Furness Show 11-19: Jerry Dipoto reaction, Stewart Mandel, Mike Holmgren

MLB has a new television deal and while it's confusing, Ian tries to make sense of it for you, especially what it will cost. Jerry Dipoto joined Chuck and Buck this morning and we listen back to what he had to say about the next potential moves.  Stewart Mandel, The Athletic joins Ian to discuss the weekend that was in college football, who to look at when it comes to the CFP and where Washington stands right now.  The Daily Power Play!  Coach Holmgren joins Ian to discuss the Seahawks' loss to the Rams and what's standing out to him on the team right now. As always he gives us his institutional knowledge of the NFL and takes us through the headlines around the league.  FACT OR FICTION!  Crosstalk with Softy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So Jerry de Poto was on this morning. We got
Sumermandiel talking college football. Coming up at one twenty, Jerry
Potto was on this Morning with the Morning Show. You
can listen the whole thing on the iHeartRadio app. I
know that's free and you can, Yes, it is. You
can go download that right now. Listen to it on
the podcast page with Chuck and Bucky talking to Poto
for hours on end. But honestly, this is just selfish

(00:22):
on my part, but hopefully everyone else is kind of
sharing the same thing. My big I didn't hear it,
but my biggest thing would be Okay, that's cool. Naylor signed, awesome,
great step in the right direction. What's next? What will
you spend.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
After riding excuse me the high of what we all
got to ride along with what you guys did there.
I mean, is the is the idea to continue to
move forward in the way of spending or is it
trying to stay the same or is it trying to
be creative and move some things around.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
You know, we've been we've been moving forward for years.
I We may not move forward at a pace that
that pleases every band or listener, but we've grown our payroll,
and that's impossible season, it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
They don't spend enough money.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm guessing we're gonna come just a little shy of
the Dodgers. But you know, we'll continue to grow our payroll.
It's it's what we do. And you know we've and
part of that is when you have you know, good
young players who are growing, they're in the arbitration system,
you know, obviously bringing in a free agent of Josh's status,
and and we plan on continuing to play in the

(01:30):
free agent market and fill some some voids. But you know,
from a team building perspective, you know, I said at
the end of the season, our our starting point for
twenty twenty six is where we finished twenty five, and
we finished twenty five with you know, the highest or
second highest payroll and the history of the franchise, depending
on where you put, uh, you know, the last dollar,

(01:52):
it's it's very close. But you know, we're we are growing,
we are aggressive, we are looking to get better. We'd
like to at least another bat to that lineup, and
we really want to beef up the bullpen and add
to the middle and even the leverage arm. If the
possibility exists, and whether that's free agency, trade whatever, we're

(02:12):
just looking to add the best players we can.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Jerry Depoto is with us to isolate a part of
that question and answer. I mean, you said at the
end of the year that we're probably going to start
next year with a payroll similar to the one that
we ended with, and of course that's not written in stone.
But when you spend eighteen and a half million on
one player, and you're also talking about trying to keep
Polanco and or Sworez as well, boy, that money that

(02:38):
really gets burned up rather quickly. So I wanted to
isolate the part of Bucky's question about whether or not
you feel like you might have to move some money around,
move a salary out in order to create some of
that leverage to add to the team.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I mean, I guess it depends what we're adding. You know,
we're always open to any type of thought, but you know,
the idea of bringing the team back in some form
to what the twenty five team look like moving players
off kind of defeats that purpose. So we're very comfortable
with the level of talent that exists on our team.
I think as we sit here in the middle of November.

(03:18):
I do believe we're one of the most complete or
most talented teams in the American League, So pulling away
from that team would kind of defeat the purpose, which
is why I answered the question as I did, which
you know, market forces will have to get a little
lucky for all that to.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Work for us.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
But you know, we were very comfortable with the depth
that we've created in our starting rotation. We like the
way you know, our lineup looks. We do want to
continue to provide opportunity for young players. That's a foundational
part of what we do, and we have good young players,
so finding that balance. Striking that balance is important, you know,

(03:56):
which is why a guy like Korge is such a
pivotal guy in our lineup. Last year, he could do
a little third, he could do some second, he could eight,
He's even now played some first base and the switch hitter.
That versatility allows us to continue to develop a team.
And you know, going out and finding players that can
do that is paramount for us, and we'll continue to

(04:18):
look whether it's woor He or somebody else.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
So the couple things. One when they talk about payroll
and being larger than it's been it's the world's more
expensive today than it was five years ago. Don't go
down that road. Two, it's a self imposed salary cap.
What you spend is what you and not him. I'm

(04:43):
sure if Jerry had his brothers, he would spend more money.
But the any kind of spending is self imposed by ownership.
This isn't where. This isn't the NFL where John Schneider
had to get rid of salaries because for the rules
for the rules. Yes, this isn't the Kraken where they
have a hard cap in the NHL where you have
to play salary cap gymnastics on a day to day basis,

(05:05):
because trust me, that ownership group wouldn't care lt I
R all that stuff. They would spend money and they
would bring guys in. They would have been in the
and the sweepstakes for every You know. It just that's
that's how it works. And baseball's different. There is no
salary cap, so it's self imposed. But Two, I think
you have to really like what he said, yes about
the end about like the thought is there's there's a
there's a prevailing thought, and I know Chuck has it.

(05:27):
He talked about this morning before the interview like they
want they are they going to move Castill doesn't sound
like they want to. That's good, Yes, that's very very good.
Let's not player, he's one of the good players. Yes,
why would you move him? That makes you worse than
you were last year. That doesn't help you. You want
to move forward, not backwards. Signing nail Or is status quo.

(05:48):
Correct doesn't move you forward. It keeps you where you
were because right now now you're not as good as
you were last year because Plank's not back yet. Correct Gino,
I'm gonna just push aside because honestly, he doesn't He's
not going to help you.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
He's clubhouse guy, but he's not gonna help you.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
He's not gonna help you. He just isn't gonna help
you from a baseball standpoint, for what you'd have to
probably pay him. It just that that part of it
needs to give you a discount. Right, And I think
Softy brought up the other day they need a better
right fielder. They probably need not Geno, but a better
third basement. Right, you need to figure out what you
can do at second base. You know, is it polonical

(06:22):
part of the time, is it cool? Young? Part of
the time is Polanco gonna be your DH the other
half of the time. But I did like what Jerry
said about hey like moving guys to create payroll flexibility
is basically what he's saying. That doesn't help you get better,
and it doesn't, which is good like I because my
thought would be, you've got look at the injuries that
happened in that rotation last season. You got five guys,

(06:45):
you're gonna need seven, eight, whatever it might be. So
let's keep those top five guys fill in the blanks
with somebody else. If when those guys inevitably somebody gets hurt,
you know, tears, a fingernail, has whatever stiffness in his
you know, foxer, forearm, flexer. With all these baseball injuries are,
it's going to happen. And if you take Castillo off,

(07:05):
just there's a domino effect. All of a sudden, you're
not as good as you were last year because you
don't have him. Then somebody else gets hurt. Now you're
down to three or two. That's not good. But I
like what he said there. I don't like when he
says stuff like, you know, we're a higher paid roll again,
stop as what was everybody and everything. But I do
like when he says we can't take basically, we don't
want to take a step backwards.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
And I think that's a response to what they did
after twenty twenty three, right, They kind of they were like, yeah,
we don't want to bring Geno backs. They traded him
and then they got didn't bring back ta Oscar. So
they kind of lowered themselves in that department, but then
tried to make it up in other ways. But now
they're just like, you know what, we believe in our team.
We're going to keep the guys that we possibly can
and incrementally build from there.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
There's been a hand every year since then, they've they've
signed like these three or four guys that are just
at the end of their career that are just absolute slappies,
that have no business even collecting a Major League Baseball
check anymore. And it's never worked out. And you turf
those guys, you get rid of them, you move on,
what have you keep what you've got. And he said
that he did mention the young guys, and I like
to hear that, Yes, so instead of bringing in the

(08:05):
guy that used to be good, who is the guy
this year? I mean who was the guy? God help
us man?

