June 26, 2025 • 46 mins
DP reacts to the first round of the NBA Draft and the Dallas Mavericks drafting Cooper Flagg with the first overall pick. Which picks were surprises? NFL insider Mike Florio details the NFL collusion case and breaks down the murky situation in Pittsburgh with a fanbase searching for playoff success.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio last night.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
A couple of surprises, But really this is kind of
the let's reintroduce or maybe introduce you to some of
the players who might be playing some minutes in the
NBA next season. I'm going to throw out a couple
of names and then you tell me if you can
guess where I'm going and maybe even recognize them. If
(00:26):
I said Bub Carrington or I said Jalen Wells, Eve's Missy, where.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Are we going?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm talking about NBA players who were rookies last year.
Bub Carrington played the most minutes of any rookie last year.
He was drafted fourteenth by the Wizards. Jalen Wells second
most minutes. He was drafted thirty ninth by the Grizzlies.
Eves Missy, who played for the Pelicans, drafted twenty first.
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He was fourth on the list. Stefan Castle third on
the list. He was drafted fourth overall by the Spurs.
So what am I getting at? You can be drafted high,
you can be drafted in the lottery. That doesn't mean
you're going to have those kind of minutes. I think
we feel like, you know, the old days. When you're
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drafted in the first ten picks fifteen picks, you're playing
right away.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Reed.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Shephard did not play for the Rockets last year, and
I played five hundred minutes, but he was a G
League player.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
He was the third pick.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Overall, you're drafting players and it's almost like you're drafting
them they're going to be on your roster, but it's
not like it's sort of like baseball where they draft
and then you disappear for a couple of years and
then you come back. You know, you go to the
minor leagues. These players are kind of there or maybe
in the G League and then they might contribute. Now,
(01:58):
do I think Dylan Harper is going to play a
significant minutes for the Spurs?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Is Cooper Flagg going to play significant minutes for the
Dallas Mavericks?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I do Ace Bailey.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In Utah vj Edgecombe. I don't know how much he's
gonna play for the seventy six ers. They already have
their guards there. So you're trying to figure this out
of Okay, you drafted a guy, what's that mean for
our team right away? How many of these guys will
have a true impact? And you're gonna have some projects here,
(02:31):
and you might have a guy who plays for a
team who then gets traded and then becomes something in.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Two or three or four years.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Because you're drafting eighteen year olds nineteen year olds in
college baseball, they're at least twenty two to twenty three,
so it's different. But it'd be like taking an eighteen
year old high school phenom in baseball. You're not going
to the majors, he's going to the miners. Well, you're
gonna get guys who are gonna play sparingly with a
(03:02):
lot of these first round picks, if they even make
the team. If I said to Monty Kamara, he led
in minutes the previous year for the Portland Trailblazers Kyante George,
he had the second most minutes in the previous draft.
He was sixth sixteenth overall. So there's no sure things.
(03:26):
I mean, do I expect Ace Bailey to be a
good player, I guess, But the situation you're in really
dictates how quickly you become successful. If you go to
a bad roster, a bad organization, it's already an uphill
battle you're going in. You're going to be a rookie.
(03:46):
You're just trying to survive. Now you're on a team
with a bunch of knuckleheads, and you've got to you know,
the history is systemic of how bad you are, and
there's a reason why those organizations stay bad.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They're not relevant.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Danny Ainge didn't care that Ace Bailey didn't want to
go to Utah. Danny Inge said, all right, we'll take you.
You don't want to go to Philly or Charlotte. He
didn't want to go to Utah. He wanted to go
to Brooklyn, and he wanted to go to Washington because
he wants to be a star right away. I want
my shots. I want to play right away. If I
go to Charlotte and LaMelo ball is going to be dominating,
(04:26):
you know, he's ball dominant there. Doesn't want to go
to the Sixers. Okay, they're kind of a mess. Didn't
want to go to Utah, and Danny Ainge said, that's
all right, but I'm still going.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
To take you. And got a lot of talent.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But I don't know if I don't know if this
strategy worked that he didn't want to work out for
certain teams, didn't want to go to Charlotte didn't want
to go to.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
The seventy six ers.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
He's he's too.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Talented to have dropped too far, And I think he
was hoping that he was going to drop maybe a
couple more picks, at least one more pick. He wanted
to go to the Pelickins. So the strategy didn't work.
You ended up in Utah. But Dallas did well, obviously
getting Cooper Flag. Who can now ease in two minutes
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if you played for another organization, You're like, all right,
we're coming out to see Cooper Flag. Well, you're going
to go out and see the Mavericks. With Cooper Flag,
there's a big difference. And we're going to go see
Cooper Flag and the nets, and I think the expectation
level will be very beneficial. Carmelo Anthony, former number one
overall pick now, an analyst for NBC with their NBA coverage,
(05:37):
had this to say about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
To me, he doesn't do anything great. He just do
a lot of very good. You know what I'm saying.
He offensive rebound very good. He in the passing lanes
very good. He's a weak side defender, very good on
ball defender.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
He got a lot better.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I want to see him against you.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I want to see him against Kady, I want to
see him against Luca. I want to see him against
ann Elwids because you coming in as that guy. If
he gota develop the right way, he got to get
a skill set. You can't be into pros and don't
have a skill set. So you have to have a
skill set, like your skill set have to be something
a wonderb full of, like something floater like.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
You have to have.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Something that's your go to right now, he don't have
a go to.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's Carmelo on Podcast P with Paul George discussing.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, I disagree with him of you know, what's
his bag? You can be a really good all around player.
There's value in that. They're looking at this from an
offensive perspective, so it's a myopic view of he's got
to have a signature move. Well, he's eighteen, and I
think his signature move is he doesn't have a signature move.
(06:50):
He's got a variety of things. He's not going to
be one dimensional. And look, Carmelo was incredible, but he
didn't really have much of a move. It was just
that jab step, but he was gonna nail it. He's
going to kill you mid range. But Carmelo was not
the all around player that Cooper Flag is. So there's
a difference in that. It's the value in that. But
(07:10):
Cooper Flag has an opportunity to learn. He can learn
from Kyrie, he can learn from Ad, he can learn
from Jason Kidd. If Jason Kidd still wants to be
the coach. Feels like that didn't go away yet. There
was a report yesterday that either the Knicks and Jason
Kidd are still holding out hope. But Nico Harrison, by
(07:33):
the way, you can't write a script for Nico Harrison
where you go, hey, listen to this pitch, Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
This guy he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Going to trade a franchise player, death threats. He can't
even go to games or they bow him. And you know,
the team had all kinds of injuries. You kind of
limped literally into the playoffs, and then all of a sudden,
long odds you win the lottery and then.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You get Coop for Flag.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
That's what happened.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So I guess the Mavericks had a good year.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Would you say, all the backlash you had, all the injuries,
Kyrie's going to be out for half the year. Probably
you get ad and you got bailed out, the ultimate
bailout probably in NBA history, where it's like, oh my god,
(08:29):
what did we do?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now we still do it again.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He didn't play any defense, and then you end up
with Cooper Flag. But watching last night, you know, it's
fun to see some of these names that you saw
kind of a you know, six months there were eighteen
freshmen drafted. This really was an introduction to rookie class
one oh one last night, and this bj Edgecombe. I
(08:55):
watched him.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I really liked him at Baylor.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't know what he's going to do in the NBA.
I don't know what any of the you know, con Canipple,
I don't know. I mean at Duke, all right, you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Can look a like a top five pick. I guess
at Duke.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
He's a really good shooter, but he is a you know,
stand still shooter. I don't know how much he's creating.
You're going to play in Charlotte, which good luck, Good Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Me he got some minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Probably I'm gonna gas, so I don't you know, you're
trying to figure any of this stuff out. Good luck,
because you're dealing mostly with freshman Dylan Harper. Not a
great shooter, but he can handle the ball well. San
Antonio's got the rookie of the year Stefan Castle and
dearon Fox. I'm gonna guess somebody is probably headed out
(09:50):
of town? Could San Antonio? Who missed out on And
I don't have any information on this. This is just
me watching the TV last night in between getting yelled
at by steven A.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Smith.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Not directly, it just felt like it was like, I
got to turn down. Can you have a volume when
steven A is on that I could just turn it
down just a little bit and then it's kind of
an auto adjust there.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You know it's steven A. Smith.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Don't they have the SAP or whatever? That is just
this will be the essays, Yeah, the essays where it's
like because he started yelling and I'm like, who is he?
Why are we yelling? And I think at one point
somebody said this, Bob Myers might have said, hey, this
is supposed to be a good night, a positive night.
I am positive. Slow down, slow down.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know who came up with that idea of
the louder you yelled, the more often you're gonna win
your argument.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Casparis jocket Tunis can't play. I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Where I was before I get a lot of eighteen
year olds drafted.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, it's the worst thing you could be in basketball,
a graduating senior for your senior.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, okay, Danny Wolf played at Yale and then went
to Michigan. Now, Marvin loved Danny Wolf.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Love his game, big fan.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But I don't know if he was a senior.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
He was a junior at Michigan. Okay, I don't know
if there was a senior taken last night. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's the worst thing to be is a US born
senior going into the draft. If your senior year, it's like, hey,
maybe second round, late second round.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yes, the only thing worse would be a fifth year
senior the Armando Baycott syndrome, as we like to call
it here, played five years at North Carolina, just played
great basketball and couldn't get in.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, I misspoke with Mellow. Mellow's thorough all pick not
number one.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Pick, reminding Detroit fans about that.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes, that's true. Yeah you should have left that out. Yes,
all right, So play of the day is coming up.
