November 20, 2024 • 24 mins
Kevin Harlan of Westwood One, TNT and CBS joins Dave Softy Mahler to talk about the disaster of the Dallas Cowboys right now, what Brock Purdy will make on his next deal, the mess of the Jets, the dominance of the Lions, plus the Chiefs loss and Geno Smith.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Pierston is scard on a fumble recovery touchdown by Derek Barnett,
Tex ends up taking a fourth quarterweight twenty six to ten.
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Speaker 7 (01:27):
I like that.
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That's right, that's right, you.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Know, coming up with a new uh, a new responsibility
for you and a new label for you every single
week for like the last ten years. You have no
idea how difficult that is.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
I mean I have.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I have hit the thesaurus every single week before we
talk to you, and the.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Creative juice I can tell it sounded good. Start you smart,
you you are very smart and eloquence and uh, you know,
not like a lot of these other daft posts I've
got to deal with around the country. You're You're right
at the top.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Jeez, thanks for the compliment. I can I can tell
him dripping with sarcasm. But hey, you know, you know
what was terrible?
Speaker 7 (02:11):
You know serious?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know what what was terrible is that game you
called on Monday? Holy moly, Hey, how come how come
the Cowboys aren't playing Trey Lance?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
What the heck, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
You know, somebody asked Mike McCarthy that same question and
he didn't really give him a good answer. Say, you
know what, I probably should have put him in. They
spent a fourth round pick on him last year. And
if you go back to when he was drafted, the
draft capital that the Niners traded to move up in
the draft and get this kid, and it was a
complete wash. I mean they they didn't see it. They
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they sold him for a fourth round pick and he
was gone. And what they'll tell you, the Niners as well,
if you had have taken all that draft capital that
we traded to move up, we got our quarterback. At
the end of the day, we got our quarterbacks, whether
it was Lance or Rock Purty. We got the guy
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that has made us the kind of team and offense
we wanted to be. Now, whether they sign party to
the extension that is yet to be seen. There's a
little bit longer to go in that story. But they
got the quarterback. And sometimes it doesn't matter how you
get there, but you get there, and they did. But Lance,
I would assume Cooper Rush is a Central Michigan seven
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eight year quarterback in the league career backup comfortable in
that role. I don't know that he's got anything more
ahead of him. Lance is still young, and I think
people think that, you know, they need to take a
chance and to see what he can do.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Caless just pick it up with that Niner question.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
We've been debating here how far the Niners will go
to keep Rock party. A lot of people kicking around
the sixty million dollar thing. I'm not buying that at all.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
How about you.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I think San Francisco will only go so far. I mean,
they've got him a short team that is ready to pounce.
And now your defense was great on Sunday. That was huge,
and that was a terrific win for the Hawks. But
in terms of the forty nine ers, they like Purdy,
I don't think they put him in the category of
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some of these other quarterbacks you see, Like if this
is bo Nix and he was at the stage and
performing the way he is for Denver, you probably say
this kid has all the markings of a franchise quarterback.
And while they like Purdy, there are clearly some physical things.
That's the reason why he was the last guy drafted
that don't compute with the Drake Mays and the Jaden
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Daniels and the bon Nixes of the world and the
Michael Pennixes. So I think he knows what lane he's in,
and this is clearly being communicated. And he's not a
sixty million dollar He just isn't. And I don't think
he's going to get that in the open market. I
think he'll get a good deal. I think he'll get
twenty five million a year plus, but I don't think
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he's in sixty million a year plus. And I think
he knows it, and I think he also feels and
the Niners are seeing too the landscape of the league.
When you sink that kind of money in a quarterback,
it ties your hands on what you can do to
bolster that lineup around him, to make him you know,
what you think he can be or what he should be.
And without that money, Dallas is going to find that
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they're not going to be able to do much around
Prescott because he's commanding sixty million a year. Green Bay
was young enough that they had made a lot of
draft choices and they feel like now they can let
this roster mature the way it is. But I don't
think San Francisco's in that boat. And I don't think
they see this as a sixty million dollar guy, but
I think they could see him as a twenty five
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or thirty million dollar guy. And that's a competitive rate,
and that's the heck of a salary. Yep.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
So the Jets Kevin fired Joe Douglas yesterday, six weeks
after firing Robert Salad, So they'll need a new head
coach and a new GM.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Over the offseason, we were going over some of the mess.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, we were going over some of the names of
the quarterbacks that had under Joe Douglass. And I mean, look,
blame him. He's the GM, I guess for crying out loud.
But what does that mean for Aaron Rodgers? I mean,
if the GM and the head coach are gone, what
does that mean for Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Tuture in New York.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Well, clearly it is so up in the air, as
is virtually every corner of that locker room and that
front office. I mean, you fired your coach, you fired
your GM. Who's holding the rudder, like like, who's got
their hand on the steering wheel? And if it's Whatdy Johnson,
who may be accepting a political post and the Trump
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administration overseas where he once was. You know. Now then
that leads into his brother or a cousin or somebody
to run that organization. Those are just gigantic pieces to
fill your general manager and your head coach. I mean,
your organization begins right there. So you're beginning basically with
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the total house cleaning, and I don't know where Rogers
with that salary would fit. He has not looked good.
