November 21, 2024 • 18 mins
Legendary coach Mike Holmgren joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about Andy Reid’s new contract, the now beaten Chiefs, Hall of Fame candidates from the Seahawks, including Mike, Seattle’s win over San Francisco, and the Cardinals next.
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Speaker 5 (01:58):
Mike Holmgren with all right, he's.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
A little bit under the weather, so he's staying home.
He's got a case of the sniffle. He's got a
case of the Thursdays and he's staying home. You know,
I'm just starting to think that Mike Holgan wants nothing
to do with us in person. Nothing like this is
like four weeks in a row. I mean, I don't
even know what the guy looks like.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
I wish I could be there, Yeah, I wish I
could be there.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I don't think that's true. I think if you really
wanted to be here, you were to try to find
a way to suck it up. And you get here, but.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
You're not well.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
I hate to bring this out, but you've been wrong before.
You've been wrong before, and now you're wrong.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
What if one of your players said, you know what,
I really wish I could make practice coach, but I
can't stop coffing. What would you say to him.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
I see, I'll see you on the field. I'll meet
you out there.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
Hey, by the way to me on the phone, that's
what you said to me on the phone. But I
just and I tried, but I don't want I'm thinking
of you guys. I don't want you guys to get
the sniffles or whatever.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
I have it's always an easy and I'm thinking of
you guys, I'm going to stay home when really you're
thinking about yourself and sitting on your butt at home. Man,
And I get it. I've been there before. But hey, Mike, Mike,
let me ask you a question. Do you and do
you and Andy Reid still share the same agent? You
guys have the same agent? By the way, yes, okay,
So what do you call the Mott? Call called Bob
and ask him. I saw a story on Twitter, and
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I'm not convinced it's real, by the way at all, okay,
because I have not been able to see it or
confirm it with anybody else. Somebody's tweeting that Andy Reid
is about to sign a five year, one hundred million
dollar contract to remain is the coach of the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Can you call them, Mott and see if that's true?
Speaker 7 (03:30):
No, I already know it's true.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It is.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
What.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
Wow, that's been done? Holy, that's actually that's actually old news. Yeah.
I phoned him up when I read. When I found out,
I phoned Andy and I said, hey, congratulations, can I
borrow some money from you? Please?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Oh my god? One hundred million dollars for Andy Reid.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Holy Ken, it's a I think it's a long you
know the exact number, but it's in that range. But
it's a ten year deal, I think. Okay, you never
know that. You know, I don't know the fine print
in it, but it's a it's he's he's, he's he
can he can buy a lot of cheeseburgers with that.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Jesus Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The only place I see it is Times of India,
So it's Mike.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
That's where I saw it. The people, the only.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
People are reporting this. You are a you break stories.
You should be a reporter. Coach like Adam Schefter.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah, no, he I Bob represents so many guys now
in the league. You know, I was his first guy
who's lost my phone number, of course, but he has
he has shoots, sixteen coaches, general manager. He's got a
lot of guys in the league. Now.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Wow, I gotta be honest with you, Dick.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The reason why I thought it was fake is because
I saw it at the Times of India. Yeah, that's
why this guy's confirming it. Unbelievable. Well, good for him, man,
he just said no question about it. And you know,
before we talked some Seahawks Man, they lost to Buffalo
over the weekend, And I asked Harlan this yesterday, Mike,
when he was on the year with US. I guess
there's two ways you can go with the Chiefs. Either A,
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they lost a game, we can stop all this seventeen
and oh stuff, if they were even remotely thinking about that,
maybe kicking one is a good thing for Kansas City.
Or man, you know what, they've been kind of hanging
on by a thread and they finally got caught by Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
What side do you kind of land down with that?
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Well, I think they're season that You're right about the
fact that they won games, but a lot of close games.
And I'll listen, I give Andy a lot of credit
for that. And they have the Mahomes who makes plays.
I mean, he wins games for you. He's special. But
then they have a good defense. But they they haven't
been the dominant team. I don't think even though they
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were undefeated. I mean, it's kind of weird to say
they weren't dominant, but they they haven't been dominating games,
but they've been winning the close ones. And eck, just
look at the block field goal, you know that game
that they won. So but they'll be they'll be around
at the finish, they'll be one of the teams they're
fighting for the Super Bowl, no question, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
How many teams, coacher are on your Super Bowl Championship
list that if you shut your eyes, you can say
no surprise at all if this team wins the championship.