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Oh yeah, thirty pretty no.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
More Donovan Solonos, gimme Cole Young or whatever they minor
league got, whatever it is, Okay, so I'll do that. Okay,
good stuff. Whole thing's up there on the website. Go
check it out, and or on the podcast page as well.
Let's talk college football next.

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Speaker 1 (09:05):
All right, welcome back Sports Radio ninety three point three KFM.
Me infnts with you and our weekly visit was Stuart Mandel.
As we head down the home stretch of the college
football season, college football playoff rankings are there for us
to decide. There's coaching carousel moves changes, there's private equity.
There's all kinds of stuff going on. Man, Stuart, how
are you wow when you.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Put it that way? Yeah, there is a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
There's so much. You did this on your pod. I
thought was really good. I want to do this real
quick and then move on to football. But you know
the story about the private equity firm, which is what
the retirement fund for the UC college system I believe
out of California. It wants to invest in the Big ten.
There's all kinds of money for now is on hold.

(09:51):
The interesting part I found with it was the tier
system that kind of puts at least USC off a
little bit. And Michigan was in that top tier. But
they don't like to do it. So those two schools
are saying no, it's what sounds like it's a pause.
Can you explain basically, once this private equity firm invested

(10:12):
the money being distributed there there were is it two
or three or four tiers? How is that going to work?

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah? So I have to have to make the key
distinction that it's not a private equity firm, like you said,
it's a it's a it's basically a part of the
UC California system that manages their country plan. And by
the way, I didn't know two weeks ago that that
was a thing. They would pay two point four billion upfront.
The conferences are going to pay that out in tiers,

(10:39):
like you said, based on I don't know whether clearly
there's some there's when there's a valuation done, it's like
they know exactly they are able to quantify who contributes
what to the value of that company. And so it
was decreed that Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State are in
that upper tier, and USC Oregon or in the next one.
And I don't actually know how neither are after that,

(11:00):
but those are clearly the two top ones.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I found that interesting from this standpoint. Now, listen, I
am far from a U doub apologist. I'm the opposite
of U doub apologists. I like when things don't go
Udub's way. That makes me happy, puts a smile on
my face. But I was a little surprised by like
media market twelve seventy six thousand seat stadium, a team
that was in the college football Playoff a couple of
years ago. I know it's more than just that, but

(11:25):
I was I was surprised to hear that Washington at
best would be a Tier three school in that scenario.
That's surprised. Does you surprise you at Allsto, you're out west.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
No, If it's I assume it's based at least in
part on TV ratings, maybe a large part, right, because
you're talking about this firm would be taking a stake
basically in their media revenue. In that Fox CBS NBC
deal that pays the conference over a billion dollars a year,
they're getting a cut of that. And so I'm sure
when Fox CBS NBC put in their bid it was

(12:00):
based on exactly how many rating points they can expect
each program to contribute, and you know, just kind of
I look at TV ratings a lot and he just
kind of ballpark. Yeah, I don't think Washington. They certainly
did the year they went to the National title game, right, right,
Like these things are static year to year, But in general,
what they're looking at it over what a ten period,
fifteen year, whatever period they're looking at it. No, they're

(12:22):
not at the level of the first five we mentioned.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Stuer Mandel joining us from the athletic All right, let's
get into coaching for a second. The Lane Kiffin thing
seem it seems like it changes by the moments, the
like are is his family looking at other places, you know,
touring cities, count towns, campuses. Well, he's not. He goes
on the Pat McAfee show, I guess says that's not true,
that the school's given an ultimatum. And from what you

(12:47):
can gather, where are we at with Lane Kiffin? Because
it feels like until he decides what his future is,
all these other Power five jobs are going to remain open,
right like he has to be the He's kind of
the domino.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
It's an unprecedented situation which I feel like, I say
a lot in collegooball these days for two schools to
be openly courting a guy in the middle of the
season and apparently expecting an answer sooner than later. You know,
I know what he said on the Pat McBee show,
whether her you know, and maybe it was a matter
of semantics, but you know, it's definitely been made clear

(13:23):
to him. They expect it all miss expects a decision
before the Egg Bowl. In terms of like what would
they do if he didn't give him a decision? I
don't know. Maybe they don't know, but for the for
everybody's you know, ability to plan going forward, they would
like resolution to it by then, because I think if
he does end up taking a different job, they're probably
not going to want him to coach their team in

(13:44):
the playoffs. And I also think, you know, we know
by the way that the flying the port and elso
used sending a plane to fly his family members to
come visit is crazy. It's it's so like brazen that
they would do that. So, you know, if you're all
missed like link, Diffrin has delivered them to a place

(14:05):
they haven't been since the fifties and sixties. It's an
amazing season. But even they are probably like, I don't
know if we like being you know, strung along like this.
And it's kind of embarrassing that his wife or ex wife,
I don't even know who was on the plane is
torn campuses while we're trying to get our team, you know,

(14:25):
have a win the Egg Bowl and get to the playoffs.
So he has done nothing obviously to he says there's
no deadline, but he also won't say that he's you know,
he no comment in today on the SEC media call
about when he's asked about those flights. He has done
nothing to deny that this isn't happening.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
And that's a simple easy thing to do, isn't it.
Just say no or just say I'm staying. And if
he doesn't say any of those things, then it just
continues to lead to speculation, right which is a distraction
for his team. It's a distraction for those players. It's
his staff. I just I guess, yes, that's the part now, Lane,
I I don't know, Maybe I'm wrong here, Stuart. It
feels like Lane's the kind of guy that doesn't mind
the attention though he kind of enjoys this kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Oh yeah, for sure. And in some ways it's probably
stoking it.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Would you the jobs themselves. I just can't imagine LSU
is an attractive job right now. I know the history
and everything else, but man, it just seems like an
absolute gong show there with the politics involved, the government,
you know, the state, the governor involved, athletic director situation,
the expectations, what's the contract going to look like? And
they really do something that's not you know, a normal

(15:37):
big time college football contract with all kinds you know,
with all kinds of protections for the guy that signs it.
And then Florida is that's an interesting one. It's an
SEC school, but the expectations there through the roof, whereas
it feels like, oh, miss, he's got that thing going
right now. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, but
it just sometimes the grass isn't always green or Stewart

(15:57):
if you look at those three jobs, because it feels
like it's he's gonna have one of those three jobs
in twenty twenty six, which ones are the best ones?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you that the dysfunction
at LSU right now makes it hard to see why
he would go there. The governor even let it slip
that he'd been talking to him for two hours the
other day. But you know, sometimes these coaches, and especially
one with the confidence level of Lank Kiffin, saying doesn't matter.
You know if it's me, if I'm there, I'll make

(16:27):
it work. I'll be able to win. And so, I mean,
I think it clearly comes down to I don't think
LSU he's going to pick LSU over the others because
they can offer him thirteen million a year and the
other ones can only offer eleven point five million. It's
lang Kiff wants to win national championship and it's unclear
whether you can actually do that at all. Miss they're
having a great season, they've had a great run here,

(16:48):
but it's not like they've won a national title anytime
in recent history. But LSU and Florida have and he
may feel like to really ascend to the top like
and that goal, I need to go to one of them.
But you know, it is a little You should always
be careful in your coach and the thing you hear
coaches talk about all the time is the importance of alignment.

