Furness Show 11-12: Anne McCoy out, Stewart Mandel, Mike Holmgren

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Anybody want to comment on Dan Wilson not winning Manager

(00:02):
of the Year. Okay, that's your comment and locked on
the manner responsible post gust.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, yeah, yeah, big fans of Dan Wilson, we are
You're not so, but like it is a regular season award.
So a lot of people that are like, oh, how
can you watch the postseason and put him into the
manager of the year conversation? Guys, it's a regular season
award was voted on before the season was over, just
so everyone knows.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
You know, what's interesting is I now listen, I don't
have the you know, I heard Mark earlier. He's Mark
at one good point about Dan Wilson. I know he
was like celebrating kind of that he didn't get it right. Okay,
you do you but I I you know the one
that they did pump up the Sporting News. Mark's got
a point, like I didn't know the Sporting News still.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Existed, they even have radio, Like do.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
They really sports still around? Because like like Sports Illustrated
kind of exists still sort of right kind of Sporting
dot Com. Well, Sporting News was like off brand Sports
Illustrated without good pictures, without without good photography. I didn't
know they still existed. If I got named sports Sports,
sporting news radio host of the Year, which I won't,
but if I did, I'd be like, whatever, I didn't

(01:16):
know you guys existed. So that one doesn't matter. This
is the one that mattered. The one last night when
the Major League Baseball decides are going to elongate the
awards presentations over the course of like four days.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I will say the what it feels like Coach of
the Year, Manager of the Year, and every sport has
turned into is who has the worst team that still
made the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, and that's exactly what's happened.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
But that's why I want to bring up Dan for
a second. Yeah, because I know, for some reason in
this town, not for some reason, I understand Baseball Guy,
I would put you into that category. I would put Crawford, Chuck, Bucky,
Nathan shean Ino, all our baseball guys. Now, not all
of you guys share the same opinion of Dan Wilson

(02:00):
by any means, but Baseball Guy, a lot of baseball
guys did. There's a lot of questioning of Dan Wilson,
not just in the playoffs, like there was people I
can tell you that. We probably had a dozen shows
during the course of Molliwatt Mondays where Chris and Nathan
both said, we're really worried about when they get to
the playoffs. Is Dan Wilson going to be capable and

(02:21):
a capable manager in the playoffs. My thought always was,
I don't care. Let's just get to the playoffs. They've
been there five times in the previous forty eight years.
Let's just get there. Hard to complain at that time, right.
I'm a little biased because I like Dan a lot.
I've known him for a little bit. I like Dan
a lot, and I think he was putting a tough
situation a year ago, like a really tough situation. Not

(02:45):
only you replacing service late in the year, but you're
given the job right then and there without any questions asked,
And that caused a lot of consternation in this town.
His regular season records for nominal guys and it's and
you said it, it's a regular season award. They came

(03:05):
back and rolled through the West, which has last I checked.
A pretty good team named the Astros, another pretty good
team named the Rangers. Yeah, like they did a lot.
Helped me out to Cleveland win their division. They did okay,
they also navigated. Did Stephen vote pretty tough waters with
the Ortiz and class eighth?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
So to me, it's almost a push in a sense.
I agree, But I would have liked to have seen
Dan win it. I think it would now. I'm also
not one that wants to see Dan get fired, right,
and a lot of people he won't. He won't, there's
no way. But I'm gonna say something. You tell me
if I'm wrong. I think there's a lot of people
want to him out.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeahtely during the six weeks before they won the AL West,
during that.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
During the playoffs, even during the playoffs. During the playoffs,
it was like, oh, there was questions.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
There was a lot of like, we want Dan out.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
He made bad decisions to some people.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yes, I just I don't know, Like I just I
think in Dan's case, God, how much of that stuff
I want to think he's got. You ever watched twenty
four with Keith keis other way? So there's there's like
a real if B that you can kind of see.
But then he always had the little look like an
ear plug that was in I swear I think Dan
had an ear plug in see and I think that

(04:27):
ear plug was was was right upstairs, like you know,
like like like like Jack Bauer is talking to you know,
Central Intelligence and what yeah or Zoe or whatever name
was right like he's talking to her. Yeah. I think
Dan had that. And it was the POTO pulling the
strings half the time and the analytics department going this
is what you do, this is what you do. Now.
I exaggerated a little bit, but I just I thought, Okay,

(04:51):
well Dan didn't win it. I also think it's a
bad I think it's a pet precursor for the ales
for the al MVP. I I really do. I think
if I'm looking at one thing, I'm saying Canary Cave there,
it is right there. And we talked about it, was
she and yesterday she said his vote was Aaron judge
and he explained why and whether we like it or not,

(05:15):
there is an East Coast bias. Yes, there is the
bias of guys. I mean, I don't know how many
home runs Dan hit in the Pacific time zone, but
I'm gonna guess it's a lot. And Andrews, we have
this conversation with hockey all the time.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
You mean home runs Cal hit Cal?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yes, cal hit. We have this long conversational hockey all
the time. Yeah, Like there's a bunch of analytical stat
nerds out there. Not my friend Allison. She's a nerd.
We love her to death, and she also watches the games. Yes,
they got these others like the Athletic, and I like
the Athletic for everything. They have great hockey coverage, so
to speak. But they just got people that I don't
think they watch the games. They read the stats, yes, yeah,

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and they put in a computer and spits it out.
I think with the Mariners, I don't think that people
watch the game back East. Let's say Dan, Let's say
cal Rawly hit thirty five to forty percent of his
home runs in the Pacific time zone, how many of
those were seen by people that have votes because they
don't bother to watch games. I'll be honest.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Start a ten pm Eastern time.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And I don't bother to watch a lot of things
in the East. Starts at four o'clock. We're not ready
to watch. I get it, but it's shoved down in
the throats.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I do watch. I watch college football. I take a
ton of games and I watch as much as I
can WHYTX I have a heisman. But I think it's
important to watch games if you have a vote. Yeah,
I think it's important to watch games. But I think
in Dan's case, Dan, I keep saying Dan, Cal's case.
In Cal's case, I think seeing Dan Wilson not get
that award when he very easily could have, especially since
the guy that won it won it last year, and

(06:41):
usually you just kind of unless it's such an obvious
thing with the cy Young right, really obvious, you just
kind of go on. I just I have a feeling
that the only thing that saves cal Rawley is Yankee's
fatigue Aaron Judge of fatigue. Yeah, there's the Yankee fatigue
as a whole Yankee.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yes, that is real. I was just in New York
last weekend and he's real there.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah. I think with Cali, what will bum me out?
And I'm looking too far ahead, I guess in a sense,
but what will bum me out a little bit is
that if he doesn't win it this year, I don't
know if America never win it again, Like you like,
just think about the season he had, the historical season
he had. I disagree a little bit with Joe. I

(07:27):
think you have to put more into the position he played.
I think you have to put more to that.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, and you remember, like, this isn't something new where
Aaron Judge beats out a historic season for the MVP.
He talked about it. He beat a normal show hey
O Tawny season in twenty twenty two, right because of
what he did. So it's not like it it's kind
of this nowhere situation. He's a generational player, Aaron Judges,

