June 3, 2025 • 45 mins
Tonight on Sounders Weekly, Jackson Felts dives deep into the Club World Cup pay situation, including audio from Cristian Roldan and Stefan Frei, then talks to Ari Liljenwall and Jake Zivin about the loss to Minnesota last weekend and the Vancouver match coming up this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coming to you live from our Elliot Avenue studios of
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. This is Sounders
Weekly with your host Jackson Felds.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good evening, everybody, Welcome into Sounders Weekly. Jackson felt here
for the next hour talking all things Seattle Sounders FC.
And when I say all things, I mean all things.
There is a lot more than just soccer action to
talk about with Sounders Soccer here tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It will be a busy show.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We will take a couple minutes, we will go over
the last result and then for the probably the next
about twenty minutes after that, we were going to be
talking about probably the biggest story in Sounderland, one of
the biggest off field stories to hit the Sounders in
a very long time, and that is the pay situation
about the Club World Cup. We'll get into that. You're
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going to hear from Christian rolled On and Stephen Frye
after the game on Saturday see me Sunday. They played
Minnesota on Sunday at Luminfeat lost three to two. Again,
we'll get into that. In a moment after the game,
Stephen fry and Christian rold On were standing in a
group and behind them was pretty much the entire team
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of Sounders players minus just a couple, but pretty much
the entire team stood behind them. As the players talked
about the pay issues regarding the Club World Cup that
starts now in just about a week and a half.
You're going to hear from both of them, and we
are going to be talking about that issue in a
matter of moments later On tonight, Ari Lillionwall major League
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Soccer dot Com in the podcast Lobbin Scorches, he will
share his thoughts on the pay situation with the Club
World Cup. We'll also, of course get his sense on
the Sounders lost to Minnesota the week. Overall, they got
a one nothing went over Dallas, a one nothing went
over San Diego, but then wrapped a week with the
three to two loss. We'll look also at Vancouver ahead
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coming up on Sunday evening. On Sunday evening, the Sounders
will be in Vancouver to face the white Caps. We're
all gonna be up there at BC Place. It's gonna
be a funnel broadcast Providence, Swedish premat show. We will
begin at five thirty. Kickoff will be at six o'clock
and that will be right here on Sports Radio ninety
three point three kjr FM. I'll let folks know you
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can also watch the match via MLS Season Pass on
the Apple TV app and listen in l Ray thirteen
sixty for Spanish. But again our Providence Swedish prematch show.
We'll start at five thirty right here ninety three point
three kjr FM, and Saturday's match is presented by the
Western Washington Toyota Dealers, So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Match with Ari.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We'll also talk about that match and overall Vancouver thoughts
with Jake Zivin, our good friend from MLS Season Pass
Apple TV. He was on the play by play call
with Taylor twelve minute. It was great to see both
of them up in the booth on Sunday at lumin Field,
and we'll talk to him about the Sounders game Vancouver
next and everything he's seen from Vancouver. Plus of course
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what we are going to be spending a lot of
time on today, which is the Club World Cup pay situation.
But let's quickly start with thoughts on that three to
two loss to Minnesota. Overall, it is, you know, the
the eight minutes from hell that costs the team, where
Minnesota scores three goals between the fifty first and fifty
eighth minutes, and ultimately you're talking about a very very
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good play I think by Minnesota for the first goal,
a penalty that can go back and forth.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think for the second goal.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean it was in the booth and I was
watching the game with the guys who were doing a
pregame halftime in post game with me and Callan Row
and Pete Fewing, and Fewing didn't think it was a
penalty Callan Row did think it was a penalty. The
thing for me in those situations is when you have
a divided crew like that, you gotta stick with the
call on the field. And they called penalty right away,
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so they stuck with it. But you know, it's one
of those things I always come back to this, and
that's if it's a foul anywhere on the field at
any time, then it's a foul in the box at
that And I think if John Bell runs into a
guy in that positioning at any other point in the field,
if it's outside the box, that's a foul. So thus
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it's a foul in the box and it's a penalty.
But again I can see it from both sides, just
like the way that Pete saw it. He didn't think
it was a penalty, but ultimately that goes in that
made it to nothing. Kolani Cozerienzi gets one back. Great goal,
great build up. It was our play of the match,
deservedly so. But then Minnesota score the third quickly after
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to make it three to one. That was a play,
you know, shot outside the box. We talked about this
in the postgame show. Stephen Fry should have corraled it.
He should have gotten both hands and held it into
his chest, but he kind of pushes it out towards
John Bell, and in pushing it out, it gave you know, Oluahae,
the Minnesota forward, just the second he needed to step
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in front of Jonathan Bell and pulk it into the
back of the net. So, you know, I think ultimately,
you talk about the failure to close down, was it
prayer the guy who picked the long distance shot. He
was able to get that long distance shot off. You
put it on Stephan Fry for not corraling it, and
you put it on Jonathan Bell for not closing down
Aluis Shae, and ultimately all three failures lead to Minnesota's
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third goal, We get an own goal back late, but
couldn't claw back enough and ultimately fall three to two.
So that's how the Sounders lose and end their week.
But again it was, you know, I said this on
the postgame show as well, it was a six point week.
And this comes off the heels of another three game
in eight day stretch where they were all on the road.
So let's add these together. This was six games in
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a two you know, three week stretch where we saw
three in eight and then three and nine, all on
the road and then all at home. We get ten
points total from those six games, and if you extrapolate
that out over the course of a you know, entire
threety four game season, that's fifty seven points. If you're
coming to me in the month of February and telling
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me the Sounders are going to get fifty seven points
this year, I am signing up for that every day,
all day for the entire year. So ultimately six games
we get ten points. Let's rock and roll and move
forward to Vancouver. This coming Sunday, we'll talk about Vancouver
white Caps who have lost Conker CAF Champions Cup, and boy,
they got absolutely destroyed by cruz Azuelan Champions Cup five
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nothing was that final, just like the UEFA Champions League
Final five nothing Vancouver. They're gonna be a little distraught
coming off that loss. We'll talk about that later on tonight,
but let's begin tonight in full by talking about the
situation that is probably taking over almost everybody's social media
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and discussion points, and that is the Club World Cup
pay situation. And I think it's fair before we hear
from Stephen Fry and Christian rold On to outline exactly
what's going on right now. So what happens when there
is an outside of league tournament is players are given
a cut of money, and what the current collective bargaining
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agreement that the players agreed to back in twenty twenty one,
and that's important, twenty twenty one before the Club World
Cup existed the way it is right now, this whole
new tournament that we're about to start in a week
and a half, where the Sounders are facing three tremendous teams.
You have Botafogo, you have Ethletico Madrid, and you have
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the new YUEFA Champions League winners, the best team on
planet Earth PSG coming into your house Sounders will play
each of them here over the next you know what,
three four weeks in these new you know, revamped tournament,
thirty two teams in the Club World Cup. So this
twenty twenty one collective Bargaining agreement the CBA was done
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in twenty one before this kind of even existed, But
that collective bargaining agreement said that the players for outside
tournaments can collectively be given a million dollars. So what
happens is the Sounders as a whole from FIFA are
given nine point five to five million from participating in
the Club World Cup. Now they can earn an additional
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seven plus million if they actually get out of the
Group of death. But it is the group of death
and it will be way more than a challenge. It
would be almost an impossibility to get out of this group,
and you never say never, but still, but that would
We'll give them an extra seven plus million dollars. But ultimately,
just for making the tournament, it's nine point five to
five million dollars from FIFA.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Per the twenty twenty one CBA.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
The Sounders players can get a million of that, So
that million then gets distributed amongst the what it's twenty
seven I believe players on the Sounders first team roster.
You break that out, it comes around to about thirty
seven thousand dollars thirty seven thousand dollars for each player
for the three games. Now, the interesting thing here comes
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when you do the math, because ultimately you break that down,
it's obviously just over twelve thousand dollars per game for
each player. But when you dig that a little bit,
and obviously, you know, for me, I'm hearing those numbers
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, please, thank you. But when
you actually look deeper into that numbers of what they
compare to, that's where things get interesting. So let's just
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take a random Sounder player. And obviously there's players who
make you know, eighty thousand dollars and there's players who
make you know, over a million dollars. So there's such
a wide, wide gap. Let's just take say Danny Mazovski.
He is a backup player on the team who gets
starts when other guys are injured. He's obviously done very
well this season, and Danny Mazowski's on a contract of
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I believe, right around four hundred thousand dollars. That's just
according to the MLSPA the released numbers last year. So
let's just take Danny Mazowski's four hundred thousand dollars contract
for an MLS season. Let's divide that by the thirty
four regular season league games that Masovski would play. That
breaks down to eleven thousand, seven hundred and sixty four
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dollars from a four one hundred thousand dollar deal. That
doesn't have to be Danny Mozoski. It could be anybody else,
you know. Frankly, there's there's other guys who make five
hundred and fifty, so you could do the numbers there.
I mean, if you want to just put it in
the calculator, a five hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract
that the Sounders have that breaks down to just over
sixteen thousand dollars per match, So quite different. But there's
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players each way. I mean, you know, guys who obviously
make you know, one hundred thousand. That per game number,
you know is far different. But ultimately, let's just take
a median player. Let's just take Danny Muzoski with his
four hundred thousand dollars deal, and I said he makes
just under twelve thousand well, going back to it, a
Club World Cup game pays out just over twelve thousand, roughly,
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let's just kind of be real here and say that
they're around the same number. And obviously the players are
mad because they're saying, we are playing PSG, Athletico Madrid,
Bodha Fogo, three of the biggest clubs on their con nce.
You could argue that PSG is obviously now the greatest
team on planet Earth, Madrid one of, if not the
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biggest teams, greatest teams in Spain, and then Bodha Fogo
one of the, if not the biggest team in South America.