Thank you for setting me straight on that with carmelon.
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(12:25):
of Danny Wolf, I don't know if he was happy
to go there or maybe got happier that his name
was called. But he was just kind of sitting there
and then all of a sudden they called his name.
But Brooklyn Nets. They drafted four guards, three point guards,
and they drafted Danny Wolf, who was a point center.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
He was crying Wolf.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Oh wow, I go dang.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That's fine.
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We analyze the draft, and we analyze it in our way,
not necessarily the way most people do or should. But
we were troubled by the hats that the players are wearing.
They don't fit. Also, if you get traded, and some
people pointing out Scott Van Pelt brought this up last
night on his Sports Center show, so shout out to SVP.
(14:00):
But we thought about maybe a sash or a visor,
or maybe a chain that you could wear, and then
you could exchange that if you had to, so it'd
be a little bit more of a smoother transition. I'm
thinking about marketing, you know, I'm all about marketing here.
Its product placement is what it is. But I'm watching
(14:21):
and this is the moment. Okay, granted you're eighteen years
of age and nineteen years of age, but still it's
the moment that you thought of dreamed of, your chance.
You're getting drafted. Next thing you know you're taking off
your Orlando hat and putting a Cleveland hat on, not
exactly how you scripted it, Like, Hey, this is that
dream moment that I've always thought of where I get
(14:43):
to exchange hats with throw out somebody's name, Asa Newle,
Derek Queen here, and I know that you know the
NBA is trying to push product on us, but this
is how about we wait until after the first round
(15:05):
and everybody can put their hats on. Okay, maybe we
get a group photo picture day and everybody's got their
hats on, so we can do the marketing without the
silly put that hat on right now, it doesn't fit,
it doesn't matter, just put it on, Yes, Dylan, what
if a business.
Speaker 10 (15:21):
Idea they make like a Swiss army knife hat where
you can kind of just spin pieces around and get
a different logo and colors will workshop.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Then Dylan's in for Seaton Minister of Humors Here, Fritzy
Marv Pauli, Yours truly Stat of the Day is always
brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards
of the Dan Patrick Show. I didn't even answer the
question last hour because we were talking about mythological figures.
We're talking about Will Chamberlain with his numbers and Babe
Ruth with his numbers. Muhammad Ali Marvin brought up Michael Jordan,
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you know, a mythological figure, but he did everything right
in front of us. Ruth was word of mouth. Bo Jackson.
We were able to see him with the Royals, also
with the Raiders. Alie, you got to see the big fights,
not all of his fights, but yeah, I get that.
There was a even Mike Tyson when he first started out,
(16:15):
there was this oh my god, who is this guy?
And then all of a sudden you saw him and
then you realize, kid dynamite was here to stay. That
was the Sports Illustrated cover in nineteen eighty six. But
I mentioned that we get caught up in Bo Jackson
his NFL career and was he wonderful. Yes, in a
brief whatever window. That was just like baseball, he tantelized.
(16:40):
He teased us, It's like, oh my gosh, this is different.
That speed, that power, that arm in baseball, that speed,
that power in the NFL, and it was just incomplete.
And then you know, I said, you know, Bo is
a great running back, but I believe Jim Harty Ball,
(17:01):
the quarterback, had more rushing yards than Bo Jackson. And
all of a sudden, I can see the Danets heads.
They're exploding. They're like, no, not Jim Harball. Yes, because
Jim Harball played a long time in the NFL, and
I think he has a few more yards than Bo
Jackson career wise.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, my computer was shut down when I try to
search this because I didn't believe this was an actual topic.
Bo Jackson had twenty seven hundred and eighty two rushing yards.
Jim Harbaugh had twenty seven hundred and eighty seven rushing yards.
Five more bonus coverage. Bo Jackson sixteen rushing touchdowns in
his career, Jim Harbaugh eighteen.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
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scant of a day.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This is the stule.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of the day, drawn to you by BANDI America. And
haven't both of these great runners had hip surgery? Bo did,
and I think Jim Harball just had hip surgery. You
know it happens to the great running runners of all time.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, Paul, to be fair, I checked Bo Jackson's zero
career passing years.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, Yeah, unfortunately, mm hmm. Better player, Harball or Bo Jackson.
That old topic.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So I don't know if it went as scripted last
night because of Ace Bailey that there were teams he
didn't want to go to, didn't want to work out for.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Which I have no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I you know, the problem I'd have is if he said, Hey,
I'm going to go to Philadelphia work out, then all
of a sudden he doesn't work out. If he says
or his agent says, he doesn't want to go there,
doesn't want to go to Charlotte, he would like to
go to Washington or Brooklyn. Well, Danny Ainge is like,
I don't care. I'm taking the best player available. I'm
taking you. I don't think he wanted to go to Utah.
(18:50):
He didn't seem too thrilled. Who is the kid who's
going to Toronto? Because he was not thrilled at all.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
What's his name? Colin something Something.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Colin Murray Boyle's.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
When they said, you know, and the Toronto Raptors select
and then he might have had a one word response there, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
He shook his head at first.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't know if it's I think he was upset.
I think his girlfriend was upset as well, by the
way he won the lottery last night. He was in
the lottery and yes he did, Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
She plays in South Carolina, right she does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't think she was happy either that Toronto here
we come. Hey, get to Toronto. I love that city.
I loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yes, yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think Toronto
would get that type of reaction, like I don't want
to go to this beautiful international city.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, but travel wise, you know, customs and passport, not
flying coach, I know, but you know I have global entry.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Oh I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, what is that clear thing? I don't you can
just I can walk anywhere. Really with global entry, it
feels like I might be a copilot.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Okay, what are the rankings?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Ts?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
TSA pre check?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah? TSA pre check is level one? Clear is level two?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And what do you have? I have a clear and
global entry? Yeah, I'm not joking around.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's the highest of it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Global entry is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Global entry is awesome. That's just where you go up
to one of those screens and then they look at
you and they do the facial recognition that's like, boom,
you're through.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Let's just sit in the cockpit if you want.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I think there's a chance I could be a
copilot if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But yeah, do you guys have global entry?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
No, I just had the TSA pre check.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Okay, same, Yeah, I'm a clear guy. Yeah. Clear is
good too.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
At the same thing, you know, you see the people
with the checkered shirts, and then they are they fast
track you to the front of the line.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, it's well, you just have to get
your fingerprint. Yes, I got through fine, so it's nice. Yeah,
you just cut the line. You can use it actually
at like events too, like city field, you can use
clear to cut the line to get in.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh, it's a bonus.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, you have a global entry. Two thumbs up. Now
I had to. It takes a little bit of work
to get a global entry, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yes, hun.
Speaker 11 (21:34):
They also have unclear, which is a super But they
look at you like kind of fuzzy, like maybe it's
gonna be a little while. Let me talk to my manager,
then me eventually look at there.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
All right, I'll give you a blue, okay, give you
a blue.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Fifty bucks it's worth it.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
Just another ten to fifteen minutes of waiting.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh yes, I have unclear.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Okay, come on in, all right, So Dylan's in for
seat and he'll do the pole question.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
What's the hour two pole question? And let's clean up
hour one?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
All right, Dan?
Speaker 10 (22:00):
So the results from our one, still cruising at fifty
two percent, is Cooper Flag's NBA career will meet expectations
for our two. Who is the most mythical athlete ever?
Babe Ruth Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, bo Jackson or other.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yes, I don't think Michael is mythological. Definitely not for
our generation because we saw him nightly. I would throw
Pete Marovitch in there, one of your favorite players, because
his best work was done at LSU and there's very
little video, and guys of my age and I'm not young,
didn't see any of it. To me, that's mythological.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean he's averaging forty four forty five a game.
I mean we talked about will average in fifty in
the NBA. I would say for a generation that didn't
see Michael Jordan, I could understand the mythological feel. If
you're in your twenties, then you probably go, man, I
got to see some highlights here. But there's so much
(22:58):
more available to Michael Jordan's career than a lot of
these other players, like Wilt you know, some of the
greats of the Oscar Robertson. Most people saw Oscar when
he played for Milwaukee when he wasn't Oscar Robertson. He
was just a great point guard. But that was Kareem's team,
and that wasn't a great team.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You want to talk.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
About what Lebron did with the Cabs and taking them
to the NBA Finals, Kareem with that Milwaukee team, that
wasn't a great team. I mean, if you look at
that roster, you know they I don't think there was
anybody close to being a Hall of Famer on there.
Bobby Dandridge was on there, but you know, John McLaughlin,
(23:44):
I'd have to look or reminiscent about that. Lucius Harris
might have been on that team too, Yes, Marvin Bobby
Danger's Hall of Famer, Okay, but yeah, that roster was
on a great roster and they didn't have a legionary coach.