(07:52):
So it does kind of suck timing wise, that Cal's
historic season himself falls in line with another great Aaron Judge.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
It does, it does, and and really, for being honest,
you probably can't go wrong with whoever you vote for.
But I just kind of felt like, Wow, Dan didn't
get it, kind of was an obvious choice. Team didn't
make the playoffs last year. His record since taking over
is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, and I put the Cow's season and Dan Wilson
in the same category. I don't think it's a coincidence
that Cow has this amazing breakout when Dan Wilson was
the manager former catcher.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, exactly understands the position lets him.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Play every day.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, it does not hold him back.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I think you're right with that. That's a great point,
Andrews a fan. That's a great point because it probably
isn't a coincidence. No, and you know, for cal to
ever even come closer repeating that would be remarkable. But yeah,
we'll see what happens. It's tomorrow, right, we'll find out tomorrow. Baseball,
you guys, come on, man, you're not the NFL.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Why are you waiting? I know, but didn't he stretching
off with the series that we have.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
So you're gonna do it? Had to have Thursday night
football instead, and that's a whole game.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
So I guess what I suppose we call him the
business counter program?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Is counter programming? Anyway? All right? Well enough, I was,
I was. I'll wrap it up with this. I was
bummed out for Dan. I was hoping he would get it.
And we can question Dan Wilson, and rightfully so, his
decision making, whether he's got the Jack Bower ear piece
in or not listening to what Jerry's telling him, we

(09:25):
can question that. But what we can't question is the record.
And we can't question the fact that they won the division,
and we can't question the fact that they got to
the ALCS the manager had something to do with that, right, Like,
I don't I hear people say anybody could do that.
I don't know. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
If I were to ask you going into this week,
who is more likely to win their award, Dan Wilson.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Or Cal, I would have send Dan Wilson all day
and every day. I figured that was just a no brainer.
New guy on the block, you know, all that kind
of stuff and and all those things. So yeah, we'll
find out why. All right, coming up, Stuart Mande will
talk all things college football. We'll also get the coaching
carousel Jad jad paging, Jedfish paging Jad Fish. And I

(10:09):
don't know what jobs are even worth worth of damn
to be honest with you, because I don't think I
will LSU really, I don't know. We'll talk about that
with him, College football playoffs and so much more. Home
Grind at two o'clock as well on ninety three point
three KJFM.

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Speaker 1 (11:00):
All right, we go college football Time with our guys
Stuart Mandel from The Athletic and the Audible Podcast as
we crank things up down the final few weeks of
the regular season for college football. So, of course college
football Playoff on the minds of many college football fans,
not really on the minds of those in this particular state. Hi, Stewart,
how are you?

Speaker 8 (11:20):
I'm good?

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I'm good? I'm good. Obviously, Washington losing to Wisconsin pretty
much takes them out. I want to just get one
thing clarified. Has somebody ask me this question and I'm
gonna go through this and you tell me if I'm
right here in terms of how this works, and that
is actually who gets in to the twelve team bracket.
So when we're looking at rankings, I think it gives

(11:42):
us context. If I'm not mistaken, college football playoff twelve teams,
and basically it's the five conference champions ranked highest by
the CFP Selection Committee plus the next seven highest ranked teams, So,
in other words, five conference champions. Now we're doing the
math here. I think I'm correct, you're Stewart. We have

(12:04):
just four power conferences now, and then that would leave
a group of five in there as well. They don't
have to be ranked in the College Football Playoff rankings.
A group of five, it's just whoever the highest one
would be at that point. So it's four plus one,
and that means that a group of five school more
than likely will be a twelve seed. Am I Am?
I good with that? Am I accurate with that?

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (12:26):
And it's important to note that while we assume that
four of the five will be from the Power conferences,
it's not written in the rules. So it's led to
some fine mailbag question today, you know, as possible the
ACC champion just doesn't make it right, like not, you know,
uss and then maybe James Madison finish both finish ahead

(12:50):
of Duke because Duke is five and four and believe
it or not, controls his testing me in the a
SEC And that's a fun thing to entertain I don't
think that would happen, but it is I think a
source of confusion. I think a lot of I think
a lot of fans assume, Oh, it says in the
rules like that the Big ten, Big twelve, ACC and
SEC get a bit and that is not the case.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
So the yeah, so it so five conference champions could
include two group of five, but it would always include
a group of five because there's only four power conferences. Correct.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
Yeah, and that was intentional that the group of five
would get a spy.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Year, gotcha? Okay, so that makes sense. So that brings
us to the chaos that happened. Well, not so much chaos,
but what we did see over the weekend. First of all,
me just go with Washington for a second. I want
to get Stuart Mandel's thoughts on the Huskies. They lose
to Wisconsin, they could still have a ten win season,
but I just that would include I guess a bowl
game if they were to get to ten wins. But

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with Washington losing to Wisconsin, how bad a loss? Is
that just in the grand scheme of things for Jedfish
in the program or is it just hey, you know what,
you are an outside shot? To get in anyway, and
you move on.

Speaker 8 (14:00):
It's not about the playoff or not the playoff. I
think most people probably considered that a long shot anyway,
But that was a terrible loss. Wisconsin is ranked ninetieth
in SP plus. I mean, I know they have the
history and they have a Big ten logo patch, but
they're terrible. They scored seven points combined in their previous

(14:21):
three games. And I know it was played in a
monsoon and all that, but I think it really you know,
I mean, they hadn't played well on the road before,
but at least those were against good teams. Yeah, it
made you think, like, huh, maybe they hadn't made as
much progress as we thought.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Is there anything to the West Coast teams playing, you know,
in the on the road in the Midwest and in
the Eastern time zone. For Washington has been a massive struggle.
They've got the one win on the road in the
Big Ten, and that was at Maryland. Everything else has
been a massive struggle for them on the road. I
feels like Oregon's done okay. Their loss this year was
at home to Indiana USC. I guess mixed results in

(15:01):
UCLA is just a train wreck. So is there anything
to those West Coast teams playing in the Midwest? Do
you think.

Speaker 8 (15:06):
I think yeah, I mean I think it goes both ways.
You know, the Penn State laying that absolute egg at UCLA.
It's not like you can blame it all on travel.
I think travel is a factor. The numbers back it up. Now,
a lot of my colleagues say that's an excuse. I
don't want to hear about it, right, And there's also
kind of no rhyme or reason too who it happens

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to and who it doesn't. I mean, Cow went to Virginia,
I'm sorry to Louisville and knocked off a top fifteen
Louisville team over the weekend. So it's not like it's
some absolute But yeah, Oregon is tep one Oregon. It
doesn't seem to matter where the game is or what
the weather is, they still find a way to win

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on the road.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Can Oregon still afford a loss? Like they're sitting there
at eight and one overall, five and one in conference play?
If if they lose one of USC or Washington, do
you think they're still in.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
It's interesting because the committee last week kind of criticized
their schedule and even since yesterday, I'm on Twitter, I'm
caught up in this bizarre Texas A and M fans
upset that they're behind Indiana, and I pointed out that,
you know, by the rankings, Indiana's win at Oregon slightly
more impressive than A and M's at Notre Dame, and

(16:26):
somehow that became a referendum whose Oregon actually played and
who they actually beaten. To answer your question, I think
if it were to a good team, they probably wouldn't
drop that far, but they would put themselves at a
little bit of risk because we could see I mean,
there's a scenario where seven SEC teams finished ten or two,

