November 19, 2025 • 21 mins
Kevin Harlan of Westwood One and CBS joins Dave Softy Mahler to talk about the Las Vegas loss on Monday and Pete Carroll’s future with the Raiders, the Seahawks loss to the Rams and their ranking, plus the Chiefs, Ravens, and Shedeur Sanders’ situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They are NFL champions.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Seattlesyhawks have one Super Bowl forty eight.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
He's a pulldozer.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
He's a beat brought to you by Twin Peaks in
Tuckwilla open every Sunday morning just in time for kickoff.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
He was like a pin ball hanging off buddy.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
He's a twenty three.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yard catch it run catch every game, every bite and
every sip only at Twin Peaks Tuck Willa.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hit the touchdown, Hit the touchdown.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
HiT's grab bike purse. Now with Kevin, here's Softy Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
At the eighteen of the Raiders in the gun. There's
the shotgun snap. It's a four man rushing winds up
and he throws a wobbling passat.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Peddling touchdown reception.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's made by the back pedaling CD lamb in the
back of the m zone and the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Cowboys have taking a lead. They're first tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
All right, boys and girls, there we go.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
We are back on a busy Wednesday night right here
on ninety three to three KJARFM. Our pleasure to welcome
in the voice of football in America, the moral compass
for millions of people around the globe, the NFL on
Westwood One, the NFL on CBS, the NBA on Amazon,
and I heck of a lot more our friend courtesy
at twin Peaks Tuck with They're great, Kevin Harlan, How
(01:18):
are you, pal?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm doing good? How are you keep saying the same
thing every week? None of it's true, but it sure is.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Nice to join you.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Well, you know, if you do something different with your life,
we could mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I'm trying to. I'm trying to, you know, solve hunger,
the homeless problem. I'm trying to, you know, conquer ills
and health issues. I'm trying. I'm prying. Just not making
much progress, Just.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
The same boring stuff every week. Well let's, uh, let's
go back and talk about what you saw Monday night
in Vegas. Man, I mean, the big win for the Cowboys,
nice win, nice game for Dak But man, Pete Carroll's
having a hard go there, buddy two and eight with
the Raiders. Uh, he's not used to being in that position.
Tell me about your your meeting with Pete, your conversations
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with him before the game and kind of what you
thought about the Raiders on Monday night, and you know
what your big takeaways were from being around Pete for
a couple of days there.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We actually did not meet with them, and the reason
why is we had a change with our analysts. It
was supposed to be Mike Golick, Yeah, and he got
sick and we were scheduled to visit on the field
and then Kurt Warner came in and we just it
just we got off schedule.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So never had a chance.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
However, that being said, he went into that game saying
we need to now turn the corner. He said, we're
halfway through the season. Let's turn the corner. And this
is a great game to start at home national stage.
We're feeling kind of good about some of the if.
They had only lost the two previous games by a
total of four points, and they came in there and
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and did not look good. So Cowboys were playing in
a very emotional wave honoring a fallen team who had
died the week before, Marshawn Nland, and so they were
emotionally into it. They were feeling I think that if
they were gonna save the season they needed to win.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They did. They go to four to five and one.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They're very much in the conversation in the NFC playoff race,
and so that was a huge game for the Cowboys.
They also basically got five starters back on defense, which
was pretty significant, including two guys they had just traded
for the linebacker and a defensive lineman. The linebackers Logan
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Wilson from Cincinnati. The defensive lineman was Quinn Williams from
the Jets. Both started. They also got a starter in
the secondary, an overshown who played linebacker and in the back.
And they just looked different. I mean, they just played well.