The sounders are saying, we have to play these teams,
We have to play these behemoths, and the payout to
us for playing this game is the same amount as
the payout to I don't know, Wednesday's game against San Diego,
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you know, or just any random weeknight MLS game where
you divide their contract across the thirty four games. Yes,
you can see it from the player's side, the frustration
of saying we should be paid a lot more for
facing these epic games with huge audiences and driving the
you know, the ratings, and building soccer in the country
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and everything that goes into playing in the glob World Cup,
being on this stage, and just the fact that we
got here, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The arguments go on and
on and on. You're gonna hear a couple from stuff
from Frying Krishnolandan in a minute. You can hear and
you can understand their frustration given that for a player
making four hundred thousand dollars like Danny Mazovski, the payout
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is roughly the same as any random MLS game. To
play a club World Cup game against one of these behemoths, yeah,
I mean listen as.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Just a talk show host. That doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But at the same time, it's written into the CBA
from twenty twenty one that for outside league tournaments it's
capped at a million dollars. And I'm gonna go back
to that word captain a minute. So it's capped at
a million dollars, which means each player capped at about thirty
seven thousand dollars, which means in a world where the
Sounders were to advance somehow out of this group of death,
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that thirty seven thousand dollars they will make here for
the Club World Cup, that cap stays at thirty seven.
They would not make any more money if they advanced
to the next round of the Club World Cup. The
Sounders would get, you know, the seven plus million dollars
that FIFA would hand out for making the next round,
but the players wouldn't get anymore because of their CBA
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that they agreed to. The Players Association agreed to it,
and the Plays Association had a statement that they put out.
This is all root because the Sounders had T shirts
before the game against Minnesota, and the t shirts said
club World cash grab with a monopoly man who had
the logos of MLS and FIFA or seeing me the
words MLS and FIFA on that monopoly man. So club
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World cash grab is what the players made that statement
pregame and then postgame they all stood in cameras and
spoke for twenty minutes about this issue, about the issue
of trying to get more money for being on the
world stage, for playing in this massive Club World Cup tournament.
That is their gripe. It's in the CBA regarding outside tournaments,
but there's no specific language about the Club World Cup,
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the biggest club tournament that exists as the CBA was
agreed to again in twenty two twenty one. You can
see it from both sides. You can see the owner's
side of saying this was in the CBA. You can
see it from the player side. Yeah, but this is
a much larger tournament. There isn't specific riding for it,
and we deserve to make more money than in the
case of Danny Mazowski, a random Wednesday game across the
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MLS schedule. It's very interesting how this all breaks down.
It will be very interesting to see the discussions that
happen over the next week and a half, because, yeah,
the Boata Foco game, it's next Sunday, It's a week
from this Sunday. And ultimately, I don't know what the
ultimatum is. I'm not sure you know what the players
are saying, you will do X if we I don't
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really have a lot of legal standing seeing is how
it's written into the CBA for outside league tournaments, and
you know, this Club World Cup is an outside league tournament.
So yeah, it's easy to see it both ways. But
you know, I think a lot of fans are going
to probably side with the players, and I've seen it
already on social media saying you know, well, you know
players will stand with you, but it's it's a harder
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thing to essentially say, you know, okay, well what does
that actually mean? You know, it's thirty seven thousand dollars
for each player for this tournament. But you know, you
can you can understand the anger for some guys who
are saying we should be making a lot more. Let's
hear from a couple of those guys once again. So
they wore the shirts pregame, postgame, the entire team, led
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by Stephan Fry and Christian Rodan stood together for a
press conference for almost twenty minutes. You're not going to
hear nearly all twenty minutes. It's on my YouTube page.
I posted it to my social accounts at Jackson on
Radio on both Blue Sky and on Twitter at Jackson
on Radio if you want to watch the full YouTube
twenty minute video of them talking about this, but here
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is a portion of Christian Roldan and Stephan Fry talking
about the pay issues and what they are facing here
with the Club World Cup starting in less than two weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Always our global coal turn this lesson about two weeks away.
We have no idea what's going on in terms of
the distribution of funds for tournament of this size. We've
made numerous attempts to try to get to the table
and actually talk and figure things out. It's a shame
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that we're two weeks away. We have absolutely no clue.
We've I said, We've tried to. We've even put a
letter together. All the players that are involved on multiple
teams signed it in private, trying to you know, force
them or encourage them to try to talk to us
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so we can figure things out, because we want to
put this a bet a long time ago, so if
you focus on things, and unfortunately hadn't happened yet, and
like I said, with less than over two weeks away
from this, and we felt it was important that we
somehow get a message out that hopefully we could finally
talk in pretty exile.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
The reality is that this is a huge distraction for us,
right we have known about the prize money for a
long time now, and we have gotten to this point
where we're two weeks away from the tournament and not
knowing where we're at, not even essentially getting a responsive
So while it is frustrating that we didn't get a result,
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it is a huge distructure for us.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
What is Adrian if you had any conversations and what
is he said, maybe even personally specifically to you. Well,
that's that's kind of the issues that we've we've been
trying to engage and nobody seems to want to talk
to us. You know, we've we've been getting from the league,
we've been getting through the union promises that something's come
and something's coming, and next thing you know, it's twenty
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something days and nothing has come. And now we're less
than twenty days from the tournament, fourteen days away from
the tournament. So at some point we wanted to talk
a long time, and like I said, we tried avenues
that were private, respectful, because I think what we're wrestling
for is something that's fair. I'm not asking to make
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more than that than then. What I think is is uh,
FIFA thought was what would be fair for players again,
and FIFA may may have made a point that they
wanted to make sure this tournament would be treated with
the almost respect by teams by their players, and that
they would come here and not treat this as a
preseason tournament for teams that have just finished their league.
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And they've already established a free system as well, and
you know we we agree with that fear system as well.
I think party such as a bigger team than we are,
we're well aware of that. We're realistic about those things.
But if the world is getting a certain percentage we're
being here and participating on the stage, then I think
it's just that we get that as well. Just to
get the negotiations would be nice to talk, but we
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haven't gotten. Do you feel comfortable in saying what what
the players are looking for?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Is it just you're trying to start the conversation and
dive into one of the demands we have.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Guns No, I mean honestly that when when this tournament
was announced and surprise minimals yet to be determined, which
is let's go back what a year and change will go.
I think if if there would have been a letter
to be signed that we get the same thing as
in terms of presentation that other teams get and it's fair,
we would have signed it, but not knowing exactly what
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that means, because it just means it's fair. But no,
we have we have no idea. Have you been talking
to the player problem mean to Miami and d LFC
about the next times coordinating the reapon.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, we've been in zoom calls again, these are these
are distractions, right, we should be having to have these
conversations two weeks away, but we've had these zoom calls
with UH with inter Miami.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Now ALIAS is kind of in the picture. We have
been talking to them just a bit.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
The reality is the next step is engaging with the league,
all right, and so we're obviously united in that front,
and that's essentially the next step for us with.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Your current agreement. You're born as cap at the current
life also, that would be part of the odes question.
Fl is so correct.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, we're capped. We already hit the camp and so
as you can tell, that's frustrating, right, Like that's we're
capped from.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
The very beginning. And what are the incentives that right?
I mean again, we're talking about an added tournament and
under the court we're added an added tournament that for
for players that might need another contract down the road,
their add is added risk as well. Right, And when
you're talking about let's you win this tournament, you could
be making one hundred and twenty million dollars if we
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were so lucky that an MLS side wins this tournament.
Let's just remove the fact that's probably not going to happen,
the fact that the players are capped at one million
since ludicrous.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's good stuff there from Christian rolled On and Stephen Fry,
who again spoke in front of the lockers with the
almost the entire team for nearly twenty minutes after the
loss on Sunday to Minnesota. As they talked about these issues,
they wore the t shirts pregame that said Club World
Cash Grab. We went over the numbers a few minutes
ago and talking about kind of the price that breaks
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down to essentially just over twelve thousand a game, and
for you know, a random like Danny Mazoski, it's roughly
the same amount as he makes for an MLS game. So,
you know, just taking a middle player like that, it's
easy to see why the anger is there and the
frustrations there that we are not making more money from
a massive global tournament like the Club World Cup. Again,
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as I said a few minutes ago before we played
the audio, I'm very interested to see what happens. We
are just a week and a half away from this
thing starting next Sunday against Botafogo at Lumenfield. So yeah,
it's gonna be interesting to see for sure. All Right,
we'll get a break. I'm gonna get Ari Lillianwall's two
cents on this subject. We'll also talk to him about
the Minnesota game Vancouver ahead. Jake Zivin also later on
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here in Sounders Weekly to talk about all of that
and more. Busy night here on Sounders Weekly. We'll continue
next on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Now back to Sounders Weekly on your home for sunders FC,
Seattle's Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FM.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Welcome back to Sounders Weekly, Jackson Feltzer, thank you for
joining us here on this special Tuesday night show. We're
back to Wednesday next week, but we have the Stanley
Cup Final Game one tomorrow night on ninety three point
three KJAR. I believe it's gonna be a five pm
start there for the Stanley Cup Finals Game one there
again Edmonton, Florida. So thus our show goes to Tuesday
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this week, and we're talking all things at Seattle Sounders Soccer.
We talked about the Minnesota loss. We talked a lot
about that club World Cup pay situation. You heard from
Christian road On and Stephan Frye, and we're gonna get
the two cents from our next guest joining us now
from Major League Soccer dot Com and the podcast Lobbing Scorches.
You can listen to Lobbing Scorches wherever you get your podcasts,
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including the iHeartRadio app. Also subscribe to the Lobbing Scorches
on YouTube. They have Monday morning shows Thursday night night shows.
Ari lillianwall is the host of that and joins us
right here on Sounders Weekly. Ari, how you doing, my friend.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Jackson, how are you? I'm all right, man.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It's quite a show and it's quite a topic that
we have to discuss with this club World Cup pay situation.