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ten and two or better. Probably not going to happen.
Probably somebody will suffer a loss they're not supposed to.
But you could see just more teams from those two
conferences than there are spots, So I don't think they
would be safe. But in most cases, right nine out

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of ten cases, you would think a ten and two
Big ten team with a couple of good wins would
be in.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, it's Stuart. It's interesting when we get to March Madness,
which I know you're very familiar with as well. You know,
the talk, which is just in my one man's opinion,
it is ridiculous to expand to seventy six. I know
it's probably going to be inevitable in twenty twenty seven,
but just it's ridiculous in the sense that, you know,
we don't need more teams like we looked at. I mean,
my buddy Gary Perris Shore at CBS, he's done the

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exercise a million times. We have him on in the springtimes,
and it's you know, the teams that were on the
outside looking in last years. You know, the first four out,
the next four out, those teams have zero. They wouldn't
have done anything in the tournament. They didn't deserve to
be there. They didn't earn their way in, but they
were from big conferences and so people through a fit.
I think with the twelve teams Stewart, it feels like
it just will work out, like it just you know,

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in the next three weeks, it feels like things will
worked out. And if we have a controversy, it's going
to be what we just talked about. It's going to
be a two loss team from the Big ten or
a two loss team from the SEC. I think am
I going down the right path there.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
The biggest controversy that you can kind of see laying
out there is a nine and three Texas team that
has already beaten two top fifteen ish teams, Oklahoma and Bandy,
and to get to nine and three will need to
be either top five Georgia this week or top five

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A and M in a couple of weeks. And I
think you'd have a hard time leaving that team out
three losses or not. But that would mean they're going
to maybe they would get in over ten into Oregon
or ten and to somebody else. I could see that
being hot the hot debate on the ESPN Selection show
that Sunday. But last year, and it's only one year
sample size, you know, it was a fake controversy, the

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idea that the nine and three Alabama team that lost
to two six and six teams should be in above
SMU that it just wasn't controversial at the end of
the day, nobody. Most of the teams that will be
in contention for that last spot are not going to
have particularly great resumes, which is why I'm kind of
curious to see that Texas scenario, because they would arguably

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have a really good resume. For a nine to three teams.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, didn't Mario Christobal, didn't Miami scream and Yelle last
year too. It feels like they did am I wrong.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
There, Miami, Miami. We actually had mur the Monday morning
after they lost the Syracuse.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think it was after the Yeah.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
It was the Tuesday ranking show that where they fell out.
He wanted to come on the show and make their case.
But then by the time you got to the actual
final ranking, like they weren't actually particularly close to making.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
It, right, right, Yeah, And Miami's the interesting one this year, right,
I mean, they're the highest ranked ACC team right now,
but they may not win the conference, like you said,
So what's Miami These paths to get in.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Miami's path is to win out and kind of watch
the carnage happen above them get in from fifteen to ten,
which looks like it's gonna be the cut off for
an at large Bertha is entirely, entirely realistic. And then
the other thing I think they had going for them
is if Notre Dame. Well, ideally for all these A
large teams, nor Dame will lose again and just free

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up a spot. But if they don't, and Miami suddenly,
going into the last week the season is now only
one or two spots behind Notre Dame. With the committee
then say okay, yeah, there was the head to head there,
we're gonna flip them. That's not I don't think it's
coming up right now because they're so far apart. But
if they're right behind each other, it'll be hard to
ignore that.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, because Pittsburgh is a Miami's test this week, and
that's I mean, that's a massive game. If they get
by Pittsburgh that they're going to Notre Dame. That is,
if they get by Pittsburgh, they have Syracuse the Stamford
to finish off the season, and they're going to finish
I mean, they're going to finish ten to two. Like
that's a I think the only now, again it's college football,
who knows, but it feels like the only land mine

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left for from Notre Dame is that game. And that's
a big game for them because you know, Pittsburgh's a
ranked team, they're twenty second in college football ranking. So
Notre Dame let's assume they win that one. You can
almost guarantee that they're in As you mentioned, with a
group of five schools guaranteed in. That's that's the those
are the last you know, those are the last two spots.
Notre Dame wouldn't be necessarily the last two spots, but

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that that brings people's people asking me like why would
Miami have to get up or whoever have to get
up to you know, there's ten spots, because that's what
it is. There's ten spots at that point, right, yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
I mean Notre It's pretty telling that Notre Dame has
been the highest ranked two lost team in each of
these first two ranking. They're they're ninth right now. And
if they continue, if they beat Pitt and continue to win,
why would they you know, fall back. There's no you know,
teams are going to lose, right Like I know, it's yes,
it's fun to look at these and go, what if
there's eight ten and one ten and two teams and

(21:56):
blah blah blah. No, like this is November in college football.
Somebody's gonna lose games that they aren't expected to lose.
Maybe it'll be Oregon, maybe it'll be Notre Dame. We'll see,
but this will these teams will not all be eleven
and one and ten and two come December seventh.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Twelve teams is fun to talk about? Sixty four, well,
sixty eight, I guess it's fun to talk about. I
mean it's honestly the weeks leading up to selection Sunday,
March maadis I love it. I mean, I'm a college
basketball fan, so I enjoy those weeks. Yeah, I love
I love the conversation, I love the talk, and I
love this with the twelve even with twelve teams. I
hated it with four teams. I just I absolutely despise
it with four teams. I thought, you know, and I

(22:34):
think you wrote about this like you'd have one hundred
and fifteen teams or so one hundred and ten teams
in the country that know they had no chance to
get in. So but if that scenario existed today, how
crazy would it be? Stuart And I guess it is
different though, right, the timing is different because we had
conference expansion. But boy, if we still had that fourteen playoff,
this would be a disaster.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
I never really, not never. It was it was rare
that we got to the end of the fourteen to
the season with forty and I said, oh, they got it,
totally wrong, right. I didn't vehemently disagree with leaving out
Florida State that last year, but there was no other
thing where it's like somebody got totally jobbed. But I
do think that would happen.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Now.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
It's very you know, it wasn't planned this way, but
it's very fortuitous that it expanded twelve the year that
the Big ten and SEC basically took over college football
because the conferences got even bigger, which means the schedule
has got even more imbalanced. Look at the ACC this year,
so you could just see getting to the end of

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the year and I mean, look at Ole Miss, right,
They're probably going to go finish eleven and one, and
that in the fourteen playoff would be like great, they're
eleven and one. They're going to end up with like
one good win in the whole season. They will probably
be there will be ten and two teams that have
better records than eleven and one Old Miss. But would
the committee actually do that in a fourteen playoff? Probably not.

(23:57):
So I think it's it worked out very well. And also,
like this is what this twelve team playoff is, what's
keeping the Big twelve and ACC relevant because you know,
At some point I became a TV ratings s geek
and I tweed out the ratings every week. And like
the UYU and Texas Tech played a Top ten game
last week that got two I think four million viewers,

(24:21):
which was two million less than Indiana, Penn State, Penn
State three and six. Like that is the world we
live in now. Everybody pays attention to the Big ten
and SEC way more than the other conferences. But the
one thing that's keeping them relevant is their champion is
going to go to the playoffs. Right, the Texas Tech
UIU game matters because their champion is going to go
to the playoffs, and that wouldn't necessarily been the case

(24:43):
in a fourteen playoff.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
No exactly. It is Stuart Mandel from The Athletic The
Edible podcast as well joining us week we visit. Let
me I want to get the coaching carousel. That's also
fun to discuss and toss around there as well. Before
I get into some specific openings and names, let's just
talk to LSU for a second. What the hell's going
on there, Steward? I mean, like, what the I mean?
You've got a governor that's that says the ad is

(25:06):
in charge and he's not in charge, and he's got
you you know they are they going to have a
guaranteed contract and if not, what does that mean or
what's the buyout going to be? What are they doing
with Brian Kelly? Is he actually gonna get paid his money?
What is LSU doing?