I don't know what's you know, if you calculate his
performance by what he's working with, it is always you know,
many things that that affect the quarterbacks play. That line
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is not very good. Rogers has not been very good.
They brought in players, they got him DeVante Adams. Every
move they've made is failed. It's just it's just it's
it's a tire it's a tire fire. It's just horrible,
and there's no end in sight. And this will not
be a one or two year reclamation. This is going
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to take some time. Even the best players on that team,
Quinn Williams on their defensive line, I mean, I mean
some of the kids that they had high hopes on,
you know, the Wilson, the receiver. They've got very few
caliber players like that, and and and and quarterback probably
is the number one question after head coach and GM
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what are you going to do? Those are tough three
things to fill in their all basically vacant right now.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You did the Lions Jaguars game. Holy cow, were you
guys like, uh, you know, I don't know, telling jokes
in the fourth quarter or like yeah you no.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no no no. First of all, you know, I
think you can tell by the show. I'm a professional,
So I begin with that when I wake up every morning,
I'm gonna do my bat. I'm going to be a professional.
I'm not gonna screw around. It was Dave, I know,
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I know, I know, but it was so compelling to
watch them run their total offense. They ran uh outdoor, outside, place,
inside place, quick, bubble screens, they ran long pass place,
they like did every They touched every page of their
playbook and met with success. And to see a team
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you know, you don't see that often in the NFL,
where every possession results in a score, and in their case,
every possession the first seven times they had it was
a touchdown. And they did it through the air. They
did it a long catch and runs. They did it
on just pounding the ball. They controlled the clock, they
had long drives. No, it was if you love football,
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you could not hide your admiration for just against you know, listen,
all these teams are good. That's an NFL defense they
were going against, not very good, but it was an
NFL defense. And yet and yet they basically ran. It
was like they were playing seven on seven. It was
as if, you know, the tackling wasn't allowed and they
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were allowed to do all these wonderful things. At their offense,
the quarterback had a perfect rating that they had two
one hundred yard receiving wideouts. They had two running backs
that are just that's the best handamen pro football on
one team, and not just for this year. Historically, that
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twosome of Montgomery and Jamiir Gibbs is good going back.
I mean, you can get their numbers are comparable to
any tandem on any offense that you've seen in any
decade over the last thirty forty years. We had one
statistic where their scrimmage yards through ten games of this
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season were only second to Bobby Mitchell and Jim Brown
on the nineteen fifty nine Cleveland Browns. That's how good
they are. Wow, the touchdowns they scored our second only
through these games. Play already to Paul Horning and Jim
Taylor with the Green Bay Packers under Vincelanbardi. That's how
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good that tandem is. That's how great that offense is
to watch. And when you see something like that, it's ard.
I mean, you watched that offense that they were spotless,
and there was no time to joke because every time
they had it, they did something else that really was
something to talk about. So we enjoyed. I enjoyed the game.
I enjoyed watching them. They're a terrific offense.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, well they are terrific.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know who else is normally terrific, But did not
look good against Buffalo as Kansas City the winning streak
comes to an end.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I mean, I guess on one hand, you could say, hey,
maybe it's the best thing for them to just drop
one and not worry about all this seventeen and oh talk.
But then the other hand says, I don't know, they've
kind of had maybe.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Some warts and been just barely getting by.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
So what do you make of Kansas City's wedding Street
coming to an end on Sunday?
Speaker 7 (11:37):
You're right on both accounts. The two things you said
are both true. I think the added pressure of defending
a Super Bowl title two in a row, with the
added weight of trying to go unbeaten.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
That that.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Just wasn't going to be in the cards. The team
is not that good. They're good, they're not that deep,
and they're not playing that well, and to carry that
extra burden would have been burden sub So, you know,
from Afar, I think it's good that that now is
off the shelf. They can kind of put that to
the side. That talk will die and now they can
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you know, keep get the task at hand right in
front of them, and that is getting back to the
Super Bowl. Listen, their division is going to be tough now,
all of a sudden, seven and three LA Chargers, six
and five, Denver Broncos, and the Broncos are playing great football.
And Denver's got a two and eight Las Vegas team
to play this weekend, they got a two and eight
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team to play next weekend, and they're going to quickly
go to like like eight and five and be right there,
and they barely lost to the Chiefs, and they've got
the Chiefs coming out to Denver to play. With one
more meeting on the schedule this year, the Chargers are
going to be formidable. So the Chiefs, now with this loss,
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probably said, all right, let's let's let's reboot here a
little bit. Let's look at our division. Our division has
never been stronger during this run by Mahomes. Denver's never
been a team to push him. Raiders really haven't been
a team to push him, and the Chargers always had
that chance, but they never really pushed them. This year,
they're going to get pushed. So now they just got
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to worry about their division, let alone the rest of
the AFC.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Kevin, you're the man, great stuff. I'm not even gonna
ask it. Where you'll be for TV on Sunday? Just
tell me? Where will you be for TV on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Las Vegas, Baby?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
And then and then.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
The Hardball Bowl in La on Sunday, I'm sorry, on Monday,
Chargers Ravens. That'll be a great game, and then Lakers
Suns on Tuesday for TNT.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Love it all right, You're the man, great stuff. Enjoy
we're talking a week. I'll see it by Dave.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
You got it, man.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Kevin Harlan with us on the radio show. Always great
to have him join us on the air. A little
bit of a weird different time today, but hey, you
know what, we're professions.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
We can handle it here on the air.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The question about brock Purty Dick, you and I have
been talking back and forth about how much is he
gonna get blah blah blah, And I think Kevin's right.
