January 27, 2025 • 26 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Hugh Millen about the Chiefs’ win over the Bills in the AFC title game, Josh Allen failing to convert the late 4th & 5, Sean McDermott, and the Seahawks hiring Klint Kubiak as Offensive Coordinator.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining us right now on the radio program A little
moored for here. We got sparks flying here already, baby,
Oh yes, yere Buffalo, Kansas City, McDermott, Mahomes, Andy Reid,
Josh Allen, the official Xavior Worthy, Dalton Kincaid. I mean, man,
I can't imagine what it's actually liking Buffalo right now
doing the radio show out there.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Can't be worse than what's happening out here. How are you, man?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I can't even imagine those poor folks in Buffalo. One
hundred and twenty seven years of professional sports, no parades outright,
Josh Allen one of the most talented, greatest competitors in
the history of quarterbacking, and you know here they are
just holding the bag again with nothing.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, is the story for you, Dick and I Jackson
talking about this in the first segment? Is the story
for you more about what the Chiefs have accomplished or
more about what the Bills haven't been able to get
done because of what the Chiefs haven't accomplished.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, I think being on the press of three super
Bowl championships that's epic and historic. But I think I
think it's not just the Bills. Uh you know, here,
Josh Allen, he's gonna be, you know, the main figure
that everybody's gonna point at. But here's a guy that
you know has has a postseason with a ninety five QBR,
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greatest postseason ever in the QBR era. I mean yesterday
he had a seventy one, which would have placed him
fourth in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So he's a.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Top top five QBR guy yesterday. And that's counting those
devastating runs. If you go the QBR for just passes,
he out quote unquote outdueled Pat Mahomes. He had more
air yards than Pat Mahomes. It's just that that uh
at that the most the most pressure packed moments. Spagnola,
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he he derives the right defense, and Andy Raid devises
the right offenses, and and Mahomes get to have easy
little shallow cross, little din dink and dunks to wide
open guys, and Josh Allen has free runners in his
face and guy's dropping balls down the field.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It's just, you know, just kind of one of those things.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
But if I was in Buffalo, I think I'd be
drinking hard liquor and I'd be willing to experiment with
black Tar Heroin.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well, you you've mentioned that watching Josh Allen is football porn. Well,
if watching Josh Allen as football porn, I was thinking
about you yesterday with that opening drive that Andy Reid
put together. If watching Josh Allen's putting football porn, what
is watching a scripted Andy Reid drive to you?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, I think what was conspicuous about that is that
those were run plays. That all the the top throws
in that drive were run plays with RPOs and and
and here you know, Andy didn't know when he set
that play in and he and he wrote that script
that those would be pass plays. But they've got nice
little steam routes. They they have motions that create a
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little bit of confusion and separation. So in those zones
what's called the conflict defender that Pat Mahomes is reading.
Those guys get slightly outside leverage and now you've got
an inbreaking route on an r PO and Mahomes just
rises up. And even though the offensive line is blocking
run and there's running backs taking a run path, Mahomes,
that's what an RPO is. He just rises up and
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hits it. So you know, you know you've got a
very experienced one of the greatest ever. You know, you know,
probably arguabent in the top two. Now he's ready to
play from the very first play of the game.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He's ready to go from the jump, and he showed
it on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, what if somebody said to you, hey, if he
wins next Sunday, he's the goat. He's one. Uh, he's
won four of them. He's twenty nine years old. What
is it four out of six at that point, I
think it's right, dick. They nobody's made five out of six.
I mean, is he'd be eight tea and three in
the postseason overall, which is incredible. What if somebody stopped
you in the street and said, dude, if he wins
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this one, he's the goat.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Now, well, you can call anybody you want the goat.
I mean, there's no definition, there's no goat. Police that's
going to throw you in jail. Montana says, you know
that Dan Marino's the greatest quarterback of all time. I
would just say, for me, it just depends on what
you value. And then I would ask myself, at what
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age did I learn that seven is greater than four?
I'm sure I learned it when I was four, possibly three.
At what age did I learn that thirty five is
a greater number than eighteen? I would say by you know,
certainly by age five. If Mahomes wins this, you're still
talking about Tom Brady with seven championships, Mahomes with four.
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You're talking about thirty five playoff wins for Brady versus eighteen.
I mean, he's doubling and I'm up almost in both
of those categories. So tell me what you value if
you're gonna say that Mahomes has passed him. It's a
little bit like the Tiger Woods Jack Nicholas debate. I
suppose where Nicholas has put this eighteen professional majors bar
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out there for Tiger to chase. Brady has done that
for Mahomes. Certainly, there's a talent there, But but I
I think he's on the path. Certainly he's certainly matriculating
towards that title, But I don't think he's there if
he wins Sunday.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But again, uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That that's that's a that's an assertion that cannot be
proven nor falsified because it's an opinion.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Hugh we Saft and I were talking earlier. We harkened
back to Hugh Millen at Mount Sie High School with
a video camera and the parallaxe after the Chris Polk
Notre Dame game. Did we have a parallax situation with
Josh Allen and the uh and the camera yesterday on
the fourth and one quarterback sneak?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I mean you had it, uh uh on the Bill's sideline.