Speaker 8 (25:21):
Just a just a full on dysfunctional mess where it
seems like nobody's in charge, including the governor who like
says these things and says, well, I'm not going to
pick the coach. The Brian Kelly trying to get out
of the buyout. I guess that's not surprising. I guess
you got to try when you've committed fifty three million dollars.

(25:41):
But they're you know, the the idea that Scott Woodward
didn't have the authority to fire him for performance is outragious.
They literally put out a press release that said so yes,
And so the question becomes like in a in a vacuum,
LSU does a great job, right, I Mean, there's a
reason three coaches in a row won a national championship there.
But if you're laying Kiffin and you're being lewed by them,

(26:03):
but also Florida or obviously the opportunity to stay at
ole myths. I wouldn't touch that job. I mean, they're
they're you know, they're gonna they're probably gonna throw a
contract at you and say, look at all this money
we're giving you, but if you if we fire you
in three years, we're gonna try to get out of
paying you that money. The the a D that they
promoted Vergil Ausbury the new president, he was the president

(26:25):
was like announced that day and then six hours later
said okay, he's he's not the intermad anymore. But then
he didn't interview next day. It's kind of said he
still is. So I just think it's it's it's very
amusing to watch from afar, but fire and now, as
you fan, I'd be furious because they're they're just screwing
this up so badly.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, I mean, on the on the surface, you know,
let's play the ranking games on the surface, LS who
should be either one or one A right behind Florida
right in terms of the openings, and maybe that drops
it down. Then you've got Auburn, Virginia, Tech, Arkansas, Oklahoma State,
ucl Organ State, Caloros that u AB. I mean, you
get a bunch of teams in there that that aren't
big you know, that aren't going to go after big names.

(27:05):
But but if you're just kind of ranking, let's just
do some of those top schools in a blender, LSU, Florida, Auburn,
Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State, U C l A. I mean,
how many of those are desirable? Pen and Penn State? Yeah,
and Penn State. How many of those are really desirable?
Like like what like how would you kind of put
that in in in some semblance of a ranking system
like our calls.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
I mean, I think I think l s U, Penn State,
Florida are in the top tier. Those are places that
have one national championships that you can win national championships.
Auburn has one one not too long ago, but it's
harder there, so I mean, but but look, I mean,
if you're John Sumrall, the coach of Tulane and LSU calls,

(27:45):
you're going to take the job, right, You're not going
to turn that down. It's more if for the link Kippens,
you know other coaches who might be who have options. Right,
maybe you say I want to go coach in the SEC,
but I don't want to coach at LSU. I want
to coach at LSU, Maybe I want to coach at
Auburn or Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Is Jim Mora a legitimate candidate for a big job.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
Yeah, I would, I would think so. I don't know
about what big constitutes, but you know, you just have
so many of these Virginia Techs and home the States
and u c. L AS is not gonna hire him
though that level of program. And here's a guy who
he did win, have a couple of ten win seasons
at UCLA. Now he's doing miraculous work at Yukon. I mean,

(28:33):
you have to give him a call. I think people
are a little scared off still about how the UCLA
thing ended, But look at ucl since then, nobody, nobody
has done what you.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
Would do there.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, Well, I mean you look at I mean he
had this year's having this great year at seven and three.
He was nine and four last year as a nine
win season for an independent Connecticut team. That's a nine
win season. And you know, I guess the only thing
I'd work. I mean, I'm sure.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
You've seen the stat right, he has more wins over
ACC team the last two years in Florida State.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's a beautiful thing. I mean, and that's like he's
a guy that I think has to be considered. I
guess my thought would be, I wonder, hit sixty four.
Does that scare people off sixty four years old? Or
is if Jed Fish moves on, he's a perfect candidate
for his alma mater here in Seattle, I would think.

(29:22):
But I don't know if they'd go down that road.
And I don't even know if Jeed Fish is really
going to be a candidate. He came out and kind
of spained out.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
I think, yeah, I think Jeff Fish may have lost
his suitors with that game the other day. But also
just like, like you know, it's not the end of
the world that Washington's not playoff team this year. Maybe
they will be next year. Maybe they're a year away,
but we might be jumping the gun a little bit
to put him up for those top jobs this year.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean, it's still fascinating stuff all the way around,
all right, Stuart, tell people about the audible podcast you
and Ralph and Bruce do. It's fantastic, folks about that.
I love listening to it every week couple times at least.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
You know, every week I hang up with you guys,
and then get on to record the Thursday episode of
The Audible. It's every Sunday morning live on YouTube at
eleven thirty am Eastern eight thirty am Typic and then
Tuesday mornings and Thursday mornings.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
You guys do a great job. It's a fun listen.
It's fun listening. I mean, just if you're a college
football fan, it's a must download. It's a must listen.
And of course Stuart's stuff, the reaction stuff after Saturday games,
and of course your mail bag as well at the Athletic,
Thethathletic dot com. And yeah, I'm just as a college
football fan, I can't get enough. You guys are fantastic.
So keep up the good work and we will talk

(30:38):
to you next week. My friend.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
All right, thank guys.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
There you go. That is Stuart Mandel from The Athletic
and the Audible podcast. Go check that thing out. Fantastic
listen as well. All right, here's what's coming up on
the rest of the show today. We've got a little
daily power play next Crack and they get a point.
They got a point last night, which is that's the
good news, such a good It's just it's the good news,

(31:02):
they got a point. The bad news is they now
have they have five overtime losses this season. It's insane.
Last night was in a shootout, so we'll talk about
that a little bit. Also, we'll get into Mike Homer,
who's gonna join us at two pm today. Oh boys
are a big game this week, huh Seattle and the Rams.
We'll talk about that with coach Holmgren at two and
then I've got a Factor of Fiction pick coming up

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world's of college athletics as we went to break there
with Stuart Mandell. Percy Allen from The Times, first to

(31:47):
tweet this out a short time ago and through a
variety of phone calls. And I'm not gonna complain about
the length of a commercials today, thankfully we h we
have to for a McCoys out. As the athletic director
at Washington State University, doctor Elizabeth Cantwell, who is the
new president of the WSU system. Remember it's not just Pullman,

(32:09):
it's Pullman, Vancouver Spokanne, Try Cities, Everett. But she's a
new president and I don't know how they're going to
term it, Jess. I'm told it could be announced as
an early retirement. It doesn't matter. She's done. And let

(32:30):
me just say a couple of things. One, I like Anne.
We had her in studio when she was first hired.
We've had her on a couple other times. She replaced
the former athletic director who went to Washington in a really,
really challenging time, a job that probably anybody that was