How deep is that list?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Well, it's changed, Dick this year. You know. I thought
I always sat San Francisco had the chance, and now
I'm not so sure. But I think Buffalo's up there.
Detroit and the way Philadelphia is playing right now, those
two teams in the NFC from our division, I'm not
quite sure any of the teams are ready for that
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right now. But I think the two teams Denver, excuse me,
Philadelphia and Detroit and then and then Baltimore. I like Baltimore,
you know, but it'll be a fight. It'll be close
down to the end. I think.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah, Well, Mike Congred's with us, and we'll talk some
Seahawks in a minute. And I just saw a story,
by the way about the Hall of Fame that Robert
Kraft got denied by the Hall of Fame. Are you
in the same category as Robert Kraft the coach contributor category.
Is that one big thing?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
Now, No, they split it up this year. They they
they it was together, and then they this year they
have just a coach's group and then a contributor group.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
So one for me to think, right, because they they
actually voted on that a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I know you know that.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I know your daughters know that, and they're not going
to announce it for a couple of weeks. I don't
get that portion of it. I mean, what do they
just they want to prove they can sit on something
for two weeks and keep it.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
You sound like Kathy a little bad. He's driving her cuckoo?
You know shoes, Yeah, I go, it's it's listen, whatever happened?
You know, if you guys we talked about this before,
it'd be a wonderful thing. It really would be. And
and but heck, it's doesn't rule your life, you know,
it really doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, I how about this. I'll make you a deal.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
You can go into the Hall of Fame, but in
your speech you have to mention me, Dick and Jackson.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You agree to that.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Well, that's a guaranteed. That is guaranteed. And I went
into a fame in California last week and my high
school coach that started with me, and he was there
with his wife and Haskell was there. It was really
fun and I got to mention. You get a chance
to mention those guys, and they deserve it because the
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assistant coach is looking I was. I get the name
and all that stuff, but my staff was awesome. They
really were.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Coach Earl Thomas's name in the news. He's made it
onto the list of twenty five semi finalists. Is he
a Hall of Famer eventually?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
A's question number one? And should he be a Hall
of Famer right away is question number two? If you
think you should be eventually.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
I'm not sure. I mean, I think he's you know,
he was really good for the Seahawks. But I look
at when I think of players going into Hall of Fame,
and this isn't probably how the committee looks like it,
but I look at who they were and what they did,
and and how they were, how they were teammates, and
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and they didn't flip anybody off, and you know, with
all all those kind of things. So he was he's
a good enough player. I think he's I think he's
not going to go in the first first round. That
would surprise me. But I think eventually, yeah, people recognized
he was really a fine player.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yeah, Mike, how surprised were you speaking of surprise to
just simply put see the Seahawks go to San Francisco
and win on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Yeah, I was surprised a little bit. But then I
as you dig a little deeper into the forty nine
ers right now, they are they are really they've they've
lost too many good players and they lost uh so
most in the game. That was a change. As soon
as he went out, I said, Okay, this is this
is this is going to be different now. And then
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you know, Deebo Samuel, it was like he wasn't. I
don't know where he went, you know, I don't. I
don't understand what they're doing right now. They don't seem
like same forty nine er team, but injuries have had
a lot to do with it. But having said that,
what a great win for the Seahawks. I mean they
went down there away game and you know, got it
down on that last drive.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Mike McDonald's come out this week and talked about the
added importance of this game. I mean, he has totally
gone one hundred and eighty degrees away from how Pete
Carroll handled games. I mean Pete Carroll was just like,
it's championship week every single week. Now, no game is
bigger than other. And Mike mcdonald'says, no, this game is
bigger based upon where we are in the standings and
(10:33):
that it's a division game. This game is bigger. Which
which route do you like to take?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
Oh? I like to take you No, I like to
emphasize big games. No, i''m with Mike McDonald on this.
And you know, look at we all know Pete and
he's going to say what he says, and he's that's
what he says. But down and deep in his heart
and his staff and his players, they knew when they
had a big game, a game that they had to
win to stay in contention or whatever. And certain games
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are like that and this is one of them. You know,
they're the division this year is so close that you
probably are gonna hear him say that each week now.