You had a camera. They're on a truck. They're doing
their best to get down the line, but they're not
down the line. And and when they showed they showed
the one first with with Josh Allen's back and his
spine is clearly his set number seventeen the center. If
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you just go right down the middle of his back,
you say, does it reach the line? Absolutely? They say, well,
you can't see the football there. But when you correlate
it with the other vision, you see where he's holding
the football. He's holding it right underneath his neck. It's
on his Adams apple right, it's like like.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Like a beard.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And and and then when you show the other angle,
the camera is is several inches in front and parallax.
This is this is scientific, this is I mean astronomy.
The the the placement of the of and the direction
of objects are different based on the observing point, and
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that can't I proved it back then in two thousand
and I put a football for those who don't know,
put a football on a camera jack about three feet
above the goal line, took photos straight down. The nose
of the football was four inches into the end zone
where Chris Polk was. And if you take a shot
right down the line, you can see, oh yeah, the
football clearly penetrates. But then when you move the camera
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in the in the other direction and then you shoot
down the line, the football appears to not make the line.
And he had to had exact thing going on on
on yesterday. If I would just say this, if there
was a if God came down uh and said, hey,
you want to make a bet like some Sam Elliott boyce.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You want you want to bet whether or not that
thing was a first down? Like I would bet you.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I bet everything I have and and it would take
a ninety five, It would take it would take fifty
to one for me to bet against that to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Wow, for that time have had that was a first one,
that was He thinks it was a first stat you
got you he would have.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
God's having a conversation who said, Hey, I know you
want to bet. I said, well, I think that he
made it, and for me to not bet that he
made it, I'd have to take fifty to one odds.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I wouldn't bet God, period.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I didn't realize that God sounded like the truth of
the Full Metal Jacket. By the way, number one and
then number two, that's sacrilegious. You're inferring that God's got
a gambling problem and he doesn't know the truth.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Maybe he was the devil. All right, take me into
a bet. How about that's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But Hugh okay, So so that play that Dick asked about.
So Benjamin Solac works for ESPN, and I'm sure the
kid doesn't find job. I don't pay attention to a
lot of it, so I don't know what he does.
But he's built a name for himself. He's on social
media and he's got this big video all drawn up
where he says Josh Allen should have dumped it to
Khalil Shakir and they would have had like a thirty
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yard gain potentially on fourth down. Ryan Fitzpatrick craps All
over him. Ryan Leaf's pooping on him. Ryan Leif literally
said somebody should find the guy and beat him up.
On social media, Jeff Schwartz, our Oregon buddy who played
for the Lions of the NFL, is taking shots at
him when a analyst, a reporter turned analyst, goes on
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social media and starts drawing up an alternate play for
Josh Allen where he did the wrong thing on that
play he should have turned and dumped it to Shakir,
what's your reaction to that?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, you saw Fitzpatrick basically just dunk on him and
say you have no idea what it's like to have
two free runners coming at you in the b gap. Who,
by the way, they're both dbs. Okay, those were not
defensive linemen. Two dbs as free runners. If your business
card says NFL defensive back, guess what you are? A
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world class athlete specializing in shadowing. It's the closest thing
that human beings have to cheatahs in all of mankind. Okay,
So those two DB's coming up on him. What what
this guy I'd never heard of, Benjamin Solac, but I
did a little digging on him.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Who I literally put in Google.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Who is Benjamin Solac, He says, some kid, he's graduated
from University of Chicago. There's no evidence. I looked at
this picture and I said that dude has never seen
a barbell let alone been under one, and.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
He might have been pinned under one being an issue.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well I just see this.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I'm just looking at my say, wait a minute, you
you do not look like you've ever played the game, right,
which is not a prerequisite for knowledge, but it raises
my eyebrows right away. So basically what he was contended.
Now here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The guy, it's like that term knows enough to be dangerous.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So he starts describing how Khalil Shakre is going to
come come back on what an orbit return motion? Well,
guess what some teams call that an orbit return motion Zulu.
So you look, he's got some information. And then he
proceeds to say, hey, this is a man beater, and
he gives three examples of the times where against man
to man, and then to his credit, he says, well,
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the chiefs were in his zone. And then he says
he says, well that probably made Josh Allen come off
of the read. Well that's far he's shown a fair
amount of knowledge by that assertion. But then he says
he should have thrown it to him anyways, because he says,
the only guy that he would have had Shaki would
have had to beat in the flat is a linebacker.
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The problem is he didn't identify what the zone was
because the cornerback out on that He says, well, the
cornerback is grieving ground, Jalen Watson, he's giving ground, and
so it would have been an easy throw to secure
in the swing left and he would have ran for
a first down. The problem is is that that cornerback
is in a trigger alignment where he can he's looking
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at the quarterback if the ball swings out. It's not
just the linebacker. The only reason that cornerback got deep
is because he the term is called sinking. He's sinking
with the with the receiver going deep. He's not triggering
on a swing like he was in a position to do.
And so he So here, you've got a Wally website,
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this Benjamin Solac, and he's gonna he's gonna sit here
and draw all.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
This stuff out. It's gonna sound convincing. And I know
further he's hired by ESPN. You go, well, ESPN, that's
a reputable plant.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
One of my best friends, Mark Patterson uh runs the
show for Sports Illustrated, and he collects this network of
internet publishers. They pay those guys fifty percent. They work
them like dogs. They got to kick out all this content.
And and there's no prerequessit that you played, or you
have a college degree or.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Even a high school diploma. You just got to kick
out content. So this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Solac has risen and he's got ESPN attached to the
guy never played, and so he's got a grasp of
some but he has no idea that Well, here's what
I would break it down. There were seven potential rushers
on that play. It's a five out protection empty the bills.
