Furness Show 6-13: Get Right Series for Mariners? Danny O'Neil, Stewart Mandel.

Ian makes some editorial decisions off the top of the show. The US Open is underway, and the course is tough. Big series coming up with Cleveland and the Mariners have been up and down. Two good teams are coming in and they have a chance to get right.   Danny O'Neil, The Dang Apostrophe! Danny tells us the story of the Bitterman as it applies to all sports we are watching right now. Where are we with the Mariners right now? And also...we have to delve into Randy Johnson's interviews that demolished previous Mariners' ownership.   The Daily Power Play!   Stewart Mandel, The Athletic tells us what the new House ruling means for college athletics. It's essentially a salary cap for college sports. About three quarters will go to football and the majority of the rest will go to basketball in most situations. He takes us through the pros and cons of this new ruling.   Ian tells you something good.   Crosstalk with Softy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, people are really into that one as well. Love
a US Open up and Open update coming up in
a few minutes. Some changes atop the leader board. There's
a guy making a run right now on a heater.
First round leader JJ Spawn is one over for the day,
so he's still three under par. This is how tough
that course is. Andrews is a golfer. You can relate

(00:21):
to this. The cut line expected to be six over par. God,
it will go no lower than five over par. It
could be as high as seven over par for a
cut line and a major. That's how hard this thing is. Yeah,
when you're in the rough and you hit you try
to get out of the rough and you hit it

(00:42):
like a yard, that'd be fun. Hopefully that won't happen
to you. Andrews and Mike Benton at the mayor of
Maple Valley, no promises. Hopefully that won't be taking places.
You know, just what I did talk to the captain yesterday.
I did the podcast with him. Oh my gosh, he's
a beauty. Fun aways have fun. He ran through a
list of thirty five assistant coach names. Said, Mikey, I'll

(01:04):
be honest with you. I know I like two of
those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I thought he was gonna ask, who do you think
they should pick at the seventh overall?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
What that one?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I like?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
The Murcy kid, and not just because he plays for
the Thunderbirds. Is a right shot defenseman at sixty five
and moves the puck. Hey, you know what they don't
have in their system. A right shot defenseman that moves
the puck. You're right, okay, and it can play at
both ends the montor no in the system kid, Yeah, yeah,
that's that is an elite prospect. They've got demon, but
they like an elite defensive They've really gone forward heavy

(01:37):
in the draft. Okay, Mariners will get to coming up. Well,
I guess we'll do now. I don't think we have it.
Later we'll talk to you any about it a little bit.
A big series coming up with Cleveland. Good baseball team.
As Andrews mentioned Castiel's pitching, well lately, it's the way
we feel about this team is so up and down.
I get it. We all get that. That's what we
kind of talked about yesterday. We're not gonna I'm just

(01:57):
not going to play the game of you know, losing
it and getting pissed off. I just I think we're
all exhausted at times by it. But a home stand
with two good teams coming into decent teams at least
coming in, you can get right real quick. You take
you go four and two over these next six. You
feel a lot better about yourself. Now. That won't catch anybody.
But we're not worried about catching Houston right now.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'm just worried about playing better baseball. The question is
do they have the roster to play better baseball? What's
the max they can do? That would be the question.
I know you mentioned to me Bucky and Chuck talking
about some things today awstome segment at nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
If you guys, yes, and you know, as you mentioned
that to me, there's two guys you kind of mentioned
right off the get Godylan Moore and Mitch Garver. And
my response to you was, Andrews. Mitch Garver, we now
have a year and a half sample size with him
here in Seattle. I don't don't care what he did
in the past. Here in Seattle, we've got a year
and a half sample size and it's awful. Dylan Moore

(02:53):
is a utility player and probably a very valuable piece
to a good baseball team as a utility player. The
thought you can play that guy one hundred and twenty
games a year as a starter is it's foolish.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
He he probably and that's this's is saying a lot
considering what you have on the roster. He probably looks
the worst at the plate out of any Marriager's player
right now. He I think he's over like what sixteen
or seventeen with thirteen strikeouts or something like that.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
The problem. The problem is is that like he was,
he was hitting above his his his baseball car. Polonco
got off to such an incredible start that it was
not going to be sustainable. And if we're being honest,
big dumper, yeah, hard to sustain what he's done.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
He's not gonna one dot two ops the entire season.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
And the reason that those guys had a lead in
the West and that they were double digit above five
hundred games and all that other stuff is because he
was great y and Polanco for the first week. Yeah,
you know, Randy's heating up a little bit, so maybe
there's a but that shouldn't be okay, Well, at least
Randy's heat up. If polans bad. No, No, you need
more than one or two guys. Yeah, and that's the frustration.

(04:05):
Danny had a good piece about kind of this is
where they are right now, is kind of where they've
been for a while, Like this is it's very consistent
at this point in the year, exactly where the JJ
spond rolls in a birdie now four under par abstraction City.
I'm a big JJ spond fan. He's got type one diabetes.
He's misdiagnosed.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
It was.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
There's there's a lot of similarities to the world that
we live in in the forest house, and so I'm
a huge fan of and what to play eighteen holes
on this kind of course and manage your blood sugar
all the way around is pretty effing incredible man, to
be honest with you, Yes, for him to be one
shut off the lead, two and a half round and
a half in him on our show, it'd be fun
to talk to you. I love that guy. Yeah, I'm
a big Rory McElroy challenge may miss the cut. He

(04:50):
is seven over par God. Yeah, we'll have the update.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Everyone thought that like, oh he won the what he
got his career Grand Slam. He's just got to go off.
Now he's been back, he should.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Be bent man. He did it all. Give him a break. Well,
they changed, They said his driver was illegal and he
has not been the same, although he did pump the
longest driving to the longest drive so far in this week.
So now they don't always go straight. But that's okay, okay,
Stuart Mandel, real quickly forget to a break. Stuart Mandel
is going to join us today at two o'clock. Just

(05:23):
every we haven't had a chance to really kind of
digest the House ruling and what it means for college athletics.
We will even in one segment. We won't be able
to get through all of it, but we will attempt
to with Stuart Mandel. That'll be an interesting segment for
all fans of college sports. Whether you're husky at docta
Kuga beef, doesn't matter what you are. What does it
all mean? Stuart Mandel. Two o'clock, let's get a US
open up date ahead of Danie O'Neill.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
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(06:08):
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are you?

Speaker 7 (06:30):
I'm good?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Are you?

Speaker 7 (06:31):
Ian? I?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I used uh, I used your headline from your dang
apostrophe yesterday to explain to Jessman why I'm not going
to read something she wrote in the headlines for me today.
It's called the bitterman's account.

Speaker 8 (06:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I think sports leads us all to be bitter in
a certain way. And and maybe even the word petty
would come in and I gotta I got a look
from your former producer and my current producer when I
wouldn't read it, And you know what I said, that's
because I read Danny O'Neill's thing. And you know what,
let's all be bitter sometimes, So here we are, we're bitter.
I'm not reading her little story that she put in

(07:05):
there today. So one that was a good one. You see,
you that's your opinions and it's your show. Differently, every
person that's bitter can be bitter about different bitter things, right,
And I'm you know, correct, but we all share a bitterness,
although not so much. God, how about our pacers, Danny,

(07:26):
how about our pacers.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
I never, I never really thought I was going to
root for Rick Carlyle like this, no familiar feelings.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
I'm absolutely kiddy. I was.