Larry Costello was the coach.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
For that team.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
But yeah, you know when you have Luel sindor a coach,
it helps.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, there's what time practices.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's like they interviewed the Montverde coach last night and
he you would have thought he was John Wooden. You know,
he's talking about all these great players that he's had.
I mean, it's a prep school, and you know they
keep saying this could be the greatest high school team
of all time. Well, you're trying to get the best
players to go there. It's not like it's a local
(24:35):
high school team.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
They didn't play together in eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
No, no, no, So when we go greatest, you know
O Kill used to do this back in the day. Man,
this could be the best high school team ever. It's
a training academy. I like to think the best high
school team of all time is players who are from
the area who went to the high school there, not
Mont Verde.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yes, yes, I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Not smirching Mont Verdi's academics because it might be a
great school. But I've met the Cooper flag was late
to a class. He's not sitting in detention for an
hour like a normal public high school.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
After Yeah, yes, Dylan, Well that's like IMG Academy in Florida.
They're like they just beat everyone by a hundred points,
and like they I think they sold the school for
like a billion dollars because it's just like a training factor.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yes, yes, So when we talk about great high school
teams of all time, let's put it in perspective. Are
you from the area around the high school? That's where
I would start. I remember what was it Calvert Calvert
Hall in Baltimore. Uh, that was a they were a powerhouse.
I mean there's been great, great teams, Uh, Eastern High
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and d C. I mean there go down the Ourbon day.
I remember that back back at Jamatha was great. Morgan Wooten, Yeah, PAULI, But.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Like mont Verde, mont Verdi is not like a normal
high school where the JV is a bunch of guys
like me, you know, the JV squad. It is probably
a second team all Americans.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
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Speaker 3 (26:12):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
If you're watching on peacock, thank you for downloading the
Let's see Jim in Michigan, Hi Jim, what's on your
mind today.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
Hey, hey Dan, I would say, first, non Dan had
to get gonged last week, and I have two more
questions about the gong, and again I won't call back.
This will be my last two. Who has the succession
of the gong if you're like on vacation or you're
out for the day, or I'm the on vacation, nobody
who okay? And the other one. Can anybody else call
(26:43):
for the gong other than yourself?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yes, you can call for it. I mean, I take
request here, Jim.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
Okay, now, okay, that's what I wanted to get the
rule book on the gong. And he says, I was
the first Non Dan answer.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Just gong Jim again, a two time gonger. Gunga gunga
gonga gunga.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, Fritz, She's like, you know, you haven't used the
gong on me in a while, and I go, give
me reason, and I will.
Speaker 11 (27:16):
It's weird. I crave positive and negative the gong.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You were just not a good thing to I told him.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I said, hey, there's been a lot of positivity and
then you go, I know, but you know, sometimes it's
okay if you recognize something I did wrong, I.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Said, Okay, that's that whole ug. You just want to
be talked about.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Isn't that said?
Speaker 11 (27:37):
You would like why why? Why would someone need that?
How much attention do you need?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I've been trying to figure this out for over twenty years.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Go about your business.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
If people want to talk about it, great, but don't like,
look forward or encourage it's not necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Alrighty uh do you have the pole? So we have
the poll question for hour two, right, dylly?
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Yep?
Speaker 10 (27:55):
Who's the most mythical athlete of all time? I only
had four slots, so it's Babe Ruth, Wilt, Jordan or.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Other So Bo, Babe Wilt, Babe Wilt, and Jordan.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
Unless we're ruling out Jordan from that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, you know, a different generation who didn't see him
on a nightly basis. Bo Jackson probably more so because
you know, he played in Kansas City, played for the Raiders,
but didn't play a long time for either He could
have been a Hall of Famer in either sport if
he had picked either sport. But the whole and I
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always thought there was a little tension between him and
Dion because Bo may have looked at Dion as, oh,
you're doing this because of me. But Dion did it
at a very high level in baseball, and I don't
know how much longer he played than Bo, but you know,
the whole helicopter thing, and I don't know, it felt
like Bo did this. And then even when Bou was
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running one time when Florida State played Auburn, and Dion
talks about, now I'm as fast, but he wasn't Bo
Jackson fast. And he talked about when Bo put his
hand on his helmet almost as if you know he's
it's in church where they put their hands on your
head and then bless you and put him put him
down on the ground. When Dion tells that story, he's
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so animated.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Do you have that, Marvin? Okay, here's Dion.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
When I played for Florida State as a freshman. True story.
Bou was at Alburn back in the back to Brent
full Ward. Probably the best hand of the running backs
I've ever seen in college. These guys are unbelievable, and
you know, you know, you heard of bow Jacks, so
you're kind of in awe as a young collegiate. I'm
seventeen years old playing Florida State eight eighteen at the time,
just during eighteen, Bo goes behind the huddle in alburn
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It throws his hands up as if he was sick.
Designed the crowd to get it up. They start cheering
and appalliting, and I was playing left corner. BO got
a sweep to his left away from me and hit it.
I mean hit it, and he was gone. I came
out of nowhere because that was I could fly, came
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and got him, ran up on him like it was
no other. With his right arm, he extended it, placed
it on my helmet like as if he was praying
for me, palming my helmet and stiffed me down and
kept going into the end zone like I wasn't even there.
That was my bow Jackson moment.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I could fly and he hit it. Yeah, Paul, you could.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Find this clip on YouTube and it's exactly like he said.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio wap UH.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
There's always a crowd around Mike Floria because he's really popular.
He is a football insider. I hope to graduate one
day to be.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
A football insider.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do you guys like a newsletter like you stay in
touch with Glazier and Chefty and are their dues, you know,
like tight End University, the NFL insider you and Rapaport.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
Well, I think the reality is if there was a
club of insiders, I'd be the outsider.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's true. Can the NFL Draft get any bigger?
Speaker 9 (31:21):
No? No, but it will. They just stumble into things.
It's amazing the NFL's business model just kind of float along,
and when something happens it looks like adversity, it turns
into a positive. The reason the draft became this traveling
road show with hundreds of thousands of people is because
they had a conflict in twenty fifteen at Radio City
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Music Hall because there was an Easter spectacular that conflicted
with the preferred day of the draft. So the NFL said, well,
we got to go somewhere else. Let's go to Chicago. Hey,
that was pretty good. Let's go back to Chicago. Hey,
let's go somewhere else. Let's go to Philly. And that
was the moment that shot. I still remember it, the
shot of a thousand the people by the library there,
It's like, oh man, the draft is different now and
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it's going to keep growing and growing, but relative to
everything else, it can't get much bigger.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
It can't. And it's amazing.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Because they could do it by a group text if
they wanted to.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Well, it's like Coachella.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's a music festival for the NFL, and it's Pittsburgh
next year. I don't know did they decide on the
following year d d Okay.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
National Mall, but they are dan.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
There was some reporting, I think from Sports Business Journal
they're trying to find more stuff they can drop. Tuesday, Wednesday,
the fourth Draft Sunday extend it, have more reasons to
have more people show up beyond Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
We got a couple of teams with some stadium deals.
It feels like, you know, Cleveland, I guess going to
be moving out of downtown. Washington wants to move back
into downtown. The Bears are they moving out? Like what's
going on with these teams and stadiums.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Well, you've got the Browns that look to be moving
to suburban brook Park. They're putting the pieces in place
to make that happen. The Bengals have a deal to
State put at pay Course Stadium in Cincinnati. Reportedly until
the middle of the next next decade with the Bears
and also with Washington. You know, this was presented when
the deal was done with great fanfare. There's the commissioner,
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there's owner Josh Harris, there's the mayor of d C.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
We have a deal. We have a deal. Well wait
a minute, we don't have a deal because the DC
Council has to approve it.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
And I think it's getting harder and harder Dan, to
get the kind of public money that you need to
build these stadiums, because I'd say the appetite of the
average taxpayer is why why are you using public money
when these franchises are worth more and more all the
time ten billion minimum after the Lakers recent sale that
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had evaluation of the franchise at ten billion. So pay
for it yourself. And I was making that point earlier
this week because Josh Shapiro, the Pennsylvania Governor, said some
things that initially were misinterpreted by the ap But ultimately
the message is we're not going to be given out
a ton of public money here at some point, pay
for it yourself. You know, Dan, when you go to
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the grocery store, the grocery store is there for the
benefit of the public, right, we all.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Going to buy our groceries.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
I never hear stories about the government giving the grocery
store chains millions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
To build their stores. And that's what a football stadium is.
It's a big store that they lure thousands.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Of people too. Why is it something that the public
has to pay for? The people putting on the show
are the ones that should be expected to pay for.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
He's Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host that
show Precedes Hours with Chris Sims and his book's Father
of Mine, Son of Mine, available in ebook form on
Amazon for only ninety nine cents. The collusion story that
you in Pablo Tore colluded on to talk about the collusion,
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how did okay, let's do it for the fan?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Does the fan? Should the fan care about this?