(32:51):
a sitting athletic director wouldn't take. With the uncertainty of
what was going on. That was pre Mountain West teams
coming and forming the new PAC twelve. It was before
TV contracts were done. President Schultz was still there, but
he had kind of one foot out the door. It
was a real I mean, it was an implied make
an argument among among schools that had football programs Division

(33:16):
and football programs in the country, could have been the
worst athletic director's job there was because of all the
uncertainty and took over as a long time employee there,
long time assistant athletic director, and did her very best.
But you're around it every week, yep, I've I'm around
it enough and hear enough and talked to enough people.
A change need to be made. Doctor Cantwell has kind

(33:39):
of cleaned house on upper campus as well with some
other high ranking positions, quietly as there's a lot of
folks that were there for a long time that aren't
there anymore. Personally, as a I applaud whatever effort it
takes to do things like get admissions up and get

(34:00):
the athletic department back on its feet. There's only so
much you can do athletically obviously with the situation they're
going through right now. But frankly, when you're behind most
of the other schools coming into the new PAC twelve
in fundraising and il everything else changed. How to be
made game by experience has been an absolute an app
and I'm talking about football. The football game by experience

(34:21):
this year, by all accounts, has been an absolute unmitigated disaster. Concessions,
lines to get in parking, the changes they've made, it
has been a horrible situation this year. And you're there
Mike goes.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
He know he's there.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
And the thing with that is that's the front door.
That's the front door. If you can't get that right,
how can you go to someone and get them to
spend the money you need to sustain a high level
athletic department if you can't even get your damn concessions
correct it.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That was late in the game for them to add
alcohol sales in the.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Matter, when you're running out of water on an eighty
degree day, that's why you can't get people in the
stadium on time, when parking is an absolute joke. So
that's what we're hearing. Not sure how the announcements can
be made, when it's gonna be made, or how it
will be framed, but I'll tell you it should be
framed in terms.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
She's out.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Yes, I just a little bit of news that actually
was announced a little quietly earlier today. Ikukabu, who is
the deputy assistant athletic director, is leaving for Utah State
and just confirmed that as well. So there when I
always thought that he would be an athletic director somewhere,
I thought maybe he would follow in Ann's footsteps here

(35:47):
at Washington State, except that he got the Utah State
job there, I think in the same capacity he served
at Washington State. But there is a mess exodus by
choice or not.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right now? Yeah, they're they're they're moving on. And uh,
like I said, she took over an impossible job. She
navigated some heavy, heavy waters and some rough sailing for
a while. But to take that next step again, however
they frame it, and it could be framed as a retirement,
it doesn't matter. I can tell you right now, she's
getting fired. It's that simple.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
And sometimes there are tea leaves to be rented.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, and and probably it probably should be, Hey, you're
you're going to retire. She's done. She's worked at the
university for a couple decades and probably deserves years. Yeah,
and probably deserves that. But uh, yeah, good. I'll just say,
I'm you know, after the initial stun war off and
we started making some calls, I'm I'm glad we need
to take that next step, and it wasn't happening. An

(36:45):
athletic director today has to be a couple of things,
but first and foremost has to be a fundraiser, and
that wasn't her strength. She'll admit that. I'm sure and
the state of athletics over there is not good, just
isn't and I think because of that we've seen a
decline in enrollment. Among other things, the COVID situation has

(37:07):
helped as hurt enrollment at schools all across the state,
across the country, frankly, but that's why she made some
changes in that area as well, and on uper campus.
But yeah, so there you go. Percy Allen first, the
reporter from the Times, and the two of us have
been working hard to confirm through a variety of different
sources in the last a little while that isn't too true.

(37:27):
She is out so Washington State looking for a new
athletic director.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
And some others on that support.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And some others on that support, and my understandings, a
couple of pretty good people that they've hired, the guy
from Oregon supposed to be really very good, and a
couple others. But yeah, they need to make some changes.
So yeah, new athletic director comes to to Washington State
at some point. We'll wait and see what the release
says and on. But president can't well taking over for
President Schultz who kind of mailed it in as last

(37:55):
year or so, there did not live their previous athletic
director who really had one foot out the door his
final a year and a half there, and I was
no Bill Moose fan. I'll be honest with you in
any way, shape or form. But he did get things done,
even if he put us in debt. He got things done.
Hasn't really been the same since. Hasn't been the same since.

(38:15):
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Speaker 1 (40:44):
Hello, sir, how are you?

Speaker 6 (40:46):
I'm doing good? My friend had a pretty good, pretty
good game last week?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Wow? Wow? Is that just a coach's dream when you
can just you know, the defense scores a couple of touchdowns,
you're an offensive play call, You're like, we're good. We're
done for the day. Thanks a lot, thanks for coming.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
We're we're done. Yeah. Now I just have to don't
don't fumble the ball, don't peddle, you know, I'll just
call plays and we'll get through this.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Get it over with the Actually, I'm gonna just real
quickly looking back on that real fast along those lines,
because I mean, I think Donald through it. Two passes
the second half. One was intercepted. I mean it was
just kind of the Offensively, they kind of mailed it
in the second half, and I get why what they
were doing is that kind of like, hey, don't look
at anything in the second half Offensively that game it
was over at halftime.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Well, it kind of depends. You've seen teams that they
don't care. They're gonna pour it on and it's going
to happen that way. The only time I've been in
a game like that where I had to just shut
it down was against playing against Andy Reid, who was
my adopted son, and we were ahead of Philadelphia forty
to nothing with a lot of time left in the

(41:50):
third quarter. And so at that point I said, okay, enough,
I don't want pass, but getting hurt, I don't want
to get you know, we'll just run the ball every snap.
And I didn't throw the ball in the second half.
So but the other part of that is, you know,
I had a lot of friends in the coaching business,
and you compete like crazy, but then all of a sudden,

(42:11):
you know when it's done. You really do know when
it's done, and you don't want to stick guy's nose
in it.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I don't think, Mike, is that is that? Why is
that the difference really between college and NFL. I mean,
you coached in college with with Lavell at Uyu. It
feels like college is never it may never be over,
like you know, like in college, like teams come back,
crazy endings. We see it every Saturday night. The NFL,
you really kind of do know when it's over.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Right, You do know when it's over. And it's in college.
I think they're also shooting for playoff firsts and how
many points they score and all that kind of stuff.
But when I was coaching at BUYU, you know, we
we scored big against a lot of people, but there'd
be a time in the game every game and I
was on the sidelines and I wasn't calling the play

(42:56):
as Norm Chow was, but I was on the sidelines
sending them in and LaBelle would come over to me
and say, uh, don't throw it anymore. And that's all
we did. That's all we did. What are we supposed
to do? You know? But Norm would be on the
phone to me, he goes, he's coming towards you. Walkway quick,
move to the left. You know, he just wanted to

(43:17):
keep running it so or throwing it. But no, you're right.
In college football it's different.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Let me ask you about this week, and let me
go with the mindset I always and when I had
to interview those guys after games and there's a big
game coming up the next week or that was a
big game, I always tried to hit it off with
the pass with a preface of a question by saying, Hey,
I know every week is a championship week, blah blah blah,
because that's what Pete said, right, it was every week's

(43:44):
championship week. And and they they and they, you know what, Mike,
for a while, it worked for them. I mean, I'll
give him credit. For a while, it worked for them.
But if we're being honest, when you're playing say this year,
if you're playing the Jets or whoever, it's different than
when you've got this game against a little team called

(44:06):
the Los Angeles Rams and here we are in you know,
week twelve of the NFL season, and the Rams are
a week eleven, I guess, and it's the Rams. This
is a different game. How do you approach this game?
How do you think Mike McDonald approaches it? Because these
guys are human beings, the fifty three guys in that
locker room, Mike, they're human beings, right. They know they

(44:28):
know what's at stake. They know this is the biggest
game in the NFL this weekend, along with maybe the
Lions and the Eagles. How do you, as a coach
approach this game?