And so maybe one game isn't any bigger than another,
but they must win games.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Mike.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
If you told me right now, we can fast forward
to I don't know, two and a half minutes to
go in the fourth quarter, Seahawks are down by three
points and they have the ball. I think I'd take it, honestly,
because Gino Smith and game winning drives in the fourth
quarter has been unbelievable. Nobody has more than him since
the start of the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Why is that? Why is he so good in that
type of situation?
Speaker 7 (11:41):
You know what, that's a tough one to answer, but
he has performed beautifully in that situation. So you know,
it's just I guess there's a certain calm maybe that
comes over him and he's done it before, and he goes, Okay,
I can do this again. I've done it many times before.
Let's just do it. And his teammates leave and in him,
and then you know, you couple like his runs. You
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play a man under coverage where the like the forty
nine ers did a couple of times, and you got
a quarterback that can run. Russell Wilson did the same thing,
you know, in those situations and it's very very difficult
to stop. And he has that kind of ability as
a runner, right and he's you know, he's really a
beautiful thrower. I mean, he really is a good thrower.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Well, yeah, I mean my question would be, do you
just go more up tempo and look you I mean
you and I have talked about that before that it
kind of limits the playbook all that stuff, but just
you know, just playing free and just playing with you know,
faster pace. Is that something that if you're talking to
Ryan Grugg, you'd say, hey, maybe pull that card out
a little bit earlier in the game.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Yeah, you know, we have talked about that before, and
I think that's a good idea, I really do, you know,
because you know, you don't want to make mistakes, and
mistakes can come in that situation is not as controlled
by your coaches, mainly at the quarterback is andling things.
But he has shown the ability to do that, So
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why not you know, you know, early on and then
if it's early in the game or in the middle
of the game and it's and it doesn't quite work
the way you want to, Okay, you tried, and you
and we'll keep working on it. But he has shown
the ability to do that, so I'd like to see
a little bit more of it, just like you would.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And he's he's been amazing at times, and then coach
he just does the inexplicable. I mean, he had another
inexplicable pick. He had a bunch of ars against the Rams.
I mean, is that is it too late to coach
that stuff out of him, like just the game crushing
double minus plays, Because if you could just take one
or two of those out a game for Gino Smith,
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I mean, he'd vault from a mediocre quarterback into a
top ten quarterback in the league.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
I think, yeah, I don't think it's ever too late.
You know, that's what that's what you sit down and
talk to him about and listen with far as an example,
you know, we had that conversation. I had to have
that conversation with him because as talented as he was,
he would do things and then you just shake your
head right and then finally, finally, after pounding him enough,
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you know, finally it got better. It got better. It
didn't happen as much. And so I don't think you
ever stop. You never stop coaching a quarterback that way,
particularly if you got a quarterback who believes in you
and listens to you. That's a big one. You know,
if you lose that, then it gets a little bit harder.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Well, Mike Comrigan's with us and Mike, I remember we
talked last week about the linebacker situation and whether or
not we would be kind of critical of John for
signing two guys that didn't make it to Thanksgiving or
give him some compliments for identifying a problem and correcting it.
And now we're seeing Tyree Knight, we're seeing Ernest Jones
obviously out there on Sunday versus San Francisco. Did you
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see any obvious differences from the linebacker corps from this
last week to a couple of weeks ago that shows
that they've definitely improved in that category.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
I did, In fact, I made a little note Ernest Jones.
I think he's really good. I don't know. I don't
know how we got a hold of him, you know,
because he I thought in that game he really performed well.
And that's the type of leader you need right in
the middle, you know, the Bobby Wagners, the kJ Wrights,
those guys. You need him in there. And if he
continues playing, I read where he wants to stay here
(15:26):
and I wants to sign a new contract. He's playing
for one and he you know, he's he really played
well against the forty nine ers against Christian McCaffrey, and
they needed him in there. So I saw a big jump. Yes,
they did.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Coach, the Hawks are dealing with power out.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's like, you know, thousands, hundred thousands of people in
the in the Northwest the last couple of days. Have
you ever had to deal with something like that? Just
that totally knocked your practice week off kilter.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I can't think of one like that, Dick, I really
can't it. Uh. You know, in Green Bay, you get weather,
and then they built the new you know, and then
I told you the story that you know Forrest, Greg
and those guys, they go out and practice and in
unbelievable weather. You can die in the weather. And then
and then I said, we're not doing that. We're going inside.