They send the center to the left because there's potential
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of three guys come to the left. The only way
they could have protected this was a zone drop. Yet
two guys drop out. The only way they could have
protected it is if they did a full turn protection,
meaning the right guard and the center go to the right.
That's the only way they could have protected because the
split inism what it's called a nasty split, a tight
cut split where McDuffie can come off the edge, and
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so they get two free runners and the idea that
Josh Allen should have turned and thrown to the swing back.
Here's another part that he doesn't know. He cited three
elements in the video of prior plays. Shakir on this
play goes way too far behind Alan, so he doesn't
have any lateral, which when the balls snapped the three
plays that he referenced it, this kid Solac doesn't even
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recognize that on the three prior plays that he's talking about,
the guy in motion goes to the B gap instead
of behind the center.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
So that thing that there's.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Already an execution problem. If he'd have thrown it to
this swing route, there would have been fourteen yards for
him to gain. A corner would have been triggering up
in the flat, a linebacker would have been coming inside out.
The chances of him breaking that tackle would have been
one in fifteen and so Josh Allen retreated to his right.
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Was heroic in terms of grading separation from two what
I say, defensive backs. And by the way, Kansas City
they busted the coverage. They busted that zone coverage. There
was nobody in the deep half of that field, so
the tight end Kincaid was going to a wide open spot.
If somehow they had turned the protection gone full turn
to the right, it would have been a walk in touchdown.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
But it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Because that's one of the reasons that you do is
a zone blitz a dick. It's like a full court press.
You're trying to create problem. You know, you're trying to
create traveling problems. You're trying to do all these things.
When you call the full call press, when you zone press,
you're trying to create mistakes in the backfield, and the
Buffalo made one.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You got two.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Dbs A in the B gap and Alan throws it up.
He did under the circumstances. I don't think there's one
quarterback on planet Earth, including Mahomes, that could have done
that because he's not strong enough, and maybe Mahomes maybe
I'm biting out more than I two to make that assertion.
But that was an unbelievable play and a flat out drop.
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The NFL will close with this. The NFL, I've got
the spreadsheet in the morning where they have reasons for
incompletion and on that play, there's like fifteen different reasons
in this game alone. Well, there was four drops and
that was one of them. That's a flyers up play.
I coached youth football, middle school, high school football for
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twenty four seasons. Our best receivers in eighth grade could
have caught that ball.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
That's ball.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's it's incredible to me that he dropped that ball
with the flyers up like that is a drop in
the eyes of the NFL. And and and it could
have one have been one of the all time great
plays in the NFL. So back to Solac, Yeah, he
knows enough to be dangerous, but for him to sit
there and on the under the ESPN banner and say say,
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I'm gonna second guest Josh freaking Allen on a play
where he knows some of what he's talking about but
not enough, and he gets to linger. Let that linger
in the Internet and have people, you know, Buffalo fans
go on mouse clicks and read this stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Oh yeah, Josh Allen, he should have done this book crap.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
So yeah, count me in the group with Fitzpatrick and
Ryan Leith and whoever else. For a whole bevy of
reasons only some of which I've touched on in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All right, well we only have two hours left for
the show, but you're not going anywhere, all right. We
have a lot of stuff we gotta get to. We
gotta get to more of the game yesterday. We got
to get to your early thoughts on the Eagles Chiefs game.
Clint oop Ac Hugh Millan rejoins more with him next
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Speaker 5 (17:55):
So he was back with us for another segment. And
and Hugh if the Eagles version of the tush is
a Rolex. Whatever the Bills were doing yesterday was like
the dude with the trench coat in the meatpacking district. Yeah,
selling you the fake one trench?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Is that the screed?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Is that the same sneak they've used all year? They
were horrible at it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, I've never seen Josh Allen kind of like literally
turn his hips and shoulders almost perpendicular line of scrimmage
and that, you know, kind of a delay. I've always
thought that he yeah, he goes over left guard, but
he still keeps his his hips and shoulders parallel to
the line of scrimmage. So I think it it's just
a mess. Look, just just to editorialize for a quick second,
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that play was not legal until two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
It was called assisting the runner. It was a ten
yard penalty.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
All through my career and anybody's career, up until two
thousand and five. Is sat dormant until about twenty twenty
when Jalen hurtson and and the Eagles kind of just
figured out a way to use this this uh, this absurdity,
this mockery of the game, which I hope was it
was enough with the Commanders jumping over the line and
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all that. I hope that's enough to get them to
uh uh render it impermissible in the rule change coming on.
