November 26, 2024 • 19 mins
Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about UW’s game at Oregon this week, the Huskies quarterback decision, the Heisman Trophy race, Alabama crumbling, and Indiana getting crushed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Everybody's Friend, John Wilner, John, How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm good? Thanks? How you guys?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
We're good. We're good.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So, Greg and Mario we're just in here for the
Husky Hanks show that we do every Tuesday. And I
asked those guys to give us a pathway to victory
for you, Dub on Saturday, and Greg said, the pathway
to victory is through Dan Lanning's dipstick brain and having
him do something stupid that Washington can take advantage of.
(01:25):
So what about you. If there's a path to victory
for you, Dub, what does it look like?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I think certainly Oregon would have to contribute to Washington's victory.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
That could be with Lanning doing his ultra aggressive, slash
reckless decisions on fourth down and in the red zone.
It could be some turnovers, it could be special teams breakdowns.
But I think that the only way Washington could win
is if they get help.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
They got to play very well and.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
They got to get some help because other it's just
gonna be it's too tough. The Oregon's got too much talented,
too many of the positions.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
John, we're giving you full power to name the starting
quarterback for Washington. Who are you naming?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I would go with Williams even though it's such a
hard environment. I think the Huskies have got to do
something different. Now, I don't think Williams can win them
the game. What I would see is they got a
couple a package of plays for the first couple series
that Oregon is not ready for that they can use
(02:35):
Williams with and they can move the ball and maybe
get in the end zone once or twice until Oregon
adjust what they're seeing. But that could be better than
anything they get with Rogers, because Oregon's gonna be ready
for all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Now.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
The Huskies they need some kind of element of surprise, ye,
something that Oregon's not ready for.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I think at the end, the question is if you
go with them on Williams, And we asked Mario Bailey
this question last hour. Are you sticking with him no
matter what or if the offense begins to struggle, do
you dare go back to the guy that you just
bench to come in and save your bacon?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I would like it's like a Game seven in the
World Series, all pitchers are available.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I would do whatever it took.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
If I was Jedfish, if that means going to Rogers,
I'd go to Rogers.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Absolutely, I do whatever whatever I can do to win
the game. And you know will Rodgers is a veteran,
and I would think that even if he's benched, Yeah,
he'd be ready to come in and that would be
a great story. Right, he comes in and does well
and leads them either to victory or a super close game.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, Why do you believe that? Why do you believe
that he would be of that mindset and not just
kind of checked out, pissed off, angry, salty about getting
replaced by an eighteen year old freshman.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean, he might be, but I just think a
lot of these kids are pretty mature, especially the ones
that have schools and dealt with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know. Just I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I'm just guessing that there's a chance he would react
like that. Now, Fish should have a pretty good idea
of what he's gonna get, and if he senses that
Rogers has checked out, then you don't go to him.
But if Williams is struggling and you think you can
get something out of Rogers, I wouldn't hesitate for a
second to do it.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Both these teams had an early season by and a
late season by.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Is that just kind of where we're moving in college
football now? With the extended seasons.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Well this year, so the NCAA sets the competition calendar, right,
and this.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Year there are two bye weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
It's a fourteen week regular season for twelve games.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So everybody had two buys. That's also the situation next year.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
So that gives the conferences some flexibility to you know,
give everybody a buye when they kind of need it,
you know, for middle third of the season, but also
to use that second by tactically before rivalry games. I mean,
it serves the Big ten's purpose for Washington and Oregon.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
To be at their best, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
For this game, and you don't want one team to
have the buye and the other not. That happened a
bunch of times in the Pac twelve because Paxill had
no idea how to schedule.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But I think it's great that they're doing this.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
They can't always do it if there's only one bye week,
but to me, it makes for the best product in
what is a big game for the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, John Wilners with us again. We'll get off the
Oregon U doub game a second, but I want to
just bring up something that I said on your podcast yesterday,
and I want to know if you agree that, I
think this would be a bigger loss than a bigger
win for Dan Lanning. He's supposed to win. He's a
twenty point favorite, for God's sakes. Even if they you know,
win the game, they still have bigger life your goals
(06:00):
this year.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
If they lose the game.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He's zero and four against Washington and they're staring two
consecutive losses right in the kisser with a higher state
up next in the Big Ten Championship. So would this
be a bigger loss or a bigger win for Dan Landing?
