December 2, 2024 • 19 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to break down the Seahawks win over the Jets yesterday, the defensive performance, Sauce Gardner, and Geno Smith.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's just certain things that I don't think we get
out of Hugh Millen when you rely on somebody else
to be asking questions. So I wanted to have a
little more at four out of Hugh, and he joins
us right now on the radio program.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Heree, how are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm doing great until I heard that Nate Robinson's kid
is in the portal. I played with Nate Robinson's dad. Yeah,
which is this kid's grandpa? Like, okay, well you want
to feel even older. I think Nate Robinson actually may
have a grand kid, by the way, So yeah, yeah,
yeah for you, Hugh, guess what, you're old? All ideal
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with the talent. Okay, oh, but you are old.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey, let me let me first of all, before we
get to just some general thoughts on yesterday's game, the offense,
the red zone stuff, all that, let me ask you
the question that we were kicking around about about twenty
minutes ago. I asked Dick and Jackson on the air,
if you're a Seahawks fan, would you rather have the
Seahawks winning the opposite way of how they're winning now?
Meaning the defense is getting shoved around, the offense is
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kicking ash you're winning game, you know, forty one to
thirty eight whatever, versus the way you're doing things right now.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
For me, I have a clear answer. If I'm going
to the games, I want the defense. If I'm watching
it on TV, I want the offense. Okay, defense, because
you're interactive when you're at the stadium and you know
it's third down and you're roar and you got a
really good belief that you're you're going to get a stop,
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you know you're going to harass the quarterback, and you
know it's just more fun to root for the defense
in a stadium in my opinion. But watching TV, I
want to see the precision. I mean, for me, I am.
I would say this. I don't think Dan Marino is
in the top five quarterbacks ever, but he's the greatest
passer of a football that I've ever seen, and he
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changes your life. Once you see Dan Marino throw a football,
you're forever changed.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I am.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And there's just a level of precision that I love
that the end NFL and the NFL alone can produce
with that level of passing, and it's elusive, and I'm
constantly looking for somebody to get as close to throwing
a football like Dan Marino as anybody i'd see. So
I need to see that offense when I'm on watching
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on television.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Okay, how about for the betterment of the franchise? Right,
So your choice, your choice is as a as a
Seahawk fan, as you know, one that wants this team
in the Super Bowl within the next thirty six months.
Is it better for the franchise to have their offense
just humming? You have found your coordinator, Gino Smith's getting
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an extension. You know everything is going well, and your
brand new defensive coordinator slash head coach hasn't figured that
side of the ball yet out or what you have
right now, which is a pretty championship caliber defense already.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, I think it's harder to.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Design it and implement and execute the cohesion responsible in offense.
It's easier to get a group of parts together. I
think that defensively you can gel quicker. You're the way
I'm processing your question, I would just say what's the correlation,
because obviously you're saying, well, are we talking about a
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ten defense and a seven offense or a ten offense
and a seven defense?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And then you just say what what wins a championship. Well,
now it's been a year or two since I've done it,
but you know, this whole idea that defense wins championships,
it's a myth.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Apparently gets connection as a myth too. We thought we
had him, but we really didn't. Maybe that's Ryan Grubb
pulling the pulling the plug on huge connections?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is this more bare until four oh seven?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's right?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You do?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
We have you back there? I think so.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, did the hamster start running again down there?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Good job, we put a carrot in front of him
and he's going good.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, No, I would just say, you know, it's relative.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
If you go elation and you say, take all the
Super Bowl champions over the last twenty years, ten years,
whatever you think is is, and you say, well, are
they more dominant defensively or offensively?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
What you're gonna find?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Now, I'm a year or two off of doing this,
but as a general rule, you'd say that the teams
that have had better offenses and the quarterbacks are the
ones that are winning Super Bowls. Yeah, sometimes, for sure.
Like you could give me lots of examples. You know,
the Legion of Boom two thousand and two with the
Buccaneer two thousand with the Ravens. Like, there's examples where
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we say that was clearly a defensive team, but more
often than not, it's a team that's been more dominant offense.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, I mean, look, there's a lot of ways we
can go with yesterday's game. A lot of folks talking
about the red zone series. We can chat about that
in a second, but I want to ask you down
twenty one to nineteen, fourth and one from the Jet
thirty three and the Seahawks have a chance to kick
a fifty one. I think it would have been yardfield
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goal to go up twenty to twenty one. They pass
on that and they go forward on fourth down, they
get stopped, but they get a horse collar penalty by
the Jets.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Is that ball is being snapped you.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Before you realize the Jets had committed a penalty? What's
going through your brain watching that decision?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I was just, you know, kind of shell shock from
what I had seen down at the goal line and
the Seahawks inability to to run that short yardage offense.