(17:10):
And ole Miss has great alignment from its administration through
to its collective and to the athletic department. LSU has
no alignment right.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now, Stu Amandel join us from the athletic I'm looking
here at the rankings as you say that. The question
comes to my mind right now, and this is just
as abstract and subjective as it gets to So I
apologize in advance, but I think it's an interesting discussion
point when we're talking about schools like ole Miss or Indiana.

(17:38):
Although Signette's there for a while, he signed the extension,
we were always there. How many teams do you think
in today's college football, which I guess could change in
a day, but in today's college football, how many programs
really can win a national championship?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yeah, that number kind of changes in my mind from
time to time. I certainly never would have considered Indiana
to be one of them. So I think in general
maybe six to eight, nearly all of which are in
the Big Ten and SEC. But the sport is changing
so rapidly that it might be that while Indiana's never
going to be a Alabama Georgia type program that does

(18:14):
this year in year out, but can they rise up
and win the national title one year? Possibly? I think
we're going to find out this year because I think
there's certainly one of the team's best position to do it.
But the sport, the transfer portal, has definitely flattened the
sport and made it harder for the top programs to
hoard all the talent. It's dispersed the talent a little

(18:37):
bit more, but there are still certain advantages that those me.
Look at Georgia right now, they were not looking like
a playoff team the first half of the year. They
look like the best team in the SEC now, and
that's you know that's the program that just they they
are never lacking for talent and even if it didn't
click right away, like those guys always there waiting to

(18:58):
come out, and now they are. And that's not something
the majority of programs are able to do.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
It's just you know, yeah, I agree with you. I mean,
I'm just kind of looking through even the list of
the college football playoff rankings right now, and you know,
trying to figure out like who's I mean, listen, to
USC did win a title, but it's been a long time,
right Miami, It's been a long time, you know, Alabama certainly,
the recency is there. I mean, you can look it
through all these schools, Georgia, but you're right, like I
just Ohio State obviously, Michigan for sure. But it's just

(19:26):
kind of it feels like, you know, if you're an
old miss, can you win a national championship. I don't know,
we'll find out what he does in the playoffs if
he sticks around. I'm fascinated by it, to be honest
with you too, I'm fascinated by that. I'm fascinated by Indiana.
Can Indiana take a run in the college football playoffs
this year? Like I'm curious about those things. A and
M's always played second fidle to Texas. Can they take
a run? They just survived one of the craziest second

(19:49):
halfs and first half of a game I've ever seen, Like,
can these teams take a run? And when you're one
and done? Kind of like March madness? Right, you never know,
but it's maybe who's playing the best this time of
the year might be Georgia.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
And the other thing I would just say about that
is when you mentioned ole Miss, I thought their team
last year could win the national championship cause they had
a first round quarterback, they had one of the best
defensive the lines in the country. They went all in
on the portal. I did not expect this team to
be the one that would make the playoffs and put
them in that position. Right, So I don't know that

(20:22):
this team is going to win the national championship, but
I don't think that means you never could at ole Miss.
But like I said, what Lane's been able to do
is probably better than almost anyone is. Okay, here are
our holes for next year. Here are the ten guys
we're going to go get in the portal and their
hit rate is so high. You know, it's not everybody
hits that rate, but that's a different way to run

(20:44):
your program, and frankly, leaving yourself vulnerable to having a
down year than the Alabamas in Georgia, who just okay,
here's another flass of five stars. Here's another class of
five stars. And we do have a few holes that
will go hit in the portal, but that's not how
we're building our team.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I wonder if Virginia Tech is one of those schools
at some point with James Franklin. He didn't get it
done at Penn State, but that's as a football first
school in a basketball conference, and that the stadium is phenomenal,
the atmosphere is phenomenal. I wonder if Franklin can take
that team to the next level.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think he can take him to the next level.
I don't know if that's national championship or not. Obviously
they got there with Michael Vick a long time ago.
That was a different sport. That was the two team
BCS and if you went I think it might have
been eleven and a zero that year and there weren't
more than two, then you were going to go to
the national title. Game as simple as that. But what
I think Virginia Tech, I think you get the nail
on the head. They've always been kind of sitting there

(21:39):
as a sleeping giant there because that's a big time
rabid football school. If you took Virginia Tech and plopped
it down in the SEC, they would fit right in.
And there's only a few schools of the ANCC. I
would say that about Florida State, Clempson, Miami, Virginia Tech.
Everybody else is at basketball school playing football, and so
that alone. If you have the right coach, and he
is certainly the most accomplished coach they've had since Frank Beemer,

(22:02):
you know you can win ACC championships.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
To do that, you're going to playoff, Yeah, including in
your own state. With Virginia arrival there basketball first. Even
without Tony Bennett, Alabama dropped six spots, Texas dropped seven.
Bunch of teams did move up one or two spots
along the way. Takeaways from Stuart Mandel on the college
football playoff rankings that were released yesterday. What jumped out
at you.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
I was surprised that Alabama dropped below Notre Dame because
I think Alabama's resume is clearly better. They mentioned what's
SASM in general is that we had an unexpected switch
and committee chairman right now, right, you're a check from
and I've never seen a committee chairman over the course
of his teleconference talk more about losses about who team's
lost to. That's probably not what this is supposed to

(22:45):
be about. And so he's mentioning Alabama's lost sight had
lost to Florida State, It's like, well, that had already
happened by the time he did last week's rankings. When
you have the number four, why is it a concern now? Also,
I don't think it's that big a deal because there's
a room for both of them. If Alabama wins out,
they'll be in the playoff, I'm pretty sure. But the
Notre Dame situation is relevant because you're kind of putting

(23:08):
a buffer there where Alabama's going to get in the
Notre Dame's going to get in. And of course, the
big controversy that reees Davis Assina about off the bat,
how can you not have Miami ahead of Notre Dame
head to head be saying, well, they're not really that close,
so we're not really invoking that yet you know, that
was the big takeaway from last night is that I
think Notre Dame's in better position than a lot of

(23:30):
people want them to be.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Things will take It always just feels like things do
take care of themselves. But you know, we'll see one
of those things will happen, probably this weekend. What I mean,
someone's well, maybe Oregon not done, but USC and Oregon
a USC loss and they're certainly done as far as
college football playoff considerations concerned. Oregon tenuous if they're at
ten and two, if they finished the season at ten
and too, they certainly can't lose the USC and Washington

(23:55):
and that's how they finish off their season, do the Ducks.
It's not the easiest schedule for sure. I'm gonna start
talking about schedule strength, But thoughts on USC Oregon because
that's kind of the maybe one of the, if not
the biggest games this weekend.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, I do look at it as an elimination game
because the committee does not have Oregon high enough I
think to survive a loss, and in particular because they
might finish the season with no top twenty five wins.
You know, I was there, Washington, was there at one point,
but as possible, they would just have no top twenty

(24:27):
five wins and have lost to the two best teams
they faced, and certainly ex elimination game for USC. If
USC wins, that's a big win for Lincoln Riley, right,
a big road win, and it puts them into the mix.
But I don't know that you would yet say, oh,
they're in the playoffs, and part of that is that
they will probably get boxed out by Notre Dame. I

(24:50):
don't that head to head result is more recent, and
you know, I don't.