So so look, I can't stand the play, but don't
play hate the player, hate the game, right, it's not
the Eagles fault. Jalen Hurts is fantastic at it. That
Eagle line. Pro Football focuses number one offensive line.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Obviously they've withstood the loss of Jason Kelcey. They're still
rolling and they're they're just really good at that. And
and you would think with Josh Allen that the Bills
could replicate it, but nobody's been able to replicate it
quite like the Eagles. And I hope jeff Jeffrey Lourie
doesn't have enough friends on the Owner's committee that we
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see it for another year, because I've seen my last
tush push as of this next Sunday, and I personally
never want to see it again. I don't understand how
any football fan can like that play. What skill is
being showcased in that play? I mean, fan, how you
want a fan, But for me, I think it's ridiculous
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and there's reason for eighty five years it was a penalty.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, Humillin is with us.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Hugh Dick and I were having a little conversation on
the air about McDermott. I see a guy who's won
seventy one games in six years, has lost to the
Chiefs four times in six years, and lost three of
those games by three to three and six points. I
also saw a graphic that says the Bills have had
two of the top five DVOA runs over a five
year period to have never played in the Super Bowl,
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and the other coaches on that list were John Harbaugh,
Andy Reid, and Sean Payton. How much of the bills
problems emanate from McDermott and how much of them are
just bad luck? Running into a buzz saw named Patrick
Mahomes and Andy Reid.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, first of all, I believe, I mean related to
your question, I think that Pat Mahomes it deserves the
title of a better quarterback than Josh Allen. I'm gonna
say that clearly that that should be obvious. But I
think when you talk about yesterday, if you if you
look at every single place, you think Josh Allen couldn't
executed everything that that Pat Mahomes did. If you put
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if you put Josh Allen on the Chiefs and Mahomes
on the Bills, you're gonna have the same outcome. The
Chiefs win that game. I mean, that's just conjecture on
my part. But as for McDermott, I look and I
say that they've they've had a little trouble when they
had Stefan Diggs and they had better targets, they didn't
have a running back. Now they got James Cook, but
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they don't they they're a wide receiver short. That little
Shakir in the slot is not enough. They thought they
were getting in an Amari Cooper that trade. It didn't materialize.
So I think that now the offense is just needy,
missing something and they've never had it all. Defensively, a
year ago they lost Milano and all those linebackers. This
year they lost their top.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Corner, their safety.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I mean that that absurd flyers up that was called
wrongly by my estimation, a completion. You know, that's a
rookie free safety because Taylor Rapp wasn't playing. So I
think McDermott has had some bad luck in addition to
you know, look, I mean, how on Earth back in
twenty twenty one can you not preserve a lead with
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thirteen seconds to go? So yeah, there's been there's been,
you know a number of times where you just say
Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola are just a little better
at what they do, particularly in the most critical times.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Hugh Clint Kubiak, we figured he might be the offensive coordinator.
Now we know he'll be the offensive coordinator. I don't
know how much time with all the football yesterday you've
had a chance to I gotta lock it down. But
the initial thoughts that he is the higher before we
we grill you on exus and O's here in the
next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well, I think it's a couple of things interesting at
thirty eighties, right in the thirty eight so he's right there,
the same age as Mike McDonald. I think that there's
you know, they want to connect that way. I think
that having played for Clint's dad, Gary for the Broncos
when Kubiak was the quarterback coach. You know that those
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guys from that family, they like to base their offense
off the outside zone. So Kenneth Walker, I'm trying to
take it to the C gap outside, but with the
ability to if the defense flows, he can take it
anywhere in the B gap, the A gap, cut it
back to the backside, and then from that, I think
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more under center. The Saints were fifth under center on
the Seahawks, where I think we're twenty first or twenty second.
I think there'll be more of a marriage of play
action on neutral downs as opposed to shotgun and just
kind of having that outside zone be the staple of
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what they do.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Now. I've looked at a little bit of tape and I.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Love Alvin Kamara, and I watched that game tape against
the Cowboys in Week two and they, yeah, they ran
a lot outside zone. Oh, by the way, they're number
one in terms of having two backs in the backfield,
so a lot of lead blocker that creates an extra
gap and defenses don't see it a lot. So there's
preparation involved in that, and they do run the mid zone,
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which gives you a better chance for cutback. So I
think Kenneth Walker, I think he's gonna he's gonna like
this change here.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Let me ask you about that, because you led me
right into it. We got like two minutes left here.
When Ryan Grubb got fired, the question was, well, does
this help or hurt Gino's chances of coming back next
year with the hiring of Clint Kubiak. Does that say
anything to you at all about John Schneider's willingness to
put Geno Smith on the roster with a forty four
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and a half minut dollar cap number next year.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I'm just considering that. My initial blush isn't. I don't
think it changes. I really don't. I mean it would
if Clint Kubiak watched a bunch of tape and says, hey,
I'm not a Geno fan, but you know, I don't
know that to be the case. What I had said
is is that I think Gino's coming back, but I
think the chances were reduced slightly when Ryan Grubb left,
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because one of the reasons for retaining Ryan Grubb would
be the continuity with your quarterback, the terminology they've learned
and you can pick it up in mini camp and
go where you left off. Well, if you don't have
that with Gino, it might be an impetus to say, well,
let's start over with a new quarterback, because our new
quarterback is going to have to be starting over with
the whole new system anyway.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
So that was my thought.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I still think Gino's more likely, it's more probable than
fifty percent that he'll be the quarterback. But I don't
see a connection their day. I think it's a good question.
One I haven't given enough thought. But at my first
response would be I don't think it affects the material.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well, you know what, get on, all right, it's about
time you brought something to the freaking station for God's sakes.
Al Right, next time, next time you come on this show,
you better be freaking prepared. Milling all right, man, great stuff,
love it and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Pal, Thank you, buddy, Okay, hammer down, guys, all right,
you're milling with us.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Little textimonials coming next four nine, four five, one, Pete Carroll, Man,
we're talking off here, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There were like four press conferences today.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Uh, Liam Cohen with a Jaguar Schottenheimer in Dallas, Aaron
Glenn with the Jets and Pete Carroll with the Raiders.