As we were kind of texting but before your visit, yeah,
things could be getting ugly. But let's talk about that
in a minute. Let's just quickly start as we always do,
by getting your two cents on the actual game before
we go off the field. Sounders ending their three game week.
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They got wins over Dallas in San Diego and then
they wrap it with a three to two loss to
Minnesota on Sunday at lumin field. Let's talk about Sunday's game,
because it was really kind of that eight minutes from
Hell where they give up three goals.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
What specifically did you see.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
As a part of that game more than just that
eight minutes of why they lost?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah, I was pretty impressed with Minnesota. They employed some
unique tactics with their style that needs so much possession,
and I think everyone knew how they were going to
play going into the game, and it felt like they
executed their game plan perfectly and Seattle just didn't deal
with it very well. And I think if there's a concern,
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it would be the defensive lapses. You never want to
concede three at home, especially in quick succession like that.
But I did think there was some good stuff in
the attack. They do get two goals. I liked the
assists that Pedro de la Vega got to KKR, So
there are some good stuff on offense, But it just
it felt like the defense is what did them in
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this game. And so I guess hopefully as they get healthier,
you get ya I'mar back. Hopefully kim Key he back
at some point soon here, and you get your first
choice personnel back there, and hopefully that will shore it
up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, we hope those guys return for the Club World Cup. Ari,
Lillian was our guest, and you know, I think that
we can both see the thirty three year old Eric
Ramsey is doing an amazing job as head coachman. And yeah,
that systems for sure working. I wouldn't be surprised if
you fast forward October and they are squarely in the
discussion for a top three or top four seed in
the Western Conference. They are a very very good soccer team.
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I mentioned the Club World Cup there. Ari, Let's get
into the meat and potatoes of our chat today and
the meat and potatoes of the entire Sounders Weekly show today.
So pregame players wear the shirts that say Club World
Cash Grab your partner Noah on lobbing Scorcher has got
a great picture that went viral with that shirt saying
Club World cash Grab. Then postgame, Stephen Fry and Christian
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Roldan lead a group of almost the entire Sounders team
speaking for almost twenty minutes in front of lockers and
a press conference talking about the pay issues with the
Club World Cup on the league scale of things, just
the national scale. Because I know you're in those conversations
with a lot of people on that national level. How
big of a story is this right now? How big
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of a story could this become over the next weekend
and a half as we approach the start of this
tournament for the Sounders.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a huge story. This story
has been ongoing. Jada Evans reported on it in the
Seattle Times as well, and it's going to be interesting
to see how it plays out. Jackson, I mean, I
think the players have a valid point in that what
is effectively a ninety ten split and this one million
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dollar cap for a tournament with this much prize money.
It doesn't surprise me. It doesn't It shouldn't shock anybody
that they have an issue with that. But then the
flip side of it is that you have what is
pretty clear in the CBA as a one million dollar
cap regardless of the tournament. Seemingly so, it's a it's
a situation that seems to be at an impass. The
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players have been pretty vocal that their primary concern is
just the fact that there's been no dialogue in that
they want to expedite the process of negotiating something that
they think is more fair. But what I'm interested to see.
You do have two other MLS clubs in the Club
World Cup in inner Miami and LAFC just qualifying after
beating Club America in that one game playing. I mean,
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if there's any coordinated demonstrations or anything from from all
three of the teams, and then especially with a team
that it's including Leonel Messi, who has it seems ultimate
sway over a lot of things, that's when things I
think get even more interesting. So this this next week
or two, Jackson is gonna be h. I mean, I
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got my popcorn out.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, that's well put the whole situation because you break
it down to that one million dollars the cap for
all MLS players, and for a team that has twenty
seven players on their first team roster, it essentially breaks
down to thirty seven thousand dollars per player. And for
the Sounders, I mean, you're unlikely to get out of
the group, so it's three games, it breaks down to
about twelve thousand dollars. If you're Miami or LAFC, who
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have easier groups, and it is possible that they actually
get out of the groups, the cap at you know,
a million dollars for the whole group, a cap at
thirty seven thousand dollars for each player that stays capped,
and you I mean, I thought I read something that
you know, LAFC was going to do something about this,
or Miami was going to do something about this, sort
of like the T shirts. But I think I think
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that coordinated effort. Specifically, probably Ari, I'm guessing this weekend,
I mean, this is where you want to have the
popcorn ready for Saturday and Sunday to see I'm not
sure when LAFC and Miami play their respective games, but
that's when you probably want to have the popcorn out
to see what those players do on Saturday. And then
(28:38):
maybe he didn't seeing what the Sounders you know, do
in Vancouver on Sunday. But ultimately, this weekend is where
the popcorn moment may happen.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, exactly, and it'll be interesting to see what exactly
they do, if if inner Miami specifically, That's what I'm
looking at because Messi, Yeah, Lionel Messi has the ultimate
leverage for everything, it seems like, based on my observations
as an outsider, So I don't know they're they're gonna
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have to come to some sort of resolution before the tournament.
And to me, it really feels like this is a
situation where you would hope that some sort of common
sense would prevail and that you know, everyone can recognize
that this tournament like this, with this much prize money
wasn't anticipated when that CBA was negotiated, right, and that
perhaps you need to make an amendment or accommodation for
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the fact that we're talking about much more money than
any tournament that any MLS club has ever played for
or they thought that they were gonna play for. But
common sense usually does not prevail in situations like this,
So I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't know what the outcome is gonna be.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
So it's gonna be very interesting to find out.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Just have MESSI called Papa Garber and say, don we
need you know, just go from what one million to
two million for these three clubs, and you know it's
it's a million less obviously from the nine point five
to five that each team's getting, you know, by going
into the tournament. But I don't know, I'm just throwing
out something out but like ultimately, yeah, you wonder what's
gonna happen in the next ten days before this thing
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kicks off, because who knows, it's gonna be a wild
next week and a half to see the conversations and
and what develops. Ari lillion Wall is our guest. Major
League Soccer dot Com also hosts the podcast Lobbing Scorches.
Make sure to subscribe to Lobbing Scorches on YouTube. Ari,
we have a new CONCACAFF Champions Cup winner. It is
not the Vancouver why Caps they got slacked. It's the
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Sounders next opponent, they got destroyed five nothing down in
Mexico City to cruise Azul. They are the new CONCA
CAF winners. And I kind of look at this Sunday's game, Ari,
Not only is it gonna be a team that's hung
over from just getting their asses handed to them five
nothing down in Mexico, it's a team who has just
had to travel a bunch, and it's a team that's
missing nine players due to inner national duty. This is
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a Vancouver white Caps team already that, like, I don't
know if if they're gonna show up the BC plays,
they might want to just you know, show up and
kick the ball around and get the hell out of
there and go home and rest some more. But my goodness,
the team that the Sounders are facing this weekend up
in Vancouver is not gonna be the same white Caps
we've seen from this season.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
No, And this this situation can go one of two ways.
Sometimes you have a team that takes a tough defeat
like that and they channel it as motivation fuel to
the fire, and they come out they come out angry
and playing upset in the next game and they can
actually channel it into something positive. So maybe the white
Caps are able to do that even with all the
international absences that you mentioned. But it just feels like
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that loss was so demoralizing in just a way that
I'm frankly still pretty surprised that it went that far
off the rails for them. I've been pretty consistent on
record that I feel like Vancouver has had one of
the most impressive runs this season of any MLS club
that I've ever seen, not just in their path in
Conker Cap Champions Cup, but how they also managed to
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play it at two point two to two point three
points per game pace in league play, not easy to do,
and it was still a great run. But to have
a great run like that and then have it end
like that where you're just abjectively non competitive in the game.
It's going to be interesting to see if they can
maintain their high flying pace that they had going in
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league play after such a devastating defeat and what they're
going through in this specific game with not having all
their personnel there too. That just kind of adds to
the adversity. So it's definitely a situation where it's a
it feels a lot more a result, feels a lot
more attainable in this game for Seattle than it might
have a few weeks ago when the white Caps looked
like the best MLS team.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, exactly, they were flying, and I think you nailed
it with the start of your answer. They were saying,
it can go one of two ways because and it's
it's a question, but now it's a question you can answer,
nobody can answer of just you know, when they get
all the players back after the international wind, when they
you know, fully kind of get going back in June
with their whole squad, is it a team that it's
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sort of just like, you know, playing defeated because of
what happened in the CONCACAF final, or is it a
team that just you know, fights back and says, we're
going to show everybody that we are not who they
saw us in that final and we are a better
team than that. And you know, nobody's gonna have that
answer until probably, you know, the end of June, and
we're a few matches in seeing how the Vancouver white
Caps react to that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Just massive defeat.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Crazy by the way, how both Champions League finals in
CONCACAF and UEFA both ended five to nothing. And you know, now, Ari,
we have the best team on planet freaking Earth coming here.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
In just a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's wild situations across champions leagues.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Yeah, no, exactly, the Sounders saying the UEFA Champions League
winners in a couple of weeks that would be a
big enough story, But then you have everything that we
talked about.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
On top of that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right, well, we'll see what happens this coming Sunday
night up at BC Place.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Are you making the dry up to b C on Sunday?
I will be there.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, nice, I'll see you there. We'll all be there.
It'll be a fun time. Maybe I'll even rope you
into doing a segment on the pregame show. We'll see
how that plays out. All right, buddy, safe travels up there.
We'll see you at BC Place and have a good
rest of your week. My friend, that was good, Thanks Jacky.
Good stuff there from Ari Lillienwall. Yeah, that's good to
know that. He'll be there on Sunday at BC Place.
I'm already scheduled to have Michael McCall of AFTN Canada.
