and roughly, I mean the season starts March twenty fifth,
but roughly that. And so it's very difficult to assert
leverage when leverage does not exist, and both sides would
like some leverage, and to get it, the owners probably
will need to lock out the players.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You think in our lifetime we'll see a salary cap.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
In Major League Baseball?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, No, I do not all right, David, great stuff.
I appreciate you staying up late for us on the
East Coast. Always love having you on. You're the man, Hey, Dave.
I'm in bed by seven o'clock every night. I got
off the air and go right to bed. All right,
So we appreciate you staying up. Well, I mean how
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long you stay up?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Are you a night out? What time you going to
bed tonight?
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:31):
So I record my show at seven am, I start
the pre production meeting at five forty am, and I
generally go to bed around three am, so I am
not much of a sleeper, but I do appreciate you
giving me the credit of staying up to do the show.
I would tell you that I'm always happy to be
on with you guys.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh, I just say this, then, what I said about
you staying up late for est forget about it.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
I didn't mean it.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
All right, Dave, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Thanks, gangs, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Take it all right, David Samson, I want to come
back at talk about that, he said. Basically, the list
of guys I just rallied off a few of them, obviously, Schwarbur, Tucker, Bashet,
whatever he says, Hey, if you can get one of
those guys one decent you know name free agent.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
That includes Naylor two.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
By the way, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Don't think it does, but we'll talk about it next.
On ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
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Speaker 2 (25:37):
All right, we're back on a busy Thursday night right
here on ninety three three KJRFM. We got hockey coming
up tonight seven o'clock with the Winnipeg Jets and the
Kraken pregame six thirty face off at seven from Climate
Pledge Arena, early second quarter, by the way, over on
nine point fifty am. Jets Patriots tight at seven right
now from New England.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So we'll keep an eye on that game. But I
got the.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Big story topically for right now would be Cal Rowley,
who did not win the American League MVP. You're just
tuning in today, Aaron Judge winning the American League MVP
in a very very close vote. I believe I saw
the closest vote since twenty nineteen, Aaron Judge getting seventeen
first place votes. Well, Kyle Riley got thirteen. Kyle Riley's
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sixty home run season not enough to win the American
League MVP. And you know, look, I mean you kind
of turn the page a little bit now. It kind
of felt like we were waiting to see what happened tonight,
and now we can turn the page on free agency
and start talking about making this team better in a
lot of ways to give Cal the best shot to
have another great season like you had this year.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, the night the last piece of twenty twenty five.
That's right, twenty twenty five season was just an hour ago.
But I appreciated David Sampson's take on free agency. And
I think, you know, I treat Josh Naylor a little
bit differently than I treat some of those other guys
that you mentioned, you know, the Boba Schets and Alex
Bragman's and those other guys. I mean, if I'm gonna
spend money on a free agent, I'm gonna spend money
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on a guy that I know.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Is going to be great here, And that was Josh Naylor.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
And still there's a price tag though, and and I
think David Sampson.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Put it very very well.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
You have to be comfortable with the price you put
on a piece of paper to Josh Naylor, that that's
the willing that's the amount of money and the years.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You're willing to pay that particular player.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
And you can't get too caught up in the motion
of what just happened over the last couple of months.
And so I appreciated his take. I do want Josh
Naylor back a lot, and I want him more than
I want any of those other names that were mentioned,
because I know he's good here and he works here.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I guess I just don't understand what emotion you're getting
caught up in.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well, that's what those are the words that he he
But what.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Do you like? What do you What does he mean
by that? What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I think I think he just meant be. He just
meant you can't you can't use the emotion of.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
The last month and a half to affect that check
book in the off season. I think that was the
point he was trying to meet at least that's what
I heard from him.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, I just guys, I just I don't know, man.
I mean, I can feel myself just getting pissed off
already about this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Because you're gonna be I'm promising you that right now.
But Andrews, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I don't want I get accused by Dick and other
people of just wanting to go out there and just
throw money out there. Just take money and just toss
it out the window, like there's that jiff of the
kid opening the window and just throwing money out there.
I'm doing that if there's a good player receiving it, right, Okay, Right.