The tight ends are are are really poor lately, and
they're blocking in those situations. The offensive line is allowing
too much penetration. I wasn't feeling real good about it.
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And and the one that preceded that, back in your
own territory, the.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Freaking one and thirty eight year old you're you're only
you're only down two.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I mean I was apoplectic on that one. I was like,
punt the ball, punt the Gino, Gino, just quick.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Kick it, like yeah, there's no returner.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
If you could just find a way to get top spin,
you could have that thing roll. You could have a
sixty yard punt by Geno. So I hated that part
of it. But yeah, it's it's uh, it's confounding trying
to watch these guys just get thirty six inches. Uh,
when the game is on the line over and over
and again and they can't get it.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Well, take us to the goal line, Hugh, give us
the humill and blame Pie of the indigestion causing plays
at the goal line there.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, I could go through all of them.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I would say this, Sorry, we'll have an hour and
a half before the game starts playing.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, well I should be able to get halfway through it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
All you get well Sas Gardner was pivotal, and he
stopped a fade, and he stopped a slant, and and
for my money, guys, Sauce Gardner is the best corner
that I have scouted this year. That guy is a
freaking dude. I mean he's long like Sherman, but quick
as hell, feisty, competitor like Witherspoon. I wish Reek Wollan
had his type of competitiveness. That guy is an elite player.
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So he stopped a couple of plays. And then you
had the left side of the line. You had Charles
Cross missed on one. You have Tomlinson with and here's
the thing you'd say to those guys, Look, don't let
a defender beat you across your face, lose the ball
to the block rather to the outside, which they did.
But they underset, not overset. They underset, meaning too close
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to the ball so quickly that the defenders were able
to quickly go outside of them. So and then there
was a miss by Oulu. So the you know, three
fists of the offensive line had a terrible bust in that.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
The play action pass.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know, you got to hit that ball out there
to Fant in the flat. Some coaches would argue that
for hey, at some point get parallel to the line
of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He makes the angle a little better.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You run the risk of catching and not scoring if
you do that, so that you'd get some difference of opinions.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
There was.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's just, you know, a whole series of burkedowns and
then finally the fourth down. Some of those out, but
finally the fourth down. You know, I would say that
was not one of Ryan Grubb's finest moments because if
you're gonna call that play the sprint out and you're
getting in a four by one formation, which is a
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little bit of a tailtale that you can have a
sprint out Jackson Smith and Jigger they're trying to get
picks for him. This is a man beater. But the Jets,
who by the way, I'm not gonna list him. I
could list you literally half a dozen stats where the
Jets were exactly number two in the NFL defensively, not
number one, not number three, but number two.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
That's a damn good defense. And they just passed that off.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They switched it, Dick, like you switch a three point line,
you know, when you get a pick out there at
the three point line. They switched it beautifully and that
was covered up, that was gloved up hard. And so
you know, if you're gonna call that, I think you
got to have a higher percent chance that you're gonna
be able to get that pick. And that's going to
be an easy walk in for Jackson Smith and Jigbit
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with the right handed quarterback going to his left. So
there's a lot of things I just didn't like about
the play calling, the execution.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And give credit to the Jets.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean that number fifty six, Holy cow, quincy something
that dude's a that dude can ball.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, we might have to find a new internet provider
for you.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
We might, we might, is the offensive line of the
Hawks running his internet show.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I mean, I just wish that the Seahawks had these
kinds of holes to run through, right, the kinds of
holes that we get here.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Do we have you back here again? Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah? Anyways, yeah, there, we.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Didn't get any of it. That was great.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Can you start off again from the beginning to I'm
skiing well, but here's the thing, just going back to
the red zone because I'm looking at one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven plays from the one yard line. I think one
of them the Jets may have called a timeout, and
two of them there were penalties on New York, So
that means six of the even plays that they ran
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they could have taken the result of that play, but
they did not on two of them, obviously, because the
Jets had a penalty. Six of the seven, they've got
Geno Smith under center at least two or three of them.