Speaker 8 (07:38):
I was texting someone last night and I was like,
I think he might be the best NBA coach since
Phil Jackson with the Pacers, got his first go round
with the Pacers, was unplugged by the Malice Palace, wins
a title with the Mavericks, and now might win a
title with the Pacers.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
All hail Rick Carlyle.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
All hail Rick Carlisle. Huh our guy, well listen if
he pulls this off? He might be the best coach
since Phil Jackson, considering, you know, the season Oklahoma City
had and the fact that they were such heavy, oh,
you know, favorites and everything else. Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here, Denver.
Denver was up to one on this team as well.
We're certainly not home clear, but I am certainly. Look,
the Pacers are the biggest NBA Finals underdogs since the
Pistons in two thousand and four against the Lakers.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
And how these first three games have gone.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
You've got to be really encouraged because they haven't even
had a dominant game yet from their best player in
Tyrese Halliburg No.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Twenty two points the other night, Right, That's that's the
high so far.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
He played well.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
But one of the things that they've done is they've
been able to They've been able to bring the ball
up without using him. And at some point, at some point,
Oklahoma City is going to adjust and they're going to
take their best defender off of Aliburton, and then I
really do think one of these next two or three games,
we're gonna see Haliburton go nuts.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I'm gonna get back to a question basketball question that
I want to have a conversation with you, a boy
in a second before I get to that, though, the Bitterman.
What is the Bitterman's account of Game three?

Speaker 8 (09:18):
The Bitterman's account of Game three is just to sit
there and realize how absolutely giddy. And it's a different
It is a different emotion to watch a team that
you truly hate loose, because I've been through seeing a
great victory. I've been points where I've hugged strangers, I've

(09:39):
had games that have made me so mad, But just
the sheer glee that comes from watching a team you
hate lose is a pretty incomparable feeling. And to totally
immerse yourself in that. We're trained not to want bad
things for other people. We're trained to think like pointing
out someone else's short doesn't make you tall, just because

(10:00):
they're miserable doesn't make you happy.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
And I don't know, I'm not so sure.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Because I was pretty happy watching and thinking about Oklahoma
City fans being so The Bittererman says that all this
zen Kumbaias stuff is a little bit overrated and that
you can't get extreme enjoyment out of the idea that
this other team that is the largest NBA Finals favorite
since two thousand and four might absolutely be falling on

(10:27):
its face.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Danny. It's a great Daniel Neil joining us spot to
by nor those sailing systems. It's a great question or
conversation about the different emotions that you have watching teams
win that you love or teams that you hate lose,
and how those run parallel, how how similar they are,

(10:50):
because everyone can relate. Like if you're Danny's a Huski alum,
so I'm sure I don't know if you take as
much joy in Oregon losing as say Softy does, because
I think he takes greater joy in that than maybe
the Husky's ever winning. But like the joy that I
know he takes and a lot of Husky fans take,
and I get it. When Oregon loses, they take great

(11:11):
joy in it. When Washington loses, I take great joy
in it. I find myself depending on what's going on
with the Mighty Huskies. Like when Michigan beat him in
the National Championship, I was pumping my fists. Sorry, Danny,
but I know you can understand because I did not
want to listen to that, And you know, the national
champions two times over and all that this one wasn't shared.

(11:32):
I know it was glorious. I don't know if it
would have compared to a big win by Wazoo. It
probably did, so It's really interesting how things are very
similar when your team that you want to lose does lose,
as compared to win a team that you love wins.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
It's it's a different emotion, like certainly because there's when
your team wins a game that you were uncertain of
or that they were down. There's this level of disbelief
and I would say it's kind of this euphoria where
nothing can really bother you and you're just like, oh
my god, I didn't know if it was gonna happen,
and it did. The feeling of watching Oklahoma City lose

(12:09):
in this NBA Finals, the two of the three games
that they've lost, it's different than that, it is it
is really, uh yes, extreme feeling of I don't really
care what you say.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
I know that that sucks for you, and I'm so happy.

Speaker 8 (12:30):
I'm just so happy that you have to wear this
and you could say anything you want.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Back of like at least we have a team. All
of these different things. I'm like, Yeah, it doesn't matter though.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Because you're rubbing that on your hurt feelings right now
because your team just got smoked and they shouldn't have it.
It's it's it's a different feeling, and there's there's a
level of glee that I'm not going to apologize for.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
But I know I shouldn't be proud of.

Speaker 9 (12:54):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I think it's fine. I see, but it all is.
I guess five because I said, it's like, we all
like if you're a sports fan, if you're a sports fan,
and you know, I don't know where you were, maybe
you only became a sports fan when you weren't a
beat retymore. I do always chuckle when I hear guys
in your former profession of print journalism, I'm not a fan.

(13:15):
I'm not a sportsman. Well, what what's wrong with you? Like? Really,
you don't have anything you root for? Okay, that's fine.
You know you could you could be that guy. You
could be celibate sports celibate if you want, I guess
is what we would call it. But you know, like
we all root for things to happen or not to happen,
et cetera. I think it's a part of the sports
that makes it fun. Like if you just had one
or two teams you root for, it'd be hard. But

(13:36):
the great thing about Oklahoma City, there's thirty there's twenty
nine other teams we root for because it's not them,
right exactly.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
Our kids' success are much much higher exactually, and it
is more fulfilling in that way because you have a
variety of things. Like as an Oklahoma City hater, I've
watched them lose to Lebron in the finals. I've seen
them blow a three to one lead to the Golden

(14:05):
State Warriors in the Western Conference Finals, which included a
Game six performance by Klay Thompson that was one of
the most remarkable acts of shooting I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
I watched Damian Lewis Yes.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
Do their entire franchise from the logo and then wave
goodbye to them. And that was the last time Westbrook
and Paul George Wherever on the court together. Yeah, and
now you're telling me, I'm also going to get to
sit and watch possibly them lose as the biggest NBA.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Finals favorite in twenty years. Like, Yeah, this has.

Speaker 8 (14:37):
Been one of the more filling experiences of my life
as a sports fan.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's fantastic. God, I'm just daring a dream. What can
it happen again? Because three one just go up three
to one and really put the squeeze on them. Danny
O'Neil joins this dang apostrophe. Well, speaking of rooting for stuff,
how hard is it to root for our baseball team
at times? My friend?

Speaker 7 (14:56):
It's difficult, and it's it's really really because they're the team.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
That's just good enough to break your heart. They they're
just good enough to get you to buy in and
pay attention. They're just good enough to get you to
think like, Okay, everything might actually work out this time,
and then nope, kicking the nuts. That's what you get
five out six in the road trip that includes Anaheim
and Arizona, and.

Speaker 7 (15:20):
You didn't look particularly good while it was happening. That's
that's just that's just what it is true for the Americas.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I thought, by the way, I really do appreciate your research.
You did your extensive research. That this is where they
are right now under the Depoto regime is pretty much
on point, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
It's jarring.