We're gonna hear a little bit from the new coach
of the Raiders at five point thirty. Big al Kiniski
at five forty five before cracking oilers.
Joining us right now on the radio program A little
moored for here. We got sparks flying here already, baby,
Oh yes, yere Buffalo, Kansas City, McDermott, Mahomes, Andy Reid,
Josh Allen, the official Xavior Worthy, Dalton Kincaid. I mean, man,
I can't imagine what it's actually liking Buffalo right now
doing the radio show out there.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Can't be worse than what's happening out here. How are you, man?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I can't even imagine those poor folks in Buffalo. One
hundred and twenty seven years of professional sports, no parades outright,
Josh Allen one of the most talented, greatest competitors in
the history of quarterbacking, and you know here they are
just holding the bag again with nothing.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, is the story for you, Dick and I Jackson
talking about this in the first segment? Is the story
for you more about what the Chiefs have accomplished or
more about what the Bills haven't been able to get
done because of what the Chiefs haven't accomplished.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, I think being on the press of three super
Bowl championships that's epic and historic. But I think I
think it's not just the Bills. Uh you know, here,
Josh Allen, he's gonna be, you know, the main figure
that everybody's gonna point at. But here's a guy that
you know has has a postseason with a ninety five QBR,
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greatest postseason ever in the QBR era. I mean yesterday
he had a seventy one, which would have placed him
fourth in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So he's a.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Top top five QBR guy yesterday. And that's counting those
devastating runs. If you go the QBR for just passes,
he out quote unquote outdueled Pat Mahomes. He had more
air yards than Pat Mahomes. It's just that that uh
at that the most the most pressure packed moments. Spagnola,
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he he derives the right defense, and Andy Raid devises
the right offenses, and and Mahomes get to have easy
little shallow cross, little din dink and dunks to wide
open guys, and Josh Allen has free runners in his
face and guy's dropping balls down the field.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It's just, you know, just kind of one of those things.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
But if I was in Buffalo, I think I'd be
drinking hard liquor and I'd be willing to experiment with
black Tar Heroin.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well, you you've mentioned that watching Josh Allen is football porn. Well,
if watching Josh Allen as football porn, I was thinking
about you yesterday with that opening drive that Andy Reid
put together. If watching Josh Allen's putting football porn, what
is watching a scripted Andy Reid drive to you?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, I think what was conspicuous about that is that
those were run plays. That all the the top throws
in that drive were run plays with RPOs and and
and here you know, Andy didn't know when he set
that play in and he and he wrote that script
that those would be pass plays. But they've got nice
little steam routes. They they have motions that create a
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little bit of confusion and separation. So in those zones
what's called the conflict defender that Pat Mahomes is reading.
Those guys get slightly outside leverage and now you've got
an inbreaking route on an r PO and Mahomes just
rises up. And even though the offensive line is blocking
run and there's running backs taking a run path, Mahomes,
that's what an RPO is. He just rises up and
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hits it. So you know, you know you've got a
very experienced one of the greatest ever. You know, you know,
probably arguabent in the top two. Now he's ready to
play from the very first play of the game.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He's ready to go from the jump, and he showed
it on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, what if somebody said to you, hey, if he
wins next Sunday, he's the goat. He's one. Uh, he's
won four of them. He's twenty nine years old. What
is it four out of six at that point, I
think it's right, dick. They nobody's made five out of six.
I mean, is he'd be eight tea and three in
the postseason overall, which is incredible. What if somebody stopped
you in the street and said, dude, if he wins
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this one, he's the goat.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Now, well, you can call anybody you want the goat.
I mean, there's no definition, there's no goat. Police that's
going to throw you in jail. Montana says, you know
that Dan Marino's the greatest quarterback of all time. I
would just say, for me, it just depends on what
you value. And then I would ask myself, at what
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age did I learn that seven is greater than four?
I'm sure I learned it when I was four, possibly three.
At what age did I learn that thirty five is
a greater number than eighteen? I would say by you know,
certainly by age five. If Mahomes wins this, you're still
talking about Tom Brady with seven championships, Mahomes with four.
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You're talking about thirty five playoff wins for Brady versus eighteen.
I mean, he's doubling and I'm up almost in both
of those categories. So tell me what you value if
you're gonna say that Mahomes has passed him. It's a
little bit like the Tiger Woods Jack Nicholas debate. I
suppose where Nicholas has put this eighteen professional majors bar
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out there for Tiger to chase. Brady has done that
for Mahomes. Certainly, there's a talent there, But but I
I think he's on the path. Certainly he's certainly matriculating
towards that title, But I don't think he's there if
he wins Sunday.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But again, uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That that's that's a that's an assertion that cannot be
proven nor falsified because it's an opinion.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Hugh we Saft and I were talking earlier. We harkened
back to Hugh Millen at Mount Sie High School with
a video camera and the parallaxe after the Chris Polk
Notre Dame game. Did we have a parallax situation with
Josh Allen and the uh and the camera yesterday on
the fourth and one quarterback sneak?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I mean you had it, uh uh on the Bill's sideline.
You had a camera. They're on a truck. They're doing
their best to get down the line, but they're not
down the line. And and when they showed they showed
the one first with with Josh Allen's back and his
spine is clearly his set number seventeen the center. If
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you just go right down the middle of his back,
you say, does it reach the line? Absolutely? They say, well,
you can't see the football there. But when you correlate
it with the other vision, you see where he's holding
the football. He's holding it right underneath his neck. It's
on his Adams apple right, it's like like.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Like a beard.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And and and then when you show the other angle,
the camera is is several inches in front and parallax.