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Well, I think you have to respect the players and
their intelligence. First of all, Yes, is that like what
you said? They know, they know what this game means,
who they're playing, and things like that. And so the
best way I handled it was, listen, there are going
to be times you might hear me say this in
a press commerce or read it. You know, we take

(44:58):
one game at a time, but you guys know that
this is a different deal this week, and so we're
going to prepare a certain way. But you keep that
in your mind. This is different the players that I
had over the years, anytime we played the forty nine ers.
You know, so any time we played the forty nine ers,
whether I was in Green Bay or in Seattle, the

(45:20):
players would say he's different this week, he's different. And
I think it was a compliment. I don't know, but no,
and I couldn't you try and hide it, but you
can't hide it.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
So how are practices? I mean, do you have to
kind of catch yourself as a coach and a coaching
staff because there's more pressure, there's more at stake. Do
you have to kind of catch yourself or I just
I mean, I bring all this up for this reason. Mike,
and you and I have talked for a long time,
and that's why I love having your perspective, because you
just said you got to respect the players intelligence. They're

(45:54):
going to say all the same things whether it's Sean
McVay or Mike McDonald. There's a human element involved here.
There's emotions involved.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Here, right, there is absolutely and so but that you know,
and you've been at this a long time and you've
you've heard coach speak I call it, and different things.
You go, I've heard that before, and then you kind
of smile and write down whatever you write down, or
broadcast whatever you broadcast. But you know, and the players know.

(46:22):
There is a human element absolutely, And like I said,
I could not hide that from my guys when we
played teams that I had been associated with, you know,
when we were in Seattle and went back to Green
Bay and played that game my first trip back to
Green Bay. The players knew. I didn't have to say
anything that week. And so yeah, that's the NFL. They're

(46:45):
smart and they know. But your practice is I absolutely
I think showed that in practice from my perspective, you know,
and hopefully the players got a hold of it that way.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I think that's what's so impressive about what both teams
did last week. I know, for they are beat up
and so forth, but the fact that the Rams dismantled them,
and then the same thing with the Seahawks. I think
the fact that they took care of business by the Cardinals.
Both those teams knew what was at stake this week.
Both those teams knew the Rams the Seahawks what was
coming up. They both knew what was happening, right, and
they both just took care of business. I thought that,

(47:17):
to me was as impressive as anything with what happened
last week.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
It really was because you also saw some teams last
week in the NFL lose to teams they shouldn't lose to,
and so you run that risk a little bit too.
Not for a game of this magnitude, but when you
go in and you're a big favorite against the team,
maybe you all of them to Ford earlier in the season.

(47:42):
You have got to get be ready every week. And
in the game like this, you just look at the standings.
They're tied for the lead, they're ranked in the top
five in the in the in the in the NFL,
and they're both have in the back of their mind
super Bowl thoughts and so plus the fact that they're

(48:02):
the natural rivalry, it's the natural rivalry in the division.
So it's got it all. This is going to be
quite a week. This is going to be quite a game.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I just love it. I mean just I feel like
the NFL, we don't have enough of these games, you
know that. Just it feels like and they'll play again.
They've got a Thursday night game here in a few
weeks back here in Seattle. These two teams, but it
feels like they're two of the four or five best
teams in the NFC. Maybe the entire NFL coming up.
Mike holmbrin joining US Sean McVay is eleven and six
against the Seahawks two different coaches, but eleven and six

(48:32):
against the Seahawks and Sea team since he went to
Los Angeles, he's had some great success along the way.
What is it about Sean McVay and what the Rams
do offensively, defensively, just as a team, as as a
hole that impresses Mike Holmgrin.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
Well, I think, first of all, he's a very bright guy,
and he knows offense and he knows I believe he
gets the absolute best out of his players. I think
they play hard for him, they understand him and shows.
And having said that, now it helps to have Matthew Stafford,
and it helps to have that quarterback, and then they've

(49:07):
drafted well and you know what, he just he just
revs them up and he gets them going, and he
absolutely their team knows what this rivalry is all about.
And I remember interviewing him when he was in the
Super Bowl and I did that broadcast, and of course
I played for his grandpa, you know, in San Francisco
when he was a little squirt running around on the

(49:28):
field and we laughed, and he I was just so
impressed with first of all his knowledge, yeah, and actually
his kind of humility, and yet for all the success
he's had. So no, I'd love to play for him.
I know his players love him.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Matthew Stafford, you've did you coach against him at all?

Speaker 6 (49:50):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah, probably right about the time. Yeah, I guess. God, Actually,
now that I think of it, it's been seventeen years. Yeah,
it's been a while. Stafford's old, but he guess he's
not quite that old yet.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
So he can't with me.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
No, no, no, no, yeah, that's right. Yeah, so it's
been a while. You have two thousand and nine Anders
City commun League. When you watch this quarterback play, the
thing that impresses me about him Mike and I maybe
this is a bad comparison. And a few Millin's listening.
He's gonna text me later and say, what are you thinking?
Have I taught you nothing? But I watch him. I

(50:27):
look at him and I think of him as a
better Ben Roethlisberger. But here's why. You know Roethlisberger as
you unfortunately well know, hard guy to bring down, right,
Like hard guy, like a big body guy, hard guy.
To bring down. But part of what he did is
he got rid of the ball quick. But also he
had those and you can talk about the traits of quarterbacks.
They have that little ability to just step for a

(50:47):
second in the in the in the pocket right, like
you're not going to outrun guys all the time, but
you're mobile enough and elusive enough. And it kind of
feels like he has a little bit of bend in
him in that regard. But that's just me. What what
do you see in Matt Stafford?

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Oh no, I couldn't agree with you more. I think,
first of all, he's played a long time and he
really knows his system and he knows when he's in
trouble and he has a great feel for that unless
he gets hit from the backside and he can't see it.
But if he's got his protection down, he goes okay,
and now I'm gonna deal with this stuff on the

(51:21):
front side. Here, he knows when he has to deliver
the ball, and he's so accurate even when he gets
jammed up in trouble. And you'd never say, you'd never
call him a running quarterback. You wouldn't do that. So,
but he does have the ability as you pointed out,
to get out of jams, throw the ball quickly, know

(51:42):
where his checkdowns are. He's played a long time and
I think he's he's really shown that even more this season.
He's had a great season so far.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
The pukin Nakua. Davante Adams, by the way, they just
said a minute ago, Davante Adams, I didn't practice, I
guess today, but he will play, McVeigh said on Sunday.
So to me, I kind of I'm looking at just
if you look at offense versus offense. You know, Stafford's
going to the Hall of Fame, Donald's having a great career,
our great year two years really Pokinakua, DeVante Adams and

(52:12):
then JSN against and I don't know who number two
is this week. If it's going to be Tory Horton,
if it's going to be Cooper Cup, if it's going
to be Rashid Shiheed, Kyron Williams a little bit more
effective than say Ken Walker, and they still can't decide
who their number one running back is the Seahawks, that is,
I feel like the Rams are a little better offensively

(52:32):
than Seattle, at least right now, I know we can
look at any number imaginable. But do you think the
Rams have a little bit of an advantage on the
offensive side.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
I think they do. I think they do, and I think,
like you like Nikok, he's really good. I mean, he
is really good. And you could say the same thing
by JSM, But you know, I mean the I just
think they have a little slight advantage, not much the
way that Donald's playing and stuff. And I think you
also can points to the offensive line for the Rams

(53:03):
are a little more experienced, been there longer so, but listen,
it's a pick them game. In my opinion, it really.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Is Seahawk defense against Stafford in that offense. What we've
seen with that team, especially upfront, has been really impressive
so far, certainly was last week. This is a different
beast and a different animal. What must that defense do?