I just don't think he's gonna get that kind of
big fifty five sixty million dollar contract just because he's
the next guy. I think is a real unique case,
and I think he knows it, to be totally honest
with you.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Well, if he knows it and he's satisfied with forty,
then I think you can. I think you can probably
you can definitely argue that if you're if you're the
San Francisco forty nine ers, I mean, I'm sure that's
about the right number. And you know, and I wouldn't
be nearly as as happy as a Seahawks fan if
they gave him a five year, two hundred million dollar
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contract at forty million dollar year because he's he's he's
worth that. Yeah, he's just not He's just not worth
what they're paying the Dak Prescotts of the world. Nor
is Dak Prescott as we've if we've seen time and
time again.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
No, I mean, he might even actually make more money
if he gets franchised. To be totally honest with yeah,
he'll make more money over those couple of two year
periods there and then the third year obviously is crazy
and nobody gets to that point. But you know what, man, look,
I mean, I think in the end, the question about
Geno is this, If they got rid of Gino, let's
just say that they decide to let his contract lapse,
and they and they draft the quarterback. Maybe it's a
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guy they draft from the second round, maybe it's the
third round. Maybe they get a guy late in the
first round. What are the odds of them finding somebody
in what is this twenty four let's say the twenty
twenty sixth season, what are the odds of them finding
somebody that's better than Gino Smith for the twenty twenty
sixth season.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
If they draft him coming up this April, you're saying,
and he gets to sever a year behind Geno Smith
in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
I think it's reasonable.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It's reasonable because all I've heard from people is how
these quarterbacks that go in the first round, the hit
rate is pretty low.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
It is a lot of these days they go to
the turns, right.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
I think a lot of I think the one of
the main reasons that happens there is twofold one. It's
a terrible situation Carolina Panthers, New York Jets. It's just
a disaster of a franchise. And and secondly, they throw
them in there to the Wolves right off the bat
when they're not even close to ready, and and so
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that they're they're just they're beaten down before they even
have a chance to succeed. And I think that's the
I mean, you look at this year is a little
bit different, right. You've got You've got Jaden Daniels, who
has had Cliff Kingsbury and obviously he feels really comfortable
with him. You've got BONICKX, who's got Sean Payton. I mean,
you want a guy, a young guy to land with
a dude, it's gonna be a guy like Sean Payton, right,
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not a defensive first coach and bon Nix has blown
me away. He's been way better than I thought he
would be the in the first but then you got
Caleb Williams and the Bears, you throw it with Shane
walder In and Matt Heb Flews. Do we really believe
that Bonnicks right now is a much better quarterback than
Caleb Williams is. No, It's the situation. If Caleb Williams
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was with Sean Payton and bon NICKX was with Shane Aldron,
Bonis would look worse than Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams
that look like boney.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I still think, and I agree with that, that the
environment that a guy ends up in is hugely important,
no question. I think it's a big reason why Russell
Wilson turned into Russell Wilson, because he showed up and
he was the last piece of the pie, not the
first piece of the pie. But I also believe that
the hit rate on these guys is really, really low.
So when you say reasonable, and maybe I'm reading you wrong,
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but when you say reasonable, I'm here in like a
fifty to fifty almost proposition that you'll find a guy
better than Gina, Because here's the here are the nine
quarterbacks that were drafted in the twenty twenty two drafts.
So we'll go two years ago there in year three
right now, Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett, Sam hal Desmond Ritter,
Matt Carrall, Chris Oladokin, who went to South Dakota State
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was a seventh thron draft pick, Bigley Zappi, Brock perty In,
Skyl Thompson.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Who's to say we have to draft one that late.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
I don't trade its, say we don't trade up and
get a guy in the top ten.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Totally, dick. I'm just saying, those are the guys.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Those are the nine guys that were drafted the twenty
twenty two draft, and with the exception of Brock Purdy,
they'll stink, all of them.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I mean, three years later, none of them have done anything.