I feel like there's this idea that, well, if you
spend big money, then clearly that's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
That's crap.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Because what I feel like the problem with the Mariners
has been is that they cut off one of the
best avenues available to making the baseball team better, and
that's free agency.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Right. They've got a wonderful farm system full of ammunition.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay, they've made some really good trades, there's no question
about that. But when it comes to being involved in
getting the best players available to come play for you,
I just feel like they cut themselves off and they
don't give themselves that chance, not because they're.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Cheap, Potentially maybe they just can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I mean, I got no idea what John Stanton's personal
financial situation is, or Chris Larsen or the guy that
they Brad Smith is at his name, the Microsoft guy
that came on board. I don't have any idea what
these dudes bank accounts look like. I got no idea,
And I don't even care if they spend money. All
I'm looking at is the player. And typically in free agency,
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if you want a really, really good player who's gonna
give you a better chance of success than not, sometimes
you do have to spend a little more money than
what you're comfortable doing. And like I'm looking at Josh Naylor,
for example, and I see a guy last year for
the Mariner. This is why I just kind of bristled
a little bit. I don't mean to do it at you,
by the way, Ristle a little bit at the whole
(30:01):
emotion thing.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
What what emotion do you need?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
When you look at Josh Naylor and in twenty six
games at T Mobile Park he had a ten to
fifteen ops.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
No, it's very that's not a motion I want him back.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
That's just pure data.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So when I asked, David, can you see a realistic
scenario where Josh Naylor walks away and the MS can't
be the team to pay him the last dollar he's
looking for? I don't think there is.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
If I'm wrong and somebody offers him fifty million dollars
a year, then okay, whatever. But my god, if there's
ever a year and ever a time in Mariner baseball
history to maybe give out a little more than you
might feel comfortable with and take a little bit of
a bigger risk pick than you might feel comfortable with,
it's with this guy on this team this year.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yes, and I am totally with you when it comes
to Josh Naylor one hundred percent. But I'm also with
David Sampson, and we've talked about this many many times
in the past. I think his quote was was awesome
when he says that last season his quote was that
last season of the contract of the big balloon contract
comes very fast and it's agonizing. So that is that
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is what I don't want the Mariners to do. I
don't want the Mariners to be stuck with contracts of
thirty three thirty four year old guys that can't play
anymore making twenty five million dollars a year, because you
know what will happen then to the franchise. They'll be like, Hey,
we can't buy this guy. We can't buy this guy.
We can't buy this guy because we're paying this dude
that's thirty three to twenty five million, and that we
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have got to stay out of that situation.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I just that's on them though. They don't need
to worry about that if they don't want him, but
they do worry about it.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I think most teams worry about it.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, let's get the mets of the Dodgers. I
mean again, if you win the World Series, who cares?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I mean if you if you get the job done. Like,
if you're telling me that you're gonna pay Josh Naylor?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
What is Josh?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Is he thirty one? How Josh twenty? Okay, so let's
say you give him a five year deal. Right, he's
twenty years old? When does he turn twenty nine? When's
his birthday? But look, I got it right in front
of me. Josh Naylor is gonna be twenty nine years
old in June. Okay, so he's a young twenty eight right,
it's my age, right, Great, So Andrews, you can have
a five year, hundred and whatever moon. And I look
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back five years from now when Josh Naylor is gonna
be thirty three years old, and I see, Andrews, give
me a number. Give me an average per year number
for Josh Naylor salary. Man, Yes, ye, how many? How
about a year twenty five mil, twenty five million? Okay,
let's say it's twenty eight million. First of all, twenty
eight million dollars in five years from now is not
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gonna look anything like twenty five million, twenty eight million
dollars today. And if I can get a World Series
done in the next four years, and Josh Naylor is
a huge part of that, am I gonna sit around
in two thousand and thirty thinking to myself, God, look
at that twenty eight million dollar tab that's coming due
on Josh Naylor. Then I'll turn my head and I'll
(33:03):
see a World Series trophy in my trophy case.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
So, so what I.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Mean, you'd make Josh Nayler the second highest paid First,
I'm not saying I well, because that's twenty million, But
that's to day.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
He won't be the second highest paid first patiment in
baseball in two years from now or three years from now.
It's the same thing with the Quarterbacks, right, exact same
conversation because Alable, right, I just don't I I cannot
sit around with this pitching staff and Julio and Cal
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and the young talent that I've got and not make
a deal because I'm scared to overpay a guy in
five years from now. If I cost myself a chance
at a championship now, If I don't give myself a
best chance at a championship now because I'm too concerned
about a guy's salary in two thousand and thirty, I'm
not doing the job I gotta do as an owner.
I mean, I get that these guys have budget stick.
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I totally understand that, one hundred percent right on that.