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Way? Bigger loss? Yeah, I think it would.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I mean, you know, it's not catastrophic for him, but
it would be a bad, bad loss. It would be worse, way,
worse than the previous three combined. Right it's in Eugene
and their favorite by twenty and everybody knows Washington is
recalibrating this year. Absolutely, I think even if it's a
(06:39):
if it is a one score game with five minutes
to go, that's it's it's a bad performance for Oregon.
And you know it's not gonna affect Oregon's postseason.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They're getting in the playoff no matter what.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But it will be something that will remain, you know,
in the Pacific Northwest, with those two schools, with recruiting,
with the fans. It'll hang over Landing's head. Absolutely, I
think it'll be a terrible loss for him.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Well, let's talk about how we get there to that
one score game with five minutes left. You're talking about
you you mentioned earlier, and I think accurately, so have
something cooked up that they haven't seen yet, and maybe
you can get a touchdown or two early and kind
of you know, shocking on in the first in the
first quarter. But then stylistically, is it just hey, let's
be really conservative, let's just move the chains and let's
(07:28):
limit the number of touches that Dylan Gabriel gets over
the course of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Absolutely, I think I think Washington has got to be
really good on special teams, very especially on their coverage units.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
The the other.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Thing is, and this would be my scheme of the
week for Husky fans, complimentary football.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
The defense has played very well, but it can't.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You can't just rely on the defense to hold up
drive after drive against the Oregon without the offense moving
the ball and scoring points.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Right, I see something This is if I'm a Husky fan.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
This is my concerns that it is twenty to ten
at halftime, seventeen ten at halftime, but Washington just cannot
move the ball. Then it becomes twenty four to ten
and twenty seven to ten, and then you get to
the midpoint of the fourth quarter and Udub's defense is gassed,
and Oregon scores a couple of late touchdowns and it
ends up looking like a blowout. But it's because Washington's
(08:31):
offense couldn't do enough to.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Support the defense.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I actually I looked up the Huskies and we know
that we've talked about it. Washington has not played well
on the road offensively, right.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I looked it up.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Away from home red zone touchdown percentage, Washington is one
hundred and twenty ninth in the country. Third down conversions
away from home, Washington is one hundred and twenty fourth
in the country. They've got to do those two things
at a reasonable level to give their defense a chance.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The red zone numbers, is that scoring or touchdowns? That's
touchdown touchdowns one hundred and twenty ninth on the road
on hundred and twenty fourth and third down percentage on offense. Yeah, well,
Neither one of those numbers are good, and that won't
work if they want to win this game and upset
the Ducks on Saturday. John Wilner is with us and John,
do you agree that the Heisman Trophy is down to
a three player race between Ashton Gent, Travis Hunter, and
(09:27):
Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And if you do, if you had to vote today,
who's your pick?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
My pick would be Hunter? Okay, who was doing stuff
we have not seen. He's kind of like the college
football version of o'tani. But I do think it's down
three and that's mostly because there isn't a standout SEC
quarterback right and that is typically you you know, you
almost always get one of those guys as a Heisman finalist.
(09:58):
And it's interesting that has happened because the SEC now
has Oklahoma and Texas and they still haven't produced a
quarterback playing at that level. Milroe just has had too much,
too many ups and downs. It hasn't been a good
year there, and so I do think it's those three guys,
and it's got not only a Western field, but you know,
(10:20):
Ann the winner is not going to be a quarterback,
which doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Well, you mentioned Milroe. I mean, it's been such a
crazy season for him.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
John.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
At the end of the Georgia game, he had ten touchdowns,
one interception, and he'd run for almost three hundred yards.
In four games since then, he's got five touchdowns and
eight picks. Why has it not worked? I thought Milroe
and Kaitlin de Bor would be a match made in heaven.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I don't know exactly what's going on there, But it's
not just Milrow, it's Alabama's entire team have been up
and down. They've looked really good sometimes and then they've
looked really bad.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Right, they go as mill Road goes, he goes as
they go. You know.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I was trying to think, how did Washington do under
debor after big wins?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right? Did they have the letdown situations? Right?