Raiders do not look their offense looks they're They're a
mess right now. And I hate the Pets going through this,
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but they are really struggling.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well. Kevin Harlan's with us.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Uh yeah, there's that notification telling me to ask you
about his contract. He's got only two more years left
in in Vegas. He signed a three year deal. I mean,
do you do you think he sticks around or is
this could this be maybe a one and done for
him down there?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think he'll see it through. Culture change is a
hard thing. They're they're trying to revamp not only their
coaching staff, which they've done to a degree led by Pete,
but they're they're trying to get.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Their scouting system and they're their general man.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They've got a lot of issues and it's tough. Is
all encompassing a personality as Pete is. It's just it's
a daunting task to change in one season.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I like this.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'd like to think he'd see there three. I'm hoping
he stairs there two and at least, you know, moves
the needle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right now, they're really not doing it.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, Well, Kevin Harlan's with us, and Kevin, you saw
the Seahawks a week ago, and then Donald went out
and threw four picks against the Rams on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Almost won the game.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I mean, incredible that he throws four picks and they
come within a sixty one yard field goal of winning
the game against the Rams, which was wide right by
Jason Myers. But there's this segment of the Seahawks fan
base that's just kind of wondering about Sam Donald in
big games. They have the game with the Lions on
their mind last year, the game with the Rams and
the playoffs on their mind last year and now this
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game on Sunday on their mind. How concerning would that
be for you if you were a Seahawk fan.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, it was a big game, and the last three
big games he's been in, two with the Vikings at
the end of last year, one in Detroit did not
look good. Certainly didn't look good in the playoff game
against the Rams that was played in Arizona, and then
this was arguably the biggest game they played this year,
a divisional foe for supremacy in the NFC, and it
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was not his best game. I don't know, you know,
I think in a way have to not disguise any
of the issues but address them. And he seems to
be a virile a very pliable teachable moment for him
and that team. But like you said, they were very
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close at the end. I mean, it was not that
big a gap, and there was that chance. But clearly
four interceptions is concerning in another big game. So I
don't know, I think it probably has to be addressed
a little bit clearly because those games stand out so
prominently in the last year.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, I don't know how much of that game you
saw Sunday because you were calling your own game obviously, Kevin.
But the Seahawks actually outgained the Rams, kind of dominated
them in the box score. If you're just looking at,
you know, pure numbers, the Hawks had a huge game
in the box score. They outgained them four hundred and
fourteen to two forty nine, twenty six first downs to twelve.
How much would you, I guess, if you were doing
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Kevin's power pole and ranking all the teams in the NFL,
how much would you nick? How much would you drop
the Hawks for a two point loss at the Rams?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Not much.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You don't drop a team by a quarterbacks individual play.
And you know, the body of work the Seahawks have
put in this year is so impressive and I would
stick more with that. Rams clearly are playing well. They're
the best team I think right now along with Philly
and the NFC. Their quarterback is on an MVP trek.
(07:27):
I think Sam was on that list in that conversation
for the for the first half of the season. It
may not be the case now, but the Rams clearly
are are a very good team and they are having
kind of a transcendent season. Their defenses at a year
to mature. Their quarterback is playing out of his mind.
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DeVante Adams has helped him. Clearly, they've gotten some guys back.
It's hard to deny that the Rams are not the
best team in the NFC right now. So to go
on the road, play there by a couple and your
quarterback did not have the best of days, I think
I'd be optimistic. Still, I don't think there's you know,
they would do a bad game. I don't know you.
(08:09):
I've not followed all their games, and at the tip
of my finger I wouldn't look it up and wouldn't know.
But you know, that really is really the first clunker
they've kind of put in. Yeah, I would say, no, no,
no worry, just with one of those days. If we
have a couple more of them here in the next month,
when these games mean so much. Now, maybe we have
a conversation point, but right now, no, Well.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I remember I asked you a couple of weeks ago, Kevin.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Kevin Hardin's with us by the way, courtesy at Twin Peaks, Tuguila,
if the Chiefs were back, and you thought they were
and I thought they were back, and I think the
entire NFL thought they were back then they went out
and lost the game to Buffalo and lost the game
to Denver. Now they've got kind of a must win
game I think at home against the Colts. I mean,
they're right now, they're out of a playoff race, but
I don't think they've lost three in a row since
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Mahomes showed up there. How desperate, honestly, is this chief
team to win this game Sunday at home versus Indy?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I would say it is.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's the first taste of a playoff game they're having
this season, and we've not said that about this organization
in many, many years. They've won nine straight division titles, right,
so that's historic undo itself. But to come in and
now with a five hundred record, losing to a divisional foe,
trailing the leader by a handful of games.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Now they're aiming.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
For like a different target, and that target is just
to get into the playoffs. Denver's not going to fold.