But if you win a World Series in the next
four years, are we gonna be sitting around in twenty
thirty going, man, this is great, but holy poop, look
at the money we own.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Naylor.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I don't know, I just got I got a hard
time digesting that that thought process, guys, I really do
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
Listen to you often because you're not interesting.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
At a very close vote, Cayl Raley has finished seconds
in the American League MVP balloting, Aaron Judge getting seventeen
first place votes, Kyl Raley with thirteen first place votes.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Both players appeared in all thirty ballots.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Aaron Judge got the first place vote win and he
wins the MVP for the third time in his major
league career, the third player with three or more MVP
awards in a four season span, which is tied for
the most by the way in Yankee history. But congrats
to cal Raley finishing at number two in the MVP
race today behind Aaron Judge.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Cracking to night against the Winnipeg Jets at seven o'clock
right here on ninety three point three KJRFM. That moves
the Thursday night game over to nine fifty am, New
England also taking on the Jets. Who would win a
football game between the Winnipeg Jets and the New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Jalen Sundal, Seahawks center did not practice yesterday. Tory Horton
Ernest Jones were also limited yesterday for the Seahawks. Nick
emn Warri apparently there's a Rookie of the Week award
in the NFL he wonted today. How about that NCAA
has vacated fourteen wins from Michigan State from twenty twenty
two to twenty twenty four due to the participation of
(01:57):
three ineligible players under Miltucker watch, which means Jonathan Smith
has zero wins.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Michigan's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
What else we got?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Utah ad Mark Harlan returning to the College Football Playoff
Selection Committee Arkansas AD Hunter year at Check is the
new chairman after Baylor AD and selection chair Mac Rhoades
stepped aside to it take a personal leave of absence.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And the MLS has thankfully scrapped their idea of this
MLS season pass and they will now air all their
games to all Apple ninety subscribers next season for free.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Is that correct? Yapp? Okay?
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Good?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But you still have to have Apple TV though, right? Yes,
all right, well that's better than nothing. I guess what
else we got? You mentioned the crack in the night?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
All right, We're back at the five twenty bar and grill.
Where again if you're just tuning in right now? Uh,
Cal Rowley has finished number two in the American League
MVP race behind there and judge, as we transitioned Andrews
to our.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Next second year on the Thank You Radio station.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
David Samson, former president of the Miami Marlins, will join
us on the radio show. Next segment, we'll get his
thoughts on this MVP vote, And like I told you
guys last segment, man, I'm just more kind of bummed
out than anything else. I'm not shocked, I'm not angry
about it. I think, Aaron Judge, you could make a
very very strong case that he deserved the MVP. You know, look,
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I think he's a much better all around hitter than
cal Raley is. I honestly thought that this was gonna
be his year, very close vote, and you wonder, you know,
will Kyle Rawley ever have a chance to get this close, because,
let's face it, guys, for cal Rally to ever win
the MVP, he's gonna have to put up a.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Home run season like this. Correct.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He's not an average hitter. He's not a guy that's
gonna lead the league in doubles. He's not a guy
that's gonna lead the league in ops. You know, he's
not gonna be a you know, twelve hundred ops guy,
not with his batting average.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Way it is, so cal Rawley.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Wants to climb into the MVP race, he's gonna have
to do it with a power surge. And you wonder
if we'll ever see anything like this ever again from him.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
By the way, Yeah, if Aaron Judge would have had
the year that he had in twenty twenty three, he
had in twenty twenty one, cal Rawley wins the MVP.
But Aaron Judge in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty four
and this season had over an eleven hundred ops all
three of those seasons.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So this is not unusual for what Aaron.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Judge has done.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, I mean he's again, he kind of blew cal
out of the water with a lot of the offensive
numbers except for you know, Homing Sexy one, which is
home runs and RBIs. I mean, obviously Judge was right
there with him as well. But I mean he's had
He's had four seasons now Aaron Judge has where he's
won the MVP three times. His OPS has been over
one thousand every single year, eleven hundred, as you said,
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in three of the four years, and like you just said,
there he won the MVP and every single one. So
I mean, look, I think I think cal Rawley is
such an amazing representative and such an amazing ambassador for
Seattle sports. I think he's the face of Seattle sports
and I've I've I've fought that for now a couple
of years, and I hope that this motivates everybody to
get him the help that he needs to be in
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the World Series. I mean, look, you had the numbers
and all that that cal Raley in the playoffs had,
you know, a ten eighty one ops in twelve games.
I mean, what more could he have done to put
this team into the World Series? For God's sake? So
let's hope this is the start of something. Obviously for
cal Rowley. The difference is is that you know, he's
going to be twenty nine years old and thirteen days
(05:25):
from now. Yeah, right, I mean he's probably right in
the meat, if not the the tail end of.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
The meat of his career.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
As far as his elite play, Aaron Judge is still
obviously there as a fairly young guy actually thirty three.
I'm sorry but Aaron, but cal Raley is not twenty two.
He's not twenty three years old. So I just don't
know if he'll ever get this kind of shot again,
guys to win the NBA.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Well, if if you look at his war of the
last four years three to eight, three, two, four, six
and then the huge jump to seven, right, and my question,
that's just going to be looming for this entire offseason.
Is is I'll rally now a six plus war guy
going forward over the next three or four years, or
is he more like a four and a half war
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guy than he was last year?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Which is still awesome, Fine, still awesome.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
But if he's a four and a half war guy,
then this is the last time he will ever be
considered right for the MVP.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's why it's kind of a bummer that if there
was ever going to be a time to win it
right now and he may never get a shot like
this ever again. All right, let's do this the former
president of the Miami Marlins. Always great to have him on.