This is this is scientific, this is I mean astronomy.
The the the placement of the of and the direction
of objects are different based on the observing point, and
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that can't I proved it back then in two thousand
and I put a football for those who don't know,
put a football on a camera jack about three feet
above the goal line, took photos straight down. The nose
of the football was four inches into the end zone
where Chris Polk was. And if you take a shot
right down the line, you can see, oh yeah, the
football clearly penetrates. But then when you move the camera
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in the in the other direction and then you shoot
down the line, the football appears to not make the line.
And he had to had exact thing going on on
on yesterday. If I would just say this, if there
was a if God came down uh and said, hey,
you want to make a bet like some Sam Elliott boyce.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You want you want to bet whether or not that
thing was a first down? Like I would bet you.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I bet everything I have and and it would take
a ninety five, It would take it would take fifty
to one for me to bet against that to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Wow, for that time have had that was a first one,
that was He thinks it was a first stat you
got you he would have.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
God's having a conversation who said, Hey, I know you
want to bet. I said, well, I think that he
made it, and for me to not bet that he
made it, I'd have to take fifty to one odds.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I wouldn't bet God, period.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I didn't realize that God sounded like the truth of
the Full Metal Jacket. By the way, number one and
then number two, that's sacrilegious. You're inferring that God's got
a gambling problem and he doesn't know the truth.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Maybe he was the devil. All right, take me into
a bet. How about that's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But Hugh okay, So so that play that Dick asked about.
So Benjamin Solac works for ESPN, and I'm sure the
kid doesn't find job. I don't pay attention to a
lot of it, so I don't know what he does.
But he's built a name for himself. He's on social
media and he's got this big video all drawn up
where he says Josh Allen should have dumped it to
Khalil Shakir and they would have had like a thirty
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yard gain potentially on fourth down. Ryan Fitzpatrick craps All
over him. Ryan Leaf's pooping on him. Ryan Leif literally
said somebody should find the guy and beat him up.
On social media, Jeff Schwartz, our Oregon buddy who played
for the Lions of the NFL, is taking shots at
him when a analyst, a reporter turned analyst, goes on
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social media and starts drawing up an alternate play for
Josh Allen where he did the wrong thing on that
play he should have turned and dumped it to Shakir,
what's your reaction to that?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, you saw Fitzpatrick basically just dunk on him and
say you have no idea what it's like to have
two free runners coming at you in the b gap. Who,
by the way, they're both dbs. Okay, those were not
defensive linemen. Two dbs as free runners. If your business
card says NFL defensive back, guess what you are? A
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world class athlete specializing in shadowing. It's the closest thing
that human beings have to cheatahs in all of mankind. Okay,
So those two DB's coming up on him. What what
this guy I'd never heard of, Benjamin Solac, but I
did a little digging on him.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Who I literally put in Google.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Who is Benjamin Solac, He says, some kid, he's graduated
from University of Chicago. There's no evidence. I looked at
this picture and I said that dude has never seen
a barbell let alone been under one, and.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
He might have been pinned under one being an issue.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well I just see this.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I'm just looking at my say, wait a minute, you
you do not look like you've ever played the game, right,
which is not a prerequisite for knowledge, but it raises
my eyebrows right away. So basically what he was contended.
Now here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The guy, it's like that term knows enough to be dangerous.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So he starts describing how Khalil Shakre is going to
come come back on what an orbit return motion? Well,
guess what some teams call that an orbit return motion Zulu.
So you look, he's got some information. And then he
proceeds to say, hey, this is a man beater, and
he gives three examples of the times where against man
to man, and then to his credit, he says, well,
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the chiefs were in his zone. And then he says
he says, well that probably made Josh Allen come off
of the read. Well that's far he's shown a fair
amount of knowledge by that assertion. But then he says
he should have thrown it to him anyways, because he says,
the only guy that he would have had Shaki would
have had to beat in the flat is a linebacker.
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The problem is he didn't identify what the zone was
because the cornerback out on that He says, well, the
cornerback is grieving ground, Jalen Watson, he's giving ground, and
so it would have been an easy throw to secure
in the swing left and he would have ran for
a first down. The problem is is that that cornerback
is in a trigger alignment where he can he's looking
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at the quarterback if the ball swings out. It's not
just the linebacker. The only reason that cornerback got deep
is because he the term is called sinking. He's sinking
with the with the receiver going deep. He's not triggering
on a swing like he was in a position to do.
And so he So here, you've got a Wally website,
(12:17):
this Benjamin Solac, and he's gonna he's gonna sit here
and draw all.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
This stuff out. It's gonna sound convincing. And I know
further he's hired by ESPN. You go, well, ESPN, that's
a reputable plant.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
One of my best friends, Mark Patterson uh runs the
show for Sports Illustrated, and he collects this network of
internet publishers. They pay those guys fifty percent. They work
them like dogs. They got to kick out all this content.
And and there's no prerequessit that you played, or you
have a college degree or.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Even a high school diploma. You just got to kick
out content. So this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Solac has risen and he's got ESPN attached to the
guy never played, and so he's got a grasp of
some but he has no idea that Well, here's what
I would break it down. There were seven potential rushers
on that play. It's a five out protection empty the bills.