Speaker 9 (18:09):
Here are taught. Sam Darnold stunk until he got into
the right spot.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Okay, but again, Sam Darnold took you know, four years,
five years to find that. Here's the guys that were
taken in the twenty twenty one draft. Trevor Wilson or
excuse me, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields,
Mac Jones, Kyle Trash, Kellen Mond, and Davis Mills. Those
are the guys that were taken in the just first
three rounds of that draft.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
So for the most part.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Eight of ten of these guys are nine or ten
of them are not going to be any good. And
you've got a guy in Gino who's not elite by
any stretch of the imagination. You and I are totally
unlockstep in that. But he's okay, And I just wonder
if it's time to just settle for okay and build
the rest of this football team around him. Get an
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elite running game, get an elite defense, get an elite secondary,
find an elite pass rush, and then be okay, okay,
because dude, Dick again, I don't know what algorithm is
out there. Maybe Humullin's got something on his nerd machine
at home we can talk about on Friday. But whatever, Gina, like,
if we were to attach a number value to the
way Gino's playing right now, right, I mean, you know,
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whatever that number is. Let's say it's a six out
of ten or a five and a half. What are
the odds in the NFL draft of finding somebody in
three years better than that.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Well, do you trust Ryan Grubb? Because if you trust
Ryan Grub and Ryan Grubb would have a full year
and a half to groom that guy and make him
exactly the type of quarterback he wants to be. Ever
throws him out there in a game.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Well, I think again, a lot of it's out of
the coordinator's hands, right, I mean, these coordinators aren't magicians, right,
they don't. They don't tap a hat and a rabbit
pops out of it. I mean a lot of this
is on the player. You know, does the guy have
the skill, does they have the talent? Can he can
he survive in the NFL? I mean, you know, Doug
Peterson coaching Trevor Lawrence I thought was going to be
a match made in heaven, and that's turned into a
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disaster in Jacksonville, right, I mean, I'm sure there's a
lot of these guys. Trey Lance in San Francisco with
Kyle Shanahan as Turtle Lawrence is turned.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Into a disaster.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
That's the That's the one. And but who knows, maybe
is it the is it the environment in Jacksonville? We know,
I mean, name name one of the worst three organizations
in the NFL. And everybody says Jackson not for sure.
I mean, maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Well, for that particular case, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
But I also think that again, some of these guys
like Andy Reid, for example, there's a great play caller,
he's an incredible offensive mind. But don't we think that
Mahomes would have had success anywhere right playing for who?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Yes, but I don't think he'd have that type.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Sure, because he's got a great team around him, but
he would have been an elite player no matter what.
He may not be Patrick Mahomes winning all these championships,
But I just think that go back and look at
the quarterbacks taken in like the last five years, and
you tell me how many of them hit out of
you know what, would it be fifty quarterbacks? But I
don't know what the number is, but let's just say
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it's fifty quarterbacks. How many of them have panned out?
How many of turned into stars? And how many how
many of the guys taken the last fifty years would
be better than what Gino is now. And if the
number is five out of fifty or ten out of fifty,
are you willing to take that twenty percent or ten percent?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Chance to get rid of a guy like Gino Smith.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Well, I think you also have to factor in the
forty million a year you wouldn't be paying your quarterback,
and how many great pieces you could put around that rookie.
You'd put four ten million dollars a year guys around
that quarterback that you don't have to pay Gino Smith,
And that's part of making the team better.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Listen, all of us, I think can agree that either way,
it's a risk. Nothing is guaranteed. There's gonna be some chance,
some risk that you'll take when you do whatever you're
gonna do with Gino. But you know, just hearing Kevin
talk about this and hearing other people talk about it,
I really wonder. I'm starting to wonder if they're actually
going to give him a deal over the offseason or
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just going to next year and just take their chances
in twenty twenty five. You know, I don't know if
Geno's the kind of guy that would hold out. Honestly,
I have no idea. I don't think he is, you know,
I mean, he seems to be kind of a different cat,
but then again, all of them end up kind of
being the same kind of cat. You know, they just
want the bag and they want whatever money they're looking for.
And Geno's already going on Richard Sherman's podcast talking about
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his numbers and how he deserves this and deserves that.
So I don't have any idea, we Dick, we do
know this that Geno Smith, and he confirmed it right.
Geno Smith's camp went to John Schneider over this last
offseason and wanted an extension. So if he wanted the
extension three months ago, are we gonna do it? Are
we gonna look ahead the next five months and think
he's gonna not want an extension when he wanted won
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this summers?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
And I just think if if we could take the
oh my god throws out of Geno Smith?
Speaker 9 (22:48):
Now, is there a way?