Speaker 5 (11:13):
The ASU game last year was that was a post
right after Oregon?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Right, that was a letdown game.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, but the thing with but John, the thing with
Kaylyn de Bor is he's had multiple over the two
years that he was with Washington. There was a lot
of games the ASU game in twenty twenty two, three
or four games last year Washington State Oregon State where
he just playing five hundred his teams and they just
are flat many times.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They just happened to win them all last year.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh but a lot of coaches do that on the
way to thirteen fourteen wins. I mean those I saw
you tweet that, Dick the other day. We should talk
about that later. But I think a lot of coaches.
Nobody goes out and wins every game by seventy points.
I mean, that's just not going to happen.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So I have very few teams like Washington have that
many just heart in your throat games and wins.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Oh no, we last year. Year was totally different. I mean,
we'll never see a year like that as long as
we live. But I'm just going back to last season.
The Arizona State game was after they beat Oregon the
first time and they won fifteen to seven. And then
what would be the other close game a year ago,
Tazoo Oregon State Utah Zoo was after the Beaver game,
(12:20):
and then Oregon State was after the Utah game. But
Oregon State and Utah were ranked. That was the eighteen
and number eleven ranked teams in the country when they
played him last year. So I got a problem with that.
But John, I guess The question with the boor is
how much trouble is he really in down there? I mean,
I'm getting a phone call from our buddy down there,
and he says, Man, if he loses the Iron Bowl,
there's going to be people talking about firing this guy.
(12:42):
Was seventy million dollars left in his contract? Is that
even remotely worth talking about if he loses this game
to Auburn?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
No, well, people will.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Talk about it.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I would be shocked if he got fired. That's absolutely shocked. Yeah,
what's happening to Alabama?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Both with the letdowns, who were just talking talking about
just everything, they all of a sudden have lost their immunity.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Right, Shaban was like a vaccine.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
They didn't have the same issues with nil, they didn't
have the same issues with the transfer portal, they didn't
have the same issues with the inconsistent play. Right even
there were times where they would struggle against five hundred teams,
but they'd always win. Right he was he prevented them
from having the same problems that every other program has.
(13:31):
And now it's like they have been cast down with
the masses, and all of a sudden, we're seeing Alabama
vulnerable to these dynamics that everybody else has been dealing
with for fifteen years and they never.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Had to deal with john Is Saban was so incredible.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Yeah, no question. What did you think of the Court
of public opinion whooping that coach sig and Indiana got
the last six days?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Uh, you know, he brought some bit on himself. I
kind of find his his brashness refreshing. But like the
whole thing about google it on the Ohio Stadium scoreboard,
I mean, he asked for a lot of this stuff
and he's probably fine with it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
They they played a bad schedule and they beat a
lot of mediocre teams soundly, and you give him credit
for that, but that was their one game that they got.
They had to show they belonged right, and they didn't
show it. And they're probably gonna get in the playoffs
right because of the collapse of the SEC, But I
don't think they deserve to be. And I think you
should have to beat a team with a winning record
(14:38):
to get in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
It should be like bare bones criteria.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And they're probably gonna finish the season without a single
win over a team that's got sept seven wins.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Or more what happened to Washington State.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
WHOA, the defense is terrible New Mexico. I mean, you
guys probably watched a little bit of Oregon State org.
Just it went weeks where they couldn't do anything on
offense and they moved the ball well. Between New Mexico
and the Beavers, that's like nine hundred yards of offense
against the Cougars. So their defense has just collapsed. I
think teams have adjusted a little bit to Matier, He's
(15:12):
still very good. But you know, they beat They got
the softer schedule in a lot of ways of who
they could have played in the Mountain West, and you know,
they did well, they played well early, but the defense
is just kind of given way, they're gonna end up
in a pretty good bowl game.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They should be Wyoming. They'll finish nine and three.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
You know, maybe they're gonna get to the Vegas Ball
for instance, but certainly given where they were, it's gonna
feel worse than it is for Cougar fans.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Well, on the topic of the PAC two in the
Mountain West, where do we stand on the court proceedings.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Well, the Mountain West just filed a motion to dismiss
the lawsuit. We're not gonna know for months. I think
the hearing on that is scheduled for March. We're not
gonna know for months. But you know, my sense is
that the PAC twelve has got a pretty good case.