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We'll die on Sunday if we have to, you know.
So that was you know, that's the that's the main
thing we had I have had to deal with. Uh,
I think during during when I was coaching, but nothing
like nothing like the blackout my goodness. Nor Hey, by
the way, did you guys get hit with a blackout?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I didn't, but I got I got hit with a blackout.
And a Tree coach.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Oh, she was, yeah, yeah, we came back, we went up.
We just got the bar power on just a little
while ago. That's why I can use it. I can
talk to you guys here at home. Otherwise they're gonna
have to drive out in my car.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I just texted Curtis Crabtree and he said the power
is still out of the vMac as if this very second.
By the way, but hey, Mike, one more before you go.
We'll let you go rest up, have some can soup,
get a nap. All that stuff you heard about Daniel Jones,
that the the Giants are benching Daniel Jones and they're
going to Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
They're bypassing Drew Locke and going right to the Vito.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Did you guys hear what Daniel Jones was doing in
practice today, by the way, with the Giants scout team.
He's playing safety on the scout team.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Safety.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Yes, they took one hundred and sixty million dollar quarterback,
what who? And they put him at safety on the
scout team. Now this is correct because everybody's reporting this.
I also saw a report from somebody who said that
Daniel Jones may just leave the team. After Thanksgiving because
he's just done. Can you ever imagine doing that to somebody.
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I mean, look, whether he's worth the money or not,
whether he's performed or not, you're taking your starting quarterback
one week, and you're making him a scout team safety
the next week after benching him.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
No, you're you're no, why you Amelia? No? No? You
know what? I get a player as an example. You
et a player and and okay, he doesn't live up
to expectation, but you still love the guy. I mean,
you've seen how he works and you like him, and Okay,
it's not working, so you find some other solution. I
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think with the contracts the way they are now, that
there's so much money involved, that what they were worried about.
And they did the same thing with Russell Wilson him
there's an injury clause. He got hurt, then he'd get
this contract, but he'd get the guaranteed money the next year,
and they don't want that to happen. So I don't
even know why they're having him play safety, because if
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he plays safety, all of a sudden he pulled the
amstring or you know, doing some stupid But no, that's
to me that's disrespectful. I don't care. I don't care
how the kid has played for you. That's that you
don't treat the athlete that way. I don't think you.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Yeah, The Athletic reported, but Jones was seen wearing a
red Scout team jersey as a safety during portions of
the team practice today in New Jersey. Man, unbelievable. All right, hey, Mike,
go get better. Take next Thursday off?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Is this Thanksgiving? All right?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Yeah, you can take Thursday off. We might call you
for a little hit on Wednesday, though, so be ready for.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
That, right, all right, I'm ready, all right, go.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Get it, man. Mike Obrin with us on the radio show.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Can you believe that I thought that story was bogus
when I saw it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's like something out of the Onion?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Because Old's right. I mean, okay, yeah, they're probably not.
The safety's probably not laying hits in the practice.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But at what point do you get so pissed with
the team that you're just like, oh, you just like
crumple with an injury.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You just I'm gonna go purposely like tear my ankle
up on the field and just be like screw you guys.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Man, here's my injury. Pay me the rest of my money.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I Had's embarrassing for the Giants. Totally embarrassing for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
And this is, by the way, this just leads to
me at least further credence to the idea that the
Giants skipped over Drew Lock because they didn't want to
pay him a million bucks or whatever the incentives were.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
This is how stupid they are.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
They take Daniel Jones and put them at Scout Team
Safety and they won't pay a guy a million bucks,
so they go right to number three.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
It makes you kind of appreciate a little bit.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I know that, you know, Jodie's not Paul, and they
haven't had that kind of success yet, but can you
ever imagine that happening here in Seattle ever?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean, it's it's This has been a very very
professionally run franchise the entirety of the time, with the
exception of the bearing years, and other than that, it
has been a very professional last fifty years of existence.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
All Right, speaking of professional the exact opposite will happen
next segment, whatever the hell that is. We're not going
to be professional, I promise you. Next ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 5 (01:58):
Mike Holmgren with all right, he's.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
A little bit under the weather, so he's staying home.