They have a jumbo package in there with Barner and
Sundell blocking for Zach Scharbernay and blocking for Kenny Walker.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I don't know, I mean, outside.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Of not sneaking it on one of those plays, which
I agree with you guys one thousand percent, how much
of a problem do we have with the actual formations
and plays that Ryan Grubb was calling, except for the
fourth down play.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well, they're trying to pull.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
They were trying to run power right and pull Lake
and Tomlinson on a couple of those, and that was
opening up US penetration from the left side. There's another
time that if I'm great in Genot, he didn't fake
his the naked to hold the end man on the
line of scrimmage and the tight end the tight ends
blocking out. To me, schematically, you leave the widest guy unblocked,
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and the tight ends got to block the guy head
out over him, and and Gino by virtue of his
fake on the naked bootleg, he holds that backside in
from crashing. You know, just some fundamental aspects of goal
line offense. If you're gonna try and run a lead,
or if you're gonna try and run power and pull
that backside guard, those are things you have to do.
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And Seattle wasn't doing it. And this is multiple times,
multiple weeks. I come back and I watch the tape,
and whether it is h Fharaoh Brown or Noah Fense
or Barner, the rookie, the tight ends, they're not holding
up their bargain and and it's like they're blocking the
wrong guy. There's just things from a scheme standpoint that
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I don't like in their short yardage offense, and the
tight ends are part of it. But losing blocks quickly
at the point of attack is crippling obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And speaking of crippling, yeah, I'm starting to think that
maybe we're not supposed to be doing this.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
To be honest with you, this.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Might be somebody, this might be somebody sending us a message.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Usually do Hugh on Fridays. What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, well, Jackson, if you can get him back on
the horn again, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Otherwise we'll just go ahead and wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But I mean, the sneak, I mean, that's like, really, Dick,
one of the biggest questions I would ask for Ryan
Grubb is tell us why and we do.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Have Feu back again.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
We'll allow it three times, but the fourth time we
may have to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
If you asked Ryan Grubb and Dick mentioned this earlier,
he's exactly right. Why don't you sneak Geno Smith on
any of those plays from the one?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
What would he say? That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I don't know if Gino has a history that I'm
unaware of of getting concussions. You know, some some coaches
don't want the quarterback taking that hit. I mean, I
ended up in a Chiefs game in December with the
playoffs on the line because John Elway got hit on
a quarterback sneak of all things and got concussed. And
so I would that would be the only thing for me.
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And he's a big, strong guy, competitive, he should be
able to you know, it's just wedge blocking right, everybody
blocks your inside gap and try and get some movement.
So I would have thought at one point, with the
the advent of these new rules, the tush push, you
got to try that once run the tight end in
motion and then just you know, push right off the
tush of Gino. So I think that somewhere on the
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line they've got to try that.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
How about the sacks? So we're still seeing a lot
of sacks. I know there was one early stages of
the fourth quarter that was on Geno. I mean JSN
was open. I think it was a little i don't know,
a stick router or a little out routy. He was
wide open five yards from Gino, and Gino just didn't
see him and held on the ball too long. But overall,
was it offensive line? Was it bad play calling causing
the sacks? Or was it Gino causing his sacks?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, there was a few times there where the Seahawks
were in what I have termed conservative protection schemes where
there are far more blockers staying in running backs and
tight ends. You know, there was a number of times
where you got a three man route combination and it's
against just a four man rush.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
We'll do the math.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
If they got seven guys in theory, yeah, zone, but
you know they got two plus guys for for every
receiver that's out there, so that that caused him some
some trouble. He did miss on some reads where there's
guys open, and I thought he was a little gun shy.
Maybe he went into the games and I'm not gonna
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throw an interception because he did a good job of
keeping ball out of harm's way. That's that's the challenge
for a quarterback is hey, can I live? You know,
it's kind of like going through a red light. You know,
if it turns yellow way ahead, you gotta stop. But
there's that point where you sometimes you say, well it's yellow,
do I go through the intersection or do I stop? Well,
quarterbacking can be like that where you say, well it's
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a little bit of a yellow light. But if I
play early and I play precise, I can get good
completions with in yellow light situations. I thought Gino was,
you know, to carry out the analogy. When he was
seeing that light turn yellow, he was just slamming on
the brakes and unwilling to try and you know, you know,
make something happen. And through the intersection. So that's a part.