(34:26):
He's going to be on the pre match show as well,
so let's make it a party. Let's have Ari and
Michael on together. It'll be the old Radio Cascadia days
all over again. So look forward to that on the
pregame show.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's again.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's gonna be at five thirty pm right here ninety
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Speaker 3 (34:50):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
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Speaker 3 (35:02):
All right, we'll take a break.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
We'll come back and talk to Jake zivin MLS Season
Pass on Apple TV Broadcaster. He will talk to us
about the national perspective on this Club World Cup situation,
his two cents on it as a national broadcaster. We'll
talk to him about the game he called Sounders losing
to Minnesota and Vancouver still a lot to get to here.
It's a busy day on Sounders Weekly Sports Radio ninety
(35:25):
three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Now back to Sounders Weekly on your home for Sounders
FC cel's Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FM.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Welcome back to Sounders Weekly, Jackson Feltzer. Good to have
you with us here on this Tuesday night edition here
at Sounders Weekly, talking about the lost of Minnesota, talking
about the Club World Cup pay situation, and talking about
Vancouver ahead. I'll mention that Sounders FC Soccer is presented
by Providence Swedish, the official healthcare partner of Sounders FC.
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Here to talk about all of that and more is
our good friend, the former voice of the Pearland Timbers.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
But we don't hold that against him.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He's now a big time MLS season pass on Apple
TV broadcaster. He called Sounders Minnesota last weekend. Jake Zivin
back here on Sounders Weekly. Jake, good to have you
back on, my friend.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
How are you just straight in? Just introduce me that
way every time? Dat but never never, don't do that again.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
We don't have it against you.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Thank you for not
holding it again.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
For all the fine people in Seattle, it was lovely
to be at Luminfield again on Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It was lovely to see you, my friend. Let's just
quickly get We have a lot to discuss here in
the next few minutes. Let's quickly start with your two
cents on what you and Taylor Tweman called that three
two loss for the Sounders to Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Yeah, second half was fun.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
First half was less so.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Just from a neutral standpoint calling the game, Minnesota are very.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Good at what they do.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
They have a very distinct and defined style of play.
It is difficult to play against. If they get the
first goal, it's gonna be even harder to play against.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Sounders saw that.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
They picked their their moments. They defend, they defend, and
then they go uh and it worked very hard to
break down Sounders. You know are gonna have to figure
that out, how to break down the team that sits back.
They I don't think they did that great, particularly in
the first half, right, trying to figure out a way
through it's hard. It's hard a lot not many teams
have figured that out against against Minnesota. So yeah, I
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think Minnesota played well. They did what they want, what
they came for. They stuck to their kind of style
of play and it worked a lot of interesting moments
in that game, right, I think Anthony Marchanick should have
been shown a second yellow card, yes, thirty seconds after
his first.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I don't think maybe Danny Mussoski got away with just a.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Yellow on that that instant in front of goal with
with the elbow into the chest of I forget which
which Minnesota defender it was, so maybe fair play on
both sides there. But it really again, really entertaining second
half and all in all was a fun afternoon thrust.
From a neutral standpoint.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I was reading that it's only the ninth time in
Major League Soccer history that four goals have been scored
in an eight minute span, so yeah, quite a historic
few minutes there between the fifty first and fifty eighth minute.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's just unfortunate that three of those went for the
other team and not our team. Jake Sibbons, our guest
MLS season pass on Apple TV broadcaster and now for
the Sounders. Jake, you know, it's funny. I saw the
schedule where it's a six pm game on Sunday and
I thought, oh my gosh, are we gonna have Jake
and Taylor back to back weeks for Sunday night soccer. Unfortunately,
you're not on Sounders white Caps, but we do have
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white Caps coming off of a I don't even know
exactly what to call that they lost five nothing in
the CONCACAFF Champions Cup final back on Sunday night, after
the Sounders lost to Minnesota. And it's a Vancouver team
that you saw in the LAFC game recently. Two cents
on Vancouver coming off of this conca calf loss, missing
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a bunch of players do to international duty. What kind
of white Caps team? What kind of mentality do you
think that they come into this weekend's game against Seattle
with Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Don't know, right, I don't know, And it's really interesting.
You know, first of all, it's a great game. It
would have been great on Sunday Night soccer. Our Sunday
night soccer game is going to be Portland Saint Louis,
which also, for a lot of reasons, is very interesting
with Saint Louis getting a win in their first game
under inter manager David Critchley. So we'll be at four Pacific.
We'll lead into that that Seattle Vancouver game. There's another
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game at six. I think LAFC Kansas City is also
at at.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Six at six o'clock.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
So we're in our normal time slot of Sunday night
soccer on Sunday, and we can be an appetizer maybe
or maybe we're the andree. I'll say that I have
no idea what Vancouver is going to look like two
man twenty four fight. Guess what, forty eight hours ago,
maybe fifty hours ago, I thought the Vancouver white Caps
are for real. They are a contender. They're the best
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team in Major League Soccer in twenty twenty five, and
I wouldn't have really questioned that doesn't mean that they're
gonna win the Supporter Shield, win MLS Cup, but does
mean that through the first several months of the season.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
They're legit.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
I don't know anymore, man, I mean, and I don't
know how they respond to this. What a cup punch,
What just a brutal way on the biggest stage in
North American soccer to not show up. They didn't even
take a shot, They didn't even get a shot off
in the CONCACAP Champions Cup final. They were done from
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from you know, within twenty minutes. The game was over,
maybe thirty minutes. It's it's odd because this is a
team that looked so confident, that had gone down to
Mexico twice and advanced. It had gone to Inter Miami
and Messi and Suarez and Scots and Alba and advanced
and dominated.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
To be honest inter Miami and then to not show.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Up, I don't know. You know, maybe it will just
be a blip on a really good season, or maybe
it will damage the confidence of a team that was
so confident before. I was surprised, to be honest, not
necessarily that they lost the game, but but the manner
that they did. I think many people were surprised. And
now now it's a difficult job, I think for it
For yes, for someone who have done everything right in
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Vancouver for his first three months in charge as a
new manager. How does he gets this team to bounce
back and they've got to do it against Cascadia arrival
on Sunday, and maybe that's a good thing to go
straight into Seattle, come home right and just as they
are the Vancouver you know, Vancouver is the kind of
the nice and the nice sibling.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I feel like, much more nice Thanland, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
Yeah, it's hatred when it's Vancouver, Seattle's not hatred when
it's Vancouver Portland. It is maybe when it's Portland Seattle. Still, man,
I'm really interested to see what what the White camps
look like.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Definitely that'll be very interesting.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
It's an international break too, I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's exactly That's gonna hurt Vancouver really really bad.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, that's gonna be really really rough for them. So
you can't even rally the troops fully if the troops
aren't even there, Jake before we'll let you go tonight
and we'll let you go here in a few minutes.
But I have to fit in because one of the
biggest topics on today's show, and then one of the
biggest topics around the entire conversation around the Seattle Sounders
is what happened before and after the game on Sunday,
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players wore the shirts that said Club World Cash Grab,
protesting and kind of just standing up for the pay
situation for the Club World Cup. Post game all most
of the team stood up in front of lockers for
twenty minutes, led by Christian Roldon and Steph and Fry,
who spoke for nearly twenty minutes about their pay problems
with the Club World Cup as a national broadcaster, as
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somebody who calls so many matches and LAFC and Miami
or in the tournament as well, and who were in
circles with the Obviously, Taylor Tweman is the guy next
to you for all these games. What is your perspective
on what happened Sunday and the entire situation with the
Sounders players gripes with the pay situation for the Club
World Cup.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
Look, I don't think there's there's much that I can
add to to the situation beyond what what the Sounders
the players themselves said about why they did that and
what their stands is. Of Course, you know, support the
free speech of anybody in particularly athletes, and you know,
I went to your YouTube page, Jackson, and I watched
(43:31):
the seventeen minute. I guess you could call a press
conference right in the locker room from from the sounders,
and I would encourage anybody, and I'm sure you already
have and you may have played some from Ada. I encourage, Yeah,
I encourage everybody to go listen to that because that,
you know, that'll they put their point out there, and
it's certainly, you know, is more.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Than their right to do.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
And so yeah, you know, I don't have an opinion
on it because I'm not, you know, as informed as
as they themselves are, right, Yeah, And I think again,
I would just encourage people to go watch that, and
you know, that's their side of it, right, and that's yeah,
that's out there and it's their right to do that,
and they certainly did. On Sunday.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Everybody can go to my socials at Jackson on Radio
and I sent out and I'll send it out again,
the full press conference that went about seventeen minutes and change.
Talking about that, Yeah, this is long. We only got
to play a little bit of it, but the full
seventeen minutes is there on YouTube. For everybody. I'll link
it through my socials. Jake, have a great call for
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Portland Saint Louis on Sunday. Please call a few Saint
Louis goals and zero for Portland. Okay, thanks by Hey.
Speaker 7 (44:39):
I hope to call a great game with exciting moments
that goes down to the wire and it's tent and
is really thrilling for all the viewers. Yes, one underd
and seven countries on Apple TV plus.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Damn right. You do a great job, Jackson. I would
just love it if Saint Louis came out on top.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And I love the broadcast. You and Taylor do such
a great job. It was great seeing you this last Sunday.
Have a great call this weekend.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Cheers many time.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Good stuff there from Jake zivin MLS Season Pass on
Apple TV Broadcaster and that'll do it for tonight's show.
Want to thank all of our guests. They're great to
hear from Stephen Fry and Christian Roldan. Go to the socials,
go to the YouTube and watch that full press conference
thanks to Ari Leuenwall and Jake Zivin. Check out Sounders
Weekly wherever you get your podcasts. In case you missed
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Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Tatya on Sunday from BC Place in Vancouver. Right here
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Speaker 3 (45:42):
Have a good rest of your week.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Everybody Well Tatia on Sunday, and Fox Sports Radio is
coming up next.
Coming to you live from our Elliot Avenue studios of
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. This is Sounders
Weekly with your host Jackson Felds.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good evening, everybody, Welcome into Sounders Weekly. Jackson felt here
for the next hour talking all things Seattle Sounders FC.