He's got a case of the sniffle. He's got a
case of the Thursdays and he's staying home. You know,
I'm just starting to think that Mike Holgan wants nothing
to do with us in person. Nothing like this is
like four weeks in a row. I mean, I don't
even know what the guy looks like.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
I wish I could be there, Yeah, I wish I
could be there.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I don't think that's true. I think if you really
wanted to be here, you were to try to find
a way to suck it up. And you get here, but.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
You're not well.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
I hate to bring this out, but you've been wrong before.
You've been wrong before, and now you're wrong.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
What if one of your players said, you know what,
I really wish I could make practice coach, but I
can't stop coffing. What would you say to him.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
I see, I'll see you on the field. I'll meet
you out there.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
Hey, by the way to me on the phone, that's
what you said to me on the phone. But I
just and I tried, but I don't want I'm thinking
of you guys. I don't want you guys to get
the sniffles or whatever.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
I have it's always an easy and I'm thinking of
you guys, I'm going to stay home when really you're
thinking about yourself and sitting on your butt at home. Man,
And I get it. I've been there before. But hey, Mike, Mike,
let me ask you a question. Do you and do
you and Andy Reid still share the same agent? You
guys have the same agent? By the way, yes, okay,
So what do you call the Mott? Call called Bob
and ask him. I saw a story on Twitter, and
(03:13):
I'm not convinced it's real, by the way at all, okay,
because I have not been able to see it or
confirm it with anybody else. Somebody's tweeting that Andy Reid
is about to sign a five year, one hundred million
dollar contract to remain is the coach of the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Can you call them, Mott and see if that's true?
Speaker 7 (03:30):
No, I already know it's true.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It is.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
What.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
Wow, that's been done? Holy, that's actually that's actually old news. Yeah.
I phoned him up when I read. When I found out,
I phoned Andy and I said, hey, congratulations, can I
borrow some money from you? Please?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Oh my god? One hundred million dollars for Andy Reid.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Holy Ken, it's a I think it's a long you
know the exact number, but it's in that range. But
it's a ten year deal, I think. Okay, you never
know that. You know, I don't know the fine print
in it, but it's a it's he's he's, he's he
can he can buy a lot of cheeseburgers with that.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Jesus Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The only place I see it is Times of India,
So it's Mike.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
That's where I saw it. The people, the only.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
People are reporting this. You are a you break stories.
You should be a reporter. Coach like Adam Schefter.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah, no, he I Bob represents so many guys now
in the league. You know, I was his first guy
who's lost my phone number, of course, but he has
he has shoots, sixteen coaches, general manager. He's got a
lot of guys in the league. Now.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Wow, I gotta be honest with you, Dick.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The reason why I thought it was fake is because
I saw it at the Times of India. Yeah, that's
why this guy's confirming it. Unbelievable. Well, good for him, man,
he just said no question about it. And you know,
before we talked some Seahawks Man, they lost to Buffalo
over the weekend, And I asked Harlan this yesterday, Mike,
when he was on the year with US. I guess
there's two ways you can go with the Chiefs. Either A,
(05:04):
they lost a game, we can stop all this seventeen
and oh stuff, if they were even remotely thinking about that,
maybe kicking one is a good thing for Kansas City.
Or man, you know what, they've been kind of hanging
on by a thread and they finally got caught by Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
What side do you kind of land down with that?
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Well, I think they're season that You're right about the
fact that they won games, but a lot of close games.
And I'll listen, I give Andy a lot of credit
for that. And they have the Mahomes who makes plays.
I mean, he wins games for you. He's special. But
then they have a good defense. But they they haven't
been the dominant team. I don't think even though they
(05:41):
were undefeated. I mean, it's kind of weird to say
they weren't dominant, but they they haven't been dominating games,
but they've been winning the close ones. And eck, just
look at the block field goal, you know that game
that they won. So but they'll be they'll be around
at the finish, they'll be one of the teams they're
fighting for the Super Bowl, no question, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
How many teams, coacher are on your Super Bowl Championship
list that if you shut your eyes, you can say
no surprise at all if this team wins the championship.