David Sampson's going to join after a break live from
the five twenty Bar and Grill in Bellvue on ninety
three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (06:53):
All Right, we're back at the five twenty Bar and
Grill in Bellevue. We'll have our friend Taylor come on
the year and make her selection. Actually, we can't have
her make a selection tonight because the games are correct.
You know, when you're watching to see if one of
your guys wins the MVP, you get a little bit distracted.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was amazing watching you the last hour because you
and I were sitting here thinking, hey, let's put her
on a five forty five, and we said that like
ten minutes ago when the game had already started. All right,
So no tailor tonight, but we'll find a way to
qualify somebody for a fifty dollars gift card of the
five forty Bar and Grill.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Maybe David Samson wants it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The former president of the Miami Marlins the Nothing Personal
Podcast is joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Dave. We're kind of a little bit bummed out.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We're not shocked, but we're a little bummed out that
our guy Cal did not win the MVP. It went
to Aaron Judge, what was your take on the vote
that came down in the last half hours.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
So, man, I think that's a really appropriate response to
be bummed, but not shocked. It doesn't take away from
the season he had. It doesn't take away from what
Seattle did and the and the run that you guys
had in October that came oh so close to making
it to the World Series.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
All in all, it's hard.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
It's hard right now, but you'll look back on twenty
twenty five as one hell of a ride. And this
was sort of a This would have been a bonus,
like getting to ride again after the park's closed. You know,
deep down it's not going to happen, but you can
hope and hope and hope until they kick you out
of the park. And today you got kicked out.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Of the park.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
David, What is cal going forward, particularly while he's still
in his prime. Is he a six to seven war
guy for the next couple of three years or is
he more like, you know, a three and a half
four war guy.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
You know, the worst part about the season he had
is that now the expectation is that that's going to
be the season he's going to have and that this
will be more of not an anomaly. And there's a chance,
but my god, it's unlikely. And that doesn't mean he
can't be a productive player and one of the best
players in the game and a top ten MVP player
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and lead the Mariners to another successful year next year.
But it just seems like expecting him to have the
type of season he had from a health standpoint, defense, offense,
special teams, the whole thing, it's just hard to make
that the norm of the back of your baseball card.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, it just feels like this is the closest he'll
ever get to winning the American League MVP, and that's
kind of what the what the bummer is for him,
no doubt. But David Samson again with us, Dave, let
me go back to what you're saying about the ride
that the Mariners had, And I'm just wondering, and we
talked to you know, Jim Bowden about this, right Dick
a couple of weeks ago, about how much this will
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motivate ownership. You know, I mean, these guys are human, obviously,
but they're also businessmen.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Do you get the.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Sense that John Stanton, Chris Larsen, the Mariner brass will
feel how close they came and tell themselves we really
got to now go after this.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
We really are.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Motivated now to make a run and get Seattle a
World Series. How much will the burn in a memory
of the owners of that baseball team.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Well, it definitely burns.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
But I draw your attention to last year's NLCS where
the Mets lost to the Dodgers and the Mets or
the Mets, and they had a productive offseason, brought in
Juan Soto who everyone was so super excited about. He
had an MVP type year, but not you know, as
it relates.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
To catching show.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Hey, and the Mets didn't make the playoffs the next
this season. So it's really hard to just say you're.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Going to have a repeat of what happened.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
But if you bring back extra players, or you make
sure Nailer and Suarez stay and you run it back
quote unquote, that you'll get back to within fifty four
outs or really twenty seven outs. Wait a minute, really
six outs, and this time you'll get over the hump.
It's hard to really repeat what happens during a particular season.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
So that's not what burns inside an owner.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
What burns inside an owner is saying, all right, we
see the formula, now let's keep doing that. And that
formula is putting together a team adding to it at
the deadline and then hoping that you can run through October.
That's all you can ask for as a fan base
or an owner.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Frankly, well, Jerry Depotos made it no secret that he's
going to go after Josh Naylor. But if you were
Josh Naylor's agent, David, what would you be telling him
right now?
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well? Remember I drafty man. I remember we drafted Josh Naylor.
And I'm so proud of his career and so happy,
obviously because I'm selfish and makes me look good that
he's still playing and still productive. But he's not married
to Seattle. It was a great run. It's going to
take market to get him back, and this is his moment,
and so he is going to extract the last year
(11:41):
and the last dollar that he can. And it's not
that he didn't love it, which I'm sure he did.
It's not that he didn't enjoy the run.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Which she did.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
It's just about taking advantage of where you are and
the trajectory of your career and in the ability to
make earnings.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
That's really what it is for the players.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, okay, so then let's talk about I mean, your quote,
the money quote is going to extract the last dollar
that he can, which I don't blame him at all.