And really what they're trying to do is dragging into
(16:09):
a negotiated settlement and hammer They owe fifty five million
to the Mountain West for for poaching those five schools,
and they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Try to drag it, drag it out and pound that
down to say, twenty twenty five million and be good
with that. So I think they got a pretty good
chance of making that happen.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
All right, Uh, you're in a little bit of a
role here. Well, you're actually not. I'm sorry you lost
last week?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Was you just kidding? John?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
My bad?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know what I was doing, Dick, I was looking
at New Heiseel's record, New Heiseel one with ASU over BYU.
But John lost with the Cougars, So you are now, man, that's.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
What you get for having faith in the coops.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
John, Well, I thought they'd too. I thought they'd win too.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It was more about not having any faith in the
of course air Force game.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, they're terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean Vegas had Wazoo was a thirteen point favor
for God's six. John, You've lost five of six overall
in the last month and a half.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So let's turn this bad boy around. Who do you
like this week?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
The Windelorean has fallen off the path, he's lost his way. Yeah,
they're going to get him back on the straight and arrow.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
What do you got?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, boy, I need to kind of get bull eligible here,
all right.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know I have.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Actually because I feel like I need to pick the
Oregon Washington game, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go with
the Ducks because I think I think it's gonna be
pretty close for three quarters, and I just I just
am not confident that Washington's offense is going to do enough, okay,
and the defense is just gonna kind of eventually give way.
(17:46):
And that is what happens if you don't play complimentary football.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
All right, Oregon's given nineteen and a half against the
Dogs on Saturday. All right, man, John, listen, have a
great Thanksgiving this week. Thankful for everything you do for
the radio show in station and talking a week man,
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, thanks guys, and thanks to simply Seattle for everything. Everybody,
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Speaker 3 (18:07):
No doubt you're the best. John Wilner with us, and again,
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he is joining us on the radio show The Pope
of the Pack The Big Ten bearon our Friend, Your Friend,
Everybody's Friend, John Wilner, John, How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm good? Thanks? How you guys?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
We're good. We're good.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So, Greg and Mario we're just in here for the
Husky Hanks show that we do every Tuesday. And I
asked those guys to give us a pathway to victory
for you, Dub on Saturday, and Greg said, the pathway
to victory is through Dan Lanning's dipstick brain and having
him do something stupid that Washington can take advantage of.
(01:25):
So what about you. If there's a path to victory
for you, Dub, what does it look like?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I think certainly Oregon would have to contribute to Washington's victory.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
That could be with Lanning doing his ultra aggressive, slash
reckless decisions on fourth down and in the red zone.
It could be some turnovers, it could be special teams breakdowns.
But I think that the only way Washington could win
is if they get help.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
They got to play very well and.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
They got to get some help because other it's just
gonna be it's too tough. The Oregon's got too much talented,
too many of the positions.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
John, we're giving you full power to name the starting
quarterback for Washington. Who are you naming?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I would go with Williams even though it's such a
hard environment. I think the Huskies have got to do
something different. Now, I don't think Williams can win them
the game. What I would see is they got a
couple a package of plays for the first couple series
that Oregon is not ready for that they can use
(02:35):
Williams with and they can move the ball and maybe
get in the end zone once or twice until Oregon
adjust what they're seeing. But that could be better than
anything they get with Rogers, because Oregon's gonna be ready
for all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Now.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
The Huskies they need some kind of element of surprise, ye,
something that Oregon's not ready for.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I think at the end, the question is if you
go with them on Williams, And we asked Mario Bailey
this question last hour. Are you sticking with him no
matter what or if the offense begins to struggle, do
you dare go back to the guy that you just
bench to come in and save your bacon?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I would like it's like a Game seven in the
World Series, all pitchers are available.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I would do whatever it took.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
If I was Jedfish, if that means going to Rogers,
I'd go to Rogers.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Absolutely, I do whatever whatever I can do to win
the game. And you know will Rodgers is a veteran,
and I would think that even if he's benched, Yeah,
he'd be ready to come in and that would be
a great story. Right, he comes in and does well
and leads them either to victory or a super close game.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, Why do you believe that? Why do you believe
that he would be of that mindset and not just
kind of checked out, pissed off, angry, salty about getting
replaced by an eighteen year old freshman.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean, he might be, but I just think a
lot of these kids are pretty mature, especially the ones
that have schools and dealt with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know. Just I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I'm just guessing that there's a chance he would react
like that. Now, Fish should have a pretty good idea
of what he's gonna get, and if he senses that
Rogers has checked out, then you don't go to him.