Speaker 8 (15:43):
I went and looked up and it was through the
course of the Arizona series, what their average this is.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
This is Jerry's tenth season. Now one of those was
the two thousand and twenty twenty, so.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
They shortened season, so it's essentially eight full seasons. And
then this year what their average was after sixty five
sixty six games, what their average victories was, And it's
pretty much exactly what it is that they won thirty
three games right now. I think their average at this
point in the previous eight seasons is thirty three and

(16:18):
a fraction and they're targeting. They've averaged eighty four victories
and I think they're on pace for eighty three and
a half. And you just this is what it is.
This is what he's done with a variety. When he
got here, it was a veteran team that they thought
they could nurse a playoff berth or two out of
and they didn't. They finished about exactly what they're doing

(16:39):
right now, and then they were gonna rebuild and they did,
and they got kind of to the press.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
They're just always stuck here.

Speaker 8 (16:45):
It's the Depoto zone, right, eighty five wins to ninety wins,
miss out on the playoffs by a game or two,
and then talk about how encouraged you are about maybe
next year we'll get over the top, and then you
go sign Donovan Solano, Donnie Barrels, whoever the hell else
you can round up, and we'll just run it back
again and be in the exact same spot.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
The Danny O'Neil joining his staying apostrophe. My sure just
dropped down, let me Jess and went down. You look
like Mark James sitting there. He always drops it.

Speaker 9 (17:13):
So what we have stuff in the studio that doesn't work?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Weird? Okay, I'm back, Sorry, Danny, I'm back. Just lost
myself for a second. The uh, the the the glass
half full of that is. Hey, they're always competitive, right.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Yes, yeah, it's true, but.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
Some point the point the goal is not to be competitive.
Have there ever been anybody that's held a job this
long as an executive while while winning this little in
terms of actually making the playoffs? It's like just good
enough to not get you fired.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, no, because I'll give you an example. If he
if he worked for either of the other twos in
this market, the Seahawks of the Kraken Kracken, he would
have been gone after the first year. That's just like
my WICKI would have said you're done, you're out, We're gone,
We're gone. That's that's how they operate. Like they don't
screw around. And hell, probably the Seahawks the same way, right,

(18:16):
Like you know, hey, how was that first year with
Ryan Grubb? Right, Like, there's there's no patience with those organizations.
And probably that's why you kind of have a little
more faith. It is odd that he's been able just
to kind of ham his and egg his way through it.
But part of it is is that again you just
you just have these guys that that the Donovan Solano's

(18:37):
and and maybe that's what Jerry's dealt with in terms
of the payroll, right and which brings us go ahead.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
Yeah, I will give him some credit in that the
franchise is in a much better place now than it
was when he's got here.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
He's done that.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
There is no doubt the farm system is immeasurably better.
I think they have better systems in place. And if
you went when you mentioned the payroll, what there's sixteenth
in payroll and that's about where they are an overall record.
It's not like this is an underachieving franchise. It's just
when you see them hit a plateau. I've got a

(19:11):
couple people that have argued to me that Jerry Depoto
has the Mariners now in a better overall spot than
Schneider has the Seahawks, And I was like, you have
to take such a narrow view to talk yourself into that,
because the big picture is that John's in this spot
and there are some people that think that maybe the
Seahawks should be thinking about making a change. And that
is absolutely the high watermark for what Jerry Depoto has

(19:33):
done in ten years. The overlap here is just it's
he's worked really hard to get them to this point
and this is not the end goal, but you need
they need to find.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
A way to get a little bit more.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
And unfortunately, I don't know if we're gonna be able
to shame them into spending more money. So maybe it's
got to be something else that happened.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Well, the last two years they've had nine to ten
wins the Seahawks, which in a lot of you gets
you in the playoffs. So and that's better than fifty
four percent. Okay, before I let you go, I'll take people.
I think people like going behind the curtains. So on
was it Tuesday, right Tuesday, when the Tuesday the big
units in the and I knew Danny be watching the game.

(20:16):
So Tuesday the big units in the broadcast mooth. They're
in Arizona, that's where he lives now. And of course
he's a diamondback in the Hall of Fame as a
diamond back and he's gonna have his number retired next summer,
which is how that all worked out. Was perfect. He
show gets fifty one this year, Randy does it next year.
Really cool. And I mean that's as I've mentioned, like
Kevin and the Mariners, guys on that side of things,

(20:36):
they know, they know what they're doing, like they just
know what they're doing, marketing, how to do a big event,
what have you. Baseball. We can have a different conversation
as we just did. But Randy Johnson's in there. We
haven't brought this up. I know, every other show has.
I wanted to wait till Friday because every other show
has brought up Randy Johnson and the uncomfortable interview that
he had with Aaron Goldsmith and Angie Mentink. And I'm
texting Jessseman and Danny and I go, Danny, please tell

(20:58):
me you're watching this, please tell me watching and we're
going back and you were, you who were? And you
were as entertained as the rest of us.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
It was so glorious in the sense that it's just
pure awkward Randy steering the entire interview to something he
very specifically wanted to say.

Speaker 7 (21:19):
And I'll give it.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
I think if someone's got a got a bone to picker,
wants to get something off their chest, they got there
right too. I thought that Angie and Aaron were absolute pros.
They did exactly what you do in that situation, which is, hey,
it answers the question, didn't cut him off, but steered
it to it in a different direction because.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
It was wildly.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
Uncomfortable for them, which is understandable and they should be
commended because there's no way I wouldn't have been able
to not last.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
I would have.

Speaker 8 (21:47):
I would have released a high pitched cackle like the
one you just heard from me. Yes, the part of it,
and this is the Mariners do a really good job
of maintaining a really positiveative environment and attitude around the
players that have been with the team.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
And I mean that as an extreme compliment.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes, I agree, Yes, they're.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
Baseball folks and the baseball operations people and this would
be probably more pronounced before but still a little bit
are very sensitive.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
And to have one of.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
Those players who is beloved take a flamethrower to the
more sensitive portions of that upper office. Uh, echelon was
wildly entertaining for me, just simply for the rubbernecker look
of it, of like, oh, this is gonna result. It's
some some uncomfortable, there are some there are some clenched
cheeks somewhere in the building around exactly what's being said.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
And it was. It was glorious in that way.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I thought. There's two things that jumped out at me
about it. And he went after Howard Lincoln specifically, which
was awesome. Like, if you go after Howard and Chuck,
I think there isn't a sports fan in the market
that isn't standing up and giving a standing ovation those
two schmucks apps asolutely, like go after them all day
and every day. I mean, I know stands everyone's you know,

(23:04):
favorite guy to go after now and he's connected to
those guys. But the Howard and Chuck show was a
joke and so I loved that. Uh my favorite part
now I can relate because I work for a team
on a team produced broadcast about seventy five times a year,
and I just I can imagine in the headset, Okay,

(23:25):
we're gonna end this now.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
We're two outs to go.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
In the second, I've never seen a baseball interview in
the booth, and they do one hundred of them a year,
it feels like, right, I've never seen one end before
the inning ended. And you could just tell, like Goldie's like, please,
someone ground in a double play, get us out of
here quick, please, God, get us out of here. And
I I can relate. So I can hear my producer
for the Crack and Scotten Alone going and we're gonna

(23:52):
end this right now, And it would be that way
as what Scott Scotty would just like, we're gonna end
this right now. Get out of it, get out of it,
get out of it. But I can just hear it.
The look on Angie Mentink's face was priceless. She did
it like it was like the office. She looked at
the camera and kind of smiled. It was honestly, ang