He's a free agent, right he may never get this
chance again to own the market the way he's about
to potentially in free agency. Do you see any realistic scenario,
Dave where that last dollar should not come from the Mariners?
Speaker 7 (12:20):
I do, because this is where the burn comes.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Remember the burn that you described that you want the
owner to feel. You got to make sure that's not
the same burn where you get burnt by your emotions
and over pain. The way the Mariners were able to
do this was as a team, and I would always
tell ownership, don't ever forget about the Angels with Otani
and Trout and nary a playoff win, don't ever forget
(12:45):
about the balance that you need. You know, it's always
been pitching in Seattle. And then you add to the
offense to the deadline, and it clicks and all of
a sudden you're in a position to be there.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
That's a great formula.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
You need to keep some powder dry to add at
the deadline, some offense. You need to see if you
need help in your bullpen, which every team does, and
you want to have that available during the season. So
what I always would suggest to owners is take your
incremental playoff revenue and put it into your in season budget.
(13:18):
You don't have to blow it at the winter meetings.
You don't have to sign the sexy free agent or
retain your free agent, because frankly, retaining your own free agent, you're.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
Not getting better.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
You're staying the same right and you're just getting You know,
it's getting more expensive. But take that incremental revenue allocated
to making your team better during the course of the year,
when real decisions get made about your team and the
prospects of October.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Well, you would only have to overpay Naylor if someone
else offers way more than market value. Do you think
someone is going to offer way more than market value
for him?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Wait?
Speaker 7 (13:53):
I misunderstood that.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
How How exactly do we know when the agents are
telling us that they've got offers from our competitive at
a number, then it's the number they want, and they
say they have it, and they're hoping that one of
us blinks.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
So I just don't know how to answer that question.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't know what market value
is for him. I got no idea.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I mean, I I Dave, I've always just thought that
market value is whatever the market bears. Whatever the best
offer is that he can get is what he's worth.
I mean, you know, but if they if they lose him,
you know, Pete Alonzo, do the Mariners make a run there?
I mean, what's the what's the what's the saving face
for the Mariners? Because keep in mind, they gave up
(14:33):
potentially a first basement of the future and lockleyer to
get Naylor. I mean, he's gone, He's in Arizona. So
what do you do to replace him? If you're John
Stanton and Jerry.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Depoto, it's a funny question because do you regret that
trade given that you didn't win the World Series?
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Or are you happy with it?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I'm happy that.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Yeah, that's where I am. I agree.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I I can't worry about and I'm the king of
trading prospects away who become long time major lead. But
you know what, I don't regret one of them. And
I made so many mistakes doing it because we never
won another World Series after three. But man, I love
to try and I would always want to help our
team today and yeah, I could be sacrificing tomorrow, but man,
(15:15):
I've learned in my personal life. You just don't know
what tomorrow is, and certainly in baseball, you don't know
what tomorrow is either. So I think what Seattle did
is what you'd want your team to do. And in
terms of the market, that's where you need Jerry Depoto
to actually be good with his lieutenants, because you need
to mark every player to market. You put on a
(15:35):
piece of paper for your owner what a player is
worth in a vacuum, not competing against another team, but
what you would pay that player, and then you see
what the owner would do above that if they're burning
or if they're emotional. But you put in front of
the owner what Nailer's is to you and for me,
are you really going to go five years for Josh Nayler?
(15:58):
Is that really a and that you would suggest is proper?
Speaker 7 (16:03):
I just don't know that I would Well.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I just just real quick, just a correction. So the
lockleyer wasn't directly involved in the Nailor deal. He went
to the d Backs for Suarez, but they did give
him up, you know, they did, you know, allow him
to walk away to Ashton? Is he and Brandon Garcia
do they though think though that? Hey, if there's ever
a year, though, David to maybe go a little bit
above what we're comfortable with.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Maybe at another year.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's right now because of the window that we're in
with this pitching staff and the roster that we have.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Again?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I did that all the time. You know, you want
to get the players so badly during the offseason. You
want to win the offseason because it feels good to
the fans, it feels good to you, and you give
the extra year. But all of a sudden, that extra
year comes quick and you are despondent, beyond repair. And
that is the toughest battle in front office's faith when
(16:55):
they look themselves.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
In the mirror.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
What's an extra year? I probably won't even have a job,
and half the fans I just can get good press
for the now, I can have a great press conference.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Let me not worry about it.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
But as an owner or a team president, you've got
to think about that because that extra year comes. So
you just struck the most important decisions that a front
office makes. It's really easy to give in. I mean,
who can't give in to an agent's request. You don't
need to be a skilled GM to give in, Like
I don't need my GM to tell me that Shoeo
(17:29):
Tani is a good player that doesn't add value. I
want him to find value for me and over pain
a player is not hard to do.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Those are wise words.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
David Sampson joining US, would it make sense for this
team to bring back Gino Suarez or pivot to a
younger player like Williamson.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I would not bring him back.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I think that when you're looking at how you win,
one of the things what was amazing about Toronto? If
you had to sum up what was the thing you
looked at their team and said, whoa I'd like to
be like that. Well, I'll answer, so we saved time.