Speaker 6 (53:29):
Well, they got it well. We just talked about Stafford
handling the pressure, but they got to continue with the pressure.
They have just got to make him as uncomfortable as
he can be in the pocket, and that's not an
easy chore because he really handles it well. But the
way they got after the quarterback last week, I mean,
and the push that they got inside there was not

(53:50):
a lot of room to step up. Be said that
he just couldn't. There's no room there. And so if
they can do that, I mean not if they can,
I think they have to do that. That's how they
have to play it.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
That pressure came a lot of times from the middle, right,
I mean, that's the impossible thing for a quarterback, right.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah, I mean, you know Leonard Williams, he's having a
great year, and the pressure did come up the middle.
You know the edge pass. Well. The one thing about
both Stafford and the quarterback they played last week, they're
not running threats, so you kind of know where the
throwing point is going to be, and that, in some

(54:29):
respects is an advantage to the defense. You don't have
to worry too much about them scrambling out of trouble.
You can just take off and go keep them in
the pocket, make him throw from there. But then you
get that push up the middle, and then it can
becomes very hard. You know the New York Giants and
years ago when we play them, when Joe Montana was there,
that's what The push right up the middle gave us

(54:51):
more problems, in my opinion than Lawrence Taylor and those
guys on the outside, you know, because he felt squeezed
and they kept him in the pocket. Pocket guy.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Anyway, they have a great pass rush, they have a
great defensive front. Does do the rams, Sam Donald, And
I asked you about this. I'd love to get your thought.
Like watching it was the first series, it was probably
what two or three plays before the touchdown pass to
Jackson Smith and Jigba, and Donald did like a bootleg

(55:22):
and he rolled out to his left Mike if you
remember that, and then he threw back from his left,
rolling to his left, threw back to his right and
hit JSN. Great route and great read, I think by
JSN as you articulated, But like most quarterbacks can't make
that throw. Is that kind of one of those little
things that just a little thing that separates Donald and
probably gives Kubiak a little bit more flexibility?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
You know. I'm glad you mentioned that because I've noticed
that as well so far this season that oftentimes and
I would do this. You know, if your quarterback's going
to be moving, he's going to be moving to his
right if he's right handed, because it is a little
more difficult going to your left and then throwing you know,

(56:03):
back to the right or so on, whatever he has
to do, but he has shown the ability to do that.
They do boot legs, they do all sorts of stuff
where he's coming out fast to the left side and
then throwing. And he's obviously shown that ability and practice
and he does it. He does it pretty consistently. So
that's a huge plus if a quarterback can do that,

(56:25):
and he he has shown he can do that.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, I just I've been so impressed with Darnold. They
still got to run the ball, Mike, They just still
have to run the ball. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
I mean sound like the line coach at Whitworth. You know.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
That Big Jake Rogers play in the NFL, and Jake
would say the same thing he tell you tell a
young left tackle, get, we've got to run the ball better, buddy,
to run the ball better. Actually what Worth does run
Shout out to Louis Suagotto. They just won the conference
title again. But hey, I just like we've talked about
it a million times. I don't think it's going to change.
It just feels like we're still going to rotate, right,
They're still going to go sharbon Ay Walker Walker sharbon Ay, right,

(57:02):
it just does. It feels like that's just not going
to change.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
You know, I thought it was going to change, and
I thought Walker would get the majority of the snaps.
In fact, I was kind of pushing for that because
he's a very talented back. But sharbon Ay last week,
oh my goodness, he he that one drive. They just
kept handling the ball. The other team knew they were
going to run the ball and no one cared bang

(57:26):
And then what he did on the touchdown was very
very impressed. He's really good too. So you know, listen,
I'm not too proud to say I problem. Maybe I
was wrong and giving him a different type of split.
They know better than I do, and that's how they're
handling it. But I was a little surprised. But after
last week, Sharboney has to play.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Well, and you know what, the Rams kind of do
the same thing with Kyra and Williams as her lead back.
But we see a lot more Blake Korum, the second
year back from Michigan this year than we did the
year before. Final thing. They'll go with Ula Ula at
Timmi at center this week. He played a good chunk
of the game the other day He's played some good
football for Seattle. I'm not so sure he wouldn't have
won the job in training camp if he didn't get

(58:08):
hurt his back, you know, like I'm not, I'm not
quite sure if that would have happened. Sundell's been solid
for them. I wonder if, quietly, and I know we
want to compete in it's the NFL and all those things.
I'm wondering quietly if if Olu is going to go
in there and maybe just give them a little bit
more than than Sundell gave him.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
You know what, I was thinking of the same thing,
because you're right in in preseason in my conversations, I
was pretty sure that he prohops was last name Timmy,
that he was going to be the guy. You know,
he he They were looking at that, and then he

(58:47):
got hurt and you got to give credit to the
the next center that came in and he has done
a good job. But if if he's over his injury
and he can play like he was playing earlier prior
to making the choice who was going to be the center,
then I think they're fine. You know, they just have
to make sure they get the snap right. You know,

(59:08):
his first snap in the game. They fumbled the snap.
And I've been there where you get a new center
come in and you haven't been taking and so it's
a snap from center. What's the big deal? But there
is a teaching, there is a progress there to getting
comfortable with that, and they've fumbled, and but I think
from that they learned and it shouldn't happen again.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Well, I'll tell you this, Mike. I'll tell you this.
Like you said, it's we're all kind of looking forward
to this game. It's just one of those regular season
games that you settle in at one o'clock on Fox
thirteen on Sunday afternoon and sit back and we'll see
what happens and see if McVeigh continues his worderline dominance
against Seattle, or if Mike McDonald's able to flip the

(59:50):
script and switch things up on him, if Sam Darneld
makes a difference compared to Gino, and and then you
know what, you'll talk about it tomorrow with Softy and
then Monday morning Quarterback with Chuck and Bucky and Hugh
will come up on Monday, and you'll have a whole
lot to talk about on Monday, Mike and I'll look
forward to all those.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Well, thanks, and you know what, it's going to be
a great game. It really is, and I like to
see good football. I think the Rams coming in, you know,
the last couple of games, I wasn't very impressed with
the opponent, to be honest with you, No, but this
isn't going to be a different game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I think for both teams. Even San Francisco is
banged up as they were, they didn't give much much
for them to fight for last week with the Rams either,
So upgrading competition all the way around. Mike, great stuff
as always, we appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
Thanks, Bud.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
There you go. That's Mike O. Longrin joining us here
on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. Great stuff from coach Holgren
as always. Again, he'll be tomorrow on with Softy as
well and Dick Fain right before Thursday Night football. All right,
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Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
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Know, going to games and sitting in the suite. Those
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Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
So I've I've had some nights with some farmers who
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Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
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Where did he? Where do you stand on bunting?