(24:12):
if you're listening, that's an Emmy moment. I just went
to that that thing last week, that emmy thing, and
it's like, listen, enter that best sports broadcaster right there.
You don't have to do anything else and play the
office music underneath it, because that's what it was. It
was classic.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Yes, it was because eyes lock on for just a second. Yes,
so this is really happening.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
It was Angie, Angie does the office thing. Goldie's praying
to God that there's a double play. I know that
piker whoever's producing, he's like, oh, get out of this.
Say goodbye to Randy. He's got to get and it's
probably something like there's probably something like like he's got
to get to the to the radio boos. So say
goodbye Randy. And the best thing was he went to
radio and did the exact same thing.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
It was if you.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
Didn't hear the thunk of the bus rolling over the
top of Howard Lincoln.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
During the television interview, he threw the in reverse once.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
They got on DAVERI, but you hear it again, so
he didn't think it was.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Hey, in a week in which they got swept by
the Diamondbacks, will always have that. We'll always have Randy.
Randy not once but twice throwing the bus rolling the
bus over Howard and then the look of Angie, which
is an Emmy It's an Emmy worthy moment. I'm telling you,
she looked at the camera. I spit my Gin and
Tonic halfway across the floor. I like, what, Oh, Angie,

(25:46):
I love you. You're a legend. She was just a
legendary moment and Goldie. Please, somebody just trying to double play,
be done with this. Please the hardest.

Speaker 8 (25:56):
It's the hardest I've laughed at ut at a Mariner's
online moment since the breakfast club at the Bellevue Rotary.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh God, and we'll leave it at that. Tell people
about the dang apostrophe, sir.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
It is.

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Speaker 1 (26:28):
With a Pacers victory, I'll be fantastic, all right. Well,
from one Bittererman to another, thank you so much. Have
a great week. I'll talk to you next Week's.

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Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, just I have a question for you though. Okay,
where so far? Where does this Finals rank for you
in terms of the neutral in terms of just the
quality of hockey, the quality of games. Three of the
four games have gone to overtime.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, I Mark kind of asked me that earlier. I'm
I'm very bad at sometimes with historical stuff like remembering
sure I'm old. Really, I wouldn't never have guessed. You
want to see if we can complete the trade we
talked about earlier. We'll trade Kid for Anderson. Why I

(28:00):
would say, I think what you said about the overtime
is the key. Three or four games have gone to overtime.
The game that didn't go over return there's a blowout,
had a lot of entertainment value, so too the fourth game,
four hundred penalty minutes. He turned into a gong show.
These two teams are real. They're the two best teams

(28:21):
in the league. Yes, they're very evenly matched. They kind
of play both a similar and different style, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I thought I was going to go the route of
they played the game in completely different ways.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Edmonton will try to be a chameleon and play a
different way, but Florida can do the same. Florida can
play anything they want. They can play fast, they can
play heavy, they can play chippy, they can they can
shut it down defensively. Edmonton's a little more restricted than that.
Edmonton's got I don't think Edmonton's quite as deep as

(28:55):
Florida is, and Florida's goaltending has been consistently better. But
all those things said, it's as good a series as
you could ask for. I think the question now is
is Calvin Picker the x T bird? Is he is? He?
He's got to be the guy next game? Right, gotta
be right. He stopped twenty two of twenty three shots,

(29:19):
when he took over for Stuart Skinner after the first
twenty minutes. Down three nothing and if people miss it
last night, Florida up three nothing. Really sketchy of phishing,
if I'm being honest with you. Edmonton was shorthanded three times,
including a five on three in the first period, and
all three were legit. All three were legit calls like
there's we're not like, I'm not saying that. Hey, no,

(29:40):
even if you say let's let it go in the
in the Stanley Cup final, a little bit doesn't matter.
They were all these are no tikie techie, but two
blatant high sticks by Florida missed. One resulted in a
goal five seconds later as a result of the high
stick when Stetcher took it right across the chops at
the top of the head. That was and I'm well,
all that has happened. Three nothing, You're not coming back.

(30:04):
They get one, they get two, they get three in
the third. In the second with Picker going in there,
and Picker's first shot he stopped was a breakaway, would
have made it four nothing met a minute, actually have
met at four to one. But they come back win
an overtime and And the crazy thing is we've had
the two We've had two goals scored inside of the
final twenty seconds of a third period of regulation at

(30:26):
Stanley Cup Final. Those are two of the latest goals
ever in the Stanley Cup Final. And they and they've
happened in two of the last.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Not just empty netters or anything. It's like game time,
game time goals. That's why I should say, Yeah, just
game time goal.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's great. Serious. We'll have the next one forty tomorrow
right here on KJR. It should be a ton of fun.
Should be a ton of fun. A four to thirty
pre game five o'clock drop of the puck game series
going to least six games, I think so well it is. Oh, no,
it is. I think it's going seven. Sorry, yeah, I
think we're gonna see seven two. I think we'll see
seven two. They go back home tomorrow to Evonton, Alberta.

(30:59):
So as each team won, yes, one on the other team.
Each team is one on one at home. If you
don't get that way, okay, yeah, it's crazy even as
it gets very even. So yeah, answer your question. I
don't know. I mean it seems like as good as
and I could watch these two teams play all day.
They don't like each other, and when you have a
hot if you have a hockey series where teams don't

(31:20):
like each other, that makes it fun.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well even if they didn't before, like, have this relationship.
They've played each other two straight finals. You're gonna have like, oh, yeah,
I remember this from last year sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I mean you're eleven games into this exactly exactly. Yeah,
there's and you only see each other twice in the
regular season, but you're loving in. Yeah, a ton of fun.
Stuart Mandel's gonna join us next from the Athletic He
is our guy talking all things college football. We have
him on throughout the year on a weekly basis. We
love having Stuart on. We haven't had a chance to
kind of go down the road of what the house

(31:54):
ruly meant, what it means for all these teams, all
that stuff. We'll have Stuart kind of spin it for
us when we come back.

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Speaker 1 (33:45):
Hour number two of the show All Hell Breaking Loose
College Athletics. I said to Jess the other day, I
need a Stuart Mandel fix, and she says that'd be great,
But he's in Paris.

Speaker 9 (33:59):
I'm your dealer, I'm your Mandel dealer.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
So no, So he was in Paris, but he's back,
probably jet lagged, and one of the first things he
gets to do is come on with his favorite radio
show in Seattle, and here he is from the Athletics.
Stuart Mandel. How are you, sir? Are you rested up
and ready to go?

Speaker 11 (34:14):
I am, guys, thanks for having me on and it's
a great way to ease back into work life.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Well, I think you still wrote a story while on vacation,
if I'm not mistaken, right, I mean happy that I
wrote it on.

Speaker 11 (34:26):
I wrote it, well, the main story about like the
news of it being improved it. We'd actually written that
like a month and a half ago, and just you know,
rolled it out when the time came. I did. Yeah,
I'm I'm kind of a sick person, and I was
fired up about the part of it. And I wrote
a column on the train from where we're on a
train to to Paris, our last of four stops. And

(34:48):
that's how I h's how I filled the three hours.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Well, let's kind of go through we have and I've
kind of waited all week and we've had other things
going on, and there's a lot there's so much to discuss. Stewart,
in all seriousness, I mean, I I love college athletics.
I love college football and basketball, keeping eye on the
College World Series, Go Coastal Carolina. I've got a little
we've got a family thing there with that, so they're
leading Arizona seven to four. First game. Let's go Arizona.