Chargers won't go away, although they're not. They've just been
riddled with significant injuries and they just it's hard for
any team to sustain what they've gone through. So they've
they've probably lessened the severity of where they stand. No, No,
the Chiefs are in that playoff feel right now and
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this is very early for them.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wake up call for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Even if they win out, it would be difficult the
way the AFC is kind of shaping up. But that's
basically what they're going to have to do. Some teams
are getting healthy and hot, like Baltimore. You know, I
just think that that clearly this becomes a game, and
it's almost not even because they're playing the Colts, although
that clearly adds something to it, but they need to
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start stacking some wins and they just have not done it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Well, It's funny you mentioned Baltimore because not many people
are talking about Baltimore. Not many people are talking about Buffalo,
and not many.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
But they're fools. They're fools if they're not talking about Baltimore,
hang on.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Hang on, But then not many you're talking about Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I mean, they've been traditionally, right in the last whatever
decade or so, in seven eight years, the three teams
to be in the AFC, and they seem to be
kind of all of them a little bit on the
outside looking in. So which one of them do you
think has a better chance to get back in here
and make a run at this thing and come from behind.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Baltimore. I like Baltimore. Yep, they lost their quarterback. It's like,
if any of these teams lose the starter, you're just wayward. Yeah,
And they were one in five and now they've got
their quarterback. He adds confidence the defense is playing a
bit better. Baltimore to me is probably the team to
beat in that division, and I think they're gonna have
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this incredible run and they've already started it to finish
the season. As long as Number eight is upright and
playing right and that that's always the key for all
these teams. So as long as he's back there under
center or in the gun, that's my pick in that division.
Rogers has got a broken bone in his non throwing wrist,
and that's got to be a concern.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Although Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Came in the other day and really played well against
the Bengals and that was a big game for Cincinnati.
I think New England is everyone is saying, why don't
we believe in New England? It's because of who they've played,
and that's not their fault. They've they've they've handled their
schedule they've beaten who they need to beat. They're on
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the road again this weekend against the Bengals, another test
for New England. But the Patriots have been such a surprise.
I just don't know them. And the Colts, I just
don't know if we've got a good read on them
until these other teams are what we think they are,
like Kansas City and Baltimore. So let's let's keep an
eye on the Chiefs, let's keep an eye on the Ravens,
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and enjoy what these kind of upstarts the Patriots, Uh
and the Colts have done to have the kind of
lofty position in the AFC playoff scenario that they've got
right now.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us again courtesy a twin peaks
Tuck Willa and Kevin.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Uh. I don't know where you will be for TV
on Sunday. We'll ask you. We'll ask you in a minute,
we'll ask you in a minute. I don't care. We're
gonna ask you anyway. I don't care. But I'm assuming.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I'm assuming that you're not doing the Browns and Raiders.
Oh my god, two and eight versus two and eight.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Maybe you are. You're not doing Browns and Raiders? Are
you no, I'm okay, good.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's like we're actually they have They've actually shifted us
to a new team.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
All right, well you know what that?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Let me guess, Yeah, we gotta do this, right, let
me guess Brown's Raiders. Sunday, Shador Sanders gets to start.
I don't know if I've ever seen a third string
quarterback more of a lightning rod than this guy. You know,
he plays last week, He's sitting on the bench. He's
not happy with the way he performed. He's kind of
keeping to himself, and Rex Ryan starts ripping him for,
you know, not engaging with people. Frankly, I think that
(13:18):
the nitpicking of him is getting a little bit ridiculous.
I'm not the biggest fan myself, but I think the
nitpicking is getting a little bit ridiculous. But for those
that think that Shador has been set up to fail,
whatever the heck that means in Cleveland, man, what do
you make of his situation starting this Sunday as a starter?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, he definitely has some gifts. There's no doubt he
has talent. I just think it's where do you classify
his gifts and his talent, like where are you putting him?
What are you looking for? And how does he fit
into your offense? And I think that you know, a
lot of teams considered him early when he began to fall.
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He fool he fell precipitously, and it was the big
story out of the draft of this past spring.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But there's something there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I just think it's going to take a real smart
guy to kind of uncork it and just put him
in the right situation. His mechanics, we've not seen enough
of it. His footwork. I mean, there's a lot that
needs to be worked out, and there's no doubt, but
there's also a lot to work with that the kid
has got. He's got talent. It's just can he make
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the switch from what was maybe a more wide open,
let it flame Heisman Trophy winning target that he had
at Colorado at the University of Colorado to what needs
to be accomplished in the NFL, which is all about structure, discipline, reading,
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reacting and doing the things that make these great quarterbacks
what they are. And I think he is on page
one of a five hundred page story and and it's
just going to take time. And it's just how much
discipline can they put in per week as the season
goes on and continues to unfold for a team that
will not make the playoffs again, you know, where, where
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do you start with him? And how do you prepare him?