But if Williams is struggling and you think you can
get something out of Rogers, I wouldn't hesitate for a
second to do it.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Both these teams had an early season by and a
late season by.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Is that just kind of where we're moving in college
football now? With the extended seasons.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Well this year, so the NCAA sets the competition calendar, right,
and this.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Year there are two bye weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
It's a fourteen week regular season for twelve games.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So everybody had two buys. That's also the situation next year.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
So that gives the conferences some flexibility to you know,
give everybody a buye when they kind of need it,
you know, for middle third of the season, but also
to use that second by tactically before rivalry games. I mean,
it serves the Big ten's purpose for Washington and Oregon.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
To be at their best, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
For this game, and you don't want one team to
have the buye and the other not. That happened a
bunch of times in the Pac twelve because Paxill had
no idea how to schedule.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But I think it's great that they're doing this.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
They can't always do it if there's only one bye week,
but to me, it makes for the best product in
what is a big game for the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, John Wilners with us again. We'll get off the
Oregon U doub game a second, but I want to
just bring up something that I said on your podcast yesterday,
and I want to know if you agree that, I
think this would be a bigger loss than a bigger
win for Dan Lanning. He's supposed to win. He's a
twenty point favorite, for God's sakes. Even if they you know,
win the game, they still have bigger life your goals
(06:00):
this year.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
If they lose the game.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He's zero and four against Washington and they're staring two
consecutive losses right in the kisser with a higher state
up next in the Big Ten Championship. So would this
be a bigger loss or a bigger win for Dan Landing?
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Way? Bigger loss? Yeah, I think it would.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I mean, you know, it's not catastrophic for him, but
it would be a bad, bad loss. It would be worse, way,
worse than the previous three combined. Right it's in Eugene
and their favorite by twenty and everybody knows Washington is
recalibrating this year. Absolutely, I think even if it's a
(06:39):
if it is a one score game with five minutes
to go, that's it's it's a bad performance for Oregon.
And you know it's not gonna affect Oregon's postseason.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They're getting in the playoff no matter what.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But it will be something that will remain, you know,
in the Pacific Northwest, with those two schools, with recruiting,
with the fans. It'll hang over Landing's head. Absolutely, I
think it'll be a terrible loss for him.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Well, let's talk about how we get there to that
one score game with five minutes left. You're talking about
you you mentioned earlier, and I think accurately, so have
something cooked up that they haven't seen yet, and maybe
you can get a touchdown or two early and kind
of you know, shocking on in the first in the
first quarter. But then stylistically, is it just hey, let's
be really conservative, let's just move the chains and let's
(07:28):
limit the number of touches that Dylan Gabriel gets over
the course of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Absolutely, I think I think Washington has got to be
really good on special teams, very especially on their coverage units.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
The the other.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Thing is, and this would be my scheme of the
week for Husky fans, complimentary football.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
The defense has played very well, but it can't.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You can't just rely on the defense to hold up
drive after drive against the Oregon without the offense moving
the ball and scoring points.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Right, I see something This is if I'm a Husky fan.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
This is my concerns that it is twenty to ten
at halftime, seventeen ten at halftime, but Washington just cannot
move the ball. Then it becomes twenty four to ten
and twenty seven to ten, and then you get to
the midpoint of the fourth quarter and Udub's defense is gassed,
and Oregon scores a couple of late touchdowns and it
ends up looking like a blowout. But it's because Washington's
(08:31):
offense couldn't do enough to.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Support the defense.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I actually I looked up the Huskies and we know
that we've talked about it. Washington has not played well
on the road offensively, right.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I looked it up.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Away from home red zone touchdown percentage, Washington is one
hundred and twenty ninth in the country. Third down conversions
away from home, Washington is one hundred and twenty fourth
in the country. They've got to do those two things
at a reasonable level to give their defense a chance.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The red zone numbers, is that scoring or touchdowns? That's
touchdown touchdowns one hundred and twenty ninth on the road
on hundred and twenty fourth and third down percentage on offense. Yeah, well,
Neither one of those numbers are good, and that won't
work if they want to win this game and upset
the Ducks on Saturday. John Wilner is with us and John,
do you agree that the Heisman Trophy is down to
a three player race between Ashton Gent, Travis Hunter, and
(09:27):
Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And if you do, if you had to vote today,
who's your pick?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
My pick would be Hunter? Okay, who was doing stuff
we have not seen. He's kind of like the college
football version of o'tani. But I do think it's down
three and that's mostly because there isn't a standout SEC
quarterback right and that is typically you you know, you
almost always get one of those guys as a Heisman finalist.