Speaker 9 (24:56):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
That's that's one where I couldn't see them not honoring
the head to head you would need for USC, You
would need Notre Dame to move up a little bit
that they're hearned for you as well.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Uh is uh? Do you think Jed Fish is going
down to UCLA and the UCLA staff down there taking
an eye on a guy that has a history down
at us UCLA with the Huskies and UCLA this weekend?

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Is Hey, you're saying you can take a little campus.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
Store while there.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, I mean I don't know if the families, well,
I mean a family might come over from Arizona, right,
weather's nice. Probably what wasn't that last weekend? It wasn't
fast in La. But yeah, that's who knows.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Right, it'd be a weird be a weird move. I mean,
Washington's such a better job than UCLA at this point.
You talk about, you know, Washington callery ducks in a row,
UCLA does not. But I realized that that's not always
what is the determining factor. We'll see, But I don't.
I don't. He hasn't done enough at Washington to me

(25:49):
yet to make it himn obvious. Yeah, you should go
hire this guy. That great season in Arizona and you've
turned that program around and he's off to a promising
starry at Washington. But I don't know that you've yet
seen I mean, that was constin loss.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Was bad.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
There's ane other way to put that. Now, Maybe if
they knock off boarding at the end of the year
and they're nine and three, say okay, that was a
really good season. But I don't know that we're quite
there yet.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Final thing for it. James Madison seems to be on
the outside looking in the team the top team in
the Sun Belt, Wazoo goes there this weekend. Obviously, Wazoo
beats them, and that would eliminate any thought of James Madison.
If James, who knows what Cougar team's going to show up?
If it's the old Miss Virginia team, then I think
James Madison's in trouble. If it's not, then God knows
what's gonna happen. But is there any chance, any path

(26:35):
for James Madison to get that group of five that
at large berth in there or are they are we
looking at the American Conference winner instead?

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, there's such schedule strengths, just isn't in the same
ballpark as the American teams. And they asked about Tulane
last night. Julane has a win over Northwestern and a
win over Duke. I think that's probably a big part
of why they're that team. James Madison played one Power
fourteen Louisville and lost pretty handily. So that's the group

(27:06):
of five is often where you see the big difference
between the A people and the Committee, Like, if you
get to a certain record, no matter what conference here in,
you'll eventually get into the A people, Whereas I think
the Committee is a lot more discerning about who did you.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Actually be Yeah, I mean it's looking at their schedule.
I mean, it's just it's they they Wazoo would be
their set, would be their best win maybe depending on
how wins up what it's all said and done, And
that's not saying much, Stuart. The audible people can get
that where you get your podcast correct, Yeah, the.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Audible every Sunday morning, every Tuesday morning, every Thursday morning,
wherever you get podcasts. Maybe we'll have to. You just
inspired me to look up, like how many different teams
could win their conference having beaton Washington State in their
non conference right, it's quite a few.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, ole miss Old Virginia was there. Well, Virginia is
still in it, right, so old Miss Virginia and to make.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Oh man, you just mentioned James Pattison, right, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well the yeah, well San Diego State what somehow WAZU
beat San Diego State and lost to Oregon State. Stewart,
you go figure that out in college football these years. Okay,
figure that stuff out for you indeed every season. All right, buddy,
Well listen, we will check in with you soon. Man,
take care, thank you, and we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Okay. Thanks.

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Speaker 8 (29:26):
Bad.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
There was no highlights last night. Bud uh I told
you the time. No, it's all right, Joey let The
first goal was bad, bad goal. Bal I heard al
this morning. That's probably when Joey wi want to have back.
That's that's hockey code for it was a bad goal.
It just was call what it was. Bad goal should
have saved it should have saved it. The other two,
uh well, the other one double deflection. Can't blame him

(29:52):
on that, and then a wide open guy the power play,
power play penalty, and now was giving up goal in
seven straight games. Not good. They did score the power
play last time they did. The power play is a
lot better than it was. Like, it's weird.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
If you were to tell me power player PK, which
one would be better this year?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I would have told you PK. Well, I'm a fan
of Chris Taylor, who's the assistant coach runs power play,
and I'm knowing forever. I think he's he knows what
he's doing. And Chris is running power play. It's obviously working.
Weird you put a guy like told it on it?
Mm hmm scored twenty three last year? Would you go two? D?

(30:26):
I would? I just it seems like a waste to me. Well,
what's a waste of seeing twenty seven out there on
the power play? Mason Marchman, he's struggling. He is fighting
at something hard right now. Uh yeah, but anyway, Uh listen,
they're still good. God yeah, seven five and five, Like
it's it's no what are they nine five and five?

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
So they're doing well. They're hanging in there. Next up
Chicago tomorrow, Blackhawks and Saturday in Pittsburgh. Sunday on the
Island against the Islanders. They come home for a game
before Thanksgiving against the Dallas Stars. Next one, say, by
the way, a week from today, that game against the Stars.
It's gravy boat night. If you go to the game,
you get a gravy boat.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Wait.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, like that's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
A boat that holds gravy.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah yeah like Thanksgiving. Yeah, but it looks like a zamboni.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Well I didn't know if it had to go with
a food product.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
But it looks like zamboni, which is even cool. They
that they don't know what they don't They don't know
how to do a bad one.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
To be honest with you, honestly, the first time I
went to a game was the pregame experience. Like everyone
needs to get.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
There a half hour's We do tracking ticket tuesdays to
get people out there. But yeah, gravy boat next Wednesday.
Love it? Uh yeah. The only bad promotion they've done
was last week they did something called it you dubbed
Night and gave away you dubbed hockey.

Speaker 10 (31:44):
Swim like that.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Let's get the koogs in there.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
They do have a koog one. I got to find
out when that is.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
I want the sweater.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I do too, I do too, Okay, remind me. I'll
get on that.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
It's someone when the Mariners do like they're Yeah, I
think those are the coolest things, like so cool in
the school, up said, I missed the Seattle you Marriner's night. Oh,
I was so amad.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Did they have one? Yes, they have because Americas do
greators do a great job with that. They do, because
they do. They do Eastern gunzag you. I think they
did an Oregon one this year and people were losing
their mind. And I said, again, I guess guess where
the games are shown. Guess what a big fan base is.
It's an organ and that's a great baseball state. So yeah,
smart on their part. Who can take a deep breath

(32:27):
and don't go Husky fane. A couple of weeks now,
I was personally fined. I like to see the Gunzagga one.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
But whatever, you know, what if a couple of Kook
sweaters showed up here at the home for the Kraken.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Martinez is not here. He did league meetings. He's already
been trying to go back and forth on the TV stuff.
He's telling me he's busy and apparently MLB meetings take
precedence over this show. It does. Why Yeah, stupid. I
don't know what he's thinking. Anyway, we'll talk to Mike
home Grin. He puts us at a priority top of
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Speaker 6 (34:02):
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Speaker 1 (34:03):
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(34:23):
very good win. I'm not I'm not saying it's not.
That's a very good win. I just laught what I
can tell. When you got who writes the headline.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
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Speaker 1 (35:19):
All right here he is. Mike Holmgren joins us every
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We get some stories, some background, some insight from mister
Holmgren himself. He's with us. How are you, sir? How
are you today?