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But you know, the offensive line remains an issue for them,
even when they technically provide the protection. You got Charles Cross,
you know, giving up too much ground. He gave up
a sack really early in the down to the blind
side that could have been injuries.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So I just think it's you know, for the.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Most part, they're battling a poor offensive line and that's
the biggest problem with the football team.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
No, I got you hate here your opinion.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I got you before you go. Can we throw a
little curveball at you?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
This this wasn't on the show sheet here, This wasn't
on the set list.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But Oregon Demon Williams the way he played over the
weekend on Saturday. But I thought the whole point of
playing demon was to escape the pressure that was most
certainly gonna come, and he got sacked ten times. Would
you make of what you saw Saturday in Eugene.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Well, I really liked his poise.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
He definitely seemed like he belonged, He was confident, he
looked like he was having fun.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think that's that's critical.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think he's got a talent to throw the football
comes he spins the ball. Well, whether he can be
accurate down the field, we'll see, you know, he hit
a nice touchdown against the backups.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
The ten sacks.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Look, I think that the second biggest fallacy in all
of football is the following, oh, well, that athletic quarterback
took a sack just to magic. If the unathletic quarterback
would have been in there, they would have even more sacks.
That's the second biggest fallacy in all of football. In
my opinion. It has been proven. In fact, I did
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a presentation for the thirty third team. Tannenbaum asked me
to do this, and if you take all this, the
immobile quarterbacks pass, their sack rate is about half of
what the athletic quarterbacks are. And so what happens is
is an athletic quarterback will say, oh, I can make
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something happen, and he starts moving around. The unathletic quarterback
will say, I know, I don't have the feet to
get out of here. I can only use my mind
to get me out of.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
These sacks.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And so you work more on sliding protection, knowing where
your hot is and what have you. And I think
thus far, you go back to that Penn State game
where Demon had seventeen dropbacks. Eight times he had free
runners coming at him totally unblocked and no hot route
awareness at all. This is something If the idea of
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what Jedfish and that staff is just like, well, we'll
avoid sacks because we've got a guy that's really elusive,
that is a losing proposition. They better hone that thing up,
because what they showed at Penn State, what they showed
at Oregon is a total ineptness to handle pressure. And
it doesn't matter how athletic your quarterback is, as you
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as was proved the other night, I'm not you'd probably say, well,
Will Rodgers would have fifteen sacks.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Maybe he would have, maybe he wouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Will At this point, Will Rodgers is a afternote in
history to husk football.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But that style of quarterback is is like, Okay, where's
my hot Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Can I slide the protection? It looks like I'm getting
four a week.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Let me send the center and the running back to
handle my four week and then I'll be hot off
the third off my front side like all of that stuff.
And I'm not saying Demon Williams can't do that. I'm
not saying his mind is inferior to anybody's, For all
I know is the freaking Einstein of quarterbacks. But when
you have that type of athleticism you have you have
two tools at your disposal. I can beat the blitz
with my feet or my brain. And what often happens
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is and it's been proven. I've got a PowerPoint twelve
point power point to prove this. Through any era, the
athletic quarterback takes more sacks and so they you know,
be in part because they just trust their ability to
avoid sacks, right, and so Demon Williams better get you know,
hone in on that.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It's like threading a needle.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
What I would coach him and say, look, your athleticism,
God given, it's beautiful. I want to get every time
I watch you move, that is phenomenal. We're never going
to strip that of you. That's got to be an
important part of how you play, but it can't be
a part of how you play every single down. There's
got to be times where you get you avoid sacks
by knowing where to go with the football, understanding protections
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and hitting those hot routes. Because he's one hundred and
eighty five pounds. He's not going to handle ten sacks.
He'll be you know what he'll be. He'll be on
ir By, you know, before Halloween.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, all right man, great stuff. We appreciate the analysis.
Thanks for giving us more ford and we'll talk on Friday. Thanks,
Puck and roll game, all right, you're bailing with us.