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Well, the fan doesn't care about it because I think
one of the problems is the fan just assumes that
that's how business is done. They assume the NFL is
one giant company and the teams are thirty two branches
and they coordinate and collude all the time. The problem
is that they are thirty two separate businesses. They shouldn't
be colluding, conspiring, coordinating on anything that doesn't fall within one.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Of their anti trust exemptions.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
They've got a broadcast anti trust exemption, and they've got
an anti trust exemption to.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Deal with their union generally, not with the players individually.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
And I think the question is, and I just got
to text a little bit ago that is going to
spark another story at PFT, how widespread is this collusive
activity that we finally have found evidence of. Even though
the NFL won the grievance they were caught with their
hand in the collusion cookie jar, how else are they
doing it? For example, are they doing it with coaches?
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I believe they are. I've believed for years that they
collude when it comes to coaches to hold down what
coaches made. There's no salary cap, right, but there's also
no salary floor. They collude, I believe, on all sorts
of things because they operate as one company.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Even though they're supposed to be competing. And the point
I made, and I don't.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
Know if you've talked about the text messages between Dean
Spanos and Michael Bidwell. Spanos congratulates Bidwell on getting Cardinal's
quarterback Kyler Murray signed to a contract that wasn't fully guaranteed,
and Spano says, this helps with our quarterback. You know
the point I've been making, Dan does the CEO of
PEPSI call up the CEO of Coke and say congratulations
on getting your director of research signed to this contract
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because now we can use the same term.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
So no, they're in competition.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
But I think because the average fan just assumes there's
a certain amount of arm locking, they don't care.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
But they should care.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
They should care because it's an example of how business
gets done in ways that it shouldn't get done.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Any fallout from this, like what's next, Well, it all depends.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Upon I believe what the players do.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Now.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
Will the players who are in charge of the union
push back against union management which hid this thing for
five and a half months, that's the biggest part of this.
Then the players union through that ruling on January fifteen.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
January fourteen, excuse me of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
They acquired a hammer that they could use against the
NFL in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
And what did they do.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
They stuck it in a drawer and locked it for
five and a half months until Pablo finally got it,
and I credited him forgetting it because I tried every
way I possibly could, and I'm gonna take some credit
because I kept banging and banging and banging to get
people to understand this thing's out there and it's important
and somebody needs to get it, especially because they were
hiding it. I understand why the league hit it, because
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the league looks bad. I don't understand why the Union
hit it. And it all comes down to whether or
not the players who are in leadership positions at the
Union insist on more and whether they take this thing
now and finally do use it as a hammer and
find other ways to push and pressure the NFL to
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get a better overall deal for the players.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I know that we've talked a lot, You've talked a lot.
Everybody's talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers,
and I feel like we don't separate Rogers the football
player from Rogers the person and his opinions, and he
can be polarizing. I just want to know the football
part of this with Aaron Rodgers, I know, with his age,
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but with that team, I know he says that this
is it a one year deal? But what are your
expectations for this team?
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Well, first of all, when he said the other day,
he's pretty sure this is it. Is that really anything
that we didn't already believe? Yeah, we're all pretty sure
this is it. He's in his early forties, he's had injuries,
he's been banged up.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
His mobility isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 9 (39:10):
But what I think, Dan, when you look at Rogers,
the quarterback, the thrower, the arm is still there. And
if he can resist his temptation to try to run
like he used to, because I think that's how he's
going to get himself hurt.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
He's got to adopt the.
Speaker 9 (39:26):
Tom Brady late career mindset of the moment, I feel
the walls closing in, I'm getting rid of the ball.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Now.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
For Rogers, who regards his touchdown to interception ratio as
the thing that makes him the best of all time,
he might not be as inclined as Brady was to
just throw the ball up into the air. And we
saw Brady do it over and over again. He did
it multiple times in the NFC Championship game that the
Buccaneers eventually won over Rogers and the Packers when in doubt,
get rid of it if it gets picked off, So what,
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at least I didn't get blown up.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
That's the key.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
Rogers has to prioritize not getting hit. He's got to
get rid of the ball. He's got to get the
ball down the field and he can't try to run
with it.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
He's got to play like he did. Remember the year
that he had.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
The calf injury and he stayed in the middle of
the pocket. He's got to play like he's got that
calf injury, because if he starts getting hit, he will
have a calf injury and a knee injury, and a
hip injury, and rib injuries and a shoulder injury. Because
these guys literally are half his age that are chasing
him around.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, who came up with the you know, he's the
best thrower of the football of all time? Okay, but
because if somebody said somebody is, he's the most athletic
basketball player I've ever seen, or he throws the ball
harder than any pitcher ever. My first my follow up
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question or first question would be, well, was he successful?
So you have the best greatest thrower of the football.
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Well, what it means is and I read the O'Connor
biography last year. You know when you walk out onto
a field and you're standing there and you hear a
sound and you don't know what the hell the sound is,
and you realize it's the sound that the ball makes
when Aaron Rodgers throws it, that few others can make.
That's what makes him the great thrower. And I defer
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to Chris Simms on this stuff. He's lived in and
around it his whole life. He was an NFL quarterback,
his dad was an NFL quarterback. And when he raised
about Rogers being the greatest he's ever seen, and the
problem is, yeah, you went to one super Bowl. And
there's a hell of a story to be told one
of these days on why the Packers failed to ever
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go back to another Super Bowl. They had it against
the Seahawks in the twenty fourteen NFC Championship and through
you know, an unprecedented This had to go wrong, This
had to go wrong, This had to go wrong, This
had to go wrong. They would have gone back and
they would have played the Patriots that year. But how
can Rodgers have only been to one Super Bowl? In
his entire career when you consider just how effortless, and
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it's like it's a lot of Patrick Mahomes, it's some
John Elway. Just an arm that is rare and special,
and I think that's what set him apart. But one
Super Bowl appearance and a couple of bad years with
the Jets, and I think he's just looking for something
to end his career that will make people forget about
his time in New York.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well, he's not the best quarterback of all time, but
it feels like we want to have a designation because
of you know, what he accomplished, But to me, it
leads to the follow up of what he didn't accomplished.
The greatest thrower of the football and then you look
at the losses. You know, regular season stats are incredible.
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H what four MVPs, all of those things. I just
it's weird how it's supposed to be a compliment but
it kind of brings about a yeah, but feels like
he underachieved.
Speaker 9 (42:55):
Well, that's right, and that's why I think he gets
sensitive about it and he only wants to say so
much about it.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Let's talk about my touchdown to interception ratio and nothing else.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
Right, and nothing else, because let's not talk about championships,
let's not talk about Super Bowl appearances. And when you
think about the embarrassment of riches the Packers have had
at quarterback since Brett Farv replaced Don Mkowski during a
nineteen ninety two regular season game.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
They go from Farv to Rogers and now Jordan Love.
Speaker 9 (43:22):
We don't know which way it's really going to skew
for him, but all those years of Farv and Rogers
and to have only two super Bowl wins to show
for it, when the Patriots got six with Tom Brady,
Yeah you got two, and there's plenty of teams that
would love to have won. But man, what a disappointment
to have two of the all time greats and only
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have two additional championships.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Speaking of Pittsburgh, I don't know if this could be
a package deal of Aaron Rodgers one year and Mike
Tomlin because now they're back into the we're gonna need
a quarterback that once, you know, Rodgers leaves and if
they don't, well, let's say they don't make the playoffs.
Let's say they go out in the first round. I
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get some point we can credit Mike Tomlin for being
a Hall of Fame coach. But just like we've done
with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, like after a while, and
John Harball's got the league MVP, you know, as his quarterback.
So I just wonder Mike Tomlin might be getting to
that sweet spot of I can go into TV right
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now and make a whole lot more money and have
a lot less headaches and I'm going into the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 9 (44:33):
Hey, Dan, I've lived in around Pittsburgh my whole life,
and the way the Steelers are behaving this offseason is
unlike anything they've ever done. The contract they gave the
Dk Metcalf market value for a guy who's never played
for the team before.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
They have never done that.
Speaker 9 (44:47):
They only get market value to their own players that
they have, that they know, that they trust and they
believe in. They're taking a roll of the dice with
Metcalf and then they assume the position for two plus
months with Aaron Rodgers. And I look, I I fully
believe that Mike Tomlin knew he was getting Aaron Rodgers.
They decided it was less of a distraction if he's
not on the team and not at off season workouts,
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then if he's on the team and not at off
season workouts. But still, it feels like a level of
desperation to end what will be a nine year streak.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Of no playoff wins.
Speaker 9 (45:18):
That's the longest the Steelers have gone between postseason wins
since they finally got their first win December twenty three,
nineteen seventy two, in the Immaculate Reception Game. So I
feel like there's a desperation there. And if they fail
to win a playoff game this year, what happens next?
I don't think they'll ever fire Tomlin. Maybe Tomlin will
decide it's time to move on. Maybe the Steelers will decide,
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you know what, if there's somebody else out there that
wants to give us multiple first round picks the John
Gruden package for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
Maybe we'll take it.
Speaker 9 (45:46):
I'm not saying they will, but the level of desperation
I've seen this year tells me if they fail again,
we need to be ready for anything in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Great to talk to you, is always great work you
and Pablo, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Mike take it in about it, Mike Floria
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio last night.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
A couple of surprises, But really this is kind of
the let's reintroduce or maybe introduce you to some of
the players who might be playing some minutes in the
NBA next season. I'm going to throw out a couple
of names and then you tell me if you can
guess where I'm going and maybe even recognize them. If
(00:26):
I said Bub Carrington or I said Jalen Wells, Eve's Missy, where.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Are we going?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm talking about NBA players who were rookies last year.