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I would assume he hated it like I do. Okay,
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Baseball guys have that little thing. Hate bunting, hate bunting.
Crawford bunting. Yes, he's mostly hates bunting. Nathan, I'm I'm
sure he hates bunting. Well, he hates everything, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I'm the old man here, so I don't know what
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Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
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Speaker 10 (01:09:26):
Hey, Uh, doctor McCoy, what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
What's the deal?

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I think the simple answer is, well, there's multiple answers.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
She was probably a placeholder when the other guy left
Patch that guy yeah, and he.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
I think when he left that at that point, no conference,
it was just you in Oregon State. And I asked somebody,
I thought President Schultz was on the way out out.
He wasn't officially on the way out, but I think
the general feeling was he was on the way out.
You're not going to get anybody worth their salt at

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that point, she'd been there for twenty five years. They
bumped her up. She's not a fundraiser and you know
what the most important thing is, and as an athletic
director say, it's fun raising money. That just wasn't her strength. No,
because she was I don't know who you're a long
time associate A d is there was the woman that
took over when.

Speaker 10 (01:10:25):
Shannon Kelly has been there forever. She's the one that
too go on the interim basis No when Jen when
when Troy Daniel left, it was god her her name
is Well, I bring that up for this reason. Nice lady.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
You have a lot of people. You have a lot
of people in athletic department that that are like you know,
they're athletic administrators. They oversee whatever sports that would be
you know, soccer, baseball Connell.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Yes, I'm sorry, Aaron, I apologize. God.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I think Anne would be a good comp for that, Like,
you know, what's your job. I oversee all these other
sports and athletics. I'm not really a fundraate, right, And
I think they bumped her up at that time. We
have a new school president. She came in last week.
She had a little town hall meeting in Spokane, I think,
and she did this whole thing about we're behind on nil,
we're behind on this, that and the other thing. And

(01:11:14):
she's already I found out today she's already fired about
half of upper campus, right, like old and Wheat and Dave.
I'm gonna tell you right now, there was some old
dead weight there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Well that's the thing, man.

Speaker 10 (01:11:24):
You go around the country, you see all these athletic
department staffs, and there's a lot of people working there
that you know, you wonder kind of what do they do?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
For God's sakes.

Speaker 10 (01:11:34):
I mean, I don't know everybody who works at U
DUB and the people that I do know worked their
ass off.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I was out there in Wisconsin over.

Speaker 10 (01:11:40):
The weekend, and you know, I ran into Pat John
and Kurt Swaboda and you know, Damon Hewart's doing his
thing out there. There's a bunch of donors on the
trip going to Wisconsin. So you know, this is all
part of it, right, It's all part of making people
feel like they're special, I guess, and that they're what
they're needed is probably a better way to put it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Because they are needed, They're desperately needed. So I mean,
where do.

Speaker 10 (01:12:00):
You think the money comes from to pay these coaches
off when they get fired? Like people think that the
fifty million dollars that Brian Kelly is getting from LSU
is going to come out of a kiddy that otherwise
would have gone to the women's volleyball team.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
That's nonsense.

Speaker 10 (01:12:13):
Somebody's stepping up and they're saying, I will pay the
bill to get rid of this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Now what happened in Penn State, they had to stay.
We want to fire Fisher.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
My Gundy, all these guys.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
So yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
So that's what's fundraising.

Speaker 10 (01:12:27):
Is the problem with that is that there's only so
many whales and so many people who can write checks
like that. And if you're asking me to write a
check to get rid of a head coach, then don't
be asking me to write a check to pay for
your new basketball arena. That's like one or the other.
That's the problem with some of these people with some
of some of them have such deep pockets it doesn't matter.
But like you know, you, deb doesn't have the whale
that Oregon's got, right, they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
They don't have t boom pickings, but they've got it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
But I think I think most schools I would think this,
Maybe I'm wrong. I think most schools. And let's just
use the old PAC twelve, right, doesn't matter. Well, Calen
Stanford little different because they're just nerds. But let's just
let's let's choose.

Speaker 10 (01:13:06):
Let's use you have plenty of money, trust me, let's
don't want to spend it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Let's choose like the land Grand Schools, Arizona State, Washington State,
Oregon State, or even in Arizona what have you? Utah, Right,
there's enough people that graduate from those schools that make
a multimillionaire, right that you can go to the problem
is finding the right person to go to them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
And spend it on sports and issue.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
I mean, look, I'm you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Def have a massive endowment for education that they can't
dip into.

Speaker 10 (01:13:34):
Okay, I can't give you millions of dollars. I'm spending
money on trying to cure cancer. Like, what do you
want from me?

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:13:40):
I mean I got bigger fish to fry over here, man,
So I don't know, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Don't care about doing that in the South.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
I never met her.

Speaker 10 (01:13:46):
Actually I did exactly about that thing. Just let him
figure and an alf for him. Sale need touchdowns, man. I
actually met her one time and she seemed like a
nice lady. So whatever, I wish her will, but she
was nicely. I don't have any I would just I would.
I'm sorry for you guys. No, you know what, nice lady. Yeah,
time for change. Okay, good that happens. That happens, Yeah,

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it happens.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
So I wonder if she would still be there if
she kept her previous title was the twenty five Years.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah, because he didn't make it was it was very
Dan Wilson, like, right, what, you're not the interim, which
you probably should have been. You're just it.

Speaker 10 (01:14:24):
Wasn't see the interim for a while a couple of months,
and decided to just give her the official title.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Just because at that point you're like, I probably can't
get anybody else. What are you got coming on?

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Let's see Wednesday, Florio Petros Harlan.

Speaker 10 (01:14:37):
Today petrels uh cranky as always, so we'll talk to
him at four o'clock this afternoon. Brian Schmetzro was on
the show today because he couldn't make it yesterday, which
I understand he needed a day to mourn.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
You haven't told him what I said?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
No, not yet, Yeah, alright, but I will tell him.

Speaker 10 (01:14:54):
I will tell him, okay that you think you should
be like Anne McCoy and dismissed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I'll tell him that, No, that was what I said.
I thought you said that. What I say said something
like coaching change. I said he was out coached.

Speaker 10 (01:15:04):
Oh oh yeah, So will you record that and I
can just play it for him and tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I like, Ryan, I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Think you were out coached in that game on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Because he said so.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
It's hard to be out coached when you know what
you can do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
You can do that, you can do the favorite question
that people ask in locker rooms all the time. Hey,
people fans that say for fans to say, or people
are saying, that's.

Speaker 10 (01:15:25):
Right, that's right. It's an old trick. In the business
and it's like with you, and I mean, was he
really out coached in the PK?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
They they outscored their opponent in all three games.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
What I'm saying is this, you were playing one man
up and you got two goals scored on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Yes, that's the big issue. I'll tell him you said that,
Just say that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
I've got no problem filming.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
For the mild mannered and marginally objectionable the infness. This
is paddle day saying so long everyone,

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