(35:12):
By the way, you stiffed us in the PAC twelve,
so I'll go chance, Chance, I guess Chantaliers, So let's
go on that one. But let's go through just the
basics and we can kind of take it from there.
The basics are and help me out, Stewart. Basically, schools
are now limited to paying athletes up to twenty point
five million dollars this coming school year roughly. So what
does that all mean salary cap?

Speaker 11 (35:36):
Yeah, I means for the first time, right up to
this point, since twenty twenty one, the schools could not
make anile payments themselves. That's why collectives came about. So
the first time, due to this settlement, schools can pay
their athletes, can make their own ANIO deals with their
athletes up to twenty point five million, and that's across
the whole athletic department, not just football, and so then

(36:00):
anything beyond that collective, just you know, general endorsement deals
and whatnot, doesn't count towards that cap, but it has
to go through a clearinghouse.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
So Stuart, does that mean that an entire athletic department
is going to be capped at twenty million, and that
includes all sports.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
Yes, And what we've seen is they're all kind of
following a similar like some some of them have put
out statements like we're going to allocate that twenty million
this way. Others have not. But generally we know that
probably three quarters or so we'll go to football, most
of the rest will go to men's basketball, a little

(36:46):
bit to women's basketball, and then you're seeing some schools
specifically mentioned a couple other non rev sports. I don't
think the amount because basically they're following the same formula
that was used to determine is gonna get a little wonky.
But the the back pay, you know, there are four
years of athletes from the past got damages in this

(37:07):
settlement twenty billion, and it was allocated based on which
sports bring in the most revenue. So the schools themselves
are kind of copying that for how they're going to
allocate going forward.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I'll give you an example of that. I mentioned that
the Coastal Carolina, my son's girlfriend played soccer there. She's
going to get eight dollars, I kid you not. I
mean now, she played she played two years there. She was,
she was a portal kid. She transferred there and played
two years. But I think I think she said roughly
eight dollars is what they were told to expect. But
she got the letter about what Stewart just said. But

(37:39):
it's a non revenue sport, you know.

Speaker 11 (37:41):
Well, you know what's rough about that is that it's
paid out over ten years. She's going to get a
check every year, I guess. For I can't do the
map off the top of my head, but like eighty cents.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, oh gosh, that's funny. Well, so what give me?
Give me both sides of this the what are the
pros and what are the cons? Let's start with the pros.
What are the goods about this settlement and what what
this does for college sports?

Speaker 11 (38:04):
It finally brings some order and regulation to NIL, which
at this point has been obviously just completely unregulated and
wild and chaotic, you know, at least in terms of
those rev share deals that are coming straight from the schools.
Obviously the schools will know exactly the money that's coming
in and coming out. I did see a few months

(38:26):
ago we did a story where we obtained a few
of those contracts for schools that were already giving them out.
You know, there's the possibility that it could slow down
the transfer portal a little bit because there are usually
clauses in those contracts about with buyouts, which just pas
on the money back if you leave before the end
of the term. And then even with the outside deals,

(38:47):
I'm very skeptical of this clearinghouse is going to do
what it's intended to do. And we can talk about that,
but I think it's good that they now have that
info in one place, that there'll be a database. And
you know, to this point, it's all whispers and guys
will go and say this school offered me this in school.
Nobody knows if that's.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
Real or not.

Speaker 11 (39:06):
If it if it's you know, it works as they
say it's going to work. Then theoretically all that data
gets accumulated in one place or in the cons yeah,
or I forget if that was the two part Qustaurant
supposed to the contentt oh, go.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Ahead, fire away out. Yeah, we'll go from there.

Speaker 11 (39:23):
I mean, it's as simple as this. The NCAA and
the and you know, the power conferences. The one's driving
is but let's just say the college sports has lost
one lawsuit after another after another, anything having to do
with restricting athletes earning, and somehow the solution to that
is a settlement where they're capping the salaries internally and

(39:45):
saying you can't make you can't get paid something that
we need to be above fair market value externally. So, I,
as a not a lawyer, but somebody who's had to
cover a lot of these cases over the years, fail
to see how this won't also be struck down as
an anti trust violation. But they have certainly put a

(40:05):
lot of time and money into this system, this Color
Sports Commission, and so people that devised this thing seem
to think it'll stick. And I'm just very skeptical.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
S A Mendel fan Athletic joining us. Yeah, I mean
you reference the you know, if something can spend something
on a non revenue sport. Was the pitcher that's going
to Texas Tech or is it Texas Tech is going
to get a million dollars? And so that takes Texas
Tech down to nineteen right, nineteen million? If I'm not
mistaken right with that, Well, I don't think.

Speaker 11 (40:36):
That money is If I had to guess that money's
not coming from their bricksure coming from.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
That's just different. Yes, so, but the twenty million dollars
capped that the colleges have, and if in that twenty million,
seventy five percent goes to football, and then men's basketball
is number two, and depending on the school, probably either
women's basket ketball, maybe women's softball, if that's a sport
that does well first, you know whatever, it might be, right,

(41:05):
so they can kind of work. Some schools, volleyball is
a big deal, and they you know, they tried to,
like I know, Wazoo when Jen was there, when Greeney
was there, they job three thousand a night paying to
go to games like that was they weren't probably making money,
but they weren't.

Speaker 11 (41:19):
Nebraska volleyball as an institution, right the Nebraska is going
to allocate money for that, Oklahoma is going to alligate
allocate the money for softball and so on.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
So Stewart, at the end of the day, do we
I'm trying to picture a world in which we don't lose,
in which we don't lose sports, and I'm trying to
figure out if that will. I just feel like even
bigger schools are they not going to be at a
point where they're going to probably have to cut sports
that are non revenue.

Speaker 11 (41:49):
I think right now the general feeling, at least at
the highest level is we don't want to do that.
We're going to try to avoid that. What you're seeing
is big fundraising drives, right So, even though so the
whole impetus of the health settlement was, hey, you guys
are making kazillions and TV money and you're not sharing
any of the players. Right, So theoretically this twenty pointy

(42:10):
five million is part of some formula. I can't explain it,
but it's based on TV revenue and TV revenue, ticket revenue,
and sponsorship revenue. But the athletic farms have already spent
all that, so now they're going and asking donors, we
need more money. We have to share the money with
the players now, right, So that's step number one. I'm
not going to be naive to say a year or

(42:32):
two years into this, if schools are can't reported that
they wouldn't start cutting sports. But I do think they're
going to be very careful about cutting women's sports because
women's sports are exploding right now, and there's already like
I don't think it would be a good look to
be cutting women's sports at a time when they're doing
better than ever. But also, obviously there's a Title nine

(42:54):
component to all this. There's already been one appeal filed
about not a it's an appeal of the settlement and
it's specifically about Title nine and a bunch of women's
athletes who think that the way the money is being
distributed is not incompliance to Title nine. So I would
think that's going to be a pretty you know, you
don't want to touch those if you don't have two

(43:16):
kinds of situations.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, there's two parts of that, Stuart that I've always
been intrigued by. One is I, you know that as
the Title nine part and the component Title nine is
very much there, and I think it's important to give opportunities,
you know, to both genders, not just football players and
men's basketball players, and give those opportunities at the same time.
If this is based on capitalism and everything else, some

(43:40):
sports generate money and others do not. And the the
reality is is most women's sports, with very few exceptions,
don't generate money. So how do we balance that.