In my mind it was one through nine. There was
(18:11):
always the possibility that those guys were putting the ball
in play, and when you put the ball and play,
good things happen. And I just don't think so far
as puts the ball and play enough. It's sexy when
he goes deep, but I'd want a guy putting That's
to me when I looked at Toronto and said, wow,
they just they put the ball in play all through
the lineup.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah. What do you make of David?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
A good David Sampson, nothing personal pod Cast, former president
of the Marlins. Always love having them on with us
on the air. What do you think happens with Trek Scuobel.
We've got some pipe dreams about him maybe coming to
Seattle where he played college baseball in Seattle.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
What do you make of the school situation?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Man, if you're Chris Ilich, the owner of the Tigers,
you had a team, it was right there.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
This year, you.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Bring him back and ride him to the end and
let him sign somewhere else you can get another year
out of him.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
I would not give in.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Boris will only allow him to sign a ridiculous deal.
I call it the Strasbourg, and that's how you get
a player to re sign before they become a free agent,
and that will hurt the team. Every time you cannot
do a deal with a Boris client, you will lose.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
And owners are beginning to.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Realize that, yes, they could get a lot for him
now or at the deadline, but I would hold him
and I would get back to October and try to
have a better run.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
If I'm the Tigers, what type of compensation would they
get for him now versus what type of compensation would
they get July thirty. First, let's say if they're five
hundred and really not in the mix for a World Series.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
You obviously get more now because the team gets six
months of him versus two months of him. But the
question is the acquire or will they have the ability
to negotiate with Boris to get him to sign with
the team that gets him, And if so, then they'd
be willing to give up more than if you were
(20:09):
just a two month rental. So there's three levels, the
six month rental, the two month rental, or the window
to negotiate, and you're going to sign him long term,
and that obviously would be the most compensation.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, David, what you said earlier, I think a lot
of us agree with that. This just can't be the
off season of Josh Naylor. And that's it, right, I think, Dick,
you asked me a few weeks ago, would you be
okay if all they did was and I said no,
I mean that's your status quo, like you need to
get better, you need a right fielder, or you need
to get some bullpen help, you need a third basement.
Because I agree with you, David, I think Suarez is
(20:42):
gone after this year, So what would be reasonable for
this baseball team. Are we talking Alex Bregman, Are we
talking Kyle Tucker? Were talking Kyle Schwarber, Bulbushitt? I mean, honestly, like,
what is a reasonable expectation that Mariner fans should have
as we they had into free agency?
Speaker 7 (21:02):
I think that if you get one name that you
guys like.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
That should be more than enough to pacify you.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
And what I would want is.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Four other guys that you don't have a good opinion of.
But my baseball guys think are going to help me
win games? Right, I want to make my team better.
I don't need to do it with the top ten
free agents. I've tried that it doesn't work. The way
to win is to have really good players how sexy
And I hate to go back to Toronto. Yeah, they
(21:32):
brought in Vladimir they re signed him, but man, they
won because they had a lot of sexy stuff going
on throughout that lineup with players that no one could name.
And that's the type of offseason I want to see
Seattle have where they show that they are a good
front office, which they are.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
David as a Mariner, al Pield fine with a Rose Arena,
Julio Roblace and Canzone.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Well, you know, I'm a huge Julio guy, and having him,
you know, Rozarina.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
For me, he's trending down.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
It's not that he's not a serviceable Major leaguer, but
he is not. I'm not sure that he is a
championship caliber player. And it's hard to get nine of them.
I will grant you that, and Julio may count is
more than one of them, and so you can have
sort of a negative one somewhere else.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
So interesting.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Any outfield with Julio is an above average outfield.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, yeah, Well let me wrap it up with this.
David Sampson is with us again, the former president of
the Miami Marlins, and a lot of people said if
the Dodgers win the World Series again, that's going to
be bad for baseball because that will inspire the owners
to potentially lock out the players to strike whatever. Are
we looking at a lockout you think or a workstoppage
(22:50):
of some kind after this twenty twenty sixth season comes
to an end.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I would say, you are, but it has nothing to
do with the Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
When the World Series, I think that it was headed
that way whether the Brewers won the World Series or not, honestly,
and there's some major economic issues where there's a fundamental
disagreement between two sides, and when that exists, you have
to get right to the edge of extinction. And so
you've got to get to the lockout. You've got to
(23:19):
get remember what happened last CBA, where the arguments were
not nearly as bad, there was not nearly the vitriol,
and we had the lockout that led to missing the
first two weeks and making the season last into November.