And and and and what can you do to make
him comfortable? And that would probably be Stefanski's first the coach,
Stefanski's first job with him. Where what kind of game
plan can we give him now in the middle of
the season that has a comfort level where he can
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at least perform, And that really is what's going to
be the guy. It's it's not going to be the
full playbook, even though he's been using it. But when
the bullets start to fly, Uh, you've got to You've
got to rely on things that are comfort food, comfort plays,
a framework that he can succeed. And you cannot give
him a game plan that he clearly is going to
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fail because you want to use the book.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
He can't.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
He just can't do it. No, no rookie quarterback at
this stage can. He's not been taken first team reps
until this week. I mean the kid is He's came
in as the fourth quarterback during the season. So but
there there is something there. It's just what can they
show as he finishes off this season, what can he
show that brings promise to what he can do in
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the off season as maybe your starting your starter going forward.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah, have you seen the Titans, by the way in
person yet this year?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I have not. No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
We've they've they've not had the kind of record to
get our crew, and I have not seen him in person.
Have not seen the quarterback, so I couldn't talk about him.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Well, you know what, that was a stupid question by me.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, Listen, I think their defense is pretty good. They
changed coaches clearly. Now they've got they've got kind of
an interim situation. It seems it's pretty wonky down there.
A lot of turbulence. Rookie quarterback. I mean, there's just
a lot not going and the kids kind of been
put out there to survive on his own. Very tough,
ye unenviable position, and for all parties that are with
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them right now, and they need, they need a coach
that's going to come in there and be given a
long leash, a proven guy that can go in there
and do the job. You know, I want to just
backtrack here, just a second, your coach up there is
just he was a diamond in the rough. Clearly he
had proven himself as a coordinator defensively with Baltimore. But
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the culture is in Baltimore, that the parts were in Baltimore,
they head coach was in Baltimore. You didn't know how
much was him, but clearly the last great young coach
that has been unmined in this league is yours. Now,
canal Is at Carolina has been terrific, but your guy
up there has been the outlier. And is there another
McDonald out there that Tennessee can find and be as
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lucky as the Seahawks weren't getting them well?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
As you said, they're not good enough to have you
do their games.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
They're just not.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, no, no, no, no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I said that. I said that, leave it, Leave it
for the D team whoever the hell that is.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Give it. Give it to an intern at CBS. Let
them call the game. Oh here's here's my here's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Listen, if you're a crew, let me, if you're a
crew calling games in the NFL, to have that honor
every week, regardless of what network to call games in
the NFL at the network level is an honor. And
there's not a play by play broadcaster in the country
that would not jump to be one of the eight crews,
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of course as CBS or at Fox. So regardless of
what game you get, regardless of what game you get,
to have a job at that level is a is
A is a career achievement. None of us that have
it take it lightly. Anybody that gets it has arrived
to a degree. So whatever game we're given, we're given,
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you never complain, you say thank you?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Did I get to work at this level?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay, you're doing Browns Raiders Sunday? Uh No, where will.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Kevin be for TV on Sunday? We know you got
the Niners and the Panthers on Monday Night. I'm gonna
guess that, Tony.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, no, no, no, I'm taking Monday Night.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Oh you are are?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Who said okay to that?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, they get me. I can take three off a year, okay,
And I chose that. I chose before and after Thanksgiving.
We've got family, kids, I want to I want to
be very present for all the things that are so
special about this time of year.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And so I'm taking those two games off.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
All right, well, I'm going to assume that Tony and
Jimmy are doing Colts Chiefs. I'm going to predict that
you are calling.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know what I gave you I know, no, no, no,
I gave you a hint.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You said it was a new team.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That they put us on a new team, because that
team is red hot in the talk of the league
right now.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I'm gonna say that you are doing the Patriot game.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That bing ding ding dinging down. Finally, finally, after after years,
literally years of miscalculating and missing the target, you have
finally you have finally got when. Yeah, they're putting us.
They want to put us on the Patriots because they've
become the hot story in the in the AFC right now,
and we're anxious to see him. Quite frankly, we want
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to talk with Rabele tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
All right, Listen, you're taking Monday night off. Can we
talk next Wednesday? Is that okay? Or do you want
Wednesday off too?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Uh? No, no, we can do no. One, Well, you
know what, let's talk off the air about that one.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
All right.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know, because I think about my friend Brad over
at Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I don't want to let him down.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, you know, you know he's he's such a supporter
of your you, your show. Some reason he wants to
be a part of this particular thing. I'm not sure why.
I'm thankful that he is at this time of year
that we give thanks. But but no, I I we
can probably work.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
So we'll figure out if you need it often, no problem,
we understand.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Just save, just save, just save me some turkey.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
All right, Kevin, you're the man, great stuff, and we'll
talk when we talk, all right, see you, But.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
All right, softy, thanks, all right, Kevin Harlan with us.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
We're gonna break a lot more to get to, including
never forget the Husky Hanks at six pm tonight. We
had hockey yesterday, so the honks will talk some dogs.