Speaker 11 (43:51):
Well, that's why they're that's why the money is not
you know, going fifty to fifty. So the nobody is
coming out and saying, okay, this, we're going to split
this ten point twenty five to the men in ten
point two five for the women. They're all saying, we're
going to allocate it based on how much money specific
football brings in eighty percent of our budget. Therefore we're

(44:13):
going to spend eighty percent of our rev share that way.
And that's the judge could have said at any time.
That's a viot that she didn't. She said she was
fine with that right, so it got approved. But I
think that to your point about I mean if at
the end of the day, I mean, I think the
sports that would be in trouble, honestly are the men's
non revenue sports. If you have to cut sports and

(44:36):
you're worried about being a compliance with Title nine, the
sports that would be most in the danger are men's
wrestling or men's any men's sports that just makes zero money.
Because honestly, like two and a half million people watch
the women's Football World Series championship game, Like, I don't
know if that sport makes a profit or not, but
it's certainly generating revenue. There are obviously a lot of

(44:56):
sports that don't generate any revenue. And then you know,
we as bands focus mostly on the Power Conference schools,
but the schools that are going to really hurt are
keep it on. You're not obligated to spend this money.
You don't even necessarily obligated to opt into the settlement. Right,
It's not like MAC schools or Conference USA schools are
going to pay twenty point five million, but they are

(45:17):
going to try to pay as much as they can,
and that may require more assistances familiar universities. So so yeah,
we'll just have to see what the effects are downstream.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, my school I think was there. They opted in,
but they're not going to be obviously paying the twenty million,
at least not initially, and even we'll wait and see
what happens with the new PAC twelve. I think, you know,
the one school the schools that do benefit for certain
programs I believe just because they don't have football, would
be the you know, the if you want to call it,
the Power five in college basketball, and the fourth and

(45:50):
the fifth one being the Big East for most of
they don't have at least Division one A schools, right,
they're not playing top level football. Gonzaga in the new
Pac twelve doesn't have a football team, they can donate,
they can you know, put eighty percent of it to basketball,
right to men's basketball.

Speaker 11 (46:06):
And I had to laugh because a couple months ago
there were stories about how SEC coaches and ads were
grumbling that the system's unfair. The Big eas schools are
going to be able to spend more money than not on basketball,
and it's like, sorry, nobody is going to be setting
a tier for the SEC and SEC football schools that

(46:27):
they can't spend as much money on basketball, even though
they make you know, infinitely more money from ESPN than
the Big East does from their TV partners. But that
is true. I think the Big I mean I'm focused
specifically on the Big East. I think that those schools
are looking at this is a great opportunity. What I
found crazy is that you know, in the in the

(46:49):
during and right after the NCAA tournament, there was a
lot of coverage of how much money is being turned around,
was being thrown around in the portl in basketball this year.
Right there are foketball teams Kentucky, North Carolina and so on.
They're spending way more than ten million dollars just on
their basketball team, right, and obviously that can't possibly come

(47:12):
from rev share because basketball is going to get four
or five million dollars maybe from read share. So I
just keep asking this to every the same thing. Are
you expecting that the guys are just going to make
less money a year from now? Because if we're saying
you only get twenty point five million and we're going
to cut down on these crazy collective deals, I just

(47:32):
don't buy that a year from now, the same basketball
team that's spent fifteen million US rosters, oh, we only
have seven and a half this year. Sorry, guys.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
That's why I think we're going to have this conversation
over and over again. Stuart Mandell with the Athletic, you
can go read all of his stuff, like always does
a great job. They got number of stories on this
up there as well. But always check out Stewart stuff.
We appreciate it. We'll talk to you again as the
summer goes on and we get closer to hopefully having
you on all next football seams as well. Sir.

Speaker 11 (47:58):
All right, thanks guys, you Stuart.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Stuart Mendel joining us from the Athletic. I'm Gonna. I
think there's a couple of things with this that that
come into play. One, I would say it's a step
in the right direction, but it's far far from a
completed task to fix the problems of college sports. Number one.

(48:22):
Number two, what I mentioned at the end, the dynamics
of college basketball are going to change dramatically. As Stuart said,
we should get Gary on in the near future. Maybe
next Wednesday wouldn't be a bad idea because the listening
to him and in his in his podcast this week,

(48:42):
like those Big East basketball teams or places like Gonzaga
that don't have football, the main sport is men's basketball.
Saint John's exactly. You know, the schools like St. John's
and Gonzaga and places like that, guess what they're going
to do. Spend eighty percent on basketball. So what Stewart
was saying the SEC coaches, which this has come up

(49:02):
this historical year in college basketball, Wait a second, Nato,
it's Alabama can't spend the same amount of money as
Mark feugh. That's too bad. And listen, I'm far from
a Gonzaga fan, but if the ramifications are that Gonzaga
and other of those types of schools gonna put the
middle finger up to the SEC. I'm all in. I'm
one hundred percent in. I think yeah, but that's also

(49:23):
the reality of it. I'm gonna finish with this and
something I feel really strongly about. We'll get to We
won't have a ton of time today on this, but
I'm just gonna finish with this. I heard H MJ
in the midday. He was reading a thing from Jay Billis,
and I'm always I'm constantly amused and somewhat confused by j. Billis.
One of the smartest people in sports media. He's got
a lot of degree and everything else, and he says

(49:44):
some of the dumbest things I've ever heard. He's also
one of those guys, like a lot of people, not Stuart,
but a lot of people that cover college sports that
hate college sports, which I've never quite understood that either
like you hate what you cover? You know, I what
what do you mean? Like It's not a perfect system
in any way, shape or form. But he was talking
about how the American colleges and university should not be

(50:07):
responsible and I'm paraphrasing here, should not be responsible for
developing our Olympic athletes in this country, our country, should
I agree, But what percentage of college gymnasts are on
the US gymnastics team, like zero point one percent? Yeah,
most of them aren't that Like a college the best
college gymnastics gymnasts, for the most part, aren't. They're not

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our Olympic team. No, Right, there's some Jordan Gilds at UCLA. Right,
there's some, but they're not. But it's not majority. But
and then you know, like, that's not what the job is.
The job of university is still to be a university
and provide an education. That's still the job of the university.
And I don't know if it was Billis or somebody
else saying there's no such thing as a student athlete anymore.

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That is quite possibly one of the one of the
worst things I've heard somebody say. I mentioned Coastal Carolina.
I know a student athlete. She was at all She
was a defensive player of the week in the Sun Belt.
She ended up being the top student in her department,
a political science at Coastal Carolina. She had four point zho.

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She's going to law school Scattle unixt Fall. She's a
Division one soccer player, started almost every game over two
years she's a student first, but she's also a really
good athlete, like you go through. Look at the roster
for the rain Actually, Andrews, you could have speak to
this better than anybody. Look at the roster for the
Portland Thorns, which you probably know more. How many of

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those of the women on that roster that are American?
How many of them? Do you think? What percentage are
college graduates? Like at least ninety exactly? Yes, exactly? Yes,
what percentage would be college graduates if not for soccer?
Smaller percentage?