Speaker 9 (35:33):
I'm doing great, my friend? How are you doing good?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Very good? Ready to rock and roll. We got a
lot to get to, a lot to talk about today.
We got to get to it. Let's do it. Uh hey,
let mean look, we'll look back on that game in
a second. I do want to throw this out at
you real fast. So Shador Sanders is starting this week
and obviously the name and everything like that involved, and
you know, with with with him and the drama on

(35:55):
draft weekend, he you know, one of the things that
people kept, you know, as he struggled in his first game.
I think he's four for sixteen, right, is that right?
Andrews four for sixteen in the first game when he
came in relief, and last week with the injuries, Mike,
I saw this written a lot, and I kind of
I chuckled a little bit because say, well, that's how
it works in the NFL. But well, he didn't have
any snaps with the first team offense. Well, backup quarterbacks

(36:18):
don't do they Like, what did you typically do with
a backup quarterback? They didn't have first team snaps.

Speaker 9 (36:22):
No, no, no, they ran the scout team, that's what
they did.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah. Yeah, so this was no big I mean, that's
that's par for the course for an NFL team. Like, so,
people say he hasn't got snaps yet, Well, you know,
that's how it works, right in the NFL. You your
starter takes the first you know, I think that's how
it works. I could be wrong.

Speaker 9 (36:40):
No, that's exactly that's exactly how it works. No, I
put a smile on my face too. But you had
to know, or somebody had to know that when they
did this, when they made the decision to do this,
that's somewhere along the line, there'd be a lot of drama. Yeah,
you know, because it was really out there what happened.

(37:03):
And the fact that they not only then they started
with all these quarterbacks I think they had five. Yeah,
and now they've all gotten hurt and everything. Now this
young man's playing. I hope he gets a chance to
play well, but it's tough. He has not he hasn't
practiced with with the guys. And you know better than anybody.
You know. You you step in there and you're a
rookie and you haven't played much. He's seeing things he

(37:25):
hasn't seen yet, certainly not in practice. And so yeah,
it's it's but they had to know this, And don't you.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Think, Yeah, I think it's I think it's I mean, listen,
I not to get too harsh on your your former
employer of the Cleveland Browns, and I know names and faces,
and I think maybe even ownership has changed. But there's
a reason. There's a reason that the Cleveland Browns at
some point right, there's a reason they are where they are.
It's just that's the reality. It's you're you're an absolute
gong show on and off the field. And you know,

(37:56):
like you said, five quarterbacks and guys that were getting
paid and you still have the Deshaun Watson nightmare to
deal with. You know, he's out for the year of achilles.
I mean, that's why they that's why bad organizations say
bad for a long.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
Time, right, Mike, Well, you know what that's true. And
I would say, you know, because my time there. While
I was there, I really enjoyed it, and I think
we were taking strides little by little and making things better.
Could not find a quarterback, but sometimes that takes time.
But we were making strides and the feeling in the

(38:29):
building was good. But then all of a sudden, you know,
things changed, but not only after I left. Then they
changed again the next year, and then they change again
the next year. And sometimes when you look at teams,
you know, it's not just the coach and the players.
What is ownership doing, How are they involuing themselves? What

(38:53):
is the front office doing? And the teams that can
work together. And I've always said and not worry about
who gets credit. Then those are the teams that are
successful in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Well, when I'll get to the Hawks in a second.
Just I'm like with Shador. You know, Michael Pennox is
out for the season, which is a bummer. I just
he's got a torn a cl and you know we
all know his his knee injury history. H it's multiple now.
I think this is at least three maybe four our
last OFFTI when he comes in. You know, not being
a Husky fan by any means, but uh, I got

(39:28):
the chance to meet Michael Pennix a couple of times.
I really impressive young man. Liked him a lot, and
I thought he would step into the NFL and just
be especially having a red shirt year last year. Really
I mean he played the last couple of games, but
I thought he'd be really really good. He hasn't been. Uh,
he struggled a little bit. When you look at quarterbacks
coming out of college and making that transition, what is

(39:48):
the thing that they're missing the most college to pro?

Speaker 9 (39:53):
Well, I think the level of competition. You know, you
say you're a great quarterback at Alaba or Michigan and
your team, your players on your college team are better
than the team most of the players they're playing against.
You get into the NFL and that's not the case.
You know, everyone's usually most everyone's pretty much equal, you know.

(40:17):
And then but you're going against as a quarterback, you're
going against defensive players that do stuff that you never
saw in college. That they are they are better players,
they're more talented. And then that you have to elevate
your game, and to do that in one year that's
almost impossible. In it's almost impossible. The idea of a
Dan Marino who did it when he was a fresh

(40:39):
freshman his first year in the league. That doesn't happen.
You know, it takes I always thought it took three years.
Joe Montana three years with the forty nine ers, Steve
Young three years you know after Tampa until he finally
got going far. You know, the guys I've been associated
with has taken one or two or three years. And

(41:00):
if they can stay with the same coach, the same
and the same system, that's another part of it. So yeah, Pennix,
bless his heart. You know, he's had multiple knee surgeries
and you just hope guy really liked him in college. Obviously,
I like how he plays. I hope he's going to
be okay.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, I wonder if that knee was bugging him even
before the final injury too. Like I just watched him
at air mail passes the other day a little bit
and stuff and like that. He never did that in college.
But again, like you said, the competition was put in
from an offensive line that no one ever touched him,
you know, best offensive line in the country and things
like that. So yeah, there is a transition. All right,
let's transition to the Seahawks. They lose to the Rams. Mike.

(41:39):
Your assessment of Sam Darnold's twenty nine to forty four
two seventy nine, no touchdowns for interception day as quarterback
for the Seahawks.

Speaker 9 (41:48):
Yeah, I had on Monday when I came in or
when we did the show, I felt like I kind
of had to talk people off the ledge just a
little bit. I'm still Sam donald fan. Now. Did he
have a bad game, Yes, and the four interceptions, you
can make a case that was the game, okay, But
I don't think I don't think you're going to see

(42:09):
that again. You know, I think you learn from that.
And I've seen enough of how he plays to know
that he's going to jump back on it and learn
from this, But it was not a good game for him,
and I think, you know what I mean, I think
if I had had a chance to sit him down

(42:30):
and talk with him, he's trying to do too much.
There are times where you live for another day and
you just have to throw the ball away, take a sack.
He's trying to make every play and that's admirable, except
it doesn't work in the league that way, It really doesn't.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah, I does he press too much? Does he?

Speaker 9 (42:49):
Like?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Like McDonald said on Monday? Mike McDonald said on Monday
that that you know, like we've got to live for
another day, you know, know what's down and just you know,
like sometimes just just throw it away, and he does it.
Maybe he was pressing too much because it was such
a big game, and of course that's Mike the reputation unfortunately,
and until he beats someone really good, he's going to

(43:11):
have that kind of hanging over his head, right, So
maybe he is pressing too much.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
Yeah, I think he is pressing too much. But you know,
if you're playing the position okay and you drop back
and people have never had to do that or had
the fun of doing it, The violence and the noise
and everything that's happening in three seconds right there is unbelievable,
It really is. And so you know, in your mind

(43:36):
you're saying, okay, here's my progression on two, three, four.
But then everything kind of breaks down. You got pressure
on you, you're about to get hit, and then your
mind you're in how your mind transferred that to how
you do it physically. You have to understand that and
learn that. When that happens, throw the ball away, you know,

(43:58):
and if you see something, don't just throw it down
the field. You know. The old add is, don't throw
the ball late down the field in the middle.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
Don't do that.