How deep is that list?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Well, it's changed, Dick this year. You know. I thought
I always sat San Francisco had the chance, and now
I'm not so sure. But I think Buffalo's up there.
Detroit and the way Philadelphia is playing right now, those
two teams in the NFC from our division, I'm not
quite sure any of the teams are ready for that
(06:36):
right now. But I think the two teams Denver, excuse me,
Philadelphia and Detroit and then and then Baltimore. I like Baltimore,
you know, but it'll be a fight. It'll be close
down to the end. I think.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah, Well, Mike Congred's with us, and we'll talk some
Seahawks in a minute. And I just saw a story,
by the way about the Hall of Fame that Robert
Kraft got denied by the Hall of Fame. Are you
in the same category as Robert Kraft the coach contributor category.
Is that one big thing?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
Now, No, they split it up this year. They they
they it was together, and then they this year they
have just a coach's group and then a contributor group.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
So one for me to think, right, because they they
actually voted on that a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I know you know that.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I know your daughters know that, and they're not going
to announce it for a couple of weeks. I don't
get that portion of it. I mean, what do they
just they want to prove they can sit on something
for two weeks and keep it.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
You sound like Kathy a little bad. He's driving her cuckoo?
You know shoes, Yeah, I go, it's it's listen, whatever happened?
You know, if you guys we talked about this before,
it'd be a wonderful thing. It really would be. And
and but heck, it's doesn't rule your life, you know,
it really doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, I how about this. I'll make you a deal.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
You can go into the Hall of Fame, but in
your speech you have to mention me, Dick and Jackson.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You agree to that.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Well, that's a guaranteed. That is guaranteed. And I went
into a fame in California last week and my high
school coach that started with me, and he was there
with his wife and Haskell was there. It was really
fun and I got to mention. You get a chance
to mention those guys, and they deserve it because the
(08:19):
assistant coach is looking I was. I get the name
and all that stuff, but my staff was awesome. They
really were.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Coach Earl Thomas's name in the news. He's made it
onto the list of twenty five semi finalists. Is he
a Hall of Famer eventually?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
A's question number one? And should he be a Hall
of Famer right away is question number two? If you
think you should be eventually.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
I'm not sure. I mean, I think he's you know,
he was really good for the Seahawks. But I look
at when I think of players going into Hall of Fame,
and this isn't probably how the committee looks like it,
but I look at who they were and what they did,
and and how they were, how they were teammates, and
(09:06):
and they didn't flip anybody off, and you know, with
all all those kind of things. So he was he's
a good enough player. I think he's I think he's
not going to go in the first first round. That
would surprise me. But I think eventually, yeah, people recognized
he was really a fine player.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yeah, Mike, how surprised were you speaking of surprise to
just simply put see the Seahawks go to San Francisco
and win on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Yeah, I was surprised a little bit. But then I
as you dig a little deeper into the forty nine
ers right now, they are they are really they've they've
lost too many good players and they lost uh so
most in the game. That was a change. As soon
as he went out, I said, Okay, this is this
is this is going to be different now. And then
(09:51):
you know, Deebo Samuel, it was like he wasn't. I
don't know where he went, you know, I don't. I
don't understand what they're doing right now. They don't seem
like same forty nine er team, but injuries have had
a lot to do with it. But having said that,
what a great win for the Seahawks. I mean they
went down there away game and you know, got it
down on that last drive.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Mike McDonald's come out this week and talked about the
added importance of this game. I mean, he has totally
gone one hundred and eighty degrees away from how Pete
Carroll handled games. I mean Pete Carroll was just like,
it's championship week every single week. Now, no game is
bigger than other. And Mike mcdonald'says, no, this game is
bigger based upon where we are in the standings and
(10:33):
that it's a division game. This game is bigger. Which
which route do you like to take?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
Oh? I like to take you No, I like to
emphasize big games. No, i''m with Mike McDonald on this.
And you know, look at we all know Pete and
he's going to say what he says, and he's that's
what he says. But down and deep in his heart
and his staff and his players, they knew when they
had a big game, a game that they had to
win to stay in contention or whatever. And certain games
(11:01):
are like that and this is one of them. You know,
they're the division this year is so close that you
probably are gonna hear him say that each week now.