Maybe the radio guys just didn't want to hear huge
thoughts on the Hawks because it was crystal clear for
the Husky analysis. Yeah, and the one thing that I
don't want to talk about is the game on Saturday,
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but we'll discuss it next. I'm sure Oregon fans will
love this coming up on ninety three three KJRFM
There's just certain things that I don't think we get
out of Hugh Millen when you rely on somebody else
to be asking questions. So I wanted to have a
little more at four out of Hugh, and he joins
us right now on the radio program.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Heree, how are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm doing great until I heard that Nate Robinson's kid
is in the portal. I played with Nate Robinson's dad. Yeah,
which is this kid's grandpa? Like, okay, well you want
to feel even older. I think Nate Robinson actually may
have a grand kid, by the way, So yeah, yeah,
yeah for you, Hugh, guess what, you're old? All ideal
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with the talent. Okay, oh, but you are old.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey, let me let me first of all, before we
get to just some general thoughts on yesterday's game, the offense,
the red zone stuff, all that, let me ask you
the question that we were kicking around about about twenty
minutes ago. I asked Dick and Jackson on the air,
if you're a Seahawks fan, would you rather have the
Seahawks winning the opposite way of how they're winning now?
Meaning the defense is getting shoved around, the offense is
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kicking ash you're winning game, you know, forty one to
thirty eight whatever, versus the way you're doing things right now.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
For me, I have a clear answer. If I'm going
to the games, I want the defense. If I'm watching
it on TV, I want the offense. Okay, defense, because
you're interactive when you're at the stadium and you know
it's third down and you're roar and you got a
really good belief that you're you're going to get a stop,
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you know you're going to harass the quarterback, and you
know it's just more fun to root for the defense
in a stadium in my opinion. But watching TV, I
want to see the precision. I mean, for me, I am.
I would say this. I don't think Dan Marino is
in the top five quarterbacks ever, but he's the greatest
passer of a football that I've ever seen, and he
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changes your life. Once you see Dan Marino throw a football,
you're forever changed.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I am.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And there's just a level of precision that I love
that the end NFL and the NFL alone can produce
with that level of passing, and it's elusive, and I'm
constantly looking for somebody to get as close to throwing
a football like Dan Marino as anybody i'd see. So
I need to see that offense when I'm on watching
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on television.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Okay, how about for the betterment of the franchise? Right,
So your choice, your choice is as a as a
Seahawk fan, as you know, one that wants this team
in the Super Bowl within the next thirty six months.
Is it better for the franchise to have their offense
just humming? You have found your coordinator, Gino Smith's getting
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an extension. You know everything is going well, and your
brand new defensive coordinator slash head coach hasn't figured that
side of the ball yet out or what you have
right now, which is a pretty championship caliber defense already.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, I think it's harder to.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Design it and implement and execute the cohesion responsible in offense.
It's easier to get a group of parts together. I
think that defensively you can gel quicker. You're the way
I'm processing your question, I would just say what's the correlation,
because obviously you're saying, well, are we talking about a
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ten defense and a seven offense or a ten offense
and a seven defense?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And then you just say what what wins a championship. Well,
now it's been a year or two since I've done it,
but you know, this whole idea that defense wins championships,
it's a myth.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Apparently gets connection as a myth too. We thought we
had him, but we really didn't. Maybe that's Ryan Grubb
pulling the pulling the plug on huge connections?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is this more bare until four oh seven?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's right?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You do?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
We have you back there? I think so.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, did the hamster start running again down there?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Good job, we put a carrot in front of him
and he's going good.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, No, I would just say, you know, it's relative.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
If you go elation and you say, take all the
Super Bowl champions over the last twenty years, ten years,
whatever you think is is, and you say, well, are
they more dominant defensively or offensively?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
What you're gonna find?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Now, I'm a year or two off of doing this,
but as a general rule, you'd say that the teams
that have had better offenses and the quarterbacks are the
ones that are winning Super Bowls. Yeah, sometimes, for sure.
Like you could give me lots of examples. You know,
the Legion of Boom two thousand and two with the
Buccaneer two thousand with the Ravens. Like, there's examples where
(04:33):
we say that was clearly a defensive team, but more
often than not, it's a team that's been more dominant offense.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, I mean, look, there's a lot of ways we
can go with yesterday's game. A lot of folks talking
about the red zone series. We can chat about that
in a second, but I want to ask you down
twenty one to nineteen, fourth and one from the Jet
thirty three and the Seahawks have a chance to kick
a fifty one. I think it would have been yardfield
(05:00):
goal to go up twenty to twenty one. They pass
on that and they go forward on fourth down, they
get stopped, but they get a horse collar penalty by
the Jets.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Is that ball is being snapped you.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Before you realize the Jets had committed a penalty? What's
going through your brain watching that decision?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I was just, you know, kind of shell shock from
what I had seen down at the goal line and
the Seahawks inability to to run that short yardage offense.