Speaker 9 (44:07):
And if you're rolling out to your left to throw
back to your right, it might you might hit one,
you know. And I listen, I'm an expert at this
because of Brett Farv. He would do the strain as
I go. You know, why do you do that? You know?
So you know, But then he learned. He really did learn.
And it takes a little time, but Sam knows better.

(44:28):
He does. He's playing in the lenk long enough now.
I want to see him eliminate those types of throws.
You know because you look at we've said it before,
you and I. He throws the ball, well, he really does,
He's got he's got a nice feel for that. It's
just when you're pressured. What do you do when you're pressured?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
And I think that's the thing, right, and not just
pressure on the play, but maybe just the pressure of
the game, right, And and how are you going to
react to that? What would you you know, like, is
he just trying to make plays?

Speaker 9 (45:00):
Then?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Is it just being I don't want to say it's
not careless? Is it almost being over aggressive? Is that
what you see?

Speaker 9 (45:06):
No, I'd use the word you used you talk about first,
it's being careless. Okay, you know you're playing that position.
A lot's expected of you, excuse me, and you have
to understand that and you can't do that part of it,
not just throwing the ball or throwing the ball along
or sprinting out. Those are all good things, but then

(45:27):
your decision making, you can't be careless because then the
bad things happen. Interceptions happen. You know, a ball gets
knocked out of your hand, which is most often is
not his fault, but sometimes he's holding the ball a
little too long, you know, just put it away live
for another day.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Should mention to a grade, Isabel. That doesn't sound like
it's a serious injury, which is a good news for them.
They need that left guard. He's played so well for
them this year. I'm sure Mike, you like me were
happy to see Ken Walker get sixteen carries sixty seven
yards on a touchdown. More important, certainly over over one
hundred yards in terms of total offense, because he also
had three catches for forty four yards, so they kind

(46:06):
of got him more involved in that game. Mike, you
and I have been yelling from the mountaintops for a
while to see Canine get more involved, right.

Speaker 9 (46:13):
Yeah, and it's good. They listen to the radio show.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah they do. They do well. They listen to you.
They don't listen to me. They listen to your show.
So they tuned in Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays for you.
That's what they do.

Speaker 9 (46:25):
No, So they were listening to us, and I was
happy to see it too. And you know, I mean
Charbonay get him as his time, yeah, you know, because
because Walker the way he plays, he needs to blow
every now and then. But let Walker give him the ball.
Let him, let him work.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was good. Uh.
They go to Tennessee this week, Mike, and I wonder, like,
just obviously a bad football team. They're in the midst
of I guess, or rebuild, although they had the number
one pick last year. Rebuilds take more than a year.
That's obvious as they sit there there, one and nine
are the Tennessee Titans. Seattle is a not just a

(47:04):
playoff contender, but a possible Super Bowl contender as well.
You're coming off a really hard loss. I guess you
could be one of two things. This is a great
little way to go get right, get better, feel better,
or boy, are you going to have an emotional letdown
playing on the road, not even at home, you're playing
on the road in Tennessee. What's the challenges that Mike
McDonald faces this week?

Speaker 9 (47:26):
Well, I think there are challenges and you and I
think I mentioned this to you before. When you're in
Green Bay. We were ten to one playing in Indianapolis.
That was one in ten with their third string quarterback
and they beat US forty five to forty two. And
I never had to punt. It was the longest gain
more yards offensively than ever before, and but we lost

(47:47):
the game. Now, how does that happen? You know? And
really I was feeling awful, and I went into Fritz Sherman,
the defensive coordinator, first thing, Monday morning, not on the airplane,
first thing, money, any morning. We sat down, had a
little chat, how does this happen? You know? Because offensively
we played very well and there was a good example

(48:08):
of you have to get your team and the team
has to feel it every week, regardless of the opponent.
But I think your point, you know, your point is
well taken. There is a chance, there is they should
win this football game, right, you know, they're a better team.
They should win. But they better come and bring what

(48:29):
they've shown before, bring a lot of emotion and do
it that way and eliminate the mistakes on offense. And
I don't think Tennessee, I really don't think they have
much of a chance. But they have a chance.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I mean, that's the thing that would just like you
just chalk this up as a win. There's the human
nature of the player, Like, what's the message to the
players in that room.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Yeah, the message is you play this game like any
other game. Every game is the same that way. Every
game is the same that way, and you got to
bring it otherwise they can beat you. And you might
have somebody you might have to say it a few times,
you know, and you might have to say it loudly.
But you know, this team and the way Mike has

(49:16):
set up his team, I would be shocked. I would
be absolutely shocked if they didn't play with the same
type of emotion that they've showed this season so far.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
You've been around Mike McDonald and all. I mean, he's
in his second year of all things, right, so it's
not like, you know, he hasn't been around for it forever.
He's still learning this head coaching thing. But every time
I hear you speak, it feels like you have the
confidence that even though he's young in his tenure. Was
it so seventeen games twenty he's twenty seven games into
his NFL head coaching career, Yeah, but you feel like

(49:49):
he has the building. He'll make his team follows that lead,
He'll have that message sent loud and clear.

Speaker 9 (49:54):
Yeah. I think I think that's a real strength of his.
You know, you look at the way his defense that
he's in charge of, yeah, plays and they play their emotional.
They do a lot of different things. They've substituted because
if guys got getting hurt and they've responded beautifully, so

(50:15):
he has that effect. Now as far as the offense goes,
I think he's kind of kicked that over to Clint.
Obviously Mike's going to take charge as the head coach,
but Clint does that, so you know, but yeah, I
believe he does. He knows how to do that, and
they the players, believe that he does and they respond
to him.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Last thing for you, I wrote this down the other day, souse,
I want to ask you. I asked Hugh Millan about
it as well, and McDonald did address it on Monday. Boy,
like we're watching it. Got a bunch of guys over.
A kid and a bunch of his buddies were over
a watch in the game that those last especially the
last two. The last drive jumps out because the guy
hits the punt that's unbelievable to the half inch line.
I mean, that's yeah, it's like a golfer hitting a

(50:56):
hole in one and then some right that happens. But
even then that drive, the drive before that as well,
where they scored and all of a sudden, we've got
a game, Mike. It felt like there was really no
sense of urgency whatsoever. And I asked Hugh about that Monday.
Hughes said, well, I can guarantee you this darnold was
ready to go. He's waiting for the play to come in.
It used to be different like in that situation, Brett

(51:19):
would just call the plays right because you didn't have
a little green dot. You weren't talking in as ear
has this world. The green dot changed things because it
just felt like it was real. They left a lot
of seconds on the time table.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
Well, you know what it is. Excuse me if you
you don't in that situation. You're not necessarily calling plays
unless the clock stops. From the sideline. You know, here's
the series, here's our two minute offense, here are the
five plays you have, you call it, you get them going,
and you don't call it from the sideline. But you
have talked to your quarterback while they're waiting to go

(51:53):
on the field about what is going to happen out there.
And I didn't He was right, Obviously I didn't see that.
But that's I think that's how you should do it.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, it just it felt like opportunity lost along the way.
All right, my friend, great stuff. We will listen for
you tomorrow with Softy and Dick a five twenty bar
and grill and tell. Then we'll talk to you next week. Sir,
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 10 (52:14):
There you go.