And when I say all things, I mean all things.
There is a lot more than just soccer action to
talk about with Sounders Soccer here tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It will be a busy show.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We will take a couple minutes, we will go over
the last result and then for the probably the next
about twenty minutes after that, we were going to be
talking about probably the biggest story in Sounderland, one of
the biggest off field stories to hit the Sounders in
a very long time, and that is the pay situation
about the Club World Cup. We'll get into that. You're
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going to hear from Christian rolled On and Stephen Frye
after the game on Saturday see me Sunday. They played
Minnesota on Sunday at Luminfeat lost three to two. Again,
we'll get into that. In a moment after the game,
Stephen fry and Christian rold On were standing in a
group and behind them was pretty much the entire team
(01:12):
of Sounders players minus just a couple, but pretty much
the entire team stood behind them. As the players talked
about the pay issues regarding the Club World Cup that
starts now in just about a week and a half.
You're going to hear from both of them, and we
are going to be talking about that issue in a
matter of moments later On tonight, Ari Lillionwall major League
(01:33):
Soccer dot Com in the podcast Lobbin Scorches, he will
share his thoughts on the pay situation with the Club
World Cup. We'll also, of course get his sense on
the Sounders lost to Minnesota the week. Overall, they got
a one nothing went over Dallas, a one nothing went
over San Diego, but then wrapped a week with the
three to two loss. We'll look also at Vancouver ahead
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coming up on Sunday evening. On Sunday evening, the Sounders
will be in Vancouver to face the white Caps. We're
all gonna be up there at BC Place. It's gonna
be a funnel broadcast Providence, Swedish premat show. We will
begin at five thirty. Kickoff will be at six o'clock
and that will be right here on Sports Radio ninety
three point three kjr FM. I'll let folks know you
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can also watch the match via MLS Season Pass on
the Apple TV app and listen in l Ray thirteen
sixty for Spanish. But again our Providence Swedish prematch show.
We'll start at five thirty right here ninety three point
three kjr FM, and Saturday's match is presented by the
Western Washington Toyota Dealers, So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Match with Ari.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We'll also talk about that match and overall Vancouver thoughts
with Jake Zivin, our good friend from MLS Season Pass
Apple TV. He was on the play by play call
with Taylor twelve minute. It was great to see both
of them up in the booth on Sunday at lumin Field,
and we'll talk to him about the Sounders game Vancouver
next and everything he's seen from Vancouver. Plus of course
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what we are going to be spending a lot of
time on today, which is the Club World Cup pay situation.
But let's quickly start with thoughts on that three to
two loss to Minnesota. Overall, it is, you know, the
the eight minutes from hell that costs the team, where
Minnesota scores three goals between the fifty first and fifty
eighth minutes, and ultimately you're talking about a very very
(03:21):
good play I think by Minnesota for the first goal,
a penalty that can go back and forth.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think for the second goal.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean it was in the booth and I was
watching the game with the guys who were doing a
pregame halftime in post game with me and Callan Row
and Pete Fewing, and Fewing didn't think it was a
penalty Callan Row did think it was a penalty. The
thing for me in those situations is when you have
a divided crew like that, you gotta stick with the
call on the field. And they called penalty right away,
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so they stuck with it. But you know, it's one
of those things I always come back to this, and
that's if it's a foul anywhere on the field at
any time, then it's a foul in the box at
that And I think if John Bell runs into a
guy in that positioning at any other point in the field,
if it's outside the box, that's a foul. So thus
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it's a foul in the box and it's a penalty.
But again I can see it from both sides, just
like the way that Pete saw it. He didn't think
it was a penalty, but ultimately that goes in that
made it to nothing. Kolani Cozerienzi gets one back. Great goal,
great build up. It was our play of the match,
deservedly so. But then Minnesota score the third quickly after
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to make it three to one. That was a play,
you know, shot outside the box. We talked about this
in the postgame show. Stephen Fry should have corraled it.
He should have gotten both hands and held it into
his chest, but he kind of pushes it out towards
John Bell, and in pushing it out, it gave you know, Oluahae,
the Minnesota forward, just the second he needed to step
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in front of Jonathan Bell and pulk it into the
back of the net. So, you know, I think ultimately,
you talk about the failure to close down, was it
prayer the guy who picked the long distance shot. He
was able to get that long distance shot off. You
put it on Stephan Fry for not corraling it, and
you put it on Jonathan Bell for not closing down
Aluis Shae, and ultimately all three failures lead to Minnesota's
(05:12):
third goal, We get an own goal back late, but
couldn't claw back enough and ultimately fall three to two.
So that's how the Sounders lose and end their week.
But again it was, you know, I said this on
the postgame show as well, it was a six point week.
And this comes off the heels of another three game
in eight day stretch where they were all on the road.
So let's add these together. This was six games in
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a two you know, three week stretch where we saw
three in eight and then three and nine, all on
the road and then all at home. We get ten
points total from those six games, and if you extrapolate
that out over the course of a you know, entire
threety four game season, that's fifty seven points. If you're
coming to me in the month of February and telling
(05:54):
me the Sounders are going to get fifty seven points
this year, I am signing up for that every day,
all day for the entire year. So ultimately six games
we get ten points. Let's rock and roll and move
forward to Vancouver. This coming Sunday, we'll talk about Vancouver
white Caps who have lost Conker CAF Champions Cup, and boy,
they got absolutely destroyed by cruz Azuelan Champions Cup five
(06:17):
nothing was that final, just like the UEFA Champions League
Final five nothing Vancouver. They're gonna be a little distraught
coming off that loss. We'll talk about that later on tonight,
but let's begin tonight in full by talking about the
situation that is probably taking over almost everybody's social media
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and discussion points, and that is the Club World Cup
pay situation. And I think it's fair before we hear
from Stephen Fry and Christian rold On to outline exactly
what's going on right now. So what happens when there
is an outside of league tournament is players are given
a cut of money, and what the current collective bargaining
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agreement that the players agreed to back in twenty twenty one,
and that's important, twenty twenty one before the Club World
Cup existed the way it is right now, this whole
new tournament that we're about to start in a week
and a half, where the Sounders are facing three tremendous teams.
You have Botafogo, you have Ethletico Madrid, and you have
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the new YUEFA Champions League winners, the best team on
planet Earth PSG coming into your house Sounders will play
each of them here over the next you know what,
three four weeks in these new you know, revamped tournament,
thirty two teams in the Club World Cup. So this
twenty twenty one collective Bargaining agreement the CBA was done
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in twenty one before this kind of even existed, But
that collective bargaining agreement said that the players for outside
tournaments can collectively be given a million dollars. So what
happens is the Sounders as a whole from FIFA are
given nine point five to five million from participating in
the Club World Cup. Now they can earn an additional
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seven plus million if they actually get out of the
Group of death. But it is the group of death
and it will be way more than a challenge. It
would be almost an impossibility to get out of this group,
and you never say never, but still, but that would
We'll give them an extra seven plus million dollars. But ultimately,
just for making the tournament, it's nine point five to
five million dollars from FIFA.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Per the twenty twenty one CBA.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
The Sounders players can get a million of that, So
that million then gets distributed amongst the what it's twenty
seven I believe players on the Sounders first team roster.
You break that out, it comes around to about thirty
seven thousand dollars thirty seven thousand dollars for each player
for the three games. Now, the interesting thing here comes
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when you do the math, because ultimately you break that down,
it's obviously just over twelve thousand dollars per game for
each player. But when you dig that a little bit,
and obviously, you know, for me, I'm hearing those numbers
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, please, thank you. But when
you actually look deeper into that numbers of what they
compare to, that's where things get interesting. So let's just
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take a random Sounder player. And obviously there's players who
make you know, eighty thousand dollars and there's players who
make you know, over a million dollars. So there's such
a wide, wide gap. Let's just take say Danny Mazovski.
He is a backup player on the team who gets
starts when other guys are injured. He's obviously done very
well this season, and Danny Mazowski's on a contract of
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I believe, right around four hundred thousand dollars. That's just
according to the MLSPA the released numbers last year. So
let's just take Danny Mazowski's four hundred thousand dollars contract
for an MLS season. Let's divide that by the thirty
four regular season league games that Masovski would play. That
breaks down to eleven thousand, seven hundred and sixty four
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dollars from a four one hundred thousand dollar deal. That
doesn't have to be Danny Mozoski. It could be anybody else,
you know. Frankly, there's there's other guys who make five
hundred and fifty, so you could do the numbers there.
I mean, if you want to just put it in
the calculator, a five hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract
that the Sounders have that breaks down to just over
sixteen thousand dollars per match, So quite different. But there's
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players each way. I mean, you know, guys who obviously
make you know, one hundred thousand. That per game number,
you know is far different. But ultimately, let's just take
a median player. Let's just take Danny Muzoski with his
four hundred thousand dollars deal, and I said he makes
just under twelve thousand well, going back to it, a
Club World Cup game pays out just over twelve thousand, roughly,
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let's just kind of be real here and say that
they're around the same number. And obviously the players are
mad because they're saying, we are playing PSG, Athletico Madrid,
Bodha Fogo, three of the biggest clubs on their con nce.
You could argue that PSG is obviously now the greatest
team on planet Earth, Madrid one of, if not the
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biggest teams, greatest teams in Spain, and then Bodha Fogo
one of the, if not the biggest team in South America.