Bub Carrington played the most minutes of any rookie last year.
He was drafted fourteenth by the Wizards. Jalen Wells second
most minutes. He was drafted thirty ninth by the Grizzlies.
Eves Missy, who played for the Pelicans, drafted twenty first.
(01:00):
He was fourth on the list. Stefan Castle third on
the list. He was drafted fourth overall by the Spurs.
So what am I getting at? You can be drafted high,
you can be drafted in the lottery. That doesn't mean
you're going to have those kind of minutes. I think
we feel like, you know, the old days. When you're
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drafted in the first ten picks fifteen picks, you're playing
right away.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Reed.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Shephard did not play for the Rockets last year, and
I played five hundred minutes, but he was a G
League player.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
He was the third pick.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Overall, you're drafting players and it's almost like you're drafting
them they're going to be on your roster, but it's
not like it's sort of like baseball where they draft
and then you disappear for a couple of years and
then you come back. You know, you go to the
minor leagues. These players are kind of there or maybe
in the G League and then they might contribute. Now,
(01:58):
do I think Dylan Harper is going to play a
significant minutes for the Spurs?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Is Cooper Flagg going to play significant minutes for the
Dallas Mavericks?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I do Ace Bailey.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In Utah vj Edgecombe. I don't know how much he's
gonna play for the seventy six ers. They already have
their guards there. So you're trying to figure this out
of Okay, you drafted a guy, what's that mean for
our team right away? How many of these guys will
have a true impact? And you're gonna have some projects here,
(02:31):
and you might have a guy who plays for a
team who then gets traded and then becomes something in.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Two or three or four years.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Because you're drafting eighteen year olds nineteen year olds in
college baseball, they're at least twenty two to twenty three,
so it's different. But it'd be like taking an eighteen
year old high school phenom in baseball. You're not going
to the majors, he's going to the miners. Well, you're
gonna get guys who are gonna play sparingly with a
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lot of these first round picks, if they even make
the team. If I said to Monty Kamara, he led
in minutes the previous year for the Portland Trailblazers Kyante George,
he had the second most minutes in the previous draft.
He was sixth sixteenth overall. So there's no sure things.
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I mean, do I expect Ace Bailey to be a
good player, I guess, But the situation you're in really
dictates how quickly you become successful. If you go to
a bad roster, a bad organization, it's already an uphill
battle you're going in. You're going to be a rookie.
(03:46):
You're just trying to survive. Now you're on a team
with a bunch of knuckleheads, and you've got to you know,
the history is systemic of how bad you are, and
there's a reason why those organizations stay bad.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They're not relevant.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Danny Ainge didn't care that Ace Bailey didn't want to
go to Utah. Danny Inge said, all right, we'll take you.
You don't want to go to Philly or Charlotte. He
didn't want to go to Utah. He wanted to go
to Brooklyn, and he wanted to go to Washington because
he wants to be a star right away. I want
my shots. I want to play right away. If I
go to Charlotte and LaMelo ball is going to be dominating,
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you know, he's ball dominant there. Doesn't want to go
to the Sixers. Okay, they're kind of a mess. Didn't
want to go to Utah, and Danny Ainge said, that's
all right, but I'm still going.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
To take you. And got a lot of talent.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But I don't know if I don't know if this
strategy worked that he didn't want to work out for
certain teams, didn't want to go to Charlotte didn't want
to go to.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
The seventy six ers.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
He's he's too.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Talented to have dropped too far, And I think he
was hoping that he was going to drop maybe a
couple more picks, at least one more pick. He wanted
to go to the Pelickins. So the strategy didn't work.
You ended up in Utah. But Dallas did well, obviously
getting Cooper Flag. Who can now ease in two minutes
(05:14):
if you played for another organization, You're like, all right,
we're coming out to see Cooper Flag. Well, you're going
to go out and see the Mavericks. With Cooper Flag,
there's a big difference. And we're going to go see
Cooper Flag and the nets, and I think the expectation
level will be very beneficial. Carmelo Anthony, former number one
overall pick now, an analyst for NBC with their NBA coverage,
(05:37):
had this to say about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
To me, he doesn't do anything great. He just do
a lot of very good. You know what I'm saying.
He offensive rebound very good. He in the passing lanes
very good. He's a weak side defender, very good on
ball defender.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
He got a lot better.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I want to see him against you.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I want to see him against Kady, I want to
see him against Luca. I want to see him against
ann Elwids because you coming in as that guy. If
he gota develop the right way, he got to get
a skill set. You can't be into pros and don't
have a skill set. So you have to have a
skill set, like your skill set have to be something
a wonderb full of, like something floater like.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
You have to have.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Something that's your go to right now, he don't have
a go to.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's Carmelo on Podcast P with Paul George discussing.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, I disagree with him of you know, what's
his bag? You can be a really good all around player.
There's value in that. They're looking at this from an
offensive perspective, so it's a myopic view of he's got
to have a signature move. Well, he's eighteen, and I
think his signature move is he doesn't have a signature move.
(06:50):
He's got a variety of things. He's not going to
be one dimensional. And look, Carmelo was incredible, but he
didn't really have much of a move. It was just
that jab step, but he was gonna nail it. He's
going to kill you mid range. But Carmelo was not
the all around player that Cooper Flag is. So there's
a difference in that. It's the value in that. But
(07:10):
Cooper Flag has an opportunity to learn. He can learn
from Kyrie, he can learn from Ad, he can learn
from Jason Kidd. If Jason Kidd still wants to be
the coach. Feels like that didn't go away yet. There
was a report yesterday that either the Knicks and Jason
Kidd are still holding out hope. But Nico Harrison, by
(07:33):
the way, you can't write a script for Nico Harrison
where you go, hey, listen to this pitch, Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
This guy he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Going to trade a franchise player, death threats. He can't
even go to games or they bow him. And you know,
the team had all kinds of injuries. You kind of
limped literally into the playoffs, and then all of a sudden,
long odds you win the lottery and then.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You get Coop for Flag.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
That's what happened.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So I guess the Mavericks had a good year.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Would you say, all the backlash you had, all the injuries,
Kyrie's going to be out for half the year. Probably
you get ad and you got bailed out, the ultimate
bailout probably in NBA history, where it's like, oh my god,
(08:29):
what did we do?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now we still do it again.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He didn't play any defense, and then you end up
with Cooper Flag. But watching last night, you know, it's
fun to see some of these names that you saw
kind of a you know, six months there were eighteen
freshmen drafted. This really was an introduction to rookie class
one oh one last night, and this bj Edgecombe. I
(08:55):
watched him.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I really liked him at Baylor.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't know what he's going to do in the NBA.
I don't know what any of the you know, con Canipple,
I don't know. I mean at Duke, all right, you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Can look a like a top five pick. I guess
at Duke.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
He's a really good shooter, but he is a you know,
stand still shooter. I don't know how much he's creating.
You're going to play in Charlotte, which good luck, Good Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Me he got some minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Probably I'm gonna gas, so I don't you know, you're
trying to figure any of this stuff out. Good luck,
because you're dealing mostly with freshman Dylan Harper. Not a
great shooter, but he can handle the ball well. San
Antonio's got the rookie of the year Stefan Castle and
dearon Fox. I'm gonna guess somebody is probably headed out
(09:50):
of town? Could San Antonio? Who missed out on And
I don't have any information on this. This is just
me watching the TV last night in between getting yelled
at by steven A.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Smith.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Not directly, it just felt like it was like, I
got to turn down. Can you have a volume when
steven A is on that I could just turn it
down just a little bit and then it's kind of
an auto adjust there.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You know it's steven A. Smith.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Don't they have the SAP or whatever? That is just
this will be the essays, Yeah, the essays where it's
like because he started yelling and I'm like, who is he?
Why are we yelling? And I think at one point
somebody said this, Bob Myers might have said, hey, this
is supposed to be a good night, a positive night.
I am positive. Slow down, slow down.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know who came up with that idea of
the louder you yelled, the more often you're gonna win
your argument.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Casparis jocket Tunis can't play. I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Where I was before I get a lot of eighteen
year olds drafted.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, it's the worst thing you could be in basketball,
a graduating senior for your senior.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, okay, Danny Wolf played at Yale and then went
to Michigan. Now, Marvin loved Danny Wolf.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Love his game, big fan.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But I don't know if he was a senior.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
He was a junior at Michigan. Okay, I don't know
if there was a senior taken last night. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's the worst thing to be is a US born
senior going into the draft. If your senior year, it's like, hey,
maybe second round, late second round.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yes, the only thing worse would be a fifth year
senior the Armando Baycott syndrome, as we like to call
it here, played five years at North Carolina, just played
great basketball and couldn't get in.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, I misspoke with Mellow. Mellow's thorough all pick not
number one.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Pick, reminding Detroit fans about that.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes, that's true. Yeah you should have left that out. Yes,
all right, So play of the day is coming up.