Greg and Mario at six on ninety three three kJ
R FM
They are NFL champions.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Seattlesyhawks have one Super Bowl forty eight.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
He's a pulldozer.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
He's a beat brought to you by Twin Peaks in
Tuckwilla open every Sunday morning just in time for kickoff.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
He was like a pin ball hanging off buddy.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
He's a twenty three.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yard catch it run catch every game, every bite and
every sip only at Twin Peaks Tuck Willa.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hit the touchdown, Hit the touchdown.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
HiT's grab bike purse. Now with Kevin, here's Softy Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
At the eighteen of the Raiders in the gun. There's
the shotgun snap. It's a four man rushing winds up
and he throws a wobbling passat.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Peddling touchdown reception.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's made by the back pedaling CD lamb in the
back of the m zone and the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Cowboys have taking a lead. They're first tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
All right, boys and girls, there we go.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
We are back on a busy Wednesday night right here
on ninety three to three KJARFM. Our pleasure to welcome
in the voice of football in America, the moral compass
for millions of people around the globe, the NFL on
Westwood One, the NFL on CBS, the NBA on Amazon,
and I heck of a lot more our friend courtesy
at twin Peaks Tuck with They're great, Kevin Harlan, How
(01:18):
are you, pal?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm doing good? How are you keep saying the same
thing every week? None of it's true, but it sure is.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Nice to join you.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Well, you know, if you do something different with your life,
we could mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I'm trying to. I'm trying to, you know, solve hunger,
the homeless problem. I'm trying to, you know, conquer ills
and health issues. I'm trying. I'm prying. Just not making
much progress, Just.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
The same boring stuff every week. Well let's, uh, let's
go back and talk about what you saw Monday night
in Vegas. Man, I mean, the big win for the Cowboys,
nice win, nice game for Dak But man, Pete Carroll's
having a hard go there, buddy two and eight with
the Raiders. Uh, he's not used to being in that position.
Tell me about your your meeting with Pete, your conversations
(02:01):
with him before the game and kind of what you
thought about the Raiders on Monday night, and you know
what your big takeaways were from being around Pete for
a couple of days there.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We actually did not meet with them, and the reason
why is we had a change with our analysts. It
was supposed to be Mike Golick, Yeah, and he got
sick and we were scheduled to visit on the field
and then Kurt Warner came in and we just it
just we got off schedule.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So never had a chance.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
However, that being said, he went into that game saying
we need to now turn the corner. He said, we're
halfway through the season. Let's turn the corner. And this
is a great game to start at home national stage.
We're feeling kind of good about some of the if.
They had only lost the two previous games by a
total of four points, and they came in there and
(02:52):
and did not look good. So Cowboys were playing in
a very emotional wave honoring a fallen team who had
died the week before, Marshawn Nland, and so they were
emotionally into it. They were feeling I think that if
they were gonna save the season they needed to win.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They did. They go to four to five and one.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They're very much in the conversation in the NFC playoff race,
and so that was a huge game for the Cowboys.
They also basically got five starters back on defense, which
was pretty significant, including two guys they had just traded
for the linebacker and a defensive lineman. The linebackers Logan
(03:34):
Wilson from Cincinnati. The defensive lineman was Quinn Williams from
the Jets. Both started. They also got a starter in
the secondary, an overshown who played linebacker and in the back.
And they just looked different. I mean, they just played well.
Raiders do not look their offense looks they're They're a
mess right now. And I hate the Pets going through this,
(03:56):
but they are really struggling.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well. Kevin Harlan's with us.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Uh yeah, there's that notification telling me to ask you
about his contract. He's got only two more years left
in in Vegas. He signed a three year deal. I mean,
do you do you think he sticks around or is
this could this be maybe a one and done for
him down there?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think he'll see it through. Culture change is a
hard thing. They're they're trying to revamp not only their
coaching staff, which they've done to a degree led by Pete,
but they're they're trying to get.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Their scouting system and they're their general man.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They've got a lot of issues and it's tough. Is
all encompassing a personality as Pete is. It's just it's
a daunting task to change in one season.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I like this.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'd like to think he'd see there three. I'm hoping
he stairs there two and at least, you know, moves
the needle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right now, they're really not doing it.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, Well, Kevin Harlan's with us, and Kevin, you saw
the Seahawks a week ago, and then Donald went out
and threw four picks against the Rams on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Almost won the game.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I mean, incredible that he throws four picks and they
come within a sixty one yard field goal of winning
the game against the Rams, which was wide right by
Jason Myers. But there's this segment of the Seahawks fan
base that's just kind of wondering about Sam Donald in
big games. They have the game with the Lions on
their mind last year, the game with the Rams and
the playoffs on their mind last year and now this
(05:27):
game on Sunday on their mind. How concerning would that
be for you if you were a Seahawk fan.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, it was a big game, and the last three
big games he's been in, two with the Vikings at
the end of last year, one in Detroit did not
look good. Certainly didn't look good in the playoff game
against the Rams that was played in Arizona, and then
this was arguably the biggest game they played this year,
a divisional foe for supremacy in the NFC, and it
(05:56):
was not his best game. I don't know, you know,
I think in a way have to not disguise any
of the issues but address them. And he seems to
be a virile a very pliable teachable moment for him
and that team. But like you said, they were very
(06:16):
close at the end. I mean, it was not that
big a gap, and there was that chance. But clearly
four interceptions is concerning in another big game. So I
don't know, I think it probably has to be addressed
a little bit clearly because those games stand out so
prominently in the last year.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, I don't know how much of that game you
saw Sunday because you were calling your own game obviously, Kevin.