And so maybe one game isn't any bigger than another,
but they must win games.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Mike.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
If you told me right now, we can fast forward
to I don't know, two and a half minutes to
go in the fourth quarter, Seahawks are down by three
points and they have the ball. I think I'd take it, honestly,
because Gino Smith and game winning drives in the fourth
quarter has been unbelievable. Nobody has more than him since
the start of the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Why is that? Why is he so good in that
type of situation?
Speaker 7 (11:41):
You know what, that's a tough one to answer, but
he has performed beautifully in that situation. So you know,
it's just I guess there's a certain calm maybe that
comes over him and he's done it before, and he goes, Okay,
I can do this again. I've done it many times before.
Let's just do it. And his teammates leave and in him,
and then you know, you couple like his runs. You
(12:05):
play a man under coverage where the like the forty
nine ers did a couple of times, and you got
a quarterback that can run. Russell Wilson did the same thing,
you know, in those situations and it's very very difficult
to stop. And he has that kind of ability as
a runner, right and he's you know, he's really a
beautiful thrower. I mean, he really is a good thrower.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Well, yeah, I mean my question would be, do you
just go more up tempo and look you I mean
you and I have talked about that before that it
kind of limits the playbook all that stuff, but just
you know, just playing free and just playing with you know,
faster pace. Is that something that if you're talking to
Ryan Grugg, you'd say, hey, maybe pull that card out
a little bit earlier in the game.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Yeah, you know, we have talked about that before, and
I think that's a good idea, I really do, you know,
because you know, you don't want to make mistakes, and
mistakes can come in that situation is not as controlled
by your coaches, mainly at the quarterback is andling things.
But he has shown the ability to do that, So
(13:06):
why not you know, you know, early on and then
if it's early in the game or in the middle
of the game and it's and it doesn't quite work
the way you want to, Okay, you tried, and you
and we'll keep working on it. But he has shown
the ability to do that, so I'd like to see
a little bit more of it, just like you would.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And he's he's been amazing at times, and then coach
he just does the inexplicable. I mean, he had another
inexplicable pick. He had a bunch of ars against the Rams.
I mean, is that is it too late to coach
that stuff out of him, like just the game crushing
double minus plays, Because if you could just take one
or two of those out a game for Gino Smith,
(13:46):
I mean, he'd vault from a mediocre quarterback into a
top ten quarterback in the league.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
I think, yeah, I don't think it's ever too late.
You know, that's what that's what you sit down and
talk to him about and listen with far as an example,
you know, we had that conversation. I had to have
that conversation with him because as talented as he was,
he would do things and then you just shake your
head right and then finally, finally, after pounding him enough,
(14:14):
you know, finally it got better. It got better. It
didn't happen as much. And so I don't think you
ever stop. You never stop coaching a quarterback that way,
particularly if you got a quarterback who believes in you
and listens to you. That's a big one. You know,
if you lose that, then it gets a little bit harder.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Well, Mike Comrigan's with us and Mike, I remember we
talked last week about the linebacker situation and whether or
not we would be kind of critical of John for
signing two guys that didn't make it to Thanksgiving or
give him some compliments for identifying a problem and correcting it.
And now we're seeing Tyree Knight, we're seeing Ernest Jones
obviously out there on Sunday versus San Francisco. Did you
(14:55):
see any obvious differences from the linebacker corps from this
last week to a couple of weeks ago that shows
that they've definitely improved in that category.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
I did, In fact, I made a little note Ernest Jones.
I think he's really good. I don't know. I don't
know how we got a hold of him, you know,
because he I thought in that game he really performed well.
And that's the type of leader you need right in
the middle, you know, the Bobby Wagners, the kJ Wrights,
those guys. You need him in there. And if he
continues playing, I read where he wants to stay here
(15:26):
and I wants to sign a new contract. He's playing
for one and he you know, he's he really played
well against the forty nine ers against Christian McCaffrey, and
they needed him in there. So I saw a big jump. Yes,
they did.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Coach, the Hawks are dealing with power out.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's like, you know, thousands, hundred thousands of people in
the in the Northwest the last couple of days. Have
you ever had to deal with something like that? Just
that totally knocked your practice week off kilter.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I can't think of one like that, Dick, I really
can't it. Uh. You know, in Green Bay, you get weather,
and then they built the new you know, and then
I told you the story that you know Forrest, Greg
and those guys, they go out and practice and in
unbelievable weather. You can die in the weather. And then
and then I said, we're not doing that. We're going inside.