Thank you for setting me straight on that with carmelon.
All right, So stat of the Day brought to you
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(12:25):
of Danny Wolf, I don't know if he was happy
to go there or maybe got happier that his name
was called. But he was just kind of sitting there
and then all of a sudden they called his name.
But Brooklyn Nets. They drafted four guards, three point guards,
and they drafted Danny Wolf, who was a point center.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
He was crying Wolf.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Oh wow, I go dang.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That's fine.
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Speaker 2 (13:38):
We analyze the draft, and we analyze it in our way,
not necessarily the way most people do or should. But
we were troubled by the hats that the players are wearing.
They don't fit. Also, if you get traded, and some
people pointing out Scott Van Pelt brought this up last
night on his Sports Center show, so shout out to SVP.
(14:00):
But we thought about maybe a sash or a visor,
or maybe a chain that you could wear, and then
you could exchange that if you had to, so it'd
be a little bit more of a smoother transition. I'm
thinking about marketing, you know, I'm all about marketing here.
Its product placement is what it is. But I'm watching
(14:21):
and this is the moment. Okay, granted you're eighteen years
of age and nineteen years of age, but still it's
the moment that you thought of dreamed of, your chance.
You're getting drafted. Next thing you know you're taking off
your Orlando hat and putting a Cleveland hat on, not
exactly how you scripted it, Like, Hey, this is that
dream moment that I've always thought of where I get
(14:43):
to exchange hats with throw out somebody's name, Asa Newle,
Derek Queen here, and I know that you know the
NBA is trying to push product on us, but this
is how about we wait until after the first round
(15:05):
and everybody can put their hats on. Okay, maybe we
get a group photo picture day and everybody's got their
hats on, so we can do the marketing without the
silly put that hat on right now, it doesn't fit,
it doesn't matter, just put it on, Yes, Dylan, what
if a business.
Speaker 10 (15:21):
Idea they make like a Swiss army knife hat where
you can kind of just spin pieces around and get
a different logo and colors will workshop.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Then Dylan's in for Seaton Minister of Humors Here, Fritzy
Marv Pauli, Yours truly Stat of the Day is always
brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards
of the Dan Patrick Show. I didn't even answer the
question last hour because we were talking about mythological figures.
We're talking about Will Chamberlain with his numbers and Babe
Ruth with his numbers. Muhammad Ali Marvin brought up Michael Jordan,
(15:55):
you know, a mythological figure, but he did everything right
in front of us. Ruth was word of mouth. Bo Jackson.
We were able to see him with the Royals, also
with the Raiders. Alie, you got to see the big fights,
not all of his fights, but yeah, I get that.
There was a even Mike Tyson when he first started out,
(16:15):
there was this oh my god, who is this guy?
And then all of a sudden you saw him and
then you realize, kid dynamite was here to stay. That
was the Sports Illustrated cover in nineteen eighty six. But
I mentioned that we get caught up in Bo Jackson
his NFL career and was he wonderful. Yes, in a
brief whatever window. That was just like baseball, he tantelized.
(16:40):
He teased us, It's like, oh my gosh, this is different.
That speed, that power, that arm in baseball, that speed,
that power in the NFL, and it was just incomplete.
And then you know, I said, you know, Bo is
a great running back, but I believe Jim Harty Ball,
(17:01):
the quarterback, had more rushing yards than Bo Jackson. And
all of a sudden, I can see the Danets heads.
They're exploding. They're like, no, not Jim Harball. Yes, because
Jim Harball played a long time in the NFL, and
I think he has a few more yards than Bo
Jackson career wise.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, my computer was shut down when I try to
search this because I didn't believe this was an actual topic.
Bo Jackson had twenty seven hundred and eighty two rushing yards.
Jim Harbaugh had twenty seven hundred and eighty seven rushing yards.
Five more bonus coverage. Bo Jackson sixteen rushing touchdowns in
his career, Jim Harbaugh eighteen.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Stand of a day, Stand of a day, stantata day,
scant of a day.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This is the stule.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of the day, drawn to you by BANDI America. And
haven't both of these great runners had hip surgery? Bo did,
and I think Jim Harball just had hip surgery. You
know it happens to the great running runners of all time.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, Paul, to be fair, I checked Bo Jackson's zero
career passing years.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, Yeah, unfortunately, mm hmm. Better player, Harball or Bo Jackson.
That old topic.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So I don't know if it went as scripted last
night because of Ace Bailey that there were teams he
didn't want to go to, didn't want to work out for.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Which I have no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I you know, the problem I'd have is if he said, Hey,
I'm going to go to Philadelphia work out, then all
of a sudden he doesn't work out. If he says
or his agent says, he doesn't want to go there,
doesn't want to go to Charlotte, he would like to
go to Washington or Brooklyn. Well, Danny Ainge is like,
I don't care. I'm taking the best player available. I'm
taking you. I don't think he wanted to go to Utah.
(18:50):
He didn't seem too thrilled. Who is the kid who's
going to Toronto? Because he was not thrilled at all.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
What's his name? Colin something Something.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Colin Murray Boyle's.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
When they said, you know, and the Toronto Raptors select
and then he might have had a one word response there, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
He shook his head at first.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't know if it's I think he was upset.
I think his girlfriend was upset as well, by the
way he won the lottery last night. He was in
the lottery and yes he did, Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
She plays in South Carolina, right she does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't think she was happy either that Toronto here
we come. Hey, get to Toronto. I love that city.
I loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yes, yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think Toronto
would get that type of reaction, like I don't want
to go to this beautiful international city.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, but travel wise, you know, customs and passport, not
flying coach, I know, but you know I have global entry.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Oh I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, what is that clear thing? I don't you can
just I can walk anywhere. Really with global entry, it
feels like I might be a copilot.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Okay, what are the rankings?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Ts?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
TSA pre check?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah? TSA pre check is level one? Clear is level two?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And what do you have? I have a clear and
global entry? Yeah, I'm not joking around.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's the highest of it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Global entry is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Global entry is awesome. That's just where you go up
to one of those screens and then they look at
you and they do the facial recognition that's like, boom,
you're through.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Let's just sit in the cockpit if you want.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I think there's a chance I could be a
copilot if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But yeah, do you guys have global entry?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
No, I just had the TSA pre check.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Okay, same, Yeah, I'm a clear guy. Yeah. Clear is
good too.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
At the same thing, you know, you see the people
with the checkered shirts, and then they are they fast
track you to the front of the line.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, it's well, you just have to get
your fingerprint. Yes, I got through fine, so it's nice. Yeah,
you just cut the line. You can use it actually
at like events too, like city field, you can use
clear to cut the line to get in.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh, it's a bonus.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, you have a global entry. Two thumbs up. Now
I had to. It takes a little bit of work
to get a global entry, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yes, hun.
Speaker 11 (21:34):
They also have unclear, which is a super But they
look at you like kind of fuzzy, like maybe it's
gonna be a little while. Let me talk to my manager,
then me eventually look at there.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
All right, I'll give you a blue, okay, give you
a blue.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Fifty bucks it's worth it.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
Just another ten to fifteen minutes of waiting.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh yes, I have unclear.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Okay, come on in, all right, So Dylan's in for
seat and he'll do the pole question.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
What's the hour two pole question? And let's clean up
hour one?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
All right, Dan?
Speaker 10 (22:00):
So the results from our one, still cruising at fifty
two percent, is Cooper Flag's NBA career will meet expectations
for our two. Who is the most mythical athlete ever?
Babe Ruth Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, bo Jackson or other.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yes, I don't think Michael is mythological. Definitely not for
our generation because we saw him nightly. I would throw
Pete Marovitch in there, one of your favorite players, because
his best work was done at LSU and there's very
little video, and guys of my age and I'm not young,
didn't see any of it. To me, that's mythological.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean he's averaging forty four forty five a game.
I mean we talked about will average in fifty in
the NBA. I would say for a generation that didn't
see Michael Jordan, I could understand the mythological feel. If
you're in your twenties, then you probably go, man, I
got to see some highlights here. But there's so much
(22:58):
more available to Michael Jordan's career than a lot of
these other players, like Wilt you know, some of the
greats of the Oscar Robertson. Most people saw Oscar when
he played for Milwaukee when he wasn't Oscar Robertson. He
was just a great point guard. But that was Kareem's team,
and that wasn't a great team.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You want to talk.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
About what Lebron did with the Cabs and taking them
to the NBA Finals, Kareem with that Milwaukee team, that
wasn't a great team. I mean, if you look at
that roster, you know they I don't think there was
anybody close to being a Hall of Famer on there.
Bobby Dandridge was on there, but you know, John McLaughlin,
(23:44):
I'd have to look or reminiscent about that. Lucius Harris
might have been on that team too, Yes, Marvin Bobby
Danger's Hall of Famer, Okay, but yeah, that roster was
on a great roster and they didn't have a legionary coach.
Larry Costello was the coach.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
For that team.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
But yeah, you know when you have Luel sindor a coach,
it helps.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, there's what time practices.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's like they interviewed the Montverde coach last night and
he you would have thought he was John Wooden. You know,
he's talking about all these great players that he's had.