The tight ends are are are really poor lately, and
they're blocking in those situations. The offensive line is allowing
too much penetration. I wasn't feeling real good about it.
(05:42):
And and the one that preceded that, back in your
own territory, the.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Freaking one and thirty eight year old you're you're only
you're only down two.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I mean I was apoplectic on that one. I was like,
punt the ball, punt the Gino, Gino, just quick.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Kick it, like yeah, there's no returner.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
If you could just find a way to get top spin,
you could have that thing roll. You could have a
sixty yard punt by Geno. So I hated that part
of it. But yeah, it's it's uh, it's confounding trying
to watch these guys just get thirty six inches. Uh,
when the game is on the line over and over
and again and they can't get it.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Well, take us to the goal line, Hugh, give us
the humill and blame Pie of the indigestion causing plays
at the goal line there.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, I could go through all of them.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I would say this, Sorry, we'll have an hour and
a half before the game starts playing.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, well I should be able to get halfway through it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
All you get well Sas Gardner was pivotal, and he
stopped a fade, and he stopped a slant, and and
for my money, guys, Sauce Gardner is the best corner
that I have scouted this year. That guy is a
freaking dude. I mean he's long like Sherman, but quick
as hell, feisty, competitor like Witherspoon. I wish Reek Wollan
had his type of competitiveness. That guy is an elite player.
(07:05):
So he stopped a couple of plays. And then you
had the left side of the line. You had Charles
Cross missed on one. You have Tomlinson with and here's
the thing you'd say to those guys, Look, don't let
a defender beat you across your face, lose the ball
to the block rather to the outside, which they did.
But they underset, not overset. They underset, meaning too close
(07:27):
to the ball so quickly that the defenders were able
to quickly go outside of them. So and then there
was a miss by Oulu. So the you know, three
fists of the offensive line had a terrible bust in that.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
The play action pass.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know, you got to hit that ball out there
to Fant in the flat. Some coaches would argue that
for hey, at some point get parallel to the line
of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He makes the angle a little better.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You run the risk of catching and not scoring if
you do that, so that you'd get some difference of opinions.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
There was.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's just, you know, a whole series of burkedowns and
then finally the fourth down. Some of those out, but
finally the fourth down. You know, I would say that
was not one of Ryan Grubb's finest moments because if
you're gonna call that play the sprint out and you're
getting in a four by one formation, which is a
(08:20):
little bit of a tailtale that you can have a
sprint out Jackson Smith and Jigger they're trying to get
picks for him. This is a man beater. But the Jets,
who by the way, I'm not gonna list him. I
could list you literally half a dozen stats where the
Jets were exactly number two in the NFL defensively, not
number one, not number three, but number two.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
That's a damn good defense. And they just passed that off.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They switched it, Dick, like you switch a three point line,
you know, when you get a pick out there at
the three point line. They switched it beautifully and that
was covered up, that was gloved up hard. And so
you know, if you're gonna call that, I think you
got to have a higher percent chance that you're gonna
be able to get that pick. And that's going to
be an easy walk in for Jackson Smith and Jigbit
(09:01):
with the right handed quarterback going to his left. So
there's a lot of things I just didn't like about
the play calling, the execution.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And give credit to the Jets.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean that number fifty six, Holy cow, quincy something
that dude's a that dude can ball.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, we might have to find a new internet provider
for you.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
We might, we might, is the offensive line of the
Hawks running his internet show.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I mean, I just wish that the Seahawks had these
kinds of holes to run through, right, the kinds of
holes that we get here.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Do we have you back here again? Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah? Anyways, yeah, there, we.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Didn't get any of it. That was great.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Can you start off again from the beginning to I'm
skiing well, but here's the thing, just going back to
the red zone because I'm looking at one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven plays from the one yard line. I think one
of them the Jets may have called a timeout, and
two of them there were penalties on New York, So
that means six of the even plays that they ran
(10:01):
they could have taken the result of that play, but
they did not on two of them, obviously, because the
Jets had a penalty. Six of the seven, they've got
Geno Smith under center at least two or three of them.