But the Seahawks actually outgained the Rams, kind of dominated
them in the box score. If you're just looking at,
you know, pure numbers, the Hawks had a huge game
in the box score. They outgained them four hundred and
fourteen to two forty nine, twenty six first downs to twelve.
How much would you, I guess, if you were doing
(06:56):
Kevin's power pole and ranking all the teams in the NFL,
how much would you nick? How much would you drop
the Hawks for a two point loss at the Rams?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Not much.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You don't drop a team by a quarterbacks individual play.
And you know, the body of work the Seahawks have
put in this year is so impressive and I would
stick more with that. Rams clearly are playing well. They're
the best team I think right now along with Philly
and the NFC. Their quarterback is on an MVP trek.
(07:27):
I think Sam was on that list in that conversation
for the for the first half of the season. It
may not be the case now, but the Rams clearly
are are a very good team and they are having
kind of a transcendent season. Their defenses at a year
to mature. Their quarterback is playing out of his mind.
(07:48):
DeVante Adams has helped him. Clearly, they've gotten some guys back.
It's hard to deny that the Rams are not the
best team in the NFC right now. So to go
on the road, play there by a couple and your
quarterback did not have the best of days, I think
I'd be optimistic. Still, I don't think there's you know,
they would do a bad game. I don't know you.
(08:09):
I've not followed all their games, and at the tip
of my finger I wouldn't look it up and wouldn't know.
But you know, that really is really the first clunker
they've kind of put in. Yeah, I would say, no, no,
no worry, just with one of those days. If we
have a couple more of them here in the next month,
when these games mean so much. Now, maybe we have
a conversation point, but right now, no, Well.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I remember I asked you a couple of weeks ago, Kevin.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Kevin Hardin's with us by the way, courtesy at Twin Peaks, Tuguila,
if the Chiefs were back, and you thought they were
and I thought they were back, and I think the
entire NFL thought they were back then they went out
and lost the game to Buffalo and lost the game
to Denver. Now they've got kind of a must win
game I think at home against the Colts. I mean,
they're right now, they're out of a playoff race, but
I don't think they've lost three in a row since
(08:55):
Mahomes showed up there. How desperate, honestly, is this chief
team to win this game Sunday at home versus Indy?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I would say it is.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's the first taste of a playoff game they're having
this season, and we've not said that about this organization
in many, many years. They've won nine straight division titles, right,
so that's historic undo itself. But to come in and
now with a five hundred record, losing to a divisional foe,
trailing the leader by a handful of games.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Now they're aiming.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
For like a different target, and that target is just
to get into the playoffs. Denver's not going to fold.
Chargers won't go away, although they're not. They've just been
riddled with significant injuries and they just it's hard for
any team to sustain what they've gone through. So they've
they've probably lessened the severity of where they stand. No, No,
the Chiefs are in that playoff feel right now and
(09:50):
this is very early for them.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wake up call for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Even if they win out, it would be difficult the
way the AFC is kind of shaping up. But that's
basically what they're going to have to do. Some teams
are getting healthy and hot, like Baltimore. You know, I
just think that that clearly this becomes a game, and
it's almost not even because they're playing the Colts, although
that clearly adds something to it, but they need to
(10:15):
start stacking some wins and they just have not done it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Well, It's funny you mentioned Baltimore because not many people
are talking about Baltimore. Not many people are talking about Buffalo,
and not many.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
But they're fools. They're fools if they're not talking about Baltimore,
hang on.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Hang on, But then not many you're talking about Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I mean, they've been traditionally, right in the last whatever
decade or so, in seven eight years, the three teams
to be in the AFC, and they seem to be
kind of all of them a little bit on the
outside looking in. So which one of them do you
think has a better chance to get back in here
and make a run at this thing and come from behind.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Baltimore. I like Baltimore. Yep, they lost their quarterback. It's like,
if any of these teams lose the starter, you're just wayward. Yeah,
And they were one in five and now they've got
their quarterback. He adds confidence the defense is playing a
bit better. Baltimore to me is probably the team to
beat in that division, and I think they're gonna have
(11:10):
this incredible run and they've already started it to finish
the season. As long as Number eight is upright and
playing right and that that's always the key for all
these teams. So as long as he's back there under
center or in the gun, that's my pick in that division.