The sounders are saying, we have to play these teams,
We have to play these behemoths, and the payout to
us for playing this game is the same amount as
the payout to I don't know, Wednesday's game against San Diego,
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you know, or just any random weeknight MLS game where
you divide their contract across the thirty four games. Yes,
you can see it from the player's side, the frustration
of saying we should be paid a lot more for
facing these epic games with huge audiences and driving the
you know, the ratings, and building soccer in the country
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and everything that goes into playing in the glob World Cup,
being on this stage, and just the fact that we
got here, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The arguments go on and
on and on. You're gonna hear a couple from stuff
from Frying Krishnolandan in a minute. You can hear and
you can understand their frustration given that for a player
making four hundred thousand dollars like Danny Mazovski, the payout
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is roughly the same as any random MLS game. To
play a club World Cup game against one of these behemoths, yeah,
I mean listen as.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Just a talk show host. That doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But at the same time, it's written into the CBA
from twenty twenty one that for outside league tournaments it's
capped at a million dollars. And I'm gonna go back
to that word captain a minute. So it's capped at
a million dollars, which means each player capped at about thirty
seven thousand dollars, which means in a world where the
Sounders were to advance somehow out of this group of death,
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that thirty seven thousand dollars they will make here for
the Club World Cup, that cap stays at thirty seven.
They would not make any more money if they advanced
to the next round of the Club World Cup. The
Sounders would get, you know, the seven plus million dollars
that FIFA would hand out for making the next round,
but the players wouldn't get anymore because of their CBA
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that they agreed to. The Players Association agreed to it,
and the Plays Association had a statement that they put out.
This is all root because the Sounders had T shirts
before the game against Minnesota, and the t shirts said
club World cash grab with a monopoly man who had
the logos of MLS and FIFA or seeing me the
words MLS and FIFA on that monopoly man. So club
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World cash grab is what the players made that statement
pregame and then postgame they all stood in cameras and
spoke for twenty minutes about this issue, about the issue
of trying to get more money for being on the
world stage, for playing in this massive Club World Cup tournament.
That is their gripe. It's in the CBA regarding outside tournaments,
but there's no specific language about the Club World Cup,
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the biggest club tournament that exists as the CBA was
agreed to again in twenty two twenty one. You can
see it from both sides. You can see the owner's
side of saying this was in the CBA. You can
see it from the player side. Yeah, but this is
a much larger tournament. There isn't specific riding for it,
and we deserve to make more money than in the
case of Danny Mazowski, a random Wednesday game across the
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MLS schedule. It's very interesting how this all breaks down.
It will be very interesting to see the discussions that
happen over the next week and a half, because, yeah,
the Boata Foco game, it's next Sunday, It's a week
from this Sunday. And ultimately, I don't know what the
ultimatum is. I'm not sure you know what the players
are saying, you will do X if we I don't
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really have a lot of legal standing seeing is how
it's written into the CBA for outside league tournaments, and
you know, this Club World Cup is an outside league tournament.
So yeah, it's easy to see it both ways. But
you know, I think a lot of fans are going
to probably side with the players, and I've seen it
already on social media saying you know, well, you know
players will stand with you, but it's it's a harder
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thing to essentially say, you know, okay, well what does
that actually mean? You know, it's thirty seven thousand dollars
for each player for this tournament. But you know, you
can you can understand the anger for some guys who
are saying we should be making a lot more. Let's
hear from a couple of those guys once again. So
they wore the shirts pregame, postgame, the entire team, led
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by Stephan Fry and Christian Rodan stood together for a
press conference for almost twenty minutes. You're not going to
hear nearly all twenty minutes. It's on my YouTube page.
I posted it to my social accounts at Jackson on
Radio on both Blue Sky and on Twitter at Jackson
on Radio if you want to watch the full YouTube
twenty minute video of them talking about this, but here
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is a portion of Christian Roldan and Stephan Fry talking
about the pay issues and what they are facing here
with the Club World Cup starting in less than two weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Always our global coal turn this lesson about two weeks away.
We have no idea what's going on in terms of
the distribution of funds for tournament of this size. We've
made numerous attempts to try to get to the table
and actually talk and figure things out. It's a shame
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that we're two weeks away. We have absolutely no clue.
We've I said, We've tried to. We've even put a
letter together. All the players that are involved on multiple
teams signed it in private, trying to you know, force
them or encourage them to try to talk to us
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so we can figure things out, because we want to
put this a bet a long time ago, so if
you focus on things, and unfortunately hadn't happened yet, and
like I said, with less than over two weeks away
from this, and we felt it was important that we
somehow get a message out that hopefully we could finally
talk in pretty exile.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
The reality is that this is a huge distraction for us,
right we have known about the prize money for a
long time now, and we have gotten to this point
where we're two weeks away from the tournament and not
knowing where we're at, not even essentially getting a responsive
So while it is frustrating that we didn't get a result,
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it is a huge distructure for us.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
What is Adrian if you had any conversations and what
is he said, maybe even personally specifically to you. Well,
that's that's kind of the issues that we've we've been
trying to engage and nobody seems to want to talk
to us. You know, we've we've been getting from the league,
we've been getting through the union promises that something's come
and something's coming, and next thing you know, it's twenty
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something days and nothing has come. And now we're less
than twenty days from the tournament, fourteen days away from
the tournament. So at some point we wanted to talk
a long time, and like I said, we tried avenues
that were private, respectful, because I think what we're wrestling
for is something that's fair. I'm not asking to make
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more than that than then. What I think is is uh,
FIFA thought was what would be fair for players again,
and FIFA may may have made a point that they
wanted to make sure this tournament would be treated with
the almost respect by teams by their players, and that
they would come here and not treat this as a
preseason tournament for teams that have just finished their league.
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And they've already established a free system as well, and
you know we we agree with that fear system as well.
I think party such as a bigger team than we are,
we're well aware of that. We're realistic about those things.
But if the world is getting a certain percentage we're
being here and participating on the stage, then I think
it's just that we get that as well. Just to
get the negotiations would be nice to talk, but we
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haven't gotten. Do you feel comfortable in saying what what
the players are looking for?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Is it just you're trying to start the conversation and
dive into one of the demands we have.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Guns No, I mean honestly that when when this tournament
was announced and surprise minimals yet to be determined, which
is let's go back what a year and change will go.
I think if if there would have been a letter
to be signed that we get the same thing as
in terms of presentation that other teams get and it's fair,
we would have signed it, but not knowing exactly what
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that means, because it just means it's fair. But no,
we have we have no idea. Have you been talking
to the player problem mean to Miami and d LFC
about the next times coordinating the reapon.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, we've been in zoom calls again, these are these
are distractions, right, we should be having to have these
conversations two weeks away, but we've had these zoom calls
with UH with inter Miami.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Now ALIAS is kind of in the picture. We have
been talking to them just a bit.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
The reality is the next step is engaging with the league,
all right, and so we're obviously united in that front,
and that's essentially the next step for us with.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Your current agreement. You're born as cap at the current
life also, that would be part of the odes question.
Fl is so correct.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, we're capped. We already hit the camp and so
as you can tell, that's frustrating, right, Like that's we're
capped from.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
The very beginning. And what are the incentives that right?
I mean again, we're talking about an added tournament and
under the court we're added an added tournament that for
for players that might need another contract down the road,
their add is added risk as well. Right, And when
you're talking about let's you win this tournament, you could
be making one hundred and twenty million dollars if we
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were so lucky that an MLS side wins this tournament.
Let's just remove the fact that's probably not going to happen,
the fact that the players are capped at one million
since ludicrous.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's good stuff there from Christian rolled On and Stephen Fry,
who again spoke in front of the lockers with the
almost the entire team for nearly twenty minutes after the
loss on Sunday to Minnesota. As they talked about these issues,
they wore the t shirts pregame that said Club World
Cash Grab. We went over the numbers a few minutes
ago and talking about kind of the price that breaks
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down to essentially just over twelve thousand a game, and
for you know, a random like Danny Mazoski, it's roughly
the same amount as he makes for an MLS game. So,
you know, just taking a middle player like that, it's
easy to see why the anger is there and the
frustrations there that we are not making more money from
a massive global tournament like the Club World Cup. Again,
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as I said a few minutes ago before we played
the audio, I'm very interested to see what happens. We
are just a week and a half away from this
thing starting next Sunday against Botafogo at Lumenfield. So yeah,
it's gonna be interesting to see for sure. All Right,
we'll get a break. I'm gonna get Ari Lillianwall's two
cents on this subject. We'll also talk to him about
the Minnesota game Vancouver ahead. Jake Zivin also later on
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here in Sounders Weekly to talk about all of that
and more. Busy night here on Sounders Weekly. We'll continue
next on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Now back to Sounders Weekly on your home for sunders FC,
Seattle's Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FM.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Welcome back to Sounders Weekly, Jackson Feltzer, thank you for
joining us here on this special Tuesday night show. We're
back to Wednesday next week, but we have the Stanley
Cup Final Game one tomorrow night on ninety three point
three KJAR. I believe it's gonna be a five pm
start there for the Stanley Cup Finals Game one there
again Edmonton, Florida. So thus our show goes to Tuesday
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this week, and we're talking all things at Seattle Sounders Soccer.
We talked about the Minnesota loss. We talked a lot
about that club World Cup pay situation. You heard from
Christian road On and Stephan Frye, and we're gonna get
the two cents from our next guest joining us now
from Major League Soccer dot Com and the podcast Lobbing Scorches.
You can listen to Lobbing Scorches wherever you get your podcasts,
(22:53):
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on YouTube. They have Monday morning shows Thursday night night shows.
Ari lillianwall is the host of that and joins us
right here on Sounders Weekly. Ari, how you doing, my friend.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Jackson, how are you? I'm all right, man.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It's quite a show and it's quite a topic that
we have to discuss with this club World Cup pay situation.
As we were kind of texting but before your visit, yeah,
things could be getting ugly. But let's talk about that
in a minute. Let's just quickly start as we always do,
by getting your two cents on the actual game before
we go off the field. Sounders ending their three game week.