They send the center to the left because there's potential
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of three guys come to the left. The only way
they could have protected this was a zone drop. Yet
two guys drop out. The only way they could have
protected it is if they did a full turn protection,
meaning the right guard and the center go to the right.
That's the only way they could have protected because the
split inism what it's called a nasty split, a tight
cut split where McDuffie can come off the edge, and
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so they get two free runners and the idea that
Josh Allen should have turned and thrown to the swing back.
Here's another part that he doesn't know. He cited three
elements in the video of prior plays. Shakir on this
play goes way too far behind Alan, so he doesn't
have any lateral, which when the balls snapped the three
plays that he referenced it, this kid Solac doesn't even
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recognize that on the three prior plays that he's talking about,
the guy in motion goes to the B gap instead
of behind the center.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
So that thing that there's.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Already an execution problem. If he'd have thrown it to
this swing route, there would have been fourteen yards for
him to gain. A corner would have been triggering up
in the flat, a linebacker would have been coming inside out.
The chances of him breaking that tackle would have been
one in fifteen and so Josh Allen retreated to his right.
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Was heroic in terms of grading separation from two what
I say, defensive backs. And by the way, Kansas City
they busted the coverage. They busted that zone coverage. There
was nobody in the deep half of that field, so
the tight end Kincaid was going to a wide open spot.
If somehow they had turned the protection gone full turn
to the right, it would have been a walk in touchdown.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
But it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Because that's one of the reasons that you do is
a zone blitz a dick. It's like a full court press.
You're trying to create problem. You know, you're trying to
create traveling problems. You're trying to do all these things.
When you call the full call press, when you zone press,
you're trying to create mistakes in the backfield, and the
Buffalo made one.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You got two.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Dbs A in the B gap and Alan throws it up.
He did under the circumstances. I don't think there's one
quarterback on planet Earth, including Mahomes, that could have done
that because he's not strong enough, and maybe Mahomes maybe
I'm biting out more than I two to make that assertion.
But that was an unbelievable play and a flat out drop.
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The NFL will close with this. The NFL, I've got
the spreadsheet in the morning where they have reasons for
incompletion and on that play, there's like fifteen different reasons
in this game alone. Well, there was four drops and
that was one of them. That's a flyers up play.
I coached youth football, middle school, high school football for
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twenty four seasons. Our best receivers in eighth grade could
have caught that ball.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
That's ball.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's it's incredible to me that he dropped that ball
with the flyers up like that is a drop in
the eyes of the NFL. And and and it could
have one have been one of the all time great
plays in the NFL. So back to Solac, Yeah, he
knows enough to be dangerous, but for him to sit
there and on the under the ESPN banner and say say,
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I'm gonna second guest Josh freaking Allen on a play
where he knows some of what he's talking about but
not enough, and he gets to linger. Let that linger
in the Internet and have people, you know, Buffalo fans
go on mouse clicks and read this stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Oh yeah, Josh Allen, he should have done this book crap.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
So yeah, count me in the group with Fitzpatrick and
Ryan Leith and whoever else. For a whole bevy of
reasons only some of which I've touched on in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All right, well we only have two hours left for
the show, but you're not going anywhere, all right. We
have a lot of stuff we gotta get to. We
gotta get to more of the game yesterday. We got
to get to your early thoughts on the Eagles Chiefs game.
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Speaker 5 (17:55):
So he was back with us for another segment. And
and Hugh if the Eagles version of the tush is
a Rolex. Whatever the Bills were doing yesterday was like
the dude with the trench coat in the meatpacking district. Yeah,
selling you the fake one trench?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Is that the screed?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Is that the same sneak they've used all year? They
were horrible at it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, I've never seen Josh Allen kind of like literally
turn his hips and shoulders almost perpendicular line of scrimmage
and that, you know, kind of a delay. I've always
thought that he yeah, he goes over left guard, but
he still keeps his his hips and shoulders parallel to
the line of scrimmage. So I think it it's just
a mess. Look, just just to editorialize for a quick second,
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that play was not legal until two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
It was called assisting the runner. It was a ten
yard penalty.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
All through my career and anybody's career, up until two
thousand and five. Is sat dormant until about twenty twenty
when Jalen hurtson and and the Eagles kind of just
figured out a way to use this this uh, this absurdity,
this mockery of the game, which I hope was it
was enough with the Commanders jumping over the line and
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all that. I hope that's enough to get them to
uh uh render it impermissible in the rule change coming on.