(09:58):
And it's interesting that has happened because the SEC now
has Oklahoma and Texas and they still haven't produced a
quarterback playing at that level. Milroe just has had too much,
too many ups and downs. It hasn't been a good
year there, and so I do think it's those three guys,
and it's got not only a Western field, but you know,
(10:20):
Ann the winner is not going to be a quarterback,
which doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Well, you mentioned Milroe. I mean, it's been such a
crazy season for him.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
John.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
At the end of the Georgia game, he had ten touchdowns,
one interception, and he'd run for almost three hundred yards.
In four games since then, he's got five touchdowns and
eight picks. Why has it not worked? I thought Milroe
and Kaitlin de Bor would be a match made in heaven.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I don't know exactly what's going on there, But it's
not just Milrow, it's Alabama's entire team have been up
and down. They've looked really good sometimes and then they've
looked really bad.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Right, they go as mill Road goes, he goes as
they go. You know.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I was trying to think, how did Washington do under
debor after big wins?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right? Did they have the letdown situations? Right?
Speaker 5 (11:13):
The ASU game last year was that was a post
right after Oregon?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Right, that was a letdown game.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, but the thing with but John, the thing with
Kaylyn de Bor is he's had multiple over the two
years that he was with Washington. There was a lot
of games the ASU game in twenty twenty two, three
or four games last year Washington State Oregon State where
he just playing five hundred his teams and they just
are flat many times.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They just happened to win them all last year.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh but a lot of coaches do that on the
way to thirteen fourteen wins. I mean those I saw
you tweet that, Dick the other day. We should talk
about that later. But I think a lot of coaches.
Nobody goes out and wins every game by seventy points.
I mean, that's just not going to happen.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So I have very few teams like Washington have that
many just heart in your throat games and wins.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Oh no, we last year. Year was totally different. I mean,
we'll never see a year like that as long as
we live. But I'm just going back to last season.
The Arizona State game was after they beat Oregon the
first time and they won fifteen to seven. And then
what would be the other close game a year ago,
Tazoo Oregon State Utah Zoo was after the Beaver game,
(12:20):
and then Oregon State was after the Utah game. But
Oregon State and Utah were ranked. That was the eighteen
and number eleven ranked teams in the country when they
played him last year. So I got a problem with that.
But John, I guess The question with the boor is
how much trouble is he really in down there? I mean,
I'm getting a phone call from our buddy down there,
and he says, Man, if he loses the Iron Bowl,
there's going to be people talking about firing this guy.
(12:42):
Was seventy million dollars left in his contract? Is that
even remotely worth talking about if he loses this game
to Auburn?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
No, well, people will.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Talk about it.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I would be shocked if he got fired. That's absolutely shocked. Yeah,
what's happening to Alabama?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Both with the letdowns, who were just talking talking about
just everything, they all of a sudden have lost their immunity.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Right, Shaban was like a vaccine.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
They didn't have the same issues with nil, they didn't
have the same issues with the transfer portal, they didn't
have the same issues with the inconsistent play. Right even
there were times where they would struggle against five hundred teams,
but they'd always win. Right he was he prevented them
from having the same problems that every other program has.
(13:31):
And now it's like they have been cast down with
the masses, and all of a sudden, we're seeing Alabama
vulnerable to these dynamics that everybody else has been dealing
with for fifteen years and they never.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Had to deal with john Is Saban was so incredible.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Yeah, no question. What did you think of the Court
of public opinion whooping that coach sig and Indiana got
the last six days?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Uh, you know, he brought some bit on himself. I
kind of find his his brashness refreshing. But like the
whole thing about google it on the Ohio Stadium scoreboard,
I mean, he asked for a lot of this stuff
and he's probably fine with it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
They they played a bad schedule and they beat a
lot of mediocre teams soundly, and you give him credit
for that, but that was their one game that they got.