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They got wins over Dallas in San Diego and then
they wrap it with a three to two loss to
Minnesota on Sunday at lumin field. Let's talk about Sunday's game,
because it was really kind of that eight minutes from
Hell where they give up three goals.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
What specifically did you see.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
As a part of that game more than just that
eight minutes of why they lost?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah, I was pretty impressed with Minnesota. They employed some
unique tactics with their style that needs so much possession,
and I think everyone knew how they were going to
play going into the game, and it felt like they
executed their game plan perfectly and Seattle just didn't deal
with it very well. And I think if there's a concern,
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it would be the defensive lapses. You never want to
concede three at home, especially in quick succession like that.
But I did think there was some good stuff in
the attack. They do get two goals. I liked the
assists that Pedro de la Vega got to KKR, So
there are some good stuff on offense, But it just
it felt like the defense is what did them in
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this game. And so I guess hopefully as they get healthier,
you get ya I'mar back. Hopefully kim Key he back
at some point soon here, and you get your first
choice personnel back there, and hopefully that will shore it
up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, we hope those guys return for the Club World Cup. Ari,
Lillian was our guest, and you know, I think that
we can both see the thirty three year old Eric
Ramsey is doing an amazing job as head coachman. And yeah,
that systems for sure working. I wouldn't be surprised if
you fast forward October and they are squarely in the
discussion for a top three or top four seed in
the Western Conference. They are a very very good soccer team.
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I mentioned the Club World Cup there. Ari, Let's get
into the meat and potatoes of our chat today and
the meat and potatoes of the entire Sounders Weekly show today.
So pregame players wear the shirts that say Club World
Cash Grab your partner Noah on lobbing Scorcher has got
a great picture that went viral with that shirt saying
Club World cash Grab. Then postgame, Stephen Fry and Christian
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Roldan lead a group of almost the entire Sounders team
speaking for almost twenty minutes in front of lockers and
a press conference talking about the pay issues with the
Club World Cup on the league scale of things, just
the national scale. Because I know you're in those conversations
with a lot of people on that national level. How
big of a story is this right now? How big
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of a story could this become over the next weekend
and a half as we approach the start of this
tournament for the Sounders.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a huge story. This story
has been ongoing. Jada Evans reported on it in the
Seattle Times as well, and it's going to be interesting
to see how it plays out. Jackson, I mean, I
think the players have a valid point in that what
is effectively a ninety ten split and this one million
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dollar cap for a tournament with this much prize money.
It doesn't surprise me. It doesn't It shouldn't shock anybody
that they have an issue with that. But then the
flip side of it is that you have what is
pretty clear in the CBA as a one million dollar
cap regardless of the tournament. Seemingly so, it's a it's
a situation that seems to be at an impass. The
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players have been pretty vocal that their primary concern is
just the fact that there's been no dialogue in that
they want to expedite the process of negotiating something that
they think is more fair. But what I'm interested to see.
You do have two other MLS clubs in the Club
World Cup in inner Miami and LAFC just qualifying after
beating Club America in that one game playing. I mean,
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if there's any coordinated demonstrations or anything from from all
three of the teams, and then especially with a team
that it's including Leonel Messi, who has it seems ultimate
sway over a lot of things, that's when things I
think get even more interesting. So this this next week
or two, Jackson is gonna be h. I mean, I
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got my popcorn out.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, that's well put the whole situation because you break
it down to that one million dollars the cap for
all MLS players, and for a team that has twenty
seven players on their first team roster, it essentially breaks
down to thirty seven thousand dollars per player. And for
the Sounders, I mean, you're unlikely to get out of
the group, so it's three games, it breaks down to
about twelve thousand dollars. If you're Miami or LAFC, who
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have easier groups, and it is possible that they actually
get out of the groups, the cap at you know,
a million dollars for the whole group, a cap at
thirty seven thousand dollars for each player that stays capped,
and you I mean, I thought I read something that
you know, LAFC was going to do something about this,
or Miami was going to do something about this, sort
of like the T shirts. But I think I think
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that coordinated effort. Specifically, probably Ari, I'm guessing this weekend,
I mean, this is where you want to have the
popcorn ready for Saturday and Sunday to see I'm not
sure when LAFC and Miami play their respective games, but
that's when you probably want to have the popcorn out
to see what those players do on Saturday. And then
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maybe he didn't seeing what the Sounders you know, do
in Vancouver on Sunday. But ultimately, this weekend is where
the popcorn moment may happen.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, exactly, and it'll be interesting to see what exactly
they do, if if inner Miami specifically, That's what I'm
looking at because Messi, Yeah, Lionel Messi has the ultimate
leverage for everything, it seems like, based on my observations
as an outsider, So I don't know they're they're gonna
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have to come to some sort of resolution before the tournament.
And to me, it really feels like this is a
situation where you would hope that some sort of common
sense would prevail and that you know, everyone can recognize
that this tournament like this, with this much prize money
wasn't anticipated when that CBA was negotiated, right, and that
perhaps you need to make an amendment or accommodation for
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the fact that we're talking about much more money than
any tournament that any MLS club has ever played for
or they thought that they were gonna play for. But
common sense usually does not prevail in situations like this,
So I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't know what the outcome is gonna be.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
So it's gonna be very interesting to find out.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Just have MESSI called Papa Garber and say, don we
need you know, just go from what one million to
two million for these three clubs, and you know it's
it's a million less obviously from the nine point five
to five that each team's getting, you know, by going
into the tournament. But I don't know, I'm just throwing
out something out but like ultimately, yeah, you wonder what's
gonna happen in the next ten days before this thing
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kicks off, because who knows, it's gonna be a wild
next week and a half to see the conversations and
and what develops. Ari lillion Wall is our guest. Major
League Soccer dot Com also hosts the podcast Lobbing Scorches.
Make sure to subscribe to Lobbing Scorches on YouTube. Ari,
we have a new CONCACAFF Champions Cup winner. It is
not the Vancouver why Caps they got slacked. It's the
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Sounders next opponent, they got destroyed five nothing down in
Mexico City to cruise Azul. They are the new CONCA
CAF winners. And I kind of look at this Sunday's game, Ari,
Not only is it gonna be a team that's hung
over from just getting their asses handed to them five
nothing down in Mexico, it's a team who has just
had to travel a bunch, and it's a team that's
missing nine players due to inner national duty. This is
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a Vancouver white Caps team already that, like, I don't
know if if they're gonna show up the BC plays,
they might want to just you know, show up and
kick the ball around and get the hell out of
there and go home and rest some more. But my goodness,
the team that the Sounders are facing this weekend up
in Vancouver is not gonna be the same white Caps
we've seen from this season.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
No, And this this situation can go one of two ways.
Sometimes you have a team that takes a tough defeat
like that and they channel it as motivation fuel to
the fire, and they come out they come out angry
and playing upset in the next game and they can
actually channel it into something positive. So maybe the white
Caps are able to do that even with all the
international absences that you mentioned. But it just feels like
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that loss was so demoralizing in just a way that
I'm frankly still pretty surprised that it went that far
off the rails for them. I've been pretty consistent on
record that I feel like Vancouver has had one of
the most impressive runs this season of any MLS club
that I've ever seen, not just in their path in
Conker Cap Champions Cup, but how they also managed to
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play it at two point two to two point three
points per game pace in league play, not easy to do,
and it was still a great run. But to have
a great run like that and then have it end
like that where you're just abjectively non competitive in the game.
It's going to be interesting to see if they can
maintain their high flying pace that they had going in
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league play after such a devastating defeat and what they're
going through in this specific game with not having all
their personnel there too. That just kind of adds to
the adversity. So it's definitely a situation where it's a
it feels a lot more a result, feels a lot
more attainable in this game for Seattle than it might
have a few weeks ago when the white Caps looked
like the best MLS team.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, exactly, they were flying, and I think you nailed
it with the start of your answer. They were saying,
it can go one of two ways because and it's
it's a question, but now it's a question you can answer,
nobody can answer of just you know, when they get
all the players back after the international wind, when they
you know, fully kind of get going back in June
with their whole squad, is it a team that it's
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sort of just like, you know, playing defeated because of
what happened in the CONCACAF final, or is it a
team that just you know, fights back and says, we're
going to show everybody that we are not who they
saw us in that final and we are a better
team than that. And you know, nobody's gonna have that
answer until probably, you know, the end of June, and
we're a few matches in seeing how the Vancouver white
Caps react to that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Just massive defeat.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Crazy by the way, how both Champions League finals in
CONCACAF and UEFA both ended five to nothing. And you know, now, Ari,
we have the best team on planet freaking Earth coming here.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
In just a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's wild situations across champions leagues.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Yeah, no, exactly, the Sounders saying the UEFA Champions League
winners in a couple of weeks that would be a
big enough story, But then you have everything that we
talked about.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
On top of that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right, well, we'll see what happens this coming Sunday
night up at BC Place.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Are you making the dry up to b C on Sunday?
I will be there.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, nice, I'll see you there. We'll all be there.
It'll be a fun time. Maybe I'll even rope you
into doing a segment on the pregame show. We'll see
how that plays out. All right, buddy, safe travels up there.
We'll see you at BC Place and have a good
rest of your week. My friend, that was good, Thanks Jacky.
Good stuff there from Ari Lillienwall. Yeah, that's good to
know that. He'll be there on Sunday at BC Place.
I'm already scheduled to have Michael McCall of AFTN Canada.
(34:26):
He's going to be on the pre match show as well,
so let's make it a party. Let's have Ari and
Michael on together. It'll be the old Radio Cascadia days
all over again. So look forward to that on the
pregame show.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's again.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's gonna be at five thirty pm right here ninety
three point three KJR FM on Sunday. Let's give you
a full broadcast details. Since we're mentioning it, I mentioned
where it is, five thirty Providence, Swedish premat show six
o'clock kickoff.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You can also watch the match via MLS Season Pass
on the Apple TV app and listen in Spanish language
on LRA thirteen sixty. Saturday's match is presented by the
Western Washington Toyota Dealers.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
All right, we'll take a break.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
We'll come back and talk to Jake zivin MLS Season
Pass on Apple TV Broadcaster. He will talk to us
about the national perspective on this Club World Cup situation,
his two cents on it as a national broadcaster. We'll
talk to him about the game he called Sounders losing
to Minnesota and Vancouver still a lot to get to here.