I mean, it's a prep school, and you know they
keep saying this could be the greatest high school team
of all time. Well, you're trying to get the best
players to go there. It's not like it's a local
(24:35):
high school team.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
They didn't play together in eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
No, no, no, So when we go greatest, you know
O Kill used to do this back in the day. Man,
this could be the best high school team ever. It's
a training academy. I like to think the best high
school team of all time is players who are from
the area who went to the high school there, not
Mont Verde.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yes, yes, I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Not smirching Mont Verdi's academics because it might be a
great school. But I've met the Cooper flag was late
to a class. He's not sitting in detention for an
hour like a normal public high school.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
After Yeah, yes, Dylan, Well that's like IMG Academy in Florida.
They're like they just beat everyone by a hundred points,
and like they I think they sold the school for
like a billion dollars because it's just like a training factor.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yes, yes, So when we talk about great high school
teams of all time, let's put it in perspective. Are
you from the area around the high school? That's where
I would start. I remember what was it Calvert Calvert
Hall in Baltimore. Uh, that was a they were a powerhouse.
I mean there's been great, great teams, Uh, Eastern High
(25:45):
and d C. I mean there go down the Ourbon day.
I remember that back back at Jamatha was great. Morgan Wooten, Yeah, PAULI, But.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Like mont Verde, mont Verdi is not like a normal
high school where the JV is a bunch of guys
like me, you know, the JV squad. It is probably
a second team all Americans.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
We'll get to your phone calls coming up, EH seven
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Speaker 3 (26:12):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
If you're watching on peacock, thank you for downloading the
Let's see Jim in Michigan, Hi Jim, what's on your
mind today.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
Hey, hey Dan, I would say, first, non Dan had
to get gonged last week, and I have two more
questions about the gong, and again I won't call back.
This will be my last two. Who has the succession
of the gong if you're like on vacation or you're
out for the day, or I'm the on vacation, nobody
who okay? And the other one. Can anybody else call
(26:43):
for the gong other than yourself?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yes, you can call for it. I mean, I take
request here, Jim.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
Okay, now, okay, that's what I wanted to get the
rule book on the gong. And he says, I was
the first Non Dan answer.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Just gong Jim again, a two time gonger. Gunga gunga
gonga gunga.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, Fritz, She's like, you know, you haven't used the
gong on me in a while, and I go, give
me reason, and I will.
Speaker 11 (27:16):
It's weird. I crave positive and negative the gong.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You were just not a good thing to I told him.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I said, hey, there's been a lot of positivity and
then you go, I know, but you know, sometimes it's
okay if you recognize something I did wrong, I.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Said, Okay, that's that whole ug. You just want to
be talked about.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Isn't that said?
Speaker 11 (27:37):
You would like why why? Why would someone need that?
How much attention do you need?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I've been trying to figure this out for over twenty years.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Go about your business.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
If people want to talk about it, great, but don't like,
look forward or encourage it's not necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Alrighty uh do you have the pole? So we have
the poll question for hour two, right, dylly?
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Yep?
Speaker 10 (27:55):
Who's the most mythical athlete of all time? I only
had four slots, so it's Babe Ruth, Wilt, Jordan or.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Other So Bo, Babe Wilt, Babe Wilt, and Jordan.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
Unless we're ruling out Jordan from that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, you know, a different generation who didn't see him
on a nightly basis. Bo Jackson probably more so because
you know, he played in Kansas City, played for the Raiders,
but didn't play a long time for either He could
have been a Hall of Famer in either sport if
he had picked either sport. But the whole and I
(28:36):
always thought there was a little tension between him and
Dion because Bo may have looked at Dion as, oh,
you're doing this because of me. But Dion did it
at a very high level in baseball, and I don't
know how much longer he played than Bo, but you know,
the whole helicopter thing, and I don't know, it felt
like Bo did this. And then even when Bou was
(29:00):
running one time when Florida State played Auburn, and Dion
talks about, now I'm as fast, but he wasn't Bo
Jackson fast. And he talked about when Bo put his
hand on his helmet almost as if you know he's
it's in church where they put their hands on your
head and then bless you and put him put him
down on the ground. When Dion tells that story, he's
(29:23):
so animated.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Do you have that, Marvin? Okay, here's Dion.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
When I played for Florida State as a freshman. True story.
Bou was at Alburn back in the back to Brent
full Ward. Probably the best hand of the running backs
I've ever seen in college. These guys are unbelievable, and
you know, you know, you heard of bow Jacks, so
you're kind of in awe as a young collegiate. I'm
seventeen years old playing Florida State eight eighteen at the time,
just during eighteen, Bo goes behind the huddle in alburn
(29:50):
It throws his hands up as if he was sick.
Designed the crowd to get it up. They start cheering
and appalliting, and I was playing left corner. BO got
a sweep to his left away from me and hit it.
I mean hit it, and he was gone. I came
out of nowhere because that was I could fly, came
(30:11):
and got him, ran up on him like it was
no other. With his right arm, he extended it, placed
it on my helmet like as if he was praying
for me, palming my helmet and stiffed me down and
kept going into the end zone like I wasn't even there.
That was my bow Jackson moment.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I could fly and he hit it. Yeah, Paul, you could.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Find this clip on YouTube and it's exactly like he said.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio wap UH.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
There's always a crowd around Mike Floria because he's really popular.
He is a football insider. I hope to graduate one
day to be.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
A football insider.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do you guys like a newsletter like you stay in
touch with Glazier and Chefty and are their dues, you know,
like tight End University, the NFL insider you and Rapaport.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
Well, I think the reality is if there was a
club of insiders, I'd be the outsider.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's true. Can the NFL Draft get any bigger?
Speaker 9 (31:21):
No? No, but it will. They just stumble into things.
It's amazing the NFL's business model just kind of float along,
and when something happens it looks like adversity, it turns
into a positive. The reason the draft became this traveling
road show with hundreds of thousands of people is because
they had a conflict in twenty fifteen at Radio City
(31:43):
Music Hall because there was an Easter spectacular that conflicted
with the preferred day of the draft. So the NFL said, well,
we got to go somewhere else. Let's go to Chicago. Hey,
that was pretty good. Let's go back to Chicago. Hey,
let's go somewhere else. Let's go to Philly. And that
was the moment that shot. I still remember it, the
shot of a thousand the people by the library there,
It's like, oh man, the draft is different now and
(32:04):
it's going to keep growing and growing, but relative to
everything else, it can't get much bigger.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
It can't. And it's amazing.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Because they could do it by a group text if
they wanted to.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Well, it's like Coachella.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's a music festival for the NFL, and it's Pittsburgh
next year. I don't know did they decide on the
following year d d Okay.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
National Mall, but they are dan.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
There was some reporting, I think from Sports Business Journal
they're trying to find more stuff they can drop. Tuesday, Wednesday,
the fourth Draft Sunday extend it, have more reasons to
have more people show up beyond Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
We got a couple of teams with some stadium deals.
It feels like, you know, Cleveland, I guess going to
be moving out of downtown. Washington wants to move back
into downtown. The Bears are they moving out? Like what's
going on with these teams and stadiums.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Well, you've got the Browns that look to be moving
to suburban brook Park. They're putting the pieces in place
to make that happen. The Bengals have a deal to
State put at pay Course Stadium in Cincinnati. Reportedly until
the middle of the next next decade with the Bears
and also with Washington. You know, this was presented when
the deal was done with great fanfare. There's the commissioner,
(33:28):
there's owner Josh Harris, there's the mayor of d C.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
We have a deal. We have a deal. Well wait
a minute, we don't have a deal because the DC
Council has to approve it.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
And I think it's getting harder and harder Dan, to
get the kind of public money that you need to
build these stadiums, because I'd say the appetite of the
average taxpayer is why why are you using public money
when these franchises are worth more and more all the
time ten billion minimum after the Lakers recent sale that
(34:00):
had evaluation of the franchise at ten billion. So pay
for it yourself. And I was making that point earlier
this week because Josh Shapiro, the Pennsylvania Governor, said some
things that initially were misinterpreted by the ap But ultimately
the message is we're not going to be given out
a ton of public money here at some point, pay
for it yourself. You know, Dan, when you go to
(34:20):
the grocery store, the grocery store is there for the
benefit of the public, right, we all.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Going to buy our groceries.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
I never hear stories about the government giving the grocery
store chains millions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
To build their stores. And that's what a football stadium is.
It's a big store that they lure thousands.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Of people too. Why is it something that the public
has to pay for? The people putting on the show
are the ones that should be expected to pay for.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
He's Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host that
show Precedes Hours with Chris Sims and his book's Father
of Mine, Son of Mine, available in ebook form on
Amazon for only ninety nine cents. The collusion story that
you in Pablo Tore colluded on to talk about the collusion,
(35:06):
how did okay, let's do it for the fan?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Does the fan? Should the fan care about this?