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Is can can we have a surgery on Geno Smith
where we take out those two throws a game where
you're just like, those are game costing turnovers right that
he makes and almost on a regular base.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
I mean, he has as many interceptions as touchdowns this year.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Oh yeah, that you never won an one to one
interception touchdown ratio so and and those and those plays
that he makes. He made another one last week against
San Francisco almost cost them the game, totally cost them
the game against the Rams.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
There's a question about that at all.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
So can can we give a Geno some sort of
lobotomy that takes that part of his brain out of
him where he doesn't have the kill you plays on
like an every other week basis.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean he's thirty two years old. He might
be what he is at this point.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I also think more time with this coordinator and more
time with the system is going to do him some
good hopefully. I mean, obviously it may not matter when
it's all said and done, but guys, I just again,
I don't know if just getting rid of him and
moving on is the right call.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I think it's a plan.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, as as Kevin has said earlier, how many teams
in the NFL right now would love to have Gino
Smith playing quarterback for them? I think there's a lot,
right that's sixteen teams that would love to have Geno
Smith playing quarterback for him. So let's get this offensive
line built, let's get this defense built, right, let's get
him coached up in this system. And I think waiting
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to sign him until next year's over. I mean, again,
my only question is does the guy hold on and
if he does hold out, how long does he hold
out for? Because most guys that hold out eventually come back, right,
they'll come back after a game or two when they
start getting duck game checks. But this is going to
be one of the most massively intriguing stories of the offseason,
at least here in Seattle. I'm not sure if the
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Gino Smith and how committed they are to him financially
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Jeez, thanks for the compliment. I can I can tell
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Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know what what was terrible is that game you
called on Monday? Holy moly, Hey, how come how come
the Cowboys aren't playing Trey Lance?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
What the heck, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
You know, somebody asked Mike McCarthy that same question and
he didn't really give him a good answer. Say, you
know what, I probably should have put him in. They
spent a fourth round pick on him last year. And
if you go back to when he was drafted, the
draft capital that the Niners traded to move up in
the draft and get this kid, and it was a
complete wash. I mean they they didn't see it. They
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they sold him for a fourth round pick and he
was gone. And what they'll tell you, the Niners as well,
if you had have taken all that draft capital that
we traded to move up, we got our quarterback. At
the end of the day, we got our quarterbacks, whether
it was Lance or Rock Purty. We got the guy
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that has made us the kind of team and offense
we wanted to be. Now, whether they sign party to
the extension that is yet to be seen. There's a
little bit longer to go in that story. But they
got the quarterback. And sometimes it doesn't matter how you
get there, but you get there, and they did. But Lance,
I would assume Cooper Rush is a Central Michigan seven
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eight year quarterback in the league career backup comfortable in
that role. I don't know that he's got anything more
ahead of him. Lance is still young, and I think
people think that, you know, they need to take a
chance and to see what he can do.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Caless just pick it up with that Niner question.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
We've been debating here how far the Niners will go
to keep Rock party. A lot of people kicking around
the sixty million dollar thing. I'm not buying that at all.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
How about you.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I think San Francisco will only go so far. I mean,
they've got him a short team that is ready to pounce.
And now your defense was great on Sunday. That was huge,
and that was a terrific win for the Hawks. But
in terms of the forty nine ers, they like Purdy,
I don't think they put him in the category of
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some of these other quarterbacks you see, Like if this
is bo Nix and he was at the stage and
performing the way he is for Denver, you probably say
this kid has all the markings of a franchise quarterback.
And while they like Purdy, there are clearly some physical things.
That's the reason why he was the last guy drafted
that don't compute with the Drake Mays and the Jaden
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Daniels and the bon Nixes of the world and the
Michael Pennixes. So I think he knows what lane he's in,
and this is clearly being communicated. And he's not a
sixty million dollar He just isn't. And I don't think
he's going to get that in the open market. I
think he'll get a good deal. I think he'll get
twenty five million a year plus, but I don't think
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he's in sixty million a year plus. And I think
he knows it, and I think he also feels and
the Niners are seeing too the landscape of the league.
When you sink that kind of money in a quarterback,
it ties your hands on what you can do to
bolster that lineup around him, to make him you know,
what you think he can be or what he should be.
And without that money, Dallas is going to find that
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they're not going to be able to do much around
Prescott because he's commanding sixty million a year. Green Bay
was young enough that they had made a lot of
draft choices and they feel like now they can let
this roster mature the way it is. But I don't
think San Francisco's in that boat. And I don't think
they see this as a sixty million dollar guy, but
I think they could see him as a twenty five
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or thirty million dollar guy. And that's a competitive rate,
and that's the heck of a salary. Yep.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
So the Jets Kevin fired Joe Douglas yesterday, six weeks
after firing Robert Salad, So they'll need a new head
coach and a new GM.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Over the offseason, we were going over some of the mess.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, we were going over some of the names of
the quarterbacks that had under Joe Douglass. And I mean, look,
blame him. He's the GM, I guess for crying out loud.
But what does that mean for Aaron Rodgers? I mean,
if the GM and the head coach are gone, what
does that mean for Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Tuture in New York.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Well, clearly it is so up in the air, as
is virtually every corner of that locker room and that
front office. I mean, you fired your coach, you fired
your GM. Who's holding the rudder, like like, who's got
their hand on the steering wheel? And if it's Whatdy Johnson,
who may be accepting a political post and the Trump
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administration overseas where he once was. You know. Now then
that leads into his brother or a cousin or somebody
to run that organization. Those are just gigantic pieces to
fill your general manager and your head coach. I mean,
your organization begins right there. So you're beginning basically with
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the total house cleaning, and I don't know where Rogers
with that salary would fit. He has not looked good.
I don't know what's you know, if you calculate his
performance by what he's working with, it is always you know,
many things that that affect the quarterbacks play. That line
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is not very good. Rogers has not been very good.