So so look, I can't stand the play, but don't
play hate the player, hate the game, right, it's not
the Eagles fault. Jalen Hurts is fantastic at it. That
Eagle line. Pro Football focuses number one offensive line.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Obviously they've withstood the loss of Jason Kelcey. They're still
rolling and they're they're just really good at that. And
and you would think with Josh Allen that the Bills
could replicate it, but nobody's been able to replicate it
quite like the Eagles. And I hope jeff Jeffrey Lourie
doesn't have enough friends on the Owner's committee that we
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see it for another year, because I've seen my last
tush push as of this next Sunday, and I personally
never want to see it again. I don't understand how
any football fan can like that play. What skill is
being showcased in that play? I mean, fan, how you
want a fan, But for me, I think it's ridiculous
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and there's reason for eighty five years it was a penalty.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, Humillin is with us.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Hugh Dick and I were having a little conversation on
the air about McDermott. I see a guy who's won
seventy one games in six years, has lost to the
Chiefs four times in six years, and lost three of
those games by three to three and six points. I
also saw a graphic that says the Bills have had
two of the top five DVOA runs over a five
year period to have never played in the Super Bowl,
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and the other coaches on that list were John Harbaugh,
Andy Reid, and Sean Payton. How much of the bills
problems emanate from McDermott and how much of them are
just bad luck? Running into a buzz saw named Patrick
Mahomes and Andy Reid.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, first of all, I believe, I mean related to
your question, I think that Pat Mahomes it deserves the
title of a better quarterback than Josh Allen. I'm gonna
say that clearly that that should be obvious. But I
think when you talk about yesterday, if you if you
look at every single place, you think Josh Allen couldn't
executed everything that that Pat Mahomes did. If you put
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if you put Josh Allen on the Chiefs and Mahomes
on the Bills, you're gonna have the same outcome. The
Chiefs win that game. I mean, that's just conjecture on
my part. But as for McDermott, I look and I
say that they've they've had a little trouble when they
had Stefan Diggs and they had better targets, they didn't
have a running back. Now they got James Cook, but
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they don't they they're a wide receiver short. That little
Shakir in the slot is not enough. They thought they
were getting in an Amari Cooper that trade. It didn't materialize.
So I think that now the offense is just needy,
missing something and they've never had it all. Defensively, a
year ago they lost Milano and all those linebackers. This
year they lost their top.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Corner, their safety.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I mean that that absurd flyers up that was called
wrongly by my estimation, a completion. You know, that's a
rookie free safety because Taylor Rapp wasn't playing. So I
think McDermott has had some bad luck in addition to
you know, look, I mean, how on Earth back in
twenty twenty one can you not preserve a lead with
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thirteen seconds to go? So yeah, there's been there's been,
you know a number of times where you just say
Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola are just a little better
at what they do, particularly in the most critical times.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Hugh Clint Kubiak, we figured he might be the offensive coordinator.
Now we know he'll be the offensive coordinator. I don't
know how much time with all the football yesterday you've
had a chance to I gotta lock it down. But
the initial thoughts that he is the higher before we
we grill you on exus and O's here in the
next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well, I think it's a couple of things interesting at
thirty eighties, right in the thirty eight so he's right there,
the same age as Mike McDonald. I think that there's
you know, they want to connect that way. I think
that having played for Clint's dad, Gary for the Broncos
when Kubiak was the quarterback coach. You know that those
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guys from that family, they like to base their offense
off the outside zone. So Kenneth Walker, I'm trying to
take it to the C gap outside, but with the
ability to if the defense flows, he can take it
anywhere in the B gap, the A gap, cut it
back to the backside, and then from that, I think
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more under center. The Saints were fifth under center on
the Seahawks, where I think we're twenty first or twenty second.
I think there'll be more of a marriage of play
action on neutral downs as opposed to shotgun and just
kind of having that outside zone be the staple of
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what they do.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Now. I've looked at a little bit of tape and I.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Love Alvin Kamara, and I watched that game tape against
the Cowboys in Week two and they, yeah, they ran
a lot outside zone. Oh, by the way, they're number
one in terms of having two backs in the backfield,
so a lot of lead blocker that creates an extra
gap and defenses don't see it a lot. So there's
preparation involved in that, and they do run the mid zone,
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which gives you a better chance for cutback. So I
think Kenneth Walker, I think he's gonna he's gonna like
this change here.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Let me ask you about that, because you led me
right into it. We got like two minutes left here.
When Ryan Grubb got fired, the question was, well, does
this help or hurt Gino's chances of coming back next
year with the hiring of Clint Kubiak. Does that say
anything to you at all about John Schneider's willingness to
put Geno Smith on the roster with a forty four
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and a half minut dollar cap number next year.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I'm just considering that. My initial blush isn't. I don't
think it changes. I really don't. I mean it would
if Clint Kubiak watched a bunch of tape and says, hey,
I'm not a Geno fan, but you know, I don't
know that to be the case. What I had said
is is that I think Gino's coming back, but I
think the chances were reduced slightly when Ryan Grubb left,
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because one of the reasons for retaining Ryan Grubb would
be the continuity with your quarterback, the terminology they've learned
and you can pick it up in mini camp and
go where you left off. Well, if you don't have
that with Gino, it might be an impetus to say, well,
let's start over with a new quarterback, because our new
quarterback is going to have to be starting over with
the whole new system anyway.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
So that was my thought.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I still think Gino's more likely, it's more probable than
fifty percent that he'll be the quarterback. But I don't
see a connection their day. I think it's a good question.
One I haven't given enough thought. But at my first
response would be I don't think it affects the material.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well, you know what, get on, all right, it's about
time you brought something to the freaking station for God's sakes.
Al Right, next time, next time you come on this show,
you better be freaking prepared. Milling all right, man, great stuff,
love it and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Pal, Thank you, buddy, Okay, hammer down, guys, all right,
you're milling with us.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Little textimonials coming next four nine, four five, one, Pete Carroll, Man,
we're talking off here, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There were like four press conferences today.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Uh, Liam Cohen with a Jaguar Schottenheimer in Dallas, Aaron
Glenn with the Jets and Pete Carroll with the Raiders.
We're gonna hear a little bit from the new coach
of the Raiders at five point thirty. Big al Kiniski
at five forty five before cracking oilers.
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