They have a jumbo package in there with Barner and
Sundell blocking for Zach Scharbernay and blocking for Kenny Walker.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I don't know, I mean, outside.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Of not sneaking it on one of those plays, which
I agree with you guys one thousand percent, how much
of a problem do we have with the actual formations
and plays that Ryan Grubb was calling, except for the
fourth down play.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well, they're trying to pull.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
They were trying to run power right and pull Lake
and Tomlinson on a couple of those, and that was
opening up US penetration from the left side. There's another
time that if I'm great in Genot, he didn't fake
his the naked to hold the end man on the
line of scrimmage and the tight end the tight ends
blocking out. To me, schematically, you leave the widest guy unblocked,
(10:58):
and the tight ends got to block the guy head
out over him, and and Gino by virtue of his
fake on the naked bootleg, he holds that backside in
from crashing. You know, just some fundamental aspects of goal
line offense. If you're gonna try and run a lead,
or if you're gonna try and run power and pull
that backside guard, those are things you have to do.
(11:18):
And Seattle wasn't doing it. And this is multiple times,
multiple weeks. I come back and I watch the tape,
and whether it is h Fharaoh Brown or Noah Fense
or Barner, the rookie, the tight ends, they're not holding
up their bargain and and it's like they're blocking the
wrong guy. There's just things from a scheme standpoint that
(11:39):
I don't like in their short yardage offense, and the
tight ends are part of it. But losing blocks quickly
at the point of attack is crippling obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And speaking of crippling, yeah, I'm starting to think that
maybe we're not supposed to be doing this.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
To be honest with you, this.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Might be somebody, this might be somebody sending us a message.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Usually do Hugh on Fridays. What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, well, Jackson, if you can get him back on
the horn again, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Otherwise we'll just go ahead and wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But I mean, the sneak, I mean, that's like, really, Dick,
one of the biggest questions I would ask for Ryan
Grubb is tell us why and we do.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Have Feu back again.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
We'll allow it three times, but the fourth time we
may have to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
If you asked Ryan Grubb and Dick mentioned this earlier,
he's exactly right. Why don't you sneak Geno Smith on
any of those plays from the one?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
What would he say? That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I don't know if Gino has a history that I'm
unaware of of getting concussions. You know, some some coaches
don't want the quarterback taking that hit. I mean, I
ended up in a Chiefs game in December with the
playoffs on the line because John Elway got hit on
a quarterback sneak of all things and got concussed. And
so I would that would be the only thing for me.
(12:53):
And he's a big, strong guy, competitive, he should be
able to you know, it's just wedge blocking right, everybody
blocks your inside gap and try and get some movement.
So I would have thought at one point, with the
the advent of these new rules, the tush push, you
got to try that once run the tight end in
motion and then just you know, push right off the
tush of Gino. So I think that somewhere on the
(13:16):
line they've got to try that.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
How about the sacks? So we're still seeing a lot
of sacks. I know there was one early stages of
the fourth quarter that was on Geno. I mean JSN
was open. I think it was a little i don't know,
a stick router or a little out routy. He was
wide open five yards from Gino, and Gino just didn't
see him and held on the ball too long. But overall,
was it offensive line? Was it bad play calling causing
the sacks? Or was it Gino causing his sacks?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, there was a few times there where the Seahawks
were in what I have termed conservative protection schemes where
there are far more blockers staying in running backs and
tight ends. You know, there was a number of times
where you got a three man route combination and it's
against just a four man rush.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
We'll do the math.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
If they got seven guys in theory, yeah, zone, but
you know they got two plus guys for for every
receiver that's out there, so that that caused him some
some trouble. He did miss on some reads where there's
guys open, and I thought he was a little gun shy.
Maybe he went into the games and I'm not gonna
(14:19):
throw an interception because he did a good job of
keeping ball out of harm's way. That's that's the challenge
for a quarterback is hey, can I live? You know,
it's kind of like going through a red light. You know,
if it turns yellow way ahead, you gotta stop. But
there's that point where you sometimes you say, well it's yellow,
do I go through the intersection or do I stop? Well,
quarterbacking can be like that where you say, well it's
(14:41):
a little bit of a yellow light. But if I
play early and I play precise, I can get good
completions with in yellow light situations. I thought Gino was,
you know, to carry out the analogy. When he was
seeing that light turn yellow, he was just slamming on
the brakes and unwilling to try and you know, you know,
make something happen. And through the intersection. So that's a part.