They brought in players, they got him DeVante Adams. Every
move they've made is failed. It's just it's just it's
it's a tire it's a tire fire. It's just horrible,
and there's no end in sight. And this will not
be a one or two year reclamation. This is going
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to take some time. Even the best players on that team,
Quinn Williams on their defensive line, I mean, I mean
some of the kids that they had high hopes on,
you know, the Wilson, the receiver. They've got very few
caliber players like that, and and and and quarterback probably
is the number one question after head coach and GM
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what are you going to do? Those are tough three
things to fill in their all basically vacant right now.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You did the Lions Jaguars game. Holy cow, were you
guys like, uh, you know, I don't know, telling jokes
in the fourth quarter or like yeah you no.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no no no. First of all, you know, I
think you can tell by the show. I'm a professional,
So I begin with that when I wake up every morning,
I'm gonna do my bat. I'm going to be a professional.
I'm not gonna screw around. It was Dave, I know,
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I know, I know, but it was so compelling to
watch them run their total offense. They ran uh outdoor, outside, place,
inside place, quick, bubble screens, they ran long pass place,
they like did every They touched every page of their
playbook and met with success. And to see a team
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you know, you don't see that often in the NFL,
where every possession results in a score, and in their case,
every possession the first seven times they had it was
a touchdown. And they did it through the air. They
did it a long catch and runs. They did it
on just pounding the ball. They controlled the clock, they
had long drives. No, it was if you love football,
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you could not hide your admiration for just against you know, listen,
all these teams are good. That's an NFL defense they
were going against, not very good, but it was an
NFL defense. And yet and yet they basically ran. It
was like they were playing seven on seven. It was
as if, you know, the tackling wasn't allowed and they
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were allowed to do all these wonderful things. At their offense,
the quarterback had a perfect rating that they had two
one hundred yard receiving wideouts. They had two running backs
that are just that's the best handamen pro football on
one team, and not just for this year. Historically, that
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twosome of Montgomery and Jamiir Gibbs is good going back.
I mean, you can get their numbers are comparable to
any tandem on any offense that you've seen in any
decade over the last thirty forty years. We had one
statistic where their scrimmage yards through ten games of this
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season were only second to Bobby Mitchell and Jim Brown
on the nineteen fifty nine Cleveland Browns. That's how good
they are. Wow, the touchdowns they scored our second only
through these games. Play already to Paul Horning and Jim
Taylor with the Green Bay Packers under Vincelanbardi. That's how
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good that tandem is. That's how great that offense is
to watch. And when you see something like that, it's ard.
I mean, you watched that offense that they were spotless,
and there was no time to joke because every time
they had it, they did something else that really was
something to talk about. So we enjoyed. I enjoyed the game.
I enjoyed watching them. They're a terrific offense.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, well they are terrific.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know who else is normally terrific, But did not
look good against Buffalo as Kansas City the winning streak
comes to an end.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I mean, I guess on one hand, you could say, hey,
maybe it's the best thing for them to just drop
one and not worry about all this seventeen and oh talk.
But then the other hand says, I don't know, they've
kind of had maybe.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Some warts and been just barely getting by.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
So what do you make of Kansas City's wedding Street
coming to an end on Sunday?
Speaker 7 (11:37):
You're right on both accounts. The two things you said
are both true. I think the added pressure of defending
a Super Bowl title two in a row, with the
added weight of trying to go unbeaten.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
That that.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Just wasn't going to be in the cards. The team
is not that good. They're good, they're not that deep,
and they're not playing that well, and to carry that
extra burden would have been burden sub So, you know,
from Afar, I think it's good that that now is
off the shelf. They can kind of put that to
the side. That talk will die and now they can
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you know, keep get the task at hand right in
front of them, and that is getting back to the
Super Bowl. Listen, their division is going to be tough now,
all of a sudden, seven and three LA Chargers, six
and five, Denver Broncos, and the Broncos are playing great football.
And Denver's got a two and eight Las Vegas team
to play this weekend, they got a two and eight
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team to play next weekend, and they're going to quickly
go to like like eight and five and be right there,
and they barely lost to the Chiefs, and they've got
the Chiefs coming out to Denver to play. With one
more meeting on the schedule this year, the Chargers are
going to be formidable. So the Chiefs, now with this loss,
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probably said, all right, let's let's let's reboot here a
little bit. Let's look at our division. Our division has
never been stronger during this run by Mahomes. Denver's never
been a team to push him. Raiders really haven't been
a team to push him, and the Chargers always had
that chance, but they never really pushed them. This year,
they're going to get pushed. So now they just got
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to worry about their division, let alone the rest of
the AFC.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Kevin, you're the man, great stuff. I'm not even gonna
ask it. Where you'll be for TV on Sunday? Just
tell me? Where will you be for TV on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Las Vegas, Baby?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
And then and then.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
The Hardball Bowl in La on Sunday, I'm sorry, on Monday,
Chargers Ravens. That'll be a great game, and then Lakers
Suns on Tuesday for TNT.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Love it all right, You're the man, great stuff. Enjoy
we're talking a week. I'll see it by Dave.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
You got it, man.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Kevin Harlan with us on the radio show. Always great
to have him join us on the air. A little
bit of a weird different time today, but hey, you
know what, we're professions.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
We can handle it here on the air.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The question about brock Purty Dick, you and I have
been talking back and forth about how much is he
gonna get blah blah blah, And I think Kevin's right.