They had to show they belonged right, and they didn't
show it. And they're probably gonna get in the playoffs
right because of the collapse of the SEC, But I
don't think they deserve to be. And I think you
should have to beat a team with a winning record
(14:38):
to get in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
It should be like bare bones criteria.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And they're probably gonna finish the season without a single
win over a team that's got sept seven wins.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Or more what happened to Washington State.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
WHOA, the defense is terrible New Mexico. I mean, you
guys probably watched a little bit of Oregon State org.
Just it went weeks where they couldn't do anything on
offense and they moved the ball well. Between New Mexico
and the Beavers, that's like nine hundred yards of offense
against the Cougars. So their defense has just collapsed. I
think teams have adjusted a little bit to Matier, He's
(15:12):
still very good. But you know, they beat They got
the softer schedule in a lot of ways of who
they could have played in the Mountain West, and you know,
they did well, they played well early, but the defense
is just kind of given way, they're gonna end up
in a pretty good bowl game.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They should be Wyoming. They'll finish nine and three.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
You know, maybe they're gonna get to the Vegas Ball
for instance, but certainly given where they were, it's gonna
feel worse than it is for Cougar fans.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Well, on the topic of the PAC two in the
Mountain West, where do we stand on the court proceedings.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Well, the Mountain West just filed a motion to dismiss
the lawsuit. We're not gonna know for months. I think
the hearing on that is scheduled for March. We're not
gonna know for months. But you know, my sense is
that the PAC twelve has got a pretty good case.
And really what they're trying to do is dragging into
(16:09):
a negotiated settlement and hammer They owe fifty five million
to the Mountain West for for poaching those five schools,
and they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Try to drag it, drag it out and pound that
down to say, twenty twenty five million and be good
with that. So I think they got a pretty good
chance of making that happen.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
All right, Uh, you're in a little bit of a
role here. Well, you're actually not. I'm sorry you lost
last week?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Was you just kidding? John?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
My bad?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know what I was doing, Dick, I was looking
at New Heiseel's record, New Heiseel one with ASU over BYU.
But John lost with the Cougars, So you are now, man, that's.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
What you get for having faith in the coops.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
John, Well, I thought they'd too. I thought they'd win too.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It was more about not having any faith in the
of course air Force game.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, they're terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean Vegas had Wazoo was a thirteen point favor
for God's six. John, You've lost five of six overall
in the last month and a half.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So let's turn this bad boy around. Who do you
like this week?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
The Windelorean has fallen off the path, he's lost his way. Yeah,
they're going to get him back on the straight and arrow.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
What do you got?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, boy, I need to kind of get bull eligible here,
all right.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know I have.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Actually because I feel like I need to pick the
Oregon Washington game, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go with
the Ducks because I think I think it's gonna be
pretty close for three quarters, and I just I just
am not confident that Washington's offense is going to do enough, okay,
and the defense is just gonna kind of eventually give way.
(17:46):
And that is what happens if you don't play complimentary football.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
All right, Oregon's given nineteen and a half against the
Dogs on Saturday. All right, man, John, listen, have a
great Thanksgiving this week. Thankful for everything you do for
the radio show in station and talking a week man,
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, thanks guys, and thanks to simply Seattle for everything. Everybody,
have a great, happy, safe Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
No doubt you're the best. John Wilner with us, and again,
don't forget.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Simply Seattle has their Black Friday sale happening right now.
Thirty percent off everything on the website, plus five percent
on top of that, we'll go to charity. So you
got your eye on something for Christmas, Birthday coming up, whatever,
maybe doesn't jump on the website and knock out all
your holiday shopping now and get thirty percent off. My
wife went to the website and apparently bought something for me,
(18:31):
but did not use the.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Damn cage IR code, so she didn't save any money.
Don't make the same mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
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Speaker 3 (18:43):
We'll get a break.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
The CFP rankings are going to come out very soon
as soon as this basketball game on ESPN, by the
way from MAWI comes to an end. And then Brian Schmetzer,
who can he can smell it, He can smell the
MLS Cup ninety away from another their visit to the
MLS Championship. He'll join us at five point forty five
(19:04):
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