People forgot about that already, but that was only a
few years ago, and so I think we're going to
have to get to that point again. And you got
to get to the pain point. Remember, players are not
(23:42):
getting paid now. They don't miss a paycheck until April one,
and roughly, I mean the season starts March twenty fifth,
but roughly that. And so it's very difficult to assert
leverage when leverage does not exist, and both sides would
like some leverage, and to get it, the owners probably
will need to lock out the players.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You think in our lifetime we'll see a salary cap.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
In Major League Baseball?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, No, I do not all right, David, great stuff.
I appreciate you staying up late for us on the
East Coast. Always love having you on. You're the man, Hey, Dave.
I'm in bed by seven o'clock every night. I got
off the air and go right to bed. All right,
So we appreciate you staying up. Well, I mean how
(24:27):
long you stay up?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Are you a night out? What time you going to
bed tonight?
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:31):
So I record my show at seven am, I start
the pre production meeting at five forty am, and I
generally go to bed around three am, so I am
not much of a sleeper, but I do appreciate you
giving me the credit of staying up to do the show.
I would tell you that I'm always happy to be
on with you guys.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh, I just say this, then, what I said about
you staying up late for est forget about it.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
I didn't mean it.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
All right, Dave, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Thanks, gangs, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Take it all right, David Samson, I want to come
back at talk about that, he said. Basically, the list
of guys I just rallied off a few of them, obviously, Schwarbur, Tucker, Bashet,
whatever he says, Hey, if you can get one of
those guys one decent you know name free agent.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
That includes Naylor two.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
By the way, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Don't think it does, but we'll talk about it next.
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Speaker 2 (25:37):
All right, we're back on a busy Thursday night right
here on ninety three three KJRFM. We got hockey coming
up tonight seven o'clock with the Winnipeg Jets and the
Kraken pregame six thirty face off at seven from Climate
Pledge Arena, early second quarter, by the way, over on
nine point fifty am. Jets Patriots tight at seven right
now from New England.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So we'll keep an eye on that game. But I
got the.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Big story topically for right now would be Cal Rowley,
who did not win the American League MVP. You're just
tuning in today, Aaron Judge winning the American League MVP
in a very very close vote. I believe I saw
the closest vote since twenty nineteen, Aaron Judge getting seventeen
first place votes. Well, Kyle Riley got thirteen. Kyle Riley's
(26:22):
sixty home run season not enough to win the American
League MVP. And you know, look, I mean you kind
of turn the page a little bit now. It kind
of felt like we were waiting to see what happened tonight,
and now we can turn the page on free agency
and start talking about making this team better in a
lot of ways to give Cal the best shot to
have another great season like you had this year.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, the night the last piece of twenty twenty five.
That's right, twenty twenty five season was just an hour ago.
But I appreciated David Sampson's take on free agency. And
I think, you know, I treat Josh Naylor a little
bit differently than I treat some of those other guys
that you mentioned, you know, the Boba Schets and Alex
Bragman's and those other guys. I mean, if I'm gonna
spend money on a free agent, I'm gonna spend money
(27:03):
on a guy that I know.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Is going to be great here, And that was Josh Naylor.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
And still there's a price tag though, and and I
think David Sampson.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Put it very very well.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
You have to be comfortable with the price you put
on a piece of paper to Josh Naylor, that that's
the willing that's the amount of money and the years.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You're willing to pay that particular player.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
And you can't get too caught up in the motion
of what just happened over the last couple of months.
And so I appreciated his take. I do want Josh
Naylor back a lot, and I want him more than
I want any of those other names that were mentioned,
because I know he's good here and he works here.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I guess I just don't understand what emotion you're getting
caught up in.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well, that's what those are the words that he he
But what.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Do you like? What do you What does he mean
by that? What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I think I think he just meant be. He just
meant you can't you can't use the emotion of.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
The last month and a half to affect that check
book in the off season. I think that was the
point he was trying to meet at least that's what
I heard from him.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, I just guys, I just I don't know, man.
I mean, I can feel myself just getting pissed off
already about this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Because you're gonna be I'm promising you that right now.
But Andrews, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I don't want I get accused by Dick and other
people of just wanting to go out there and just
throw money out there. Just take money and just toss
it out the window, like there's that jiff of the
kid opening the window and just throwing money out there.
I'm doing that if there's a good player receiving it, right, Okay, Right.