I just don't think he's gonna get that kind of
big fifty five sixty million dollar contract just because he's
the next guy. I think is a real unique case,
and I think he knows it, to be totally honest
with you.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Well, if he knows it and he's satisfied with forty,
then I think you can. I think you can probably
you can definitely argue that if you're if you're the
San Francisco forty nine ers, I mean, I'm sure that's
about the right number. And you know, and I wouldn't
be nearly as as happy as a Seahawks fan if
they gave him a five year, two hundred million dollar
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contract at forty million dollar year because he's he's he's
worth that. Yeah, he's just not He's just not worth
what they're paying the Dak Prescotts of the world. Nor
is Dak Prescott as we've if we've seen time and
time again.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
No, I mean, he might even actually make more money
if he gets franchised. To be totally honest with yeah,
he'll make more money over those couple of two year
periods there and then the third year obviously is crazy
and nobody gets to that point. But you know what, man, look,
I mean, I think in the end, the question about
Geno is this, If they got rid of Gino, let's
just say that they decide to let his contract lapse,
and they and they draft the quarterback. Maybe it's a
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guy they draft from the second round, maybe it's the
third round. Maybe they get a guy late in the
first round. What are the odds of them finding somebody
in what is this twenty four let's say the twenty
twenty sixth season, what are the odds of them finding
somebody that's better than Gino Smith for the twenty twenty
sixth season.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
If they draft him coming up this April, you're saying,
and he gets to sever a year behind Geno Smith
in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
I think it's reasonable.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It's reasonable because all I've heard from people is how
these quarterbacks that go in the first round, the hit
rate is pretty low.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
It is a lot of these days they go to
the turns, right.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
I think a lot of I think the one of
the main reasons that happens there is twofold one. It's
a terrible situation Carolina Panthers, New York Jets. It's just
a disaster of a franchise. And and secondly, they throw
them in there to the Wolves right off the bat
when they're not even close to ready, and and so
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that they're they're just they're beaten down before they even
have a chance to succeed. And I think that's the
I mean, you look at this year is a little
bit different, right. You've got You've got Jaden Daniels, who
has had Cliff Kingsbury and obviously he feels really comfortable
with him. You've got BONICKX, who's got Sean Payton. I mean,
you want a guy, a young guy to land with
a dude, it's gonna be a guy like Sean Payton, right,
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not a defensive first coach and bon Nix has blown
me away. He's been way better than I thought he
would be the in the first but then you got
Caleb Williams and the Bears, you throw it with Shane
walder In and Matt Heb Flews. Do we really believe
that Bonnicks right now is a much better quarterback than
Caleb Williams is. No, It's the situation. If Caleb Williams
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was with Sean Payton and bon NICKX was with Shane Aldron,
Bonis would look worse than Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams
that look like boney.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I still think, and I agree with that, that the
environment that a guy ends up in is hugely important,
no question. I think it's a big reason why Russell
Wilson turned into Russell Wilson, because he showed up and
he was the last piece of the pie, not the
first piece of the pie. But I also believe that
the hit rate on these guys is really, really low.
So when you say reasonable, and maybe I'm reading you wrong,
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but when you say reasonable, I'm here in like a
fifty to fifty almost proposition that you'll find a guy
better than Gina, Because here's the here are the nine
quarterbacks that were drafted in the twenty twenty two drafts.
So we'll go two years ago there in year three
right now, Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett, Sam hal Desmond Ritter,
Matt Carrall, Chris Oladokin, who went to South Dakota State
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was a seventh thron draft pick, Bigley Zappi, Brock perty In,
Skyl Thompson.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Who's to say we have to draft one that late.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
I don't trade its, say we don't trade up and
get a guy in the top ten.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Totally, dick. I'm just saying, those are the guys.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Those are the nine guys that were drafted the twenty
twenty two draft, and with the exception of Brock Purdy,
they'll stink, all of them.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I mean, three years later, none of them have done anything.
Speaker 9 (18:09):
Here are taught. Sam Darnold stunk until he got into
the right spot.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Okay, but again, Sam Darnold took you know, four years,
five years to find that. Here's the guys that were
taken in the twenty twenty one draft. Trevor Wilson or
excuse me, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields,
Mac Jones, Kyle Trash, Kellen Mond, and Davis Mills. Those
are the guys that were taken in the just first
three rounds of that draft.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
So for the most part.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Eight of ten of these guys are nine or ten
of them are not going to be any good. And
you've got a guy in Gino who's not elite by
any stretch of the imagination. You and I are totally
unlockstep in that. But he's okay, And I just wonder
if it's time to just settle for okay and build
the rest of this football team around him. Get an
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elite running game, get an elite defense, get an elite secondary,
find an elite pass rush, and then be okay, okay,
because dude, Dick again, I don't know what algorithm is
out there. Maybe Humullin's got something on his nerd machine
at home we can talk about on Friday. But whatever, Gina, like,
if we were to attach a number value to the
way Gino's playing right now, right, I mean, you know,
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whatever that number is. Let's say it's a six out
of ten or a five and a half. What are
the odds in the NFL draft of finding somebody in
three years better than that.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Well, do you trust Ryan Grubb? Because if you trust
Ryan Grub and Ryan Grubb would have a full year
and a half to groom that guy and make him
exactly the type of quarterback he wants to be. Ever
throws him out there in a game.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Well, I think again, a lot of it's out of
the coordinator's hands, right, I mean, these coordinators aren't magicians, right,
they don't. They don't tap a hat and a rabbit
pops out of it. I mean a lot of this
is on the player. You know, does the guy have
the skill, does they have the talent? Can he can
he survive in the NFL? I mean, you know, Doug
Peterson coaching Trevor Lawrence I thought was going to be
a match made in heaven, and that's turned into a
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disaster in Jacksonville, right, I mean, I'm sure there's a
lot of these guys. Trey Lance in San Francisco with
Kyle Shanahan as Turtle Lawrence is turned.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Into a disaster.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
That's the That's the one. And but who knows, maybe
is it the is it the environment in Jacksonville? We know,
I mean, name name one of the worst three organizations
in the NFL. And everybody says Jackson not for sure.