It's a busy day on Sounders Weekly Sports Radio ninety
(35:25):
three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Now back to Sounders Weekly on your home for Sounders
FC cel's Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FM.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Welcome back to Sounders Weekly, Jackson Feltzer. Good to have
you with us here on this Tuesday night edition here
at Sounders Weekly, talking about the lost of Minnesota, talking
about the Club World Cup pay situation, and talking about
Vancouver ahead. I'll mention that Sounders FC Soccer is presented
by Providence Swedish, the official healthcare partner of Sounders FC.
(35:56):
Here to talk about all of that and more is
our good friend, the former voice of the Pearland Timbers.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
But we don't hold that against him.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He's now a big time MLS season pass on Apple
TV broadcaster. He called Sounders Minnesota last weekend. Jake Zivin
back here on Sounders Weekly. Jake, good to have you
back on, my friend.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
How are you just straight in? Just introduce me that
way every time? Dat but never never, don't do that again.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
We don't have it against you.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Thank you for not
holding it again.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
For all the fine people in Seattle, it was lovely
to be at Luminfield again on Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It was lovely to see you, my friend. Let's just
quickly get We have a lot to discuss here in
the next few minutes. Let's quickly start with your two
cents on what you and Taylor Tweman called that three
two loss for the Sounders to Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Yeah, second half was fun.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
First half was less so.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Just from a neutral standpoint calling the game, Minnesota are very.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Good at what they do.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
They have a very distinct and defined style of play.
It is difficult to play against. If they get the
first goal, it's gonna be even harder to play against.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Sounders saw that.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
They picked their their moments. They defend, they defend, and
then they go uh and it worked very hard to
break down Sounders. You know are gonna have to figure
that out, how to break down the team that sits back.
They I don't think they did that great, particularly in
the first half, right, trying to figure out a way
through it's hard. It's hard a lot not many teams
have figured that out against against Minnesota. So yeah, I
(37:31):
think Minnesota played well. They did what they want, what
they came for. They stuck to their kind of style
of play and it worked a lot of interesting moments
in that game, right, I think Anthony Marchanick should have
been shown a second yellow card, yes, thirty seconds after
his first.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I don't think maybe Danny Mussoski got away with just a.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Yellow on that that instant in front of goal with
with the elbow into the chest of I forget which
which Minnesota defender it was, so maybe fair play on
both sides there. But it really again, really entertaining second
half and all in all was a fun afternoon thrust.
From a neutral standpoint.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I was reading that it's only the ninth time in
Major League Soccer history that four goals have been scored
in an eight minute span, so yeah, quite a historic
few minutes there between the fifty first and fifty eighth minute.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's just unfortunate that three of those went for the
other team and not our team. Jake Sibbons, our guest
MLS season pass on Apple TV broadcaster and now for
the Sounders. Jake, you know, it's funny. I saw the
schedule where it's a six pm game on Sunday and
I thought, oh my gosh, are we gonna have Jake
and Taylor back to back weeks for Sunday night soccer. Unfortunately,
you're not on Sounders white Caps, but we do have
(38:43):
white Caps coming off of a I don't even know
exactly what to call that they lost five nothing in
the CONCACAFF Champions Cup final back on Sunday night, after
the Sounders lost to Minnesota. And it's a Vancouver team
that you saw in the LAFC game recently. Two cents
on Vancouver coming off of this conca calf loss, missing
(39:04):
a bunch of players do to international duty. What kind
of white Caps team? What kind of mentality do you
think that they come into this weekend's game against Seattle
with Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Don't know, right, I don't know, And it's really interesting.
You know, first of all, it's a great game. It
would have been great on Sunday Night soccer. Our Sunday
night soccer game is going to be Portland Saint Louis,
which also, for a lot of reasons, is very interesting
with Saint Louis getting a win in their first game
under inter manager David Critchley. So we'll be at four Pacific.
We'll lead into that that Seattle Vancouver game. There's another
(39:36):
game at six. I think LAFC Kansas City is also
at at.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Six at six o'clock.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
So we're in our normal time slot of Sunday night
soccer on Sunday, and we can be an appetizer maybe
or maybe we're the andree. I'll say that I have
no idea what Vancouver is going to look like two
man twenty four fight. Guess what, forty eight hours ago,
maybe fifty hours ago, I thought the Vancouver white Caps
are for real. They are a contender. They're the best
(40:03):
team in Major League Soccer in twenty twenty five, and
I wouldn't have really questioned that doesn't mean that they're
gonna win the Supporter Shield, win MLS Cup, but does
mean that through the first several months of the season.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
They're legit.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
I don't know anymore, man, I mean, and I don't
know how they respond to this. What a cup punch,
What just a brutal way on the biggest stage in
North American soccer to not show up. They didn't even
take a shot, They didn't even get a shot off
in the CONCACAP Champions Cup final. They were done from
(40:38):
from you know, within twenty minutes. The game was over,
maybe thirty minutes. It's it's odd because this is a
team that looked so confident, that had gone down to
Mexico twice and advanced. It had gone to Inter Miami
and Messi and Suarez and Scots and Alba and advanced
and dominated.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
To be honest inter Miami and then to not show.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Up, I don't know. You know, maybe it will just
be a blip on a really good season, or maybe
it will damage the confidence of a team that was
so confident before. I was surprised, to be honest, not
necessarily that they lost the game, but but the manner
that they did. I think many people were surprised. And
now now it's a difficult job, I think for it
For yes, for someone who have done everything right in
(41:20):
Vancouver for his first three months in charge as a
new manager. How does he gets this team to bounce
back and they've got to do it against Cascadia arrival
on Sunday, and maybe that's a good thing to go
straight into Seattle, come home right and just as they
are the Vancouver you know, Vancouver is the kind of
the nice and the nice sibling.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I feel like, much more nice Thanland, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
Yeah, it's hatred when it's Vancouver, Seattle's not hatred when
it's Vancouver Portland. It is maybe when it's Portland Seattle. Still, man,
I'm really interested to see what what the White camps
look like.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Definitely that'll be very interesting.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
It's an international break too, I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's exactly That's gonna hurt Vancouver really really bad.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, that's gonna be really really rough for them. So
you can't even rally the troops fully if the troops
aren't even there, Jake before we'll let you go tonight
and we'll let you go here in a few minutes.
But I have to fit in because one of the
biggest topics on today's show, and then one of the
biggest topics around the entire conversation around the Seattle Sounders
is what happened before and after the game on Sunday,
(42:24):
players wore the shirts that said Club World Cash Grab,
protesting and kind of just standing up for the pay
situation for the Club World Cup. Post game all most
of the team stood up in front of lockers for
twenty minutes, led by Christian Roldon and Steph and Fry,
who spoke for nearly twenty minutes about their pay problems
with the Club World Cup as a national broadcaster, as
(42:46):
somebody who calls so many matches and LAFC and Miami
or in the tournament as well, and who were in
circles with the Obviously, Taylor Tweman is the guy next
to you for all these games. What is your perspective
on what happened Sunday and the entire situation with the
Sounders players gripes with the pay situation for the Club
World Cup.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
Look, I don't think there's there's much that I can
add to to the situation beyond what what the Sounders
the players themselves said about why they did that and
what their stands is. Of Course, you know, support the
free speech of anybody in particularly athletes, and you know,
I went to your YouTube page, Jackson, and I watched
(43:31):
the seventeen minute. I guess you could call a press
conference right in the locker room from from the sounders,
and I would encourage anybody, and I'm sure you already
have and you may have played some from Ada. I encourage, Yeah,
I encourage everybody to go listen to that because that,
you know, that'll they put their point out there, and
it's certainly, you know, is more.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Than their right to do.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
And so yeah, you know, I don't have an opinion
on it because I'm not, you know, as informed as
as they themselves are, right, Yeah, And I think again,
I would just encourage people to go watch that, and
you know, that's their side of it, right, and that's yeah,
that's out there and it's their right to do that,
and they certainly did. On Sunday.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Everybody can go to my socials at Jackson on Radio
and I sent out and I'll send it out again,
the full press conference that went about seventeen minutes and change.
Talking about that, Yeah, this is long. We only got
to play a little bit of it, but the full
seventeen minutes is there on YouTube. For everybody. I'll link
it through my socials. Jake, have a great call for
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Portland Saint Louis on Sunday. Please call a few Saint
Louis goals and zero for Portland. Okay, thanks by Hey.
Speaker 7 (44:39):
I hope to call a great game with exciting moments
that goes down to the wire and it's tent and
is really thrilling for all the viewers. Yes, one underd
and seven countries on Apple TV plus.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Damn right. You do a great job, Jackson. I would
just love it if Saint Louis came out on top.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And I love the broadcast. You and Taylor do such
a great job. It was great seeing you this last Sunday.
Have a great call this weekend.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Cheers many time.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Good stuff there from Jake zivin MLS Season Pass on
Apple TV Broadcaster and that'll do it for tonight's show.
Want to thank all of our guests. They're great to
hear from Stephen Fry and Christian Roldan. Go to the socials,
go to the YouTube and watch that full press conference
thanks to Ari Leuenwall and Jake Zivin. Check out Sounders
Weekly wherever you get your podcasts. In case you missed
that one final note, michelob Ultra is ninety five calories
(45:29):
and two point six grams of carbs. It's only worth
it if you enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Tatya on Sunday from BC Place in Vancouver. Right here
ninety three point three KJRFM five thirty pre game six
o'clock kickoff sounders at Whitecaps.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Have a good rest of your week.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Everybody Well Tatia on Sunday, and Fox Sports Radio is
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