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Speaker 10 (53:27):
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Speaker 1 (53:45):
kJ R FM two oh six. I'm the only one
that's concerned that a pension program is investing in college.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I think it's what they do. They invest in stuff. Yeah,
you're watching the show Billions. I had not. It's part
of what Yeah, they did that all got it? Okay,
I'm an expert. Now let's see what else you've got
going on? Two five three, Getting rid of dead money
and expiring contracts like thirty four million. So even signing

(54:21):
jan we still need to spend Yeah, yes, yeah. My
only My only complaint enters with the baseball thing right
now is anytime you hear about the money and the spending,
it's self imposed. So you, as an ownership group, the

(54:45):
reason you won't, the reason you say it's one hundred
and fifty or whatever it might be, whatever your payroll
is going to be one hundred, sixty hundred, seventy two hundred, whatever,
whatever might be, it's because you don't want to cut
into your profits.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
It's not has nothing to do with a rule that
the league has put on you. Yes, so it just
to me, the discussion revolves around how you want to
view it as a fan. Do you want to view
it as that's unacceptable to me, they need to spend
more money. I think most people would agree with that,
or do you want to just kind of accept that
that's the parameters that this team's operating under, and how

(55:18):
do we best maximize the team this window with those
self imposed restrictions.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Saying losing Geno doesn't potentially hurt you as silly the
guy hit fifty plus home runs hundred ten RBIs. Yeah,
he was a star power excellent for the two months
we had him, but he had an offensive force over
average the last several years. Re Sign him at a
discount them all for that you should be too. I
actually tend to agree with that. Texter, to be honest,
I would say, if you can sign him in it
and again the discount of getting down. I don't want

(55:51):
to contradict myself, but yeah, at a discount because you
don't want to spend X amount of money, Yeah, doesn't
limit you from doing something else. Age. That's the thing,
yea his age. If you feel like you need to
get Williamson in there for whatever reason, even if he
can't hit. What Gino's strikeout rates not good? Right? Like

(56:13):
that great? I mean he always has been that way.
His defense has gone back a little bit.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
It's it's still i'd say average ish and his bat's
still above average. We'll see how much that regresses in
the following year. And I do worry about that. I mean,
he had a massive year. He did massive year.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Any in a good year last year to everyone.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
Like the whole reason the Mariners traded him is because
they expected him to kind of fall off a Cliff.
He has defied that these past two years.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Well, and the reason they traded for him is he
got an expiring contract too. Correct traded for him. I'm saying,
trade him away too. And the reason they brought him
back he can't expire a contract. They weren't. They weren't
they hold it right, They weren't going to be behold
into like four more years of massive regression.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
So if you get like one, if you get a
one year deal of like fifteen million, twelve to fifteen million,
I think I signed that up right.

Speaker 10 (56:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Again, it's their money and it's coming out of their profits.
If as long as it doesn't prevent you from doing
something else to make you better, right, I would prefer
Polanco over Suarez, and I think I think that's what
I said, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and Jerry back the
way he's talked about it, Polanco is a priority. He
worries me a little bit though, too, because like injuries,

(57:22):
it's kind of a similar situation like both those Yeah,
both those guys. Again, it would worry me more if
it was a salary cap league. It doesn't matter. I
have to kind of get out of the NFL slash
NHL mind mind thing like, well, you can't give that
guy that because you're stuck with that. It's gonna hurt
your cap and blah blah blah, the contract's not going
to age. Well, it doesn't matter. It just it's but

(57:44):
that's how they operate. But that they operate like a
salary cap team. Yes, and almost every team does, let's
be honest, right, Yeah, no, No, you got to budge.
It's a budget. You work up within a budget, whatever
your budget is. Now again, every team's making money, so
telling the average fan that they can't afford it when
they're spending money for tickets and everything else is nonsense.

(58:05):
That's wrong. It's total nonsense.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I hope Gino comes back good vibes only, I just
don't know if they're going to view him as a priority.
And I think they can. I think they can improve
themselves elsewhere if need be.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
But I was gonna just in terms of the position,
I would say I feel more comfortable with Cole Young
at second base than I do Ben Williams in a
third Yeah. So like, if you're talking, just position has
got to be a d H right, Yeah, And that's
the thing that he has to hit to get value.
Gino could still play every day third base, and even
if he regresses offensively, he'll be at least an.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Average if they were to sign him for one or
two years. Say like, but just I'm just looking at
this next year's payroll. Yeah, say ten to eleven million, easy, Yes,
anything below fifteen. Polanco I'd say around the same, but
maybe a little bit less, depend because he has some
injury history and you know you're pushing one hundred and
eighty million per year. Yeah, are they willing to do that?

(58:56):
Are they willing to do that? I don't know. I'm
asking that retort. I'd say it's one of the two. Okay,
let's get Factor fiction. Of cour's that to go glad
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Speaker 7 (59:31):
Go all right, I'm just making sure that This has
not been picked yet, and I don't see it, and
I like it. I am not usually someone to do
over unders, No, I am usually like I don't like
to predict how a game plays out. I like to
predict who will win because I think they're the better team.
But this one seems very low for me. I'm gonna

(59:52):
go Seattle at Tennessee over thirty nine and a half.
I think it's the lowest over under that I'm seeing
for this weekend's slate of NFL. I know Seattle is
a really good defense, and I know Tennessee has a
really bad offense. But I see Seattle going the blowout
route in this game. I see Sam Donald trying to

(01:00:14):
be like really like show everyone that he's not the
guy that you saw last week. He's gonna put up
some points. And like we saw in the previous three
weeks before the Rams, with the Cardinals, with the Jaguars
and with the Commanders, this game might be over by
halftime and then they kind of coast to the finish
line and Tennessee might score a couple garbage touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I'm just looking at Tennessee during the course of their scores,
during the course of the u's low, but they give
up a lot. Yeah they do. They've given up thirty
plus one, two, three, four times twenty seven and twenty six,
so six times they're in that where you just need
something else to happen. The problem is they've also been

(01:00:57):
shut out this year once. But I think you're right,
garbage time, you could get it. You know, it's happened
multiple times. Yeah, let that happen. I like that's a
really low number. Thirty nine and a half for really
really well. So miss Seattle scores thirty points against bad
teams in first half? Yeah, yeah, so maybe they do
that this week.

Speaker 9 (01:01:15):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Four touchdowns in the first half, twenty eight nothing. Now
you're just eleven. You're twelve points away from a win.
I like it. Fact four nine four or five to
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So over thirty nine and a half and a half,

(01:01:38):
I like it all right, and again this is a
better over under, more fun because you're rooting for Seattle.
Score po Yeah, let's go blow them out. Yeah, what
if it's like fourteen fourteen and a half. Cool, we're
well on the way for that. But yeah, I was
gonna say, well, the problem is now, I think I
tend to agree with long Red. I think that Sea
How's gonna just mic. These are Mike's words in my words. Yeah, well,

(01:02:02):
I tend to agree with Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
I think they're gonna kick their ass and I think
Sam Donald's out to prove something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yes, I would tend to agree. I think they're gonna
go take care of a one to nine team rather
easily and then move on and uh and get ready
for his Minnesota next week. I believe right, So yes, yeah,
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Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
Is Seattle at Tennessee over thirty nine and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
You're rooting for points. That's a good thing. Yeah, I
can't feel you can you do? Only feel dirty about that? Oh,
by the way, I have one more text for you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Uh oh, my.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Buddy, Keith Miller. Does Naylor get a pass a mayor
pass from Andrews for being Canadian or his Andrews Canadian
hate just Toronto and Edmonton. How does that work for you?

Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
With with Nail? He's Canadian? Yeah, I know, but he
plays for the Seattle Mariners. You're okay with that?

Speaker 9 (01:02:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Absolutely okay. So like you're okay with like Brenda Montour,
you're okay with it's Canadian.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
If you play for an American team, right, especially if
a Seattle team. I don't care for Canadian.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
You just don't like Edmonton as a whole, correct, you
don't You don't like Toronto, the Blue Jays and Oilers
as organizations and fan bases. Where do you follow in
the Argonauts? I don't even know what those are. That'd
be the CFL team in Okay, I don't like them either.
How about the Leafs? Fan of the Leafs? No, sorry,

(01:03:21):
they're not very good, by the way, somebody just tweet
this out of ESPN just tweeted this out. If the
playoffs were to begin today, know the crack? Can we
get Edmonton? No? I don't think Edmonton's even No, no, no, no,
Colorado Avalanche. I mean match in the playoff series for
three years, the most dominant team in the NHL. That's alright,

(01:03:42):
you know, what but Joey, go beat them, Go beat them. Hey,
we're in the playoffs. All I care about. Wild Card
two would be cl wild Card one, by the way,
is Chicago. That's who they play tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
They have better points percentage right now than a couple
of the teams in the Pacific leaders boards.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
The playoff teams in the West and Conference Colorado, Seattle, Dallas, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Chicago,
la In Vegas, Chicago, Anahei. Yeah, weird. I know they're
good though, they're good, young players, good. I watched Anaheim
other night. I'm they're okay, They're okay, you know, I
think they're I think they're real. I don't know. I'm

(01:04:19):
not sure. I'm not sure if I'm believing in Jacob
trub on the power play, for example, No, I I
mean I seals got better, goaltending got better. Goal's been
good this year. I'll take Joey. Yeah, I'll take the
German gentleman the way he's playing right now for Cotton. There,
Did I just say that?

Speaker 9 (01:04:38):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
We're just asking soft the other very important questions. So
you don't know what time the Husky game with Oregon is, Oh, it's.

Speaker 11 (01:05:08):
If Oregon beats USC, the feeling is the game will
be at twelve thirty, okay, And if USC beats Oregon,
the feeling is the game will be at four thirty
because whoever wins gets the twelve thirty slot on CBS.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
On CBS correct, the other one's a big ten network, correct, and.

Speaker 11 (01:05:22):
Then the loser of that game will be relegated to
NBC at four thirty on Saturday.

Speaker 9 (01:05:28):
Gotcha.

Speaker 11 (01:05:28):
I can't decide which one I want to be totally honest.
I want twelve thirty to be done right now. There's
something to be said for the four thirty kid getting
a few holes in if it's not pouring rain or frozen, so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Has nothing to do with under the lights or anything
like that. You don't care about that, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:05:44):
Just checking two more regular season games left, pal. You
guys got the beaves next week right in Pullman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
We have the beaves in Pullman, our second half of
our back to back in our division, and then we
have the we got JMU this week, you know, the
college Football playoff contenders of JMU. So the next U
c L A head coach with James Madison. That is
that the rumor? Chesney?

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Is that his name?

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
What's his name? Bob Chesney? Yeah, yeah, Kenny Chesney's brother.
He's Kenny's brother. Yeah, I heard they're tight. Well, whatever
the line is for you guys in the beams next weekend,
I'm betting you guys big huge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Well, I would hope we would show up for that
one since we didn't show up for the.

Speaker 11 (01:06:18):
Last not at all games and Pullman should be at
least nine people there, so I'm fired.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
They'll be Yeah, Thanksgiving weekend, students at home, be exciting game.
Can't wait.

Speaker 11 (01:06:28):
Sorry, that's whatever that was uncalled. No, no, there won't
be more than eight people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I'm talking. I'm just I'll be honest with you. I'm
so sick of our fan base yelling at each other
about about not eating their own No, here's the thing, now,
this is our thing, people yelling at it. Why weren't
you at the game. You got to go to the
games and support this team. I'm like thinking to myself,
all right, you for not no, not me. I have
another job. I've got an excuse. I'm out, I can't No.

(01:06:56):
It's like, well you got to go, And people like, hey,
wait a second, man, like I don't have eight hundred
dollars to spend on a hotel for two nights or
watch Louisiana Tech at seven o'clock. Talk to me next year,
when are you? Maybe they're playing something that matters at
least in terms of a conference title, and maybe they're
in the conversation that JAMU is in right now, or
group of five and all that, But right now you're

(01:07:17):
playing a almost swore. You're playing an exhibition schedule. That's
what you're playing. Well, it's a dog crap schedule, is
what it is, because you're not playing for you. Yeah,
we're playing it now for them, for that coach bull
eligibility would be big, sure, totally. Like you want the
extra practices. They they don't have a cam morder. John
Mattier is going anywhere next year. Well that's what I
think for you, dud, they're there are seven and three. Uh,

(01:07:39):
well it's probably big. This game.

Speaker 11 (01:07:40):
Well, it's not just a bowl games practice Okay, Dick Baird,
you got to get them in. I think you know,
a chance to get eight to nine wins potentially after
where this team was when Caitlyn took would be huge.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Let me do it. Where's Dick at? Find me? Dick Bard?
Will you please stop played Dick pear for me?

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Where's he at?

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
Stupid idiot?

Speaker 9 (01:08:06):
He's got to stop doing that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
This kid doesn't look Jewish. They're all there. Who is
referring to you?

Speaker 11 (01:08:15):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
No, no, he knows I'm Jewish. This kid doesn't Jewish.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Look at me.

Speaker 11 (01:08:20):
Jeez, man, it looks like a cross between Welcome back
Cotter and pee wee Herman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You gotta stop doing that right now.

Speaker 11 (01:08:30):
With a reference to Dylan Morris throwing interceptions, oh that's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
That's what that was. Yeah, that's what that was. So anyway,
all right, where's he at now? I don't know where
he's at right now?

Speaker 11 (01:08:39):
His uh former teammate, Foster Sorel I think is in
the NFL, but I'm not sure we're Dylan.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
I see, I see is h I see? The guy
he competed with is the third string punter for USC
these days?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Really? Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
Sam?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Here what are you talking about? That's right, all.

Speaker 11 (01:08:52):
Right, Today's a Petro's day, Yes, Petros at four, Kevin
Harlan five, Mike Florio will join us as well the
Butthole and then Lane Lambert the new coach of the
Crack and will make his debut a late lunch with
Lane at three forty five every Wednesday, so we'll talk
from cracking hockey with a head coach at three forty
Probably a good mood after last night. Yeah, I'm sure

(01:09:13):
he is. It was also his birthday, by the way,
I know it was. They lost on his birthday. He
was getting sent down a Coachella for that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Well, they brought up Oscar Fildguard Mouleguard today, so probably
someone's getting sent down, that's true.

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
Seeby for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable the Inverness.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
This is paddle day, saying so long everyone,