I mean, maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Well, for that particular case, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
But I also think that again, some of these guys
like Andy Reid, for example, there's a great play caller,
he's an incredible offensive mind. But don't we think that
Mahomes would have had success anywhere right playing for who?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Yes, but I don't think he'd have that type.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Sure, because he's got a great team around him, but
he would have been an elite player no matter what.
He may not be Patrick Mahomes winning all these championships,
But I just think that go back and look at
the quarterbacks taken in like the last five years, and
you tell me how many of them hit out of
you know what, would it be fifty quarterbacks? But I
don't know what the number is, but let's just say
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it's fifty quarterbacks. How many of them have panned out?
How many of turned into stars? And how many how
many of the guys taken the last fifty years would
be better than what Gino is now. And if the
number is five out of fifty or ten out of fifty,
are you willing to take that twenty percent or ten percent?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Chance to get rid of a guy like Gino Smith.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Well, I think you also have to factor in the
forty million a year you wouldn't be paying your quarterback,
and how many great pieces you could put around that rookie.
You'd put four ten million dollars a year guys around
that quarterback that you don't have to pay Gino Smith,
And that's part of making the team better.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Listen, all of us, I think can agree that either way,
it's a risk. Nothing is guaranteed. There's gonna be some chance,
some risk that you'll take when you do whatever you're
gonna do with Gino. But you know, just hearing Kevin
talk about this and hearing other people talk about it,
I really wonder. I'm starting to wonder if they're actually
going to give him a deal over the offseason or
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just going to next year and just take their chances
in twenty twenty five. You know, I don't know if
Geno's the kind of guy that would hold out. Honestly,
I have no idea. I don't think he is, you know,
I mean, he seems to be kind of a different cat,
but then again, all of them end up kind of
being the same kind of cat. You know, they just
want the bag and they want whatever money they're looking for.
And Geno's already going on Richard Sherman's podcast talking about
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his numbers and how he deserves this and deserves that.
So I don't have any idea, we Dick, we do
know this that Geno Smith, and he confirmed it right.
Geno Smith's camp went to John Schneider over this last
offseason and wanted an extension. So if he wanted the
extension three months ago, are we gonna do it? Are
we gonna look ahead the next five months and think
he's gonna not want an extension when he wanted won
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this summers?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
And I just think if if we could take the
oh my god throws out of Geno Smith?
Speaker 9 (22:48):
Now, is there a way?
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Is can can we have a surgery on Geno Smith
where we take out those two throws a game where
you're just like, those are game costing turnovers right that
he makes and almost on a regular base.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
I mean, he has as many interceptions as touchdowns this year.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Oh yeah, that you never won an one to one
interception touchdown ratio so and and those and those plays
that he makes. He made another one last week against
San Francisco almost cost them the game, totally cost them
the game against the Rams.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
There's a question about that at all.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
So can can we give a Geno some sort of
lobotomy that takes that part of his brain out of
him where he doesn't have the kill you plays on
like an every other week basis.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean he's thirty two years old. He might
be what he is at this point.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I also think more time with this coordinator and more
time with the system is going to do him some
good hopefully. I mean, obviously it may not matter when
it's all said and done, but guys, I just again,
I don't know if just getting rid of him and
moving on is the right call.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I think it's a plan.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, as as Kevin has said earlier, how many teams
in the NFL right now would love to have Gino
Smith playing quarterback for them? I think there's a lot,
right that's sixteen teams that would love to have Geno
Smith playing quarterback for him. So let's get this offensive
line built, let's get this defense built, right, let's get
him coached up in this system. And I think waiting
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to sign him until next year's over. I mean, again,
my only question is does the guy hold on and
if he does hold out, how long does he hold
out for? Because most guys that hold out eventually come back, right,
they'll come back after a game or two when they
start getting duck game checks. But this is going to
be one of the most massively intriguing stories of the offseason,
at least here in Seattle. I'm not sure if the
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nation already cares about it, but what they do with
Gino Smith and how committed they are to him financially
going to be giggantic. A right, We're going to break
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