Rogers has got a broken bone in his non throwing wrist,
and that's got to be a concern.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Although Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Came in the other day and really played well against
the Bengals and that was a big game for Cincinnati.
I think New England is everyone is saying, why don't
we believe in New England? It's because of who they've played,
and that's not their fault. They've they've they've handled their
schedule they've beaten who they need to beat. They're on
(11:52):
the road again this weekend against the Bengals, another test
for New England. But the Patriots have been such a surprise.
I just don't know them. And the Colts, I just
don't know if we've got a good read on them
until these other teams are what we think they are,
like Kansas City and Baltimore. So let's let's keep an
eye on the Chiefs, let's keep an eye on the Ravens,
(12:12):
and enjoy what these kind of upstarts the Patriots, Uh
and the Colts have done to have the kind of
lofty position in the AFC playoff scenario that they've got
right now.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us again courtesy a twin peaks
Tuck Willa and Kevin.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Uh. I don't know where you will be for TV
on Sunday. We'll ask you. We'll ask you in a minute,
we'll ask you in a minute. I don't care. We're
gonna ask you anyway. I don't care. But I'm assuming.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I'm assuming that you're not doing the Browns and Raiders.
Oh my god, two and eight versus two and eight.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Maybe you are. You're not doing Browns and Raiders? Are
you no, I'm okay, good.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's like we're actually they have They've actually shifted us
to a new team.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
All right, well you know what that?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Let me guess, Yeah, we gotta do this, right, let
me guess Brown's Raiders. Sunday, Shador Sanders gets to start.
I don't know if I've ever seen a third string
quarterback more of a lightning rod than this guy. You know,
he plays last week, He's sitting on the bench. He's
not happy with the way he performed. He's kind of
keeping to himself, and Rex Ryan starts ripping him for,
you know, not engaging with people. Frankly, I think that
(13:18):
the nitpicking of him is getting a little bit ridiculous.
I'm not the biggest fan myself, but I think the
nitpicking is getting a little bit ridiculous. But for those
that think that Shador has been set up to fail,
whatever the heck that means in Cleveland, man, what do
you make of his situation starting this Sunday as a starter?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, he definitely has some gifts. There's no doubt he
has talent. I just think it's where do you classify
his gifts and his talent, like where are you putting him?
What are you looking for? And how does he fit
into your offense? And I think that you know, a
lot of teams considered him early when he began to fall.
(13:57):
He fool he fell precipitously, and it was the big
story out of the draft of this past spring.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But there's something there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I just think it's going to take a real smart
guy to kind of uncork it and just put him
in the right situation. His mechanics, we've not seen enough
of it. His footwork. I mean, there's a lot that
needs to be worked out, and there's no doubt, but
there's also a lot to work with that the kid
has got. He's got talent. It's just can he make
(14:29):
the switch from what was maybe a more wide open,
let it flame Heisman Trophy winning target that he had
at Colorado at the University of Colorado to what needs
to be accomplished in the NFL, which is all about structure, discipline, reading,
(14:50):
reacting and doing the things that make these great quarterbacks
what they are. And I think he is on page
one of a five hundred page story and and it's
just going to take time. And it's just how much
discipline can they put in per week as the season
goes on and continues to unfold for a team that
will not make the playoffs again, you know, where, where
(15:11):
do you start with him? And how do you prepare him?
And and and and what can you do to make
him comfortable? And that would probably be Stefanski's first the coach,
Stefanski's first job with him. Where what kind of game
plan can we give him now in the middle of
the season that has a comfort level where he can
(15:33):
at least perform, And that really is what's going to
be the guy. It's it's not going to be the
full playbook, even though he's been using it. But when
the bullets start to fly, Uh, you've got to You've
got to rely on things that are comfort food, comfort plays,
a framework that he can succeed. And you cannot give
him a game plan that he clearly is going to
(15:53):
fail because you want to use the book.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
He can't.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
He just can't do it. No, no rookie quarterback at
this stage can. He's not been taken first team reps
until this week. I mean the kid is He's came
in as the fourth quarterback during the season. So but
there there is something there. It's just what can they
show as he finishes off this season, what can he
show that brings promise to what he can do in
(16:17):
the off season as maybe your starting your starter going forward.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah, have you seen the Titans, by the way in
person yet this year?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I have not. No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
We've they've they've not had the kind of record to
get our crew, and I have not seen him in person.