(15:04):
But you know, the offensive line remains an issue for them,
even when they technically provide the protection. You got Charles Cross,
you know, giving up too much ground. He gave up
a sack really early in the down to the blind
side that could have been injuries.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So I just think it's you know, for the.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Most part, they're battling a poor offensive line and that's
the biggest problem with the football team.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
No, I got you hate here your opinion.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I got you before you go. Can we throw a
little curveball at you?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
This this wasn't on the show sheet here, This wasn't
on the set list.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But Oregon Demon Williams the way he played over the
weekend on Saturday. But I thought the whole point of
playing demon was to escape the pressure that was most
certainly gonna come, and he got sacked ten times. Would
you make of what you saw Saturday in Eugene.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Well, I really liked his poise.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
He definitely seemed like he belonged, He was confident, he
looked like he was having fun.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think that's that's critical.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think he's got a talent to throw the football
comes he spins the ball. Well, whether he can be
accurate down the field, we'll see, you know, he hit
a nice touchdown against the backups.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
The ten sacks.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Look, I think that the second biggest fallacy in all
of football is the following, oh, well, that athletic quarterback
took a sack just to magic. If the unathletic quarterback
would have been in there, they would have even more sacks.
That's the second biggest fallacy in all of football. In
my opinion. It has been proven. In fact, I did
(16:34):
a presentation for the thirty third team. Tannenbaum asked me
to do this, and if you take all this, the
immobile quarterbacks pass, their sack rate is about half of
what the athletic quarterbacks are. And so what happens is
is an athletic quarterback will say, oh, I can make
(16:55):
something happen, and he starts moving around. The unathletic quarterback
will say, I know, I don't have the feet to
get out of here. I can only use my mind
to get me out of.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
These sacks.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And so you work more on sliding protection, knowing where
your hot is and what have you. And I think
thus far, you go back to that Penn State game
where Demon had seventeen dropbacks. Eight times he had free
runners coming at him totally unblocked and no hot route
awareness at all. This is something If the idea of
(17:29):
what Jedfish and that staff is just like, well, we'll
avoid sacks because we've got a guy that's really elusive,
that is a losing proposition. They better hone that thing up,
because what they showed at Penn State, what they showed
at Oregon is a total ineptness to handle pressure. And
it doesn't matter how athletic your quarterback is, as you
(17:49):
as was proved the other night, I'm not you'd probably say, well,
Will Rodgers would have fifteen sacks.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Maybe he would have, maybe he wouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Will At this point, Will Rodgers is a afternote in
history to husk football.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But that style of quarterback is is like, Okay, where's
my hot Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Can I slide the protection? It looks like I'm getting
four a week.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Let me send the center and the running back to
handle my four week and then I'll be hot off
the third off my front side like all of that stuff.
And I'm not saying Demon Williams can't do that. I'm
not saying his mind is inferior to anybody's, For all
I know is the freaking Einstein of quarterbacks. But when
you have that type of athleticism you have you have
two tools at your disposal. I can beat the blitz
with my feet or my brain. And what often happens
(18:34):
is and it's been proven. I've got a PowerPoint twelve
point power point to prove this. Through any era, the
athletic quarterback takes more sacks and so they you know,
be in part because they just trust their ability to
avoid sacks, right, and so Demon Williams better get you know,
hone in on that.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It's like threading a needle.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
What I would coach him and say, look, your athleticism,
God given, it's beautiful. I want to get every time
I watch you move, that is phenomenal. We're never going
to strip that of you. That's got to be an
important part of how you play, but it can't be
a part of how you play every single down. There's
got to be times where you get you avoid sacks
by knowing where to go with the football, understanding protections
(19:18):
and hitting those hot routes. Because he's one hundred and
eighty five pounds. He's not going to handle ten sacks.
He'll be you know what he'll be. He'll be on
ir By, you know, before Halloween.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, all right man, great stuff. We appreciate the analysis.
Thanks for giving us more ford and we'll talk on Friday. Thanks,
Puck and roll game, all right, you're bailing with us.
Maybe the radio guys just didn't want to hear huge
thoughts on the Hawks because it was crystal clear for
the Husky analysis. Yeah, and the one thing that I
don't want to talk about is the game on Saturday,
(19:49):
but we'll discuss it next. I'm sure Oregon fans will
love this coming up on ninety three three KJRFM
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