I feel like there's this idea that, well, if you
spend big money, then clearly that's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
That's crap.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Because what I feel like the problem with the Mariners
has been is that they cut off one of the
best avenues available to making the baseball team better, and
that's free agency.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Right. They've got a wonderful farm system full of ammunition.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay, they've made some really good trades, there's no question
about that. But when it comes to being involved in
getting the best players available to come play for you,
I just feel like they cut themselves off and they
don't give themselves that chance, not because they're.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Cheap, Potentially maybe they just can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I mean, I got no idea what John Stanton's personal
financial situation is, or Chris Larsen or the guy that
they Brad Smith is at his name, the Microsoft guy
that came on board. I don't have any idea what
these dudes bank accounts look like. I got no idea,
And I don't even care if they spend money. All
I'm looking at is the player. And typically in free agency,
(29:39):
if you want a really, really good player who's gonna
give you a better chance of success than not, sometimes
you do have to spend a little more money than
what you're comfortable doing. And like I'm looking at Josh Naylor,
for example, and I see a guy last year for
the Mariner. This is why I just kind of bristled
a little bit. I don't mean to do it at you,
by the way, Ristle a little bit at the whole
(30:01):
emotion thing.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
What what emotion do you need?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
When you look at Josh Naylor and in twenty six
games at T Mobile Park he had a ten to
fifteen ops.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
No, it's very that's not a motion I want him back.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
That's just pure data.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So when I asked, David, can you see a realistic
scenario where Josh Naylor walks away and the MS can't
be the team to pay him the last dollar he's
looking for? I don't think there is.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
If I'm wrong and somebody offers him fifty million dollars
a year, then okay, whatever. But my god, if there's
ever a year and ever a time in Mariner baseball
history to maybe give out a little more than you
might feel comfortable with and take a little bit of
a bigger risk pick than you might feel comfortable with,
it's with this guy on this team this year.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yes, and I am totally with you when it comes
to Josh Naylor one hundred percent. But I'm also with
David Sampson, and we've talked about this many many times
in the past. I think his quote was was awesome
when he says that last season his quote was that
last season of the contract of the big balloon contract
comes very fast and it's agonizing. So that is that
(31:14):
is what I don't want the Mariners to do. I
don't want the Mariners to be stuck with contracts of
thirty three thirty four year old guys that can't play
anymore making twenty five million dollars a year, because you
know what will happen then to the franchise. They'll be like, Hey,
we can't buy this guy. We can't buy this guy.
We can't buy this guy because we're paying this dude
that's thirty three to twenty five million, and that we
(31:36):
have got to stay out of that situation.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I just that's on them though. They don't need
to worry about that if they don't want him, but
they do worry about it.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I think most teams worry about it.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, let's get the mets of the Dodgers. I
mean again, if you win the World Series, who cares?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I mean if you if you get the job done. Like,
if you're telling me that you're gonna pay Josh Naylor?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
What is Josh?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Is he thirty one? How Josh twenty? Okay, so let's
say you give him a five year deal. Right, he's
twenty years old? When does he turn twenty nine? When's
his birthday? But look, I got it right in front
of me. Josh Naylor is gonna be twenty nine years
old in June. Okay, so he's a young twenty eight right,
it's my age, right, Great, So Andrews, you can have
a five year, hundred and whatever moon. And I look
(32:19):
back five years from now when Josh Naylor is gonna
be thirty three years old, and I see, Andrews, give
me a number. Give me an average per year number
for Josh Naylor salary. Man, Yes, ye, how many? How
about a year twenty five mil, twenty five million? Okay,
let's say it's twenty eight million. First of all, twenty
eight million dollars in five years from now is not
(32:42):
gonna look anything like twenty five million, twenty eight million
dollars today. And if I can get a World Series
done in the next four years, and Josh Naylor is
a huge part of that, am I gonna sit around
in two thousand and thirty thinking to myself, God, look
at that twenty eight million dollar tab that's coming due
on Josh Naylor. Then I'll turn my head and I'll
(33:03):
see a World Series trophy in my trophy case.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
So, so what I.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Mean, you'd make Josh Nayler the second highest paid First,
I'm not saying I well, because that's twenty million, But
that's to day.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
He won't be the second highest paid first patiment in
baseball in two years from now or three years from now.
It's the same thing with the Quarterbacks, right, exact same
conversation because Alable, right, I just don't I I cannot
sit around with this pitching staff and Julio and Cal
(33:33):
and the young talent that I've got and not make
a deal because I'm scared to overpay a guy in
five years from now. If I cost myself a chance
at a championship now, If I don't give myself a
best chance at a championship now because I'm too concerned
about a guy's salary in two thousand and thirty, I'm
not doing the job I gotta do as an owner.
I mean, I get that these guys have budget stick.
(33:55):
I totally understand that, one hundred percent right on that.
But if you win a World Series in the next
four years, are we gonna be sitting around in twenty
thirty going, man, this is great, but holy poop, look
at the money we own.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Naylor.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I don't know, I just got I got a hard
time digesting that that thought process, guys, I really do
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.