Have not seen the quarterback, so I couldn't talk about him.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Well, you know what, that was a stupid question by me.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, Listen, I think their defense is pretty good. They
changed coaches clearly. Now they've got they've got kind of
an interim situation. It seems it's pretty wonky down there.
A lot of turbulence. Rookie quarterback. I mean, there's just
a lot not going and the kids kind of been
put out there to survive on his own. Very tough,
ye unenviable position, and for all parties that are with
(17:02):
them right now, and they need, they need a coach
that's going to come in there and be given a
long leash, a proven guy that can go in there
and do the job. You know, I want to just
backtrack here, just a second, your coach up there is
just he was a diamond in the rough. Clearly he
had proven himself as a coordinator defensively with Baltimore. But
(17:26):
the culture is in Baltimore, that the parts were in Baltimore,
they head coach was in Baltimore. You didn't know how
much was him, but clearly the last great young coach
that has been unmined in this league is yours. Now,
canal Is at Carolina has been terrific, but your guy
up there has been the outlier. And is there another
McDonald out there that Tennessee can find and be as
(17:51):
lucky as the Seahawks weren't getting them well?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
As you said, they're not good enough to have you
do their games.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
They're just not.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, no, no, no, no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I said that. I said that, leave it, Leave it
for the D team whoever the hell that is.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Give it. Give it to an intern at CBS. Let
them call the game. Oh here's here's my here's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Listen, if you're a crew, let me, if you're a
crew calling games in the NFL, to have that honor
every week, regardless of what network to call games in
the NFL at the network level is an honor. And
there's not a play by play broadcaster in the country
that would not jump to be one of the eight crews,
(18:36):
of course as CBS or at Fox. So regardless of
what game you get, regardless of what game you get,
to have a job at that level is a is
A is a career achievement. None of us that have
it take it lightly. Anybody that gets it has arrived
to a degree. So whatever game we're given, we're given,
(18:57):
you never complain, you say thank you?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Did I get to work at this level?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay, you're doing Browns Raiders Sunday? Uh No, where will.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Kevin be for TV on Sunday? We know you got
the Niners and the Panthers on Monday Night. I'm gonna
guess that, Tony.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, no, no, no, I'm taking Monday Night.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Oh you are are?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Who said okay to that?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, they get me. I can take three off a year, okay,
And I chose that. I chose before and after Thanksgiving.
We've got family, kids, I want to I want to
be very present for all the things that are so
special about this time of year.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And so I'm taking those two games off.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
All right, well, I'm going to assume that Tony and
Jimmy are doing Colts Chiefs. I'm going to predict that
you are calling.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know what I gave you I know, no, no, no,
I gave you a hint.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You said it was a new team.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That they put us on a new team, because that
team is red hot in the talk of the league
right now.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I'm gonna say that you are doing the Patriot game.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That bing ding ding dinging down. Finally, finally, after after years,
literally years of miscalculating and missing the target, you have
finally you have finally got when. Yeah, they're putting us.
They want to put us on the Patriots because they've
become the hot story in the in the AFC right now,
and we're anxious to see him. Quite frankly, we want
(20:21):
to talk with Rabele tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
All right, Listen, you're taking Monday night off. Can we
talk next Wednesday? Is that okay? Or do you want
Wednesday off too?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Uh? No, no, we can do no. One, Well, you
know what, let's talk off the air about that one.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
All right.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know, because I think about my friend Brad over
at Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I don't want to let him down.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, you know, you know he's he's such a supporter
of your you, your show. Some reason he wants to
be a part of this particular thing. I'm not sure why.
I'm thankful that he is at this time of year
that we give thanks. But but no, I I we
can probably work.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
So we'll figure out if you need it often, no problem,
we understand.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Just save, just save, just save me some turkey.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
All right, Kevin, you're the man, great stuff, and we'll
talk when we talk, all right, see you, But.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
All right, softy, thanks, all right, Kevin Harlan with us.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
We're gonna break a lot more to get to, including
never forget the Husky Hanks at six pm tonight. We
had hockey yesterday, so the honks will talk some dogs.
Greg and Mario at six on ninety three three kJ
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