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Well, the fan doesn't care about it because I think
one of the problems is the fan just assumes that
that's how business is done. They assume the NFL is
one giant company and the teams are thirty two branches
and they coordinate and collude all the time. The problem
is that they are thirty two separate businesses. They shouldn't
be colluding, conspiring, coordinating on anything that doesn't fall within one.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Of their anti trust exemptions.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
They've got a broadcast anti trust exemption, and they've got
an anti trust exemption to.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Deal with their union generally, not with the players individually.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
And I think the question is, and I just got
to text a little bit ago that is going to
spark another story at PFT, how widespread is this collusive
activity that we finally have found evidence of. Even though
the NFL won the grievance they were caught with their
hand in the collusion cookie jar, how else are they
doing it? For example, are they doing it with coaches?
(36:09):
I believe they are. I've believed for years that they
collude when it comes to coaches to hold down what
coaches made. There's no salary cap, right, but there's also
no salary floor. They collude, I believe, on all sorts
of things because they operate as one company.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Even though they're supposed to be competing. And the point
I made, and I don't.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
Know if you've talked about the text messages between Dean
Spanos and Michael Bidwell. Spanos congratulates Bidwell on getting Cardinal's
quarterback Kyler Murray signed to a contract that wasn't fully guaranteed,
and Spano says, this helps with our quarterback. You know
the point I've been making, Dan does the CEO of
PEPSI call up the CEO of Coke and say congratulations
on getting your director of research signed to this contract
(36:50):
because now we can use the same term.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
So no, they're in competition.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
But I think because the average fan just assumes there's
a certain amount of arm locking, they don't care.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
But they should care.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
They should care because it's an example of how business
gets done in ways that it shouldn't get done.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Any fallout from this, like what's next, Well, it all depends.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Upon I believe what the players do.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Now.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
Will the players who are in charge of the union
push back against union management which hid this thing for
five and a half months, that's the biggest part of this.
Then the players union through that ruling on January fifteen.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
January fourteen, excuse me of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
They acquired a hammer that they could use against the
NFL in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
And what did they do.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
They stuck it in a drawer and locked it for
five and a half months until Pablo finally got it,
and I credited him forgetting it because I tried every
way I possibly could, and I'm gonna take some credit
because I kept banging and banging and banging to get
people to understand this thing's out there and it's important
and somebody needs to get it, especially because they were
hiding it. I understand why the league hit it, because
(38:02):
the league looks bad. I don't understand why the Union
hit it. And it all comes down to whether or
not the players who are in leadership positions at the
Union insist on more and whether they take this thing
now and finally do use it as a hammer and
find other ways to push and pressure the NFL to
(38:22):
get a better overall deal for the players.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I know that we've talked a lot, You've talked a lot.
Everybody's talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers,
and I feel like we don't separate Rogers the football
player from Rogers the person and his opinions, and he
can be polarizing. I just want to know the football
part of this with Aaron Rodgers, I know, with his age,
(38:47):
but with that team, I know he says that this
is it a one year deal? But what are your
expectations for this team?
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Well, first of all, when he said the other day,
he's pretty sure this is it. Is that really anything
that we didn't already believe? Yeah, we're all pretty sure
this is it. He's in his early forties, he's had injuries,
he's been banged up.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
His mobility isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 9 (39:10):
But what I think, Dan, when you look at Rogers,
the quarterback, the thrower, the arm is still there. And
if he can resist his temptation to try to run
like he used to, because I think that's how he's
going to get himself hurt.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
He's got to adopt the.
Speaker 9 (39:26):
Tom Brady late career mindset of the moment, I feel
the walls closing in, I'm getting rid of the ball.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Now.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
For Rogers, who regards his touchdown to interception ratio as
the thing that makes him the best of all time,
he might not be as inclined as Brady was to
just throw the ball up into the air. And we
saw Brady do it over and over again. He did
it multiple times in the NFC Championship game that the
Buccaneers eventually won over Rogers and the Packers when in doubt,
get rid of it if it gets picked off, So what,
(39:56):
at least I didn't get blown up.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
That's the key.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
Rogers has to prioritize not getting hit. He's got to
get rid of the ball. He's got to get the
ball down the field and he can't try to run
with it.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
He's got to play like he did. Remember the year
that he had.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
The calf injury and he stayed in the middle of
the pocket. He's got to play like he's got that
calf injury, because if he starts getting hit, he will
have a calf injury and a knee injury, and a
hip injury, and rib injuries and a shoulder injury. Because
these guys literally are half his age that are chasing
him around.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, who came up with the you know, he's the
best thrower of the football of all time? Okay, but
because if somebody said somebody is, he's the most athletic
basketball player I've ever seen, or he throws the ball
harder than any pitcher ever. My first my follow up
(40:44):
question or first question would be, well, was he successful?
So you have the best greatest thrower of the football.
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Well, what it means is and I read the O'Connor
biography last year. You know when you walk out onto
a field and you're standing there and you hear a
sound and you don't know what the hell the sound is,
and you realize it's the sound that the ball makes
when Aaron Rodgers throws it, that few others can make.
That's what makes him the great thrower. And I defer
(41:17):
to Chris Simms on this stuff. He's lived in and
around it his whole life. He was an NFL quarterback,
his dad was an NFL quarterback. And when he raised
about Rogers being the greatest he's ever seen, and the
problem is, yeah, you went to one super Bowl. And
there's a hell of a story to be told one
of these days on why the Packers failed to ever
(41:40):
go back to another Super Bowl. They had it against
the Seahawks in the twenty fourteen NFC Championship and through
you know, an unprecedented This had to go wrong, This
had to go wrong, This had to go wrong, This
had to go wrong. They would have gone back and
they would have played the Patriots that year. But how
can Rodgers have only been to one Super Bowl? In
his entire career when you consider just how effortless, and
(42:02):
it's like it's a lot of Patrick Mahomes, it's some
John Elway. Just an arm that is rare and special,
and I think that's what set him apart. But one
Super Bowl appearance and a couple of bad years with
the Jets, and I think he's just looking for something
to end his career that will make people forget about
his time in New York.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well, he's not the best quarterback of all time, but
it feels like we want to have a designation because
of you know, what he accomplished, But to me, it
leads to the follow up of what he didn't accomplished.
The greatest thrower of the football and then you look
at the losses. You know, regular season stats are incredible.
(42:44):
H what four MVPs, all of those things. I just
it's weird how it's supposed to be a compliment but
it kind of brings about a yeah, but feels like
he underachieved.
Speaker 9 (42:55):
Well, that's right, and that's why I think he gets
sensitive about it and he only wants to say so
much about it.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Let's talk about my touchdown to interception ratio and nothing else.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
Right, and nothing else, because let's not talk about championships,
let's not talk about Super Bowl appearances. And when you
think about the embarrassment of riches the Packers have had
at quarterback since Brett Farv replaced Don Mkowski during a
nineteen ninety two regular season game.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
They go from Farv to Rogers and now Jordan Love.
Speaker 9 (43:22):
We don't know which way it's really going to skew
for him, but all those years of Farv and Rogers
and to have only two super Bowl wins to show
for it, when the Patriots got six with Tom Brady,
Yeah you got two, and there's plenty of teams that
would love to have won. But man, what a disappointment
to have two of the all time greats and only
(43:43):
have two additional championships.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Speaking of Pittsburgh, I don't know if this could be
a package deal of Aaron Rodgers one year and Mike
Tomlin because now they're back into the we're gonna need
a quarterback that once, you know, Rodgers leaves and if
they don't, well, let's say they don't make the playoffs.
Let's say they go out in the first round. I
(44:05):
get some point we can credit Mike Tomlin for being
a Hall of Fame coach. But just like we've done
with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, like after a while, and
John Harball's got the league MVP, you know, as his quarterback.
So I just wonder Mike Tomlin might be getting to
that sweet spot of I can go into TV right
(44:27):
now and make a whole lot more money and have
a lot less headaches and I'm going into the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 9 (44:33):
Hey, Dan, I've lived in around Pittsburgh my whole life,
and the way the Steelers are behaving this offseason is
unlike anything they've ever done. The contract they gave the
Dk Metcalf market value for a guy who's never played
for the team before.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
They have never done that.
Speaker 9 (44:47):
They only get market value to their own players that
they have, that they know, that they trust and they
believe in. They're taking a roll of the dice with
Metcalf and then they assume the position for two plus
months with Aaron Rodgers. And I look, I I fully
believe that Mike Tomlin knew he was getting Aaron Rodgers.
They decided it was less of a distraction if he's
not on the team and not at off season workouts,
(45:08):
then if he's on the team and not at off
season workouts. But still, it feels like a level of
desperation to end what will be a nine year streak.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Of no playoff wins.
Speaker 9 (45:18):
That's the longest the Steelers have gone between postseason wins
since they finally got their first win December twenty three,
nineteen seventy two, in the Immaculate Reception Game. So I
feel like there's a desperation there. And if they fail
to win a playoff game this year, what happens next?
I don't think they'll ever fire Tomlin. Maybe Tomlin will
decide it's time to move on. Maybe the Steelers will decide,
(45:39):
you know what, if there's somebody else out there that
wants to give us multiple first round picks the John
Gruden package for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
Maybe we'll take it.
Speaker 9 (45:46):
I'm not saying they will, but the level of desperation
I've seen this year tells me if they fail again,
we need to be ready for anything in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Great to talk to you, is always great work you
and Pablo, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Mike take it in about it, Mike Floria
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