Speaker 7 (51:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Right, yeah, so there has to be a balance here.
But don't ever tell me there's no such thing as
a student athlete. And there are student athletes at lower
schools too. Andrews was one, mm hmm, Seattle, You okay,
like you were a student one? My son was one. Yes,
it's not we have this weird, monopic little world that

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we live in. It's like that, you know, if you're
not if your name's not Jalen Milroe at Alabama, then
you don't matter.

Speaker 9 (52:21):
I'm paying attention to the one percent and.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
That that one percent carries the bucket as far as
finances are concerned. But there is still there is still
there are still student athletes out there and it's still
in important part of the college experience for literally tens
of thousands of young men and women across the country.
We have to do better with that. We must do

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better with that. We must understand that losing we are
going to I'll disagree star, we are going to lose sports.
We will lose sports. Maybe it will just be men's sports,
but if they can equal it out and drop a
woman's sport as well. If you're running cross country, if
you're playing tennis, if you're playing golf, if you play

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baseball or even softball, those are non revenue generating sports.
Men's soccer is always one of the first ones to go.
Men's soccer. Wrestling is almost non existent on the West
Coast now non existent, and we have great high school
wrestling programs right in our state matt Classic every year.
It's an unbelievable event to come a home. Those kids
have nowhere to go afterwards. A lot of D three

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schools which have almost every sport because there's no athletic scholarships,
they don't even have wrestling anymore. A lot of times
we need to do better. We need to do better.
I don't know what the answer is, but this ain't it.
But don't ever tell me there's no such thing as
a student athlete. Don't ever say that there are the

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majority of people in an athletic department, whether it's a
big school in the SEC Big ten or a small
school non power five, group of five, group of four,
whatever we call it now, Division one A FCS, Big Sky,
Division two, Division three A AI, there are tens of

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thousands of student athletes across this country, and we've got
to do a better job of understanding that there is
still a need for that as well. We'll take a
break and all right, real quick, something good here for you.
Maple Valley open, sold out, already done? You called it

(54:34):
sold out? It is sold out? Wait say out again?
Sold out? Sold out? Congratulations the yeah found out this morning.
So like I've got a lot of people.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
What are we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Like I've I you listen to this radio show on Wednesday,
even if there was a baseball game going on, you
we got first crack at it. We told you about
it twice yesterday and as of this morning, which actually
has a last night I think it was uh they
shut her down. So there there's always a possibility the
cancelation or two. We do have like a waiting list

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already for folks. But but yeah, sold out, So just
big thanks. Everybody's already signed up and did so and
got in early and we're really excited about it July eleventh.
But so all of you that are signed up, we'll
see you there. If you didn't get there, hopefully next
year you can get in as well.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Come say hi, we'll be there.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
No, I don't come, sir, don't come say I'll be there.
I'm bringing some very.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
Cool specific I have something special.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Wow. Okay, gee, what about for the Huskies because you
are misshsk we don't talk.

Speaker 9 (55:40):
About them on this show, Miss Husky, just because I
celebrate setting it, we don't talk about them on this show.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
You put it in.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
The headline, thank you?

Speaker 9 (55:51):
No, all right, I'm not doing anything special for the
Huskies on the show.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
How about that show?

Speaker 9 (55:56):
I thought it was a pretty cool thing that a
pole vaulter beat her own twins stirs n C double
a record, and that's it. That's what I put it
in there and there. Now it's in the show, and.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Ian wouldn't read it because I'm paying you could have
twisted it as a whole thing. Oh, we might not
see pole vaulting anymore, you do because of the whole
and we may not. Well, yeah, it was the Danie
O'Neil Bitterman situation. I don't want to I don't want
to go down quite the road of uh of Danie
o'eil the Bitterman and stuff. But and especially and on
the negative note on this last day of the week.

(56:28):
But but yeah, I I when we're talking to a
student about the athletics, I'll go back all all nonsense
aside with Washington and everything else when we used to
and this is one of those things always forever burning
my memory. When we were doing the Windymere Cup on
the radio we call the Windymre Cup games, actually we
it was Bob Rondo was in the tower, the the

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bridge keeper, whatever the guy's called tower on the University Bridge,
the drawbridge, the Monty Bridge bridge preach. Yeah, he was
there with a former crew member from the University of
Washington and they would and then I was at the
start finish line on the cut on the Motley Cut
and we did that probably three or four years. By

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the way, you could also plan your weather for that
day for three or four years, because it was always
raining on that first Saturday in May. But it was
another The Wintermare Cups are really cool deal and it's
a really fun event and opening day for boating season,
and that's a big part of what we are on
the Puge of Sound. But one of the years we
were there, Washington had just i think under the Great

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Todd Turner, the Athletic direct had just cut men's women's swimming, diving,
et cetera. Now they didn't have a great facility for
at their pool. I think was only twenty five meters
if I'm not mistaken that somebody might correct me, but
it was. But it got cut like a week before
the Windomre Cup. One of the traditions there at the
Winter Cup used to be that the swimming team would
be there on the cut and at the end of
the races would dive in and do like a little

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thing and swim around and stuff, and it was kind
of a little and it was fun. That was the
last time they did it, and we watched them do it.
I watched them do it live and I talked about
it on the radio that day, and it was heartbreaking
that was before I had you know, all my kids
were young, younger, a lot younger at the time. But
it was heartbreaking to me because I thought, these young
I'm gonna say it again, student athletes work their ass
off to get to that level, pack ten, pack twelve

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swimming to get to that level, and they had no option.
They were done. They want to stay Washington. I guess
they could finish the which you'd probably want to finish
a jury at the University of Washington, absolutely, and instead
that's that's where they were. And it was heartbreaking. And
so when I hear all that stuff, it does jump
in so, you know, I in the back of my mind,
I keep thinking about that and thinking about where we

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are with this this House ruling. And it is ironic
that the name on it is a swimmer at the
Arizona State, a non revete a male swimmer at Arizona State,
a non revenue sport that they use as the thing.
So anyway, okay, see what else did I want to
get done? So yeah, mayor and maybe while we opened
to sold out, we're done with that.

Speaker 9 (59:02):
But people can still help if they want to correct
because they can donate.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, we'll get to that later. Okay, it's really complicated.
It's hard because it's we I got you. Raffles and
stuff like that are for people that are playing. So
that's kind of what we're going into. That's true. Otherwise
we have.

Speaker 9 (59:16):
It's just we'll list all the websites for all the foundations.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, all that stuff. You know, when you can help
buy a growler of beer when we do the mayor,
I yes, okay, and that's August twenty. That's a fun
way to help. That's August twenty second. Father's Day this weekend,
Father's Day this weekend? Should we give away some tickets
to the Mariners game on Father's Day? Yeah, let's do it,
all right. We already got a winner for the first
par of right, yeah, all right, So you want to

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there's no way to know. There is no way to
know if you're going with your dad or whatever. I
would prefer that's who wins it, but really there's no
way to know. But if you want to go to
the game on Sunday, text into four nine, four or
five to one. I'll put it in your hands. If
you see something that jumps out at you, I will
you know, like, like, we're not gonna do the Portland

(01:00:02):
Sucks thing. If you see something jumps out at you, Andrews,
I'll leave it in your capable hands and we'll give away.
We go one pair for Sunday, great seats, Take dad
to the game, tell us who it is, and we'll
give those away to end the show. Uh, and we'll
head down to Cheney Stadium. Check in with Dave Softy
Maller next soft Yes, sir, what was the last time

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he threw a golf club.