(16:17):
We'll die on Sunday if we have to, you know.
So that was you know, that's the that's the main
thing we had I have had to deal with. Uh,
I think during during when I was coaching, but nothing
like nothing like the blackout my goodness. Nor Hey, by
the way, did you guys get hit with a blackout?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I didn't, but I got I got hit with a blackout.
And a Tree coach.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Oh, she was, yeah, yeah, we came back, we went up.
We just got the bar power on just a little
while ago. That's why I can use it. I can
talk to you guys here at home. Otherwise they're gonna
have to drive out in my car.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I just texted Curtis Crabtree and he said the power
is still out of the vMac as if this very second.
By the way, but hey, Mike, one more before you go.
We'll let you go rest up, have some can soup,
get a nap. All that stuff you heard about Daniel Jones,
that the the Giants are benching Daniel Jones and they're
going to Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
They're bypassing Drew Locke and going right to the Vito.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Did you guys hear what Daniel Jones was doing in
practice today, by the way, with the Giants scout team.
He's playing safety on the scout team.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Safety.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Yes, they took one hundred and sixty million dollar quarterback,
what who? And they put him at safety on the
scout team. Now this is correct because everybody's reporting this.
I also saw a report from somebody who said that
Daniel Jones may just leave the team. After Thanksgiving because
he's just done. Can you ever imagine doing that to somebody.
(17:41):
I mean, look, whether he's worth the money or not,
whether he's performed or not, you're taking your starting quarterback
one week, and you're making him a scout team safety
the next week after benching him.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
No, you're you're no, why you Amelia? No? No? You
know what? I get a player as an example. You
et a player and and okay, he doesn't live up
to expectation, but you still love the guy. I mean,
you've seen how he works and you like him, and Okay,
it's not working, so you find some other solution. I
(18:12):
think with the contracts the way they are now, that
there's so much money involved, that what they were worried about.
And they did the same thing with Russell Wilson him
there's an injury clause. He got hurt, then he'd get
this contract, but he'd get the guaranteed money the next year,
and they don't want that to happen. So I don't
even know why they're having him play safety, because if
(18:33):
he plays safety, all of a sudden he pulled the
amstring or you know, doing some stupid But no, that's
to me that's disrespectful. I don't care. I don't care
how the kid has played for you. That's that you
don't treat the athlete that way. I don't think you.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Yeah, The Athletic reported, but Jones was seen wearing a
red Scout team jersey as a safety during portions of
the team practice today in New Jersey. Man, unbelievable. All right, hey, Mike,
go get better. Take next Thursday off?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Is this Thanksgiving? All right?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Yeah, you can take Thursday off. We might call you
for a little hit on Wednesday, though, so be ready for.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
That, right, all right, I'm ready, all right, go.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Get it, man. Mike Obrin with us on the radio show.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Can you believe that I thought that story was bogus
when I saw it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's like something out of the Onion?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Because Old's right. I mean, okay, yeah, they're probably not.
The safety's probably not laying hits in the practice.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But at what point do you get so pissed with
the team that you're just like, oh, you just like
crumple with an injury.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You just I'm gonna go purposely like tear my ankle
up on the field and just be like screw you guys.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Man, here's my injury. Pay me the rest of my money.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I Had's embarrassing for the Giants. Totally embarrassing for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
And this is, by the way, this just leads to
me at least further credence to the idea that the
Giants skipped over Drew Lock because they didn't want to
pay him a million bucks or whatever the incentives were.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
This is how stupid they are.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
They take Daniel Jones and put them at Scout Team
Safety and they won't pay a guy a million bucks,
so they go right to number three.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
It makes you kind of appreciate a little bit.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I know that, you know, Jodie's not Paul, and they
haven't had that kind of success yet, but can you
ever imagine that happening here in Seattle ever?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean, it's it's This has been a very very
professionally run franchise the entirety of the time, with the
exception of the bearing years, and other than that, it
has been a very professional last fifty years of existence.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
All Right, speaking of professional the exact opposite will happen
next segment, whatever the hell that is. We're not going
to be professional, I promise you. Next ninety three three KJRFM.
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