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
Saturday?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Okay, so you you have that in believe it was Saturday.
Do you have that? You have that in common with
with Rory McElroy. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:00:45):
The difference is, well, is he gonna make the cut.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Ry right now? He's two above the cut line, so
he's in trouble.

Speaker 12 (01:00:52):
Well, then I was gonna say the difference is he's
about to make a ton of money. But the difference
is this will cost him a ton of money.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
This will cost him a lot of money.

Speaker 12 (01:00:59):
Hey, for his own flight, his own hotel is on Ubers,
all that stuff. So, yeah, it was either Friday or Saturday.
I don't remember what day it was. And I was
stuck on the bunker at our club at the Meridian Valley. Uh,
and I was about to max out, which is a
triple par right seven on a four. Yeah, and so
I just took my sixty and just chucked it across

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the car path.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
So I think it's safe to say we could confirm
it was the sixty degree wedge's fault, correct.

Speaker 12 (01:01:28):
But it was the really it was the it was
the wrist action and the follow through.

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
It was elite.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
It was Yeah, it was planning.

Speaker 12 (01:01:35):
Elite at this If there was a club throwing league
that was only for golfers, amateur hacks like us that
like to throw their clubs, like, that's a great idea.
We should introduce that as a part of the mayor
in Maple Valley.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Well, yeah, I know some guys that do get angry
that are playing in that thing. So my buddy Matt da.

Speaker 10 (01:01:53):
Composition, let's do it. Oh yeah you would. It's fun.

Speaker 12 (01:01:59):
I think goes fly I in forty fifty yards.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Somebody like a firework. You've probably had this happen. Uh,
somebody that I played with on a regular basis. I
think it was last winter. They found his a club
of his in one of the ponds that had had
the water mostly come out of that was that you?

Speaker 9 (01:02:18):
That was what?

Speaker 10 (01:02:19):
I know what you're doing? What are you talking about,
you son of a pick? I know what.

Speaker 12 (01:02:28):
Okay, the mud that went up my butt as I
got into that pond, That sixty I'm pretty sure is
still there by the way. That well, I think I
had to take about nine showers after that. All right,
But if you're gonna if you're gonna be a smart ass, okay,
then you got to talk about is it the sixty
degree wedge or was it the half of the broken

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freewood scheft that was in there?

Speaker 10 (01:02:50):
Which? What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I just remember I remember going.

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
Nicholson, idiot, put you up to this is what I
want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Know that Nicholson's didn't have to. But we were playing
out there last year. I remember them maybe mentioning it
to us.

Speaker 10 (01:03:02):
Yeah, well it's gone now, and I said, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I said to myself, boy, that's good to have in
the back pocket. You just never know.

Speaker 10 (01:03:07):
Hey, I freely admit it.

Speaker 12 (01:03:09):
That was also a rock on the footbridge on five
that's uh, purposely there so nobody will stick a golf
cart on that bridge. You know why it's there because
I tried to stick a golf cart of the bridge
about twenty years ago, and.

Speaker 10 (01:03:21):
They still let me join.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
You're you're Babel.

Speaker 10 (01:03:23):
They're dumbing my thought.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You're basically you're basically Roddy Dangerfield.

Speaker 10 (01:03:27):
I have an absolute menace. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, no, I've heard that. I've heard I should.

Speaker 12 (01:03:31):
I used to get my speaker out and say, let's
dance and just start going crazy on the golf course.

Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
Looks good on.

Speaker 11 (01:03:37):
You, though.

Speaker 10 (01:03:38):
Four of those those nine of those, six of those, ten.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Of those, that's it. We are we having the kjr
outing again this year where Jackson can come and get
mad and.

Speaker 10 (01:03:45):
So absolutely yeah, we're doing that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Jackson comes out and like he just finished playing a
wreck game into la fitness of basketball and wonder wonders
why that he can't wait?

Speaker 10 (01:03:55):
Like that, Jackson is just kind of done with the
whole golf.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Can we What do you mean?

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
What do you mean you could do this overpose cigars
with your friend Jay again?

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:04:04):
There you go, Yeah I did that. She would love that.
Somebody everybody.

Speaker 12 (01:04:10):
When you guys came last year, the one thing I
kept hearing over and over again, Hey how about justin though?

Speaker 10 (01:04:14):
When she coming back. Wow, jealous me coming back like that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
People didn't they say when's Benton coming back now?

Speaker 12 (01:04:27):
They never said that. Yeah, and they said when's he
coming back to and make sure I'm not here?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Listen.

Speaker 12 (01:04:35):
I looked up and I swore to God, Andrews, you're
on the board right now, right are back there?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:04:39):
And you were playing with with uh? Yes, it was
was it you or Benton that licked his finger and
held us?

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Who does that sound like me? Or Mike Ben.

Speaker 10 (01:04:49):
Check it?

Speaker 12 (01:04:50):
I mean, who does that like? Is not the biggest
in the world. Let me liicked my pointer finger and
hold it up in the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Not only that he lines up his driver and his
tea to exactly where the driver switch pot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You know, well, he's playing in the mayor. So I
think I'm gonna make sure I put him and right
in front of you, softy. We love the captain, We
love we love him. He's he'll take that thing way
more serious than I did it. I'm guessing with him
playing that, Georgetown won't have to give away as many
gift cards because because he was playing with me. Though, Yes,

(01:05:23):
a good point.

Speaker 10 (01:05:24):
We got we got some cool prizes this year, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah, and I appreciate your help. It's cool. We got
some great people helping us out messing.

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
Right, did you make a call on the the two
people I want.

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
To bring with me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I think it's a yes. I haven't got confirmation. I
think it's I think it's about a ninety percent yes.
I'm waiting for one final confirmation from above, but oh
I will I think that guy. Hey, you know what,
how do you sell more raffle tickets that because of that?

Speaker 12 (01:05:46):
Bring them?

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah? Exactly? All right, what are you doing today?

Speaker 12 (01:05:51):
Let's see, Well, we're at Cheney Stadium at Takoma for
the Rainiers game tonight. Chuck's gonna hop on at six
before he calls the game with Riley Tonight over on
nine fifty am. Okay, obviously we'll talk about the finals game,
that crazy hockey game last night. I think samat Taylor
is going to join us. He's down here with the
Rainers roster. No hop on before BP. We'll do our
bracket coming up at five and Hu buildin a little

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more at four with Hugh at four o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Jackson is very excited for the bracket today, but very exciting.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
Yeah, well, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
It doesn't take much I forgot Andrews. Did we get
away the tickets? Yes we did, all right. We give
you our Father's Day tickets as well. Thanks for being
texted in Softy. You have a great weekend. We'll see
you later Mite.

Speaker 12 (01:06:28):
We're the mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
This is paddle day, saying so long everyone,